>> that's an accurate characterization of what our intent is. >> thank you. >> i thank the gentlemen, and i yield four minutes to the gentleman from texas, mr. weber. >> chris, good to see you. i have not seen you since the opening of the plant. you said in your conversation with them that you said it's not true that the administration was waging a war on coal, but let me talk about that fundamental question of the future of coal in america as it relates to the president obama's policies. in the first campaign, the president famously said the objective was to bankrupt anyone that trieded to build a coal fired power plant. the president worked hard he was denying he waged war on coal after he announced he pursues

aggressive climate regulations last month, and in a moment of candor, they said, politically, the white house is hesitant to say they are having a war on coal. on the other hand, a war on coal is exactly what's needed. what is the administration doing? is it much more important nan what they are saying? saying one thing and do another? consider this list of the recent carbon regulations, and they talked about it on new coal power plants, carbon regulations on existing coal power plants, utility mact, m-a-c-t, with compliance costs of $10 billion with a "b," and best available

control technology, rules for greenhouse gas emissions, particular matter of regulations, section 3316b a rule concerning water intake, and the list goes on and on and on, and affluent limit regulations costing between 2 # 00 and 900 million a year, and new epa regional haze requirements, new epa monitoring -- excuse me, mountain top mining rules, department of interior stream buffer zone regulations, and forthcoming o zone regulations projected to be thee most costly regulation in the history of the u.s. government, regulated, and i know it's not your agency, but the epa to cost 90 billion with a b dollars annually. yet, we say the president's administration, with all do respect to my colleague from california, says that the gas market waged a war on coal. that's the free market, the

american entrepreneurs make that war, make that adjustment. consumers respond by buying the products, but it is a fact, my opinion, that this administration has a war on coal. in fact, there's a youtube video out on him where he was campaigning saying under his energy plan, electricity prices would of necessity skyrocket. you say there's a carbon constrained world, but what i just said, the only thing constrained is the american economy anded competitiveness? >> thank you, congressman. there's a lot there. i'll try to comment, i guess, on -- >> you got a lot of time, 28 seconds. >> okay, great. well, last time i saw you, we were down in your district where we were doing a ribbon cutting

for the air products project. that dwsh i mean, we can talk about who said what in an unattributed article, but if you look at what we've actually done, particularly in the department, particularly the research development projects, we are taking actions to ensure coal remains relevant. market forces do what they do, and, certainly, the emergence of natural gas has a big impact on coal, and the technology innovation with shale gas pushed prices down, and we think it's important that as we go forward, that we're making the research, doing the -- putting research in place to ensure that coal does continue to have a role. that means -- >> thank you very much. sorry, the gentleman's time expired. >> i yield back. >> thank you. the chair recognizes the gentleman from texas, the chairman amare tis of the committee. >> thank you, chairman, and

thank you yesterday for your good question and answering of the epa people here. i think you put them in their place properly. i want to touch on climate change research causation that was inquired, i think, mr. smith quickly said, yes, when he thought it was people that caused it, causation. i just, you know, we were told 12 years ago that it was going to be halfway or 12 feet up on the statue of liberty, and it's less than a foot up on the statue of liberty, all kinds of warnings and people coming before us being paid a lot to come here to testify, that scared us to death, and just going to the moon, we're going to go to the moon, but we're not going to the moon until the people can go to the grocery store and on global warming, we

better well be aware that we're not getting any help from anybody hardly in the world on that. we're doing it ourselves. for what little has been done, we don't know whether people caused it or not. we've spent 34-38 billion dollars for the small steps that have been taken. i think when -- before you answer "yes" to something, you ought to know the causation and what it costs taxpayers to get what little we've got there, and i hope the record reflects that. i know you. i've served with ya and admired ya always. i can't remember if you were a republican or a democrat, though, when you were here. >> do i have to say? >> no, you don't have to. i just remember i just remember we worked on the clean air amendment and policy act, and since then, we passed another

landmark energy policy act, and you've seen the development of new technologies, and your position, rather than government man at a times, what are the most effective methods of advancing energy technologies and efficiencies? when we have a president with his mandates and not just a war on coal, but a war on technology. do you have an answer on that? >> people believe to get clean energy sources and energy efficiency into the market place require the combination of policy and making sure that the market can work, so that's why we advocate for flexible policies and incentives so that you can set targets and requirements which you leave to the private sector as much as possible the ability to make choices so that they pick the best technologies that meet your environmental --

>> we have to be aware of it, abreast of it, never forget, and looking at it every day, but we have to be reasonable about what we have to spend with no help from people that ought to be assisting us. have you answered my question? i think you have. i use the rest of the time i have, i have about 37 seconds to go here. i'm a coal -- i'm from texas. i'm a fossil fuels and oil and gas guy, but i've seen coal operation make significant investments and progress in advancement in coal air -- clean air emission controls and employ advanced technologies so i'm heavy on coal, and i think that we really -- this is an important meeting, and thank all of you for your service. i yield back my, five, four, three, two, one, time. [laughter] thank you, madam chairman, thank

you for your good work yesterday. >> thank you very much. [laughter] we made it. the votes have been called on the floor of the house, and everyone was very cooperative so everyone got to participate in this hearing today. we thank the witnesses so much for your valuable testimony and the members for their questions. members of the committee may have additional questions for you, and we will ask you to respond to those in writing. the record will remain open for two weeks for additional comments and written questions from members. we'll look forward to your anxiouses to our questions. there's a letter signed by 23 members of congress including me, and the president, july 22, expressing concern about the implementation of the standards performing greenhouse gas emissions for new and existing

power plants, and, secondly, two charts from the international energy outlook, just released this morning showing the forecast for global coal demand, which is a projected to increase by 39% in the next 20 years. without objection, so ordered. obviously, those charts indicate that the subject of today's hearing is tremendously relevant, and the challenges exist for the technology that you espoused in the technology, and we look forward to your continued work as well as the department of energy's continued work on fossil fuel technologies. the witnesses are excused. with deep gratitude, this hearing is adjourned. [inaudible conversations]

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[inaudible conversations] >> the justice department is trying a different tactic now to challenge state voting laws. the state court threw out a part of the 1965 voting rights law. this morning, "washington journal" talked with a reporter on the issue to see how they bring texas and other places back under the advance approval requirement through a part of the law that was not challenged. >> turning attention to another story in the news. the washes post headline, state voting laws to be challenged, justice responds to supreme court. the author of the story joining us now, a national reporter for the washington post, thank you for talking with us this morning. >> caller: sure, good morning. >> host: tell us what we are hearing from the justice department regarding states' voting rights laws. >> caller: well, this is a bit

of a complicated issue, so let me take you sort of through it. what eric holder, the attorney general and the justice department is doing is a reaction to a supreme court ruling last month in shelby county v. holder from alabama, and the supreme court invalidated a critical section of the 1965 voting rights act, the land marks voting rights act, and what they did, basically, is throw out of the part of the voting rights act, section 4, that determined which states in the country with a history of discrimination had to be granted justice department or court approval before they made any changes in the voting laws. that's called preclearance. it affected southern states like alabama, mississippi, south carolina, virginia, also arizona, alaska, and the largest state that was covered under this was texas. when the supreme court had its ruling last month, they said congress can fix this. congress can come up with a new

formula based on current da to to term what states had to get the preapproval for changes in their voting laws. what eric holder did yesterday is he, you know, he said, we want congress to do this. we want them to make this change, but meanwhile, we can't wait for congress. it's a divided congress to agree on a new formula for voting rights because it's an important issue. we're going to use other parts of the voting rights act, namely sections 2 and 3, to go after states with a history of discrimination. >> host: how hard does the justice department anticipate this will be? what are the next moves, and how much pushback are they going to get? >> it's going to be very difficult because, as i said, under section 4 and sections 5 under preclearance, there was this group of states that automatically, any change in the voting law, they had to come to justice or federal courts, but

now they have to go state by state, go to court to get the states to come for preapproval, and just to show the difficulty, yesterday, the attorney general said they are going to start with texas, the largest state, and they are going to support a lawsuit in texas that was brought by a coalition of democratic legislatures and civil rights group against the state's redistricting plan, which is, you know, they are boundaries, and redistricting maps drawn by the republican legislature, and they -- these groups said these maps undermine the cloud in texas. eric holder is going to the court in the western district of texas and asking the judge there to require texas to submit all voting law changes to the justice department for approval for a 10-year period because of the history of discrimination. this is called bail, and so the states have to bail, and whereas all the states had to

automatically come. >> host: the justice department may also soon sue texas over its voter id law as well as north carolina if that state passes a new measure. will this come back to the supreme court? >> very well could come back to the supreme court. what we saw yesterday was the reaction to this, praised by civil rights groups, but criticized harshly by republicans in texas and capitol hill who say the attorney general is over reaching, and that this is an end run around the supreme court, and governor perry put out a statement saying this is -- this casts unfair ease persians on the state's common sense effort to preserve the integrity of the elections process. there's probably going to be a very contentious legal/political battle, contentious legal battle that will probably lead all the way back to the supreme court, maybe even this coming term. >> host: national reporter for the washington post, thank you so much for joining us. >> caller: sure, thank you for having fee.

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>> my concern is that let's set aside numbers you feel you might or might not be able to safely push out. there are a number, an unknown number, butth president said it's 46, that you can never try. do you honestly think that the people behind me and the people who are impelling the hearing will stop calving for the release of those prisoners because they are now in the united states? >> this soldier, the fear based argument to keep the guantanamo base facility open is hard to understand. it brought to the u.s. for prosecution incarceration for medical treatment, the detainees oppose no stress to the national security. the 86 men who have been cleared for transfer should be transferred. there's lawful dispositions for all law of war detainees as we've done in every conflict. >> this weekend on c-span, the

senate judiciary subcommittee on human rights looks at the implications of closing the gawrn gan bay prison saturday at 10 a.m. eastern. also at ten on c-span2's booktv, live coverage of the roosevelt reading festival from the fdr presidential library and museum in hyde park, new york. live on c-span3's american history tv, president obama and defense secretary chuck hagel commemorate the 60th anniversary of the korean war, also saturday morning at ten. a look now at the future of u.s. energy production from this morning's "washington journal," this is about 35 minutes. >> this week, our america by the numbers segment looks at energy consumption here in the united states, what we produce, what we use, and we're talking about this because of a new report looking at international energy. our guests are adam, u.s. energy

information administration administrator. thank you so much for being here, sir. >> good morning. >> host: joined by frank, he's with the center for strategic international studies serving as senior vice president and chair for energy and geopolitics. thanks to you for being here. headline today in the "wall street journal," because of the new report, saying "the u.s. sees a bloom in global energy use. the world uses far more of every type of energy in the coming decades, the u.s. energy department said thursday in a report that predicts china and india drive growing consumption." start off by telling us why we are looking at this. >> guest: it's important to the u.s., priorities, on a number of fronts, the environment, energy security, and the economy since what's going on a global basis, energy consumption, it grows by 10% in our view, out to the year of

2040, but the world's energy consumption is up by more than half over the same period, and so what's happening in the world is important to the united states. >> host: why is it so important to the united states? i mean give us details about how that affects our plans for our energy use, what sort of -- >> guest: well, energy expenditures are one of the highest portions of consumer budgets, consumers in the u.s. are paying relatively high prices for fuels, particularly petroleum right now, despite the fact that electricity bills have stayed relatively low. the impact on consumer budgets of rising oil prices has created concerns, and it's worth understanding the issue that drives that. >> we're talking about the future of energy in the united states. here are the phone lines if you'd like to join the

conversation or if you're in the eastern and central time zones, 202-585-3880. in the mountains, pacific, or further west, 202-585-3881. why is it important to look at u.s. energy consumption and where it's headed? >> guest: so following up adam's appointment, the notion of the u.s. in the context of the globe, it's we're competitors, but we're allies, and you use energy for everything you do. this morning, you know, turn on the lights, make your coffee, electronics, cars for transportation, and it's extremely important, but what we see as released yesterday was a reaffirmation is more of the demand growth is coming from the nonlecd countries. >> host: decode that for us. >> guest: so the emerging economies, if you will; right? in the past 60%, 70% of the demand was met by the developed

world as you would expect, but as population growth and new businesses and energy intensity increases in some of the developing world and the emerging economies, we're actually switching that now, so the big growth centers now are asia, the middle east, latin america, africa, and so these are areas that we have from the data collection side, which adam knows well, the data's not as robust, but impacts because the prices are global. >> host: adam, we see key findings of the international outlook that the consumption is projected to increase 56% by 2040. half of the increase is attributed to china and india, and the u.s. consumption growth by less than 10%. zero in on the u.s. consumption for us. >> guest: well, u.s. consumption, pick up there is going to be in a number of places. we see petroleum use coming down a little bit, but electricity consumption will rise and fueling electricity consumption will be renewables, natural gas,

and nuclear. we believe that coal will actually hold on to most of the market share over our projection period, and so these different fuels will be contributing to the growth with the exception, we think, of petroleum. the reason for that is that automobiles are getting more miles per gallon, and that will allow petroleum and liquid fuels consumption to come down over time despite the fact there's more cars on the road. >> host: put this in in perspective for us. what does it mean when you read the u.s. consumption is growing by less than 10%. >> guest: our efficiency improved. we have a service-type society rather than heavy industry, but now that we have new production sources, oil and gas in the country, we are more competitive as well. there's great opportunities here. >> host: so as we talk about competitiveness and what the u.s. produces, will we will more

or less reliant on foreign resources? >> guest: projection is less reliant. eight years ago, people talked about peek oil, and now it's energy independence, but there's a catch in between, and infrastructure and investment has to happen, regulatory policy, aboveground issues that we talk about. it's exciting, challenges, but the prospects, i think, are terrific. >> look at opec production. this shows us that it's predicted to come mainly from the middle east. that's growth area. why is that significant? >> well, there's three big countries in the middle east that have really big oil reserves. that's saudi arabia, iraq, and iran. they are key members of the opec organization of petroleum exporting countries organization, and the future of oil production and countries

like iraq and iran will drive considerable production coming on to the world markets to meet demand. there might be too much production between those three countries, and they might have to decide how to divide up the market shares. >> look at the graphic, the nonopec supply growth is concentrated in the united states and four other countries. tell us about this. >> well, there are a number of countries that have a big opportunity for oil production growth. brazil, canada, kazakhstan, the united states, and russia. brazil, its oil is coming from what they call the presalt geologic formations. in canada, it's the oil sands. in the western sediment rights act basin of canada. in kazakhstan, it's the typical oil production we've seen

historically around the world, and in russia, it could be a combination of the typical oil sources and oil shale. turns out that russia is one of the biggest countries with the same keep of resources discovered and exploited in places in the u.s. like north dakota and texas. >> host: the united states is predicted to have this growth, here's 2010, here's 2040, the predictions we're seeing from eia. what do you read from that? what are you watching for? frank? >> guest: the production surge in the united states, both on the shale gas side now and oil and shale oil side as well as conventional and offshore production puts us into a better place. we thought u.s. production peaked in 1970, and looking to be risk adverse, demand growing,

resource scarce, and now we flipped that. we have potential, the highest level in 20 years, the number one or two gas producer in the world, a net gas exporter rather than an importer by the end of the decade, a major transformation. >> host: the phones, hearing from the callers, gene joining us from maryland. hi, gene. >> caller: yes, it appears one of the things we might do with the increase the production in natural gas is to use it to produce ethanol as israel is planning to compete against rising prices of gasoline. it's a fact that china, for about eight years now, produced ethanol to use in cars from coal. unfortunately, their process is polluting because it burning coal to drive the process. there is a process in johns hopkins, using a clean coal project, and produces twice as

much ethanol per ton of coal because it gus not burn coal for chemical processes. in any case, will the united states please read the alternative fuel act of 1988 and give this is chance to help us at the fuel pump? >> host: adam? ..

>> likely even here in the united states and coal as you mentioned the number say by 2014 even with progress in this area it will still represent less than 4% of the world's supply. >> host: mr. sieminski sworn in as the u.s. energy information administration

administrator just over one year ago when looking at the energy outlook in 2013 taking all projections one decade respond to the caller's comments. >> i think the search of natural gas production is a great boon to get it hopes of some form into the transportation sector because the price disparity people look at natural gas liquids or coal to gas or a number of different ways to look at the fuel cells. but the differences it to get you more miles per gallon so as you dilute with more ethanol it is cheaper but not on the mile per gallon basis. >> host: and at the center for strategic and international studies, senior vice

president and tear for energy and geopolitics. now looking at the markets, and mr. sieminski? >> this was just published a few months ago and of data of the study from two years ago that looked at shale gas resources. this year's update also looked a and try to understand what was happening with the shale oil resources from the road. so we have concluded is there are eight enormous resources on the oil side of russia and the u.s. and china argued with the major activity underway right now

there is a but if -- a lot of aboveground issues as you might imagine are not resource based matter now belowground. but with those policy and social issues with the land ownership and environmental issues to have the right companies and the skills that. >> host: you can see those that have resources here for north america and alaska and the united states and that peach colored are those without an estimate of resources also. let's go to a new york. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. i appreciate your

information my question is where would the general public find the resources to understand with the atmosphere and the ground coming from coal, nuclear, oil, it can be very complicated and difficult to understand what affects our indirect. so where could we understand and get that information? >> the key for that question. this is a layup for me to go to eia.gov and an enormous amount of material on u.s. and global energy, a history

, statistics, forecast , a current issues and trends. we have quite a bit of information on the use of energy and where it comes from one of the things that we found with the energy outlook and carbon dioxide and issue it -- emissions actually peaked in 2005 and coming down and we have them rising slightly through the forecast never reaching again the peak that was it in the year 2005. is good news because the carbon dioxide and issues -- issues are stand down for many is abolished --

pollution issues associated with that and the fact it seems to be under good management is made quite a bit of hope. >> what does energy intensity mean? >> thinking of efficiency for her unit of work you want to increase productivity without increasing energy. this story is united states has done a pretty good job. with that information technology we can reduce our footprint just to see other emerging economies so we have seen japan be relative so it was start with an

increase if you do that you can increase efficiency around the world. >> the main point of that is to explain what the major drivers are for energy around the world. and gdp is the huge driver. and did in china with forecast with the energy intensity that was highlighted so that total consumption is on the way up of what we see the good news of economic growth with the developing world has a side

effect of higher energy consumption and the side effects of that in the environment and energy security brings us back to the original question. >> host: look at the u.s. performance compared to europe you can see said gdp ignored in the energy intensity with a higher population in green. why is the energy intensity level where it is? we're getting a lot better at automobile fuel efficiency. going more miles on a gallon of gasoline also seeing improvements in holmes holmes, appliances, there is

progress that could be made but that is under way. one of the important things to think of energy and intensity is not just the conservation aspect but what they play structurally in economies that energy intensity it tends to improve what will happen in china and india to slow down this growth that we're seeing with global energy. >> host: the administrator at the west's energy information demonstration our other guest mr. verrastro at the center for strategic and international studies. let's hear from john in south carolina's mr. sieminski --. >> caller: since my a time is short do we have a gas

shortage? >> i don't believe so i think the answer is no. >> caller: do we pump enough gas here in the united states to sustain us? >> i want to make sure you were talking about gasoline and natural gas in fact, we are pumping so much there is an opportunity to export that and i think we will be the net exporter around the year 2020. >> i am talking about gas by cars. >> gas from your car comes from refining crude oil. the reserve space for the crude oil has improved dramatically from shale like the formation i know you

said your time is limited but this is important and in 2005 real importing 60% of all were liquid fuel consumption by 2011 i think that number was down a 40% and it is lower now and likely to continue to move lower and that means the u.s. is importing less and less and i think that is your question. >> both of those is a yes answer some in next thing is if there is no gas shortage jimmy paul b. neff year, why we pay so much per gallon? >> that is the perfect setup with a global market with the supplies available some would say the market is

fully supplied but if you look at syria, iran, iraq syria, iran, iraq, russia, v enezuela there is enough to political risk around the world that still at $107 per barrel. so those refining costs the regulatory activities the distribution to the local gas station. >> i know this does not bring comfort over one year ago oil prices on the global basis was up $120 a barrel. the difference between where prices are now and one year ago is about $20 a barrel that is $0.50 a gallon with gasoline. so prices could be even

higher than they are now and if we could reduce tensions i think prices would come down. >> host:. >> caller: for james from tennessee. imf still. >> we need to get off hour lazy tail into our own thing gas was $0.36 a gallon and stop working with the foreigners. >> host: so rely on our own resources. how realistic is that? >> be u.s. is already the net exporter of coal with

things like gasoline and diesel fuel we think we could be a net exporter of natural gas in five or six years. we are moving in that direction but one of the reasons why do we need to look at the international energy hello? -- outlook? in a trading environment with things have been outside the u.s. impact our supply and pricing, even if we were totally independent of imported oil if something happens in the middle east that will impact the crisis. >> i feel your pain but

while we could draw circles around the united states to make ourselves self-sufficient just think of a hurricane that took out a refinery we will look to you the global market to make that up so it is good to we linked to the international market and enhancing security but we need to be independent as well. >> europe would help out considerably with our gasoline supply. >> host: santa clara california. >> caller: ironically i saw the movie that is in a

lot of america right now. sari. i a nervous. this is the first time i have called. so you got my first point but then why should we do that when there are so many options available? with the possibilities that could power the entire united states. to have large expenditures than why can't we do that for our other needs? thank you. >> host: talk about concerns of tracking in the

environmental safety. >> i think that scale ability looking at the forecast we have seen a rapid rise of solar and wind with renewals and i think that is coming so we need to keep the system i did see gas land part one although it is the quasi documentary the ada is when the person lights the tap water on fire and the fact that those behind that is he drove his water wealth through a post and has nothing to do with tracking or natural gas production and the epa has validated that so sova that is for entertainment

>> it is very important that impact from energy production that this secretary had a policy committee a few years ago to look dash hydraulic fracturing that originally stacked with environmental oriented people. guess what? it could be managed that there were potential problems but what they said to be dealt with effectively one of the things you have to keep in mind that no activity is without risk. all have some type of risk associated with them.

we know that there were cold winds and issues associated with natural gas. end our well-being and the economy in the people's lives it is a trade-off to give the right tools and to continue to manage those things and it can be done spee back and try mississippi we have john. >> caller: i have several points. number one we have one of the largest oil refineries

in our town. when it was disbursed in my grandfather sat in on the meeting there were representatives from the major car manufacturers here at this time when then it was called standard oil the old rockefeller and i feel our car manufacturers of all in bet together because europe has produced vehicles , mercedes-benz, that can get 45 mpg and i know for a fact people have invented carburetors that can help us have a better fuel economy. that is one thing in the other thing to implement in this country power plants to help produce power. we also have a waste problem

and many small-scale waste disposal plants to generate steam that could be used to produce power. >> host: there is a lot of options on the table. let's go to mr. sieminski. >> there is a lot of progress already paid with auto fuel efficiency. with our numbers at the eia the incorporation of a new fuel economy standard with the epa show up in the long-term forecast almost 1. 5 million barrels last per day almost 9 million barrels that is a significant number. there is a lot of efforts with the technology and fuel consumption in making quite

a bit of progress in the electric and hybrid vehicle area also selling vehicles making progress over time. going back to the european comments one thing to keep in mind they have smaller cars and better fuel mileage because the gasoline prices can be eight or $9 there i don't think there are many people in the united states with that price outlook if we had high gasoline prices like that i am sure everyone would come looking for those. and with the fuel economy standards to approach 45 for

47 miles per gallon. so things are getting better here. >> host: also is nuclear how are you can see that including biofuels with the natural gas and removals what are you watching in terms every nobles for the future? >> that is with the power generation and a lot of research going on that you can move them into transportation and beyond but post fukushima and the low natural gas prices even though we have the largest in the world, that still has a lot of potential to overcome i think it is much better now than it was 20

years ago but there were 240 million vehicles in this country so you have to turn over the fleet to see the fuel efficiency. >> to watch a fastest-growing energy in the u.s. with the renewable content with strong growth than natural gas. on the basis each of those going about two 1/2% per year. that is a good clip. nuclear power will grow very strongly in places like china and russia and even in north america. or the u.s.. the eia forecast we will

have a few more nuclear power plants in the year 2014 than we have today and more power coming from existing facilities as well so the combination of the fuel plants plus a better power coming from existing plants will offset the refineries. >> host: we have tweets coming and showing that plastic is a whale it is on every piece of fruit that we buy at the store and another said the most patriotic thing people could do would recycle to decrease energy use to bring your own back to shop. >> good morning into hunting here in the mountain san

turkey hunting once you cross over the ridges you can see the wind turbines in the distance but about two-thirds way of the ridges we have friends that had to build the berm around their house to give the windows and the doors on their house there is an energy source there. and back in 1980 we have a graduation party in the woods that we would use a generator and over the years i have thought about this what about hydraulic tripp been axle on the back of the car to generate energy then in turn charged battery? >> what we're finding one of the most effective ways of substituting gasoline and a

hybrid electric vehicles that recharging is the battery. it is interesting with the wind turbines i think they're actually pretty. i like to see that. and it is a growing energy opportunity in the u.s. for the right to know that federal and sponsored by the department of energy has done a lot of work on where the wind and biomass opportunities are and there is a huge opportunity for wind that starts in texas running its way up oklahoma and the state's right there in that area and we taking advantage of that. >> host: the administrator

information in administration we're also joined by the bp share for geopolitics at the center for strategic. we're out of time. thank you for joining us. >> the treatment of congress strikers at guantanamo compromises the core ethical values of our medical profession. the ama has long endorsed the principle that every competent patient has the right to refuse medical intervention. the world medical association and international red cross have determined for speeding is not only the ethical violation but also by awaits the, and article three of the geneva convention. set aside the numbers you may or may not pushout the unknown number but the

president has said 46 you can never try. deal honestly think the stop asking for the release because now they are in the united states? to keep guantanamo open is hard to understand. this has a incarceration or medical a treatment but we must find lawful dispositions for all detainee's as we have done in every conflict.