underclassmen. i opted to go with penguin classic in paperback so that it would specifically be targeted to that community. and there are teaching guides that go with it and died in the classroom. >> thank you. we'll try to follow up with you. thank you. >> you are so quiet. who disagrees with me? [inaudible] >> oh, come on. [laughter] >> i have a circle of friends are crazy about eleanor roosevelt, try to imagine lots of aspects. >> i'm crazy about her, to. >> in the new show in the museum by posing half of it but i'm delighted by the fact somewhere it says fdr under beautiful. >> yes, she's gorgeous.

i mean, look at this. does this woman look ugly to you? going there and look at our wedding picture. look at her high school portrait. i mean, this woman had strawberry blonde, reddish hair, piercing blue eyes and ugly teeth, okay? and, you know, we do so much in this country to physically disparage people, whether they are female or male, if we don't like them. they've got their debts, they are bald, we don't like their glasses, we don't like their lipstick, we don't like the clothes they wear. i mean, we've got to be able to go back to that old adage of judging a person by the content of their character. eleanor did magazine spreads for

"vogue." i mean, you know, do i hate the hairnet? yes, i hate the hairnet. arthur ground rules for all the pictures i did on eleanor? no hairnet pictures. but that doesn't mean she's ugly. so when i go into the classrooms who don't know her at all, whether they are kindergarten classrooms or third grade classrooms or, you know, inner-city high schools, i say okay, let's get past this. i know as bodie looks at this and they see an ugly dead white woman, and why should i care about her? once you get out there and you talk about what she did, then you get past it. >> my real question, one, did fdr's mother gave him a hard time, never one? he was in college when think

of they begin courting or dating or whatever. and, two, it was pretty wonderful for fdr to be up to see her, i'm not sure if once are as beautiful, but he did. what does that say about him? >> that he was smart. [applause] >> anybody else? [laughter] wait, wait, wait. we've got to share it. okay. >> switching gears. i've read the eleanor was a drive for prohibition, is that correct? >> i'm sorry? >> that she was for the 18th prohibition? >> yes. her father was an alcoholic. he died of alcoholism and addiction to narcotics.

her brother, her beloved brother was an alcoholic. she was not a fan of all. as the daughter of an alcoholic, i get that. does that mean the eleanor wanted, after, the eleanor tried to change fdr's mind on this? no. get eleanor have alcohol served in the white house? yes. as maureen beasley told before anybody else did, her friends -- she was the first person to announce that the white house was going to serve 3.2% beer. so what she is very, and she drank. she loved a good -- sort of scary what you know about people.

she was painfully personally aware of how alcohol could exacerbate human frailty. and so she will write columns later on, you know, moderation and a question and answer columns, should my daughter drink, should my something. she's not saying don't drink. she's just saying be careful, watch what it does, and don't fall in love with a bottle. does that answer your question? [inaudible] >> no. no, no, no. pay, and, yes. >> you mentioned a couple of times the midpoint of going about eleanor roosevelt wasn't perfect so i was wondering if you could elaborate on what you about some of her flaws were. thank you. [laughter]

>> you know, you're supposed to be my friend. there's sometimes when you want somebody that you admire so much who sees it and wants to speak out against something to go ahead and do it. and to say to your husband, the president, i don't care, i'm going to say it anyway. and so the things for me, the two things that are the hardest for me, the first is internment. but it have to be very clear about this -- but i have to be very clear about this. eleanor was unequivocally publicly very, very publicly opposed to internment before fdr

signed the executive order. a day after fdr gives the great day of infamy speech, which was the day after eleanor roosevelt went on the radio to talk to the american people about pearl harbor, it was her voice they heard first. they hear his phenomenal speech the next day. hers wasn't shabby, either. she gets on a plane to fly from washington, d.c. they're going to refill in chicago. she's at laguardia and they're going to go to california. they hear all these rumors saying by the hearst newspapers that there are japanese subs in san francisco bay. so eleanor reroutes the plane and the go to san francisco, and where does she go?

into japanese-american communities. she appears with japanese-americans in major rallies. she goes to tacoma, washington, and says this is no time for-it's. we are all american rally. she talks to justice william o. douglas who was already on the supreme court to get arguments that she can use with attorney general francis biddle and fdr against internment. that she is very publicly opposed to internment. but when fdr signed the executive order, eleanor is silent. however, about 22 months after that, 20 after that there are riots in our games. arizona -- eleanor is in arizona visiting her daughter and harold ickes tells the president that

quote unquote the camps are hemorrhaging to death. and so fdr asks the eleanor to go to camps. she goes to june the river, and she also meets with the man whose name is togo, was one of the organizers of the riots. they have a long conversation. they continue to correspond with each of the some of the correspondence which were destroyed, we only have snippets of it, and she writes a very painful article called in defense of american sportsmanship. and for every argument that she gives for internment she gives one against it. and to conceal profoundly conflicted she is. she fights with fdr to adopt japanese-american families legally.

she has japanese-american penpals in the camps. she sends packages to the camps. she writes, she is correspondence with justice william brennan in california -- william denton in california was a dissenting judge to try to use his decent arguments to fdr. and she doesn't make that publicly. she finally splits with fdr in 44 and comes out against him. but there's that very painful silence, and you can tell how distressed she is because she writes it chills my soul to think of american children behind barbed wire. so you can see. the second thing is, it's hard

to explain but it has to do with, with some internal behind the scenes deliberations about how to get breckenridge long fired. and breckenridge long, was a very old political ally of fdr. played a huge role in his nomination in 1932. and she has developed relationships with what we would, you know, five years later called zionists. and she is appearing in pentecost, especially in communities where there has been violence. and so what she's doing is these camps -- this dance, this dance between using, you know, not a ceiling of the government in

refugee apology, in my day. but she's making it very painfully clear on the ground where she stands. and she has a frank made. that's like a dog tag with her signature on. she has a frank made but she gives it to people in europe who are trying to buy people's freedom. and i just wish she had been more public about that, but that is irrational a leap of the want her to be a demagogue. in a, but that doesn't mean that i'm not disappointed by it. does that make sense? thank you all very much. [applause]

>> [inaudible conversations] >> that concludes our coverage of the 2013 roosevelt reading. >> you're watching the tv on c-span2. but here's the primetime lineup for tonight.

>> here's a look at some books that are being published this week.

look for the sides and bookstores this coming week, and watch for the authors in the near future on booktv and on booktv.org. >> now from the 2013 harlem book fair, a discussion about science and health. this is about an hour and 15 minutes. >> so, our first them, our first panel is titled raise, science and health. or i introduce our moderator, i also want to acknowledge rich who worked with me tirelessly as marcia said in polling these panelists together, discussing and coming up with the idea of what are the conversations that we're in