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some of them relate to illnesses of children. some of them relate to political views. and the answer is generally we're not interested in that, but turned them over. and so there is very little first amendment protection in the employer-employee situation, unless you work for the government, or a government like entity. but if you do, then the world really does change. they are, on the one hand, some limits that have been placed on the rights of government employees on the theory that they are government employees. that is to say, we don't want the government employees to do certain types of work to be involved in politics. we don't want him giving
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political speeches. that's what congress had in the reform effort years and years ago, but at the same time the one thing that's clear is that no government entity is allowed to make decisions about employment or anything like that based on the politics or the political views or the social views of their employees. i mean, that's analogous to the controversy that now raises about the internal revenue service. the internal revenue service has a lot of power and a lot of authority, but there's no argument, you can't even make an argument that they are allowed to take into account the political views of the taxpayers. that's just off the table, and it is indefensible. and so, when something comes up
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of that sort, it is a scandal. but if it came up in the of the context that you raised first, it's just part of life in america. >> ladies and gentlemen, on that note, floyd has kindly agreed to sign his book. again, critics have given it an incredible review, and it's just a breathtaking book. i've read and it's breathtaking. i would strongly urge you to have your book signed by floyd but if you could just remain seated for about 20 seconds. my last question to float, could you tell us if the society for challenge into getting and the supreme court questioning? [laughter] >> certainly much more relaxing. >> actually. on outlook know, ladies and gentlemen, please join me in thanking one of the most brilliant scholars and lawyers that this nation has had that
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has impacted many of our lives on a regular basis. thank you. [applause] >> you are watching tv on c-span2. 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books every weekend. >> up next, booktv's peter slen into his office and one. this weaknesses concludes with military historian antony beevor followed by victorian era expert judith flanders. antony beevor talked about his research and writing on world war ii. he has written 10 nonfiction books. this is about half an hour. >> this is a booktv on c-span2. currently we are in london conducting interviews with british authors and we're joined now by british historian antony beevor. and his written several books on world war ii and related topics but and if we could start with a semi-related topic, professor
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beevor, the spanish civil war, how did that begin? did have a role in the beginning of world war ii? >> it was definitely part what is described as long war of the 20th century, which started in 1970, not anything to making 89 but it's a wonderful debating point for historians but one doesn't want to go too far down that road. it was definitely if you like a former sort of international civil war by proxy, and many people in spain regarded as -- industry much more of a test bed for weapons, particularly to the nazis when you're working out their tactics and particularly or weapons of the loose waffle. and also the soviets using their equipment and weapons. they learned quite a bit as well. >> how did that were begin? >> the war began really, it was a cycle of fear and violence,
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and the spanish republic which was, came to power in 1931 when the king of spain -- in the elections come at the very beginning of 1936 the popular front one and there was such mutual dislike and fear between them and the right. in july 1936 the rising of the generals led by general francisco franco and the civil war which star that particular some of 1936 didn't end until the beginning of 1939. >> who one? >> very much in the right, nationalists under general franco. and helped of course by hitler and by mussolini who sent so-called volunteer troops. there were many more italian should specify the contribution of the drink he was the condo legion from the luftwaffe.
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>> so was spain part of world war ii as well? >> i would not say that it was part of world war ii. despite i think the left in spain certainly seem to regard it as part of world war ii. but franco's role really was to try to stay neutral but you do not want to be involved because spain was so weakened. >> at having beevor, your recent books is the fall of berlin. what was life like in berlin in january-april, may of 1945? >> the prospect of the attack of the red army, they knew very well the soviet union, the soviets of the red army had much to avenge. so everybody was afraid, and not knowing when you're going to come, and suddenly in january this attack started really from
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poland all the way through to within 60 miles of berlin pics of the people there, particularly the women, it was friday. they heard rumors of the mass rapes in east prussia. and they were not surprisingly absolutely terrified. and, in fact, the behavior of the red army that was somewhat appalled but wasn't just in germany. they were also in hungary and even in poland and yugoslavia. the red army was actually particularly out of control. one thinks of dollars started absolute enrichment but, in fact, there was very little control. when i got drunk they simply couldn't be stopped. >> for most of world war ii, was berlin a safe haven for germans? >> it wasn't a safe haven from the point of view of a rich. berlin was one of the chief targets, particularly of royal air force command led by harris
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and his rather controversial strategic bombing offensives. and the americans, the american air force also bombed berlin to slaughter the city had been smashed but because of so spread out you didn't get the concentrations and, therefore, the city survived more intact than one would've imagined. but then when the russians arrived of course you're sick so the armies attacking towards the center. all of them. by the end of course it was pretty will smashed to pieces. spring 1942, what was life like? was their cinema? was their electricity? was the shortest? what was the city life like? >> the city life in berlin was on the whole carry out normal to particularly for those, say, what money or a bubble had context and influence in the nazi party. and of those who were, say
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friends of the leader, so they had a very good life. for the most of the population think this target very to the were just because the nazi regime major that, in fact, the occupied countries who suffered. in fact, hungry was basically exported and the food was taken back from the occupied country. there was a real hunger in the particular but there was certainly shortages, petro above all, and a keating and other things. but real hunger didn't actually start until 1945 until action of the invasion. with a strategically important? >> they did not achieve their objective. that is certain to this is important aspect is that they forced the luftwaffe because hitler was so furious about the bombing raids the whole time. they fo forced her daring to withdraw the bulk of his fighter squadron and antiaircraft guns
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from eastern front. >> antony beevor, the role of the soviet union, we in the west and we know enough about the role of the soviet union when it comes to our world war ii? >> on the hole in the west we tended to see it as a eurocentric point of view. one would've thought that maybe no one else was involved in war. but one has to recognize the fact that 90% of caches to place on the eastern front. and, of course, the soviet union had a appalling losses. they lost 9 million men in the armed forces, at least another 16 million civilians. it was a terrifying loss. so from that point of view the
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allies had a certain blood guilt towards the soviet union which was one of the reasons why stalin was able to manipulate roosevelt and churchill. churchill. >> what were hitler's tactical reason for invading the soviet union? >> hitler always used to quite often come up with certain reasons, some people, and then is other reasons which were more shall we say six or personal come he didn't speak about so much. what one finds that much in the cases of invasion of the something, the basic idea was to pillage the soviet union of its oil, of its natural resources, and basically to turn the population into a sort of slave state. it was going to be a german colony. it was going to be the bread basket for nazi germany. and this was an idea actually with, start in 1918 when at the end of the first world war the germans invaded and occupied the bulk of ukraine and a lot of
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southern russia, and to use as their breadbox. hitler was ver then much workinn that in his main objective. >> the battle of stalingrad, another one of your books. talk about that, please. >> stalingrad was probably, i think when kids a certain was the military and the psychological turning point of the second world war. one can certainly argue that the american entry into the war in december 1941 and the russian defense, if you like him of moscow in december 1941 is probably the turning point in point. but stalingrad was an astonishing battle but it was one of the worst of the savagery's, the ones ever seen, the way that you had these armies fighting in the ruins of normal life, fighting in the cellars and the sewers and everything. in a way this actually through the germans. they were used to using their superiority of aircraft and tanks and mobile warfare.
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this is very significant because, in fact, they have actually reached their cumulative point. i.e., that lost the initiative. this is where of course they were then surrounded in a surprise attack by the soviet union when they thought that the soviet union -- that was a real turning point. but from that point the germans knew that the war was staged in berlin, and the soviet soldiers knew that now they're going to win after all. >> if you would, compare joseph stalin as a war leader winston churchill as a war leader. >> stalin was a disastrous war leader to begin with, in 1941 to keep refused to accept the idea, he was in total denial that the germans were going to invade. but he then became a very -- from 1942 onward. particularly at the time of stalingrad when he realized he had to give his generals his head to interestingly this is all sort of the same time when
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hitler this was becoming a liability to the german high command. are and churchill was a superb awarded. if churchill had not had the moral courage and the determination to continue the fight in may 1940 when lord halifax and others felt that we were about to lose our army in france at dunkirk, and basically we should make some form of peace. churchill realized that would be the beginning of the and even ask about terms. and so, in fact, not just this country but, in fact, everybody owes a huge debt to churchill because it was the one point when hitler actually could have won the war. >> how did stalin become as you say a better war leader as the war went on? >> he became a better war leader part because you learn. he had an astonishing capacity for absorbing information. hitler was obsessive and the way
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you would accumulate knowledge, but shall we say information rather. it wasn't necessary knowledge. stalin was very canny indie. a terrifying monster, but at the same time a very clever man. who were his lead generals? >> his main general of course was general -- and one of there is why stalin admired him was he was penniless. in october 1931 we found in the russian archives that he issued this or that anybody who surrendered, their family would be executed. what he did realize was that actual stalin under this order, stalin was up for execution and so because his son had been captured by the germans. i don't think stalin was unduly worried but i think he just admired him for his determination spent where the.
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>> host: a with they had captured the stalin son speaks very much so. they even serve taking photographs of him and dropping leaflets over the russian lines to imply, to show that he had been taken. stalin of course was horrified that his son had committed suicide but basically all soldiers were supposed to kill themselves rather than be taken into captivity. many of them of course, as soon as they were released from captivity were thrown straight into the gulags or into labor camps. he eventually did commit suicide. he was shot down. >> into chairman camp. >> yes. >> eisenhower, montgomery, how much coordination was there between the generals. there was in many ways rather too little. in some ways rather too much. i better explain the. montgomery was answerable,
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frankly. he was never given enough information. i think they think eisenhower was partially taller perhaps of the month everybody did put his foot down i think at key moments. but there was no direct relationship until after the end of the war. he then became an object of suspicion to stalin if he and eisenhower got on so well. stalin was very nervous because it's popular. might prove effective and have him accused of -- >> what is that? >> i.e., that he might be able to dictate like napoleon bonaparte. so it gives you idea of quite how paranoid stalin was. stalin used to in 19451 hitler's body had been found and they were doing the autopsy installing this. he was to ring up zhukov in
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berlin accusing him of failing to find hitler's body. zhukov didn't find that a headless body had been found until 1965, 20 years later. >> when you say hitler's body, exactly what was left speak was well, their bodies were carried upstairs and they were sprinkled in petrol and set on fire. we interviewed a number of years ago, interviewed someone in the bunker. one of the cards, they been drinking heavily upstairs can stumble down the stairs and called out, the chief is on fire. and you want of a look? hitler's body was burned but it was still recognizable. 15 managed to track down the assistant to hitler's dentist so that she could come in and identify the jobs. they removed the jaw. >> where are those remains to be? >> it's quite interesting. the school is in one archive.
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this goal is in the russian state archives from the state archives of the russian federation, and the jaw is in -- they were taken away. so it gives you an idea if you like a different sort of chains of command, the different parts of the transit should be separated. >> have you seen those? >> no. i've seen photographs of them. i certainly have not seen the originals. one can, but i seem the photographs are fair and. >> what were the last days in in the bunker, in hitler's bunker like? >> well, one person was present describing to me a sort of a mixed share of resignation in history. and i think that's a very good way of putting it. hitler was dishing out cyanide pills. they were eventually, many of them were -- is a cyanide or shooting yourself the best way? many of them who did decide to
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shoot themselves did exactly that. but the others managed to escape right to the end. those i spoke to managed to get out just before the end. and it managed to get to a small electric boat and float down the river at night and escape the encircling soviet forces. >> antony beevor, have you had a chance decide that for a survivor in the bunker, have your chance to do oral history with older germans about what the experience was like? >> yes. back in the stalingrad and the berlin books. now it's really too late. it was amazing coming of them were still alive. and, in fact, could give a very good and coherent account of one has to be careful about oral testimony, especially about so long after the time. and i found that was particularly to of interviewing soviets veterans. mainly because they had read so many official accounts and then
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they filtered their own expenses to what they had read. so one had to be quite cautious in the way they used testimony. >> was there a point in the late '30s that in your view could have prevented world war ii? >> i think the historians rule should always be nothing is inevitable. but it's very hard to see how could've been avoided considering that hitler was determined to have his war. hit the complaint to numerous people that he was not allowed for the war in czechoslovakia. he had not expected the british to give in over czechoslovakia in 1938. so when you somebody like adolf hitler who is determined to have a war, i think it's very, very hard to avoid, particularly when one thinks that the settlement have created so many different ethnic groups that were on the wrong side of borders and so forth. i think some form of conflict
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was bound to happen in europe, but it only took the appalling annihilation character that he did, purely because of adolf hitler spent the versailles agreement ending world war i, in your view, did that help create the circumstances for world war ii? >> it certainly helped arthur like it certainly created the instability at the time of rising nationalism. when you have sort of states which were become nationalist then they started to stress ethnic minorities. and, of course, if the next-door state like say germany with czechoslovakia started to claim that they had the right to defend their ethnic brethren across the border, ma then you're bound to have some form of conflict i think. >> we are talking with british historian antony beevor about some of his books. another one of those books is "paris after the liberation." we've kind of glossed over france.
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we talked about england and soviet union and germany and the u.s., but what about france? >> well, france of course was a fascinating subject. i mean, the french had been completely humiliated in 1940 by this ongoing german defeat. and that whole question of the occupation of france as i think an important one but i think the british, the british were never occupied. so it's very hard for us and we should never really make moral judgments about life under the occupation and the french relationship with the germans. we know how many now, it's estimated between well over 20,000 babies were born to french women by german soldier fathers during the occupation. and some people say even many more. but i remember when we were preparing the book we went to see -- who worked in pairs just after the war in 1944 with my
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wife's grandfather was the ambassador. and put them the question, you know, what was the right degree of cooperation or collaboration with the germans when you have survived? and he said quite rightly, a way to would have to go on serving germans. he said the important thing is you have to be cozy with the germans. and i always wonder if the great moral philosopher should use the phrase cozy, like the dividing line except the behavior in an occupation. but it was a very, very difficult one of course and for the french, the difficulty when the americans arrived and the liberation arrived in 1944, no country -- the origins of the difficult force, french-american relationship really dates back to the liberation of 1944. >> how so? >> the french felt humiliated. the gis were throughout a package of cigarettes or whatever.
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they felt that they should automatically have their way with the women come and that, of course, presented resentments, particularly amongst the french men. and there was a lot of, those a lot of shows the ill feeling on both sides but and i think i carried on. they were greeted with tremendous enthusiasm of course actually at the liberation but things turned sour very, very quickly afterwards. >> is there any record of how many french women had american babies, as you mentioned 20,000 nazis? >> no. i haven't seen the figure. it would be interesting to know but i don't think it was as many. spent why was paris never bombed, or wasn't? >> paris was bombed around the outskirts. the british and the americans bombed for example, -- but nothing in the center of paris. hitler of course went to paris
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destroyed as the outside -- allies advanced upon the. but fortunately the general was made a rather improbable hero because he had been a complete massacre of the jews on eastern front but he suddenly became a hero in the west because he refused hitler's order to destroy the city. he realized that, in fact, it was going to do any good and even persuaded by his predecessor that you have to prevent orders being carried out. we see this landscape of london behind us during this interview. how much of the landscape with the cityscape of london was destroyed or and this one? >> quite a lot. you can see where ever the our modern buildings, basically that was where there had been bomb damage. but when i was working on the d-day book, i was rather far more shaken by the fact that over one whatever 60,000 british were killed in the second world
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war by luftwaffe vomit and by the rockets. but, in fact, more french just around 17,000 were killed by the allies come by the british and the americans. there's a terrible paradox, and that is that the armies of democracies to reduce their own casualties were allowed that much more bombing and high explosive on showing. with the liberation of normandy as well as all the bombing raids during the course of the occupation. that is why more french were killed by the allies come as i said, than british killed by the luftwaffe. >> how much of berlin was ultimately destroyed? >> it very. the outskirts we're not really hit very hard to the suburbs were not hit very hard, but it was entirely destroyed. many of the big buildings part because they were used for the defense. the photographs which is survived, solid, massive was one
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of the sites come one of the final battles because of stalin had ordered the symbol of capturing berlin would be to raise the red banner of victory over the right stack itself. but, in fact, not onto the whole thing have to be restaged for the cameras, but they then had to retouch the photograph because as they held up the flag, they showed all the looted watches and they had to be touched up. >> you have come your most recent book is a general history of world war ii, published in 2012. "the second world war" is what is called. is the new scholarship? is their continual interest in this war, and why? >> i think so. one at a reasonable i think there's continued interest, and, in fact, it's also -- the way the second world war has become the dominant reference point to every crisis and conflict in the world. and that is a danger when, say,
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presidents want t to stand roosevelt in our premises want to stand churchillian. there is automatically a harken back to the second world war. but it's not just that. world history came together during the second world war, not just because its global reach but also because it was the end if you like of the colonialism of all the french, british, and other empires. so all of that was hugely important but it's also because it was one of the great questions of moral courage or moral cowardice is, where you see every aspect of humanity, above all many of the worst elements of him in any. and i think that is the one of the reasons why it exerts the fascination that it does. >> and what is your personal fascination? what is your background? >> well, i started life as a professional army officer, but all my family come on my mothers side of them had all been
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writers. and so one stage i started writing, and i decided that i wanted that to be my career fixes the streets change, but i think the advantage of having been a soldier was to have an understanding really of the emotions and the psychology to a certain degree of armies themselves. it's not quite so easy for i think an outsider to understand why armies react in the way they did they are not cold, calculate emissions. they are intensely emotional organizations. >> are you old enough to remember postwar britain? >> know. not the immediate postwar, but i would say some memories would be -- it was, one was brought up if you like in a world where almost everybody was to find where they have a good war or not. it dominated everybody's lives. friendships always reverted back
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or referred back to expenses and the second world war. >> what are you currently working on? >> i have got one more book really on the second world war and that is going to be the winter of 1944. the battle of the bulge if you liked. then i will have been working on the site will dwarf released four times longer than actually lasted it for me finally the war is over, and after that i will be doing a major about napoleon which is due to come out in 2020. i need a good five years and french archives to really do it justice. >> antony beevor, what was the course of the battle of the bulge? was it an important battle? >> i think was important but also i will be doing it from a slightly different point of view. i more interest in the german psychology at the time. it very much varied at different levels. hitler was desperate to do it. his generals realized it was going to be a disaster. what was interesting was the younger officers and ncos were
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very keen and were determined that they felt this was their only chance to sort of to save germany from the appalling ruin which was coming from the east in the form of the red army. and it's very much the psychology i think on the german side, the pretty heroic story on the outlay, the american side. >> to your books do pretty well in the u.s.? >> that, i think so. >> do they do better here or in the u.s.? >> they do better here. they do very well in other countries, and translation. i think inevitably in one's own country, that's the case. >> do you think that, what about the current generation? is there still an interest in world war ii? >> yes. i mean not quite to the same degree because it is history for them, world war ii is as far away as world war i. we're talking a long way away.
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but at the same time when one thinks the movies still, television programs and all the rest, the documentaries, there are several tv channels that are devoted to almost the cycle of war and nothing else but from that point of view yes. it may be on the -- i think there still an extraordinary fascination. but i think what i has happenedn history itself has changed, and the past history was written in collective terms but there's a fascination about the fate of the individual within this mess or pick and i think people are putting the cells are trying to put themselves into the boots of those who were there. whether they were civilians or the soldiers caught up in this appalling sort of armageddon. >> what do you teach? >> i only do all a bit of teaching from time to time, sort of visiting professor at a couple universities. but that's wonderful because one doesn't have the responsibility of academic life but one has shown say the pleasures.
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you know, the contact and exchange of ideas. >> are you currently taking? >> not right at the moment. i'm working flat out on this book. on 1944. >> why are there different names for the? we call it the battle of the bulge spent you would call it the battle of the bulge. we do often, too. i think very much sort of the offensive but that's partly because i think of you writing about as well for my german point of view just as well from an allied point of view. >> antony beevor here in london has been a guest on the booktv. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much indeed. >> for more information on these and other interviews from london, visit the booktv.org and watch booktv every sunday at 6 p.m. eastern over the next several weeks for more.
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>> and booktv is on location at book expo america in new york city. itself every year as the publisher's yearly conference held at the javits center in new york city. we're doing some previous -- previous of books coming out this coming fall. joyousness george gibson is the publisher bloomsbury publishing. tell us all a bit about bloomsbury first. >> bloomsbury as the u.s. arm of a county located in england, bloomsbury publishing. best known probably for publishing harry potter, reaching all the harry potter books. the u.s. operation was started in 1998 and has grown steadily since then. so now what is that? 15 years. we are a general interest publisher, midsize publisher, fiction, nonfiction, a variety of different types of books. >> what are the challenges facing a midsize publisher?
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>> been between large and small. if you can spot it can be very reactive and personal but if you're large a lot more resources. so we tried to combine every level of resources with a lot of personal touch and try to publish books and a personal way as we can involving authors and their entourage and the publishing of the books made as personal as again so they get the best publishing experience. >> how important our book tours to authors and to selling book? >> they can be very important. they are more challenging to vote on now than they used to be. in part because so many authors are out on tour. and because of that they are some bookstores to 700 events a year. so that's two or three a day. and you're just not getting at all that big of an audience at every event. we tend now to send authors institutions and organizations rather than the bookstores pick because they have subscription list, guaranteed audiences pick sometimes simple and a bookstore to sell books at that event. we just find those are more
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successful than to than just going -- we still do a lot of bookstores but we're trying to broaden out the number of places we aim at. >> for another year a lot of the chatter here at bea is e-books. how does that affect you? what are your thoughts? >> we publish an e-book in every book we publish. at the same time as the print book. e-books are incredibly important to us. that said, it's been really interesting to watch over the last year that e-books have kind of leveled off. they were on a very steep incline in 2011 to 2012 the kind of leveled off and they of state of leveled off. which gives everyone who loves the printed word the printed book hope the printed book is anticipated independent bookstores are doing really well in the country right now. the habit a bit of a renaissance and researchers, which is very gratifying to hear. and i think we're finding out that readers, that the printed book as more power than we thought it did. there's something intensively
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value about the value of the book. not just the physicality of people connect to it in a different way than they did something online. there's the tangibility of the book that is a special and can't be replicated online spin we want to talk about some of your upcoming title, and i've got some new. let's start with this one, "ebony & ivy." >> trantwo be very controversial book. -- "ebony & ivy" is going to be a very controversial book. it's a controversial story about how every major american university of the ivy league variety was in some ways built on the back of slavery. slaves were involved and the slave economy was involved in the creation of an information of almost every major academic institution in the country. so you can tell how that's going to be controversial. we're publishing it in the fall to coincide with back to school and back to college. i think going to get a lot of
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attention just for the controversy that it inevitably will generate. spent it does in the a story that's been told spent it has not been. and i think that's what it will be surprising to a lot of people. >> tom standards? >> tom standards is the digital editor is you of the economist, and he knows more about more things than anyone i've ever met in my life. is a fascinating mid. this is a history of social media. you might think that social me begin when the internet was developed but no, it goes back 2000 years and he makes a direct connection between what social me was like in the roman times, wrote an angry times, and what it's like today. how very similar those of him as our and their interrupted for about one of the figures by big media, newspapers, then rated, then television which control what was said to the public good but within it would now go back to much more open world which had existed for thousands of
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years prior to the rise of big media. >> john? >> john is one of the greatest wind of the cold area and of the founding period if you will, written biographies of george washington and others. this is a joint biography of thomas jefferson and alexander hamilton. the two polar opposites among the american founding fathers. what they represent is jeffersons a grain, hamilton is federalist, those things still exist today. they come up in our politics all the time. if you really want to understand politics today, go back to understand the difference between jefferson and hamilton. but it's the first time they've been put in a joint biography to. >> do founding fathers books do well almost automatically? >> not automatically. i think it depends on who writes them. there are certain people really well known for doing that. they certainly, there's always an audience for book only founding father, always.
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spent and finally we want to talk to you about larry sabato his new book spent larry sabato asia is the correct of the center for politics at the university of virginia. he has been fascinated by john f. kennedy ever since as a teenager he fell in love with politics during the kennedy administration. this will become it's called "the kennedy half century: the presidency, assassination, and lasting legacy of john f. kennedy" at the we the most cover is about to come out this fall about the legacy of john f. kennedy. so it will encompass certainly his campaign for the presidency, his brief term in office, his assassination. but particularly will focus on impact he's had on every president since. everyone of the nine presidents since is directly linked to jfk. is a fascinating way. in fact, larry makes the case that ronald reagan more than any of them use the kennedy name, reputation, in more ways than any other president. you might think would be bill clinton or barack obama but actually reagan did. but every president has made use
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of the kennedy name and the kennedy legacy in one way or another. larry also undertook the biggest bull undertaken about a public figure in america, that will be part of the book. he's got some information about the assassination that no one has seen before that he finally dragged out of euros in washington that had not relisted before. we will embargo that into the book is published but i think be a fascinating book, amongst the many, many books that will come out on jfk this fall on the 50th anniversary of his assassination. >> this book is coming out in the fall of 2013. what's the process for book like this? when did you start working with larry sabato? >> we acquired the book two and a half years ago. >> 2011? >> 2011. larry has been pretty much working on it -- >> 2010. >> that's right, 2010. he is working on it steadily ever since. a lot to do with university and it turned into a long book and the long project. the manuscript literally just when into production this week,
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earlier this week on monday. so we are late with the. but we will catch up in the production process. so we should have been into production to much ago ideally but we will make of the time. >> when you say production, we are talking to here at the end of may 2013. this book is coming out november 2013. what do you mean by production? >> it goes to the copy editor to make sure that all the punctuation and all that is correct. then from there we'll go to typeset and get printed. so the beginning process, the beginning of the production process is getting it copy edited so it is accurate not only in production and style that copy editors check facts as well. will be a whole bunch of fact checking that goes on. >> george gibson is publisher of bloomsbury, and this is booktv on c-span2 on location, book expo america. >> here's a look at some books that are being published this week.
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