of god, that we will get these laws passed and is won't happen to anybody else's child and tracy and sabrina will no that even though it was very negative what happened to their child, we can make something positive come from something negative. sabrina fulton and tracy martin. [applause] >> let me start by saying trust in the lord with all your heart,

lean not to your own understanding and all your ways acknowledge him and he shall direct your path. he shall direct your path. doesn't say maybe, possibly, it says shall. that means to me absolutely he will direct our path. but we have to believe in him. that is proverbs 3, 5, 6 which is my favorite bible verse. i say it every day and wanted to share it with you. so you will have something to hold on to. losing trayvon martin was absolutely devastating but as i think about the loss also think about the possible gain, and

what are they? just to be here among you, just to be here to let people know, for people to let me know they are praying for us, that they are with us, that they are supporting us, that is what gives us the fuel to keep going. we have that drive because just like trade on -- just like trayvon martin, a am sure you have children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews that you have to care about as well. gary difficult to stomach the fact that trayvon martin wasn't committing any crime, he was on his way home from the store so how many of your teenagers go to the store? that is how close it will hit home. that is my message.

don't wait. don't wait until it is at your front door. don't wait until something happens to your child, your niece, your nephew, your grandson or granddaughter or godson. don't wait. this is the time to act, now. this is the time to get involved and don't just say i support the foundation, i support the family, i think they're doing a great job. that is good but it has to be more than that. we have created through the negative energy, negative energy when you are disappointed, negative energy when you have a loss. we took that negative energy and that is what we used to create the trayvon martin foundation. that is where our time is going into the trayvon martin

foundation. to help going through the loss that we are going through, that is what we decided to do with our time, to give back because we were blessed to have a law firm that gave us the direction, we were blessed to have people from all over the united states, allover different countries, we were blessed to have those people stand with us and say i am trayvon martin. what we also have to think about, the ones that are being killed or being murdered and the injustice that is going on to other people and try to help them as well. [applause] we want people to know that you have a right to

walk in peace with out, regardless of your race, regardless of the color of your skin, you have a right as a teenager, as an individual, as a human being, to walk and not worry about someone following you, someone doing something to you, saying something to you and you end up to cease. thank you so much for your time and god bless you all. [applause] >> good morning. it is certainly an honor and pleasure to be here among all of you commemorating this '50s to the anniversary this week of the march on washington but be

mindful that we are also counting days. it has been 544 days since the loss of trayvon martin. and just like this is historic, and we want to make our tragic incident become historic for all people by letting the world, letting the country know that we will continue to stand as parents, not only for our kids but for all of our kids in fighting for justice for all of our kids. that is one of our main goals. i think it is imperative that we sit down as individuals, as god-fearing people, as a nation, come together and rewrite the manuscript on how to be a good parent, how to instill in our

children you don't have to be afraid to walk out and get candy or ice-t from the store. [applause] >> this is not an issue only in the black community. it is in all of our communities and the only way the we will solve the issues as we work together, we have to work together no matter what race, what reid, what religion, we have to work together as a nation of people to start to understand each other as a people and we just feel as though our fight is your fight, your flight is our fight, we are just fighting for simple justice for all of our children, thank you. [applause] >> real quick before we exit.

we would encourage you guys to go on our web site which is trayvon martinfoundation.org. as sabrina said earlier we have a foundation, and the objective of the foundation is to start mentoring programs for our youth, to start educational programs, to educate our kids, our communities on the laws, how they apply equally to us, and understanding the laws period because before this incident happened with trayvon martin i had never heard of stand your ground, so many other people across this country hadn't heard of it. so we need to start understanding how to use laws applied to us, how they affect us directly and indirectly and

we need to educate ourselves on things we take for granted in our everyday lives. as we all know, life is very precious and it is a blessing to wake up each morning, to be able to put on your shoes and socks but as i said before, 544 days to go. 9 upper thought i would be here talking about my son being deceased. so every day from here on out, from february 26, 2012, and we continue to count. i kind of took for granted that he was going to be here and he was going to bury me. we have to as parents we don't fathom the idea of burying our children, we need to start taking that to heart and give your kid a hug every day, show

your child that you love him, whether your child is an adult or not, you have to much and know that. [applause] >> they un c-span we will be live at the lincoln memorial for a rally commemorating the 50th anniversary of the march on washington. among those expected to participate reverend al sharpton, martin luther king iii, attorney-general eric holder, mark of the national urban league and the naacp's angeles. that gets underway at 9:00 eastern on c-span. >> on this weekend's newsmakers, debbie wasserman schultz, chair

of the democratic national committee, joined us from the committee's meeting in arizona to talk about the party's strategy heading into the 2014 midterm elections. here is a preview of the interview. >> as you look out over the next few months, what will set the template for next year's election? >> ui identified immigration reform. that is certainly going to be a critical issue, continuing the direction that we go when it comes to our policy on the economy, democrats and the president obama's leadership are focused on job creation, trying to continue to get the economy turned around, pushing for place to sequester with a balanced approach to deficit reduction where we make targeted spending cuts rather than taking the hacks on republican support like the sequester eliminating head start, which cut meals on wheels for seniors, cause us to have to

put federal employees on furlough, even national guard members who are defending as in the path of hurricanes during hurricane season, that is the agenda the republicans have embraced and if they continued down the path of extremism through the fall and next year, what i think is going to happen is it will give up more opportunities to expand, to win congressional races no one is predicting we have a chance to win now and that is why we're doing everything we can in the democratic party to aggressively continue on mass expansion. in arizona, after this i will be going to texas for the next few days where there have been huge demographic shifts, ala unregistered hispanic citizens who when we get the registered and get out to vote will we know will support democratic candidates because they embrace our agenda and will reject the alienation and extremism the republicans have engaged in and then i will be in georgia where

we also have seen without spending any money in the last election president obama got 45% of the voting georgia so we are looking to turn states that were purple and then blew under republicans mired in their civil war and continue to embrace extremism. that is what american voters have a choice between and that is why i think they will continue to choose democrats and we will have a lot of opportunities to rebuild the middle class. that is we are all about. >> you can watch the entire interview sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> to see the lack of print journalism. i am frustrated when i see the loss of so much state and local journalism covering what is happening in city councils and on the ground because a lot of national journalism isn't as good if you don't have local journalism.

a lot of what i do is watching, reading local and state story seeing what is happening at that level and figuring out how is bubbling up at the national level so there are not people on the ground doing that sort of work. i thing national journalism suffers quite a bit so i really hope someone figures out a way to keep that sustainable and keep those people in place. we will see a lot more social media i think where people don't maybe go to the web sites, news outlets quite as much, see stories being shared by others, but what their friends that talking about and news goes that way rather than you go to the four web sites. >> from blogger to center for american progress to managing editor of the huffington post amanda turtle on what is shaping modern journalism sunday night at 8:00 on q&a. now a discussion on electronic

surveillance and its impact on human rights with access now, an organization focused on individual like this to the internet and the right to privacy. from the new america foundation this is 40 minutes. >> excuse me, hello. if everybody could come to the front of the room, bring your food and drinks, please it down, we will get started. like herding cats. so i wanted to welcome everyone to the new america foundation. i am at the 11 from the open technology institute. some of you may know this is an operational think tank that brings many disciplines together to collaborate on improving access and control over technology. in supporting one of those disciplines, one directly capped with the research and

development of polk and technologies such as the wireless project, i especially appreciate the purpose of this event, this water multi city series, bringing people of different backgrounds and experiences together. my team's an official model is not even space ships are built in a vacuum. the technologist's work like planners and researchers, advocates and organizes to assure the technology serve certain needs as we find them out in the world. third monday is an event series of nine cities, the tenth or eleventh just came on line and as i said multiple times, last count, strive to support similar connections between local activists. each city brings its own particular character into the mix. in d.c. the realm of access and technology often have policy advocacy. our speaker this evening,

katherine maher, knows this better than most, working very much as she does directly at the center section. my pleasure to welcome her here to discuss with those work that access now along with privacy international are meeting with the report of hundreds of ngos for communications surveillance. welcome. [applause] >> thank you for that kind introduction. i am delighted to be here to introduce the international principle for the application of human rights for communication surveillance. i am very much here as a representative of a group that includes literally hundreds of organizations that have come on board as signatories in support of these principles as well as dozens of rafters who contributed to the process at hand. with all we have recently learned regarding the scope and scale of government surveillance at home and abroad there has never been more urgent time to address the question of fundamental rights in the

context of ubiquitous digital communication. in the united states we have heard defenses but for pertaining to legality of a variety of surveillance programs and the united states law and their impact on u.s. citizens. with the surveillance programs of legal and the united states is very much a matter to be determined. i look forward with anticipation to the outcome of of variety of pending legal challenges filed by many partner organizations including the american civil liberties union and the electronic frontier foundation but we can be much clearer on the fact that these programs are likely in violation of international human rights principles including those enshrined in international law. it is the right of u.s. citizens protected by oversight and due process, the administration and congressional leadership have freely acknowledge the fact that the targeting of foreign nationals is a key component of these programs. this intrusive blanket targeting infringers on universal human rights, the right to privacy, the right to free association and expression and while the united states seeks to settle

issues pertaining to the constitutionality of these programs there's another body of international law to consider including articles xvii and xix of the international covenant on civil and political rights to which the united states is signatory. if you look around world virtually every national constitution and international legal framework enshrines the right to due process and privacy in some form. in the international covenant on civil and political rights this is described as providing arbitrary and unlawful interference with privacy and everyone is entitled to the protection of this right. similarly the u.s. fourth amendment talks about unreasonable search and seizure and the need for warrants issued on the basis of probable cause. in october last year, in 2012 in brussels a group of 40 experts in technology with background in industry, academia, the legal sector and civil society came together forming the basis of what is now known as the international principles on the application of human rights to

communication surveillance. the intent of the original gathering was to offer clarifying guidance on the access to data and content in the context of law-enforcement but as the process continued the discussion necessarily widen to include questions related to the national security surveillance practice. the principles, the outcome of this discussion seek to put forward any value of framework for assessing concepts such as when is surveillance arbitrary, when is it unreasonable, how does surveillance take place in a way that is grounded in international law and jurisprudence. provide clear and greg minor and guidance for governments to respect the fundamental rights of digital users while engaging in efforts to protect the security of all citizens. by qualifying the process by which access to digital data occurs the principal is also seen to assess policymakers to evaluate whether current law and regulations comport with international human-rights obligations. the process which took nearly a year was shepherded by a

committed group of 15 civil society organizations. together they analyzed more than 60 texts of national constitutions containing articles or other languages related to communication privacy including the constitution of the united states, peru, germany, kosovo, south korea, japan, vietnam, rwanda, a massive global undertaking. as well as international human-rights law and jurisprudence, such as the european court of human rights, inter-american court of human rights and very stiff and articles ranging from how the american declaration of rights and duties of men to the arab charter on human rights. the process which finished this july came out with 13 clear principles, the drafters had to confront significant questions around choosing language that met the needs of the global community while being relevant to national frameworks. deciding whether or not mated data should be included as protected information and determining issues such as how specific the language of proportionality should be.

at the end of the process reorganization's including my own as well as privacy international and the electronic frontier foundation emerged as coordinator to help build awareness, secure signatories and push for adoption and implementation of these principles. to date the principles have 215 signatures from around the world including human rights organizations, legal department and universities and independent media groups. this includes 20 signatories and united states, the host of us here to say -- the electronic privacy information center and enternews. this is a society at seventh to proactively engage policymakers and other stakeholders in protecting the fundamental rights of all people. hy wants to talk about the principles involved. they bring nearly a year in development, included 15 society organizations and are drawn on the basis of 60 different

constitutional framework. the outcome endorsed by 215 global signatories and 20 u.s. global signatories. the contents of the principles, there are 13, include legality, which is the idea that any limitation on the right to privacy must be prescribed by law. that is in practice any surveillance conducted by law enforcement, intelligence agencies or other government or government affiliated institutions must be clearly sought out in the plain text of the lawsuit is accessible to the public. that means that the public is aware of the way the procedures, type and duration the state may use and the relevant law authorizes that surveillance. they must have legitimate aims, that is was a only that communication surveillance by specified state authority to achieve a very legitimate aim, that corresponds to an important legal interest, that is compelling state interest that is so important such as protection of public safety that

outweighs individuals' rights of the user's. specifications for the surveillance must the spell out in law and conducted only in furtherance of previously specified legal interests. a relevant example from the news that took place over the course of this weekend is you can't -- one of the journalists associated with disclosures around the nsa program that is the news recently, glenn greenwald's heart was recently detained while passing through international transit on the basis of an anti-terrorism law. whether that is related to that intention is something we need to spell on very clearly with regard to legitimate aims. necessity. that is to say the information or surveillance and only be ended taken for which surveillance actions can only be undertaken when there are no clear the means of acquiring the necessary information. when the information to be

acquired is of vital importance to addressing the issue at hand or vital to the investigation. adequacy. any instance of communication surveillance authorized by law must be appropriate. that means in practice that the type or form of action with regard to the surveillance, action undertaken must be strictly adequate, it must go no further than what is required to obtain relevant information. proportionality. excuse me. surveillance is a highly intrusive act, directly interferes with individual rights to privacy and has problematic impact on the right to freedom of opinion, an expression and assembly which are the foundations of a democratic society. therefore any surveillance must be proportionate, must weigh the benefits gained from acquiring the information against the severity of the intrusion on the fundamental right of the person affected. competent judicial authority. that is to say you must have a judge that is independent from

other branches of government, who is familiar with the issues at hand and has the authority to decide these matters. related to communications surveillance, must be made by a judge that is impartial and independent. due process. states must guarantee and respect the individual's right by assuring lawful procedures that govern interferences properly enumerated in law, that is to say the principles must be applied in a procedural matter that is consistently practice and clear to the general public. for user notification. individuals should be notified of any decision around their communication. currently there are many practices in place which governments have access to user communication through a third-party providers and third-party providers disclosing to the user their communications have been accessed. user notification is a clear part of the principles and an important component of notification so the user can see right to remedy or redress.

transparency. should be absolutely transparent and clear about the scope and use of surveillance techniques and power is. this is a very easy one. the legality requirement that requires understanding of what the law authorizes states must be transparent about procedures, tight and duration of surveillance they engage in which means disclosing when surveillance has occurred and under what statutory law has occurred. recently the center for democracy and technology in b.c. was involved in organizing a letter signed by many companies implicated in the program as well as a number of civil-rights, society and human rights organizations in calling for greater transparency in the u.s. government regarding the scope and extent of international security programs. public oversight. states must establish independent oversight mechanisms to assure the accountability of surveillance practices. at the moment it takes place in the dark. it is important to have public oversight to address misconduct and rain in abuses. this could take the form of an

empowered oversight board to unify branches of government like kids again, this event judicial and examine ways surveillance laws are adopted and implemented as well as bring cases on behalf of citizens. integrity of communications. this is a critical point. it may not necessarily be clear with regards to its links to international human rights principles it is about defending the networks at a fundamental infrastructure level to prevent raids violation. surveillance and monitoring like back doors offer the opportunity for systematic abuse. in particular backdoor networks weaken network integrity as a whole making the network inherently insecure for all users by creating additional vulnerability to any bad actor to exploit. example of this with regard to communications in the united states is the proposal for the communications assistance for law enforcement act, second

version, that would propose -- proposed mandating commercial service providers to incorporate that stores into their platform, of these would weaken the security of platforms as a whole and impose providers rather than narrowly targeting specific users as targets of investigation, broadly exposed all users to potential surveillance these safeguards for international cooperation. in response to changes information with regard to communications technology and services, increasingly need to seek access to information in law enforcement and national security from providers that may not reside within their own borders. this is part of the process in the critical components of the number of investigations many of which are entirely legitimate. unfortunately at the moment it is unclear, it is often unclear the mechanisms by which states cooperate with regards to information sharing. in the exchange of global

digital information is important to have clear ways countries access and transfer that information such as mutual legal assistance treaty to facilitate communications transfer allowing greater due process, record of information sharing across states and specification or should include specification in the context of discrepancies between state standards at the higher level of protection for the individuals. finally, safeguards against a legitimate access. states enact criminal legislation criminalizing legal communication by private and public actors. we have seen many instances of abuse by public and private actors so provide sufficient civil and criminal penalties for illegal surveillance and avenues of redress for those affected individuals. anyone who accesses digital information without the procedures set out above should be penalized and those whose rights are violated should

receive retribution. these are the 13 core principles and they are available at necessaryanda proportion of.org. they launched in july of this year just over a month ago and there are 200 different signatories to these principles. the next step forward is september, including presentation of the principle that the human-rights council in mid september. very stiff and coordinating organizations will be urging the human rights council to adopt the report of a recent report on surveillance and human rights as well as integrating these principles into a binding resolution at the united nations level. we know number of organizations are seeking to integrate these principles into pending legislation regarding national security surveillance and we expect organizations around world as signatories will do the

same. [applause] >> i want to follow a little more of your time before we open up to the usual discussion amongst ourselves that is really the focus of third monday. this is a bit unusual. i would like to give you a chance to ask questions about our work and the presentation will respond and ask a few questions on some of the things involved in work, if you would speak about the principles, where the expectations are that have been beating the development of the span of time, what it is that might happen with those principles and how they might be put to good use. >> formation of the principals in the impetus for this group of organizations getting together

was very much in response to what is known as the snoopers charter with three major components that would have created new powerful companies to collect specific information, create a system for public bodies to have access to that information and make changes to the regulatory authorities in the u.k. that would access information for surveillance purposes surprise international widget the u.k.-based organization convene 40 different organizations to come together with regards to crying -- trying to create a better understanding of international law and from that understanding of various principles and actions currently at play in 2012, begins accretive framework by which organizations and civil society but also the private sector would have clarity around the way they engage with law-enforcement agencies. this process led to the creation of principles that have a precedent. look at 1996 and the creation of

the johannesburg principles on national security and human rights and when civil society has come together to create a set of principles that become integrated into the basic understanding of the way we conduct all sorts of different national security activities in the context of human rights law so the real idea with regards to the drafters was how does this become international more, how does it become a touchstone people referred to, how did become an effective component within the existing digital rights and human rights days. >> i will come back to that before i turn questions over to the audience but also fast forward to where we are now when there is no doubt on many of the lines in terms of mass surveillance which is unfolding in the past several months. there has been a lot of effort to stop watching as campaign,

the letter from internet government coalition to -- the acronym here people recognize to work with polk civil liberties oversight board and make reference to the other letter. if you could talk a little bit about how those book ends in the u.k. the circumstance may be informs the we have been working on this in july, still working on this in terms of socializing government bodies and agencies to achieve that touchstone you articulated so well. what is the story in between? how has worked on this been responsive to the latest revelation? >> this is interesting. as i mentioned, the principals were initially designed to deal with law-enforcement and that is to say polk run of the military day law-enforcement body's approach, consumer service

providers request information weather is made a date or content data about ongoing investigation. over the course of the year these have been developed, certainly more recently since the revelations about the nsa and pc hq programs the drafters went back and asked whether there needs to be of modification to the principles in order to address these concerns about national security. what i found fascinating about a process is the communications principles that were put forward in a law enforcement context held up to the national security context which speaks to the fact that the principles are universally applicable but also the existing secrecy and justification's around the national security are perhaps unjustified if these principles could be equally applied in a more conventional law-enforcement context as well as national security context.

>> fast forward to the expectations given what you talked about in terms of the launch of principles in july, work being done to the point of harmonization you touched on with work elsewhere in the human rights based. what does the world look like with that keystone? those principles in place? what does it look like to the activists and policy advocates, 6 or 12 or 18 months? >> i would go further than that, creation of international human rights as we know from past experience takes a significant amount of time. i referred to the johannesburg principles from 1996. those are principles that gained in traction not only recently but recently with regards to the revelations around programs such as these but those are now 17 years old. is that right? this is the process we anticipate will take time. i think the end goal or midterm goal at the moment his boat un

resolution i made reference to, that would be supported at the international level because many international groups do see the you and as a key arbiter of rights and an excellent place to petition and reference to. over the long term some discussions with members of the coalition, i think the objective is these principles are so well socialize that any proposal with regards to legislation on surveillance will necessarily have to refer back to these 13 for principles as legislatures and other bodies considering implementation at a state level. as an activist, cumin rights organization, this is an incredibly useful tool. as a policymaker, this provides guidance, when you are drafting potential legislation and reform existing protocol and legislation, it could be useful tests and i reference the networking communications

integrity. as a technologist i think they provide wonderful guidance for what we should anticipate and complete network and system integrity without the inclusion of back doors or other interference. >> great. that is an interesting picture to look forward to but we will see a few things accelerate. the experience you had adapting to recent events libya some experience and translation of future events and testing in a good constructive fruitful way, testing the principles, anticipating what might be coming up. i promised i would monopolize katherine maher song will turn to the audience for questions. we have some volunteers in the audience, if you hold the question until the microphone comes to you since we are live streaming and broadcasting so the audience can hear you as well. >> you didn't mention the internet. so the nsa goes back to the 50s

which is an entirely different world of communication. are there any bright red lines that you see? anybody support the declaration of independence, you can't go there sort of thing? >> that is a great question. we don't make reference to the internet for a variety of reasons. these make of institutional communications. the expectation is the modalities of communication will certainly change. if you look at the universal declaration of human rights, drafted in the last century you will see particularly with regards to articles on the right to free expression they don't make any specific reference to a mode of communications and that is something we look to adopt with regards to these principles. if this is to become a touchstone document going forward, it needs to anticipate what ever forms of communication we might see in the future.

i don't know about the bright red lines but i do think there are groups that are out there looking at those issues and is useful to have a whole spectrum of organizations on the matter. this is designed to be a collective understanding and that provided a framework that is true of guidance for policymakers and defense for human rights advocates. >> any other questions? >> the one that surprises me the most is in some sense the user notification. if you take the analogy to law enforcement, of phone tapping, there really isn't a notification process as i understand it and i could very well not understand but i am also struck that in the european parliament's reaction to this, they included user notification in their early july amended motion that was led by a whole

series of people and reaction to the first wave of stories out of the guardian post, can you explain a little more of the context to the user notification and i have always been struck by european parliament in particular because it doesn't really have security apparatus associated with it. none of the european institutions do. that is the first place something like this could come to to a vote in the parliament without the other pressures. can you comment on that? >> user notification as i mentioned earlier along with transparency under stood to be touchstones to the beginning with violations if you don't have access to information about the fact that a right to violation has occurred is incredibly difficult for you as the user to seek any remedy with regard to that violation. on the fact it is included in

the principles, the principals themselves come out of a survey of bodies of international law, international human rights tools, constitutions and we see discrepancies from state to state, something preference in the european context you might not have in the united states as a point of action. i think the point with regard to notification with an ongoing wiretaps would certainly interfere with the process of an investigation. when you talk about user notification we're referring to removal of issues, removal of tools like gag orders with regard to disclosing the fact this request for data has actually occurred. we know in the united states, national security letters have been used that tied the hands and voices of companies with regards to their ability to

disclose any information. not necessarily to the users, users as a whole. we want to make sure there are provisions in place for these different companies whether they are private sector rectors or service providers to be able to disclose and provide that degree of transparency to users even if users make an informed choice about the services they engage with. >> another question? >> i am happy to follow up, and i would be delighted. >> center for democracy and technology. thank you for having this event and i know the principles were in process before the nsa revelations but it is auspices they debuted at this time particularly when there has been very little in the discourse about it, the rights of non u.s. persons. i wanted to highlight a couple things that have been mentioned

already. your comments about transparency, a joint letter by a variety, more transparency which is still open to signers that we need to know. i wanted to highlight something else thomas mentioned which is the joint letter to the privacy and civil liberties oversight board which went public earlier today, and new america, and dozens of organizations worked on in and signed, trying to inject -- injected discussion and get the lead to consider the rights of non u.s. persons and human rights of everyone when preparing its report on the ennis a programs. i want to highlight that and the fact that the deadline is not until the fifteenth. that letter is still open to signature by organizations and individuals, the bets bits coalition, so fun to say, the

club, privacy and civil liberties oversight board. >> we have a question here and we will get to vote on this side of the room. >> i just had a question about perspective. people have been talking about aspiring since world war ii, is it a matter of governments are truly doing more spying or that the spying has gone three times easier because of advances in technology? >> i am not a historian of surveillance. i would suggest certain we you can draw a distinction with regards to the nsa over spying on foreign governments and foreign governments as targets which was historically their mandate and increased diffusion of the collection of information with regard to private individuals. that is an evolution we have seen with regards to

intelligence agencies that a global level in response to a variety of issues, the emergence of non state actors, primary narrative concern, the national security community. with regards to whether these intelligence agencies are doing more spying there's an argument that articulated that addresses the fact that the cost for surveillance has fallen precipitously, given advances in technology and the ability to do data storage and the crack analysis that other intelligence agencies have the ability to do. so if you have decreased costs and decrease the ability, it is safe to say the amount of data acquired is not collected under ennis a definitions' with regards to interpretation or analysis have gone up dramatically. >> a question on this side.

>> national democratic institute. now that these new principals are out there, how would you suggest civil society and the international stage involved and help promote domestically or international collective effort? >> there are 115 signatories. we would love that to be 500, 700, signatories are open to all. i mentioned it includes everything from human rights groups to independent media groups so it is open to a broad variety of individuals and if you in your own work or any member of the audience organizations interested in participating, by all means. and something is that on the table. and and provide input going

forward. within the domestic context the signatories and coordinators' of this campaign have a variety of guidance, going to legislators and policymakers using these principles as a tool, and the policy for domestic -- and the more support that is afforded to efforts at the human rights council level, there will be more success with regards to irresolution and human rights and surveillance and that is something we're looking forward to. the previous report by the human-rights and surveillance veiled with regards to being adopted in to resolution because it did not have full support of members of the human rights council the report because it made specific reference to the

foreign intelligence surveillance act prior to the recent nsa revelations, insuring that goes to a resolution to the international community, extraordinarily well positioned to encourage that sort of participation and afterwards i am happy to provide any context and other organizers to provide that direction. >> the open technology institute, you mentioned part of the 13 principals, the formation of an independent court to overlook the surveillance with the broad spectrum is more tightly enacted. would that be closer to the hague or would that be something like the more independent court like we have now. >> great question. principles are not prescriptive in the sense that they don't forward the idea the of international court. the idea is very much that

oversight of judicial authority should be integrated into access and collection of data so that would happen with regard to individual requests, specific warrants and the light. and there will be an independent entity that has longitudinal perspectives understands the history and context of surveillance that occurs in the national context but also independent of executive pressure or legislative pressure and could provide sort of act as an advocate on behalf of citizens to file a case on behalf of citizens who depend on the national context but the principles are designed to be within a domestic context as opposed to trying to create an additional supernatural body.

>> back to the perspective question. in 1971 -- and we have the privacy act of 74. is there any chance in this country, the one surprising thing, is there political energy to do something similar in this country? >> i can't speak to legislation but i will make note of the fact that ever since the nsa spying in the united states we have seen legislation put forward, and the amendment that went to a vote. and it is tied to political leadership issues in the united states. with the legislation we have seen put forward, there are things we have seen that are very much in line with the way the principles would speak to reform surveillance practice. as to whether we will see

anything like renewed church committee empowered with the authority to fully investigate and provide transparency around ongoing actions is a hope of mine and in speaking with the international community is a hope as well. and there was excellent reference to the fact that ongoing activities are very much on the rights of u.s. citizens so any form of action at the congressional level would include narrowing of the scope of surveillance, not necessarily national affiliation but on the basis of reducing the overall amount of information acquired and analyzed with significant impact with regard to reducing the number of innocent non-u.s. persons who are subjected to surveillance by these outgoing programs. >> any other questions? no?

all right. i guess it is left to me to thank katherine maher for the presentation, deep drive on principles, your patience for answering my questions, fantastic questions from the audience though no doubt folks recognize the name of the organization as being -- working alongside these principles and it is left to turn over to the rest of the evening at this point in terms of should be some residual questions on the back table and along the back side and i would encourage folks to stay for another hour or so for folks to make introductions, happy to facilitate a group of introductions all-around for the folks that are here but some speakers, you want to talk to more based on questions they put forward, to help advance this discussion. [applause] >> to they un c-span live at the

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