showed up because they were convinced by voting president obama they were stopping a great racist tide that was swum up to the surface against president obama. >> host: when you hear the term post racial what does it mean? >> guest: we live in a country where everybody is free to make their own way. and the obstacles folks face should be a identified and targeted on an individual level. i think we have a ghost hunting pretty quickly. we tart talking about constitutional racist. i don't think that's true in america anymore or my generation and the continued push we saw for example at the 50th anniversary of martin luther "i have a dream" speech. the greatest obstacle facing young black folk is white racism. ..

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situations to turn them into a referendum of race in america whether o.j. simpson or rodney king or something not even in fused with race like george zimmerman and the fbi has been searching he is a racist and cannot find anything. and hit was turned into a race case a tragic circumstance even more tragic because he ended up dead. >> host: you said the associated press that seemed racial in nature is the media part of this? >> absolutely at least what portrays himself as objective i don't have a problem with those who don't portray themselves as objective at least they are honest but there are those who say they are objective then use the objectivity so for example, cnn tried to

make it all that he made into a racial call but they made it sound like he was a racist he tracked trayvon martin down and that was not true the ap region reported he was white when he was really hispanic that was to build up a controversy. and also pushes for verdes certain political line. then historically if that is all way of life that is from government intervention that continues to be a deeply racist country and that calls for more federal and state and local intervention into the lives of americans to root out the race. >> host: feminists want to taper the differences between men and women

between gender if they're real differences the whitman might need men and the men might need women that would destroy any semblance of equality. >> a quality to the feminist left is as opposed to equality and believe the limits should get a job the same as men my mother does business affairs on reality tv shows like hell's kitchen my wife is that medical school i'm a big believer in the workplace but to ignore the reality of the situation that they are not only different in terms of genitalia and how they think and every study that has ever been done shows their brains do not operate the same way but attempting to pretend they are identical with regard to how the sexes relate is a mistake.

>> host: who were some of the other belize's? >> i break it down by topic environmentalist anti-israel also those that what i really mean is not just those who disagree politically but those who say you are morally inferior if you disagree politically this is what what the left like to do with frequency not that they disagree on a top hat on the topic but they thank you are a bad person not because there are honest differences of opinion but because you are a nasty custody and this is what i said to pierce market on gun-control the argument he was making was the reason i support gun-control is if you don't you don't care about sandy hook and what i

said to pierce morgan was you can say that then claim moral superiority i think actually most americans want a better life for children and a safer life i think we all want to spiritually higher life we want a lot of the same thing just to proclaim that they don't want it that they aren't just deep down nasty because they disagree is a way to silence the debate and unfortunately they have taken a monopoly on that. >> host: new say we have been spent tech it long dash decades of the class warriors secularist and the scaremongering thugs we have tried to be polite but this bit interface then played as ford defacing your discourse they try to minimize the number of people in the political arena and we have gone along with it because we applied for the time americans can sure hopes and dreams together rather than

what separates us we want deeper bassoon them but they want the opposite to what diversity to many folks on the left does not mean that we can all share the same goals and aspirations and still have different cultures to bring those together but on the left it means if you don't think like me that you are not tolerant and to silence those to make people feel that they are morally inferior in that should be unacceptable in discourse and unfortunately to respond if the only response politically speaking to some apply mitt romney lost the election lukowski portrayed rocco bobbinet romney said he was not getting his job he really didn't know what he was doing there romney

was the good family man or a good guy to go have a beer with some would say president obama is a good manager is not a good at being president looked at how the last campaign to even people in the obama campaign he put binders full of women and dogs on top of his car. and if under romney their wives to die of cancer because they did not have insurance. the one issue that they would disagree that it was more people like you that romney was blown away. certainly he had a plurality

of americans but for of obamacare more about people like them as because if you spend years castigating somebody and have a choice of thing competent president or second to mislead the would choose incompetent. >> host: howl old when you wrote your first book? >> guest:, jr. year of college for i was 19. i started off but was 61 started ucla had i picked up the daily bruin the paper they're a and it had editorial comparing the prime minister and asked if i could write a response that turned into a point counterpoint column that turned into a regular column after 17 i went to my dad

and i said the think it is good enough to be in a regular paper? he said the b-2 research he found the syndicator for others and i just sent in my columns with the buyout they do wish young but not quite that young within three weeks later i got a call they wanted to syndicate my column so what 17 i was young best syndicated column because i was at the age of consent some parents had to sign the contract quickly upon doing that i proceeded to e-mail a bunch of people one of those right away was rush limbaugh's brother david and he said you're not only talented if you write a book code be happy to add it so levitate diligent notes

in class i was taking notes what my professors were saying date and time its specific quotations and in about three weeks i wrote the whole book from all my nose during the summer retreat junior and senior years than it was decided to be published and halfway through my senior year of college it came out some professors were not particularly happy the bruin did a big spread on it but it did very well and. >> host: the four word was written by david limbaugh. can you fall into a trap to be selective in the incidence is? >> sure. the book is anecdotal i don't think there is any question that every poll ever attended university show professors are significantly more to the left on the population ucla

floated almost universally by wilt of daschle corporation but the population went 50/50 but universities are to the left but the stories are more interesting so the book does have close to back up by say as evidence but i do call out specific professors to name them by name hand in the way it was the first book of the time there are other books that not only experience is that in the classroom but direct quotations of dates and times and what they said i went ucla so water by tax dollars funding? it was an eye on -- opener for lot of folks. >> at this the brainwashing of students one of the problems plaguing america's youth with the the side of lot of activity with over

powering bias by the student body. to find a viable solution we must now answer three crucial underlying questions why the university so biased why do the students take professors and face all of -- volume in what can we do to stop it? >> the first one is why they so biased in the first place? one reason is folks at the university level were largely infiltrated and then decided not to challenge the student body in the 30's and 40's started to takeover universities in the '60s as professors don't have to live in the real world so to speaker get a job outside of the university.

it is an echo chamber lee cannot distinguish between opinion and fact so everyone that agrees with them is factual and george to be bush did not disagree but he was a liar they were just liars because when they go back to the faculty lounge of the betty agrees it is virtually universal then it is self perpetuating because you have to work with the professors' letter there to get your doctorate i guarantee if you are at ucla to write a doctoral thesis on how gun-control is completely ineffective you'll have a lot more trouble than if it is supremely effected the only solution is to solving gun violence in america. number two the answer is simple their spending thousands and thousands of dollars my parents spent a lot of money so that means

the authority that your parents have no chance rizzo for to the new group of people who will speak to you from a position of knowledge and authority. so as a student you know, the best way is to vomit out everything the professor told do i got a great grades in college so i ended up a harvard law one of the reasons if you write -- read my books i write like a communist. thank god for anonymity by wood speaking class don't waste of the parade again and a then the degree is worth something. that is the reason for number two but number three how the bias changes, the most optimistic solution is that they would clear themselves up but that won't happen if you live in that at the chamber and think

people who disagree are deniers just like climate change. you do not disagree you deny. the only way to do this is to exercise the power of the market eventually parents will have to stop sending their kids to schools they disagree with on a political level take a $100,000 to start a business for your kids and have the run a business or send them to school the you have more agreement and alumni have to realize it is not just football teams helmets' it is the front of the class playing the guitar and it actually happens but i always prefer market solutions which. >> host: they hold separate graduation ceremonies for black students black, latino and a

jewish with each sir refocusing on the customs of that group. ucla is a center for separate graduation ceremonies university holds graduation for homosexual students of the call lavender graduation and they've wear reebok tassels also latinos, blacks, filipinos latinos, blacks, filipinos, the asian pacific islanders islanders, iranians and a graduation for american indian. the only ones who don't have their own graduation are straight white males but only if by process of elimination. >> this is what i was talking about that carries over from president obama is politics the separation of the american pop of the -- population into a bag of marbles we are all separate it is all segregation that has done a lot of damage to american life it is to be

about associating on campus there is not a lot of diversity if you go to the student group people hang out like people like you when i was there i hung out with a lot of people in class then reid would gravitate to the french -- to the people that are like you those resources are another idea that is where i start to get upset. if we are to learn from one another with blacks or gays or asians then we are allowed to graduate together but when it comes time for the state-sponsored graduation and get in the same room together it is a writer of passage as human beings. >> host: you were 18 years old when you wrote porn

generation. >> i wrote to right after been a -- brainwashed to was about 20 years old it is about what i had seen on campus and monoculture -- i was upset with the culture that was a wash not only basic in morality but the imagery i felt was damaging to do teenagers and young adults. the culture that tries to inculcate the american adolescence that makes you feel you have a moral superiority if you are promiscuous as if you are a virgin there is a lot of pressure with culturally approved activities said generally involved exploring yourself that invariably means what your parents do not want you to do or to

take money from their account to do something they would not want you to do. so that is what i was saying with that. the sexual liberation of the american population ranging from pop music music, movies, magazines, a campus. >> host: you discuss the bill clinton monaco lewinsky affair? >> guest: that is interesting because there were actual studies done in the aftermath and it rose dramatically the president of the united states that somebody that participated in oral sought -- oral sex in the oval office that had impact with on a full generation of kids that a sudden they were told it was not actual sex but big sex and people imitate that to those that they think are

important in this culture and so you see that crossover have that impact on how people live their lives for growth everything you do in life has some impact we're not just a bunch of iceman walking around with no impact they all have the impact a spiritual, a great impact and a lifelong impact we'll do things to which we had not done but if we have a culture that tries to minimize those things then sometimes it is wrong a lot of times it is right that throwing it away willy-nilly is an exercise. >> host: portrayal of sexual activity of screen is not since the about telling faith a story or it looked like the behavior's but legitimizing behavior young routines are exposed to soft

pornography and there is a cultural result. >> guest: they give permission to do something powless if they decide suddenly it is okay to do activities and it wasn't before? maybe we have decided as a society it is located subsidize these activities with there is an impact the most obvious you could use is the impact of the culture's acceptance of single motherhood. of unwed motherhood and largely accepted. you may think that is good or bad but it is more common. in the black community when the civil rights act was passed the gun went motherhood wright was 32 percent of the 72 white it was low single-digit sell about 40 percent that is a big increase in a short period time largely due to a culture that has decided but is not important to

regulators such collectivity or almost vilified -- at least glorified that sexual activity is a wonderful thing if you have the boundaries of marriage but once you're liberated it just pulls a lot as a person and i thought this was the original feminist point that men should not act like p.i.g.s. unfortunately the feminist movement came along and noted friday that men act like p.i.g.s. now they said everyone should act morally. that has the market ramifications for women whose sex does affect them differently if they think it acts the same they are blind to the reality. >> host: you're watching booktv on c-span2. our monthly program caribbeacaribbea n by one author to come on and talk about his or her body of work this month of 39 author of five nonfiction books beginning with brainwashed

2004, report generation kinnell the next year. prime time propaganda 2011, and the most recent book is your police. he will be our guest the next to a half hours and we welcome your participation.

>> host: i want to go to new project president. you write many people believe our style of campaigning is broken. why should john kerry $1,000 haircut decides who holds the most powerful office of the face of fierce? should of politics be about politics and policy be the crux of the campaign elections? what is a matter of theory boat goldwater looked crazy when in the glasses? it matters. >> because this is to the nature for gulf fable argue with reality to the extent they argue against the wind but people make snap decisions on who you are thin and science shows this within one seconds if they like you or the one to hang out with you it is pretty

rare that now they want to be there friend if they first decided they hate you but this is why by the way why the democratic party continues to with and republican party has no clue of image making brought the bombing came down from the sky and gave the speech of the 60,000 people and john mccain hunched over a podium during the debate grip his microphone and image matters. the white house knows this that is why people make fun by an of obama for the teleprompter he is very smart he knows if you pull the camera back with two teleprompter as he is mocked that but at the same time his audience is not the essential to all those watching on camera he used

the teleprompter the iowa caucuses the fully tv produce candidates may be in american history but democrats have for a long time not only have a tremendous respect for hollywoodian image making bayous it were it is virtually every republican looks like the assistant high-school principal. >> but every president before him had a ranch is an oddity but reagan had a range then bush sr. had it although he did not use a very much obviously clinton had a ranch as well as george w. bush. they all had a role

dowager's needy greedy want to get a beer with them because they have experienced rugged life if you are mitt romney you come off nobody wants to have dinner with him. he is very nice really and i respect him a tremendous he is a very moral person but nobody looks at mitt romney on that screen with his hair that are brick would bounce off of to say he is down to earth who really understands people and that is what hurt him. his and it -- in a match with people thought of him. those that understood the troubles of regular folks. but then reagan got it was a great example even though bush lost the second election there he is talking lead in that has an impact

so i would always recommend every politician you might laugh at the image consultation but it will matter if you get on camera if you look like to have a dead cat there will buttress you. >> host: voters understood when they elect presidents the elect complete individuals so that means we worry about it we worry that you stand in experience and aids -- and aged decrepitude. we ask ourselves whether the candidate that it all seems so trivial it isn't. when to go back to your other point. about rethinking one minute? >> guest: is a problem of american politics also a human nature.

more often than not to that is why i am a believer in churchill -- as winston churchill was. the idea that remake those snap decisions if more candidates would focus on that here is the irony if we focused on the image making they all looked equally handsome then maybe we could get down to the politics of it. . .

i'm tougher than nails. it ended up really killing him. he proved out tough he was. he bought folks at lough beer and would swig beer in the rally. he would stand in the rain swigging beer with people and they would realize he's not an old guy. he's somebody like us. he likes beer. it's a matter in the 1840 it only increased in scope. once we reach the age of television when everybody is in your living room. you feel like you want to be friends with them more. >> host: finally. one other book we haven't talked about yet. prime time propaganda. start by telling us about your experience as a screen writer for tv.

>> guest: i started writing the book before i was interested in doing screen writing. it was the last thing i wanted to do. both my parents worked in hollywood. my expertised my mom does business affair. my dad composes for film and tv. both were in hollywood. my cousin is mara wilson. she lived a black away. the family was involved in the hollywood industry. that was something i discretely didn't want to do. my parent didn't want me to do it when i was a kid and somebody asked if i could be in a commercial. my dad said are you crazy? absolutely not. when i started writing the book what i did to dot book. it show you how people's bias. i called up folks in hollywood. i had written three books already. i had a syndicated column for ten years. i said, you know, i'm writing a book about the most prominent people in television. i'm a harvard law school graduate. i'm from los angeles i would like to interview. virtually all of them granted

the interview. i would imagine they saw a couple of things harvard, jewish name from harvard law school, lives in los angeles. got to be a liberal. 99% shot the person is going on the left. i did interview and go wear the harvard allow baseball cap. i would ask question faa a progressive viewpoint. instead of asking if they were stacking their shows with liberal propaganda like a right-wing. i asked if they felt they were infusing enough social justice perspective to the show. and that's how you get an honest answer. you pretended to be a friend or act as though you're on their side. and this is what is great about being a partisan journalist. i can do all that have. i went if and did all of that. one of the people i interviewed was leonard gold goldberg. he's behind charlie's angel and did the movie unknown.

a power house. an icon in the industry. we thit off. he's proisrael. he recognized i was proisrael. he asked me to go ahead and write up a pilot about harvard law school which i did. and leonard then we worked on it and went through several meetings. like every other project in hollywood eventually got shelved. i got an agent and the agent started getting some scripts i had written around town. one day i got a call from the agent and said we have a problem here. i said what is the problem? we have the spect script. for the good wife. and the producer i can't remember which show it was for. the producer is one of the major studio called us back and liked your script but googled you and said your political viewpoint and said i will never work with somebody of the political viewpoint. i was stunned by the honesty. i'm glad they were honest. at least they weren't lying and

saying the writing was bad nap is what a lot of folks in hollywood have to encounter. it was no skin off my nose. i make a living doing other things. it shows the extoant which bias in hollywood is accepted and dealt with on kind of a normal day-to-day level. people in hollywood like the university. you get job through people you for the most part. if your in the invited to the cocktail party it's a shot you're not going get a job on on the show. there's one spot left and t going go from a republican jew from north hollywood or a liberal hispanic woman and even close to equal liberal hispanicwoman is going to be getting the job. >> host: ben, how did friends, how does the big bank theory, how do they contribute to liberalism on tv if >> guest:

they are wonderful show. my swive a huge "friends" fan i bought all ten series. the writers are incredibly talented. in the way it contributes is inside use than normal micks people have the value shaped by the people they know. tv creates a set of friend for you. creates people want to hang out. you tune in every week unlike the family that stop by and bother you. people who are you going to change the channel to hang out. they have them do things you thought -- hay have people engage in behavior that was not particularly appropriate. then come the point you say i like that person. i like that person. that mean i have to approve of the behavior they're exhibiting. what is fascinating when disefts say the sort of thing they're portrayed as jerry faa with a and murphy browne.

he was raked over the coal. candice bergen agreed with him when joe biden said will and grace was a single step forward for the grey right everybody accepts that. it's true. joe biden is right and dane quail was right. hollywood has an impact. consciously or uncoachly. it's half and half. sometimes they to it hoshesly and put forward a are in narrative. when i talk to her about friend there was aless bee began wedding season one or two of the show. i said you know what prompted that. we had next door neighbors and they had a daughter and they wereless bee began. we wanted to make the daughter feel good. we wrote it in with politics in mind. of course. the writer's room is to the left.

some is unconscious. some of it is that sometimes -- writing a government villain from a, you know, for example liberal government or writing an terrorist as a villain. when "24" to explain americans that all muslims are not terrorist. we were going burn down mosque. this is what hollywood does. it's clever. it's very effective. it's why people's opinions have changed. it's why the single best argument for gay marriage is not even an argument. don't you have a gay member of the family? don't you have sympathy for the gay person? it's not an argument of the pro and con of gay marriage. you love the person therefore you should be okay with what they do. that's what tv is all about.

we identify -- just like any of the -- look, i think business does a tremendous amount in the country. i hate the villain on law and order justice as much as any other person if he murdered someone. it's very insidious. it's clever, t highly effective. and it's something that any informed viewer should know about as well as i think something that right -- the left perfected the art of story telling. president obama in a political way this is a fan taxable propertyic story teller. he likes to tell a story. it gets in the theme of bully a little bit. for phone on the left like president obama, every political issue is a story. right it's not a set of policies. it's not a set of evidence. it's not a proand con argument. it's a story. he's the white hat. you're the black hat. he's the good guy. you're the villain. by doing that that has a tremendous impact on the voting

population. the truth is all american voters vote no. they don't vote yes. they vote no based on what they don't like. just like ayu sympathize with the character you don't like. in "star wars" you don't care luke skywalker he's a behind any teen. that's why the open the movie with darth vader. you have an interesting villain strangling an innocent guy. when they get to luke here is the hero and kisses his sister. he's going to be he's the hero. this is your villain. painting the villain is what is very effective. to do it in television and used it in politics to tremendous effect the right continues to deather and pretended doesn't matter. >> host: prime time propaganda you write three words. i love television. is this a call to action for conservatives? >> guest:ic it i think it is. a call to action in a certain way. i watch a lot of television. i was a lost addict.

i like homeland. i'm -- there great canadian tv show. but, you know, conservatives need get active in the story telling medium. look at the crazy hollywood people and obama there with beyoncè and jay z. that is so ineffective. social security tillly. god uses story telling. t why god tells a story. all of genesis is the story. the five book those are all a story. all of the profit all a story. god uses stories for christians in the new testament. god uses parable. they are tremendously effective. they have emotional connection and more connection than paul ryan reading his budget plan at the table a briefcase.

>> host: ben is our guest for the next hour -- two hours and fifteen minutes. i want to begin with an e-mail we received from bill in washington. since left will not engage in a serious intellectual discussion with the quote, unquote, haters. do we point out the bullying tact.com broader public? >> guest: i think the important thing is to expose the tactic i.t. response it's not about attacking people as jerks because that's ineffective. what it is about is making clear what the magic trick is. they're arguing character instead of policy. arguing character instead of policy is a nahy thing. if you say they are racist and have no evidence they are racist. it makes you nasty. it's not wrong to say t nasty.

that's a necessary thing. the right has to do that on a regular basis. when somebody from the right appear on george steph no leadership in syria. that person is george, thank you for having me. i want to point out you're a man of the left. you portray yourself in -- clinton war room we understand you have certain principle you believe in. i'm a conservative you're a liberal. let have an honest conversation. the problem it destroys his entire credibility base. he wouldn't accept the premise. but that's something that needs to be done on a regular basis. be hob e. if you're on the left admit it. if you're on the right admit you're on the right i'm on the right. i'm journalist but i'm on the right i'm an opinion journalist. that means that i take a certain view of the issues and i make very clear upyou read my stuff you're going get a pretty good angle on who i am and what i believe. t important to point that out

especiallily it comes to media. when it comes to politics it's important to say they are race banding. t a that'sic tactic. you don't goat attack somebody's character without evidence. that's definition of being a nasty person. it nay have to show evidence why you're nasty. this is not something restricted to the broad are political world. the answer to that is that i'm not a nasty person. how dare you suggest that. you're nasty intolerant big got. show no evidence i'm antigay.

to suggest i disagree with you on matter of public policy i'm bad person. that make you a bad person. then question get it off the table. then we did get to the business of force policy good for americans. if we're going to be stuck in a political trap where one side argues character and the other side argues policy. characters always win. it's a more effective argument than policy. it almost doesn't matter what is policy. if you argue character you're going win off the bat. until the right acknowledges this it sounds like fighting fire with fire it is. so you to do that. you have to tug at the heart string. lopefully will be a mutually character off the table. let's figure out the best way to do it. >> host: what is your connection to andrew breitbart? >> guest: we have been friends far long time. i think i was 17 i got an

e-mail. he didn't sign his last name. i read your column in the ucla. he could go to west wood and pick up the paper and say who is the crazy right-wing write forking the paper. we got together at the taco joint. i couldn't eat anything. i watched him cho down while he talk about the media. we are friend for a solid ten years after that before he hired me at breitbart. right after he hired me about three weeks before he passed away. and when he hired me called it the longest quotation for political history. he was giving me advice. he was a wonderful human being. leaving his leaving aside his -- it was a tremendous populist.

"bullies" is dedicated to andrew. more than anything he disliked bully. he was not that conservative on a pot of policy. he didn't really care that much. when it came to fiscal policy hef interested but really not on a supremely deep level. he wasn't has been you would invite on to, you know, the abc news round table and discovering obamacare. andrew was somebody who understood the tactic of the left and making the argument. he understood pop culture and unhow regular folks think and why the right was losing the regular joes whim they were arguing. glias did you get your political leanings from your parent? >> guest: i would say absolutely. i think everybody's parents have a tremendous impact on them. i'm extraordinarily tight with my parent. i'm very tight with my dad. he's my best friend out my wife

and my father and i are very close. and he and my mom were reagan republican. they voted for carter in '76 and they voted for reagan twice. they voted for clinton because they didn't like bush selling to the saudi. they shifted back after they saw clinton trying to -- because they saw clinton was not as proisrael as protrayed himself to be early on in his campaign. so my parents were conservative. i grew up in a religious household. became more conservative as time went on as i informed myself about topic areas not really in my family ice wheel house economics. my family -- i would say that were more foreign policy and socially conservative than fiscally conservative. although just like everybody else in the country they're not huge fans of higher taxes. they're not economic guru. they didn't read milton free fremont. they brought us up in a very

patriotic way. my earliest themes are watching the musical "1776 ." and dress up it's rick the jewish equivalent of halloween. we address up. i used to address up in a john dammed. white wig, red coat, short stockings. the whole deal. you grew up with that pate jobbingic sensibility. it naturally inclined me to be conservative. >> host: is there a political split among orthodox jews as you say you are and nonorthodox. >> guest: absolutely. orthodox vote really heavy republican. they vote solid 80% conservative. they vote pretty much the opposite. they vote 90% democrat. there's a reason for that unfortunately most jews are not really connected to any of the that --

tradition. there's ethnic judaism. you're jewish. you care about judaism as a set of philosophies. that most jews do not believe in. they don't believe it. and fasting on yom kip or and considered a minority. a a lot of jews don't why the minority because they get special status in america for being a minority. they don't really have much to do with judaism beyond the culture aspect. are not religiously christian or

catholic t measuring a different measure than belief in judaism. traditional believing biblical jews they are -- usually cab bit and kosher. those twrot behavioral indicators. if you do those two things, then those people are the folks who are going vote at least 75 to 58% republican. and they do it for a variety of reasons ranging what has become it's an amazing transition and the republican party has been the proisrael party and it's moving away from the stronger proisrael position to range from that issue to issues of social mortality. the orthodox community is more conservative than the conservative reform reconstructionist community. and believe judaism is inherently about social justice rather than the standards laid forth in the mission of the torah and in the written torah. >> host: in your cool klum on breitbart.com. you talk about the president in syria. what is your take?

>> guest: there are three choices in syria. yes, no, and then the worst option available. president obama has chosen the worst option available. the yes would be going in and take out the assad regime. that's what it's about. why else. the weapons of mass destruction right lane was drawn as a warning and not even a warning to the syrian. 100,000 people have been killed. i don't know any people kill -- the point of the redline on weapons of mass destruction was a warning to the iranian. if you go in and lob a few crew missile and break a few things and assad stays in power and you do nothing else. you'll end up with the iranians being further in -- that's the worst of both position. if i'm on the no side, by the way. on the imre side, you know, is the argument against iran. my feeling is okay if you want to make an argument depose the iranian regime. you don't fight a approximatey

war with a country you could take in a heart beat. the united would defeat them. it would not a huge blood bath or vietnam. there's a viable opposition in iran which was stronger than the viable whatever opposition there was to saddam hussein in iraq. so i don't believe that we should be fighting a proxy war in syria. on the other side, you know, i don't understand what exactly the exit strategy is even if we take out assad. it if al qaeda is linked with the rebel all evidence shows they are. despite we have been sending gun. if al qaeda takes over there and we're worried about weapons of mass destruction and terrorists with chemical weapons and al qaeda takes over. al qaeda would be in charge of the chemical weaponses in syria. until we have an ability to take out all of the weapons of mass destruction in syria or the willingness to do that. it's a fool's -- >> host: ben shapiro is our guest. patricia in beaver, pennsylvania. good afternoon.

>> caller: good afternoon. thank you for taking my call. i'm a mother of five, and two of them in college. i a republican because of the social policy of life and respect of marriage so conservative i'm curious what has been the response of ben -- to the book he's put out there i think which are naming a -- [inaudible] i agree the democrats have been able to work the media because they know it's physical appeal that people look for.

it we sound like we are very shallow. >> host: thank you. >> guest: the response of young people has been pretty mixed. you have, you know, religious young people who fully agree with everything i say and you have young people who are libertarian and liberal in sort of their construction of these issues. i think what you see overall the american public and young people getting more pro-life and progay marriage. i recommended to folks who are socially conservative that the issue of marriage totally taken out of the realm of the government. i don't know a single person that got married for the tax benefit. i didn't get married because i thought it would look good on the property records. the whole point of getting married is the production of children and raising of children and unfortunately the right lost the gay marriage issue forty years ago and trying to hold on with the marriage issue. but the marriage issue was lost a long time and the statistics

prove it. the only time you win back is in the culture. i think folks on the right are warming up to them. i think they are young. i've never been a fan of the leftist any usual answer is i don't understand why 7-year-old should be making policy or have a federal ban on homework. when young people disagree with certain policy. i'm not sure it's evidence. social policy are bad so much the young people are impressionable and don't have tremendous life experience. 26 used to be eight years of the out military. a 26-year-old adult living at home and being under bureaucracy.

enclosed dependency. and the more dependent you are the less so you to worry about the consequence of your action. and judaism, with you hit 13 you are responsible for your own sense. in america, until you hit 30 you're not responsible for your own taxes. >> host: lest is in bay side, new york. you're on. >> caller: i would like to ask mr.sha -- shapiro. does had he think bill and rush limbaugh are bullies. >> host: stay on the line. >> guest: interesting question. ting depends on the circumstance. rush for the talk how he's a bully is largely responding. i would say russia was not the first person to start the attack on the other side. ic -- and i think that bill is much the same.

but i do think that, you know, rush and bill are very obvious about the fact they are opinion journalists, they are to folks on the right side of the aisle. i see them as the right equivalent to the chris matthews and the al sharptop on msnbc. that can be there. in term of the bullying i'm talking about. the name calling, you know, the not only the name calling the casting of dispersion on somebody's character for holding a political belief. i don't think rush and bill are bullies. if you have specific instances i would be happier to talk about those. >> host: a followup? >> caller: is ann could territorial-type a bully? i find you a -- to i agree with you we some people on the left are bullies. >> host: can you give an example where you see ben being a bully?

>> i don't know enough about him. i've heard about him before, but i the three people i cited are bullies. as well as to liberals. they are simply bully. and even bullies -- i don't know. less, as i said i truly believe that character attacks there has to be a mutual assured. if they were to surrender any -- the right is losing for specifically that reason. the left started the war on character. it it the right refuses to engage any war on character. people like ann and rush and me then the right is going lose. the right has to understand the character argument matter. and ann who has been a dwes on guest on the program.

ben's writer is smart, informative, and incisive. he's wise beyond the years without losing the refreshing fearlessness of youth. is she a friend of yours? >> guest: she is. she's a sweet heart. i've known her since i was 18. ..

>> known as a copperhead he was a presidential candidate in the modern era and michael dukakis was a terrible candidate and john mccain was horrendous. and top-10 this century is we have seen a lot of very bad candidates especially because now there gaffs are in front of us all the time. >> host: had jimmy carter go from soups to suits? >> once you go from charming peanut farmer from georgia

to the guy wearing sweaters in the oval office and lecturing americans on eric conditioners you go to a bureaucrat he was perceived as on this joe he won on the strength of one statement i will never liked you then by the time it was 1980 even if he never applied he was just not good at his job. , ronald reagan gave the contrast they acted though reagan was just in china of the time you saw a figure was far from sunshine he was pretty viciously attacking carter as someone did that know what he was doing a and opening danger to american lives for what he was doing to the soviet union he was not afraid to make attacks on jimmy carter -- jimmy carter also something people

forget of rated winning in 1880 that conservatives need to take into account bad economies helped liberals that is why fdr could win four separate elections for having the worst economy in american history everyone thought the gap was closing because of the iranian hostage crisis based on the economy he was well ahead so in the last election in cycle people were saying mitt romney he just has to campaign on a bad economy just point to barack obama to say he is bad economics. no. everybody it still has a job so for the most part they don't hurt democrats but help them what plagues them is lack of the enemy that before the soviet union it

was the glue is what stuck together what the fiscal conservatism opposition to the soviet union once they felt there was no existential threat than the three lakes and started to bicker a little bit but the soviet union was never the overarching threat it was always from the tyrannical bright in takeover the country but now you see that the was promulgated throughout the reagan years as well that is why they adapted so easily because now it doesn't have the enemy we will protect you but the enemy is conservatives they will not protect you from those dastardly conservatives to remove your ability to go all the you have the greatest black turnout or take away your condoms and that is why.

hillary clinton is pushing coulter id. she is picking up the talking points from barack obama and members of a certain leadership she picks up on these and portrays herself as a crusader on behalf of black rights although conservatives don't believe that. the more polarized america is in a country the easier it is as a disease say government has done all it can do they cannot insure equal all, but just equal opportunity and equal rights and then they cannot win in that situation. they have to have the ever-present threat that we are not restrained by government to hurt a lot of folks. >> host: ben shapiro is our guest.

>> caller: i would like your view on why you think black leadership is specially in the media never comments on the appalling statistic you quoted the 72 percent illegitimacy unmarried mothers. it seems to me when the 16 year-old who reads at the fourth grade level has a child, what chance does a child like that have been a society like ours? i would like your view. >> guest: i fully agree with that and one of the great tragedies of modern american politics is the refusal to look the real problems of every community in the face. the way it manifest with this perennial white racism

living from 30 percent down at 72%. that it had not been brigid a better way. that is the faults of a lot of people of politics to push the notion that you have to put the blacks in failing schools as opposed to those a certain behavior is preferable to others ended by giving extra money out of wedlock if you had has been in the home but if you have to link your idea that their actions and consequences but the left has separated the notion of consequences from the actions that preceded it. i fully agree the best thing that could happen is not only more freedom of choice with the schools they attend but more emphasis on family

values, for the white community also charles murray wrote a good book, though white community bisons the same values including the values of the unwed motherhood that is now 40% so it is pervading all committees it is a tragedy that only for our economic future of a tragedy for those children growing up in a whole without a mother or father. >> host: shapiro keeps talking about the black but i just year anecdotes'. >> guest: that is a pretty broad criticism but the unemployment rate statistics the unwed motherhood rates i have the statistics i can cite about gun-control. i truly reid instance -- and sicily i tried to argue a position from the left as well as the right if i don't know enough about an issue i try to stay out of it

because one of the big problems of american politics is the focus to have a the observer everything even when there is no answer portland oregon go-ahead. >> caller: i have returned to my conservative values and being in portland is probably a lot like being in california is all liberal democrats here. i tried to get involved with the republicans. i try to be republicans i try to go through the

republican party to meet people and to i can find anyone my age to get involved with a secure a -- conservative cause. >> host: you said he returned to your roots. why real liberal? >> guest: i went to the university of oregon and i fell into what mr. shapiro talked about with the indoctrination and i fell into that. i lost sight of my conservative values i was raised with and started to become more involved with the art scene in nymex communist and socialist and did not have a strong enough sense of self that i felt that i did not even learn

about those things so why would turn about communism or socialism it was very new to me. i felt i needed to really learn about it with these liberal values i felt that led me down the wrong path. >> host: we will leave it there and get an answer to one adducing go lot of young folks if you are not conservative by age 18 and a good chance you will be a liberal by a 21. most thing that people interested in getting the grades and partying it is easier to party if you buy into the mindset you don't want to talk politics conservative offense people because liberalism is the art of being totally offended so i think a lot of folks to go to college they don't want to offend it is easier to go along to get along if you want to get

involved you can e-mail us to get young people involved lasso lead an effort will be launching in a couple of weeks that is where i have turned the all out assault on the dubai as we would be happy to have your help and we love when young people get involved. i still consider myself a young person i on the sunshine side of 30 because they do think it is a mistake by the way i think it is also a mistake for the republican party to assume everybody age 18 will vote republican because they realize they will never get their social security check. that is not a winning argument. >> host: here is an e-mail from indeed year-old woman i believe, mr. shapiro, please talk more slowly. i am 80. i come from the totally

opposite viewpoint. we are more alike than modern society would acknowledge. >> host: have you been accused of talking fast? >> guest: everyone in my family talks quickly i try to slow it down i have tried valium but unless there is out of. i apologize i will try to slow it down. [laughter] >> host: sun city california. >> caller: thank you for you are a brash of -- a breath of fresh air i do agree about rock above the been the first fully trained media president and in that light he golfs and plays cards so people this sushi him from his policies. talking about syria i wonder this relates to benghazi and hillary clinton he is creating a story in the

public that these issues are more complicated than people realize and covering it up with decisions is difficult and therefore they could not have made any other choices that we can paint people on the right who want to look at the facts and a factual accounting portrayed as racist that just want to bring down the first black president. >> guest: i do think there is truth to that that president obama has avoided culpability for his own foreign policy is true when it comes to benghazi there's still a lot we don't know including the timeline of his own actions that night and we also don't know what was going on with that cia that disinformation may still have to find out. i think information is clear the president obama is released and four policy is a tremendous failure not only that has enabled the muslim brotherhood to make inroads as well as al qaeda

of one unifying factor is seems to be that everybody opposing the american interest is now in power. the muslim brotherhood in egypt, indonesia, in syria bull's-eyes are bad but al qaeda is with the rebels in turkey the is on this party took over during the bush and administration has become more radical since obama took power and the iranians have are more intrenched we have surrendered to the islamists and will surrender back to the taliban city is consistent to not serve american interests but as far as him being so image conscious he can continue to campaign as an outsider even as he is president of the united states is brilliant politically to be a president never be held accountable but to blame congress and the media, a tea party and everybody else except for you to blame all the people that surround you in for me to sit there and taken i think we are beginning to see the first

glimmer of the media being unhappy with that of course, the second directly assaulting a the media in order for them to start carrying they are again are an institution they care most but i think the american people are starting to wake up but i do fear the cult of personality that has been built up around obama the purpose will attempt to build that up the 2012 s dnc was one of the sickest political events i have ever seen in the sense it was almost like a political illness. people can support his platform but the first and were shipped was frightening the democratic donkey was nowhere to be seen but the obama symbol his face there is even as statute the personal following she has developed made 40 percent of

the population 35 percent will back him no matter what he does when jimmy campbell does the of routine that they support all of mayor ron neece position they say yes with the bombing that just shows how little they think of this stuff and that is a problem we back people instead of policies? it is our obligation to get more informed especially given the dangers we face in the world. >> host: are there closet conservatives behind the scene? >> guest: absolutely. hundreds of them. absolutely. they are discriminated against when they come out. it is much harder to be a conservative in hollywood day and gave. not even close. they still assembly races but there is not homophobia and there is tremendous anti-religious sentiment that is more prevalent.

when i wrote prime-time propaganda one of the folks was patricia heaton she is set aside as the unnamed source was talking to me i said have you ever been discriminated against in hollywood? she is the star of everybody loves raymond. a very talented actress. she has been working consistently about 15 years she said know i never felt that. she is a conservative especially on social issues very pro-life. in fact, people have attacked her entertainment weekly attacked her specifically for being pro-life to suggest for conservatism and used the middle and perverting the show. but patti said to me she felt she had been discriminated against and call me back and said i called around town and it turns out i have lost jobs

because i am open the conservative and she said police cite me as the unnamed source because i'd like not to feel that steen of discrimination again and she gave out later but i did that to protect her as the unnamed actor in the book so either the big-name actors are discriminated against although it is easier once you are big if your claim to east would you will not but you will if you are low level because they are easier to come by than clint eastwood. >> host: does your political advocacy for your parents in the entertainment world? >> not so far but my mom is very apolitical our kids see it has hurt him too much i try to get my family separated from my own career basie them on a fairly regular air basis try to

protect their privacy and it is a profs business but that is why i don't talk about what my sisters do or who they are. >> host: wife you get death threats? >> guest: specifically because of my positions. even after i suggested with the political agenda there were a couple of people you treated my home address and people don't like it when your particularly outspoken. there is nothing more file in eddie setting based on people's politics but you just put a shotgun under your bet. >> the left does not appear to be bullies in my opinion they are looked at as the hopeful party. question. how can the right change their perception and

likability with many of the policies they want to regulate or change are deemed to be helpful to the masses like section 8? the language there is telling the whole party means by default part -- to fall under the republican party? the anti-helpful party the party there hurts people that is a dangerous position for any party. the republican party needs to make the case on a regular basis not only and did not helpful but incredibly colorful and how well intentioned because the republican party said you have good intentions you are just wrong with the democratic party never makes the case the you just take people of that is why you believe the crazy things because if you didn't hate those people he would this do that it is time for the republican party to recognize box of the left don't have good intentions if you are in los angeles

right now and talking up holding of the black kids to get out of the of the u.s. the viewer called the department of justice to link the city of new orleans because you think 500 black kids getting vouchers destroys the composition of the school district not only are you not helpful but there is a nasty and militias sullivan at a certain point where i have said ignorance become sid nuclear policy is still working and you made a mistake but after 50 years when the communities are devastated you have to wonder about the intention is a willful blindness or maliciousness but either case republicans need to start arguing on character we need to recast ourselves there is no way you can. you are with other people say about you the same for

democrats is democrats are republicans say they are well intentioned better not a good about their job but republicans are a bunch of warmongering thugs to harm children and kill people and the more american voter that is more concerned about my early cyrus them the latest revision of obamacare will go with general feel his help those people'' had we feel? what do i think? is sometimes there is the post facto justification. >> host: should smiley cyrus be allowed to network onstage? >> -- onstage. >> decide to use those strakes i am not a huge fan of government in regulation

i talk about local communities which is different for federal censorship but with tva think the most obvious target should be the advertisers that is what they went after john kennedy and rush limbaugh did they have gone after local people of the right by going after the advertising base to do a truth revolt what i am working with david horowitz to look at instances like the companies that target viewers and say to the dual understand there is a counter effect to you putting up the cash so she could shake her booty on television there is the effect of that and the effect on you and this is what happened in hollywood between 1930 and 1960 the hays code was voluntarily imposed everybody thought it was mccarthy was voluntarily imposed because the catholic

decency boycotting the hollywood in mass numbers and they decided they understood where their bread was buttered they decided to use the market power instead of drive opinions. >> host: you write about the motion picture association of america saying that those that rate the programs don't tell us to those people are really know who was on the board. >> when they say pg-13 we don't know who makes that call when you see the y seven they used to having think they do the age that is appropriate that is made by some arbitrary group we have no clue who they are parents should be aware that the rating system is only good as the body. moody's is better than the local dogcatcher down the street so it is worthwhile

to recognize trusting hollywood to police itself is not the best way to go about doing things it would of the most in the action league free screen shows because they know what glad initiating boycotts this is something they're right needs to pick up on the use of market power it was the solution that seems to be counterproductive. >> host: you have been very patient you are our booktv the. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. i wish you would address the hypocrisy i'd like the obama for instance the admitted drug use but yet they still maintain policies that are locking people up.

a lot of the higher ups even clinton was involved in the book no one left to fight to they said basically he was a rapist and these higher-ups' get away with tribes that if a normal person did it they would be locked up yet they are not held accountable echoes of laid-back to vietnam's in johnson was never held accountable. the other thing if you ever heard of a book called three being obama? he is a harvard professor. the reviews claim that. >> host: dick for calling. >> guest: i don't know that book but about various politicians getting away

with tribes that they condemn i am never a big fan of hypocrisy when they say you are a hypocrite that is not what it people to really think it is. but locking people up for crack cocaine did he is said hypocrite but that he was doing it in high school is irrelevant to his policy the same way that somebody was screwing around during woodstock in 1969 is no relevance to teenage sex now. you to even maintain the believe what you're doing is wrong at the time you do it i'd like that hypocrisy argued in general but all the politicians get away with normal things that is absolutely true. the obama administration if it existed in the corporate world there would have been

prosecuted many times for all the scandals they have been involved in india on its position has gotten out from under that. not unique by any means the incentive has taken that to a new level with the criminality with big gauzy and fasted serious and all the things speak to the level of executive power and said they pushing off of low-level employees that never magically exist. steel bobby administration is a very much like a mafia organization the boss doesn't have to know the local level just to bid him of the priest and somehow he is god. >> host: bridgewater do jersey's. >> caller: i did join young americans for freedom

in then was at berkeley during the student uprising i am very familiar with the left and i have 2.0 to you your problem is the sale of the left to speak the safeway by inventing the other person distributing motive said ideas for example, the president of the anti-defamation league was saying that christians are anti-semitic because they are jealous of the jews being god's chosen people. he could just say that and that could be his opinion republishes that that he calls the anti-defamation league in the same way much as you push these images of the other side. the safeway the communist used to do. it is exactly the same that is why it is no more

meaningful dialogue. we had a meaningful dialogue at berkeley in the '60s italy deteriorated because students became attracted to other things. you're not a fancy a culture to understand the complexity you would be a criminal in the u.s. position but if you really understood the need for dialogue you would not be speaking like a leftist. >> host: i think we got the point let's get an author one dash in a different author ben shapiro >> guest: but to say the hell you did the idea there was a tremendous debate about the left and right is nonsense it was taken over by the left to the point governor reagan had to send in tanks its use terrorist methods to takeover government that is then

expelled by force that this was a democratic uprising it was a wellspring of criminal laws of and completely perverted the american political system in negative ways that people have been calling each other names that is the case. jefferson and adams would go at each other tooth and nail through the election of 1800 it is not anything new to suggest character attacks but are they largely relegated to one side and i don't believe someone starts a fistfight and some real sponges back those are equivalent i will say responding fire with fire is not the same as starting the fire in the first place like bill reilly and ann coulter and my answer is i did not start this fight but one of the things my father said never start the fight but as somebody else does come to finish it. >> host: ben shapiro is the author of five books. brainwashed was the first.

porn generation and the next year 2005. project president 2008. prime-time propaganda 2011. his most recent book bullies here is a quick look at some of the books that ben shapiro is currently reid the and some of his favorite books.

>> host: ben shapiro who is debbie? >> guest: my fourth grade teacher icecap to redgrave's i skipped third and ninth when she was the fourth grade teacher the class i skipped into a and she really gave me the best single piece of the advice that i had ever received that she said don't but it be written on your tombstone but it is hard work and drive and determination turning potential into something relevant that matters settled the the prodigy by the somebody that does something instead of that nine attend into me that it better deeply because as a young this syndicated columnist i'd

never try to make a big deal out of that because i always knew that the nice and not they staying in to not be 17 for very long at a certain point i would grow out of that prodigy that might merit would have to stand on their own to c-17 gerald's right is a shock. >> host: public or private schools? >> guest: back and forth cater for in the acidulous k through four and i skipped three then at a jewish private school five a and six then back publican school 78 at walter reed junior high at the magnet program also in l.a. that i skipped ninth grade high-school been 101112 was a private jewish state school that ucla is a

college is a public-school. >> host: how old were you at ucla? >> guest: i was 16. it was fine most of my friends now are 50. [laughter] i get along very well with people of all ages in an alito i've about to hit 50 -- 30 i have friends my own age. >> host: and harvard law school of right out? give a straight from one to the other g-7 you graduated? >> guest: i was 23 in 2007. >> host: is writing books your main occupation? >> guest: i have several i get up at 530 every morning to do the morning radio show in a lawsuit angeles it is called the morning answer there is a liberal guy and a conservative cal and i am the one that wholesale the

intellectual fort so i do that between 60 and i finished my shift that i drive home and editor-at-large for herb gray bar dues i do that most of the day then i am just starting up to revolts i have mentioned a couple of times and then when that happens devil split time between bright part those kind of feed each other and both companies are semi together in friendship that i i you write the books and take my wife out to dinner. >> host: you told us some news about your wife to where she is pregnant. that is very exciting she is due january 24th. i am struggling to you get through my book that will come out early january this signing date was august 1 the due date is october 1 so that is moving real fast

when want to try to get out before the baby is born then all bets are off i will be at home with my wife and my baby and i know my life and changed dramatically so now was a time to work 70 hours a day because when the baby is born i am predicting i will be dealing with the baby 17 hours a day. >> host: what is the next book about? >> guest: the title is yet to be decided tentative is abuse of power about the abuse and -- obama is ministration that in many ways is a criminal enterprise is responsible for criminal violations ranging from that would be termed involuntary manslaughter "fast & furious" over surge in the espionage that was a gun running regina's rand paul has adjusted -- suggested through a the consulate to

syria. on september 11 attack on september 14 the single largest shipment laded from libya in turkey which was the go-between. many theories as to why it was attacked but there is pretty solid evidence that the guns that were there we're sought by the terrorist that attacked the and gauzy consulate. that is typical of not wanting to let the cat out of the bag we don't want to look weak or that al qaeda is still a functioning force trying to look at my a is what this policy. >> they are wonderful. i am glad to work with them again. in the past regular payback

to know said harpercollins incited schuster. >> host: as of the writing done at home? >> guest: in some cases i do research for prime time propaganda i did on-siteintviewe wave of the future don't buy commercial rea everybody will work from home this had been issued to spend time with family and not wait for the next meeting. >> host: to get pushed back come on primetime propaganda? >> guest: not too much. my sources were pigsty did not tell them i was conservative up front but i felt no obligation because the question is the same serious and should theoretically be the same regardless of who is asking its i tried not to bury my answers they are as a chicken they did in the way i wanted to be whether strident or not.

depending and who was asking the question. i did think that was a relative the criticism. i am very meticulous about taking all the interviews i do in getting permission so in fact, when i interview i insist they be taped because i don't want to be misquoted that is the best friend of anyone who wants to be quoted correctly. >> host: what was harvard law school like for you? >> guest: i really loved it had a good time publishers wanted to write me to a harvard law book because i said noah -- said no because for the most part -- for the most part even though the faculty was to the left one of the people who wrote me a recommendation i worked at a law firm was the secretary of labor attempted nominee of bill clinton so far to the left talk down by a

democratic senate. she is very open about her opinions and is very nice guy was also closed with a professor there named parker i love talking with folks on the left it cannot living cambridge or l.a. otherwise. i cannot speak tie the nfl even had death few ragged with future justice cake in the first time i talk to her she was 18 she fell at the ice skating rink. the first-ever talks with the dean we were at the introductory dinner in a typical room at harvard law school everything is mahogany and it is ridiculous and she sat down at the table and i said is this a beautiful room the looks like a haunted mansion before it was haunted issue and gave me a look like i

killed the kitchen then we moved on but we had some minor run ins when she tried to fight against the amendment you tried to throw off campus so i a made public king got into a slight cpac. >> host: posting on the facebook page please ask him the status of the lawsuit against his so-called new site. >> guest: i do not want to comment for the good reasons but i do know the lawsuit is still ongoing but i am not personally involved was not involved with the company at that time. i am happy to talk about shirley was my own opinion because they do andrew but i will leave that to the company into those who were involved at the time. >> host: what is your opinion? >> guest: andrew posted

what was the best of all wonder video here is a rich old column takahashi had redeemed herself in that story in the point of the original story was going after chairing for those folks in the crowd and 20 andrew did this he was focused almost completely on the slurs of racism against the tea party so one of the ways he came back on that to save the naacp cleaving racism has members other racist that is what that piece is about as a that is my opinion that happened with shirley sure rocked. >> host: in new jersey your on with ben shapiro. >> caller: hello. you mentioned o'reilly also also michael savage with the exception of rush limbaugh all the others they

interrupted the people that have good remarks you cannot even get the point of the callers if you invite people:let them talk. russia was very polite but nobody one month ago sunday go to e-mail. apparently had no answer and does not like to be bested so he comes out with a crude remark you need help. today to me that was the ultimate of hypocrisy a shut him off and now will but listen to all right. just for the record my last name is shapiro i am the author of three novels in french. that is your show. not mine. that he does not like to be bested. >> guest: no particular response the entertainment

business is the entertainment business i did not hear the call but how he deals definitely differs i know what to comment on one in this pacific coast of i don't know the particular circumstance but when i talk with folks we take calls on the shows when we have the ability i enjoy engaging in the conversation as much as possible it is no fun if nobody gets to say anything. >> host: this is a tweet from john armstrong what kind of stories can a conservative film producer told to respond to the juggernaut without being preachy? >> good good story. what the left does then the very smart about this as opposed the worst the left does is to make the greens or promised land any time

they get very preachy and angry and it turns into a diatribe about politics in america that is the worst. what is the most effective for the left with a try to tell a story that involves a bunch of leftist values like "avatar." and what is most effective to tell a great story that just happens to be conservative if you're not watching for you will not notice it. it is there a fabulous example start tonight arises it is said diatribe of the french revolution even a mock trial seen it is fantastic. there are folks that said "the dark knight" was a conservative movement would be but the lives of others was not meant to be a conservative movie but talks up the dangers of the overarching government monitoring over activities is a german movie is a wonderful film. the key to telugus story to make politics secondary as opposed to i will get his

point across here is a story i will build around this particular point he the with the left does that they're not very good if you watch "all in the family" that show was written as an issue showed norman their talks about this we will do abortion this week summary's relations, it doesn't hold up if you're watching now it is not for anybody if you watched dick indyk it is still funny because it wasn't trying to be political even family ties is better than all of the family. tell a good story first and entertain first and allow the politics to flow in with the natural fashion as opposed to ram it through but conservatives with entertainment they have to have of the brain it is entertainment or political just like a dolphin only switches one half of the brain when the entertainment side is on they will watch big bang theory and all the other shows when it comes to

a lecture and to talk to conservatives what shows to you watch the entertainment side is off they don't watch anything but bible stories and ronald reagan biopics and it is not realistic. it is a bizarre situation we are not producing any content. for as much as we love you have to reach a 21 year-old in a different way. but any movie ever produced. >> host: this e-mail is from david so the liberals have taken over the vast majority of universities how did that happen and how did american conservatives allowed themselves to be overwhelmed surrendering so much ground to the left? of a helpless? >> i do think that i don't think they're right has been incompetent when it comes to

the university system is started in the '30's and there was tremendous socialist pressure within the university system abkhaz fdr drew heavily from the university system the progressive movement that started nearly as it were dash early 20th century there is reason woodrow wilson was a professor they started off very early hit got worse it started off in the progressive era say you have to go back a long way in under the banner of populism not the same divide the why they have not taken it back is folks on the right typically don't see politics as a business this is why when you looked at those folks on the left even if you look objectively those on the democratic platform above the second

pick who would spend their entire life even mitt romney would not spend his entire life in politics he was a businessman the difference could be summed up in the thought experiment if they could just the with -- left alone there would be happy to do that if they resist a conservative country we do our thing you do yours we just had the pro-life issue

we're happy if you leave us alone don't come after a surcharge to regulate as we don't care conservatives would be happy but liberals immediately try to catch them because government is the business and it is what is right to it and of itself be a very good because the rights don't spring from god the government to issue rights they come from a vast government that has decided what you are allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do as opposed to the john locke o his view is that the government to issue rights so the left believes that and has a self contradictory view and on the one hand it was not there we repeat murdering each other but if it was said it is perfectible we could turn into perfect human beings the right has the clear view of human nature riches we

have a capacity for good or evil but in "the federalist papers" to talk about "x-men" were good no government would be necessary if there were evil though government could stop them from one there what to do anyway that is a crystal clear view of human nature unfortunately people have been termed by the lefty they're completely bad or completely good kid really unable to shape the nature it is determinist view that undergirds girds the framework with sexual orientation the same way as raised by treating sexual behavior the same way that if you are engaged in activity that is the same thing as being black. it a democracy nobody cares about what is in your haired orientation is not always talk about if you talk about

a marriage talk about behavior people once a lot of things it is not a crime. the difference comes down to that fundamental feeling it is capable of have been given a tremendous power. >> host: the next call is from vermont. hello. >> it is so good to hear you speak you have a brilliant mind i am praying you will be our first jewish president. [laughter] i have two quick questions. do you think there is any possibility that obama will ever be impeached? and who'd you see as being successful or your choice as a candidate in the next election for president? >> guest: he will not be impeached.

republicans stopped to see him as the root of all evil he is 100 year growth that is slowly taking over the country. the first thing the conservatives have to do is acknowledge they lost they keep pretending they want. we lost we live in a corporate system we live in a country that is police socially conservative but one that is quickly moving to the left on social issues we understand that uphill battle in to siphon it to move obama he is the bad guy just imagine if he were impeached, joe biden takes over how is he materially different except he is even less competent? joe biden has the same prescription so does hillary clinton so it is a broader movement but with the 2016

race there are interesting candidates ted cruz, rand paul, alan west somebody whose image matters now somebody who cuts an interesting figure there are others like the governor of indiana he is laying low but i hope he throws his hat into the ring but one thing is for certain in order for the party to win again they have to overcome one is a tremendous technological disadvantage and we have to nominate somebody that is willing to draw a start question -- contrast between the liberal and conservative movement. republicans are not going to win the claiming they can run the government better than the left. nobody can feel this government has to be taken down in the past to be sure in to and controlled.

the idea that government is just a tool to be wielded by anyone equally and maybe we are better at managing decline be still manage the decline if government grows at this rate. >> host: wire you currently reading the rise? >> it looked optimistic i have not spending enough time reading it yet to tell you if i am agreed but the idea of a larger print your ears it sits in the knowledge of power that we have to incentivize people to move out what traditionally was seen as the job-creating industries and manufacturing and now the fast-food industry and move into the production of ideas and creative notions the true heroes in america, it is not to hurl

eric to go out and get a job to support your family that is normal. but it is to risk everything you have to bring in new product to market to make billions of lives better. bill gates is much more valuable than mother teresa and not to say she was not a cheap wonderful human being but she changed the lives of the eyes of people but the entrepreneurship has been abandoned in the view is that abettors everybody and capitalism is a great out juristic experiment when they talk about creative destruction that does not resonate because capitalism is not about destruction maybe things get destroyed but that is not what capitalism is. it is the greatest altruistic experiment on behalf of power and diversity of human history.

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