reagan. >> host: an e-mail from david, liberals have taken over the vast majority of the university's. how did that happen? how did american conservatives allow themselves to be overwhelmed, rendering sell much ground? ..

>> the democratic platform from the 2008 campaign, you are looking at the best and the brightest and a group of folks highly educated and highly intelligent. pillory clinton is a very smart woman. joe biden is not an idiot by any stretch of the imagination. you go over to the right side of the aisle, and you are looking at folks who are out at second everybody's second. no one there is what you call

list. if someone you couldn't we vote for, someone who would spend their entire life in politics. the difference between liberals and conservatives, most of them, if they can just be left alone by the government and everyone else, they would be happy to do that. if they were just a conservative country and say that we are going to do our thing and you do your thing, we will do our thing and you do your thing. we are happy, you leave us alone, don't taxis or come after us. we are not going to care. consumers will be happy with that. liberals will immediately try to tax the conservatives. because this government is the business. the growth of government is in and of itself an inherent good. rights spring from the government. your rights come from a vast government that has decided what you are allowed to do and what you are not allowed to do. as opposed to the national

natural rights that the government is instituted to protect. and the other theory is that the laws have to be there wellesley birder each other. on the one hand, if the government weren't there, it would be a totally different outcome than human beings have the capacity for good and the capacity for evil. this is what the founders talked about. madison talked about if men were good, and if men were evil, no government can stop people from doing what they wanted to do anyway. that is a crystal-clear view of human nature. unfortunately what has been lost in america is the idea of human nature. people have been termed by the left either completely bad or completely good.

really unable to shake their nature and it's almost a biologically determined view. almost like surrounding in treating sexual orientation the same way as race. by treating sexual behavior same way as race. but if you are engaged in this activity, that's the same thing as being black, which it is not. one is an activity in what is being black. in a democracy, no one cares about what is in their head. they're talking about what is in your mind and a lot of people want lots of things in their mind. and it comes down basically to what constitutes the human and whether the human is capable by other humans who have been given us tremendous power by even more humans. >> host: the next call is sarah from vermont. >> caller: hello, it is so good

to hear you speak. you have an absolutely brilliant mind and i'm praying that he would be our first jewish president. i have two quick questions. one is do you think that there is a possibility that obama will ever be impeached, and then number two, who do you see as being successful or your choice is a republican candidate in the next election for president? >> host: go had an answer. >> guest: as far as president obama goes, there is no way that he will be impeached. conservatives keep pretending that they won, they lost. we live in a corporatist system. we don't live in a country that is fully socially conservative, but one that is quickly moving to the left on social issues.

we understand the uphill battle that we have to fight. and really centering on president obama as having the the bad guy. imagine for a second that obama were impeached. joe biden takes over. how is joe biden materially different from barack obama other than he's even less competent than the president. joe bob by then has the same joe president in a way. allen west is a very interesting guy, he is someone, if image matters, unless it's somebody who cuts an interesting figure, some other folks might talk about the governor of indiana. governor pence. i'm hoping he throws his hat into the ring. and over for the republican party to win again, one is they

must overcome a technological disadvantage that they demonstrated in 2012. plus we have to nominate someone who is willing to draw a stark contrast in bold colors between conservative and liberal movement. republicans are not going to win by claiming that they can run government better than the last. they should view government like the ring from lord of the rings. this government has to be taken down a peg. it has to be shortened and curbed. it has to be controlled. the idea that government is just a tool that can be wielded by anyone equally, and that republicans are better at managing things, maybe we are better at managing american decline, but you're managing a decline salon is government continues to grow at this rate. >> host: why are you currently reading "the whys of the creative class"? >> well, i think that it fits in

with what george gilder's ideas have been about. that we have to incentivize folks to move out of what is traditionally seen as the manufacturing industry and move into the productions of ideas and creative notions. if that's really what changes the world. the true heroes in america -- i don't think that it's a heroic to go out and get a job for your family. that's normal. you have to do her family. but i do think it's the road to risk everything you have to bring a new product to the market and risking everything you have very difficult. but bill gates, as an example, is responsible for changing the lives of many people. entrepreneurship fetters

everybody. capitalism is a great alters the experiment in human history. it is a term that does not resonate with folks. it's not about the structure, there may be things that get sent along the way. but that's not what capitalism is. they are the greatest ultra sick experiment on behalf of tolerance and diversity in human history. there's a reason. he thought that he could make money off of him. when it comes to bringing new products to market, this is another idea. we won't get to the iphone number 12 would keep removing the money for the folks who create the iphone. the beautiful thing about capitalism is that is inherently alter us to.

socialism is about the idea, i will starve you if you don't to me something that you want. sort of like this great moral good is a lie. cabell is on forces you to the point to go out and create for you and your family and for the other person that you're dealing with. volunteerism and opting in is the root and true freedom. tierney is what we are moving closer towards every day. >> host: what was your major, is a question from a viewer. >> guest: i started off as a philosophy major and decided that wasn't practical enough and then went to political science. i was a political science major for three out of the four years

at ucla. reason was because the classes were easy and it wasn't enough. then after i finished political science and i decided i was going to go to lost school, the reason is because my mom worked business affairs and she thought about going to law school and she suggested i go and take the lsat. i went ahead and took the time i did really well, i got into harvard law comic if you get into her locker me don't say no. the day before i went, though, i didn't want to go. then i said there's no way i would be a lawyer. i was right, but it was a wonderful experience and to change the way that i thought a lot of ways. a more rigorous and i loved it. it was a broadening experience that i really enjoy. and it is something that i am certainly glad that i did. >> host: victor in manhattan beach, california. good afternoon and good morning to you. >> caller: yes, good morning.

on major holidays, google changes their homepage logo to commemorate famous people. and at one point they changed the icon from jesus to hugo chavez, kind of giving us christians a slap in the face. so what does a nice jewish boy like you think about this. >> guest: as far as me who is a nice jewish boy to defend christianity, i would say that jesus was also a nice jewish boy. but i've always felt that judeo-christian religion is the wellspring of reality in this country. as a society becomes more secular, freedom for jews who go on the wayside with freedom for

christians. we are beside a move for the california summer that would strip nonprofit status from any religious youth group that discriminates on sexual orientation and gender. so i believe that when we discard religion and religious saudis, including christian values, this is largely a christian country. we are shooting ourselves in the foot. what was the second half of the question? >> host: google and easter and people in their writings. >> guest: okay, i appreciate it when folks use market power. google is a private company can do whatever they want. they are making folks aware of google's football stands, it's something that i think is well worthwhile and allows us to make informed decisions the same way that if there is a website that the left doesn't like to use it or not. >> host: to the large corporations like google benefit from government regulation. >> guest: absolutely, absolutely. there's an absolute reason and

the government picks winners and losers based on whether those folks are friendly to them. the president of the united states goes to certain companies that promises to them based on how many people they hire, and this was the new business plan, that'll give you a tax cut if you hire transcend. >> that makes sense. >> if you hire my friend, i will help you. it's why you see a continued growth in correspondence between facebook and google.

thomas edison said that he basically made this in the view of an economic czar deconstructivist. american people are inherently capitalistic, but they are money oriented. they will go after grab bag of cash because their motive is that. businesses can be in the wrong side as well. the tea party in the occupied movement were supposed to point out the crony capitalism is bad. and so they marched on wall street, which makes no sense. if you're going to march on crony capitalism, go mart on the folks that were collected. >> host: his first book is "brainwashed: how universities indoctrinate america's youth." science and religion bolster one another, he said. the more we learn about the world in which we live, the clearer it becomes that there must be a divine planner.

professors don't think so, science and religion are completely at odds with one another. god is not a master designer, everything is an accident. >> guest: that is the point of many secular folks on the left. that's the basis for functioning of western civilization in some ways. i truly believe it science and religion are not in conflict. they are part of the fireball that are metaphorical. if god created both, as i believe as he did, they should not be in conflict. the impact of the believe in biological determinism and the lack of free will, the best proof of religion to me is the idea that i did make a decision without it hanging over my life and that is proof that i exist beyond just my simple biology. folks on the left, not all, but some who believe that if you have a giant computer somewhere in new input all information about the uniforms on trent

university environment in biology and physics, you end up with -- you can tell i'm going to scratch my nose because everything is biologically determined. the problem is the concept of responsibility is entirely foreign to the idea of biological determinism. we cannot run a society that way. if you think that free will is a legal fiction, most people, the vast majority of people who think that it is a legal fiction is a creation of your own conscience. even those folks will at a certain point you're speaking in language of responsibility because it is built that human beings are responsible for their own actions. you can ask questions about whether god is just whether everything that happens in life is done for a reason. those are legit questions. and my own belief, i believe god wants us to ask those questions

is proof that you believe in heaven can ask those questions. judaism is a question of religion. but what i think what is damaging to individuals and society at large is the idea that in a universe without a god, it exists in the same way both morally and physically. >> host: bill beatty tweets and to us about what are your thoughts of the rs grifter brass the tea party. is it political or a routine regulatory issue? >> guest: it is purely political and that's nothing new. fdr had a program and jfk have a special division of the irs that was designated to target people politically. do not be fooled, there are a few liberal groups also were talking. 75% of the groups when his political enemies and then he threw in another 25%. this has been true for very long time. but the irs has been used as a

proxy, bill clinton did that routinely. income tax is a ridiculous thing. what is the government know more about me than either? of a national sales tax, there are many other types of taxes that can be implemented that would not involve the government having to force me to voluntarily proclaim everything that i spent this year. having and assuming that we have good intentions on the part of the bureaucrats mass, their bureaucrats like everyone else. there is no great and wise all-knowing, all being called the government. it's a bunch of people that couldn't work at the dmv or irs, they are normal people that make the same mistakes and they are taking your money and that is the only difference. >> host: of people were to buy one of your books, what would you recommend? >> guest: in terms of will book,

i recommend bully ploys. i believed from the best books ever written on television because it's really in depth. and if you want a beach book, i recommend "project president: bad hair and botox on the road and o the white house." it's like asking me to choose between i'm not one to children, i love all of the books i have written. some are more difficult to write than others. the poor generation was particularly difficult to write. i'm not a fan of smut. it was spiritually dirty to have to do that material. but i felt it was an omission in that needed to write the book. that was definitely the most difficult on the spiritual and moral level. >> host: bill king tweets us. conservative and leaves you alone among but that does not apply to women and gays and

non-christians, does it? >> lets go through these one at a time. conservatives don't care what women do. and conservatives are not interested in having their hands on a woman's body in terms of desperate that's why we don't care about a woman's stomach or her legs. as many parts of her anatomy that we don't care about government regulated or do we care about is what is inside them, the child is growing. the abortion debate is very simple. you believe it's life they believe it's not. the same as a kidney in some ways. if you believe it's alive, it's fundamentally immoral to kill it. whereas it's fundamentally evil, in 1847, that you can live next to a slave owner. the women has many rights to choose. it's about her right to kill something that is growing inside

her. it's easy to say right to choose, but many choices came before the point where you are now killing what is inside of you. i have said i am an advocate of the government that is out of the business of marriage entirely and i think about is the direction of the republican party should move. i've never been an advocate for regulation of what gays do in their own personal life. the most nonsensical position on the right that i have found is gays should be allowed to adopt the position and get married. it's idiotic, if anything it should be reversed. concerned about two dudes living together, then you are an idiot. and as far as the third one, precisely the opposite. it is secularists are seeking to regulate christians. and they are insisting that they serve a christian wedding spirits of supreme court in new mexico that orders a christian photographer before us to

photograph the a same-sex marriage in new mexico or gay marriage isn't legal. that is where the last is radical when it comes to religion. we are watching in real-time the death of freedom of religion in this country not as coming from the left. the idea that non-christians are persecuted is precisely the opposite. >> host: next call from kurt in indianapolis. >> caller: good afternoon, gentlemen. i would like to thank c-span for allowing mr. shapiro to be so interested in how exciting it is to be curing his viewpoints and opinions. the question is how does he see people like me that are of the tv generation, and how he voices his opinion over the internet,

across his generation and how does my generation learned to use that to become aware of what his generation is thinking. >> guest: what we are watching is so exciting. there's so many more options for information being created every day. it is truly amazing to watch. but when you are bringing up children come you have to very carefully monitor what it is exactly what they are looking at. appearances to show us old movies. we were big fans of old movies. i grew up in black-and-white movies. and i grew up on the dick van dyke show. they were very clear. you reach a certain age and you'll go see what he wants to your friends house. it's imperative that parents teach values. it's imperative as information becomes plentiful and available. such a challenge to look forward

to raising raising kids, but it means that you have to be more careful and you have to really inculcate values. i don't mean back of the hand values, i mean that you have to teach your kids why. my parents were wonderful about this. they never said it was wrong for me to ask a question. they always try to give me the answer and if they didn't have the answer, they try to get the answer. they treated me fiercely from the time i was a kid all the way through my teenage years. treated me as irrational and functioning human being. when i prove that i could earn and deserve responsibility, then they handed me the responsibility. it had to be earned. that's what i recommend in terms of that. in terms of older people getting involved in technology, get on the internet. it's a wonderful place, learn about it. it's an incredible place for exchange of ideas and transfers of of information. there could not be a more exciting time in human history to be part of a political movement in now and alan are able to pick up a camera and

make nice. when you can go to the local best buy and pick up everything you need to make a local movie. all of the gatekeepers are going away and this tremendous free flow of information that is occurring -- i could not be more excited about it. it makes me excited as well. eventually the american people will recognize what we are angry that they will only do it when they begin to access information that they need to see. >> host: brad is in clarkston, washington. our guest is ben shapiro. we have about 40 minutes left in this program. >> caller: i agree with about everything that you are saying. but you really lose me when you talk about iran as a nuclear terrorist threat. and they have been doing nothing but terrorizing the palestinians. they have been there for hundreds of years, killing their people, raping their people. have you defend that?

>> guest: that it's a different conflict than the israel and iran conflict. they have the same basic premise, which is religious. israel is historically based. the jews were there far longer than the palestinians. the palestinians are a conglomeration of folks. jordan has 70% palestinian. so there's a lot of history. as far as why iran would be a good source -- i'm not encouraging that the united states take unilateral military action against iran. i'm in encouraging that and they give the green light to do so. israel is threatened for very simple reasons. that is that the arena seem is not being held in a rational fashion. as much as the ussr was a real shame, they actually behaved in a relatively rational fashion.

there is none have a bunch of folks -- there's another factor, which is that israel's only ability to exist is based upon israel's nuclear superiority in that region. 6 million jews in the region, 300 million arabs, all of whom would seek to destroy. to destroy the state of israel. the moment that iran threatens that it will either hand over a nuclear terrorist group like hezbollah, to the muslim brotherhood in the south. israel's forced into a conventional proxy war. a war of attrition for your a long period of time has a tremendous disadvantage. so it is part of the increasing capacity with regard to missile defense, which is going to eventually be their best option.

it's not a particularly good option. you don't want this regime with the nukes, but because they have a history of attacking folks abroad, including everyplace from buenos aires to europe. >> host: lorette tweets ntu thing that conservatives argue for smaller government doesn't have to be an ugly racist exercise that targets the poor. >> guest: well, i agree with that. only people arguing that are the bullies that i talk about in my book. i'm at a loss to explain how lower taxes is a racist and bullying and horrible evil thing. i promise you that nobody on the right side of the aisle hates the poor. the only people that do apparently are those who want to keep them in permanent misery to suggest that food stamps are the solution to poverty. but it's not. economic growth is the solution to poverty and the deficit. better things of the solution.

there's a reason that the poor live better than they did at the beginning of the 20th century. they live even better than middle-class people dead at the beginning of the 20th century. they live better than many rich people dead at the beginning of the 20th century. but because all the products they can buy for the money is so much better. what makes your life better isn't as somebody dropping of attacking her mailbox. it's the ability to down to the mall and pick up all the things you need, all the things it's cost a fortune that now cost pennies. that's an effect of capitalism and that's where it is going. better stuff for less money. >> host: are you interested in political office? >> guest: i really feel that the culture has to be shifted on a root level before i would want to run for office. i want to see the right begin to make inroads not only in regards to hollywood, but the media and

with regard to other institutions that have been predominately run by my counterparts. there is no shining knight on a white horse. there's no one who's going to come in and fix everything. reagan fixed some things. the run of the country is headed in such a direction that even a temporary versus not going to be enough. there is getting to be a ground ship. the country has decided what wants to be. and they apparently want to be a semi-failing european state. with the country decides it wants to really live the life of entrepreneurship and freedom and liberty. in the excitement of creativity. until we get that as opposed to the unearned moral superiority of grabbing someone else's wallet, we are going to be a heck of a lot of trouble.

i'm not talking about the phantom 40%. and i don't believe that. but i think a lot of americans get something from the government. i have my federally subsidized student loans. everyone has something that they get from the government. but what i'm saying is that we have to shift what we think for american life in this country. maybe that's subsidized student loan goes away. in return, turn, is what i get is a better education and cheaper products, and a better standard of living in a more extending worldwide to make my own opportunities and i'm not concerned with the governments as i can and cannot do, that's kind of world i want to live in. do people have faith in themselves to god and succeeded make it exciting and beautiful. and you have the passion to create a new world for themselves or do they want a world that is bounded on all sides. >> host: we have that on the wine for ben shapiro. >> caller: greetings to you, ben shapiro.

you believe the best weapon against an enemy is another enemy? in essence what we see in egypt and syria and iraq and afghanistan, yemen and pakistan, our government inadvertently created chaos, whereby our enemies are fighting other enemies in lieu of citing christians and jews. once again, do you believe this weapon is viewed this way? >> questions are being targeted by al qaeda forces in syria. and as far as what u.s. foreign policy should look like in the middle east, i would come to what would be considered may be a cynical conclusion, which is there is no utopia, there is no point at which we impose a solution and democracy

flourishes in republics build themselves up. everyone wants us to live in peace and harmony. i don't think that's what's going to happen here. i think what will happen is a case in turn continuing set of day-to-day operations that enhance stability and american interests or do not do so. eventually and hopefully some of these regions will develop their own form of democracy and recognize that liberalism and democracy or something that are worth having. but until then, i don't think it's something that can be forced. i don't think it's hypocritical for us to think that we agree with all the values of america if it's an american interests. the best hope is to continue driving of the united states for us to continue to thrive. our interests are not always being served and is that not that great for some people here i wish everyone agreed with us on my wish everyone wanted action to matter.

but unfortunately they don't, and american interceptor predominate. >> host: for those of you tuning in late, this is an e-mail from peter. could you explain more about your use of the term bullies? your definition seems to be people who declare their opposition as ones who want to wreck the environment make cuts to health and services and are inherently racist. because they cut off people talking and they are harsh. guess i'm being harsh is not the same thing as calling someone a nasty human being. the definition of a political bully is someone who is fervently opposed to you as a human being because they disagree with what you're saying. that is the basis of political bullying. the only way to stop a bully is to punch a bully.

they won't be stopped by rational conversation. the conversation goes something like this. you're the bully cummings on a racist. and i say that it's funny you should say that, i'm really not a racist, but i can see why you would say that. let's have a conversation about voter id. i have handed you the baton. because what i said is it's actually rational for you to call me a racist. when i say it is rational, what i'm really saying is that it's possible that i am a racist. it's not possible since i'm not. but show me the evidence, show me why and this is the intimidation tactic that really separates americans from americans and destroys the cohesion that america needs. with that tactic is as trying to put on people a sense of unearned guilt in the sense that you didn't do anything wrong, but you're still guilty. oprah says you never have had to have said he.org, but you can

still be a racism. i'm not a racist and i've never done anything racist. you should feel guilty is an actual racist. so why are we not on the same page? what's on the actual racist and let's go out and target them. when we find actual instances of racism, let's go out and fix those as opposed to racism is just in the air area and if you drink the wrong cup of water. largely due to the left. we have reached the point, because of the 1960s and the civil rights movement, we reached a glorious point in american life, which is the worst thing you can be called an american life is a racist. if you are a racist, you are excised from american society. it's a wonderful thing and let's recognize the progress that has been made and focused on rooting out the last vestiges and find those things and root them out and fix them and let's focus on the real problems that plagued

communities. the voter id list is on the top 10 list. >> host: your new book comes out in 2014. what's the topic? >> is going to be about what the obama administration what i feel is part of a criminal conspiracy. people don't think the mafia exists, or they do not. the head of the mafia does not have to be in every direct order. all you have to do is put your people in place, but if you want to rise in the system and be a made man, all you have to do is something that i imply, and eventually the crime gets committed. it just happens to benefit our organization. we seen it from the irs to iras to the "fast and furious" in benghazi. it is something that seems to benefit the obama administration. but when it gets found out, it's a couple low-level guys.

they do their time to come out. by the way, and all of these scandals, known as lost their job. and i mean loss of pay and benefits. even the people who ever signed, they are receiving their full pension that they were due when they decided to resign. nobody's going to jail over "fast and furious" and benghazi. employees were supposed to be under investigation, they were reinstated by john kerry just this month. so there's something very funny going on. it's about time that people recognize that. it is important. part of it is the obama administration and how he runs a shop. when you have a government is big and powerful, there's always the danger that the person that takes control of those lovers of power can use it to their advantage. left helplessly about president bush with a lot less justification. if you don't like how bush ran the government or how vomited, the solution is to make the government in that way.

>> host: ben shapiro, do you have a website? >> guest: i have a website at ben twitter and there is a new effort that only called truth revolt. it's a pretty hard-nosed battling attempt to create consequences, especially for folks in the media to lie about objectivity or who participate in activities that the market should know about. advertisers should understand and hopefully from now on there will be ramifications you spending your dollars and the american people don't like it. >> host: marie's mails us and says i would like to hear your position on citizens for self-governance and their call for convention of the states. >> guest: mark is a brilliant

guy. as far as his constitutional amendments, really looking forward to it. i agree wholeheartedly with some of them. but it's a great idea, i'd love to see it happen. the chances of happening in the near future are slim, but hopefully we can build a movement to do that. the constitution, thanks to the perversion of it by the supreme court, now has structural defects that need correcting. the original constitution had a definitely less structural defect, but that is because they actually meant what they said is opposed what the supreme court says. >> host: and he will be a guest on the show in january of 2014. we have a guest from atlantic city, new jersey, on the phone. >> caller: it's nice to be able to speak to you.

i will tell you that you are so encouraging as young as you are. i'm a black woman, a conservative. i've been a republican since i was 18 eight years old and i am now 44 years old. and i'm growing very discouraged and i think that the only thing that will change what is going on in this country is education. there is a lack of education with blacks in this country, as far as them understanding how the republicans have forged and then you have those liberals that have totally erase jim crow history and the anti-civil rights history with this strategy propaganda.

the first thing that the communists did was they remove god from the society. and when they do that, society becomes immoral because there is absolutely no reason to have morals. you can accept everything, kind of reminds me of something that chesterton said. he said a man whose virtues tolerance is a man of no conviction. and when we don't have conviction, and people don't want to be educated because they don't want their convictions -- i mean, they don't want their beliefs to be saddled in any way and they don't want history. you have libertarians saying that our forefathers were secularists. which we know is something that

even if you want education, it's difficult to find it anywhere. >> host: okay, let allow mr. shapiro to respond in just a moment. you said that you have been a black woman republican since age 18. >> caller: yes, i was legally able to vote is not what's it been like to be an african-american republican? >> caller: i attended the university of the arts and it was very difficult, not for me because i'm a very strong person and i believe in my convictions and i know why i believe what i believe. but you are always coming up against you are black, you are a woman, you are an artist. and i understand my history. i understand the history of this country. and i learned a long time ago that the liberal agenda was no friend of mine. you know when liberals tell you

that we are your friend and they put planned parenthood in our communities and they run our communities into the ground. you cannot look at this country and see many republicans running black cities, to inner cities and the crime gets worse. in the abortion rate is higher, there's more poverty. when are people going to understand that the liberal agenda isn't working and the liberals on their friend? >> host: thank you for calling in. here is mr. shapiro. just not when you take a look at this, it's very discouraging. that's why it's so important for parents truly take the education of their own children so seriously. as far as the black community and feelings of the republican party, there's a lot of folks that believe that the public is a racist because they have been holed up for a very long time. and because there are a lot of

voters don't speak well on race issues and they have ignored the black community for quite a while. the problem is underlying the last entire momentum shift, as the family dies, everyone means different. the problem is government is the worst friend you've ever had worst friend you've ever had, they like to buy money from you and never pay it. if the government does give you money, it is typically to find something that you shouldn't be doing in the first place. the government just keeps signing checks and they are not your friend. as people grow to see that, that will help a lot. but the education system remains a huge problem. this is why the left doesn't like school vouchers. the minute the black folks have the ability -- and we're talking about south los angeles and new orleans, or chicago, when black folks have the ability to take their kids and put them in a school that is succeeding, and always follow the kid rather than the school, then we are going to start seeing

determinists shift in the mindset of a lot of the kids that are experiencing the freedom from poverty for the first time. i don't just mean this in terms of economics, but that that is provided by public school system, which is in many ways discriminatory. there's a big difference between south los angeles and beverly hills high school. >> host: please go ahead with your question or comment for ben shapiro. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. it has to do with definition of a federalist. >> host: by just a question and why is it important to? >> caller: do a crossword puzzle and i have an old pocket dictionary and i know that george washington was a federalist. it seems like i need another dictionary to figure out what the definition is.

just not going back to the federalist papers is that all rights and are not given to the federal government on the constitution are reserved by the states and those rights are extraordinarily limited. the right to make war, the right to create tariffs, interstate commerce, limited powers. constitutional law is a compact of the people or the states, that was a conflict broke out. because north had been breaking by not returning freed slaves to the south. so the states were going to withdraw. that was the legal case withdrawn. that was john calhoun's point back in the 1830s. but we see now is the federal government has overshot its boundaries. there are no boundaries to federal power. they can regulate how much total water use, growing pot in her

your backyard. they can regulate anything in your life. which makes the states on this important as they once were and the laboratories of democracy, which were supposed to predominate, have largely been pushed to the side. thank goodness that there is still state differentiations. because we're all like them, no jobs would get created at all. but the power of local government is a power that remains necessary and more necessary than ever. but government is large and faceless, there can be no way that they can decide what is best for your kid. at root it is on the idea that your local community are best at deciding what is good for you and your life, and only the very big issue should be decided by people you've never heard of that you've never dealt with and people you don't know anything about. need to restore that basic idea

of autonomy to the states. and the counterargument is always that when you do that last time, there was slavery. that was a command is evil that was abolished, but it doesn't undercut the basic rationale for states rights. all it does is say that slavery is a deeply immoral and evil thing that had to be abolished and it took hundreds of thousands of lives to do it. >> host: fifteen minutes left in the in-depth program. ben shapiro is with us. his six is coming out in january. speak with joe from ferndale, michigan. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. what is your opinion of powell eric snowden's revelation have impacted obama's foreign policy? >> guest: is very interesting because edwards noted in his the nsa leaker and he was -- i'm not clear on whether he is a traitor or he is a hero. i don't think it matters. but this is one of the things i

think we must get away from. was the information that he revealed that for the american public remap well, it was good for the american public to know. especially given the fact a couple of months ago president obama declare the war on terror over. if the war on terror is over, you don't need to be looking at my google chats with my wife. so basically has been undermined by president obama's own rhetoric. i'm happy that's noted by these revelations to too wide. i think the level of certainty is higher than contemplated. as a backer of the patriot act. certainly if i knew it was going to go this far, i probably would not have backed it. it's too intrusive, and i do feel that it's violating our basic american liberties. but again, that does not speak to whether edwards noted should be prosecuted. you can get a good result by doing a bad thing. but it does speak to the fact that government is now so large that knows everything about you, from what you purchased on

amazon to how much money you earn. there's not one area of american life, except that's the government, where the government knows nothing about you. and if that doesn't frighten people into recognizing that the government is too big, not sure what will. >> host: we had a tweet. there are a lot of christian christian/conservative writers that i know. what is your best recommendation of how to break into hollywood. by the way, he indicates his name is pastor i. >> guest: pastor i could, i recommend that you never say that you've met me. instead go to hollywood and break in as a young writer. then when you have power, go to a liberal university, use this as an opportunity to educate yourself. and then write exactly what the

teacher wants, get the credential and use it to your advantage. the harvard law step of approval is a wonderful thing to have even though i disagree with almost everything that my professor said at harvard. understand reality. i said earlier that i don't like it when people do with reality. the war with the reality, don't expect that those folks will change is because they want you to change. operate within the system instead or go find funding outside the system and build your own hollywood system or help user market power to take down the current system. all these are possible options. it's it's not an option is walk into a production in hollywood and take out the republican party local card in slot on the desk and say that i'm a republican in here to write for your show. because that won't work well. >> host: are you misrepresenting yourself by not explaining who you are?

>> guest: i'm with machiavelli on this one. when it comes to getting into an industry that has been dominated by a long time, sometimes you need to omit certain details from your resume. this is an experience that i had when i was at harvard law school. i graduated in the top 30% of my class. 40% or something like that. when i graduated, have the worst interview of anyone in my class that i went on 32 separate law school interviews and i went one for 32. the reason for that was not because my resume wasn't good. i had three published books, i had a national bestseller, a syndicated column command had been on tv all the time. but the problem was i and walked into the office and i would get a little corner and the liberal corner would look at me and this happened and they saw the title of one generation that i wrote, and it was "porn generation: how social liberalism is corrupting our

f libera. and the problem was it was so difficult. what i did was went to the harvard law school office and i said to them, what should i do about this. my record is terrible here. and they said, why don't you just strike your books off of here. so when you're dealing with discrimination, one is to take down the system from the outside and try to gain power in whatever you have an infrastructure, those are the only two options. when it comes to this, you want to work in hollywood and the want to make a 30,000 dollar residual check. but don't say that you are an open conservative and later are a show runner and then at that point you can do everyone.

>> host: how long did interview last? >> guest: i had to do made a huge difference them. i. >> host: we have ready in minneapolis. the call is coming in. >> caller: i find that the christian beliefs is what is fun if people believe in their christian values, but not to impose upon us those of us that don't. you're saying that it's okay to sneak in and get a job and lie on your resume to is that part of your christian beliefs? thank you very much.

>> guest: first of all, i am not christian. the left imposes its believe on a regular basis in hollywood. getting your foot in the door may require you to omit your optimism for the pro-life movement. when it comes to folks imposing their beliefs, what i'm watching is the secular movement and where we have this is a full out assault with the church attempted to withdraw status based on liberals not agreeing with what churches do. that is a fundamental violation of what the first amendment is about itself. >> host: we have an e-mail from mary. what is your position and we believe that we need to slow the growth of immigration, total immigration.

>> guest: i great-great-grandparents got her in the early 20th century. what we have is that everyone should agree on immigration shut the border out, the only reason was that you have to do that is because of a welfare state. otherwise he could have a free flow in terms of the tax dollar. so you can either have a welfare state with restricted immigration or in non-welfare state with complete free flow of information. we actually start enforcing thesis, is something we should do. many folks have overstayed what

they did and in my view, whether that is a pathway to citizenship or legalization, that does not become immediate until after the border is secure. an open invitation and is there a red stamp on your passport? there is no way to tell. there is no way to tell that. the fact is that everyone agreed on us going in. that would be border security and immigration reform. they said order security and immigration reform, then they used that as a weapon. this is an example of republicans not understanding how the left operates. they wanted to be able to look in 2014 and say to them, look at these people right wingers.

the reason that they stopped immigration reform is because they hate you. obama could have done this during his first two years. but he wants that issue to divide people. so coming to an agreement on this, everyone basically agrees on the basic proposition that i am stating, which is that you cannot continue a free flow of immigration and a welfare system. ..