invasion of russia especially with the japanese troops because japan was the only ally that was not engaged on the western front they thought they could go petra and siberian railway to russia but that was not wilson's idea at all. he said hist the russians will just rise up against that. especially 14 years earlier. the last thing they want is a foreign army to go in there going right into the hands of germany so his idea was a little different that he wanted the troops to keep a low profile, and added dave army and so his idea

that is why only 8500 troops but that they would controls of real way to send a but we did not want a big invasion. >>host: how long were the troops in siberia? >>guest: even though they went into get the russians to reestablish the express what happened by the way he made the decision july 6, 1918 soldiers started to arrive in august but by november the germans had collapsed and it turns out it was not needed at all. so then why didn't they come home? they stayed another year in behof today this is what they call mission creep you stay for one rigo for one or stay for another but the

reason they stayed a year and half his wilson began to see the bolsheviks. he was focused on the german staffers then it collapsed then he looked around the post war world especially europe with all the hungry people this is the perfect breeding ground of a sudden it said maybe we should not brings the troops back, maybe we should leave them there and still show the difference as a means to recreate. >>host: was taken into account the front was a good nation away from siberia? >>guest: that is why you would never believe the second five having to go all

the way to european russia to build another front they did not think that was practical but eppley would send 2,000 soldiers coming very unobtrusively then the united states but it was a lot of money back then and but that would be like $200 million with the entire bolsheviks' but except for that real -- railways so will soon decide if we control part of that then we will let them recreate that.

>>host: and professor richard did that strategy have any effect on the bolshevik? >> as our interventions often do, it reminds me of the philosopher that said we learn from history we do not learn from history because the same thing happens a lot it blew up interfaces the catches and the foreign or it -- are becoming id even though of ours is very small, the japanese had agreed with 72,000 but their idea was to control eastern siberia. this is exactly what he wanted to as he knew the russians would act violently.

with them coming in supporting that government that the russian people would react they went to the bolshevik because they did stoplight to support that regime. if you'll get the elections in russia anybody can say the russians didn't believe this or that but there was an election which in 1917 democratic elections that the bolshevik takeover but we do have those returns but what we found they less one -- one less than one-quarter of the votes actually less than one and then 10% in siberia that is the least bolshevik part of the country because there is no

traditional people there, landowners. >>host: do you think but their leaders told the hours that katz added here if they thank you are killing us if you were here we cannot oppose the bolsheviks so you are hurting us in you are forcing us into their camp. >>host: how well known was this at the time?

>> at the time of the intervention? people knew we had troops and nobody knew why. wilson did put out a statement that was very confusing before the armistice so thinking about all kinds of things german war prisoners rending into siberia in trying to drum up support a very confusing statement so to say i know we have soldiers but the senators who were making speeches saying what are we doing? was going on? of course, it dick advantage of being republicans but also we have no reason to be there.

but congress did not allocate money for this. he had a war front with the war coming to an nt so has money in it so that is where most of much of the money came from also he also gave money to the russian government before the bolsheviks took over that traditional government still have the money even though they were overthrown with this little russian embassy as the previous in washington in they told him that to send the money so he had a lot of clever ways to get the money to them. also when they first got there.

>> that germany and austria but we still continue to send most of the money because he was in there for a long time. this was a very popular government did it became more unpopular as time went on as they did things to forcibly drafted people into their are made to take all the young men to a draft them and torture the old men in to the women to say where are they? and burn down villages. something from ivan the terrible. >>host: professor, why is this not more well known today? >> it is kicked out of his three. a good question only 8500 troops so not a huge intervention, .

>> that we can't ignore that. this is something they would rather forget about especially after world war jay and the cold war period. >>host: why do you have an interest? >>guest: assassinated back instead '80s i spent a lot of times to you.

>> but it is about a fictional soviet invasion of the united states and that was interesting then they were telling me that they'd never invaded us but we wanted to invade them so extended to a bet but to become interested again as an example of a counter insurgency even though we claimed we were neutral we were guarding we were on his side so that is trying to

dissuade the population. it is a counter insurgency. a. >> we're not try to do the same thing that creates a democratic government like afghanistan. then we're realizing that i found that interesting. so i went back to explore war and that is how. >>host: we have been talking with carl richard here is the cover of the book published by

littlefield "when the united states invaded russia" you are watching booktv on c-span2.

>> that's where early settlers would have landed right here and we are on active and co for. it is in fact, the very beginning of annapolis. the land was first settled 1651 then in both'' have put those would come up in the would unload those supplies so the early houses tended

to be in the average that runs down. this is part of history at like the early part of the century because annapolis was totally eclipse by baltimore and was just desperate they needed economic security and they did not have that. the southern river is very nice but it doesn't reach very far back into the interior. it is pretty shallow especially at the entrance. there are some points the restrict boat travel constantly trying to get somebody to have the channel get big ships in and of course, it never happened so they watch baltimore become a major seaport taking the commerce that was coming to annapolis. they were upset about that so what was fun for me is to

see the things that they tried. they begged the federal government couldn't we be a naval depot, arsenal? anything? how about a canal? thought you had the railroad in the canal is officially began on the same day. in the us in the allied itself with the canal thinking we could get in georgetown would come here and it would be faster than the going.

>> end 1840 they got to a train. then in age you heard the but it is an incredibly important part. i knew we had slavery but i did not know how bad the movement had been since the war of the early 1800's index notes that was the age of. that was one of the two cases, unless you were

naturalized or just the sun or the descendant put it to an first protein in annapolis is tied to the constitution of maryland which allows the voting only to white males if your grandfather was not a white male and could not vote, no matter the 15th amendment to annapolis if you could not vote in 1868 you could not vote in 19 '08 that knocked out 700 out of 800 there were definitely black

business owners and had more than 500 and property 14,000 or 9,000 property on the tax rule. but they cannot get into office because they don't have a group of supporters. so in this city the first was elected 1873, three years after the 15th amendment the first black man elected to public office. very substantial me and him with a substantial income and resources. he is dead by 1908 but there was a man named adams who was well over the required minimum but his supporters were not so he was knocked out of office.

three men who tried to register to vote in the first election who were denied they took the case to court and from there it went to the supreme court along with the oklahoma case. and there was said good bit of prosperity in town in.thing go 1908 and this was not the only law because jim crow to the fact that about the same time. and people remember that today. the city you was still

searching for economic security's allotted them were young families. they've wanted parks some of the city was bigger and began to look for a way to have the economic stability that it needed to provide these things. it had some wonderful 18th-century houses all with a historical and designs. now just historic annapolis was formed in they were furious. and that a lot of these places were threatened with the aid via to perhaps have

a historic district that would restrict development. i want people to have a sense this is a living town. here we were at one time thing capital of the country. it is on a human scale. and double the people to come away with an appreciation of that.

>> as i write with the is a veteran mini and was leading for the first time schoolteachers and the anglican preachers' employers from south to jersey and a cross-section of american life. as i begin to walk those beaches with those mini and meet their wives emotionally i was brought to my knees by

what i was hearing. not just about the raw courage that played out on those beaches that day but by the unspoken bond that existed between them they had not met each other before and in one case it turns out there on the same landing kraft and we put them back together again. it would be modest beyond my a ability to describe their modesty. there were proud and willing to come and tell their story but only if i asked the questions and they would respond i didn't do anything more than anyone else. bell had stories of a buddy that did not make it your a buddy that was named a and they came back many from small towns. they lived lives of great deprivation but they took the gi bill and they found professions, went to college

in record numbers, they were the underpinning of the marshall plan coming they rebuilt their enemies in germany and japan and they were involved with the long and difficult cold war. they live to the ravages of the cultural revolution in the '60s and two quick in the beginning to say vietnam's was a good idea once they got it quickly they said it was a terrible idea and they were reluctant to leave the house they grew up during the all male and firemen. they never wind or whispered.

>> he is saw a place for rest for the presidency to get out as often as needed but far enough away there was a wilderness. this was a family place that it was unique because the back where he had politicians and craftsman constantly a hubbub of

activity this was the one place where it was private family time and roosevelt made it very clear they did not want anyone but a family here.

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