how could ever published last if citizens have no opinions about the issues of the day? over -- or were too intimidated to express them. the delegates at the constitutional convention debated passionately about how to balance the need to provide for a common defense with their fears of excessive executive power. these were men who had thrown off packings tyranny and were weary of standing national armies, yet they have also seen how the articles of confederation fail to provide a unified foreign policy putting their aspirations for unity and sovereignty of risk. as benjamin franklin famously said at the signing of the declaration of independence, we must, indeed, all hang together or most assuredly we shall all

hang separately. and in the federalist papers, james madison argued that america united with a handful of troops or without a single soldier exhibits a more forbidding posture in foreign ambitions that america at this united with of hundred thousand veterans ready for combat. president washington stressed the importance of national unity in his farewell address and one best against interest groups and internal rivalries. now, to be sure, we have had plenty of moments of partisan combat in our past, including some that make our current cable news squabbles sound downright polite. we even had to fight a civil war to prevent the union from splitting apart. yet even in our darkest time we

have been blessed with leaders who put our nation first, about personal or partisan advantage. president lincoln, a republican, but to seven democrat commander johnson, to be his running mate. he also asked his rival to be his secretary of state. imagine that. and then there is another great political odd couple who my particularly admire, george marshall and senator arthur vandenberg, a republican from michigan who share the foreign relations committee after world war two. when the senator first heard about the german administration's plan for rebuilding war-ravaged europe he was a deeply skeptical. ..

>> he served as secretary of state and secretary of defense and he stepped down with vandenberg. and he listened respectfully to all of his arguments. then the general explained why america's future security and prosperity depended upon having capable allies who would share our interests and buy our goods. and even more importantly, that america had a responsibility and obligation to lead the world. this would only work, marshall said, if he was truly a

bipartisan national effort. vandenberg was the most vocal of isolationists, and became a champion of the marshall plan and deserved a share of the credit for its eventual success. they debated strategy and tactics for hours on end. but it was always in pursuit of shared goals. as vanderburg put it, cooperation and free debate are indispensable to ultimate unity. the goals, he said, was to put national security ahead of partisan advantage. those are wise words for today and everyday. as the secretary of state, traveling around the globe, i saw firsthand how american unity leads to strength but discords

lead to proceed weeknights. the world watches so carefully the decisions we make in washington. sometimes they watched more closely than we even do. in our finest moments of any era, we achieve great things and provide a model of democracy that inspires people everywhere. but when we let partisanship overrides citizenship, when we fail to make progress on the challenges facing our people here at home, our standing in the world suffers. >> tomorrow marks 12 years on the lebanon attacks and we will honor the victims tomorrow. at 9:30 a.m. eastern, chuck hagel will take part in a memorial ceremony for the pentagon. and at 11:00 a.m. eastern, the

congressional ceremony on the steps of the capitol with participation from leaders. both of events will be held live on c-span.org. >> my father was a minister, so we had gone up to the church and he was a choirmaster and we got to the church and all of a sudden we knew that obama had done well. we that within our community. my father's cousin by marriage said that the church had been bombed. a few hours later we knew the names of the little girl that had been killed and denise mcnair, who is one of the little

girls, there is the picture of my father giving her her graduation diplomacy from kindergarten. so it was a very sad and just her findings from our communities. check the 50th anniversary of commemoration at the 16th street baptist church bombing at 11:00 a.m. eastern on sunday and throughout the day. on american history tv on c-span3. >> republicans accused the white house of conduct. the question energy department jonathan silver in this two-hour hearing begins with darrell issa.

[inaudible conversations] >> the community will come to order. the oversight committee adheres to fundamental orders. americans deserve an efficient government that works for them. taxpayers have the right to know what they get for their government. it is our job to work to deliver the facts american people and give general perform to the federal bureaucracy. pursuant to that mission statement, the oversight committee meets to follow-up on our commitment for openness and transparency in compliance with

the rule of law that allows no access to private e-mail. and yet it is habitual for high-ranking and obviously tricking down low ranking individuals out of laziness or in order to circumvent later discovery, sometimes by this committee and sometimes by the public and sometimes quite frankly by their own bosses. and the intent of congress.

communication of official activity is in fact a property of the agency in which people work it is in fact a government asset and the government has a right to know in a responsibility to be able to respond to journalism and most importantly the inspector general's and the fact that the an ig investigation is inherently less successful if they are denied access to the very materials that would show the history and the activity

most people don't feel that they are doing anything wrong. but they are. this trend very clearly began according to our investigation in the later part of the bush administration. one of my predecessors, mr. waxman, looked deeply into the dual use where individuals with government and political activity in the white house used an account and additionally during that time, they blocked the use of gmail and hotmail and so on from the white house or

and yet it was in fact a question about whether or not this practice was acceptable or artist and consistent and even had the purpose of receiving republican national committee documents. i disagreed with them on this because the law clearly says that the white house had a right to do political activity and there were individuals designated to have that right in there was a firewall. that investigation was not conclusive. but it is a far cry from what began that ms. jackson entered the epa. we had 2008 study in the later years of the bush administration that shows that they did not have control systems in place to ensure that they were capturing information. this in no part has nothing to do with anything the white house

come of it has to do with the ease of using private e-mails and most people in america today understand that almost any smartphone cannot just do a primary e-mail, but multiple e-mails, whether blackberry or info content handler or an iphone. all of this technology is the reason we are here today. individuals are here today all stand as individuals who have not complied with federal records ask, who have clearly circumvented that. we are not here to indict individuals. our witnesses are here because of we want to show a pervasive problem that began at the dawn where the sunset of the bush administration or the dawn of the obama administration that has proliferated. this committee has an absolute responsibility to either change

the behavior or the law or both. it is our commitment to do that in the commitment of this president to be the most transparent in history. transparency requires that you let the sunshine in net and that the information be available in the sunlight. the fact is when private e-mails are often deleted, they eliminate the ability, even when the sun shines in to provide it. all e-mails have been accounted for for many individuals and i have to tell you that what has happened is that very clearly e-mails have been lost in during the last two administrations under mr. waxman, we have insisted in this committee that the white house spent tens of millions of dollars to replicate

an official e-mail that was lost during the conversion to microsoft office. millions and millions of dollars simply to gather a few e-mails and make sure that none were lost for future generations. to me that says it has been important that this committee, no matter who is in the chair, and that is not going to change. particularly important to us is in fact that education within the federal workforce is not sufficient. and i think from the time that we sat together, we have heard the same excuse from one part of government after another, and that is that it's too difficult to get into my official system. this committee also has primary responsibility for cybersecurity. and let me assure you of one thing. we cannot have greater security

of federal records, if in fact a host of other sites are not even other federal control and have important information. to that end, i have offered legislation and i believe that this committee will in fact see that in this congress, legislation in support of the administration's efforts to make real lasting change will be enacted. the committee again has examined violations of the federal transparency under both republican and democratic administrations. it is the new internet in the smart phone that has ultimately made it this pervasive. i hope that we will continue to see that hr 1233 and 1244 will

only be a combination of that and see her effort by the administration by agencies large and small to capture information and to ensure the complexity or difficulty of getting into this is no longer an excuse for by this committee or any other committee of congress, and certainly i want to say for the members of the press who will be listening seeing that our greatest effort will be to ensure that it is a complete search of the federal records and with that, i want to thank my ranking member for being a partner in this effort, and i yield back. >> thank you very much, and thank you for holding this hearing this morning. one of the things i'm hoping that each witness will do as i listen to determine statement, i am always very careful about the

reputations. this is the dress rehearsal, and i want to make sure that if you did not intend to circumvent the record and transparency laws, i would appreciate it if you would tell us that when you testified. because i don't want that to be out there that's not accurate. although some may suggest that the focus using personal e-mail accounts seems trivial, especially in light of the national security questions, the we are currently facing. it is a significant matter that potentially affects every policy that we implement and i agree with the chairman. for this reason, iris and transport responsible efforts that we are operating this in a

transparent manner and i have advocated strongly for this committee to exercise the jurisdiction to conduct robust oversight aimed at improving transparency. our nation has made great strides towards a goal which acknowledges those improvements. any suggestion that the obama administration is somehow less transparent or less compliant than previous administrations, fails to recognize the realities of the chairman has stated, the white house, during the bush demonstration come in the white house lost hundreds of days of official e-mails and top officials routinely used their republican national committee e-mail accounts for official business. investigation revealed that 88 officials use this for official business and no e-mails were

preserved for 51 of them. i would like to talk about this from the associated press, dated 2007 and i quote that the white house said on wednesday that it had mishandled the republican party sponsored e-mail accounts used by nearly two dozen presidential aides, resulting in the loss of an undetermined number of e-mails concerning official white house business. >> without objection, so ordered. >> those e-mails involve the u.s. attorney following the jack abramoff scandal and a host of other matters and they were lost not for a day, not for a year, but forever. and the these systemic deficiencies prevent the congress and the american people from fully understanding how

their government was operating at the highest levels. in contrast, president obama took significant steps to improve record management and the white house e-mail system automatically preserves all e-mail from the white house accounts and president obama became the first president since truman to issue a directive to agency is in regards to managing federal records and the president instructed the 21st century framework to improve agency performance and began managing e-mail records in electronic format by 2016. in my opinion it is more transparent than its predecessor and can we do more, absolutely. and we must.

i hope today's hearing focuses on how we can do that. today we will hear from four witnesses who use personal e-mail accounts to conduct official business. to be clear, no federal law prohibits the use of personal e-mail for official business. so long as those e-mails are properly preserved. that's very important. in this case, it appears that the e-mails at issue were in fact properly reserved because employees copied them to the official accounts to ensure that the agency servers archives, are cases in which this did not happen, and it appears that employees have gone back in order to ensure that they are fully available and clearly we can always ensure that federal employees know the rules and comply with them. i introduced hr 1234. the electronic metrics preservation act to modernize the federal records act and the

presidential records act for the electronic age. mr. chairman, you added that it is directly on point for this hearing, and i applaud you for that. it would ensure that e-mail records created using nonofficial accounts are preserved and acceptable to agency systems by requiring employees to forward e-mail records to their official accounts within five days. so my bill has language since back in march and i hope that you'll you will join me in urging the house leadership between this. finally, i would like to thank the witnesses for being here today. each of you have served or is serving this country in a critical government position. several of you rearrange their schedules to be here, some even under the threat of subpoena. of course, we deserve answers to

our questions, but you also deserve to be treated with the utmost respect and dignity. once you to know that we appreciate your service in your cooperation and i yield back. >> i think the gentleman. all members will have seven days to submit opening statements before i introduce my witnesses, i ask unanimous consent that the senate minority report and federal records uncovered dated september 9 2013 be entered into the record and copies be made and distributed so that all members and witnesses would have the report. >> without objection, so ordered. >> we now welcome our distinguished witnesses. this is the chairman of the u.s. trading commission. lisa jackson is a former

administrator of the epa or environmental protection agency and is currently the vice president of environmental initiatives for the apple corporation inc. jonathan silver is the former executive director of the program office at the u.s. department of energy and he is now a visiting distinguished in your fellow and we welcome him. mr. andrews is the former deputy chief technology officer from the executive office of the president and is currently the senior vice president of beta works and chief executive officer and it's very impressive. there is life after government. [laughter] and the honorable david is the man that we count on to work hand-in-hand with all of the

agencies to modernize and capture this information. pursuant to the committee rules i would ask that all witnesses please rise and take the oath before testifying. please raise your right hand. >> do solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth and the whole truth and nothing but the truth? >> please enter the affirmative and please be seated. >> you'll hear from a large panel today and you are all skilled professionals, so suffice to say that your entire statement will be placed in the record and we would like you come to it as close to buchanan to leave time for questions. >> good morning, ranking member and members of this committee. promoting transparency in government is critical so the public can have a clear window and participate in government decision-making. the federal records act is key

to such transparency. i think this committee for this hearing on the and the work on these matters, bringing into those a sharper focus and i joined the trading commission in may of 2009 of the worst financial crisis in 80 years. many americans lost their jobs and the remarkable staff has worked around it is to bring much-needed reforms which was at the center of the crisis and we often took numerous steps to bring transparency to our work and we voluntarily held external meetings, over 2200 meetings and we have increased tenfold our public meetings, and we have held nearly to dozen roundtables to facilitate public action.

i use my personal e-mail account to get the job done and i did routinely engage them for my personal e-mail but outside business hours. having come to this job after years of not working in a traditional office setting and being a stay-at-home dad, frankly i was not a two and to the way of checking to e-mail at home and we did not have a robust training program, and i personally didn't receive training with remote access or federal records, as head of the agency, i take full responsibility with regard to records management and promoting transparency and i want to thank the agency's inspector general who highlighted this that it is better to avoid using personal e-mail, even though no law prohibited it. they said that i used official e-mail far more frequently than my personnel there were 10 times

more at official e-mails and personal. he also said that there is no indication that the chairman was attempting to hide the use of the personal e-mail from the employees in an attempt to conduct secret official business and many of the e-mails with the general counsel and the chief information officer and executive director. he said that we do not believe it violated any federal laws. when this committee sought the e-mail, i immediately asked for the gathering of all documents and we did provide approximately 11,000 e-mails that were sent to or originated or copied for personal e-mails. approximately 99% were exchanged with another government official who were on federal systems and 97%, the remaining documents that were not already there are there now, and i've had the staff with them to make sure

that they are filed appropriately. but moving forward, let me say that i believe that we can and need to do better. first, i have directed the staff to revise the policies, working along with the staff. and i'm glad that he has agreed that he will help us revise our policies and ensure a stricter and tighter guidance. second, i have directed our executive director and general counsel, to significantly enhance the agency training and how to access e-mail to do it in an efficient way. we have to promote this in a flexible work schedule. ..

to the committee is morning in. serving as the minister of the u.s. and burma to protection agency is a great privilege to in the high point of my 25 he a career in public service. it joined the epa shortly after graduate school after earning a master's degree in chemical engineering. it's been 15 years and the staff of epa, headquarters here in washington a letter that deal the office of the your before joining managers department of mime of protection. billy bob public-service at the can for my father, a navy veteran, mailman, and a machinist for the u.s. postal

service. in january 2009 my epa administrators before me, i was assigned to e-mail addresses. one address was to be published on the epa website, and the m box was managed by staff costs. the second address the share of the more limited number of people in the in boxes managed primarily by me. as you know first ten public officials to a lot of the milk. the epa has estimated the minister receives over a million e mills every year who. managing in a box that big is more than one person can handle and do their job effectively to set least. that's why many members of congress as well as the executive branch set up a second account. it is about time management and efficiency. i would like to address the naming of my second account. i suggested that we label the second accounts had been jackson

or something similar with my name or title and it. a career staffers recommended using a full name since the e-mail address database was publicly available. people looking to have unimpeded access or faster ways to reach the administrator would be searching for a secondary address, so i was a biased against it the obvious. my husband and sons were still living in east windsor new jersey in a family's dog name was recce. so i named my count windsor about richard. regardless of the choice, the account was for official business and subject to the freedom of information act. there was a learning curve for me and who should have access to this account. i eventually decided the count should be primarily for my senior staff and white house staff. epa has released thousands of the mills from the scout. i use it every day to do my job more effectively. i would like to address personally know.

when i was concerned as administrator, like most people at a personal e-mail account. public officials are also private citizens. i maintained a personal e-mail account. every public official has to use her best judgment in ensuring appropriate use of personal e-mail. my practice was to forward any e-mail that i did pertaining to government business into an official epa e-mail account so that it could be captured for recordkeeping purposes. i respectfully call the committee's attention to an example of this practice. february 8th 2009 at ford and e-mail from my home e-mail accounts to an official epa e-mail account. the business value of the mill was questionable, but out of an abundance of caution afford it to a staffer as an fyi with and know to ensure that it was not given under way in the policy-making process. this e-mail chain can be found on the p website, and i would like to hear some of it for the

record, mr. chairman. that was released as part of the freedom of information act request in africa's action that my action capture the mouse for transparency and recordkeeping purposes that have come to accept there are those who will second-guess the does and i made or question the motive behind this judgment. on the one hand can have honest and reasonable debate and on the other there are some who want to tear risers' it agenda. the principal reason i come here today is to make it perfectly clear that it was my practice to ensure that any official business conducted by me or through my e-mail account was appropriately caption for recordkeeping purposes. i certainly did not intend to circumvent records or transmitting laws and to the contrary i intended for my records to be captured for purposes of record-keeping. i recognize that the issue of preserving official government correspondence is of critical importance and then that it

delays these issues are difficult ones. commend you and the committee for tackling and in the world that has been transformed where ever increasing ability to connect. it is my hope piquant find a path for that encourages transparency without unduly restricting efficiency, personal convenience command privacy. thinking and a habit of answering the questions. >> thank you. mr. silver. >> good morning, mr. chairman. congressman cummings. thank you for having me today. menendez china and silver and have been asked to appear today as the committee examines issues are the record keeping and the federal government. diapers to serve as the jaded director of the loan programs office of the department of energy, a position and left almost two years ago. i should not, therefore, i am here today in my capacity as a private citizen and then not in a position to speak to or about the current retention policies and practices of the department. i testified before this

committee subcommittee on regulatory affairs, stimulus overset command of a spending in 2012 with these issues are discussed in depth. it does not testify in front of a different house committee but also address of these issues have also been interviewed on several occasions by various committee staff. i'll ask him before his grandmother and a year ago during the committee review one of the 17 of buy programs during the course of the review are voluntarily provide all the relevant documents to and from a personal now account covering alan the tunnel is a permanently , but also the committee's request humans for an entire year before was even in the federal government. today will, of course, answer the committee's questions in the best of my ability. my parents today along with much of compliance with your document requests a year-and-a-half ago to restrict my think my willingness to assist the committee has worked. i would note that i also offer to make myself available to committee staff and an informal setting prior to this jury. as you know, the 1705 lung

program and a statutory sunset date of september 30th 200011 and substantial fines these to be applied by that date. it is important to remember my office and working diligently supply of capital within the time from established by congress. we worked day and night to get the job done. working under such a tight deadline required ongoing communications during and after business hours and it night and on weekends. this was challenging because as anyone who has worked at the department can tell you, the government i2 systems are all that cumbersome. the overall majority of the mills produced from my personal account are copies of the mills for my department education account that already existed. i occasionally for did documents for more in order to be able to work while traveling out of the office. i'll also send and receive some e-mails asking about logistics' or for updates or to share an observation.

i use my personal e-mail and an effort to be as efficient and productive as possible, not in an attempt to be evasive. in two dozen nine when i joined the department and not recall being provided training in what was all was not a federal act issue and to respond directly to you, congressman, and no time did i intend to try to circumvent federal records. while i strongly support transparency in the federal government, i left the government two years ago i did not have a clear understanding of the department's requirements as soon as i was a pride of these obligations i immediately turned over all the relevant documents i had the to the apartment of energy in directly to this committee. it is my understanding that production has satisfied any obligation on me and had of the federal records act to rethink if inept and he to appear today in delacorte answer any questions you man. >> you want to answer the question? >> i thought i did.

i did not, let me say again to my directly respond to the question by saying that i have at that time any intent to circumvent federal records act. >> thank you. >> the morning, mr. chairman. rank member, members of the committee. actually, this is an incredibly interesting set of issues. but i would like to do is take an observation. three suggestions. as you move legislation forward to the full house plan submission is simply this. the world of we're moving into is warmer in a new executive branch employees know it's hard to have a single private person in a lockout but may well have dozens of communications accounts on different services. i have listed two dozen common services that never expected 20 something to have in my written testimony. so the world we're moving into is one where france, contacts, former co-workers, members of

the public and find you on those services and can send communications and. so i have one personal example and i think is also relevant. i am sitting here at the table as an example of an ordinary some unreasonably conscientious employee who got a whole bunch of communications and amount personal accounts and for the bulk of them over my official accounts but missed some. and i have a request, went back and found them, for the demand and that was my experience. the will of their living in dallas one or the federal agencies will not even have official accounts. there is that in no way to send the men. three suggestions. the first one is the committee might want to specify that if the communication can easily be forwarded into an official account the should be some kind of safe harbor practice that would count as a transmission into a federal bergman.

capturing a screen shot of an image. some communications tools and a very common are very -- built in such a way as to make it impossible to grab a screen shot but you could imagine a safe harbor approach or you could take a screen shot and that that be a safe harbor for compliance. number two @booktv i should say, very nice job of clearing up to problems. one is where you have to send a communication a different account the seven been transmitted. the second part is that it says it must be done within five days. it is currently no time limit on when a record as to be transmitted. those are too positive changes. so id number two is it is very difficult right now for a member of the public to find a way to officially communicate with an employee for all of the usual

obvious reasons of spam, privacy , security. we don't publish every federal employees official e-mail address. one thing that is very common, if you elected is paired with sides, they wanted journalists to be excess will, but not targets for constant spam. the use things like a web form where you can submit a request to be in contact with that individual and tickets raddatz said individual and they can then respond. it is a reasonable and workable act. so they feel like they have to go and communicate with you want someone personal account. suggestion number three, the committee could merge agencies or require agencies to come up with language that must be attached were possible to the personal accounts of employees. for example, on a tumbler county have a profile. you could imagine a sentence.

if you want to talk to me about official business contact me here. johnson me a message here. send it to my e-mail address. this would be easier to do. have public facing profiles. you can imagine that the agencies have to at least specify some basic language for some of the most popular communication platforms and try to rouse official communications elsewhere. let me just say one final note. one of the things that happens over and over again. pepys' communicate with you and your personal accounts. sometimes a man not even read it one of the things to happen to me is a long experience involving haiti where the only way to communicate with individuals on the ground and i happen to know that the fuel was

to use escape. and it was a tool that the white house had not approved. the only releases people. and so we use it, captures screen shots, transferred it all over. a great example of were in the most effective tool may not even be an official tool. the emergency urgency exception applies. there is no standard ordinary practice for how to for this communications and records which is something that the gang responsible it is yet to address . >> they have certainly tea of the fact that nobody knows how to deal with the new ones. your job is impossible. take as long as you want to respond. >> german, ranking member, you may need to be closer. thank you for holding this hearing. the challenges that we all face.

as background and context on the latest court in this area on november 282011 the president issued a memorandum on managing government records which launched a multi-year executive branch what effort to reform and modernize record management policies and practices. in a memorandum the president's 81 records are well-managed is is is can use them to assess the impact of programs to reduce redundant programs within and across the organization's. in these ways proper records management is the backbone of open government. at the president's direction and join with the acting director to issue an implementation directive to all heads of executive departments and agencies and independent agencies. large debased in part on the work done by this committee in .

to high levels in a series of actions that must be taken to modernize records management policies and practices. the goals are first to require electronic record-keeping to enter transparency, efficiency, accountability and to a strict compliance with the federal records management statutes and regulations. in designating the senior official to oversee and ensure compliance with records management statutes and regulations cannot the records manager, a senior agency official. and last month they issued guidance to assist agencies in meeting the directors call to manage e-mail records in an electronic format by the end of 2016. among the additional activities underway personnel management is

working to establish a formal records management occupational series. there is no such thing as a records manager in the federal occupation series. by the end of 2014 agency records officers must attain a certificate of federal records management training and all federal agencies must establish a method to inform all employees of the records management responsibilities and developed records management training for poor pre staff. believe that the presidential memorandum and the directive has set up on the try to cut a path to address the challenges and modernizing in reforming records management. in that regard the committee concerned with the use of private or unofficial e-mail accounts used to connect federal business is also a chapter of interest. the discouraging the use of

private e-mail accounts but understand that there situations were of such used as a care. accordingly where private e-mail account must be used because the example of the government service not available for technical reasons. difficult to federal records a spin to the official record-keeping system of the agency as soon as practical and then managed to core and the federal records act, the freedom of the information act and other legal requirements and their implementation regulations. as they just noted introducing a new approach to managing the billions of e-mail messages that are sent or received in federal agencies. also issued a bulletin reminding agency is about the need to appropriately manage and protect federal records. both of these bulletins and the federal records are attached. a number of challenges and opportunities related. the technological landscape is

constantly changing. the focus of today's hearing is he ran and the agencies covered by the federal records act. the challenges involved from social media platforms as you just heard and other print to have two branches of the federal gorman are every bit as difficult. the town of staff of the national archives and records administration looks forward to working through these issues. the long-term success of the national archives and historical record of our nation depends on our collective success. thank you for there virginity to appear today, no accord to finish your questions. >> before i begin my question -- i apologize. this is committee business that it now expects to have.

mr. silver, you are represented. >> yes, sir. >> in your opening statement he said you wanted to be transparent. i have not put it up on the screen. i have in my possession a disturbing e-mail that comes from an individual working -- apparently working and shapiro that ashley asks a member of this committee not to ask questions of you. you familiar with this? consult with your counsel. >> i'm sorry, congressman. i am not at all familiar with that. i am told that we will look into it. >> well i want more than look into it. one explanation from it council on why we should not refer this to the american bar association.

i am informed this is an employee who is in the lobby side of shapiro him made multiple contacts to committee members and at least one of them to committee staff specifically to staff representing a member specifically asking them not to ask questions. we are providing your counsel with the come but from a committee standpoint, not the attorney to my speaking quite frankly my question to you, the question of whether we'd prefer this to the bar association, whether it is an interference with congress which i find it to be in the white we will need to be resolved with the ranking member and myself after this hearing. but we have had a long history. represented a lot of individuals this one crosses the line, and i want to make sure it was on the

record, not on behalf of mr. silver, the fact that when represented by counsel we expected to no more than a witness and could the witness out of this embarrassing situation. >> thanks you very much. i wanted thank you for sharing this e-mail with me. as an officer of the court this is greatly concerned. having represented lawyers in maryland, disciplinary manners. it does -- it -- you have a right to the question is. campus is not what appears to be very, very unfortunate. you're right. it would be clearly out of bounds. i hope it is not what it appears to be. and i will join in in their

efforts to look into it. >> thank you. no go to a question. i simply had to get it into the record. i'm going to start. the cftc, who owns it? >> i'm not familiar with any web sites. >> it is a commercial site. i guess we're trying to find out whether or not -- we have in else delivered in preparation. whether not that is a cftc asset and if it's being captured. >> i'm not familiar with any web address. this was a question that was raised by your hard-working staff late yesterday.

i'm not familiar with and set aside. it's not one i have ever used. >> but you have used it. that is part of the discovery. you may have not intended to, we have the melson said there card from you. >> a senior technologist on me last night, and i think it will have to work with you to look at it, it may be as somebody put in a name, not an actual address, but the name just as they might the spell my name. >> well, we will look into it. it is part of that whole question. just to put it in their record, you headed an important organization, some 600 people and a tremendous amount of dollars that pass through. did you receive any training as to the federal records act? >> i am the head of the agency

and take full responsibility. no, i did not receive training and the federal records act. and has been a lot of time on training these last -- >> he spent a lifetime says graduate school. have you received training and the federal records act? >> and it. they're not in my possession. >> how about yourself? >> to the best of my recollection i did not receive specific training. >> if the people don't get trend is there any way and all those ideas and suggestions mean anything? >> no, sir. >> okay. mr. silver, you made some very specific statements. i'm going to call you on one of them. they don't seem to square. i have been in no between you

and morgan right dated august 201st 200011. it says to my and i quote, don't ever send an e-mail on doe e-mail with private in no address. that makes them subpoena will. tell me why i should not consider that a deliberate circumvention since you were pervasive in using -- setting up and even putting of the people on to non-government in now and conducting business your lawyer or at the office from these non-governmental e-mails? why is it i should not consider that a deliver a circumvention? >> because i certainly use my private in a. as i said before and want to reiterate now, it was never my intent to evade. it's a response to an e-mail

chain that precedes it that is on the doe servers. somebody noted that there was a personal e-mail address in the header. mine was an admonishment and a reminder that he should not makes these two things. >> is it coincidental that and we looked for immense related to the need to backfill money for one of the largest bankruptcy related to the now -- sorry, to the energy loans that those e-mails -- the men's related to that, the man's related to pumping in money at the end to try to stop or lay of fall ron private e-mails. not forward it. >> the question is, do those exist? >> they did exist. you went through the $0.99 and the former penicillin. you didn't. you very clearly from what my

records show in my memory, you created a separate account, used it to talk to people about problems in a loan program and about ultimately how to hide and away the knowledge of an impending bankruptcy and solyndra. >> i was communicating with long standing conference call people who live and work with for many years, some who wrote to me because i had my personal e-mail on it and i responded. i sense some of those e-mails. not my intention to evade any income above we were in the heat of trying to make -- struggling with this company. we wrote some personal e-mails. yes. >> we will put more in the record later. i just have one last one. ms. jackson, who is allison tennant? >> a friend, someone i have

known for quite some time. >> you work for the president. >> when i worked at the u.s. and burma protection agency. >> are working for the president. the president as a prohibition on basically the record nation with lobbyists. >> i believe she is a registered lobbyist. and i know if she yesterday. >> my understanding is allison taylor, do you know what she did? >> i believe she ran is sustainability business. i'm not sure. the way i knew her was in a personal manner. >> so you only knew her in a personal matter? >> i can't separate knowing someone in the city. they have jobs. people have jobs. >> i apologize, but that was what the scandal was about. peoples of the air france when in fact he was a lobbyist.

i want to get on to the ranking member, the official private account, the one of the public did not have in 2009, you get any mail that has a ps. can you use my home e-mail account rather than the one when you need to contact me directly? to me at sounds like you did not want the efficiency of not being bothered. you're giving a lobbyist your personally now account for a victory allocation. ..

>> what i was doing and saying that if you want to contact me, do not use my official account that i'm using to get business done day in and day out. your party made a request and contact me at home. certainly, if anything and that he now comanche contact me if this is related, then i would go ahead in my practice would be to send that in to the official account. >> we will put the entire chain in the record and i'm sure others will do it as well. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. we have a really quick question and we're just kind of following up on us.

>> before i was confirmed as administrator of the agency. she is someone in environmental circles it is thought of extraordinarily highly, and we have many mutual friends as well. >> was there any aspect again in the transparency laws? >> no, sir, at the public record to use my personal account. but it was not evader circumvent records.

>> it is very important in the e-mail account. and in fact, the nra -- the nara issue issued a guidance yesterday. we have more than one agency taking this approach. one of the agencies identified this and is using internal correspondence.

>> let me just clarify that yesterday we are clarifying our stands on the need to ensure that multiple e-mail accounts are part of the guidance before that. and that you need to capture federal records. so we have an address and it is a good example of the need for multiple addresses. we don't care how many addresses you have, as long as those that are doing no business are captured.

>> there seems to be quite a bit of concern about the use of an alias conduct official business. he said that this was in addition to a standard epa and it was explained in a letter. epa explained the need for this and i want to find out whether or not you agree with us. a secondary account and we worked to communicate with staff and other government officials.

this is an accurate explanation. >> i estimate at low and i believe that the epa uses the 1.5. i used a conservative number. it is generally the same as the explanation that i gave, which it is not unusual for thousands of e-mails to come in overnight and comment on a rule or concern. and so for practices and time management purposes and the ability to do the job, that is why i had a secondary official

e-mail account. >> who did you communicate with is a guess? >> in general i used it can return to communicate with my staff at the agency. >> you know whether this is a new practice of epa? >> well -- >> no, sir. my predecessors before me had a secondary official e-mail account. >> many of them are democratic and many of them have aliases to conduct official business, including george w. bush and christine todd whitman who used the address and he was an acting

head as tofu,. >> they are preserved in the archive and are in the possession of the epa. and it shows that this is not necessary. >> as far as i know, that is exactly what happened. i certainly know that there were times when i would be asked, do you think there are records that are responsive. they were searchable. >> i want to come back to you. chairman, rightfully owed like to ask about that. whether he had answered the

question or not. did you answer that question about transparency? >> i think you, just as the inspector general of the agency said, but i have not violated any federal records law. and i did not intend to circumvent the federal record. >> okay, i understand you have employed several during your tenure. why did you decide this but the e-mail aliases? >> we don't have quite the volume at the epa. not as i came into the office. there were many concerned citizens, sometimes hundreds in a day and everyone has that same

nomenclature. so the data technology along with the executive director and the lawyers set up another account and it took my initials, which was linked and we have gone back just in preparation to see whether these last years, whether they were always linked. it was the senior individual of the agency and government that could communicate a secondary account, which was linked in the data technology and archives. >> my last question is i'm sure having to come before this committee you thought about this a lot. i'm wondering if there are things that you thought that congress ought to be doing for your agency could be doing so as to make sure and i'm sure that you agree with what we are trying to get to here. things that we can do and what

we are trying to complex. >> just come idea. i do. i want to thank you and the chairman for allowing me the time to meet with you. i think that this is important. so the public has trust and there is exposure to it and there is a separation and i must say looking back i think that the inspector general said we didn't violate any laws and we could've done better. many were here in government accounts. so we have brought it in now and we have seen that there is not anything that is a problem. we have to narrow it down. i want to do that at the cftc.

i am not an expert, but i do support the general approach to we modernize our record-keeping laws to the 21st century and training is critical and i directed our general counsel with the current staff. thirdly with technology. we will need to spend money on us. i think that it is a really good thing because it means that it captures everything, even this can't be deleted. >> thank you. >> i would echo the idea of clarity as much as possible in a very complex situation. i think the committee for trying to give more clarity because i think we are trying to follow the law as best as we can.

using the best judgment that we have. i would also urge that if there are a set of rules and policies by looking at the official records and trying to guess whether or not somebody was compliant, it is quite difficult. those records are our public and available. i would just like to ask that there be fairness in judgment as well. that there be a set of requirements and people who understand and be trained on them and as we look to those requirements. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> i want to piggyback on what the ranking member said. i hope everyone seeing this today understands that the members of congress can relate to this. mr. cummings and i both have the

situation we have tried having a plain and ordinary name. so i want to recognize that the commenting approach often doesn't work for the head of an agency or even some key people in agency. having said that, one of the concerns of the committee is during the entire period before your alias was known, if they weren't germane, it did not give a true name and one of the challenges that we will have is to make sure that if a name like i.t..something, or a name that appeared to be clearly somebody else, it has to be understood. it has to be converted and that may be the bigger challenge, mr. cummings can be a different

name. but if a document is produced, it has to be a true name. that is something that the committee will be working on going forward. it is the fact that dreams have somehow come out to the extent that they are not redacted. i guess they wouldn't actually matter what the e-mail address was. but with that, the gentleman from south carolina. >> would you think the purpose of the act is? >> the purpose of a? >> i'm not a lawyer. >> you don't have to be a lawyer to know the purpose of the federal records act. >> and the purpose is to make sure that there is a complete record of activities that you would be right. the last time you were with us,

i has to specifically whether or not you have deleted any e-mails that might fall under the jurisdiction of the federal records act. you recall your response? >> i think i said at the time that i had certain deleted e-mails, but it was not anything other than the regular cleaning up my inbox. >> is currently true? >> the. >> illustrate the time? >> yes. >> i am informed that a third of your e-mails are not produced prior to testimony. you agree with that? >> i agree with that. as you know, i have come back from the country two days before the hearing reproduces much is because before the hearing and everything that we hadn't yet

produce until after. >> that is an interesting thing is that you just made. are you aware that some of the e-mail so we got from your county didn't get from you, but from other sources? >> i'm sure that's true because i had deleted some. >> that you would not have given us everything and your statement about leaving things would be incorrect. >> that's not true because i gave you everything that i had. >> mr. silver, want to read any notes even want you to help me walk through it. don't send an e-mail on a department of energy e-mail with private e-mail addresses. that makes them able to be subpoenaed. are you concerned about subpoenas? >> as i said, congressman. >> no, i was here for a. >> that e-mail was an attempt to remind and admonished the staff who had received an earlier e-mail on a server that somebody had included some of his personal e-mail address on and they should try to keep those things separate. >> why is that? what was your concern with the

subpoenas? >> i wasn't concerned that anything specific. >> why did you use that phrase? >> that is not a throwaway line. >> there's no question about it. >> i think it was what you intended to communicate. but my question to you is what were you concerned with us or is being subpoenaed? >> i was not concerned. >> then why did you say it? that makes them able to be subpoenaed. >> is trying to remind them of their personal e-mails and whatever that includes whatever they are doing. >> don't you think that flies directly in the face of the federal records act that something could be discovered? is another word for discoverable. it means the same thing, essentially. >> yes. >> so the doe e-mails already have been discoverable and you were concerned that personal e-mails would be discovered. >> i was reminding the staff that their personal e-mails

should remain personal to themselves. >> i may have been what you meant, but that's not what he said. what he said was that that makes them able to piece subpoenaed or discoverable or could be found out. >> what i meant is that they did their personal and professional e-mail separate. >> has to specifically whether you were concerned that consumer might be a motive for using personal e-mails because you said it was all about e-mails and that you only forwarded e-mails that had attachments or documents and that made it difficult for you to read on your blackberry. you recall the testimony? >> yes, that is largely the case and i do recall that. >> did you forward and e-mails from your doe account that do not have documents attached to them? >> i'm sure that i didn't. >> well, if this came from your

personal account -- >> that does originate from a personal account. >> and it didn't have a lot of documents attached it wasn't necessarily hard to read. >> that is correct. >> is jackson, can you use my home e-mail rather than this one when you need to contact me directly? why did you say that? >> is the author of the e-mail chain was a friend and i believe that a personal tragedy a personal e-mail. >> is their ace exception in the federal records act for personal friend? >> as i have stated, my intention was to comply with the federal records and trent records at. >> that was not my question. it's not complicated question. are you aware of an exception to the federal records act, yes or

no or not. >> the federal records act tended to make sure the official business is captured in official government account. >> what she was e-mailing you, would you consider that official government business? >> as i said earlier, we had requested an official meeting. >> because that was a meeting in your professional capacity? >> so it was a professional e-mail that she sent to you and your response was contact me on my personal e-mail. >> the response included saying that we would want to set up the meeting. that we need to contact each other directly. >> is it possible that a friend to contact you about official business? is that possible? >> it's certainly possible. >> that is what has happened

here. >> i'm happy to answer your question. >> so why would there be an exception for friends to use your personal e-mail even if it might be official government work? >> there is official government work involved, then for the epa policy, it means that i would coordinate in to an official accounts of it could be kept for record and archiving purposes. >> i'm sure that you can see how a skeptical reader might reach another conclusion. >> i think that if someone has the intent to see something more there, that's fine. but the e-mail was scheduled through official purposes. >> and she used the richard windsor e-mail and she didn't have any trouble getting through you at that e-mail. and your response was can you use your home e-mail when you need to contact me directly. >> if you look at the entirety of the e-mail. >> is available on the website

but i don't have the entirety. >> viewable data that will help. >> thank you, gentlemen. >> making sure the record is clear. for allison to contact you come you had to give her windsor town and was in public. >> actually do not know about the account. i do not know. i don't have the e-mail accounts available. >> i think mr. trey gowdy in everything except once a question, you said in your testimony that if you would determine when something would be forwarded, isn't it true that you don't get to decide what's relevant, it it is the entire database that is often looked at or discovery. it's your private e-mail, you're deciding what you think and what is relevant rather than a neutral third party and i think that that may be part of what

trey gowdy was alluding to. but by a lobbyist contacting you, it becomes much more, well, what is relevant. with that, we go to mr. davis. it wasn't a question, but an observation that somebody had your personal government account and you gave them your personal account. that person was asking for an official meeting in that frame. you keep saying go to the website. welcome to the website shows that you have a lobbyist trying to do official business and someone who is trying to work with your agency and you are giving them a private e-mail and not telling them that spirit if you want to talk to me about the dinner dance, go to my personal e-mail. no, you were telling them here's my personal e-mail and to use it. you were not so specific on how to divide your personalized times with his friend and you

don't know how she got her nonpublic government account. >> thank you, mr. chairman. respectfully the e-mail chain, if you look at it as a request for a meeting that has gone through official channels. i dresser is allison and she says there's no business to be done. we think that you are a rockstar, and conversational in nature. so my only intent was to say, hey, friend, if you want to contact me directly, here's my personal e-mail account. business that was done was handed to a different channel, sir. >> ms. jackson, i appreciate that. let's understand that the ig and your former agency have made it clear that we have laws and will not have your entire chain of activities and they have discovered that what we are asking for simply no longer exists. so in the case of your activities using personal accounts, we will not get full

discovery in the public will not get it and the fact is that epa has not met its possibilities and quite frankly that into means that you have put up the risk of lawsuits were decisions made in which people suspect that e-mails that have been lost would help their case rather than yours and that is a real problem and the result is when people don't do their jobs writing clearly didn't do your is right when it came to making those available. and that is also in the record if you look at it. i apologize for the lateness of that. you're recognized. >> thank you, i do very much, sir. i try to make sure we have the facts straight. i have heard accusations from the other side of the aisle saying that some of the witnesses today broke the law.

because they use their personal e-mail accounts for official business. could you please answer this question, yes or no. is it against the law for a federal employee using nongovernment e-mail account for official government business? >> with the gentleman yield to make sure that the accusation is correct? i just want to add to that. because i think the answer is important. our allegation is not that people use private e-mails. but in many cases that those private e-mails of official business were not forwarded at any time frame until we were in discovery of subpoenas to the government. that is our agitation of breaking the law. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you very much. >> what determines clarification

and guidance we have provided, that it's but it's the recognition that personal e-mail accounts can be used and if they are used for official business, then that communication needs to be forwarded to their government account. >> so that they can be revealed. >> exactly. to be captured just as all government records are captured. >> let me ask you this. it requires that agencies preserve federal records regardless of how they are created. is that correct? >> that is correct. not every e-mail would even be of federal record. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> say that again?

>> not a every female would be a federal record if possible. can you explain what would be considered this? >> anything related to the business of the agency. so there is something of a personal nature that is not limited to the business of the agency, we must understand that it could or could not be successful. if they create an e-mail record using a nonpublic account, what should the employees do if they are transacting government business on that personal account? and that message needs to be ported to the government account so that it captured is a record. so the federal record at does

not conclude in a specific violation of the law. >> that is right smack i think that we all agree that federal employees avoid official business. but there are times when using a personal e-mail account is necessary. and while agency employees do not generally use personal accounts to conduct official business, there may be times when agencies authorize the use of personal e-mail accounts, such as an emergency situation and federal counts are not acceptable or when an employee

is initially contacted for a personal account. >> so sir, do you agree that there are times when an employee may use a personal e-mail account in order to perform their duty. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> thank you very much. i yield back. >> i think the gentleman and we now go to the gentleman from florida. >> you were the executive

director at the department of energy -- oh, when was the? >> november 2009 until the end of september of 2001 and. >> and you were in a position since the administration issued a significant taxpayer losses including cylinder? >> yes, i was in the head of the agency. >> not all of those ran into trouble during that time, but yes the amount that i see here that when you came and testified before us, as the breaking member at the july 18 hearing,

last year 2012, certainly no one i'm aware of even knew who the individual was either directly or indirectly. >> we negotiate with them and that is the nature of the business. i took the question, did we know anything about the history. >> we did know people like aaron price and others. >> yes, ira aaron price to yes, certainly he is one of the

partners. >> did we know he was a major investor in tulsa? >> well, did i know at the time? at what time? >> at the time that they received government loans? >> of course. i have not, but members of my staff had negotiated and he and the others on the terms of the transaction. >> did you communicate by phone or e-mail? >> undoubtedly both. >> i don't recall, but i wouldn't be surprised. >> what about the investor. >> is a client and partner. >> yes, did you contact him by phone calls? >> probably e-mail or phone calls, probably both.

>> you know also that he was an investor at the time? >> i did. yes, i did. >> do you still stand by your statement? >> yes, i do. >> i was responding to whether or not we knew in the investment world. the question about who is an investor. >> is trying to find out what kind of relationship and a few new people that you are giving the lone steer. question is always about what type of communications and communications that are personal in nature that also took place with the people that had a financial stake. >> i do know them personally.

>> okay, see you have been with this think tank since he left? >> i apologize again. >> and have you done any other consulting work and received any compensation from anyone else since you left? >> yes, i am on the board of several privately held companies. >> and the other firms that receive government assistance? >> no, sir. >> what about your relationship to some of the individuals that i just mentioned, what about contacts or employment. >> i imagine to individuals in particular which you have personal communications with.

what has been your relationship with them post your employment. >> i maintain a personal relationship with them, but i have no personal relationships. >> to any contribute to this in this way? >> not the best of my knowledge. >> okay, thank you, mr. chairman. >> the gentleman is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. you're welcome to the panel. >> i'm not quite sure what we are doing here today. but i guess to try to create an understanding with everyone. if we really want to look at the e-mails political and professional, we really ought to call a number of officials from

the previous administration stature. because there was a deliberate or convention 81 individuals, systematic. >> he was guilty of trying to protect the environment in the united states, and as far as i can tell from the evidence, among many other things he's doing, make sure that she got the e-mail right. now, i want to make sure i'm being fair to you, ms. jackson. but if you are this evil genius who is trying to misuse the property and eviscerate the concept, we want to get that underway. so let me make sure that i am following what happens.

when you became the administrator of the environmental protection agency, you had signed to epa e-mail addresses. is that correct? >> yes. >> and i am sure that it was only refacing after the economic collapse and you were really focused like a laser beam on these two e-mail addresses that you were given. they did a study done, you want to make sure that they worked and you call people to preview. and you spend your time on that. is that right? >> they had set up the account that they had for previous administrations. >> so this wasn't unique to you? >> no, sir, this was a practice that had become part of the administration before.

>> so your predecessor in the bush administration and clinton administration was similarly given two e-mail addresses? >> i cannot confirm, i do not know, but the media reports, i know that went back to the bush administration. >> okay, then they have to figure out a name. >> yes, sir, they asked for any. >> why would they not just a lisa jackson. >> i suggested adman jackson. and then there was a number. they recommended not to use something easily searchable because the database was searchable and people could search and find it, then that would negate the advantage of having a secondary e-mail. >> okay, got you. someone could actually, who shouldn't have access to what you're trying to do, make it happen. >> it meant that you would get too many e-mails.

>> but also someone could do this. and they thought that was prudent not to do it. >> apparently that is what they have learned through experience that. >> all right. so the name was richard windsor. is that correct? >> that is correct. throughout her tenure, that secondary e-mail account was used for official business. >> yes, sir i used it everyday in a so it wasn't is used? >> is an ap account. it was set up that way so that information could move and be captured. in fact, that is exactly what happened. when the epa is in the process of releasing thousands of e-mails in a okay, i'm sorry,

ms. jackson. some people demonize other officials on this administrations and try to make something bigger than it is. i'm reading the general counsel that is enhancing the agency's training with transparency in government. and to promote an environment that supports total work and flexible schedules. and i was intrigued by that. and i'm glad that you were going to promote that. but honestly now is not a lot. could you expand on that in terms of personal challenges as well?

>> i think that as i have come to learn more about this, there are three related issues, transparency laws, which really are about enhancing the public's trust in government, information security because we don't breaches, and thirdly the technology itself. i'm not a technology expert, but i would say i came to the agency, we did not have a robust training mechanism. and the chairman of the agency and i take full responsibility. and we can each do better. that is why we have gone back to make sure that we bring people to the agency and they really get robust training about everything that they have been wanted to get.

also that we promote sufficient means to see that e-mail or other documents for various access devices and those that comply with the federal records act. and this is information security. >> if you would allow me, we ran you have always been fair. to this point, i would like you to just talk about this. put aside whether someone systematically circumvent the law. my sense is that what goes on here is we are trying to meet multiple polls to see this law compliance with that law and you

know, sometimes we slip up. sometimes my daughter sends me a picture and it has nothing to do with my business. sometimes i have multiple accounts, i have facebook and twitter and i have to remember which is political and which is personal. and i'm busy. and could you talk about a little bit? and the insurer of compliance. because we do need to be fair to people and sometimes human beings make mistakes versus the insidious desire to circumvent the law because there's something going on. >> a common theme for me has to

do with exactly what this new director is directing. and that is the need for getting serious about compliance and the need for training and the need for adequate technology and the responsibility of a senior agency official to take responsibility within the agency and better certification of managers and creating job descriptions in the federal government. this is a development on a new culture around records and involves inspector general and legal counsel and the cio and the entire agency and helping make the transition much more robust. as the chairman said when he opened his hearing, to make it possible for americans to know what is going on. that is the purpose of the

keeping of the record. >> is a huge conundrum. as debates what strikes me as yet another example for the practices and policies and technologies for capturing them right at the moment, everything shifting over to the proprietary platforms and services and what is called over-the-top. so if you're used to doing the text messaging on your phone, if you would be doing something that looks and feels the same, but it's actually part of the system that doesn't even exist. so i actually think that just from listening, one thing that is clear is that as technology evolves, agency practices must

keep up. the human practices of training and periodic reminders and if i could add an idea to my list as a fourth item, it would be a departure checklist so you could go through with someone from the relevant records management official in the agency and you do to do some of the only things that you should do. we ran to my personal account, we typed in the searches, we got the e-mails which could be captured it and forwarded over. and these officials tried to be conscientious as well. so this made up for a lot of the technological gaps. >> mr. chairman, thank you so much. i think the gentleman. no one has argued that there

will be an overt in years. we're talking about here and thousands of pages of e-mails, which frankly the last time we didn't have all those and we now do. i want to go back where some of my colleagues were earlier in an exchange that you had with trey gowdy where he said convenience may be an explanation for why they entertain on their personal accounts. would you also agree that concealment could be a motive for folks who wanted to do this? your response was that it was certainly not my motive, sir. and yet we have this e-mail that i think the chairman has talked about where you have committed to speak about this. were they talk about the private

addresses that makes them subject to subpoena. so i just want to ask you, you know, i think the conclusion many would breaches it looks like you you're not being square when you answer this question back on july 18, 2012. >> all i can say is that i was not trying to evade anything in the e-mail you have put up your was a reminder and an admonition to a small group of staff. >> why not send that back on the government account. >> well, i don't know what happened there and i don't know where i was to what happened is i think he was trying to conceal it. let's go to the e-mail. the reason is because, i think, we talked about this the last time and i think you're trying to help your friend we got an e-mail and they got money from

the loan guarantee program. >> that is correct. >> in on this e-mail you're talking about ceo of an organization asking to give taxpayer money. the guest bedroom isn't ready, so the next e-mail you're talking about this as well. he said this is an e-mail between you and mr. willard, where they're asking to give taxpayer money and asking you to write a letter to the white house chief of staff. pretty important, they ask you to edit the letter that john, who would later become his secretary, who is the chairman of the board, they ask you to edit a letter that you're going to send the white house chief of staff. so it seems to me that common sense would say you were

concealing things using private e-mail accounts because you were trying to help your buddies taxpayer money. in fact, you're doing it so much that you are so focused on helping your friends get money in this program that you are editing the letters that they're going to send the white house. now, that is unbelievable. something doesn't look quite kosher here. >> as i said the last time -- >> you do have a letter, right? >> yes. >> that went to bill daley, white house chief of staff. you edit it and it was supposed to go to him. and you say that the lone loan closure was between the budget of energy. >> houseman, if you read the first two sentences of an e-mail, you will see that i say that i don't think this is a particularly good idea. but the point i made to you

before. >> you're making my point. because he was your friend, you are willing to do it even though you didn't think it was a good idea. >> alone had already been conditionally approved by bickerstaff at the department of energy. >> i think you're missing the point. >> no, sir. >> he asked you a specific question and we did not have does e-mail. we didn't have that secret answer that wasn't part of my motive even though we have an e-mail and that don't ever give the department of energy in your e-mail. and we had you helping your friends, here. that is what the record clearly shows. i think anyone with common sense can make that conclusion. to add insult to injury, this is the part that we forget. the taxpayers not only had a concealed from them, but their representative was not only lied

to, but the program had 22 of the 26 companies that got money and had a credit rating of a grade d. and the taxpayers were held all the way around with your friends, you were not square with congress. finally we have the lobbyists who put that up as well. adding insult to injury. finally we have your lobbyists since the committee just a couple of days ago, don't direct any questions to mr. silver. it is unbelievable. i mean, misleading member of congress and he's asking questions and you can help your friend and was taxpayer money and have the gall for your lobbyists to tell members of congress and ask them not to ask any questions.

you'd think a taxpayer i take offense to that whole scenario and that whole narrative. >> i think that that is a wholesale mischaracterization of what happened. >> did you not send e-mail sanest? >> i did not cemented my stomach did you edit this, the e-mail being asked to take this? >> only after they added that. >> okay. is it not true that they didn't ask questions? >> i knew nothing about that? >> sir, i don't know anything about that.

>> the chairman and i agree that we would look into that particular issue because it is an attorney and client situation and we would look into it jointly. >> finally, isn't it true that solyndra had filed for bankruptcy? >> yes, which brings the total loss to 3% of the portfolio. millions and millions of dollars. >> a fraction of what congress had appropriated. >> what is your point. >> my point is that not every opponent will be successful but the vast majority has been maxa that is a success story? >> the program is a success.

>> a grade d privacy rating, and that is a success remapped. >> is a function of a speculative rating. >> it looks like you should pay a little bit more attention to it. >> the ratings are included as undertaken by the courier. >> you help your friends, taxpayers lost a bunch of money and your lobbyists had the gall to say this. >> i did not do so at all, sir. >> is not concealment when you tell someone not do this because it's subject to subpoena? >> it is not in the way that i understand that. >> is a common taxpayer that might think that that looks and

sounds like concealment to me. >> i can understand that there is a difference. but that is not what i meant, sir. >> we now recognize the gentleman from arizona who is online next. >> the gentleman from arizona. >> and you, mr. chairman. "the washington post" reported that over the past 12 years, there is a high level of the environmental protection agency that was cultivated and explained lengthy absences including the cia in some capacity. for years apparently no one checked and now there is more

than $100,000 from epa by receiving pay and bonuses that people did not deserve. our question is for lisa jackson. did you alias when an ethical behavior award from epa? >> when i use my secondary official epa account -- >> as richard windsor? >> it was windsor.richard at epa.gov. >> i did not answer question yet. when i use that to take any kind of training that i thought was important for me to do, the end of the training certified the completion on the name on the account. so i cannot -- i'm a private

citizen and you can direct it as to what was awarded. >> and you receive this? >> i did not. >> the use of his secondary name is common practice in our congress has already said that there is nothing wrong with having these official accounts. and you can quibble with the name if you like, but what i did was -- >> the gentleman must of done the same thing. >> richard windsor -- did anyone remind you that using his alias for official business was prohibited? >> no, sir. in fact it was earlier stated that one may have secondary or

multiple official government accounts. and that was done for time management and to doing my job. >> did richard windsor received any kind of epa. >> i don't even understand your question. >> any time during your service with the epa, did you receive a bonus? >> i do not believe that. >> did you receive any pay whatsoever as richard windsor? >> i worked for the epa for 15 years and i received bonuses as a career employee. addressing that my time? when i was epa administrator, i receive no salary increase or go next. >> thank you.

>> i think the gentleman. >> mr. mclaughlin, you brought some interesting ideas to the table. in the private sector i am a health care professional and we have a check list and i like your idea. but you have to have a pre-checklist and so i think where i'm going with this question is i want to see some rectification. i'm not happy with what i hear. you look at the process, do you feel like it was right? >> i think, mr. chairman, that we kind of need to look at this in the training was not robust at the head of the and agency. and we i think we have have

better training. i also think that we need to tighten and enhance our policies. as a played out just yesterday with personal e-mail, we need to narrow the use of it and get that into the federal records. in my case, 99% was already in a government system somewhere. so i do think that i i have learned a lot in these last three or four months, that we need to do better and i applaud the committee's efforts with regard to house bill we are trying to move forward with honest. >> i am it on personal responsibility and leadership starts with me, whether it's my hygienist or receptionist, anything goes wrong is accountable to me. it seems to me that we need some type of a third-party oversight in the state had a little bit

more jurisdiction than just an inspector general. >> i'm alluding to the department of justice. >> i know that our laws are vigorous as to how it should be amended. but our inspector general looks at it specifically for congress and said that there was no laws that were violated. >> would you agree that we need to have some different types of this in here? >> this is my second term of congress. i have no ability as a member of congress to actually get records, in many cases, whether it be from previous administrations or this administration, it's part of my constitutional duty, and i think that we also should have the department of justice been involved in some kind of oversight of these records. >> i think part of this education process for this

agency, reminding the inspector generals, which i have done personally a meeting with the chief records officer, that they have a role to play and it is not something that it has been followed through with to the greatest extent. >> is there any other thing that you can see in regards to the records? because we draw this out in the proceedings. do you have other ideas in regards to how he would approach this if we would have had a speedy release of documentation? >> i think that the capstone system by which we have instituted in the national archives has been part of that process and it goes a long way. >> utility was wrong? the practice? >> i got the feeling from both

sides that your comment was based on the previous administration and it's not an excuse. did it feel like it was on? >> no, sir. i feel as though i did everything i could to comply with the law and the policy as it was explained. >> did you even question the practice? >> as i mentioned, i question why can't i just have my name admin jackson but i did not question the secondary e-mail account. and as we have heard, it was view commonly and made recognized by the archive and as long as judgment is used to ensure that anything in the personal account is forwarded. >> you are forthright in regards to the acknowledgment of that. but we are subject to human display and there is always that

question. >> absolutely, there is an exercise in judgment in describing mess. that is exactly what i did to invest in my abilities and what i work you do every day. and so they are changing requirements, i think that training is a wonderful opportunity because as requirements change, i think there needs to be a compromise with this. >> you believe that they will also have some accountability? in the private sector when i make a mistake, i am liable for it. we must have accountability. >> i'm here because i wanted to explain this and make sure that my records were managed appropriately. >> you agree with everything as in regards to oversight? >> i would like to add that i came here today because i wanted to be able to explain what i did

and why i did it. and i believe very strongly that in order to be consistent with the requirements, which appeared to be changing, i do not envy him in that job. because this is a very complex situation. >> you agree with that? >> yes, sir, but i'm no expert, but it makes sense to me in my particular situation. i clearly would've benefited from additional guidance. >> it looks like interesting discussions should be an impartial type of jurisdiction. >> yes, sir, i agree with you. >> okay. you see anything that you had proposed is looking in hindsight, that you'd actually want to move forward with? >> i am not terribly qualified to offer the advice.

but i would say that there is a challenge with how to handle the relationships prior to coming into these offices and there could be some additional clarification and guidance. >> without penalties? >> i am unqualified to comment on that, sir. >> why not? >> i don't know. >> are you a steward of the federal taxpayer? >> always that was the. >> i think that is ultimate accountability. >> i completely agree the. >> okay do you have anything you'd like to add? >> i would just reiterate the world of technology is changing very fast. anyone entering federal service right now will have a multitude of accounts of people can reach them on. the best idea that i have been able to come up with a safety checklist and a post request to

make sure that you clear that. i commend the committee for the clarifications, which specify where you need to forward things in the five days in which to do it. but i still think the reason that i have laid out in my prepared testimony that will quickly be outdated and many have suggested other ideas including a public profile so that you are instructing people how to stir things in the official count. making it easier with official employees. i think all of these things would help, but ultimately, what you are depending on is people to exercise good judgment, and i don't think you might having these responsibilities. what i think is the general goodwill and federal employees across the board.

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analyst on main street radio network. [applause] our guest today has plenty awake to keep him at night it is his job to worry about the growing threat the dangerous new passages those of italy for americans but the world population. dr. tom frieden is from the cdc in one of the world's leading experts of safeguarding your health. leveraging disease threats can hitchhike rides to across the globe in one day and uncertainty moves as h7n9 and the kurtis virus has emerged. other concerns the doctor will address are highly resistant pathogens and

health care settings microbes and john from animals to humans in the emerging bacteria and viruses. recent findings show five killer microbes are resistant to all available drug treatments in one of six americans or 48 million get sick from contaminated food every year. that cost the u.s. $77 billion of health care treatment. dr. frieden has been director since june 2009 with trading with epidemiology and especially known for his expertise in kirk tuberculosis control he worked third 2002 then led the new york city health apart there he gave in to it tabes be an anti-a smoky work hit his work brought demonstrable results

including cutting teen smoking in half. he is a graduate of of a college and also received his master's from columbia university. he completed infectious disease trading at yale and published for the 200 scientific articles. this topic today the cough heard around the world. please join me to give a warm national press club welcome to dr. tom frieden. [applause] >> translator: q. do national press club and also to angela in the media in the public for being here. i'd like to tell you about something that happened almost exactly one year ago on the border between uganda and the democratic republic of cargo tragically a young

child died the child's mother carried the child to a nearby village that happen to be over the border for the funeral. with a 100 people came to the funeral and on the way back the mother became very ill and another person also give a person died the mother was admitted to a local hospital they contacted in research unit that cdc has worked with for more than a decade and supported. immediately went to the hospital and tested the woman for a particular infectious disease with a dipstick italy takes 20 minutes she tested positive in treated but she tragically also died. three people died was just a few days of one another.

the dipstick was positive for pneumonic plague potentially highly infectious. the station immobilized. it had confirmed the diagnosis within hours of hearing of the first case. they invested treatment program because you can prevent the progression of those who were exposed to many people were exposed at the funeral. they got preventative medicine within hours. within the next devours they went to every hut in the area to prevent plague with insecticides in this spread from rats to flees to people so this was a cough not heard around the world in and operate it did not happened and it did not happen because of a collaboration, a commitment

that started many years ago to work with the people of uganda, with the scientist in a science to develop something like a rapid test dipstick to and figure out how you could find common stock in preventive health problems and that fundamentally is what we try to do at cdc not just with the plague but also food borne diseases here in many diseases and conditions that we pay for but we don't have to. now a disease help break remise as we're all connected by their reprieved that outbreak a rare is a risk everywhere. despite that, i think there are those you think public health is passe. no longer is a relevant nationally or internationally and i would

provide the unfortunate exhibit number one for the mistaken belief over the past four years about 46,000 jobs have been eliminated by state and local government in the health department. in the stand that because it was a time of contraction but in state after state as budgets recover those jobs are not yet being put back. there may be a misconception that public health is no longer needed because of health care expansion and access. public health is not health care for poor people but health and for everyone there may be a misconception that clinical medication can take care of medicine while it is crucially important prevention in the community has the last in the foreseeable future to promote health there may be

the misconception that infectious diseases are over in the industrialized world but in fact, it continues to be and will always be with us. microbes are part of our lives and if we don't come to balance with them effectively be will continue to suffer from preventable illnesses. and of course, there are questions about what is the role of public health like addressing heart disease, cancer, stroke, dia betes? maybe we have crested with global commitment so there is some sense that public health is less relevant but rumors of the death of our exhibit -- pretty exaggerated. in fact, public health is more needed than ever with greater potential than ever.

i will go through why that is the case. we worked 24/7 with boots on the ground to protect people from threats or other infectious, chronic, environ mental this country or anywhere in the world intentional or man-made or naturally occurring and we do that with more than 15,000 employees with a budget of $30 billion in more than 2,500 staff imbedded in every state of the country with more than 60 countries around the world in a wonderful staff that i feel very privileged to work with. if you turn to any textbook one of the world's experts has depth and breadth with health care public health and promoting health. its our goal is simple help

people live longer healthier lives with the increase productivity is sound simple but not so simple in practice. it's the first thing to start with is to keep people safe. government's first responsibility is to the safety of the people around us the people within a community if we cannot do that then we cannot move on to the next level of what government should focus on. >> i don't think it is rocket science third figure out the solutions and then see if they are working to have that system to continuously monitor their working and adjust them if they are not. when it comes to infectious disease we have too broad trends that are concerning in the first as globalization of ready you fibrous anywhere is just up played right ray -- a plane

ride away. most seafood a sari. [laughter] if the cookies are fine. [laughter] but most seafood and fruit and vegetables most of the medication supply comes from other countries in addition we have three transeven the best one i have called a perfect storm of vulnerability. the first is the cost of the emerging e factions we have mers, coronavirus and h7n9. every year we identify a new disease and h7n9 and coronavirus identified last year in every day we start a new investigation for a threat.

h7n9 gives a remarkable example of the merging the section moresque and the value of collaboration. h7n9 is a combination of different types of influenza and when you ask public health experts what keeps you up that night, work wise they say improvements that because there is nothing that can kill as many people. in 1980 more than 50 billion people around the world were killed by a the flu in an average year with an 10,000 are killed. h7n9 is a form of influenza that is highly lethal that spreads readily from animals to people and does not make the animal six so we cannot understand but we don't have the effective vaccine we're working hard on it. for which we have virtually know-how immunity from

primary infections the only thing protecting us right now is the fact that it does not yet spread from person to person for carcanet predicted that will happen tomorrow, 10 years, or never. but with the emerging infectious diseases that not -- the question is not never but when or where. said first is the cost of the emerging infectious diseases hot what if we if the pound hiv 50 years ago? what a different world today i worked for more than a decade with tuberculosis and i was infected in fact, while volunteering in the clinic's 24 implemented control procedures but tuberculosis reminds us that we are all connected by the

air we breathe. i remember one patient died care for for almost two years in new york city he came over from our rural area of the southern state of india and said he now had a drug-resistant strain in is very difficult to trade in dismally to be treated it was so bad that we had to remove part of his long. so bad we tried experimental treatments so bad he needed intravenous medication given over one year and his wife was a nurse and she couldn't minister the medication and all of that 20 years ago cost over $100,000 today it would be three or 45 times that amount. years later went to india were help the government of india in the state government to implement a program to be tuberculosis that could have prevented his drug resistance for $10.

if we fail to stop the resistance for all everest all over the country and in fact, we have seen it resistance spreading through the hospital said the united states one of those types of organisms is called carbapenem-resistant enterobacteriaceae it is actually a really scary organism because it spreads from what is the negative organisms to other negative organisms between the species and contains resistance not just one antibiotic that multiple types see you have the reality that some strains are spreading in long-term care facilities and hospitals with the.

put the door is not yet completely open and we still have time to shed in stop the spread of many of the organisms. by doing that we can protect ourselves and others but we have to do that with collaboration with the health care system first with the emerging diseases hall and the third unintentional diseases. we already had anthrax used i gave the example of the cluster plague is one of the organism's we're concerned about potentially being used as a pilot been. unfortunately the same tools that enable us to do we have not done before and are also available to the bad guys who could create resistance

easily spendable highly virulent organisms to disseminate those around this country or around the world. what do we do about this perfect storm? find common stock, prevent. if your logical you would say prevent, stop, then prevent but without going into detail the way public health works is by trying something on in figuring out been going back to use it to change practice and policy. finding what is of a problem then stopping the problem and based on what works that is our approach. if you start with talk of finding things we cannot stop them but h1 in 1e

merged in mexico. we do not expect that it was there couple months before recognize actually was recognized by cdc in california if we had known supplements earlier the age one and one had the merger would have started and the vaccine several months earlier it to better understand surveyed said it caused by the blind spot in the water -- and you were in the world is a risk to us everywhere one of the things that is very exciting is the ability to test using molecular techniques to unlock the revolution on microbes. when i started as the epidemic intelligence officer it took months to sequence a tiny part of the genome then months more to interpret the massive amount of data that we got now the

same type of test can be done in just three hours. but we have not yet learned to some of that will not be useful and we have not yet learned how to do that quickly to apply a rapidly in we are suffering for that as we try to find that quickly to stop how they are spreading so we have not unlocked the genome of the challenges of infectious disease control but we had made progress experienced a laboratory networks food board illnesses in every state in 80 countries around the world. we have disease detectives to find and stop we have done that not only in this country of 40 countries around the world to train 3,000, 80% stake in the host country or the home country

with positions of leadership and implementing programs. it is not enough to count things said take the tale of two outbreaks one of them feel outbreak of hysteria from colorado the colorado department of health they were alert and realized on a friday afternoon for those of you have ever worked as public health you know, all crisis happens on a friday afternoon they realized they had a big increase they worked isuzu weekend that there was no alternative no replacement we're finding out what people say in where they were in who they were exposed to that is the core part through the weekend within days they had identified the vehicle of the infection and remove

them and prevented dozens of deaths. compare that with be outbreak in the e.u. of the e. coli from the sprouts misidentified and solidified the basalt was billions of dollars lost to the economy. people becoming sick who did not have tussaud the ability of public health to find and stop the outbreaks is in everyone's best interest. china story is a great collaboration of that when saar's to merge they did not handle it well they cost the world $30 billion to deal with stars. when h7n9 came about we had 10 years of collaboration with the chinese public health authority to build on with trust, a capacity

building and from the first hours after they identified the organism there were absolutely transparent. they posted that genome want to the internet that allows us to download to created diagnostic test to use for any patient that is suspected with h7n9 influence and then we could make a vaccine to identify challenges and address those so now what we hope will be the effective vaccine is entering clinical trials that is worth two years of collaboration of working together to allow us to help the chinese to diagnose and set up a monitoring network to sequence the genome or become members of the who collaborating network survey required to post on the internet promptly when they

are identified that protects all of us in the course prevention is what we hear all about we like to see things not happen because that is of marco success. the most since the beginning is the diseases that don't happen but we still have a large unfinished prevention agenda if you look at the cost said pneumococcal vaccine is tremendous the effective it has driven down and avoided a huge base that we can prevent 4 million child deaths around the world so kids don't have to die if this tax season is scaled up as we anticipated have been with the vicious

rollout sabir very ambitious about this and we are optimistic it will happen we have a lot of measles cases they shot through all over again. '' in 1980 this is my first investigation and they were all over the u.s. over that period we had more than 55,000 cases measles is perhaps the most infectious if you take a room with a couple hundred people in there is one purses and coughing just three or four others that are susceptible they will probably get it. it is that infectious there is still more than 400 deaths today but we can make a lot of progress in the

course there are unfinished challenges. when i did my medical training 1982 through my time there 15 years of the aids epidemic it was a terrible time where the only thing we could do would be to help people die comfortably that is a terrible position for patients and families and the health care system. the discovery of retro viral therapy has revolutionized the treatment and that emergency program for aids relief has been an amazing success story around the world. there are now more than 5.5 billion people around the world alive, the learning, a teaching in raising kids that would be

dead otherwise the 1 millionth baby born hiv negative had not been for pat far a and that only save lives in turn the tide but also strengthen child survival rates and job mortality is lower in many places where pat car is operating. i should be involved in global health the we cannot keep american saved just looking in her own country we have to make sure we're not only protecting ourselves from diseases that could spread but also those that could be learned elsewhere we're also promoting stability around the world come increasing economic productivity around the world by having healthier communities.

we're ruining the reputation of america will never forget the woman i met in nigeria holding her twin babies in her hands in she said to me i am hiv-positive but my babies are negative because of pepfar please go back to think american people for me. ultimately our work is so important because it is the right thing to do we hear great country for very small investment we can make a massive change in the truly billions of people. but it is not just about infectious costs while there is a rumor that i approach every smoker to get them to quit personally it is not quite true. cabdrivers, sometimes. [laughter] but as a public health professional in would be a dereliction of duty if i did

not work to reduce tobacco it is the leading cause of death in this country in the world globally tobacco kills more people than tuberculosis a of malaria and aids combined there is a misconception that tobacco is dealt with the we have more than 45 million adults who smoke one out of five. we still have 445,000 death more than 1,000 per day from tobacco and it is highly addictive. most americans who have ever smoked have already quit most to continue to smoke want to quit. yesterday we released the results of the first ever national campaign against tobacco funded by the prevention fund of the affordable care act the funds were about $50 million

that is what the industry spends in three days because we had troops on our side in the reality it made a huge difference 6 million americans seeing those ads to encourage them well over 1 million americans have quit in by the most minimal conservative estimates for the 100,000 americans quit smoking for life. tens of thousands of americans will not die early death from tobacco because of that ad campaign. it was a tribute to the court -- courage of smokers to came forward who said i want other people to assume i am living with as a smoker. 80% of smokers saw those ads and yesterday we had a media briefing a woman ms. hancock

came from kentucky because she wanted to tell her story. she has note 17 years starting at age 21 and tried to quit many times it was watching booktv one day when her son who was five saw the ad of terry hall a courageous woman was had cancer and a tracheotomy and shared in the first round of the campaign would it is like to get dressed when you have had it tracheotomy in the second round she shared one of the tragedies of her life as her grandchildren will never hear her normal voice so her tip was record yourself to seeing the lullaby now before you sound like this and her son said will you sound like that? live because of her she quit smoking for good.

that kind of change and evidence based intervention we know what works it is just a question of investing to insure our society is structured so if you go with the flow you will end of healthy rather than sec if you go with the flow you can go about your business to enjoy your life not have unduly high health care cost in the remarkable thing about the time we live in now is the new opportunities for progress. the advanced molecular detection the collaboration between health care and public health and the ability to get the best of both worlds to reduce sick days and increase productivity and reduce disability. i think for the next decade decade, the leading challenge for health is to strengthen the collaboration between health care and public health.

i think this opportunity is so important because we can focus not just on expanding on coverage which is important. that helps to stabilize. that means businesses and individuals can afford to do more but we can transform our whole system to make a huge difference and i would use the same three system approach of find stop prevent. there are so many that are hiding in plain sight nearly one at a five people that live with hiv don't know what they're in the health care system frequently most with hepatitis c don't know it better in the health care system regularly. a surprisingly high

proportion of people with high blood pressure don't know it but they have been in the system regularly. finding things is the first at stopping things to treat effectively right now we don't do the job we need to do over all with the health care system we can bring the table to the table to show that high blood pressure on the 47% have it under control hiv was than one-third of american that is despite spending of lot of money despite those we need to do all three of these things to increase quality of prevention. prevention is through vaccines, screening, more rational use of medication

fees can make a huge difference as well as the conditions that the healthy workplace reduces the people getting sec. this is crucial in two rings of a bird to really change the health of the individual of a community and the country and one last example hospital infections are all too common is they get sick with something else each year 100,000 people die from these cost tens of billions of dollars are spent on health care infections we have made a lot of progress we're down by half and others not so much but i want to tell you a story

that haunts me. when i was a medical resident in 1987 i if meditations to the hospital who caved in with a very severe intestinal problem who was in the emergency department for a long time more hours and we would currently allow he can look to the floor right to keep detailed history. as i was getting ready to leave i noticed the intravenous line was a tiny bit red he was only in the hospital for less than 24 hours very unusual to have an infection in less than 48 hours but i did not feel right i tried to start the id to remove that i eighth tried maybe even seven times i was pretty good if that i would pride myself people would ask could do start

nav? his favor collapsing it could not a duet. in the morning and will get a surgeon to make the decision. a few hours later he developed sepsis and transferred to the intensive care the bacteria growing out of his blood was the same that grew out of the tip of the intravenous line. over the following weeks one thing after another went wrong his kidneys stopped working, required able the tories support his intestinal problem got worse and ultimately he died. he was a well-known jazz musician and a wonderful man. call that would not have happened but there is no reason any patient has any undue risk and sadly they

happen tens of thousands of times each year and by collaborating in working together between public health and clinical medicine we can drive the numbers to help people live longer and healthier lives this is why we always think of the faces and the lives why we work 24/7 to protect america from threats. think you very much for listening. [applause] >> lots of questions on a wide range of topics. what is your biggest worry about u.s. spending on public health as congress face is the looming budget deadline and nothing elsewhere?

>> over the past two years the cdc budget has not done well in the budget discussions in fact, is the lowest of has been in a decade we have additional programs through the prevention fund but it is to remind people what is urgent is not what is most common intercede most readily but in order to protect people better to stop all breaks are reduced disability we need to invest in prevention are concerned is given that this cdc budget is relatively small it is easy to forget that small part of the budget is also is a cost-effective part that if we cut it we put all of the country at a greatly increased risk. >> specifically at the cdc

what flaps' d.c. if sequestration continues? >> unfortunately things that have already been very challenging. for example, we have not been able to invest in molecular science to the degree that we should. that means there are outbreaks happening today we cannot recognize zero or stop effectively. a second area is lead poisoning prevention we also have a longstanding commitment because it is our own steady to the examination survey that identified lead poisoning was prevalent in our kids that led to the elimination of lead paint. we have a lot of progress but unfortunately the

program that has gone on for decades has been dismantled real losing the ability to track and identify and protect the next generation then to support the state and local governments sequestration added thousands of more job losses to that. every time someone is not there to identify data outbreak that started to stop it promptly or prevent effectively using or putting people at risk in a way that could be avoided. >> talk about the marriage of public health and medicine with patients how reduce the obamacare affecting this have an effect on public health? >> there are a lot of things the affordable care act does

if you break it down to the component parts you will find there is less controversy it otherwise. cdc data shows 3 million kids have health insurance coverage through their parents' plans they would not have otherwise. 6 billion seniors are not paying for drugs they would otherwise. added bare minimum 200,000 preventable deaths per year from blood pressure. if you look over the past 10 years the number of death has come down substantially people who have medicare otherwise senator characters are often uninsured the rate came down a little bit the because of the population increase the numbers did not come down at all health care

coverage saves lives it will allow people to get high cholesterol smoky and cessation treatment in an end in addition there are many aspects that recuse co-payments for preventive services. . .