officer with the agency of international development, and i was previously the officer in charge of central american death. as we look at a lot of issues in central america, and basically -- central american desk. the idea that most of the poor people do migration within a region, maybe in central america, but then i read in your prologue the kidnappings in a certain period of time were poor central americans and the mexicans as the effect of the drug wars going on. this is a key issue, because we've got a disease in central america right now for coffee plants called coffee rest. it's going to impact about 3 million workers in central america that work in that sector. they're talking that maybe 40-50% loss of the sector and loss of their employment. if they can move north, i think

they may. i'm not sure this is on anybody's radar screen, but if you're right that they won't move north to build basically change their area of location, that will also have an impact. i want to get your perspective on what could happen. this is happened in the past and that the get different types of outmigration from central america before, but this one is pending and it's coming up. >> well, i mean, it's not inconceivable that a small percentage of them will try to move north and eventually come to the united states. historical experience says they'll mostly immigrant within the area. that's what happened normally in central america. it's happened even in mexico. migration into mexico, something people don't talk about all that much. i know the experience of my home country, peru, very well. it's a country that in the last 50 years has seen, i mean,

colossal amounts of migration internally. so much so that everything has impacted the economy and institutions. the story is no different than the united states. domestic immigration is four times larger than international immigration for the united states. so it's just a pattern that seems to be repeating itself were put i don't know exactly what would happen with those people but if we go by historical precedents, it's very likely that will not have a huge impact in terms of international migration. it of course would probably have an impact domestically in terms of the economy. that will take us into the whole issue of the central american economy, institutions, the drug were and all of that. but different issue. >> uzbeks and do some research and it looked from 2000 -- 2010,

the increased importune of different countries of market. central america was 16.5% figure is off the charts compared to any other origin. annex was neither sent for south america. mexican country of origin, people not born here was like 2% increase. something is happening to you map it onto. it's incredibly difficult to come the people are so come. entrances america that are really coming. >> but that's because central america's not doing that well and mexico has been doing a lot better in the last few years which is why i have predicted that a few years from now the debate in the u.s. will be one hell of going to get immigrants from because the mexicans don't want him anymore. mexico is growing at 4% a year. a new president wants to reform in -- once engage in corporate if it does that will go up to 6%. so mexicans will becoming less

and less. probably they will be replaced by central america for a while until central america takes other forms they needed to address and we need to get rid of the drug war. it's devastating whole area by the would. in which case we will need to go and find them. in iceland maybe, i don't know where. it's going to be initiative leaving, it will be initiative is this being recorded somewhere? 20 years from now the mexicans will not want to come to the u.s. anymore. >> it's interesting, since 2008 of lawful migrants coming, haitians have outnumbered hispanics. when you use the word hispanic brother, i'm an american so you said central and south american. haitians have outnumbered them in terms of the lawful migration system. the gulf is getting wider every and every day. asia is the new source going forward of immigrants to the united states. it's going to be the new poster for dynamic.

i predict my kids when they are adults look back and say why were so many people upset about hispanic immigrants are mexican immigrants? then they'll be like, but these indians, or the southeast asians, they are different. they are taking our jobs. that's what i'm going here in the future, not only for my own kids but also from other people in society. >> it's fascinating and i think encouraging discussion and help our friends up on capitol hill pay attention to the points made today, especially read alvaro vargas' book which is on sale here at a discount for all of you interested. thank you all for coming, and please join me in thanking a great speakers today. [applause] >> there is a luncheon upstairs. >> you are watching booktv on c-span2. 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books every weekend.

>> the romance of the mob, those of you who are mafia boss, a certain degree it's romantic but the level of brutality to it that is just terrible, okay? you can never, as evident by what people say to me by coming into the computer, don't you get captured by this? don't you kind of lost into these guys are? the term moral captures what a federal prosecutor their use to describe when he saw it happen the length of vector. he we were a pinky ring, wear gold jewelry, every other word in so cabinet was an f-word because he says in the book i had to get with these guys. i had to convince the him to trt me. in fact, after a certain point, you begin to cross the line. sizer journalist, it's fascinating to i do everyday

audit myself to don't fall in love with these guys, okay? think of the joe pesci scene in goodfellas where steps a guy to death with a fountain pen. that's what you got remember, okay? not everybody in the mob is like that, but this is the second son. this is how he ended up, okay? this is him with fbi surveillance to outside a social club. this is where he in the mid '80s he paid his dues with the government. he became, most probable cause for the wiretaps game from scarpa senior. they can argue, then cause of his championship season is book, that the mafia, the back of the monkey was broken when carmine on the left goes to prison. fat tony, and anthony. you have to have a middle name

like if you're in the mob. they all go to jail and that's what makes rudy giuliani. this is one of the stories, i'll tell you from a book, that is like wow. anthony gaspipe caso county was the underboss, took over after others went away. he went after john gotti and yet it had put a bomb in the car of a guy named frankie the chico. john gotti was it there and frankie died. he was blown to bits, okay? and so now there's a contract out on anthony casso and three young guys came and shot at them when they and he was eating an ice cream cone in his car. he survive. but he wanted to know right away, who are these guys? i'm going to give them. this is an interview on "60

minutes" and he says to bradley, doug but the most famous murder, jimmy, one of the shooters. so they got him off the cops on going to -- they were living in vegas as you know were arrested in vegas. i wrote a pilot for a series called missing persons on abc. my first trip to las vegas was to watch them shoot the script i read about three days early. i would tell people i start at the top of the work my way down. but that was my first trip to las vegas. them off the cops are duly the biggest organized crime law enforcement star of the last 10 years, and they were later convicted of supplying information to casso that you choose to kill people to guess what he told me? he told me that jimmy come most

famous murder, the cost delivered him to invite intelligence he got to learn that he was the shooter, he got from scarpa senior we please got from lynn del thank you. this is another part of reinventing. he said a brand i shot him a couple times. about 12 to 15. >> anyway, anthony dignity from prison. that was an eye-opener. this began the comparison to whitey bulger. i told the story in my book, cover-up, about lynn tobacco and introduce this whole story, the whole thing is in my second book. the brooklyn da called the in september of '05. the book came out in a forbes fo

about a year later they call meehan and congressman william delahunt of massachusetts have been a prosecutor into the whitey bolger case also contacted them, as did angelo, this forensic investigator, a lot of these files, and the consequence of the three of us, resulted in lynn del back you on the 30th of march, 2006, came up from sarasota ford when he retired with a full pension and was indicted on four counts of murder. on the right, that's him the night before surrendering. they allowed him to surrender but the next day after he was $1 million bail was set for him. 50 x. agents supported him, showed up in lieu suits, white shirts, either red ties or blue ties and they surrounded him as he walked out and patterns street from brooklyn supreme court. noticing unlike you've ever seen. they were like pushing people away. it look like hooligans at the uk

soccer match. banging guys out of the way. protecting them while reporters were trying to ask questions. they called it body checking. senator grassley of iowa mentioned this to the judiciary committee hearing about whether even retired fbi agents should be so quick to protect somebody who's presumed innocent, of course but the tactics were pretty wild. the trial started in like october 15 of '07. headlines like this every day in the new york tabloids. agent of death. they basically had convicted him, but the star witness, one of the star witnesses was the woman i told you, and it was alleged by these reporters are kind of left you'll see jerry, probably the most famous and the greatest contemporary report on organized crime. he had a column called gangland.

even had played himself in the sopranos. so tom robbins, the kind of work with him. had interviewed lindh in 1997 for a book they're doing and they claimed that it can suspicious they claim they just happen to look for the text just before trial. and for your now who is going to be the star witness but whatever. on the right is mike. a lot of these names -- i'm half italian. so half of my book is accurate, all right? [laughter] but mike was the prosecutor. lynn was on trial, and so jerry who, by the way, when lennon was at the height of the colombo war, like the war was waged 91 to 93, 14 killed, including two innocent bystanders, six people literally that scarpa killed himself. lynn was leaking information to him that led to some of the

deaths which is why the brooklyn da invited him -- indicted him. they knew that linda was going to be one of the star witnesses. look at the headlines two weeks later. talk about a reversal of fortune. couldn't be happier. genuity did that night with his wife? they celebrate at a steakhouse over champagne. he was given his own little note of iraq. listen to what the judge writes. this is his decision dismissing the case. what is undeniable was the in the face of the obvious menace posed by organized crime from the fbi was willing to make their own deal with the devil. they gave scarpa virtual criminal immunity in return for the information to and policy willingly supplied. not only the fbi joe scarpa for his own crimes, they also

actively recruited him to participinimes under their direction. that he would be employed by the federal government is a shocking demonstration of the governments unacceptable willingness to employ criminality to fight crime. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> joining us on booktv is sarah weinman who is a news editor for publishers marketplace. here publishers marketplace. you to publish preview some of the fall 2013 books. sarah weinman, what kind of grade would you give the crop coming out this fall a book? >> i would have to say. no, is looking really strong. certainly looking over the nonfiction that's about to come out and as always there's a very heavy political fit but if you like especially important to remark upon the plethora of books that surround the upcoming 50th anniversary of the assassination of john f. kennedy. there's so many books that are

about to come out. it's hard to keep track, frankly. >> which ones do you have your eye on? >> well, first and foremost there's a new one coming up from james swanson to get written a very private best selling book called manhunt, which was about the assassination of abraham lincoln. and now he returns with the assassination of john f. kennedy and it will be out around the 12th of november. there's also from a different vantage point, sort of a council factual. we have jeff greenfield will be publishing if kennedy lived, an alternate history. use an alternate history before with much success to go be interesting to see what exactly he posits about whether jfk, if jk had lived. >> putting jfk on the cover of the book, is that a good

marketing to? >> i think it remains to be seen. it certainly can't hurt. he's obviously a very recognizable image and because there's that strong diane and people already reflecting on history, it's a very interesting and politically volatile time at the moment. serving i think putting his face on the cover will produce a lot of interest. spent also want to ask you about a couple of new history books coming out by some well-known historians. margaret macmillan on world war i, and doris kearns goodwin has a new book spent just. let's start with margaret macmillan. i mean, she first came to serious acclaim with paris 1919, and now with the war that ended these, the road to 1914 which comes out on october 29. this time she'll be presenting a history of europe from 1900 to the beginnings of world war one which again so much happened at that very pivotal time. it will be interesting to see

what, how she portrays it and what sort of night she comes up with and how she will put it into proper context. with the doris kearns goodwin, it's almost as if she is something of a brand name with respect to history. service time she's going to come up with "the bully pulpit: theodore roosevelt, william howard taft, and the golden age of journalism." it will be interesting again to see how she sympathizes what we know and what we think we know, and still what we don't know. >> is this her first book since team up for a rival? >> i don't believe so but certainly it's the one that is of particular significance. of course, team of rivals is back in the public consciousness because of the recent film adaptation by stephen spielberg and lincoln which was nominated were a number of oscars last year. spent another historic, bill

bryson. >> yes. he's going to be coming out with his own unique blend of history and personal recollections with one summer, american 1927, which looks at that one year, the one country alexander from a number of different vantage point. he's always such a joy to read so no doubt this will be no different. >> sarah weinman, is there a trend towards taking a year and writing a book about it? i know one of the jfk books is a dallas 1963. there's another new book out 1941. >> i think it's not necessarily even so much the year much as looking at a very specific time point but sometimes it can even be one day. i believe there's a book coming out by the "washington post" feature book writer, it will be out for a little while but is will be looking at one day in one year of history. i think it's because looking at something of such a micro level

allows for greater extract relation than the macro level. you can look at a larger swath of history by zeroing in and seen how a smaller amount of time can really inform that larger period. >> and unofficially with a new book out this fall, simon winchester spent yes, indeed. and begin simon winchester, he is excellent at finding case of time that we think we know something about but actually we don't know nearly as much as we think. so this time has a book coming out on the 15th of october called the men in the united states, america's explorers, inventors, eccentrics, mavericks for the creation of one nation. just like his previous books, i'm sure that he will synthesize and really blend history and adventure in all sorts of really interesting stuff spent a new

book out by jill lepore. >> that's right. with respect to jill lepore who again i have to admire her writing in "the new yorker," or pieces, i always look forward to reading. so this time around she is looking at benjamin franklin's sister in the book of ages. it turns out that jane, aside from restructure gumshoes a writer, reader and local commentator in her own right. as it turns out, benjamin franco correspond with her more than any other. there's this drove of correspondence that i'm sure that she will be drawing upon. i've already heard very good word on this book and have to say personally i'm very interested in reading it because i want to know more about what jane franklin was like and who she really was spent and jump or is also a professor at harvard. stephen cancer has another new book coming out, the brothers.

>> yes, that's right. certainly the dullest family is very important in american history. all their to do is look at one of the key airports in washington, d.c. it will be interesting to see how he portrays them, both as political figures but also as a family. >> pulitzer winner a. scott berg's book, wilson, is already out. it's gotten very good use -- views. >> the word just came in that leonardo dicaprio's production company will be adapting it into a film at their stock that leonardo, lasting jay gatsby -- last seen as the great gatsby, will star as woodrow wilson. >> have you ever followed a book from being written and published into a movie adaptation to see what the process is like?

>> only i guess at a distance. i certainly have never been on fm set, and i believe in going to end up ms. quoting the great nor writer who want to mark when someone asked him what he thought of his work being adapted for film. he pointed to his bookcase instead my books are here on the shelf. in other words, the book is the book, the film is the film and sometimes they nation and sometimes the adaptation works out beautifully. sometimes also bit less so, or sometimes they just become wholly different works of art that have to be appreciated on their own terms. especially with nonfiction. there can be such liberties taken with the film which, of course, is trying to present it in a way that will entertain mass audience. so i think it's more instructive to see how it may be adapted and providers to delight in the fact that the work has been considered for act up teaching. spent and after the fall you'll be able to see all those new

history books on booktv. you mentioned at the beginning of our interview that this season, as with many seasons of books, starts political or has a strong political bend it to our to talk about some of the pundits have new books coming out, starting with ann coulter was publishing again with -- >> she had a very interesting publishing trajectory in that she start out more or less with regnery and she ended up with ground where she published a great many best selling new controversial books and then she ended up with a portfolio and she's back with regnery which is a publisher that really knows its conservative audience. and they wonder whether that means that she has fallen out of favor with the masses, or if her type of political commentary is only applicable to a certain

niche audience. we don't know. times change. fortunes rise and fall, but one thing that is for certain is that she will certainly generate controversy and will find ways to be talked about. >> joe scarborough. >> so, joe scarborough, as i'm sure your viewership knows is one of the hosts of "morning joe." in this case he will be publishing a book in mid-november and it's called the right path but it looks from eisenhower to ronald reagan about how republicans were very adept at the political machine and how, in his words, they maybe able to do so again. >> and the former vice presidential candidate, sarah palin has, i think this is her third book, isn't? >> yes, it is. in this instance is published with an imprint called -- it's filled with her usual publisher of harper's column but she happens to move over with a different editor who now has its

own imprint devoted specifically to conservative minded books. so what's interesting about this particular book is that it has to do with christmas, called good tidings and great joy. ideas about in many republicans you points there's this quote war on christmas. and i believe she will posit how people may be able to fight the so-called war and how christmas can still keep a strong vantage point in the american public i. >> sarah weinman, these political pundits, do their books sell well automatically? >> what they're very a debt that is building a very committed and bays, a very strong audience from the get-go. what would be a challenge for pundits on both sides of the political spectrum is whether they can reach a mass audience. it's one thing to have a dedicated fan base to buy a few

books, but in order to consistently be part of -- after reach far beyond your usual fan base. as our spoke about with an ann coulter, we've seen over bit of a contraction. it may just be a matter of redefining what her core audience is. i think it's the same thing with the former vice presidential candidate sarah palin and to some degree with joe scarborough as well. but any warning is don't be sure about who your audience is easy change on a dime, and it's important, if not going to completely reinvent yourself, at least try to find new ways to reach new people whenever possible. >> another msnbc commentator, al sharpton, has a book coming out this fall as well. i wanted to start asking about his publisher. it's called cash money. are you for money with a publisher? is that self-published? >> i don't believe it's a

self-published, but certainly just speaking generally about new publishers, we are seeing lots of new publishers poppe. we also see lots of new imprints coming up. and we also see certain celebrities get afforded their own imprints within very large publishing houses. while i admittedly, off the top of my head, can't tell you a whole lot about cash money content, what i can say is it will enable the reverend al sharpton, his usual platform if not more so, to talk about all the things he needs to talk about. and in this instance, it is we're talking talking about how to redefine american readership, his reflections on life, and what may be possible for him and for america going forward. spent we can't conclude this sexual talk about one more msnbc commentator and that's chris matthews and his latest book, and it's more of a history book, isn't? >> yes, i believe so.

spent "tip and the gipper" is the name of the book. >> yes. as with all of the pundits, i'm sure chris matthews will find a way to talk about his book on the air and i'm sure he will find a way to generate lots of conversation both on the air and off the air. >> sarah weinman, what is publishers market place? >> publishers marketplace is an information resource for those in the publishing industry in the book trade, and it produces publishers lunch which is a daily newsletter that goes out to more than 40,000 new subscribers. we cover the publishing industry as comprehensively as can possibly be. >> what's the best website if people are interested in? >> you can visit publishers marketplace.com, and you can also see what i'm up to on twitter. my handle there is at sarahw. you can also reach publishers marketplace on twitter. our handle is publishers lunch.

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