providing financial help, military sup pries, even combatant to the assad government. do you have any speculation how iran is going to play in this cw destruction? are they going to be supportive, i mean, so you iranian nation that finds chemical weapons rather repulsive. how is this going work with iran? >> that's a really good question, greg. and we were talking about this before the session.

iran addresses in the publicly said how terrible he finds, you know, chemical weapons. it's important him to get rid of it. on the other hand you know what is the irgc doing? they can make a lot of mischief. so i don't really know. it's something to keep an eye on. i would narrowly define my task getting rid of syrian cw. somebody else can worry about the iranian stuff. i thought maybe you were going to head to how you, you know, support with intelligence and so on and so forth. and that can be worked out, i think. you can imagine when we were doing this in iraq, we a u2 which was flown at our behalf. now you could have uav or something, and perhaps keep an eye on what, you know, other groups are doing, but that will

be, you know, the head of this outfit whoever it is is going to have to determine how much information he wants to receive, he or she wants to receive from outside countries that will tell him about security issues, are there insurgents in the area. are there things moving in different ways? i don't know it's a tough question. i don't have an answer for it. >> i think we have been treated to an excellent presentation today on a thorny, complex set of issues. thank you for attending today. those viewing on c-span, please thank -- join me in thanking charles for his presentation today. [applause] [inaudible conversations] on the next "washington journal," we'll talk about the latest on a short-term spending bill that fund the government

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the plateauic institute housed this two-hour discussion. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] thank you very much, mike, for your introduction, and comments. i would like to join you to welcome in the audience. obviously we do have the speaker we're going to -- [inaudible] we have many colleagues right here. and diplomats. who are going try to enlighten us and provide the some insight

in to the discussion. it i would like to also welcome the new intern who are going to be right here with the international center on terrorism studies for the fall. we want to thank them also for supporting this event. organizing it, and particularly to thank mary ann, she's there, for -- please come in. we would like to acknowledge your coordination and your everything else and also we would like that thank c-span for their significant public service to to bring the discussion here to wider audience in the united. this will stimulate the debate

on critical issues. now, the purpose, if you look at our publication initially. i would like to mention -- [inaudible] it's very simple. if the united nations general assembly is convening for its 68th session, certainly combating terrorism is one of the major agenda issues. now, we look at the united nations and the new york, we are have to keep in mind that international cooperation in combating terrorism is really critical, but it's not only the united nations. we do, fortunately, many

regional and arrangement such as -- [inaudible] the african countries, the e european union who are playing a critical role not only to deal with terrorism, but with other issues. so the purpose would be to enlighten, i think, the public in term of what other organizations are doing, in order to advance international cooperation. as i mentioned before, i think from fundamentally there are two major concerns one, as we already discuss, terrorism. it's only one of many other challenges and of course, we have the natural disasters such as the earthquake now in

pakistan, and one aspect according to the reform that they try to undermine the security activities there to save lives and protect lives. so in other words, we have to look at mother nature disasters and man-made disasters including terrorism, including crime as we have seen the navy yard just last week. and more that is going on in syria and elsewhere. so fundamentally, i think we're going discuss not only the terrorism issue, but other risks and challenges to the international community. now, it is really critical, i think, in my mind, to mention that the historical lessons if

we, for example, the month of september, now. the -- [inaudible] we can recall during the month of september going all the way back to 1972, the munich olympics games. the entire world watched what happened in munich. then, for example, the 9/11 attack that mike mentioned, and about a week ago we -- 9/11. and then one of the most spectacular effects took place in islam when [inaudible] visited the school. the risk goes on and on. what is really important to keep in mind as far as terrorism goes, that the word

extraordinary moments of crisis of nations related to terrorism. and it's going on all the time we discuss the issue today. so if i may, i would like to present some graphics here in term of our discussion. not only that, but we're going discuss today issue of the in east africa, south africa, and africa. if we can look at the particular map that we tried to develop, in other words, the arc of instability, all the way from the atlantic to the red sea you can see very clearly that almost

every country has some concern with the al qaeda affiliate. and we're fortunate to have the ambassador from mali to discuss this as well. we're concerned all the way from west africa and nigeria, mali, and elsewhere. t presently some major incidents, and, of course, the situation in kenya. if one can look, we try follow the graph and the statistics -- according to our studies, we believe, and i wish we would be wrong about that that is a post 9/11, the year 2013, is going to be the bloodiest year yet.

we can go in to some of this issue now particularly what i want to mention before i introduce our distinguished panel, is to mention that why the situation in kenya and that nay row bee that al qaeda is alive and well and kicking in the past couple days. they also attacked in the region. what is happening, the al-shabaab and the affiliate of al qaeda they think globally but they initially, locally, and regionally. as i say globally, it really means in addition to the sub

national group, we have to consider the role of state-sponsored terrorism such as syria, iran, and so on. the bottom line is this, as far as the outlook, i would like to suggest that fundamentally we're going see about three different trends. one, propaganda. many use the -- [inaudible] secondly, that we have seen for example in kenya and elsewhere. thirdly it's -- [inaudible] the cyber iphone revolution and so on. we have to be also concerned

about the role of women in present day such as black widow or the white widow apparently calling to the report that she was involved or not involved in kenya, and we have to be also concerned about -- [inaudible] we have to be concerned about the future generation, which really means that children. now it give me great honor to invite our panel. i will introduce them according to their organization. i won't go in to details. ambassador, who is the ambassador of the -- [inaudible] states in the united states. he has a distinguished, i think,

career in diplomacy, serving in the different countries like turkey and venezuela and mali and so forth. he's the university of -- [inaudible] an the lecture of many institutions in this country and abroad. it is a privilege to invite him, because we had representative from the arab league before you spoke at the event. and i look forward to his comments, not only related to the issue of service but the security concern of the arab states. mr. ambassador.

thank you. thank you, brother yonah. i would like to thank the panel. i don't have all the names. but it's interesting they have a colleague from mali. when i was the head of the saudi mission in mali, he was the second -- now we meet here as ambassadors. he represents mali under -- [inaudible] to present saudi arabia. for 35 years. i thought it was the microphone. but i don't need it, surely. it's a small room. otherwise, i will change my -- little bit my topic. it's since i mean i saw -- not just --

[inaudible] and so on. this is terrorism. volume of literature now since 9/11 on terrorism. i will speak about terrorism in can data, because in 2001 i was in canada at the time. i was ambassador of saudi arabia. i spent most of my time dpe vote to the topic. i will try to shift my topic from that. i will give you an idea about our relationship that changed in the policy of the united states in the arab league. since the arab spring -- [inaudible] then i moved to terrorism for nor a few in minutes. which is a topic i'm interested in. throughout my diplomatic career. i was in a position to defend and -- just to give you an idea, i --

it's in the seven countries ended up with 22 the arab world is clearly the population of 350 million. it's a very important. it's [inaudible] it's al the creator of the judaism, christianity, and islam. it's also the -- it's the rise of agent civilization than any war in the world, the arab world. egypt, iraq, you have disifl civil civilizations that you need months in order see all of

the sides. all of the assets that the arab world enjoyed in the middle east, the arab world -- [inaudible] and the demographic economic, religious, -- [inaudible] i will move to the arab spring. the arab spring -- now it's nobody call it arab spring anymore. not even that of the weakening. many suggest -- [inaudible] suggestively you should call it the arab -- because it takes it will take many years. you haven't seen promising results so far in those countries. it might delay, also, the report or the violence in the arab country after we have seen. but i'm sure that things will go

-- [inaudible] the united states perhaps will take you by surprise by the changes in those five countries to egypt, libya, yemen, and syria now is still going on. of course the arab spring came as a result -- [inaudible] for equality, democracy, for combating corruption. and the demands, the values, of course, that have been, of course, the -- some driving factors in the arab spring. of course technology played a major role in social media in the countries.

they also played a major role in tunisia and -- [inaudible] taking the sides of the regime, but by being -- [inaudible] it lifted to the people to revolt and lead the revolution. also, there was some intervention about outside power peaked in libya, turkey, syria, iran, and syria. russia and syria and -- also the longevity of the leadership being in power from 120 to 40 years. it's why the people revolted. [inaudible] there are some shared common factors like in all the five countries that people they were demanding or --

of the regime -- [inaudible] the factor which is in each one of those country, the regime that the time, they blamed from outside the influence to the people. it's also shared -- you remember that [inaudible] the regime are the ones who supported those republicans or those revolts in those countries. iranically speaking for -- and especially that of the -- [inaudible] didn't use that violence or corruption to the magnitude that has in those five countries.

[inaudible] the arab country and the arab league -- [inaudible] we find that the united states -- because the arab spring brought the regime with the islamic tendency. having to deal with some of those parties. even some element of the party -- [inaudible] the united and -- [inaudible] and said now that things have changed in those countries, and we have to deal we have to judge the leadership of those parties on their action. but not on their -- [inaudible] provided some of the parties

here, i think, only -- [inaudible] to come here from tunisia from marrow -- morocco, egypt, of course. they are dealing with -- [inaudible] surely things have changed. also the united states obama himself created some initiative -- [inaudible] one of these initiatives is often government -- [inaudible] [inaudible] the urban government -- [inaudible]

emphasizes that accountability, and responsibility, and combating corruption and innovation and hoping that some arab countries will benefit which emphasizes democracy, accountability, and responsibility. now ended up with 57 members of those organizations of 200 -- [inaudible] maybe one or two arab countries of the countries joined. i'm sure that -- [inaudible] nay are still in transition. they were joined one day, i'm sure. but -- [inaudible] the arab initiative also came with that with the arab spring is that [inaudible] which, again, this is not the situation in syria and in libya. but of course, you have --

[inaudible] in september, 2011, i think. i, of course, was one -- [inaudible] i think is another -- [inaudible] a initiative to protect citizens everywhere and bring the -- [inaudible] of those -- other people to the international committee. the change for the first time in the relationship between the arab league and the united states is a -- [inaudible] memo of understanding. it's the first time in the relationship actually the united states liberalize the arab league only because the arab league took unprecedented decisions and positions. what is going on in in those

countries, like, for example, send -- [inaudible] sphotting -- supporting native -- [inaudible] the ambassador from libya and syria. suspending for the first time the history of the arab league for dpesk domestic. the arab league took positions but perhapses for the time clearly why the -- [inaudible] emphasizes independent of the countries. not -- the united states felt -- [inaudible] with the western arab league. that's why we signed a memo of understanding.

the memo was signed in september of '95. the 25th actually that year in the united nations. i attended that the signing of the memo. it's now a -- [inaudible] the relationship between the united and the arab league is -- we have people -- [inaudible] between here and the the arab league in cairo, and the major thing also that i integrated with -- [inaudible] up in the project also makes -- books in to arab league language and name available online for the arab population, young people there everywhere. again and -- made changes in the policy of the united states. also, another major change and

trying to summarize it is the the peace process. now the united states just a few months ago took revive the initiative the arab initiative try to and the -- [inaudible] and some arab countries. they met here i was league of arab -- delegation here. [inaudible] we were discussing how to revive the initiative. i think the negotiations between -- [inaudible]

nothing leak through the association. it was a condition that the only one who speak. try to avoid some of the loophole of the previous negotiation. i hope that we would these soon, but i think there are without intervention of the united states, i don't think anybody can influence or achieve peace in that area of the united states because of the relationship -- [inaudible] the tan. as you know, the secret it's public -- [inaudible] the united states is committed to the -- [inaudible] it's stronger than all the air countries combined at any time. in is one. the other one is that the -- [inaudible] so the problem of security -- [inaudible]

so you a nation, a land -- divide the land and the people for [inaudible] they are coming many voices. it's -- [inaudible] the two-state solution question address -- [inaudible] jewish, and the democratic. there are many of them now. i hear it talking about that. t a democracy the democracy country to have -- to end up with one state solution with the majority who

may not be to be have a right to vote. really, -- [inaudible] wise enough to admit that it's time now for a two-state solution and that's like, i think, -- [inaudible] besides the fact there is no way that you can have a one-state solution. we are working two-state solutions. i will not take much of the time -- of your time now because i have my colleagues also here. i will -- then i just have another thing. the united states had -- to religion and trade and maybe islamist. i mean, the united states has -- [inaudible] maybe between 2008, 2009, and even have one commissioner who

interface the states and interfaith commission, they call it, i think. they have one, it's about the agenda -- maybe they the islamic -- basically. they have an envoy. they have a lady in the department. she's in the islamic minority everywhere abroad. there is a -- [inaudible] to that but there is a reason for what is going on. it's clearly the policy of the country itself. so now what is it really? jew -- jew so there are, of course, db it's not the religion.

the reason -- i identify whether you define tourism, i don't know. i don't think it's a definition exactly. share so many values that really it's not really that -- because muslim -- jews and all people of the jew believe in one define god. -- [inaudible] in our accountability of our actions and we share many key values. justice, compassion, compassion toward the poor and the -- [inaudible] the -- [inaudible] the honor the father and think

-- thy mother. within the framework of the international effort to combat terrorism, it's imperative to resolve the policy and i believe it's conflict. i don't want to link the -- [inaudible] too terrorism. i cannot -- but it can lead to violence. injustice can lead to violence. of course, there are many other reasons for -- [inaudible] so many reasons that really thread -- lead to violence. also by resolving the conflict in the middle east, we were

denied frosts the possible of using this -- [inaudible] for their own evil objective. they were now -- [inaudible] in syria they said tourists. -- [inaudible] they admit they are -- population syrian population -- [inaudible] you find also in yemen they are fighting terrorists. and tunisia they -- terrorism has been used everywhere. and even it has been used to violate human rights in some countries. so we have to be careful when we use that word. that's why, i think, we need to have definition. i doubt we'll have one that we agree upon. also when it comes to the muslim and the west, you have 57 muslim

countries in the corporation. not even a singular one is in a conflict more with the west. iraq has no problem with the west, and embed in kuwait, if you are doing -- iran in the muslim country and iran -- [inaudible] with the west and -- [inaudible] revolution of the this is what they announced when they took office. there not one definitely reason for the conflict. some believe inequality. [inaudible] the forum in 2002 a few months after the 9/11, many of the

conference and former minister including american states then -- [inaudible] that should follow the coalition to combat terrorism. he said terrorism flourishes in area of poverty, despair and hopelessness. where people see no future. added they we should find -- [inaudible] which feeds terrorism. many for a more just and fair cooperation. we talk about -- i was in mali, when i was there in 1986, '87. i stay there had for five or six years. it's when i was there, it was -- [inaudible] income was $200 when i was

there. and yes, i stayed seven years there. none of the violence there. nobody had stolen anything there. you can leave your home unlocked and nobody would enter. yet, it's one of the poorest countries in the world. what is does it say? that poverty clearly leads to terrorism. you cannot say that. when i was there it was a safe country with $200 income. [inaudible] north carolina maybe $1,000 or $2,000. anyway you talk about that. i'll leave it to you. now, a major country saudi arabia because -- there are many people who have -- [inaudible] from there but of course trying to -- [inaudible]

suffer from terrorism. that's why we have rehabilitaion centers. it was effective and the united states is trying to -- [inaudible] how can they deal with -- [inaudible] it has so many of those who -- [inaudible] they haven't. many haven't committed the action. but they are we think they are detained -- [inaudible] someful them 100% effective. they go back to terrorism and so on. but this very effective institution that says a lot really to come back to the society and --

[inaudible] i hope this is also studying. how to also sort the problem through some kind of rehabilitaion. i will leave you, yes, -- [inaudible] thank you very much for listening. [applause] [inaudible] thank you, thank you, thank you. thank you very much, ambassador mahmoud to discuss the brother's security issues on the way from

the arab spring -- [inaudible] for the peace process, and what was really disagreeing about the role of religion, and in term of religion and -- [inaudible] with justice whether it is islam or christianity, and we have a common ground in that, you know, if we can look at the qar ron and say if you want peace, give them peace. and whoever saved one life. you save the whole world, it is islam and judeism. we have to come to deal with that. now, we are going move on a particular issue related to north africa, and west africa. we published a study that would

be available to you, if you are interested. and we focus particularly on the issue in mali this year and -- the take over the guest evaluate and what is going on now elsewhere in libya and morocco and so on. we are very fortunate, again, to have ambassador, who was generous join us on september 11th, right here to discuss lessons of 9/11, and we're grateful to him to come and continue to invite us, particularly on what is happening in the region in general, and the estimate of the

nairobi attack, which is not over, as we say, but what are some of the lessons from nairobi, and of course, what is happening elsewhere. ambassador is -- as an ambassador he was in kenya, uganda, jaw -- africa and either open ya. he knows the region very well. as far as the other areas in africa, and served in many of this country. he was there together in egypt. and lectured extentively. again, it's the great honor to have you, ambassador, to join us.

good afternoon, everybody. and let me thank our professor, and professor. for ohioing this seminar. but more importantly, for the consistent leadership in throwing attention to the current and future of terrorism. this two individuals in particular have done a tremendous job of developing a response -- [inaudible] and nongovernmental.

on the intensity of terrorism. it's my privilege to be here with such distinguished speakers including the ambassador of arab springs. mohammed alhussaini alsharif. it's very nice to meet with mohammed alhussaini alsharif almost more than -- what we were at -- [inaudible] it's my privilege also to be here with the chief of mission of the embassy. i would like to take this opportunity to provide some comments on the african --

in light of the kenya implications. so i am -- [inaudible] in africa in three parts. first, the horrific terrorist attack by al-shabaab on the shopping mall in their row by this week. also, the africa and trying to -- [inaudible] the international corporation in combating terrorism. i thought with the horrific attack by -- [inaudible] more in they're nairobi. it was the world's tragedy to strike kenya since the 1998 u.s. embassy bombing. as you may remember, a year ago,

kenya forces al-shabaab -- [inaudible] sending it to the country's -- [inaudible] cutting of the economy lifeline. i long -- [inaudible] war against the enemy. it seemed was the appropriate one. thirdly, this has not -- [inaudible] a gunman from al-shabaab went to al qaeda and launched a bloody attack. they opened fire enjoy people enjoying their weekend. this vigorous attack ended with more than 200 casualty including civilian and six ken began soldiers killed. five terrorist were i canned -- killed and --

[inaudible] are recordedly on the -- [inaudible] deploying from business, kenya, or foreign force have been conducting training and other operations for you. in the meantime, al-shabaab -- [inaudible] to help the regime of deployed inside ken a ya to attack the country target -- [inaudible] according to ken began police officials, there were two attacks. the first was on a group of police officers. it come in --

[inaudible] [inaudible] the attack in europe and the u.s. reported there was evidence al-shabaab is running a chemical weapon. with the attack is the -- [inaudible] on ken began soil since the ken began -- invaded somalia october of 2012 to join the other troops of the african union mission in the somalia in combating al-shabaab. at this time, al-shabaab -- of bloody violence again kenya. the timing of the terrorist attack on their they're row bee also comes on the heel of -- [inaudible] for the group in mooing mooing

due mooing key -- they contributed to the disrupt and degrade al-shabaab. this offensive push have -- [inaudible] push it to more -- [inaudible] since al-shabaab join with al qaeda in 2000. it has been -- [inaudible] beyond it from somalia to include global jihad. that the, inside enya have -- particularly in recent years, but they have been limited to the -- [inaudible]

or making -- [inaudible] recent attack a clear shift by al-shabaab a larger attack in -- [inaudible] profound area to demonstrate it ongoing credibility and counter credibility. but this -- [inaudible] particularly the -- of the they're nairobi attack signal a change in al-shabaab. possibly increasing the -- [inaudible] to the united. actually, the perception of appearance progress in somalia may be -- [inaudible] including the african union mission com somalia and parliament forces and the more

reason united nations mission in somalia. -- [inaudible] have fail -- [inaudible] in the country. it's now clear that al-shabaab september 21st attack in nairobi is a -- [inaudible] in the -- from leader of an islamic regional islamist terror movement breeding the trent kl through the home of africa. [inaudible] in africa and the consequences of -- [inaudible] insurgency is such of the nairobi attack for the african effect i have i are. the nairobi attack -- [inaudible]

in a growing number of countries in the sub care han africa. truth be understood in the light of the blood global jihadist ivity al qaeda. together with al qaeda -- [inaudible] a high casualty. the recent event is a -- including the insurgency it mali. the emergence of security following the revolution in libya and terrorist attack in algeria and among other places understood that the -- [inaudible] violence extremism tradition nayly al qaeda. last year, also, has seen an

investigation of the insurgency. and in mali and take on -- [inaudible] the u military -- [inaudible] joining forces and sophisticate -- violent attack. al-shabaab -- is not the -- [inaudible] if al qaeda, and africa. also whringed to the train of nigeria. which has still -- over people since -- [inaudible]

they also be -- [inaudible] islamist group. and the muslim north of nigeria in -- [inaudible] 2012. as group is commodity -- [inaudible] did not. the european countries in places like afghanistan and mali. the current statute, and the next population in combating terrorism is on the -- [inaudible]

in many countries including africa and -- [inaudible] it is exploiting loam political to win over new sympathizers the terrorism has also marked greater challenges of security. terrorists -- [inaudible] in al-shabaab in syria. this exploits extremists sentiments of -- [inaudible] religion with al qaeda even when the objective -- [inaudible] the fragmented -- [inaudible] make them harder to find.

i like to -- [inaudible] any time soon. they are to be take the fragment. many of the continents have -- [inaudible] and corrupt central governments and -- [inaudible] flourishing the -- [inaudible] source of income. those are the -- [inaudible] along with libyan weapons. ..

>> this was a globalized world like ours. this is the last point about the globalized world. we enhance this for the betterment. there is a distinction between domestic and transnational terrorism. we are combating this and it is extremely important. let me now briefly touch upon some security operations actions

actions. it is likely to remain part of this in the foreseeable future. i believe that when we see more of it. not less. as you may know, this requires a coordinated response that chooses domestic and regional and international strategies along the lines of development and globalization. and this includes the assassination and conversion that only have a limited capacity to root out islamist terrorism because they fear it to engage with the underlying conditions with those that do hottest groups and al qaeda will

resign when it comes to this deleveraging. let me just say that this acquires this and this prosecuting and it is very important that we have this link and a military rest can have with the unintended consequences, including various and specific acts of terrorism. and these things we must act. first, enhance operational capabilities. we must build strong operational capabilities and we have this and we need to be able to pick

up intelligence leads to pursue them thoroughly and to this end the but. we need to have security cooperation and it is part of the terrorist groups that do not accept us. therefore, counter isn't terrorism forces must also be a part of this. international populations include sharing experiences at meetings like this. including the implementation of long-term approaches to countering terrorism with human rights and international law. so we must seek to remain on the cutting edge of counterterrorism, not only in the developing of existing problems and products, but also by identifying and that we must

continue to promote public and private partnerships in counterterrorism. it is, over the past two years, it has provided more than $600 million in the system. this is in addition to the $93 million to support this partnership. united states should also continue to work so that the global counterterrorism will be mobilized and it is needed to meet this challenge. and i would like this opportunity, finally, to issue

the approval as of yesterday. at the united nations of the integrated strategies for development in this. in conclusion, i would like to let you know that this is a truly global issue in which we have international corporations and we are all in the same vote. i think you so much. [applause] >> thank you very much, sir. we have a couple of gifts for you. and we have given you the book already. >> thank you. >> thank much. [inaudible conversations]

thank you very much, mr. ambassador. each those are very important. your insights, particularly about africa and, i would like to say that i think what is very critical, as you mentioned, the globalization of the threat and the globalization of response. as we move onto the next speaker on the european union, the counterterrorism to combat terrorism globally from their perspective, their commitment and to respect human rights and to allow the citizens to have safer environment and freedom and security and justice. so we see the commonality in terms of the response. we are again privileged and

honored with the gentleman who is the deputy chief of the embassy to the u.s. and he has also very recently reached a background around the world itself in some of the issues. what is particularly important now to deal with not only the perspective but the state and also in its role as presidency over the european union to speak for the other members for the union. and i asked them actually to discuss this obviously includes

the opinions, and the security issues as well as political and economic and strategic. and i thank you very much for this presentation. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> need to move once lida. >> okay. [inaudible conversations] >> hello, everyone, i am from the embassy in washington. it is my great pleasure and i'm very humbled to be here in this think tank. i think i think the ambassadors and leadership on the panel and the topic is really interesting

and important and we are not dealing with it every day, but definitely it is on our president's agenda as well. i thank you for the opportunity to very quickly go through the presidency. what does it mean for this small country? as you know, we are an independent country and we restored our independence from the soviet union. with the first baltic states to leave the european union, definitely we have a certain agenda, but the presidency for this means to try to coordinate as much as we can and try to do a lot of working discussions in brussels on many issues. the economic agenda is very detailed and very challenging. also foreign policy, which as you know, was formed back in

2007 and foreign policy is led. the member states really having an in-depth discussion in many issues. and i will run very quickly for you just to see our agenda of the presidency. and then maybe i will try to highlight some of the items on the european general counterterrorism strategy. which was adopted in 2007. and so it basically is here year it is important and very challenging because next year the european parliament will have new elections. so this is one of the final cycles of the european union while we are trying to push a lot of legislation and economic reforms within the european union until this remains.

most important thing is that really that the european union we are debating to push through the so-called annual financial framework, which is basically the document and what the european union will function for the funds for the next seven years. and as you can see, this is all part of the presidency and we need to deal with it even though we were probably not looking back. this is what we are working on. this includes the ability to keep europe running, making reforms and being credible and the most important for this would need to discuss this and keep it open. this is a little bit more of what we are trying to do and what the european union is trying to do in the terms of the

economic development, making it more ready to grow and fun economic challenges. there's a lot of ethics and very can create policies that we need to push to complete this single energy market with this and everything, it is everyday creating the more integrated single market. let's say even this is still not finished and we go through and we hope that the end of this year we will have the final legislation in place that we will need to do a physical completion of the project and so on. so the most important it is to discuss europe is open and ready

to cooperate with the world. as you know, croatia, we are working very hard with our eastern european countries, which is ranging and this includes how to really set the agenda for these markets to the european union. it's also keeping trade negotiations is very important. and we believe that the trading associations might really create a better transatlantic relation and give opportunities for economic growth. so -- i'm sorry, one moment. so i wanted maybe two list the

biggest event that we will have at the end of november. we will have all of the european union coming to the capital, the leaders coming to the capital. also the six leaders of eastern european countries coming to sign the critical agreements. some of them, we hope that finally the ukraine will be able to sign this agreement, which is basically the free-trade agreement. then we will start the provisional application. so this has signed and we need to start to implement. and these agreements are really going to relate positively to the immediate neighbors of us. so we will start to transpose the european union into the markets of these countries. that will create a totally different state and legal environment, open that the barriers will start to be

removed graduate. and we have been going in a positive direction and we hope it will be a successful one. that will probably be the biggest achievement of our president. there are some key members about this. the small country, we need to really do a lot of bureaucratic meetings, trying to push this legislation that is important overall. so it is more information about this. now i would like to touch base about counterterrorism. they have conducted a counterterrorism strategy to have this document online. basically we have discussed our

actions and a protection pursuit and response. and response in all of these packages, there are certain actions that we think it is important to develop prior to really biting the basic fundamental issues. i have not heard this in regards to radicalization, but probably it is one of the most important and challenging things for all of the international communities. the question is why did it happen and why do we do this and how can we rectify this. it is the most important thing as well. when we see something that even is being recruited and it is a means of propaganda really to move them into the other regions of the world.

and we are expected to do this effort and this includes these acts. this is the biggest issue in the european union and we are debating this issue and the complete action plan and what should be done. protection is so important for the member states, we have more information and as you know, sharing the information system was created among the member states. the biggest group of the member states, which allows to really exchange quick information about the european union area. and in pursuit of the terrorists across the border, it's really important and that is why a number of the various institutions starting from your politics and they have been a part of creating this among the member states.

and there is a response that we believe should be a multifaceted one with the law enforcement efforts and we need to think about the necessary nexus between the law enforcement and human rights that would help the countries to see the insurgents of the instability or the radical movements to combat this using various means. so the strategy was adopted in 2005, as you know, it has been coordinated it was part of 2007 or 2008. but mainly it is increasing the member states and cooperation among themselves and really trying to share information and also how to help the european union's at the group of

countries to work with other regions in the world sharing the budget and our efforts as well. with each of these packages and all of these counterterrorism strategies with our robust action plans that allow the european union to allocate this with certain regions to work under certain issues. the strategy is for this and the other region and then basically what these problems are allocated for her. they are allocated for working in understanding the importance and the issue of financing and it is critical financing of the terrorist organization as well. anti-money laundering is one of

the topics that we are all supporting. and then also financing this in africa. law-enforcement is so important to help the countries undergoing the reform and challenges to allow them to get weekend due to internal challenges. order management capacity is also one of the topics and agendas and it is quite a number of how to increase and put this better strength the better crossing points. and in case of this, as you know, the training mission is

also strengthening the capacity of the efforts in mali to build the capacity so there are a lot of efforts ther discussion is going on, basically when we look at the internal issues that the european union might face as far as member states, the counterterrorism and law enforcement capabilities lie within the member states and extend those actions, as we know, to cooperate and then the defense policy of framework. so it's an ongoing situation and we are really aware of the basic fundamental problems. that is why we are trying to do

our best with the international community and i think it is only international like this. it is important to discuss and remember what kind of challenge we can see and the european union, as you can see from working together in the united nations efforts, to try to be ready to respond. i'm sure that you can find this information on the website with what projects we are ready to finance and we are calling for that financing now. thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

>> thank you. thank you very much, thank you for your presentation and instantly you have mentioned this and we are honored when i say that we are honored to work with him, the european union, and to discuss this issue and we are continuing with this relationship. before we open it up for a discussion, i would like to recognize the deputy chief of the mission of the embassy of morocco. because larocco plays a key role in this area and most recently

there were a number of arrests and plots to attack. despite the fact that they tried to provide a stability with justice that really goes back to the reform the reforms of the king about 10 years ago. so if you don't mind if i say a key words here, i will go head. >> thank you, officer, for allowing me to talk about this. it is very important. i want to belong, i just want to start from the topic of this international cooperation and

counterterrorism. i think that there is no mixed way, and it is in the process of reforms to combat the extreme attitudes and to call for international cooperation and this is part of the fear, it is not only based on significant measures but on the proactive policies, such as public awareness with the dangers of extremism. security leads to the dismantlement of this and that was the case in morocco. human resources development as well to create these conditions,

especially from preventing people from falling into extremism. this is a very important topic. ambassador, you spoke about the revision. it is a very and in order to combat and then the original cooperation not only in security, but with what we compose for the power. including the visit of his majesty to maleate three days ago. reciting an agreement to train the maleate creatures. this is a very important topic. we need to form these bridges to

promote this and combat terrorism and a few days ago, it was the 11th of september and this is part of the 41 minute video emphasizing this move of al qaeda against larocco and this is part of the international and domestic level and this includes the society. and we tried as well to guide

their fault in going back to this by showing the king that [inaudible] and the indication to the war against the federalists in northern mali. it is a very important struggle that we have to all of them to pay attention and unfortunately this kind of videos, you will find some time that -- i mean, propaganda order publicity and that goes against -- it's not against the freedom of press and

freedom of expression. but it goes against the declaration of 2009, which insisted on freedom of the press and incitement of terrorism, as well against the revolution resolution, which is part of the participation or verification of terrorist acts. including the sophisticated technology of communication and resources to support criminal acts. it is against the european council of human rights involving the publication of ideas and so once again and this

is a way to combat this terrorism is through domestic policing, calling for the social and economic ability to fall into extremist oversight to the more responsible media and we are always asking for the corporation that could decide the countries as well as the organizations. i think he once again. [applause] >> [inaudible] as the ambassador was saying in

washington. this includes the counterterrorism activities of the united nations, would you like to say a few words? please? >> thank you and we have some very excellent presentations that we have been listening to. specifically combating counterterrorism and this offers a good reminder and i think the next phase has to do with kenyan politics, which is part of terrorist groups.

it is a significant part of this. and we have to get together and develop a national corporation and this has the whole african continent part of it. and it will be some of these references that have been made today. first of of all, the definition of terrorism. and we should be concerned with that lack of definition of terrorism. we know very well what that involves. and so we shouldn't be over concerned because any one of us

around here, around the world will find out the word that terrorism is a word that we have defined. but we do have a very complete list of acts of terrorism. practically all of the acts of terrorism were recovered by those international situations whenever someone tries to justify this. including the lack of a definition of terrorism, there is no need for that definition of terrorism to act against acts of terror. the second part, which is closely related to the definition of terrorism, is we have to try and forget ourselves to get too deeply into the

causes of terrorism. they can never be justified. and were we to try to wait for all of those causes of terrorism to be solved, we would be never able to fight terrorism. this includes the social problems that is never a justification for terrorism and as one of the speakers before pointed out, it is not polity which causes terrorism. as a matter fact, terrorism must not be part of this. when we look into the background involving terrorism, we find out that there is a society in which those people have a wealthy way of living.

let's try to repeat again that it is never a justification for acts of violence and terrorism with political means. whatever is the reason behind those acts is never a justification or an understanding for the acts of terrorism. in the third and final point that i would to make as someone pointed out as the deputy chief pointed out, we should try to look into the radicalization processes of many of the terrorist around the world are going to write off. we know quite a lot about those processes and we should look into this, deeper into the processes. because some of the reasons why those people decide to engage in terrorism is to have closure to

the private legislation processes. i think the european union is being looked into and we have a significant degree of interest among other things. which includes the european countries that are seen in the wrong society is, the problems in the radicalization processes. but i think that it certainly affects all of us, the united states of america, when we look into those who have become or about to become part of this because of radicalization in some groups of society. includes radicalization and through different aspects of the same reality, which is how to be what is unfortunately going to be part of this for some time.

thank you again. thank you. [applause] >> thank you very much, mr. ambassador. thank you for your insights. and now i will try to develop some discussion. i would appreciate very kindly if you mention your name and affiliation. please, would you like to -- can you go ahead please. >> thank you very much. my name is [inaudible name]. i am with the group that studies foreign policy in africa and this is my fourth decade. all from washington. mr. alexander, actually you have this chart of how terrorism has grown. i was wondering later if you

would share it. i think it would be good for some of our analysis. but my question goes to the ambassador. i was wondering, you know yesterday we had that brotherhood in egypt that has been pushed underground. would you care to speculate what impact that would have on terrorism. thank you. >> okay, before i go to answer your question, i would like to talk and point over here to what was said about -- i mean come we have talked a great deal about this. but if you fight with someone who is fighting for his freedom, he has freedom that is withheld

and he called himself resistance untrained at a distance and heat resistant and we cannot mix terrorism. it is committed everywhere. so we have to defined, although it is difficult, you talk about terrorism, but we could not define it. this is the problem in the united nations could not find an agreement on this definition. it is a problem and everyone is mixing the resistance with terrorism. including terrorism to fight corrupt regions. syria is saying now that we are fighting terrorism. is he? finding the population, 100,000 died. are those all terrorists? so i think it really is, the problem is with the definition, although we do not admit it.

anyway, is their ambassador or is there not who can answer this. so don't put me in that position. and including an intergovernmental organization which does not represent the people. so i don't know what to tell you. >> thank you. [laughter] >> yes, ambassador, again. from the state department official, can you mark this? >> thank you very much. i have a general question for the ambassador. on the theme of international corporation, that has been certainly part of the american policy since i joined the state department counterterrorism

awesomeness and there has been a great deal of international cooperation going on. both information sharing and specific programs like training in counterterrorism and violence and training, there is a great deal going on with that in the area with built civilian officials and also the military in which france has been involved, germany, so it's not only an american effort. but there is -- there have been millions of dollars spent on these programs. from the developing countries, why do you think it has been so different to implement some of these practical programs and training and is it and corruption going on, because it

has been such a perplexity. for the future, counterterrorism was mentioned, and we have started a program on that. that may be part of this as well. but the specific question, a lot of claims report that some companies have been funding some of the al qaeda related terrorist attacks in syria and this has become a big problem in terms of the balance that are more radicalized and the weapons that are going in. what is the explanation for funding these groups, especially in saudi arabia and in the gulf countries, you'd think that they would be concerned about the muslim brotherhood and the type of gene products. thank you. >> thank you.

again, in general there are many countries where the government cannot control the people, individual people within the country itself with their contributions. in many countries. you don't know where the money goes, you have someone who needs it and it's a third party. that is always the case. but in saudi arabia they have controlled the nation. they have come to this at the first of the month and you can have people who can collect money from everywhere. this is of course before 9/11. after 9/11, there is a certain mission and we have strict guidelines for any contribution to anyone. of course we have people that

can know about it and we don't observe everyone to who deserves the money. but within the country itself, and no one is allowed to give money and everything is in coordination with those in the united states. so we have all of his contribution. because we give charity a lot of money. saudi arabia is one of the major countries in contribution to compare to the gdp. 2%, 4%, 5%, other countries have 0.7% or something. so one can try to talk about how this is interesting.

i think that when it comes to this indication it is a major issue. when you teach elementary children at an early age what is terrorism and this is very important. but they are going to teach him that they are going to kill you one day, and of course they will grow up with this. but let us teach them at an early age what is respect and how to accept this. this is a major part of this. >> just? [inaudible conversations] >> thank you so much. i would like to first make a comment with my friend and certainly with the brotherhood

in egypt. i would like to remind you that egypt in the form of president mohammed morsi played a very important role in encouraging terrorist actions and there wasn't a virgin, as you remember. mohammed morsi [inaudible] and there was a movement for this part of mali. we are also appealing and supporting the creation of what is new with mali. remember also the leaders of the muslim brotherhood in egypt and the awesome attacks in the

declaration to say that the boston terrorist attacks are linked to the french with this part. so we have to talk about mohammed morsi which doesn't exist anymore. and there are links and don't make any mistakes between this and al qaeda. all of this includes efforts that came from the brotherhood. so it is an extremely dangerous movement, especially with the links with the commercial brotherhood movement. the second form i would like to

mention here is about this question concerning why it is difficult to implement solutions about terrorism. i think that this includes terrorism and it is extremely complex. and to deal with that, we have to put into place an inclusive global strategy which involved many, not only does the solution can be found for terrorism. and, um, as you noted maybe i was appreciating just now the adoption of the approval by the

united nations of the integrated strategy for security and development. not only the security, but also other issues to find a solution of this excellent integration and solution and in this area. and in africa as well. and i would like also to appreciate all that the united states has done last year when it was very important for a solution, not only the crisis in mali, but dealing with this and the activism of attributes of al qaeda and it is an americanized

solution that is going forward and some have taken to resume all of the development and military bilateral corporations with mali as the united states was very much involved in the training of all of the military form of the countries in regards to this region and it was the first supporter for the adoption of the u.n. resolutions including the prices to find a different solution for activism. so while we are appreciating the role of the united states and actually there is a lot of pushing with the american decision to go forward and

implement this implementation of the integrated strategy of the u.n. thank you so much. >> professor, thank you. can you go ahead and raise your [inaudible] >> okay, go ahead. next. >> okay. laurence freeman, i am the director involved in africa for 25 years. i have been touched by what is going on in africa and a good friend of mine was killed at donna and he was a secured ambassador of the united nations that was killed in the attack. the question that was raised that i would like to ask again, this question that saudi arabia has funded many of these

movements, including in somalia and there is an investigation being pursued in the congress of the united states to release the cases with the two or three 9/11 commission report and that 20 to work with the former ambassador and other saudi's and is now at discussion in the u.s. congress to release these papers to declassify them, which are classified under george bush. so i don't -- the terrorists themselves come from this ideology. the recruitment of these young men, and i have been in mali and sudan and all over nigeria, these young men have been recruited because of the economic conditions. as long as we don't have any of those for border, our culture, it is up for grabs for you to

move in and recruit. i would like people to address this because counterterrorism will not succeed without this massive development program. >> okay. [inaudible] >> again, i would like to talk about what the united states knows. if we are not there, they should be the ones to take it and prove it and not permit. but it is up to the united states in a relationship is very close and we are coordinating this as the united states is very satisfied in this field. so the saudi arabia stuff from before 9/11. so why should any of this, of course i tell you that we are very generous people, we give money, it was not completely like this come about we're talking about every penny and we

have a lot of these guidelines. and the united states had a good relationship with osama bin laden. so i mean, things change. countries make mistakes. but we are trying to have this and saudi arabia is one that is called for and establishment of a center of dialogue of combating terrorism. by announcing that center we are trying to do our best, but this doesn't mean that -- now you have this at this stage. because we are very interested in combating terrorism and we

suffer from this. and we are talking about obedience and with society we are coming back and the united states has come back to terrorism and fighting it. >> thank you. go ahead. >> thank you, professor. i think that one has already said that the causes of this is not the poverty of the economic situation. which is -- it motivates the terrorism with some actions. otherwise, how could we understand that more than 65 somalis, americans, they are already listed as members of

each other. but most of them, in the united states with municipal and other -- there is other reasons and other causes. that is why i am supporting what we have said and we are appreciating the role of, um, in concluding this agreement and so this is a problem and a problem of message which preachers are re-creating. and this is very clear with the government to prohibit this

non-authorized picture and at the most it is not only part of this situation, but it is an identical problem and more and more we are talking about this hybrid ideology for the terrorists, um, terrorist groups, um, especially the muslim brotherhood. and i will stop their. >> i appreciate this very much. unfortunately, we have come to an income of i can promise you that the discussion will continue as we go ahead. unfortunately we are left to deal with this for the next century. i would like to ask my

colleague, professor don wallace to make some remarks. but before i do that, i would like to express that the work that we are doing is actually based on the unclassified materials and international. we also have international cooperation to deal with this and the professor will tell you about the international information and one of the organizations that we are working with is the center for national security and law of the university of virginia's school of law. if you are looking at information to provide, you will find information about an excellent book on the legal

responses that the center published. again, i'm going to call my colleague to make a final remark. he can come up here, if you don't mind. >> okay. thank you, it is very late and i will not say much for the question is what is the next phase in cooperation combating terrorism. and i hope that that phase will end without winning. and one thing as i listen to this extremely informed group, as the nature of cooperation among the terrorist changes, i imagine the difficulty in dealing with it also grows. one of our panelists some weeks ago we talked about the nsa and etc. the brazilians and others, but i think that one thing that is crucial is intelligence that raises all kinds of questions,

and we really don't have the time to delve into what is terrorism, what are the causes, have you radicalize people, how do you rehabilitate people. this can be a long-term struggle but i hope it will not last forever and that we can put this into other work. thank you very much. >> thank you so much. [applause] >> thank you. [inaudible conversations] >> on this weekend's newsmakers, earnest monies is our guest and he will talk about the obama administration's energy initiatives, including recently announced limits on power plants. he also discusses the possibility of a government shutdown and its impact on energy programs. you can watch the interview on sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> the book tells a story. it tells a story of a nuclear weapons accident in arkansas in

1980 and i use that as a narrative as a way of looking at the management of nuclear weapons, really since the first one was invented and i hope to remind leaders that these weapons are out there. that they are capable of being used, and there is probably no more important things our government does in management. because these are the most dangerous issues ever built. and i think that the subject has fallen off the radar quite a bit. >> would you do not want to hear together, nuclear weapons and accidental detonation. eric schlosser during sunday night at 9:00 o'clock on "after words", part of booktv on c-span2. also this month, booktv's online book club is reading this town. get involved, post your comments

24/7 on facebook and twitter. >> remarks from the uk independence party leader. he addressed party members at their annual fall conference in london and some of the topics included britain's position within the european union and his party's recent stance on syria. the uk independence party currently holds 11 seats in the european parliament and the british house of commons. this is 40 minutes. >> good morning, everyone. >> good morning. >> we have been on the march for 20 long years and there have been many failures and many disappointments and many ups and downs, and many things lost in the course we have been at peace and laughed at and delighted. but despite that, over the course of the last 80 months, something remarkable is happening and we are now

changing the face of british politics. [applause] [applause] >> coming in second in the election and up by 16%, a tremor sent through westminster. richard alvin of the northeast, and then second in south shields, they have the wage labor vote and they must be using the imperial measurements of air. [laughter] because the vote went from zero to 25% in the space of three weeks. truly remarkable. [applause] [applause] and then of course the election were again in the election in

three weeks, john james, 11,000 votes, the vote share was up by 24%. had gone on for another week, it would've overtaken things, but i'm quite sure that in 2015 when you stand there in the general election, you will win that seat. [applause] [applause] >> i said at the time that it would become established as the third party in british politics and we now have over 30,000 members and we are rising fast. at the time of the next general election we will have the third highest membership of any party in this country. we are going up at a time when all the rest are going down and we are pleased with what is going on. and that includes commentators that are stunned and amazed.

[applause] [applause] now, eight months from now, we have european elections and of course we had many council elections. and indeed, we intend to put up thousands of candidates for all the local elections with a big emphasis and big push here in london where all of the local seats are up for grabs. i am not going to take anything for granted. but i think that we might do quite well in this. my ambition and my conviction is that we can come first across the united kingdom in those european elections and cause an earthquake in british politics. [applause] [applause] >> but i also believe that in a funny way, the council elections

on that day are even more important than the european elections themselves. this year we have made a great breakthrough on may 2, getting 23% of the vote across the counties and we now hold 227 council seats. i think that we have every opportunity on may 22 of next year to win hundreds and hundreds of council seats up and down this country and to build up the kind of support that we will need to go on and win the seats in the general election of 2015. so it is a big day for us next year. [applause] [applause] >> my goodness, me, we are changing the political agenda in this country. as early as this year, david cameron said he believed there should be a referendum for the

european union and that cannot happen without us. we could also see the debate on immigration and perhaps significantly something i am proud of. we made our position on syria absolutely clear and we are sick to death of this country getting involved in this endless series of foreign wars and we have made it clear that we thought voting no, voting no against syria was the right thing to do. and many of the politicians are now more scared and constituencies in their own party. [applause] [applause] >> we are gradually building over the years and it's partly fear, partly dissolution. but it is partly from engagement. when we launched this party,

only 17% of the british people thought we should leave it european union and today that figure is 67%. the survey shows that britain is moving in this direction. but it's not just the question of the european union. it is on many areas of our national life. we are clear that the benefits systems will be there for the needy and not there as a lifestyle choice. on education. [applause] [applause] >> on education we're the we are the only party that believes in social mobility. all the rest have effectively hold the ladder out from people that come from poor backgrounds particularly in our big cities and you view championed the idea that we need selective education. once again, we are changing this debate.

[applause] >> yes on immigration, we have certainly changed the debate on immigration. this is a debate that is vital in the single most important biggest question that is facing our country and affects everything, that health service, the broad economy, it effects public services and the rest. the establishment has done everything that they can to close down the debate and to decry anyone that dares to discuss the issue somehow as being bad and racist, and we will not have that. this is who must be debated. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> i say that. we are in nature and training

nation that has always been the most open to people coming here from around the world. but it is a question of scale. because more people settle in this country in 2010 and came here from the previous 1000 years. it is totally and utterly out of control. i am not against immigration, far from it. many people come to britain who have said that we admire the people that come here. they work hard and pay taxes and may contribute they contribute to our life and they obeyed the law and they are not against us. we understand why people want to come into this country. but we have to do something. but i think i am speaking here as much as the ethnic minorities in this country as i am the families that have been here forever when i say that half a million new arrivals every year

is totally unsustainable and not good for our way of life. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> you do not have to be a rocket scientist work this out. we talk about it honestly and directly and we have taken some stick for it. many of those are bewildered by it. but if you go out there in kettering and go out there. it is all the long way from london. but actually every time we got out of the stages to speak, we have audiences of five or 600 people coming along. this debate is up and down the land. whenever i ask for a show of hands, they are big audiences that are not members of this. they are members of the great

british public that are interesting and engaged. and the idea that people are disconnected from politics is wrong. people are not disconnected from politics. but they are disconnected from politicians who will not have an open and honest debate. [applause] [applause] who is the typical uk voter, to find the uk voter. i have to say that when you look into the audiences, it is very difficult to do because you have a range of the whole of our society and we have workers and employers and big businesses and rich people and people in the middle, people that are struggling, and people, few of whom have left-wing or right-wing opinions and those who are roughly in the middle.

very few are political activists and some of them have not voted for anyone for the last 20 years. but they are good and decent patriotic hard-working british people. frankly i feel that we are not the only party that stands up and speaks for them. [applause] [applause] >> certainly what brings this alliance is and eclectic mix of people and many are fed up of the cardboard career cut out in westminster of those who sound the same and are never prepared to put the british people first. [applause]

[applause] >> and just look at this. it's like a game. spot the difference between the politicians, they are all desperately themselves to hold the middle ground, which is not even define us. they are made up of triangulated and dog whistlers and politicians who don't say what they really mean. and we are unafraid to stand up and say it again. we don't go around the country saying what are you thinking, are you thinking what we are thinking. we don't need to do that. no, we stand up and tell it how it is, at least they know where we stand. and i am proud of that. [applause] [applause] >> that is why this is the most

independent body of women who have ever come together in the name of british politics. for that i have no doubt. but it does present the occasional difficulties. and yes, we have some people that would have and overactive facebook account. some who have pronouncements that i would not think, indeed i have a blistering route and i don't think that i will ever be invited back. and he wants to fight for his believes when i was arguing. but that is not uncommon. there are disagreements sometimes and the cbs ends of our recent success. ..

>> du the only party in britain that will not prohibit any party -- members from joining our party but we go where we stand. [applause]

>> it will not be easy. i have no doubt but we worry id shake the stop -- the establishment they don't know what to do about us what they do know is if they take is on with the big issues then they will lose. they will lose. i am afraid we will be subject to a series of smears redding up to next year's elections and beyond. i do know that is not for the individual but some way it is tougher for the wives husbands and children and a broader family. this is a rough-and-tumble game. i asked our playlist remember that those out in front leading the charge you a lot of physical strong moral support from you as

well. i ask that of you please. [applause] we have been here 20 years. people keep asking first you talked about the european question then immigration they do talk about grammar schools so to read the fine today what you'd do? you get the egalitarian party opposed to extremism and sectarianism dedicated to liberty, opportunity eddie quality under the law in the aspirations of the british people. we'll always act in the interest of the british nation and especially on immigration, employment, ene rgy supply. we know only by taking control can we retake our borders in democracy to trade freely with the

economies in the world for our referendum throughout the country to decide this matter will create the greatest opportunity in our lifetime. [applause] and haag long dash that is our issue. >> it is optimistic the complete opposite we want to be up their trading at 8% but with the european union we need to open ourselves up [applause] we'd need to open ourselves up particularly to the english speaking countries of the commonwealth. wouldn't that make sense?

[applause] these are our real friends in the world because not many do they have in their state the queen. [laughter] i'd want to hear people talk about we need to have the european future britain does not need a european future we need a global future we could only have that as an independent country to trade with whomever we choose. that is what the public is looking for. [applause] of course, we should never joined the union in the first place. frankly because we are different. we're different. topographer become history, institutions, but they make us look and think

differently. it is not the love actually speech but it is in the recognition they were right 20 years ago. our history gives us common law, a civil rights coming habeas corpus the presumption of innocence before guilt in the right of a trial by jury we have an entirely different system where it is the mother of all evidence than four years ago i fought hard in this party. a andrew was charged with manslaughter than later withdrawn the detective on the european arrest warrant and held 10 months in the most appalling conditions and a greek jail been detained on bail for three more years then walked free when the prosecutor dropped the case without charge.

i once asked the government and opposition what part of european social justice we should opt into or opt out of? i want our position clear with our history we say the european arrest warrant is a total abomination to those who care about freedom and justice. [applause] we have much to be proud of we are a country who has the great tradition of free speech and here you can think freely. the independent-minded with voices but actually they were in the mainstream through the centuries. when i was first elected in 1999 believing we were a

square peg in a round hole but if the rest of europe wanted it that was fine by me. but now the european commission has been hijacked the have adopted a flag, in answer, a president. you haven't heard of him but never mind. [laughter] they have a president and through their bad your project they have driven tens of millions of people into poverty. with their climate change obsession they have destroyed the manufacturing industry across europe in their refusal to listen to people or offer alternatives will now lead to the nationalism that the project was supposed to stop in the first place. i can be cleared today we are the true europeans because we want to live and

work and brief of democratic sovereign states that, what -- collaborate together i want europe that of the european union also. [applause] we have never been told the truth of course, we never joined something that gave away the supremacy of god with the british economy 120,000 pages of classified legislation since joining what we call the common market. what a shower of directives for our businesses. we finish the process of inspection and regulation that has taken over from leadership and enterprise.

we have to reverse that culture, we have to free up british business thank your p.m. off the backs. [applause] i said 20 years -- it's been 20 years yes i had a job prior to this is about 10% in the british economy but not all about the city of london no, no, no. all of these others that are involved in the industry not just the bankers, insurance cover reinsurance cover pensions, commodities, will whole range of industries that britain is a world leader. but i'm afraid it is now irrelevant whether we have a

conservative government or a labour government because we have transferred management of britain's biggest industry over to a french man who does not wish our industry will. we have to take back control of managing britain's biggest industry. these are the things we have to do to move on. [applause] we have given up control of our economy progressively progressively, our own concept of civil rights since the magna kardashian we have to stand up to defend those rights. it is interesting. that europe now has supplanted our system. and then but then added with a rapist or a murder they have a right to.

in their own politics is a charade. of the policies now on immigration. but what has been going on with to be the toughest on immigration? what really worries me. [laughter] but it is a charade. it is a charade. all this talk with the tens of thousands. with 497,000 people in this country.

even the commentators in the steel and this. and what does he citizens have it is about immigration. not about your. but it is, one of the same thing we have ted thousand people we coming into britain half a million coming every year, a 5 million economic migrants over the last 10 years it is unprecedented and never before the effects our obvious. with social housing and i feel very sorry that are currently without work but yet we have a massive supply for eastern europe and

elsewhere. frankly it does not make sense the yet from the first a jittery next year the risks will increase further. then reopen the doors to 28 million people if they wish to come to this country, i can't can access not just the workplace but of course, our welfare system to. to think about 13,000 with their track record. [laughter] but the migration watch over the first 50 years i don't know it could be many times that. let's be clear. we don't blame people from romania and bulgaria who want to come here i would be packing my bags now.

it is about opportunity. just think of that. a family in bulgaria will send so many home but has job benefits at 20 pounds per week for the children that part of europe is very great. those people want to better their lives. but how can that be right? the people can come into britain and effectively seek housing benefits in job seekers a well within a few weeks to be here how does that make sense and how was that fair to our own people? especially those who have paid into the system over generations? i don't think it is right in bet of think is fair at all but the biggest disconnect

between the political class in the ordinary people of this country but they cannot do anything about it because they're tied to a series of european treaties to a commitment to have the open door they're not prepared to do anything about it. i have to say no doubt i shall get severely criticized. but there is a darker side to open the door in j. gary. london is already experiencing the romanian crime wave with an astounding 20,000 arrests of romanians in the last five years alone. 92% of crime in the capital is already committed by romanian gain this this is the immigration policy we want to run? we should not open our doors when january 1st to romanian criminal gangs. we need to get back to power

for those who come here to commit to offenses are you listening? we demand action. [applause] that we do the only people with a solution because the only way to take back control of our borders and we can decide who comes into the country is by divorcing your cells amicably from the european union to take back the throne that it would to prolong the agony as far as they concern the sooner the better. we know we have 67 percent of the public on our side and if you live outside the european union is a trial -- attractive prospect. we will save 55 billion pounds per day to start with their contribution is not a bad

start we could reduce the deficit, reduce corporation tacked to make as the most competitive and attractive business tax place in though world. lot of things we can do what i am certain of is we will get our money back, our borders back our policies back in their democracy back we will get our seat back on the global bodies that making an influence around the world. we will have the ability to strike free trade deals with whomever we choose. we could be a force for good in the world. we could do far more to raise living standards and to give away 1 billion pounds of foreign aid. [applause] now of course, there are

some out there that say we cannot go all blown influence will decline if we are too small. those sort of people? but actually they are the voice of little england and we are the voice of great britain. [applause] and let's be ambitious. and with the structures of the european union. were the growth rate let's get out to engage with the world.

with many in other countries in asia running double digits was not rely in the future to get the economy moving. through credit-card excesses' let's trader way by being a global trading nation. i have no doubt that they will not trade with you. but with 10,000 trucks come through the tunnel every day carrying goods for sale into the british market players. i think it is a fair assumption to say that they would not stop coming. after all 40 billion pounds worth per year that we sell them we are there most important export market in the world. the adie of the e.u. would attempt a trade war is incredible but not realistic. it would break the did buteo agreements -- wto agreements

but the real reason is the german motor car industry will not allow it to. can you imagine and deliver coal telling mr. mercedes i am sorry we're entering a trade war with britain it will not happen. it says they to go on trading freely without being a member without political maneuvering. [applause] so it is a positive and for the skiing vision to stop telling people what it is against but instead telling people what it is for. it is the big constitutional question and through this conference in terms of energy, a national health

service, housing and a whole range of other policies but really by leaving the european union we will get the confidence we need from our own parliament in westminster to do the right thing. i said earlier we are changing the face of british politics and it is true. all arguments are gaining traction in terms of rhetoric the other parties are trying to move into our territory. of course, without the slightest intention of actually delivering. mr. carriage once a referendum and we have heard it before. we give the guarantee that frankly we don't believe he is sincere this time either. he uses the word the same that wilson used in the '70s , a renegotiation saying it is no more a cynical tactic to take the issue into so long grass beyond

the next general election. how i look forward to hearing jones on this platform the former general of the cbi or more significantly the former british trade minister under the last of government with their sheer utility however afford to hearing that this afternoon. i really do. [applause] we have been told is which we take our boats across the board but if we split them i have no doubt at all by the time the next general election comes along the labor and the democrats will promise a referendum. [laughter] because they all do, don't they? they all want the referendum and they do in every single

general election since 1997 but none of them really have the slightest intention of ever carrying it through. but was so much talked at the moment over the next election, of course, you believe this 2015. a and after 2014 the next election offers a chance to express there view without worrying that which does not get into downing street in the campaign next year will be dominated by the issue of open-door immigration to eastern europe. if the coalition wants to save their electoral skin is in the election they must before a jury first of a tel brussels we will not unconditionally open our doors to bulgaria and romania. that is my challenge to

them. if they ignore it, which i expect them to that what i suggest we do is given all the broken promises, we turn the european elections on may 22nd into the referendum that we have never had so we can express our opinion on the european union in the open borders. [applause] let's make may 22nd next year that referendum and use it as an opportunity to said in an earthquake to westminster politics to stand up as a nation to say we want to our country back. think you very much. [applause]

the. >> this seven those live 38 meeting of the security council is called to order.

the provisional agenda for this meeting is the situation in the middle east. the agenda is adopted. i warmly welcome the distinguished secretary general, the prime minister of luxembourg, ministers of the security council members and other distinguished representatives present to night to it will not consider item number two of the agenda. members of for them have the text of a draft of the resolution prepared in the course of the prior consultation. and the note this but with the executive council of the

organization of the prohibition of chemical weapons on 27 september. entitled and die'' destruction of syrian chemical weapons. it is might understanding the council is ready to proceed to the vote of the draft resolution before it. and i would like to think of councilmembers for cosponsoring a draft resolution that is now a presidential tax truck . i shall put it to the vote now. all those in favor for the resolution contained in the document, please raise their hand.

the results of the voting is as follows the draft resolution received 15 votes in favor says a draft resolution has been adopted unanimously. this resolution but i now give the floor to the secretary general mr. bond keep noone. >> mr. president and distinguished members, but for many months i have said to confirm the use of chemical weapons but to knight the international community has delivered. i commend the members of the

council. with the russian federation and u.s. secretary of state john kerry. as he was sent to look of those allegations confirmed chemical weapons were used in syria. the perpetrators of this cry miss be brought to justice in the mission returned to syria with the investigations. i expect fact-finding activities by next week. reship live -- get a report to you in all member states and they have a responsibility to ensure that these weapons of mass

destruction are never used as an instrument of terror. on the chemical weapons convention it is a declaration implemented on that basis by the executive council of the organization of the for the prohibition of chemical weapons establishes realistic deadlines for the verified enemy nation of the syrian program. giving the scope of the task , the united nations have a preliminary agreement that is based on the resolution in the basis for my proposal. and they think fit doctor

for his celebrity -- collaborative help. the inspection teams from all relevant united nations is offices. today's resolution shows the elimination of this area chemical weapons program have been as soon as possible with the utmost transparency and accountability. ensuring the destruction of a chemical weapon is a difficult task in any circumstance. in syria the inspectors are scientists and technical experts will have to contend with the realities of the country. depends on the syrian government to prevent its obligations without delay.

this includes insuring the safety of all personal. opposition forces our important. we share a common interest of the permanent destruction of sees the black prince. >> so i'll look get support for you for those activities today. so how to facilitate the elimination of serious chemical weapons. i go by a the recommendations of the security council in due course. mr. president and distinguished members of the council, as we mark this important step we must never forget that the horrors of

syria continues of the bombs and tanks and grenades and guns. already one form of weapons does not need a green light for others. this is not be licensed to kill. all the violence must and. but by focusing but we expect council members to have the syrian government did operations coupled their obligations under international humanitarian law including all inspectors to humanitarian access.

some communities have seen systems and more than 10 months. the councilors have agreed it is inclusive process based on the geneva agreement but to implement the excellencies it is time to make this happen as soon as possible. the evacuation has taken up the preparatory work and to president assad this is prepared to send a delegation to geneva and they have expressed his willingness to engage and our conversations have focused but with the five

permanent members of the council then we need to make sure those syrian participants come to the conference in good faith. today the arab league and i continue these discussions with a member state. in the meantime we will launch of the necessary preparations to ensure success. to the members of the council, no one is steve to the challenges of sending this country peacefully. from this serious side they must engage with the creation of the democratic state that guarantees the human rights of all in syria. the rest of us have a

responsibility to challenge those who actively undermining and those who do not fully respect syria's sovereignty in unity and territorial integrity. in the security council members individually and collectively have a tool to usher the geneva process for a peaceful solution. i thank you. >> thank you his excellency for your statement i now give the floor to the minister of foreign affairs at the russian federation. >> [speaking russian] >> translator: fully keeping with the russian-american agreement with a coordinated efforts of that russian federation back from the security council of united nations as well as the majority of all the states.

the leading role for the u.n. will provide assistance we believe the experts of the united nations to act in a professional and impartial way in syria with full regard to sovereignty. those to do everything possible to make sure the syria arsenals taken under control in a timely and effective way in the way that we expect the safety general will cooperate closely pursuant to the security council resolution. we expect on this work issues of ensuring the safety of the personnel. russia is ready to participate.

know the important condition for the upcoming work to show readiness for real corporation that syria has already started the implementation of its commitments with a detailedst ol holdings. we believe damascus will continue in in faith cooperate with the international inspectors. the responsibility not lies only with the government of syria but with the security council the international experts will enjoy the syrian opposition with respect for the security council with a the resolution has to be objective. it does not fall under chapter seven does not allow

for any automatic use measure of enforcement. the agreement that was reached with the fact that the violations of this requirement as well as use of chemical weapons by anyone will have to be carefully investigated by the security council which are ready to take action quite clearly. those that are commensurate fell 1/2 to be proven by when a depressant they have to insure that chemical weapons do not fall into the hands of extremist with the resolution and there are relevant requirements especially serious davis report to the assyrian council to obtain chemical weapons. what is more acceptable is

the nation support all cases are immediately considered with the objective to take measures we believe the resolution has adopted with the problem of chemical weapons but also with the decision of the creation of the middle east with the means of delivery in accordance with the international community. but to set up a framework overcoming the prices it adopts as out any reservation from july 2012 as a platform. also the rapid convening on this base of the international conference in dinner estimates one shared by the of the members of the security council and the secretary general could take place as early as the middle of november.

we expect the increasingly diverse syrian puppet -- opposition could purchase a pate that we you recall on those opposition's with the necessary pressure with the russian federation to participate in implementing to prepare geneva. i think here. >> i think the excellencies teeeighteen for a statement note secretary of state john kerry. >> thank you very much secretary general and distinguished member ministers of the security council. five weeks ago the world saw rose upon rows of murdered children lying on the hospital floor alone or

beside parents all wrapped in on bloodied burial shrouds and the world's conscience was shocked but our collective resolve but tonight was a strong resolution requiring syria to give up chemical weapons the united nations security council has demonstrated that diplomacy can be so powerful that they can peacefully diffuse the worst weapons of war. so tonight we declare together for the first time that the use of chemical weapons that the world long ago determine when dash determined beyond acceptable behavior is also a threat to international peace and security anywhere they may be used from a time they might be used, under any circumstances. as a community of nations we

reaffirm our responsibility to defend the defense was those whose lives remain at risk for anyone that believes they can use weapons of mass destruction with impunity together the world with a single place is imposing binding obligations requiring it to get rid of weapons that have been used as a tool of terror. this important resolution reflects what president obama and president putin and colleagues around the world set out to do. want to thank the prime minister sergey larov for his personal efforts in cooperation beginning before geneva and through this week so we could find common ground. i also want to thank my good friend and counterpart who have been partners every step of the way.

our original objective was to degrade in the terror serious chemical weapon end capability and the option of military force that president obama has come the table, it could have achieved that. . .??????????????