they are going to work and make people better off. that is my profoundest wish. it could have been. we can see three, four, 5% growth. a rising tide will solve this. >> host: we've been talking with stephen moore, whose most recent book published by encounter, transcendent truth about opportunity, taxes and wealth in america. you are watching booktv on c-span 2. >> now more from freedom fest. posts that we want to introduce you to jim powell, whose new book is the fight for liberty: critical lessons for the fight for the last 2000 years. what is your approach with this

e-book? >> host: liberty has advanced on separate tracks. property rights develop with one group of people over long period of time. those are completely different people than were involved in the movement to eradicate slavery. again, very different people than those who were involved in religious freedom. at any particular time, some tracks are very well advanced and others are nothing much is happening. so it's not just one interconnected thing. it's a lot of separate battles. somebody who plays an important role in just one tracks such as frederick douglass in the abolitionist movement or william wilberforce who was early in the pioneering movement in england to abolish slavery. there are very few i encounter who made contributions in more than one track.

lafayette, for example, played a crucial role and helping them the american revolution by cornering morgan cornwallis at yorktown. and then he went back to france later and he encouraged george washington. they were very close, like father and son. george washington didn't have any children, that he basically was in lafayette. lafayette brought plantations in south america, slave plantations in south america. mafia trained for slaves are to farm for themselves and he liberated them anyone along with all this. but washington was exhausted from the 20 odd years of campaigning first in the french and indian wars and then the american revolution. he couldn't do it. eventually when lafayette was

imprisoned during the french revolution, his son was sent to george washington, take care of my son while all was breaking loose in europe. so they're wonderful relationships among a lot of these people. i have to say i was late in appreciating the momentous contributions of george washington. there's a lot of authors. george washington, you know, we think of what he did in conduct in the wars. he was very good with deception, for example, fooling the british. he was smart enough of course avoid the big mistakes, going directly against the british. he learned that when he was in the french and indian wars. he saw that are to show as much information and they always took

boarders from their officers and without the officers they had no idea what to do. they were capable of resourcefully adopting, so he was with the british and he saw when the british encountered the indians, the indians would shoot and hide behind a tree. the british had no idea where they were. they consider that unfair. so washington adopt did all kinds of things. for example, washington encouraged the development of sharpshooter teams. very small numbers of people. the sharpshooters were hunters. when they would go against the british, the officers would be sitting on horses bred in the back of the battlefields. the british army did more on the front. the sharpshooters could kick off a british officer for 300 yards. they thought they were safe. they're on their horses.

all the americans could see was this guy is on a horse. it is on a and officer. british officers got so frightened by the sharpshooters, they had no idea where they might be. it would be hidden in the words and they would see next to you the british would tear off their insignia off the uniforms in the hopes that they wouldn't be as easily recognized. of course they still sat on horses. anybody on a horse is going to be an officer. without the officers there is disorder in the field. washington used other forms of deception. there was one case when washington was substantially cornered on a sand bar in the middle of the river in pennsylvania. the british officer cut the lead in the day and he figured he didn't really want to do an attack in the dark. so they camped on the shore and

they did their thing with dinner and so on, leave the americans alone. periodically they would check during the night and saw the camp fires burning across the water. in the morning when they went to attack, washington was gone. of course he did the same thing i think it was entrenched in, where they marched through the snow. it was some as a forced march. nobody expected they could cover the distance they did. so they had a surprise attack. the surprise attack is hit-and-run. this is kind of deception. he put out false intelligence about what their positions where. he had messages that were communicated or capture. it was misinformation. so anyway, washington you know was often on the front lines try to encourage his men forward.

he would be on his white horse and he was raised by bullets a few times. he was an extraordinarily strong person. he was a surveyor and had to travel vast differences in wind direction and so on. but there are a number of occasions when it golub went through a juicer the other, you know, he would've been hit, and maybe even killed and that would've changed history. postcode jim powell come if you put all the people you profile then fight for history in one room, would they agree on anything? tuskawilla gap, there was a substantial amount of agreement. what is wonderful, i'll do this earlier that the relationships among a lot of people relating to the very close affectionate relationship between lafayette

and washington. post go but if you put cicero and abigail adams and mary wellstone in the same room, what would they talk about? with a talk about freedom? >> guest: yes, a lot of them talk about liberty, talk about cicero. the american founders, they all knew cicero because they are looking back to try to figure out how to put together this new country. all they know basically, all the founders knew as they didn't want a king. so there wasn't much precedence for a successful political arrangement without a king to go back to the roman republic. that was a very sophisticated in this government, with checks and balances. it was a very early form. they did not separation of power.

it was more a mixed government for being in the middle class, big landowners. so that marked the next government in different segments of society were represented. they also, for example try to avoid another canis what they were trying to do in rome. instead of having one executive controllers power commandeered to two executives, two consoles. they each served for one year only. so they had a term limit. one could veto but the other recommended. so you need both of them to approve and one could be very concerned about trying to prevent one person from gaining total power. they are acutely aware of that. madison was a tremendous statement. the one thing people said was

you can find keith says a separation of powers and checks and balances, but there wasn't much of a precedent to doing it in a large country. that was a topic of debate. in england talking about relationships between different people. for example, there's a dutchman named benjamin early. he was a merchant. but he took care of a number of english exiles. john locke, for example, who wrote the second government that expand the right to revolution and he explained that natural rights were, that people were entitled to national race because they're human too they do not come from government so it can be repealed. they can't be legitimately

denied. he fled to holland because if anybody captured him with this document, you know, he could be beheaded the way sydney west. sydney was an englishman in the 1680s who wrote a book on the discourses concerning government. he was making a case for majority rule. now this was at a time when the majority of people were being exploited by aristocratic or royal minorities. so majority rule serves to protect the majority from being exploited. that's not our problem today. we have minorities, the rich and all that. previously of course coming you know, terrible attacks on minorities and slaves, for a successful arrangement to limit

political power and avoid any one group or one individual for achieving dictatorial power. you need a complex arrangement. no one check or balance or device is going to do everything. they don't all work overtime, so that is why the founders made something fairly complex. it would be very hard. you know, you've got executive power, legislative power, judicial power. and he got the legislative powers put into chambers. in the senate at any particular time, there's only one there that is up for election. ..

there were great admirers of erin smith, as guzman. he in turn was a great admirer of the frenchman, the shock turbo. 1660's and so. so keep in mind that france and england were historic rivals. at war for several hundred years off and on. so good news. free trade peacefully turned the

1850's. but away before france and england made peace with each other you have these two great admirers of smith who in turn admire a frenchman. the japanese. he was promoting the values, self-help, to panera sure of benjamin franklin. >> some of the people the profile in your book. the previous book, why is this -- this is an update on a previous book.

>> there will probably be a paperback edition tramp of liberty was more about basic research. the thought was number one to make it shorter, more accessible everything has to be brief. don't give me anything longer. in addition to a lot of updating don't people average about have died. quite interesting. i have about 10,000 bucks. i accumulated them over a long about time.

new copy. last 80 years i had no idea what's going on. a great deal of these things that i had to search for are available, most commonly, in paperback editions. now readily available. i guess there are some that are also available. >> we have been talking with the fight for liberty. critical lessons from libris greatest champion of the last 2,000 years. we are watching book tv on c-span2. >> from the freedom crest.

>> tea party patriots is the name of the book. the second american revolution is the subtitle. the author and co-founder of tea party patriots. where does the tea party movement stand today? >> well, we have so much going on. where we stand is that we still stand for the core values the we started out in this modern tea party movement four years ago. fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free-market. forty years to achieve the goal. our goal is to restore constitutional limited fiscally responsible government. >> starter, more organized and more established that you were. >> we are all three. starter, more organized to land more established. we have over 3,000 groups now.

the movement is alive and well, and we are really -- we have been through two election cycles one where we had great success and where we -- some of the people we wanted elective lost. and it is a learning process for the people involved, especially if you're new to politics. you have to get through the wind and the loss to fully understand the process. we are much more mature. >> tea party patriots start by talking about how you came. how did you? >> well, when this movement for started i had gone through and was coming really literally right at the end of personal bankruptcy. my husband and i had to close business. the debt that he incurred from his business. we had to go through bankruptcy. we lost our home, our cars, everything. and we were starting over. shortly after we lost the house

and we were looking and rental homes. remember in the driveway and rental because we knew we had to start over, we got a call from the mortgage company saying that there was a fannie mae or freddie mac clone available. and we could take this long and get caught up on a payment and then from there added on to a low for a house. we thought about it. reese said, this is wrong. this is part of the bailout from 2008 which we have been opposed to and decided we could not take that. and so just a few weeks later there was a rant on cnbc talk about the stimulus that was going through congress in 2009 and how long it was. our founding fathers would be turning over in their graves. and what he said this book to me

so much of the people standing behind him, who here was to pay for your neighbor's home that has more bathrooms en un they cannot themselves afforded? and is struck me because my husband and i did not want our neighbors to pay for our home. we turned down that government money and start over our own. religiously kinnear neighbors bathrooms and a set of them painful hours. and so we got involved. we started at the party. got on a conference call. a week later we were one of 48 to parties around the country. >> who is mark mcclure? >> my co-author, co-founder of the two-party patriots. he is no longer with the two-party patriots, but he's doing the same thing i am, working to restore constitutional limited fiscally responsible governments. >> another thing you detail is with the tea party movement is not. how has it been portrayed through the media and what points do you want to make? >> one t