we've taken the word on it so many times and have been burned by it. they said if you live through this with emigration we will give back secure the border so many times. do the first inning and then come back and talk about the rest. the other thing about immigration specifically and when you look at the senate bill, the gang of eight bill in the senate, you want to be in 11,000 -- ayman 1100 almost 1200 page bill. and it moves through the senate very quickly. the amendments were very few. they dropped the final amendment which was really the final bill, 1,187 page bill on a friday. they voted for it the following thursday or friday so much like obamacare and we had a problem with obamacare and immigration for the same thing. >> but is immigration a money issue? >> we haven't approached it from a monetary standpoint. we said it is the congress's

role. keep america to secure the border let's start with that and that's where we have taken it. and on a principled stand, we had a problem with the process that went through with obamacare we have to be intellectually honest to say if it is happening and the republicans involved even if one were to claim to be a tea party person. if they are doing the same thing then that is still wrong. it doesn't matter who's doing it if it is wrong it's wrong. so we felt it on securing the border and on the process. secure book tv petraeus the second revolution came out before we found out about the irs targeting scandals. how has that changed your movement? >> well, it's really -- what happened with the irs targeting is that it's shown an example, a very real life example of the government that is too large and is not constitutional.

in the hearings in congress and in the ways and means and that of the house oversight i heard these questions that the irs was asking the group and i knew a lot of it because we were not in touch with a lot of tea party and 9-12 groups as this was going on over the last two years. one of the questions the irs was asking of a group that deals with other issues is what is the content of your prior? they wanted to know the things this group was praying. that is so wrong. it's a violation of the first amendment up and down. free-speech, the freedom to exercise your religion, the ability to assemble. and they also were taking stances on issues said they wanted to be able to have a redress of grievances. it violated every single portion of the first amendment. and i think that no matter where you stand on the political spectrum whether you are

liberal, conservative, republican, democrat, whatever. in this country we understand what the first amendment means. we understand the separation of church and state and we understand free speech and free press and assembling. i violated every part of that and a truly had a silent effect on the movement and it concerns me that the government, the united states of america silenced the citizens. >> prior to funding tea party patriots were you political? >> i was with active in georgia and in my local county in politics. >> in republican politics? >> it was republican politics. by the time this started i was so frustrated with republicans and democrats. remember how i mentioned the tarp bill in the very beginning. well lie ahead in the county campaign chair for both mccain and senator saxby chambliss in

my county in georgia in 2008. when he suspended the campaign to go vote on the bill and voted the same way that obama did, i looked at it and i said i don't see much of a difference. there is a label that's different and sure they pick a few different issues but fundamentally on the most important constitutional principle and not seeing a lot of difference between the two. saxby chambliss voted in favor as well. a republican voting county people would take the mccain palin bumper stickers and cut off mccain then they wouldn't even take saxby chambliss so both parties have led to us seeing the trillions in debt. both parties voted for the patriot act which now has been used to spy on americans. it's time to get back to our constitutional principles. >> who in washington deutsch you add my ear at this point?

>> i admire the people that stand up and fight for the constitution. i still -- i don't -- i watch everything they are doing. you can look at the senate and you will see free and paul and mike leigh and ted cruce they are standing and fighting for our principles. a year-and-a-half ago we saw marco rubio fighting for them as well and we have seen jimmy and marco rubio strain from that and we are all going to hold them accountable. when the fight with us on the principles we are great fight with them. >> jenny beth martin what is the four year plan for america that you outlined tea party patriots? >> we have the political path we've talked a lot about that. we also have to work on our culture. we have to go through the education and the judicial system and all of these different paths and approach it and look at every single different aspect of our country so we are not just looking only at education but we are looking at the culture.

we are looking at the judicial system and educational system and that's what the book is about and it's the 40 year plan. we knew we couldn't make this change in two years or four years so it's something that is a matter of playing hearts and minds teaching american the principles that we care about and showing that these are what made america great and will continue to make america great. here's a look at some of the books published in 2002.

>> we knew we didn't have any money. we were going to go until they provided for us to leave. with that attitude, it allowed us -- somehow we to cover education with survival. i don't know how we linked it with about but no one wanted to go back home without the they went to school for. as it was a destination. we would do whatever we had to do.

work jobs -- family back here. my mother has eight brothers and sisters and if i needed something they were all there. it was our collective families and french and determination because if he would look at the scholarship and he's not a qualified she wouldn't be upset about it. we just helped each other. we were in college and the office every semester trying to get a hold of the lease so we can register for the next. we just came up with creative stories and then we thought we would get on a payment plan. we were resourceful to do what we could to continue. but was really tough. a was so tough that if a young person can after today and asked how did you do it? you just have to go and pray and use all the resources and tools around you and people around you and just go in there and have faith it's going to work w have to let people see what you're trying to do to take the first

step. it will come. it happened for all three of us which is kind of phenomenal with no money for all those years. >> there is a mafia to certain degree it is romantic but there is a level of brutality to it that is just terrible. as a writer people say to me don't you get kind of captured? don't you get lost? and the term captor was with a federal prosecutor later used what he described happened hanging around with all these guys. he would wear a pinky ring and dress like a wise guy with a jewelry and every other word in the vocabulary was an effort because he said in the loci had to get with these guys and convince them to trust me. in fact after a certain point

the stockholm syndrome happens. you begin to potentially cross the line. so as a journalist, as fascinated as i am i have to every day of it myself but don't fall in love with movies guys. think of the joke has she seen in good fellows where he stabs the guy to death with a fountain pen. that's when you've got to remember. not everybody is like that, but this is -- remember i told you the second son to get he ends up, this is how he ended up. this is fbi surveillance video outside a social club. now this is where in the mid 80's he paid his dues with the government. he became the most probable cause for the title three wiretap in a mafia commission case that came from the senior. so they can argue and they call with the championship season in the book that the mafia, the back of the mafia was broken

when carmine persico on the left goes to prison head of the colombo and anthony, fat tony salervo and corally you have to have a middle name like if you are in the mob. anyway, they all go to jail and that is what makes giuliani. this is one of the stories and i'm linda tell you for my book that's like wall. anthony, another with a middle name, he was the boss of the family that kind of took over. he went after john and they put a bomb in front car of a guy named frankie and he wasn't there and he was blown to bits. so now there is a contract out and about three guys came and shot at him one day when he was

eating an ice cream in his car and he survived. he wanted to know right away who are these guys? so this is a famous interview he did with ed bradley, a great reporter for 60 minutes and he says, talking about the most famous murder, one of the shooters and so he got the mafia copps who were living in vegas as you know in 2005 they were arrested. i actually wrote a pilot for missing persons on abc. in my made a career i was a show runner i started with michael on crime stories. my first trip to las vegas was to watch him shooting script i'd written three days earlier. i always tell people i start of the top of the business and work my way down the that was the first trip to las vegas. they shot at las vegas world which i guess is that direction. anyway, the mafia capo arguably the biggest organized crime law

enforcement story of the last ten years and they were later convicted of supplying information that he would use to kill people. guess what he told me? he told me that the most famous murder the copps delivered him, but the intelligence that he got to learn that he was the shooter he got from gregory who he believes got it from linen. this is another part of rewriting the history but he says i shot him a couple of times. 12 or 13. anyway, and then he gave me an interview from prison that was an eye opener. this began the comparison. this is john connally. his control agent doing life, to convictions completely different story really told the story in my book covered up and i introduced this whole story, jr., senior, the whole thing is

in my second book covered up. the book might be with calls me in september of 05, september of 05, the book came out in 04 so about a year later the call me and the comics man of delaware who had been a prosecutor also contacted them as did angela the forensic investigator who got a lot of these files and the confluence of the three of us, then reading my book and the referral resulted in milan -- and lynn came up from self sarasota florida where he retired with a paul penchant and was in doubt on four counts of murder. on the right that is the picture of him the night before sending him. but the next day after he was a million dollars bail was sent for him. 50 agents supported him and showed up in blue suits, white

shirts either red tie or blue tie and they surrounded him as he walked down adam st from brooklyn supreme court, and there was the scene unlike what you've ever seen. they looked like hooligans at a u.k. soccer match. triet reporters were trying to ask questions. they called it bodychecking. senator grassley mentioned the senate judiciary hearing retired at the age and should be so quick to protect somebody. but the tactics were pretty wild. hid lines like this every day in the new york tabloid agent of death they said the convicted him that the star witness, one of the star witnesses was the woman i told you and was alleged that by these reporters -- on the left you are going to see

one of the most famous contemporary reporters on organized crime. he has a column called gangland and he even played himself on the sopranos. and so, the one in the metal worked with him at the daily news -- it's kind of suspicious they didn't look through the tapes because they knew for a year-and-a-half to would be the witness. but on the right is mike and a lot of these names -- by the way i am half italian. so at least half of my book is accurate. he was the prosecutor and was on trial. and then jerry caperci, the war wage from 9314 people killed in

putting to innocent bystanders and literally he killed himself and lynn was leaking information to him that led to some of the deaths which is why they indicted him. gaspipe -- linda original allies and the of replete and the trial. now the head line two weeks later talk about the reversal fortune. lynn couldn't be happier you know what he did that might? they celebrated at the state council for champagne. he was given his own little note of irony to the thing. listening to what the judge said this is his decision dismissing the case. this is what he said. what is undeniable is in the face of the obvious men opposed by organized crime the fbi was willing to make their own deal with the devil. they gave him a virtual

criminally manatee in return for the information true and false he willingly supplied. not only did the fbi shield him from prosecution for his own crimes the also actively recruited him to participate in crimes under their direction. but a fog like him would be employed by the federal government is a shocking demonstration of the government's an acceptable willingness to employ criminality to fight crime. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. was a parks and martin luther king jr. inspired me to find a way. in 1956 at the age of 16 some of my brothers and sisters and cousins we went down to the library in alabama trying to get library cards, trying to check out some books. we were told that the library was for whites only and not for

colored. i never went back to that library until july 5th, 1998 for a book signing of my book walking with the land. [applause] book tv brings you a program featuring authors speaking about different aspects of tough care reform. you will hear from the author of health care for some, david gold hill the author of catastrophic care, rose mary gibson, author of medicare meltdown and josh black men come author of

unprecedented. we begin of northern illinois professor beatrice talking about her book health care for some rights and rationing in the united states since 1930. >> in july of 1938 the roosevelt administration organized a national conference on health care reform. the great depression had been going on for nearly a decade.