make government work better. our democracy is an experiment, and it's always evolving. we're constantly redesigning and reimagining and improving on what we do together. but time and time again throughout our history we have reaffirmed the simple truth that government matters. and right now right at this moment, if you look closely you'll see that we are reaffirming it once again. it's not an accident that the desire to shut down government is confined to one extremist faction of one political party of one chamber of congress, of one branch of government. it is not an accident that this extremist faction must resort to absurd hostage tactics threats to turn off the government, threats to default on our debt, threats to tank the economy to force their views on everyone

else. and it's not an accident that this faction is doing everything in its power to make government appear dysfunctional. in a democracy these hostage tactics are the last resort for those who can't win their fights through elections can't win their fights through congress, can't win their fights for the presidency and can't win their fights in court but these threats are not working and they will never work because this is a democracy and for more than 200 years our democracy has defeated extremists and rejected the idea that government doesn't matter. so mr. president to those who have forced us to the brink to those who rail against a make-believe government, to those who seem to rejoice in anarchy, to those who have salivated the chance to shut

down our government because their extremist views have left them disconnected from the experiences of the american people, it is time to hear a simple message. you can do your best to make government look like it doesn't work when you stop it from working. you can do your best to make government look paralyzed when you paralyze it. you can do your best to make government look incompetent through your incompetence and ineffective through your ineffectiveness. but sooner or later the government will reopen, because this is a democracy and this democracy has already rejected your views. we have already chosen to do these things together because we all know that we are stronger when we come together. when this government reopens when our markets are safe again

when our scientists can return to their research, when our small businesses can borrow, when our veterans can be respected for their service when our flu shots resume and our head start programs get back to teaching our kids, we will have rejected your views once again. we are not a country of anarchists. we are not a country of pessimists and ideologues whose motto is i got mine, the rest of you are on your own. we are not a country that tolerates dangerous drugs unsafe meat, dirty air or toxic mortgages. we are not that nation. we have never been that nation, and we will never be that nation. today, a political minority in the house that condemns government and begged for this shutdown has had its day but like all the reckless and extremist factions that have

come before it, their day will pass and our democracy will return to the important work that we have already chosen to do together. thank you. i suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call: mr. corker: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from tennessee. mr. corker: i ask unanimous consent to vitiate the quorum. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. corker: i didn't really expect to come down here to speak. i was just checking on a vote, a judge vote which i understand has been postponed but i do want to say this -- it appears to me that the c.r. discussion and the debt ceiling discussion are going to be combined maybe into one effort. i just want to say that i think that is a great opportunity for all of us. i was down here yesterday talking about the same. typically when we have dealt

with issues like this, what we have tried to do together is figure out a way to strengthen our country through making those kinds of reforms that lessen the amount of deficits we're going to have in the future. that's typically what debates like this have been about. and so i think the realization that people have right now that we could well try to deal with the c.r. and the debt ceiling at the same time could move us back into the kind of constructive conversations we have had for so long around mandatory spending reforms, figuring out a way to -- to keep spending reductions where they are but build upon them but do it in a way that's more sensible than what we have done in the past. so again, i was beginning to worry -- and i'll stop in just a minute. it look like the senior senator -- mr. mccain: would my friend from tennessee yield for a question? mr. corker: i would be tremendously honored to take a question. mr. mccain: have you seen the polls of american public opinion about what we're doing here? have you had a chance to see that? mr. corker: you know, i don't

pay as much attention to polls possibly as i should. my understanding in listening to the senior senator from arizona is they are not particularly favorable. mr. mccain: to all of us. to all of us. mr. corker: i didn't mean to individuals. mr. mccain: to both sides of the aisle and they don't understand isn't it true, why we haven't been able to come to some con collusion, and as the senator from tennessee just said we now are going to have this merged into the debt limit. mr. corker: right. mr. mccain: now the senator from tennessee has an extensive background in finances, and isn't it true that the markets would react in a -- the world markets would react in a very, very severe fashion if we allowed the debt limit to expire? mr. corker: i think everyone understands that that is very problematic for markets. actually we're beginning to see some volatility now that we haven't seen in the past, and

i'd like to respond, if i could a little more fully to say that i think we have an opportunity. look, we have been in a place that i think people have known we have known exactly where the discussions in the past were going to lead, and that is to this box canyon. i think the fact that we have ended up in a place now where these two things may merge -- and i know the senator from the -- the senior senator from arizona has been involved in multiple conversations about this -- i think we have got an opportunity now to begin talking again about those things that strengthen our nation and looking at some reforms. not to do so in a chicken way in a way where you are -- you have two cars heading at each other, but use this like previous debt ceilings have been used in the past where adults sit down, they look at the problems our nation is facing, and we do some things that candidly in a bipartisan way people have been trying to do for a long time, and i just want to mention one more time -- i

know i did this yesterday -- but -- and i know the senior senator from arizona and myself have spent a lot of time together on this issue but the president in his budget in april put forth some mandatory reforms. many of those are pretty good. i'd like to make them better, but they are a pretty good start. and we have got a few days, a week two weeks here where we can actually sit down, maybe and cobble some things together that would mean that while all this acrimony has existed for some time, we might get back on target and back on focusing on making our country stronger. i know today we were in this incredible hearing on iran, and i certainly appreciated the senior senator's comment -- from arizona's comments about our concerns there. one of the biggest issues we have around the world right now is just people look at us, as you were alludeing to a minute ago, unable to deal with our fiscal issues. and so i look at what's

happened. i know it's -- it can be viewed in which ever way you want to view things. i look at it as being a glass being half full. we have an opportunity over the next short period of time to do some good policy -- put some good policy in place to pass a c.r. to pass the debt ceiling and again move our country ahead towards being stronger. i'm sorry to respond with such a long answer. mr. mccain: could i ask just one more question for my friend from tennessee? we know that sooner or later the government will begin to function again sooner or later. sooner or later, we will address the debt ceiling because the united states is not going to renege on its debts. it's going to meet its obligations. so we know that those are facts. and we know that at some point there is going to have to be a

resolution. it's not going to go on forever. nothing does. and so if it argues for a solution, shouldn't we ask all parties to sit down and start discussions that you and i and others have had kind of on an ad hoc basis sort of people here and there and conversations here and there to start laying the groundwork? and i also want to point out i think it's important that the president of the united states, rather than saying i won't negotiate with anybody under any circumstances, to say i'm willing to sit down and negotiate, i'm willing to -- to join with all parties and trying to find a way through this. we will sooner or later. the question is not whether we will solve these issues or not. the question really is -- and i

ask my friend from tennessee -- how much damage is done before we solve it? and right now, there are people beginning to hurt all over america, and maybe it's not so bad right now but it's going to get worse every single day that goes by, and frankly i think we owe the american people more than that. now, if somebody wants to blame me fine, i'll take the blame. if they want to blame the senator from tennessee put the blame on him on the president on anybody but shouldn't we remember what our duties are here? mr. corker: absolutely. as a matter of fact, i am just looking now to see what the date is but it seems to me that we have two weeks here where -- and to get to the senator's comments hopefully a week. in other words the quicker we resolve these issues, the better it is for our nation, the better it is for the world because at

the end of the day let's face it what we care about most is the well-being of our citizens back home, and we know that uncertainty creates uncertainty in the economy it affects people's jobs. here's what i -- i would agree. look we're at that moment in time where we have all realized the c.r. and the debt ceiling are probably going to be linked together. they are linked together in essence. and as the senior senator from arizona just mentioned there's no question we're going to resolve those. so what we ought to do is sit down right now, the president of the united states, the appropriate leadership here in the house and senate, and whether it's them or their proxies, but to sit down and let's figure out if there is some reforms that we can put in place to make our country stronger and to again get back on the right topic, which is our financial strength. i think we could do that. let me just -- i know i'm speaking a long time. i don't know -- i didn't have that much coffee today. the fact is there are no new

issues. every single issue has been litigated. there is legislative language. they are scored. i mean, there is not a new issue for us to talk with relative to putting some good policy in place to move ahead. you have been so -- the senator from arizona has been so involved in these issues, and i just couldn't agree more. i know the junior senator from arizona is sitting in the back, and i know he has been incredibly responsible fiscally. i think we have got an opportunity, i think this body should take advantage of it, i think the president should come to the table take advantage of it the leadership of the house. let's do something good for our country. let's do it in a -- in an appropriate amount of time. let's put this behind us and move on, move on as a nation. mr. mccain: i thank my friend. does he yield the floor? mr. corker: i do.

mr. mccain: madam president i want to thank my friend from tennessee whose commitment to achieving solutions and resolution of this bitter environment in which we find ourselves is admirable and i am grateful for his participation and his leadership. i also want to thank my young handsome colleague from arizona who also is -- has had a many year-long commitment to fiscal sanity and balance. so i thank my colleagues. i came to the floor madam president, to talk for a short period of time about syria, which is although not dominating our conversation here but lead editorial -- lead stories in both "the washington post" and "the wall street journal" are deeply disturbing. first, i'd like to point out on the front page of "the wall street journal" today the title of the article is "the syrian

regime chokes off food to town that was gassed." i repeat -- "syrian regime chokes off food to the town that was gassed. government forces are tightening the noose around one of the suburbs gassed by chemical weapons in august, raising concerns of a fresh humanitarian crisis as residents forage for olives grapevine leaves and other foods. pro-regime fighters, that's bashar al-assad's killers have killed about 12,000 people, mostly civilians but also rebel fighters. according to local and international aid workers with some people interviewed on monday in a government-controlled section of the town. this is a town that is strategically important to both sides because the flow of humanitarian and military aid is -- flows through this particular area, for those who

are fighting in aleppo and in damascus. and so the story goes on -- quote -- "we won't allow them to be nourished in order to kill us said a 24-year-old pro-regime paramilitary in the government-controlled section. let them starve for a bit surrender and then be put on trial." now, these are the same people, these are the same people apparently government forces that are quote cooperating with us on chemical weapons, that are allowing inspectors to come in and to gather up the chemical weapons. so they're going to -- they have 12,000 people encircled that they've already gassed 1,400 of them, 400 children, same town, so now they're going

to sauer of like -- starve, the fighter said let them starve for a bit surrender and then be put on trial. it's remarkable. an opposition activist in the rebel-held side of the town who was reached by skype said the situation is so dire now in the rebel-controlled area people are subcysting on whatever they can forage including grapevine leaves fresh mint and figures figures -- and figures figs. here we are the result of our much helded agreement on chemical weapons. they killed in this town 400 people 400 of them children, with gas and now they're going to kill 12,000 more with conventional weapons bombs guns tanks knives.

and brutality and torture has characterized their behavior for a long period of time. it seems to me it's a little bizarre, it's a little bizarre that we are hailing this cooperation from bashar assad on chemical weapons and the slaughter goes on. one million children refugees, the surrounding countries being destabilize and, of course, the refugee camps are terrible, terrible situations which we have not given the assistance that we should. i would urge all my colleagues if they have the opportunity to visit one of these refugee camps and hear the stories of the murder the gang rapes the torture that is the official doctrine of bashar assad not

random acts of violence, the defectors from the bashar assad's military will tell you that is their training and indoctrination and instructions. so the second today is the ciemplet ramping up -- "the washington post," ciemplet ramping up covert training program for moderate syrian rebels. the c.i.a. is expanding a clandestine effort to train fighters in syria the militias are rapidly losing ground in the civil war but the c.i.a. program is so minuscule that it is expected to produce only a few hundred trained fighters each month even after it is enlarged a level that officials said will do little to bolster rebel forces that are being eclipsed by radical islamists in the fight against the government of president

bashar al-assad. here's the really interesting part. the c.i.a.'s mission officials said, has been defined by the white house's desire to seek a political settlement, a scenario that relies on an eventual stalemate among the warring factions rather than a clear victor. as a result, officials said limits on the agency's authorities enable it to provide enough support to help ensure that politically moderate u.s.-supported militias don't lose but not enough for them to win. want to give enough support to help ensure that they have a stalemate, they won't lose, but don't have enough for them to win. picture these young people who are fighting in syria today. that the official united states

policy is that they will provide weapons, but only enough so that they can't win. and these people are being slaughtered, they are being murdered, they are dying -- there's 110,000 have died, i'm not sure how many of them were actual fighters, and the official united states policy according to "the washington post" is that they want them not to win. it's hard to motivate people to fight for a cause that we're not willing to help them win. the agency has trained fewer than a thousand rebel fighters this year. current and former u.s. officials said by contrast, u.s. intelligence analysts estimate that more than 20,000 have been trained to fight for government militias -- backed

militias by iran and the hezbollah militant network it sponsors. so we're -- we've trained a thousand and we're going to do about a hundred a week, i guess, something like that, and there's more than 20,000 have been trained by the iranians, who are all in and we expect them to be able to continue fighting. the c.i.a. is ramping up its effort, it was clear that the opposition was losing and not only losing tactically but on a more strategic level. congressman mike rogers, who i respect a lot chairman of the house intelligence committee said -- quote -- "there's a high degree of frustration with the syrian strategy. the situation in syria is changing faster than the administration can keep up.

he said that the u.s. support for moderate opposition groups is -- quote -- "less than robust and has been hobbled by inconsistent resource allegations. the c.i.a. veterans expect skepticism the training and weapons deliveries will have any meaningful effect. that's c.i.a. veterans. in jordan, operatives involved in training rebels lament -- quote -- "we're being asked to do something with nothing." well and then, of course, i'd like to just mention two other al qaeda expands in syria a rebranded vision of iraq's al qaeda affiliate is surging onto the front lines in neighboring syria expanding into territory eased by rebel groups and carving out the sank sapg twears the u.s. spent more than a decade fighting to

present in iraq and afghanistan. we left iraq, iraq is now deteriorating, thousands of people are being killed literally every day --, every month, and now we see al qaeda coming from iraq in larger and larger numbers. and then finally i'd like to mention "the wall street journal" article of some time ago, iranians dial up presence in syria. shiite militiamen train at a base near tehran to do battle in syria. at a base near tehran, iranian forces are training shiite militiamen from across the arab world to do battle in syria showing the widening role of iran's elite revolutionary guard corps in syria's bloody war. the bus loads of shiite militiamen from iraq, syria and other states have been arriving at the iranian base in recent

weeks under cover of darkness for instruction in urban warfare and the teachings of iran's clerics, according to iranian military figures and residents in the area. the fighters' mission fortify the syrian regime of bashar al-assad against sunni rebels, the u.s. and israel. so here's what we should take away from all the recent reporting. despite the recent agreement on chemical weapons that agreement does nothing to address the underlying conflict in syria which not only continues but is getting worse and worse. so my friends as the administration trumpets this deal of chemical weapons the fact is that the slaughter goes on and it's clear to these people who i have spoken with personally tragically, their morale is badly damaged they

believe they've been abandoned and the ongoing tragedy and massacre continues in syria and the united states will pay a very very heavy price in the future unless we do something rather dramatic. i yield -- madam president, i yield the floor. a senator: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from maryland. mr. cardin: i would ask consent that after the quorum call that i be recognized. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. cardin: i suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call:

quorum call:

mr. cardin: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator maryland. mr. cardin: i would ask that the quorum call be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. cardin: skilled that we stand? recess subject to the call of the chair. the presiding officer: without objection. the senate stands in recess subject to the call of t

>> we're going to share a portion of this morning's "washington journal." >> joining us republican of oklahoma, members of the finance committee. thanks for joining us. >> what are your thoughts on what's going on? >> leadership -- failed leadership all the way around. we considered one appropriations bill in the senate and it was withdrawn because they didn't want to give and maintenance on it. so we ignored the process to the house passed out of the committee and the senate appropriators by the way passed out of the committee appropriation bills but because we are playing politics for the next election we didn't ever considered any of those bills. all of a sudden the fiscal years

over and we have to do a continuing resolution which is terrible for our federal employees. because it does make changes and do we need to do to do a better job. and so i think it's failed leadership. if you're president and you see a train wreck coming, you don't send a signal that says i'm not going to talk to you all. and wait until it crashes. what it is you try to stop it. republicans as well. this is about failed leadership. it's about political gain or loss rather than what's in the best interest of the country. it's pretty childish i think. >> the president said willing to come to a larger discussion only this year has passed. >> that's fine. you can put all all that political game you want to get down not going to negotiate but the fact is, is we have an impasse now where we are -- we're not going to negotiate. were going to set conditions. what you do if you're a leader you create a vision and you create a vision that cause

people want to follow that vision and that isn't one of dividing the country. that's one of uniting the country. and then you do what you need to do to pull people together. you dealt add wood to the fire. so president obama is my dear friend. i love him as a man. i disagree with him. i think he is still. i think kerry reagan still. i think john boehner has failed. as we approach this and i understand why they are dug in the. they send several iterations to the senate and then the last one was it doesn't matter what you send, we're not considering it here's what you have to send. harry reid said something interesting yesterday. which i thought was really remarkable. when he was being interviewed is he said the house can't pick and choose. under the constitution the house is the only people that can pick and choose. what we spend money on. because it all has to start within. it's just people have gotten

locked into the position and its self-destruction is what it is. it's not good for the country but it's not leadership. you see tremendous disappointment with washington and most of the institutions in washington. it's not just the politicians. the supreme court, there is less confidence in that. i think everything is worse than for us. >> host: as a strategy, smaller care bills over to the senate. >> guest: i think that raises another issue. you just had john jarvis on your. look the approach of the administration with this shutdown is totally different and bill clinton's. this is just like the approach with the sequester. i'm going to make it hurt. so what you see he is saying the world war ii memorial is open but there's not a bathroom for them. the park police have about the

but they won't let the world war ii veterans use the bathroom. so i mean this is about punishing because they don't agree and not -- we have cdc employees who need to be there that are necessary, even in shutdown they were there during bill clinton's time. they are not there yet the 70% of our national security apparatus not there. they were there during the bill clinton shut down. so the question is is it a political gain. why aren't we doing this? if all we're doing is harming ourselves. in terms of our response. put the necessary people out there for the country and then will solve the problem but don't make the problem worse. >> host: what strategies transfer you've got to give all sides ability to save face. no one is going to yell uncle from these positions. leadership says i'm willing to leave. i'm willing to give up something or i'll eat a little crow. you eat a little crow and let's get to solve. >> host: so speaker bishop last a clean c.r. treasury waiting and. that's what the president says.

know you have to sit down and that's what's the crow on the other side? isn't right -- the people are critical, is it right that the president can't illegally eliminate certain aspects of the affordable care act and then congresscongress is concerned about and figure out and equal treatment for the individuals in this country come and summer that's wrong? that's not appropriate. you say this bill isn't going to fly -- apply to businesses, 50 employers or more. but it still going to apply to the people who work for the 50 and less, which is the vast majority of workers in this country. but if you're bigger business you get a break, you don't have to pay a fine. you don't have to do anything. that's unfair. regardless of the politics of it. it's not there. and to say you want to change that and you're not willing to negotiate about that? even delaying it like they did? i understand things get out of perspective in washington.

but i think what we are seeing right now is harming our country. and it's a display of poor leadership. >> host: our guest will take your questions. the numbers will be on your screen. first up is mary reynolds, republican line. for senator tom coburn. >> caller: good morning, pedro. and thank you so much for c-span. like i told the girl i have learned more on watching you than it ever did through my years of schooling and a government and all that good stuff. now please don't a couple me. gave me a minute. i grew up or. i know what poor is. we never ever ever depended on the government. my dad never went -- he went once and try to apply for subsidies. they said if you own a formula to go to raise your own food. that's embarrassed my daddy so much come he turned around and walked out. we got 12 children in my family. we have a family of 12.

my mother is 96. she's on social security. she does not depend on meals on wheels, thank you very much. she raises her own cotton picking garden. she lives by herself. we watch over her. she raises her own garden. she knows how to hand wash. she knows how to scrub close on a wood board. i am raised the same way. i am a farmer, okay? i am a lifetime life. i'm alive, greed, mother, wife. five raise my own children. i've taken have been. i taught them their abcs. i taught them how to read and write at a talk about to get out there and work. >> host: your comment or question to her just. >> caller: why in the heck you can't understand for any consequences there is a punishment? >> guest: well, you know first of all i would love to meet your mother. that sounds like quite a lady.

you know you just had a description of somebody who has experienced life in america outside of a learned dependency. which is there's nothing wrong with helping people. but it's really important not to create dependency and reward earned success. i think she describes what was taught to her and probably separate all of it more because she didn't have that help but still learned from it. there's a lot of americans just like her feel that way. >> host: jeanette from new york, democrats line. >> caller: yes, good morning. i'm just calling because i first of all i'm very upset -- [inaudible]. the way the news has been saying it is the name of the act is not obamacare. so you know, i have a 17 year old. he's in school.

i don't want him calling the bill the obamacare. it is not. we need to rightfully call it the correct name which is the affordable health care act. okay, that's number one. and number two, i think it's a disgrace. where are the templates for the work of? the united states will have a template. right now we're not acting like it's a template, you know? maybe it's some of these congressmen and senators are feeling the pinch and not getting a check to pay their bills. thank you. tragic i think i said affordable care act, i don't know. i may not have. i tried to say that because when you sit obamacare and the first new happens to you is people who like it don't like using that so they quit listening. so i try to save the affordable

care act. i don't have any other comment. >> host: there are stories in the paper today, continue on the problem with exchanges which is at -- tranten i think it's normal. when you put her -- when you're putting together something this big look anytime you put together something as big you're going to have problems. i don't think those are problems. i think they will get worked out and they will get solved at a very high cost to the american people. you know, my problem is with the underlying principles of the bill. and as a physician who delivered 4000 babies and was in practice 26 years. i know what's going to happen under this. the quality of care and access will decline. it will happen. >> host: jim from brownsville, texas. sorry, brownsville tennessee euronext independent line. >> caller: that's okay, we are small and everything. but obama keeps talking about

the law and the supreme court, and your person there i agree with is that he personally exempted businesses from coming under this for a year. and all republicans and independents are asking that individuals be given the same thing under this law as the big businesses and everything. that's all they are asking. nobody is understanding that that's just asking the same for individuals as asking for businesses. thank you i think that's not all that he did. personal, you don't have to demonstrate that you qualify for subsidy to get those subsidies under this. if you know what i know about our federal subsidy programs we have about a 30% fraud rate. so this is the first in his at a minimum is $2 trillion cost to

the country and if you 30% on that that $600 billion. so we're going to throw away plus in the bill which most people don't recognize written in the statute is the future the government, we put a deal in this thing we can only collect a portion of that back. we can't collect it all back. so if you lie about what income is, and you have to prove your income and we don't know when you'll have to buy the bill says you have to the bill says you have to and the president has laid that. we don't know. we can't commit to come get you to pay back. so again solving our health care problems are important. this was a -- i make one other point. it's not original to me. it was made i a writer yesterday. is when you have a bill that's a major change in our country and it's not bipartisan, you set in motion all sorts of things that are not necessarily positive.

so get a health care bill that was passed without one republican vote. not spitefully because basically they didn't agree with the philosophy that got us to where we were going. and also disagreed the extending of a broken system that without really changing its. you are going to see consequences to that polarization in our country. the social security we passed was bipartisan. medicare was passed bipartisan. big, big thanks. so we chose as a nation from both political spectrum's to do something. what you have with the affordable care act is one group of people saying you will do this whether you want to or not even if you don't agree. the polling is pretty accurate know. well over 50% of people don't agree that this is what we should do. they disagree on how to solve it, but they don't agree this is what which you do. so i think that's one of the results of passing a purely partisan major change in social

network and structure in our country. >> host: there was a politico featuring you and leading up before the act took place and you said the headline, the gop would fold like hotcakes on this one. >> guest: they will eventually fall because we will not keep the government open. the pain is too great. so the question is is do you just take it out and extend it out so there's tremendous pain? look i've been through a shutdown. i was here in 95 and 96 in the house. you go through all this pain and then eventually the pain becomes so bad for the country you have to do something. or do we compromise now and not wait for two or three or four or five weeks that this in what they given the hardened position, do you compromise? industrial leadership say, let's bring it to a vote people can save face and get something done? so you know, to invite the leaders to the white house and

then tell them you are not moving that's -- you should have called them. why waste their time? the fact is is we are eventually going to solve this but it's going, the cost of this grows every day. i am particularly disturbed by how the shutdown is happening. you know necessary employees ought to be here. and they're not. i presume the reason, politically, is to make this more painful than what it should be. >> host: the story today taking a look at senator cruz in politico his influence over all this. one of the quotes from a meeting yesterday saying this doesn't with the city but says it was evident to everyone in that room that he never had a strategy and could never answer question about what the endgame was. what do you think about his fluence over all of this? >> guest: i love the fact that

his motivation to really fewer i think. he really sees this as a problem and is trying to respond to what people of texas wanted him to do. i've been quoted all along i do think it's an effective strategy because i don't think you can ultimately win it. you cannot defund a law that is a statute. you need 67 votes in the senate to do that. so to me it's painfully obvious that they didn't listen, and so we are where we are. it's interesting to note where we are blaming it now on the house republicans but had we followed senator ted cruz his recommendation we would be based on what our on senate republicans. so the point is political strategies ought to be based on facts. not emotions and our desires but on facts. and it's not about an effort to try to change something. it's not about giving it your all. so i think the strategy was not

effective. i've been quoted as that ever since it was done. i love the fact that he is trying. you know, and he hadn't been in a legislative body before. so i think, when i first came to the senate i made a lot of mistakes in the senate. and i was not very welcomed because i was seen as a radical. so i understand that. i think their hearts are great. they want to try to do the right thing. but the realism is that that was a failed strategy from the start. >> host: republican line, good morning. >> caller: good morning. >> guest: good morning. >> caller: i am thinking that everyone has forgotten that we are a nation under god. i really think we should go back

to that. it seems we needed. i'm not a holy roller or anything like that. but we are a nation under god. and i admire john boehner for standing for what he thinks. i admire the president for standing for what he thinks. and harry reid of course the same. but he comes from searchlight, nevada. we need this searchlight to really light up the truth and to give people a chance to speak instead of just those men. we need probably some help from citizen advocates at this point. and christian believers, and

what our country really is about. we've left the constitution. we've left our religious -- >> host: our apologies for that. my fault. senator coburn go ahead. >> guest: well i would not disagree with what she said about looking towards a higher power to solve problems. i do that in my personal life. i think we need of renewal. not just a spiritual renewal. i think we need political renewal. what i sat in seat in the house and senate is how does this policy affect the next election rather than how is this a good policy for our children and the generations that follow? and i'm a pretty good skeptic and known to be that of the congress mentality in washington washington.

but i think our press reinforces that and we our political system now reinforces long-term service. and i think what our founders, their vision for what would be in the congress, and people who have been here for 30 years, is people who have a real skill outside of politics and bring their learning from their life experiences to washington for a short period of time and apply to the problems of the country. and so you know i think we have a structure problem with you is here, and we have a spiritual problem in terms of our direction. and real leadership can create a vision for america that could maybe change thinks. >> host: you from pennsylvania, democrat line good morning. >> caller: good morning. i just want to bring one thing to my congressman, my senator here, is we have an election coming up in 13 months. when this plan goes through this health plan they will have 13 months to see if it really

works. if, in fact this is such a bad plan, as the republicans are saying, then the election will show that. we will have the senate -- the senate be taken over by the republicans. that democrats will be lost in the congress. now the people will speak. the people will vote this thing out. not push it out or force it out. and that's the way the american people work. >> host: thank you color. track to i don't disagree with that, that's what i thought the strategy wasn't achievable in the first place. i'm not sure they will see it by then. they certainly won't see the hidden costs and they won't see the light access by then. but he has a very good point. you know that's the other thing is i received a letter from the liberty foundation of america making that very point is that the american people need to actually exert more power over congress than congress exerts over them.

and what we need is a greater awareness by everybody. maybe a little us polarization in the news. you know, right now with one group that listens to one set of his and another group rather than people listing at both sides to get perspective on what the other side is saying. >> host: there's a story here about harry reid calling him gop new public enemy number one because he's the man driving the party hard bargain. thank you who called him that? >> host: this is a story kind of relating harry reid as the gop's commune, enemy number one. >> guest: harry isn't the enemy. you know harry and i had a conversation this week about how do you get out of this. and so you know, look again, the press loves dick fights.

they exacerbate them. they make them look worse than what they are because it sells news. and it doesn't matter what it is, they're always trying to stir up a contrast or a difficult or a difference between people so they can get a story. you know i would tell people other than maybe five or 10 people in the senate, the senate is a very cordial place, personally. and so what you read in the papers there's not a lot of animosity in the senate. there's not a lot of lack of relationship in the senate but as a matter of fact, there's some good bipartisan relationships in the senate. the question is those aren't expanded on by leadership, to make something positive happen for the country.

house of representatives baltimore, maryland, coming independent's line. >> caller: good morning. >> guest: good morning. >> caller: i'm a federal employee who is working for free right now. i guess i'm supposed to be essential. and i have have a talk with my kids. before i was a federal employee i had my own business and i had no health insurance. once it became employed by the federal government, i was able to get health insurance. and likely i did because i was diagnosed with breast cancer a couple years later. but for people like me who have preexisting conditions, i can understand those people being angry about what's going on in congress right now. but i just want to say the republicans, i understand your site because i both -- i voted both republican and democrat. but you can't have reduced budget. they wanted $1.2 trillion.

you can't have a reduced budget, repeal obamacare and whatever else you are asking for. that is ridiculous. you guys have to do better. give us a budget so they can go to work. >> guest: i agree with you. first of all, you may not hurt the first part of the show, is leadership has failed to the appropriation process, which gives the federal employees the flexibility. the c.r. bind you to what you are doing now three years ago rather than any forward vision, any changes, yeah letting people make a good decisions for us. so i agree the appropriation process and it's very straightforward why we don't have a appropriation bills in the senate. because they don't want have to vote on an immense. if you're a u.s. senator, if you can't defend your vote on anything, pardon me, but you shouldn't be. and so you shouldn't use the

limitation of amendments to keep you from having to cast a vote. i can defend every phone i've ever cast in the senate. i think most of them are right, some of them were wrong in retrospect, but i can still defend what i was doing and what is think at the time. so i agree with, first of all let me thank you for working for our country. i appreciate what you do. we have a great federal workforce and we pay them well and have good benefits. what we should do is give them some flexibility to do what's best for the country. >> host: what should be done about current sequestration? >> guest: if you leave the numbers there and allow the -- again, this is a choice the obama administered asian made. when sequestration start they have the belly to do what ronald reagan did once during sequestration. which is carried by department or agency rather than down by line item. what the president chose to do is through a lengthy is carried by line item. so that means even the worst

stinky pro gun to its windows isn't working got cut and they could brogue rims that everybody knows got cut the same. .. in terms of the fraud and you take the discretionary budget we could still squeeze another 200 billion out of that just by eliminating the programs according to gao. we have 47 job training programs for the non-disabled. we have 53 for disabled, 47 different job training programs

run the through the country. not one of them as a metric that says it is successful on all but three to get i can give a list of another to hundred 65 sets of programs that haven't been over cited by the congress. the gao has recommended that the oversight. so it's the laziness and lack of taking something away from somebody that's giving something and we are throwing money away. congress hasn't done. so we aren't going to solve that problem until we get rid of the politicians. republican and democrat alike. >> host: republican line. janice, good morning. you are on. hello? >> caller: yes, my problem is that everybody is calling this a republican shut down because they don't change their minds. they are telling the people exactly what the people were

told as far as this is concerned. this isn't a republican shutdown. this is the care for this country that build or paid that can't be paid with obamacare. our country has lost every bit of the credibility that it has ever had because somebody wants to play like a bunch of little kids out there. they are playing with the lives of people. we have people here in mississippi that drive cadillacs and are on welfare. this is totally ridiculous. our money -- and we know very well that we have probably five or six times the amount of people who put money into medicare over the years. where is our money going? >> guest: she is highly inaccurate about medicare. the average person gets three

and a half times more out of medicare than they put in which is why medicare has to be fixed, which is why we have $124 trillion of unfunded liabilities. and only $94 trillion worth of assets in our country. the fact is medicare is the best deal that ever happened in america as far as your investment and when you get out of it. we can't afford it. if we don't change it what you're going to do is see a large decline in standard of living over kids because the numbers don't work and cut taxes -- and it's typical. when medicare part b started the individual paid 50% of the cost. and the career politicians through the years had lowered the percentage that you have to pay because they can give you something that they didn't create a tax revenue to pay for it just like the republicans didn't pay for medicare part b prescription drugs. so what we have done is we have

traced through all that cost for the next generation and gas with the bills do right now the bill is due. the debt ceiling is coming up and if everybody out there that is listening had a credit card that you have maxed out on and you have a demonstrated credit worthiness by paying your bills and getting your expenses in line to you think the credit card company is going to expand further your ability to borrow more money? they are not. that is what the debt ceiling is going to be all about. it's going to be the president asking us even though we have social security or medicaid, even though we are not living within our means and our discretionary budget, we need to get a higher level credit card. well, i never voted for a debt ceiling increase because i think that it is the addiction that you could always raise the debt limit that keeps us from making the hard traces about our spending. and if you want to see our

economy grow if you want to see the economy grow have the president and the congress lead on a bipartisan solving medical problems and medicaid problems, social security problems and cleaning of the defense department as far as efficiency and getting rid of the waste and you will see the country bloom because the confidence will be restored. >> host: one more call. this is carolyn on the democrats' line. >> caller: good morning. i think the senator is being disingenuous when he says that he knows the outcome of obamacare. no one knows what the outcome of obamacare is going to be. let's let the program run its course and let's see what happens. i work in the i.t. industry and whenever we've rollout a new application or server there are glitches. you fix them and then you move on. if there are problems with the affordable care act, we need to fix them and move on.

the american public has had a referendum on this. we voted overwhelmingly for president obama and not for mitt romney. americans want affordable health care. we've had a referendum on that. i think that we need to give this a chance to run the speaker has a bill sent over from the senate and all we have to do is bring it to a vote in the house today it will pass and we will be out of the shutdown. >> guest: thank you for the criticism. i will relate to the i.t. industry. we have a system somebody thinks everyone else is playing the bill. we don't have transparency in which we aren't going to have with this bill and what we are going to do is continue down the road of not making individuals accountable for their own health care. and when that happens, everybody else thinks that someone is

paying the bill whether you are on medicare word you have insurance or if you are on medicaid. and what that has caused, one in $3 we spend on health care in this country doesn't help anybody. and we exacerbated that with this. so i'm not being disingenuous. i have a lot of years of experience seeing the system work and goes totally against any free market principles that will work. what is the cost? what is the quality going to be on this, what is the accountability going to be and where is the transparency? so, that may be true but it's like saying if you keep doing the same thing in the i.t. program and don't fix the loop and keep sending it out guess what you're doing, keep having trouble with the i.t. program and that is the problem. we are using the same system. what we should have is a system that is totally transparent in both the price and the outcomes. there is nothing that forces that in the system. there should be a refundable tax

credit for every american so that we all have the same access to health care. there should be maximum exposure that you can have said that the insurance cannot game you. and there should be an incentive to say to make good decisions for your health care and hold positions accountable. i delivered hundreds of all mission bbs. they didn't have any health insurance. they were the best purchasers in the world. and the cost of care for them was less than the cost for everybody else. they were really good consumers and the children's everything that you did to make sure that you were not doing something that wasn't necessary. so when we care for all michaud costs a whole bunch less because first of all we had to stop and answer the questions and they were really involved in their health care. number two they didn't want any money spent the didn't absolutely have to be spent. so there was informed consent and real efficiency in the health care delivered to them. they didn't have insurance. it was coming out so they were really interested in why, what

and how. we don't have that today. and that is the only way that you are going to drive this excess cost. we are not competitive in a lot of areas in this country on the health care simply because we have a third-party payment system that doesn't make you responsible for your health care. republican of oklahoma thanks for your time. good to be with you. >> we are seeing here live outside of the u.s. capitol where a lockdown has just been lifted. the house and senate are in recess and there are reports that shots were fired and we are waiting to see if they will come back in session. the sergeant in arms in the senate said that there are reports of injuries in the shooting there. we are expecting a briefing with the capitol hill police chiefs which we will carry live on c-span. the associated press reports there was one injured capitol hill police officer in the shooting. while reuters is reporting that at least three people have been injured. abc news says sources say female

suspect reported dead on the scene at the capitol. and we are bringing you this update. we want to be cautious because it is still in the early stages of finding out what happened at the capitol. and as a precaution, we also heard that the white house is in a partial lock down. a pedestrian move across the street from the white house. so a quick update. there are reports of injuries at the capitol hill as the result of the shooting. the lock down there has been lifted and we are waiting for the house and senate to come back in session. the associated press is reporting about a story from one of the senators that was on the scene on capitol hill. the senator of pennsylvania told reporters that he was walking

from the capitol to the senate office building across the street when several police officers were driving it up the avenue on motorcycles. and mr. casey said within seconds of that we heard three or four pops' which he assumed were gunshots and the police ordered senator casey and others to crouch behind the car for protection. and then a senator casey said in about two minutes the officers moved everybody into the capitol. that story from the associated press. there are reports of injuries on capitol hill and the lock down has been lifted and we are waiting for the house and senate to come back into session. until then we are going to look at the government shut down that has been an ongoing issue. senate democratic leaders today say that house speaker is the only person keeping the government shut down.

>> we have a very simple message today for speaker boehner. responsible for the reckless games and the government he single-handedly was keeping the government shut. some recent stories have even suggested that the speaker is cheating the government shut down because i hurt his feelings. that's true, then i'm sorry i hurt your feelings. but we shouldn't take it out on

hundreds of thousands of americans that are hard at work and that are already suffering. i can only imagine what the leaders around the world must think. i met yesterday with -- i had to go to the white house to spend a lot of time with the prime minister of. i talked to him on the phone before as i was looking forward to the visit. i didn't say anything. i was embarrassed. the government is having a lot of problems. we shouldn't be a dysfunctional government. there is no reason to be other than one man and that is speaker boehner. we cannot perform the most basic functions of the government because he doesn't have the courage to stand up to that small band of anarchists. i know that is not the path that he preferred. i know that because we met the first week we came back in september and he told me that

what he wanted was a queen see our and the 98 member. now, we said this before. we didn't like that number. we didn't like it. but, we negotiated and that was our compromise. the exact bill he refuses to let the house vote on was our negotiation. i didn't twist his arm he twisted mind a little bit. to get that number. it's not a number that patty murray liked. that wasn't her budget number, but there was a compromise. now, he refused to let his own party go because he was afraid to stand up for something that he originally agreed to. who is stopping him from having a very small band of people? now, what do they want? we are not going to be disrespected. and i sat on the floor this morning. if i disrespected i'm sorry.

we have to get something out of this. now, listen to this. this is where the speaker is. i don't even know what that is. that is who we are dealing with. all they have to do is let the house work its will. all he has to do is let them vote. >> if this will help i'm going to join the majority leader in apologizing for anything i said that me and disrespected the congressman. i haven't met him but if i said anything, i want to apologize and hope that he will take that to heart and reopen the government. maybe he should consider apologizing to 800,000 furloughed workers 500,000 our veterans and one-fourth of them on the disabled and they are out

of work. out of work because they won't call to the foot of the house of representatives a resolution that would put the government back in business. talk about this respect. that to me is inexcusable to the it's one thing to show your courage by making a personal sacrifice, but it takes no courage to take it out on an innocent person in this case 800,000 innocent people. one of my colleagues from the state is going to make an announcement today that some major defense contractor in his state has announced the lay off because of the government shut down. 4,000 employees because of the government shut down. and what effect two major states. talk about the impact for the innocent people. this is totally unnecessary and could of the unforgivable. it isn't about the dollar amount as the senator said. we took their dollar amount. 998 billion. that isn't what the senator and the rest of us agree to what we have agreed to compromise.

we did 988 billion for the extension of the sea are and we also said we are prepared to negotiate senator reid put it in writing yesterday we are willing to sit down and put the major issues facing this country and the government on the table between democrats and republicans as it should be. so, what is it really all about? it appears that it's really all about the health care reform act. you ought to consider what the senator said yesterday when she came to the floor. i thought there was a telling comment as she reflected on where we are today and she is certainly no fan of the health care reform act. the senator pointed out the absurdity of the house and senator cruce's strategy though she didn't use those names i did, when she said this on the floor yesterday and i quote we've already seen exhibit de of why it isn't a winning strategy because the government shut down yesterday the obamacare exchanges opened and continued

anyway. if the object of this exercise was to stop obamacare it didn't work. up to 5 million people across the united states have already been contacted by the insurance exchanges, at 5 million in the first two days. the only complete we have heard as they can't get into the exchange's fast enough. in my state to wondered 30,000 people out of the 1.000000 uninsured people have already made contact with the insurance exchange in illinois. i'm pretty proud of that. but the state that should take the most private per capita in what they have achieved when it comes to the insurance exchanges is the commonwealth of kentucky. listen to the numbers reported in kentucky this morning reported by the secretary of the cabinet for help. she was on c-span this morning. listen to what happened in kentucky. 117,000 this it's to the kentucky insurance exchange.

109,000 were screened to determine their qualifications. 13,000 have already applied for health coverage to 800,000 are complete. hauer about that. today's and kentucky. 8,000 already successfully have made their applications and completed on the insurance exchange. i hope the two senators from kentucky will take a great pride in the response in their state to these in syringe exchanges. but in all seriousness how they going to go home and tell these 800,000 people that they are not going to have health insurance? how are they going to exploit the people in their state or any stick why he eliminating obamacare isn't the best interest of working families anywhere? it's not. i want to think michael -- thank my colleagues. yesterday we saw in the house and today in the senate the

attempt to move some bills to fund this and that. and they say why don't we do that? we like nih and veterans and d.c.. it's true, we do. but to fund these piecemeal bills would give ted cruise a power over what is funded and what is sent. ted crews came up with the strategy shut down the whole government and take the few pieces and let you find them. ted cruce is not the entire u.s. government. he shouldn't be able to determine that if he doesn't like student loans for middle class families or food stamps for people that the government won't find those that will find other things that he likes. we are not going along with it. how could we. and that is pretty much over. they spent two days trying to pass those bills and we disposed of them in a half-hour. and now the spotlight turns to

speaker bonner, the entire spotlight the government stays open the entire spotlight whether the government stays closed or is open. it's of to speaker boehner. so we started and we are working with the white house on hash tag ..

>> that's been repeated over and over again. between contractors and others. so it's all up to speaker boehner. now, i heard on the floor today mitch mcconnell, and in the past speaker boehner have said they don't want a shut down. no one wants a shutdown they said today. not so. the tea party does want to shut down. they have wanted to shut down since 2010. let me give you double quotes. congressman westmoreland rallied a crowd in september talking about a shutdown. he said the government shutdown that's what i wanted to hear a good clap for the. and the people in the audience applauded. you can get the tape. and senator lee said a government shutdown was absolutely necessary.

the list of tea party activists and of tea party elected representatives who say they want a shutdown is long. but they can't accomplish it on their own. they are aided and abetted by speaker boehner. if speaker boehner is to say tea party, we are not going to have your way it would be over like that. if speaker boehner continues to aid in the that the tea party the government stays shut down. so the real focus is not on the tea party. we know have a few. they want to shut the government down. the real focus is on speaker boehner. the spotlight is on speaker boehner. if you will finally resist the tea party, the government could open in about an hour. >> my sincere apologies. i don't know you but i don't

want to do things you from afar or from close up. [inaudible] >> i know that. >> and let me make it clear if it takes a group, i'm here. but the fact is that -- >> company confession of the democratic leadership. >> what we heard yesterday really sums up the house position, republican positioned perfectly. we are not going to be disrespected. we have to get something out of this, and i don't know what that even as. they have no idea what they want anymore. but they are making our country pay the price for that. they seem to think if they do the right thing, the obvious thing vote to end his government shutdown while we continue to negotiate, then it we somehow clear that house republicans were duped.

had no idea what they're getting themselves into and had no plan for getting themselves out or the country out of this. now as you know santa cruz spent the summer traveling around the country promising the tea party the sun, the moon and end of obamacare. he spent 21 hours on the senate floor pretending to filibuster a motion he then voted for. and then he talked the problem that he created over to the house. to quote my good friend grover norquist, he pushed house republicans into traffic and wandered away. and then on tuesday to the shock of tea partiers around the country who had been told a government shutdown would end obamacare, the new marketplace is came online. millions of families and small business owners signed on to healthcare.gov. and by the way, there is still no creepy signs of uncle sam popping up into any women's exam rooms. so i'm not surprised house

republicans feel dejected right now. they were goaded into taking their own constituents hostage come and have to know by now they eventually are going to have to release them. because as upset as they are by those situation as egregious as they feel right now families and communities across the country have real reasons to feel disrespected. and the pressure is going to build. every single day in every single newspaper and local newscasts across the country people are hearing about the impact of the shut down. and many of them are already feeling it themselves. hundreds of thousands of workers are furloughed come including intelligence workers are protecting our country. researchers working for cancer. small businesses in the same. had starts to think and way. national parks close. billions of dollars being sucked out of our economy. the list goes on and on and on.

so i say to house republicans this isn't about you. it's not about your feeling. it's about the people he represents. more and more republicans are coming out in support of a clean c.r. that will end this crisis. at least one in the house so far. so speaker boehner we say let the senate bill, on the floor. give it a vote so we know it passed and in this government shutdown. give it a vote and end this shut down. and when he does come as leader reid has made very clear we are waiting at the table ready to negotiate on the long-term budget deal, and an end to the constant crisis. >> does the car can have a point here that they will not be disrespected? but you are all sort of standing up there and laughing. you think in a negotiation that you have to get something?

>> how about the $988 billion that we don't like? that was my concession to get this done cleanly. that's what he wanted. i say john i can't do that. he said, you've got to do that. so i talked to my friends, i'm going to have to sell this thing, and we did. you know senator murray is an example. led the charge and she kept trying to say, patty let's end this thing. know, ctv income and we did. after 5:00 and when we had over 100 in this. talk about a concession. that's the legislation is all about. and i did that. i trusted john boehner. you have to do this for me. i won't go into all the detail. he has some problems of his own. then they start doing all this change it to remember, he tried to live up to that. remember? he tried to give them something to vote on repealing obamacare.

all, no, we can see right through that. we've made some kind of a deal and you are going to have this c.r. at 988 which we ate. he couldn't live up to that so he has been doing gymnastics with himself ever since then. and then yesterday, i said this on the senate floor and i really believe it. i thought we had something he couldn't refuse. open the government and we'll negotiate with you on anything you want to negotiate with. i outlined anything that he wanted to talk about. the farm bill was hung up, we'll talk about that. discretion. >> , you want to talk about -- health or can anything want to talk about, that includes obamacare. we will talk with anything but open to government. get the debt ceiling out of here. so i really respectfully say to you, i think we have really compromise a lot. we agreed what he wanted.

it's hard but then he couldn't do what he said he would do. >> a bipartisan group of house members, republican and democrat, came forward and said a six-month see her with a medical device repeal paid for and said this is a very compromise position. >> listen, we said we will negotiate on anything they want to talk about, that includes as we indicated anything in health care. but but the government ultimately has to get the debt ceiling out of the way. this stuff is upon us. the device stacks, i'm not going to get into it all the in and out of that but it's something i've spoken to senator baucus. i've spoken to senator hatch. we are willing to talk about that and anything else. but the proposal is has an act of desperation from their standpoint. you can do something -- can't do

it if it involves tens of billions of dollars. >> in order to give in while the government is shot to we demand, what do you think happens on the debt ceiling? what do you think happens when the c.r. has to be renewed? the hard right says, see by holding a gun to their heads we've got something we wanted. we will up the ante this thing. so it's not the specific proposal. it doesn't seem like that much of obamacare. it's the message. we're going to threaten and shut the government down and kill you agree with us. you can't fall for that legislative blackmail, or it will get worse and worse and worse. so if you open up the government, of course we talk. >> and the president was very clear last night about that very clear about that. he believes the debt ceiling is not a place where there should be hostagetaking.

my republican friends said well, it's been done before. one thing about window rock obama becomes professor obama it's pretty good. we laid out pretty clearly how this debt ceiling works of generations of time and it's never ever happen before. never. so thanks, chuck. that's absolutely true. >> does a stand-alone bill to pay the troops can one be able to agree to that standalone to which objected to the stand-alone bill today? >> it has by that time we had met all the silliness back and forth in the house. we thought that would end it. it didn't. [inaudible] obviously you've gotten visual aid today. people can't get into parks and federal office buildings. what are you doing come and expect to be this weekend? >> the answer is yes, i expect to be this weekend, unless

something happens to be. remember, we don't have to be this weekend. all they have to do is have a vote that senator schumer's chart up here. so now for my office i closed my nevada offices, which is really really so hard. you know, i have people here that are on furlough. a lot of people on furlough, so it's a shame one person i won't mention his name but they just had their third baby within the past few months. this is hard. he's home. senator collins can i don't know if she said that everybody but i'm sure i'm not violating any confidence her, she has a lot of caseworkers who made $27,000 a year. they do that for a number of reasons. one of which to get health care. they are on furlough. so it's up to an individual senator what they do but i reduced my staff a lot more than

makes it easy for me. i have a list of my people -- >> you can see the rest of this at our website c-span.org. there was a shooting on capitol hill with the capital complex lockdown being lifted. going live now to a briefing with the capitol hill police chief. >> at about 2:18 p.m. this afternoon there was a vehicle advocacy of the white house that apparently went past a decade. the vehicle attempted to be stop by secret service. uniform division. shots were potentially fired. they pursued the vehicle. the vehicle struck one of our people. [inaudible] ultimately ended up in maryland northeast where they went past some of our barricades.

at this time, both scenes are secured. we initially like townsend bell is in the capital this can be. the lock-in has been released. we have no -- related to terrorism or anything other than an isolated incident. >> how many people in the vehicle? >> we are working the metropolitan police department are handling the shooting scene. obviously, the secret service and the u.s. -- >> how many people in the vehicle? >> we are still investigating that. we believe the was a child involved. >> how many shots? >> [inaudible] >> disappears been isolated incident with just one vehicle

involved. there's been coordination between all the agencies that are just mentioned, including the fbi. so both scenes are under control. [inaudible] >> i do not have -- >> condition of the injured officer? >> one of our officers was struck. he appears to be conscious and breathing. >> and no officer shot chief? >> as far as we know, no officer has been shot. [inaudible] >> pardon me? [inaudible] >> we believe so. >> how many shots fired? >> we are still investigating that. obviously, we have multiple seems so we are still collecting evidence. [inaudible] >> it all appears he one incident, but -- >> were shots fired at the capitol? >> no. we have no information that shots were fired at the capital.

what i'll do in about half an hour, i'll give you an update. [inaudible] >> did one of the police cruisers had a barricade up your? >> outcome back at about a quarter after four. >> thank you very much. thank you. >> [inaudible conversations] >> a briefing with the capitol hill police chief after shooting on capitol hill.

he said expect another update in about a half hour from now. the house is back in session after recessing for the shooting, and we're waiting for the senate to come back in. the associate press writes that a law enforcement official says a shooting at the capitol is not related -- is related to a vehicle that try to ram a security barricade at the white house. the official says a driver tried to drive through a barricade that blocks a stretch of pennsylvania avenue in front of the white house. the driver then proceeded down pennsylvania avenue to capitol hill where shots were fired. we are getting more details from reporters. fox news says speaker boehner, second in line to the presidency, was in the gop cloakroom by the house floor during the shooting incident. he stayed in the cloak room into cleared. and ed o'keefe with "washington post," another twist, incident appears to begin around 2:19 p.m. when capitol police officers received -- were seen

running from the basement to the first floor. again, we are waiting for the update from capitol hill police expected in about a half-hour. the shooting is interrupted what has been singular focus in washington on the, shut down. we are going to hear more from senate democrats now with a news conference on the negative impact on the, shut down is having on businesses. >> well, good morning to all of you on day three of the tea party shut down of the united states government. and all of our many private sector partners that are hard hit, and significantly hurt by their irresponsible and reckless

and radical behavior. a few days ago because of their actions to deny a vote on the floor of the house from a bipartisan senate resolution that would keep the government operating and keep our small businesses working, they have sent moms and dads, and and uncles, cousins and friends home without a paycheck without any idea of what is going to happen. it is a sad and shameful time in washington, d.c. and a heart wrenching time around our nation. they are now taking their anarchy and extortion from capitol hill to main street. main street in their own districts. where the real pain is beginning to be felt. small businesses that derive

their livelihood from businesses surrounding many of our parks and monuments, small businesses that thousands surround medical institutions, our military institutions let alone buildings that are all over the country that have federal employees that used to be in them are no longer in many of these businesses support that activity, whether it's parking lot, restaurants, dentist offices, starbucks et cetera. last night on the news there were many stories in louisiana and here around, but one story was about a waitress. i'm sure she doesn't make much more than the minimum wage, and maybe on a good day she gets tips. well, she was on the news last night saying that after we had all led a successful effort against the odds to keep the

third largest training facility, joint training facility in the nation open after the threat of sequester and the threat of the defense contracting is constricting is going on, after we survived that she doesn't think she's going to be able to divide the tea party recklessness. because no one is coming to the restaurant where she works. so she's already feeling her tip wage go down and she said last night she thinks she may lose her job. this is the result of republican minority tea party that thinks this is a way to run a government, run and nation. they are wrong and their actions are hurtful. let me give you just a couple of facts about small businesses around the country, and then i'm going to call on my to extraordinary colleagues who have been strong voices in their state come in the region, and nationally for small business. and i think senator shaheen

senator heitkamp for being with us this morning. according to the small business procurement scorecard, the federal government, which is one of the largest employers in the world spends $400 billion a year with the private sector. i want you to write this number down. 400 billion. that's a billion dollars a day with private companies. some of them are represented here. those contracts have been put at risk i tea party shenanigans. last year the sba small business administration, through its main program through a very difficult time might i add this has not been the recession has been very hard, but nonetheless, the sba, one of the smallest in the nation has used its little muscles that it has and it pushed out 53000 loans went a lot the banks were saying no to

the people walking in the front door. we have the money -- we have no money to lend you. the sba made that possible, supported 571,000 jobs last year. those jobs are at risk. every day please write this to the press. there are 150 loans that are not going to small business every day. $93 million shut down. so we are on day three. you can do the math. in louisiana that equals $5000 of capital not flow into louisiana's businesses because of the tea party shut down. gulf coast bank am one of the largest lenders in the region, they reported that yesterday morning 1.8 million in small business loans are on hold due to the tea party shut down. that's one bank. we have 7000 in america. and we have 2000 that belong to this program. so this math is looking worse and worse every day.

so when i turn it over to jeanne shaheen, who is a former governor and the chief economic officer of the state as governor, and not as a senator who serves on the small business committee, i like her to shed some light on how difficult this is going to be for many small businesses in your state and then we'll have some comments from some of the small business people here. >> thank you very much, senator landrieu, for calling attention to the very real challenges that are being faced by small business. and thank you to all of the small businesses who are represented here today for joining us. effect is as senator landrieu said, the consequences of the shut down on the small businesses in our country are very real. and we are seeing this in new hampshire where we have a small business state, most people in new hampshire work for small businesses where we know that

about two out of three jobs that are going to be created as we continue to get out of this recession are going to be created by small businesses, and they can't afford the consequences of this government shut down. we are hearing from of those individual businesses in my office from new hampshire. one of those a company, a small innovative company that makes carbon nano tubes that truly revolutionary technology. and he told me that once the contracts were shut down, and i want to just quote from him when i talked to their ceo he said, our income would drop to essentially zero. we would burn are very thin cash reserves and when that money is burned and is not able to brew place, so our basic financial viability can be irrevocably damaged, even after the crisis

passes. this is the thing. this doesn't and for these small businesses after we get the government up and running again. and this is a business like so many others in new hampshire that have already been expected is affected by sequestration by those cuts and now they're getting a double whammy because of the government shut down. another new hampshire business owner with a company called global phone call me to express his deep frustration with what's going on here. for failing to pass a continuing resolution. global phone satellite phone technologies help federal agencies meet critical needs and with the shut down everything is up in the air. they are not certain what this means for their government contracts. and as a result their cash flows are uncertain. their line of credit is uncertain and their future is uncertain. we heard from a small mortgage lending company and right now they can't close some of their

new loans because they can get the necessary tax information to verify their borrower's income. so not only is the mortgage lenders business being held up by this uncertainty but so are home sales. when we got housing market that just is beginning to recover. senator landrieu talked about the sba lending impact from the shut down. well, in new hampshire, sba loans last year helped 630 small businesses get access to over $130 million in loans. so this is having a real impact. it's having an across the board for businesses for the families. it's bad for the economy, and it's bad for the country. and it doesn't need to be this way. what we need is for the house to come to the table to be willing to put the bill on the floor that would fund the government, and to get a clean vote if the

votes are there to pass it. it is time now to bring the bill up has to, to get this government open again. i'm very pleased to be joined this morning by a new never of the senate he was a great advocate for small businesses, which she has a lot of inner home state of north dakota heidi heitkamp. >> thank you so much. during the time that i was an elected official in north dakota i served on something called the international commission and we ran the bank of north dakota. and what we did at the bank of north dakota was we participated on a regular basis with the small business administration to provide economic opportunity for entrepreneurs. and it pays off but it pays off huge dividends for our country. it tells our country, look this is the bedrock, the bedrock of our economic activity. and now we have a situation in washington, d.c. where is the federal government applied for an sba loan, they wouldn't qualify. and about that.

we would not qualify for an sba loan, number one, we haven't demonstrated any amount of stability. instead, we keep manufacturing crises, going from point to point to point and not getting things done. the same thing we expect all these small businesses to do to run their business in an efficient, effective manner do the right thing by their employees, but yet we don't do that here in washington, d.c. this is the world's worst example of how to run a government. and here we are. and the great challenge that we have today is any time you hear a concern or complaint us and like there's another resolution over in the house to address the concern that's gotten to headlines. but who's going to stand for the small business folks? who's going to stand up for that i dropped of the american economy in a time where we are relying on them to bolster and build our fragile economy back? who stands for them? there's not a resolution over the that opens up tonight. there's not a resolution over

the that helps them. there's not a resolution over the that deals with head start. many of the emerging businesses rely on head start programs for their employees and for themselves to build to have that opportunity to get your kid a great education while they're trying to build the future other states and the country and their businesses. let's stop the nonsense. let's stop behaving inappropriately. let's start funding government the right way and let start moving towards solving our long-term problems. if you think about the situation that we have today, we are having a debate about a resolution that would fund government for six weeks. coming on five weeks now. that's what the debate is about. instead of a long-term systemic reforms that we all know we need to have in government, and we are so polarized opinions and points of view that we need to figure out a way to bring it back together. but it can't be by peace nearly a budget resolution. it's got to be by recognizing that we are all in this together, that there are reasons

why we have programs like sba. and if we jeopardize those and don't recognize the value of those, we will be affecting the bedrock of american economy. so i am very proud to be joined with chairwoman landrieu and my great friend, governor shaheen and with these wonderful small businesspeople who are building our economy and building the future for our people and for our employees. and we hope we hope that efforts like this and you were speaking out will make a huge difference in terms of our results. i want to introduce john who's the ceo of a small business, and he's going to speak on the impasse of economic insecurity. >> thank you, senator heitkamp and thank you, senator landrieu and senator shaheen for your leadership on small business issues, and thank you to all the small business owners who are here to represent a tiny

fraction of a microcosm of the 20 million small business owners across this country. my name is john. i'm a longtime entrepreneur and ceo and founder of a small business majority. we are a national small business advocacy organization whose offices in seven states plus washington, d.c., and working with our 85 strategic partners across the country we have a network of over 300,000 small businesses. we also conduct scientific research into the key issues affecting small business owners. i appreciate the opportunity to talk about this government shutdown from a small business perspective. because the real-life consequences for real small businesses and real small business owners get lost in the political theater. there's been a lot said about the political gamesmanship around this shut down but this is not again. this is not a game for these folks up here. this is not aching for our nation small business owners. small business owners are generally frightened for what can happen as a result of this shut down.

the shutdown creates as you've already heard tremendous uncertainty which diminishes consumer confidence. we know from our recent polling that the number one concern of small businesses is continued consumer confidence with as we continue to pull out of the recession. that there are people companies that are there to buy their products and services. anything that scares consumers weeks have it on small businesses bottom line. what makes this worse is happening in the fourth quarter which has a disproportionate effect on some a retail establishment. slacking sales has since consequences on profits and jobs. what's more there are thousands of small businesses that are government contractors or whose businesses depend on government contractors. in fact, you hear from one of them today. many small business contractors have had to cut back due to sequestration and sustained cuts could be the death knell for many who are struggling to keep their doors open. to make matters worse small businesses are suffering from

the fact that this small business administration loan processing is grinding to a halt. so why is the government shutdown right now? it's because a narrow band of ideologues are hell-bent on relitigating a health care long that's been passed by the congress, signed by the president, upheld by the supreme court and, in fact two days ago for the most part went into effect. small businesses are not interested in ideology. we're in is increasing our products taking care of our customers and making payroll. a small business majority polling backs this up. we need our government to recognize and support this. a few days ago we launched a national sign-on campaign at www.stop the shutdown.com. asking small business owner to the their represented in washington know the government shutdown would adversely affect their bottom line. we need a solution for the shutdown immediately. again, that's stop the shutdown.com. hundreds of voters across the country of all resigned that we

need more. congress needs to get back to the business of governing for the good of our country instead of playing politics. doing otherwise puts countless small businesses and our fragile economy in jeopardy. thank you, and now it is my pleasure to introduce the president of sba lending division, and also the chair of the national association of government here. >> first of all want to thank chairman landrieu, senator shaheen senator heitkamp for allowing me to be here to speak today to the very deep ripple effect that the shutdown of this government is causing to small businesses across our country. so thank you to john. i'm the president of susquehanna bank government guaranteed lending department where i manage the as be of any and all the government guaranteed lending across the banks for state footprint pennsylvania

new jersey, maryland and west virginia. and over 233 branches. this bank has served this community for over a century. the loans are essentially administered in our office and we participate in virtually all of the sba programs under the seven-day umbrella. for the past 25 years i have been on the board of directors of the national association of government guaranteed lenders which is a trade association for banks and nonbanks that participate in the programs of the small business administration, and i'm presently the chair of the board of that trade association. chairwoman landrieu spoke of over 2000 banks that participate in small business lending. 750 of the most active participants are members of our trade association. i wish to thank the small business majority for having me in attendance, and i really do wish it was under better circumstances that we could brag

about what the small business administration and this program do but i still want to share with you the dramatic effect of the shattering, the shattering of the government and what it's done for our customers. as sba provide small business access to long-term capital, virtually they obtain the most vital funding through the program of the sba. they use the most often to start up and expand their existing businesses. as sba's most heavily used product, small business across the country blot on these loans to create jobs and rebuild our economy go forward. a government shutdown with this government shutdown, although additional sba loans have been vetted and approved and submitted to the agency after monday at midnight, we were proud to approve over

$2.9 billion of sba loans just in the month of september alone. so the shutdown of the government has ground to a halt. many of the loans that are income and the now put in a queue waiting for funding when the federal budget is passed. the government shutdown should not be impacting borrowers and other small businesses. they are the innocent bystanders who are being impacted by this shut down. i ask you, please do not heard of these borrowers. with no alternative access to capital, small businesses across argument you will suffer crippling effects of growth, especially if the shutdown lasts for an extended period of time. as we grow out of uncertain economic times, cutting opportunities for businesses to expand and reinvest in their countries and employs only create additional economic

uncertainty. as the banks and lenders are no longer able to fill the fundamental need left with the absence of the sba. the sba allows banks to approve loans that they would compare unable to approve under normal banking regulations and policies and procedures. just yesterday, i learned of a customer that is applied for a loan at susquehanna bank. tl technologies owned in part by chris, a veteran operates a manufacturing and an exporter in pennsylvania. they are about to receive a new government contract that would begin on october 20. and they are buying any piece of equipment and hiring two new employees who are about to begin. as of now the bank has approved alone, but we cannot get funding through the sba because the deadline hit before his application got to the sba.

this is causing a very difficult time for him and he is only an example of one of the many. we have a young couple who finally secured a lease in a sought after location in the city of philadelphia to open their french restaurant the their legal permanent residents, however, we cannot get the sba loan approved without verifying their immigration status, which we are unable to do because the government is shut down. through this difficult time and we would like to applaud sba's outstanding commitment to ensure access to capital and meet demands from lenders and small businesses that need access to capital to start or grow their companies. to meet the demands, the sba approved $740 million in gross approvals just last week. the ability, the inability of lawmakers to successfully avoid a federal government shutdown is distressing as a lender, myself

it relies on the as be is a government guaranteed offerings to be able to meet the needs of my small business customers. in the coming days and weeks, i urge them to work together as quickly as possible to agree upon a budget and restore access to much-needed capital for the hard-working small business owners across the country. and as joe pointed out the one thing i find to be most distressing is as icy as a letter to small businesses, consumer confidence creeping back up to be hit with another blow as devastating and lasting results. so they need to resolve this is greater than ever. thank you very much. >> good morning. i am very honored to be here today, especially the share this podium with the speaker.

i am the owner and president of business and associates. we are a management consulting firm right here in washington, d.c. area. we are 90% federal contractors. so most of our employees are working either on site or performing some other type of federal work. eichinger today, and i had this whole nice little list of comments that i wanted to provide and hit the point home about a difficult this is. but i think the most interesting thing that you will hear today is my story because we have been hit hard by the shenanigans on capitol hill. and i think it's important that you put a face to what's going on. i think it's important that you here that this isn't just some decision i'm making. this is a decision that impacts people every day. it impacts their ability to buy

groceries. it impacts their ability to get gas to go to work, if they can go to work. it impacts people every single day. so starting out and understanding sequestration you know as a small business owner especially in this town, we hear a lot about what goes on the hill, and some of it that would never happen, they would never let that happen. sequestration happened on and again, as a small business owner you're like oh my gosh this can't be happening, this isn't true. those who are set to protect us those two are set to help us would not let this happen. but yes, that small faction of a rational individuals let it happen. we are being held hostage. so it happened. i had to lay off probably 10 people when sequestration it. so if the goal is to increase the number of jobs we have out

there to decrease unemployment to ensure that our economy is booming i had to lay off 10 people because of sequestration. i don't want to make another phone call to some debt is trying to figure what he's going to do for his kid for health insurance to say, i'm sorry, that contract was cut. i'm sorry that contract, the funding is now gone. i'm not quite sure what you and your fans are going to be able to do for health insurance, then i had a ray of hope. we had the affordable care as coming. i knew then as an employer who cares, at least those families would have had insurance coming. but now you want to put the interest on the chopping block as part of some chess game? when you see the millions of people that that's actually impacts day-to-day? you see the millions of people who flooded the internet trying

to get that care. so that i say no shutdown can't happen. that's not a possibility of it's not going to happen. and lo and behold here we are again held hostage. and so i had to contracts that were supposed to start on october 1. they didn't start. so don't have another call to make? i hope not. i don't want to make any more calls. i don't want to call one more dad or one more mama he was just trying to get by and tell them i'm so sorry, that funding was cut. because we have some folks in congress who don't understand real life. who don't understand what it is to go paycheck to paycheck to make ends meet. they don't understand what it is they need health insurance. i'm proud that i can offer my employees health insurance when they are on my roles. but if i have to terminate and because of lack of funding on a contract that throws them into a different area.

so while you guys are playing chess and figuring out, you know, how you're going to cut some corners on the things that really people actually need day-to-day, consider the impact you are having on the millions and millions of small business owners like me. we don't want you to play chess anymore. we want you to think about what we need and to follow suit. this isn't again. this isn't about you are winning and saying yes, i got it. because in the end, we lose. thank you. [applause] >> thank you for going off your script. that was excellent. can we open it up to any questions? [inaudible]

>> well, first of all it shouldn't be about whether it's democrats like myself will crack a nut. it should be about whether these businesses can sustain their shenanigans be in the answer is they cannot. this broader group of republicans is playing with fire. it is hard to describe their actions of shutting the government down why they seem to be giddy about patty how could they possibly be happy about hearing these stories? because that's what shutting the government does to small businesses all over america. now, the answer is they need to open the government now bypassing the resolution -- by passing the resolution that was

passed by the republicans and since -- democrats innocent. that would open the government, and then decide to go to a conference on the budget committee, which they resisted it for six months. step one opened the government. step two go to budget conference. i want to remind everyone here the senate has voted 18 times to go to a budget conference to have a debate about what senator shaheen and senator heitkamp particularly said, about the real big issues that are affecting us to our 10 year outlook, debt burden that we are carrying, the challenge to the economy. but the first step is the tea party you know to stop their tea party and to open the government. step two, is to go to a budget conference. so that is what we are here to say. this is not again. in the effort to hurt the government, which they have said is their point they do want to

hurt the government. but they are very confused about what the government is. small businesses and private sector companies are partners with the government. so in their attempt are the government, for whatever the reason is they are hurting millions and millions of small businesses are and as one of the speakers said even when the government comes back to work, which one day i'm assuming we will since we are the greatest in the world not perfect but the greatest in the world one day while the government employers may get their paychecks, these businesses might not be there. to resume their contracts. because if they miss payroll or if they default, they are gone. and then it gets more dangerous every day as this goes on. what could happen when the market sees that this rogue group of a responsible

individuals is not only holding the government of the united states hostage all businesses that are partners of the government, which are millions of all sizes and shapes, but then they seem willing in the comments to hold the economy of the united states hostage that will cause havoc on every business, every business in america, every family in america, their credit ratings will go down and it is not even it's even hard to contemplate. so i don't know heidi if you want to add anything to that. >> i think just the point that as bad as what this is, if we can't figure out how to solve and increase the debt limit that's going to have catastrophic results and we need to start talking but those catastrophic speed we are in the mystical life to the senate. they are coming back in after shooting on capitol hill hearing

now for majority leader reid. [no audio] [inaudible]

mr. reid: he's hurt, but he said -- i'm paraphrasing it, but not much -- he said, "i work every day to smirk you're saivment" and when he says me, he's not talking about me. he means us. my thoughts are with him for a speedy recovery and again my admiration goes to all federal law enforcement but especially our capitol police. mr. president, i ask unanimous consent that the senate proceed to the consideration of calendar numbers 18 and 198. -- 1818 and 198. the presiding officer: the clerk will report. the clerk: s. res. 228 report authorizing the committee reporting of authorizations for 12014 through february 28, 2015, calendar number 198, s. res. 253, authorizing expenditures by committees of the senate for the periods october 1 2013 through september 30, 2014 and october 1, 2014 through february 28,

2015. the presiding officer: is there frocks the matter? without objection the senate proceed en bloc. mr. reid: i ask consent that the resolutions be agreed to, the motions to reconsider be laid on the table en bloc, understand that be in intervening action or debate. the presiding officer: without objection, so ordered. mr. reid: mr. president, i ask unanimous consent that when the senate completes its business today it adjourn until 10:30 a.m. tomorrow, friday, october 4 and following the prayer and pledge the morning hour deemed expired the journal of proceedings be approved to date the time for the two leaders be reserved for their use later in the day and that following any leader remarks the senate be in a period of morning business for debate only until 2:00 p.m. with senators permitted to speak for up to ten minutes each. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. reid: mr. president if there is no further business to come before the senate, i ask that it adjourn under the previous order. proeupt senate stands adjourned -- the presiding officer: the senate stands adjourned until 10

>> we will go back to the government shutdown story now to hear from senators speaking on the floor earlier today. starting with a prayer from the senate chaplain. >> let us pray. have mercy upon us, oh god. and save us from the madness. we acknowledge our transgressions, our shortcomings our smugness, our selfishness, and our pride. create in us clean hearts oh

god, and renew a right spirit within us. deliver us from the hypocrisy of attempting to sound reasonable while being unreasonable. remove the burdens of those who are the collateral damage of this government shutdown. transforming negatives into positives as you work for the good of those who love you. we pray in your merciful name. amen. >> please join me in reciting the pledge of allegiance to the flag. i pledge allegiance to the flag

of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands: one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> the clerk will read a communication to the senate. >> washington, d.c. october 3, 2013. to the senate, under provision of rule one paragraph three, standing rules of the senate i hereby appoint honorable brian shaw commissioned from a the state of hawaii to perform the duties of the chair, patrick j. leahy. >> under the previous order having received h.j. res. 7071 and 73 from the house measures are considered to have received their second meetings and objection to for the proceedings is considered to have been heard for purposes of rule 14.

>> mr. president? >> majority leader. >> on later remarks, the senate will be in mourning business until 2 p.m. this afternoon. the first our would be equally divided and controlled between the two leaders. republicans will control the first 30 minutes and the majority the second 30 minutes. mr. president, yesterday i made the speaker of the house of representatives, john boehner, and offer i thought he couldn't refuse. but he did. house republican leaders have demanded the senate joined in and a conference committee to work out budget differences. that seem like a good idea to me. that's what democrats yesterday asked to consent to do exactly that, go to conference. mr. president, on anything you want to talk about, spending,

you want to talk about health care you want to talk about agriculture, we can talk about post office, doesn't matter. we, in our agreement, what we proposed to them, whatever you want to talk about. so i formally offered that. first sending a letter to the speaker. i talked to him, and i came to the floor here and we iterated the offer. my only condition that the conferees negotiating the light of day while the government is open for business. it doesn't seem too unreasonable. to my surprise the speaker refused and the senate republicans objected. house republicans truly don't know what they want. they can't take yes for an answer now. we have agreed to their budget number which we thought should

be higher. we agreed to that. they wanted to go to conference. we agreed to that. but mr. president they had trouble agreeing for anything for quite some time now. passed by the senate, despite always having a budget by the force of law we decide let's give them their way. we worked hard, led by senator murray to a budget that we completed after 5:00 in the morning. over 100 immense. then calling what they said what they wanted regular order. said let's go to conference. work out the differences. they pass their budget. we passed ours. against what? after all of this haranguing about having a budget, regular order, they decided they didn't like that so well. it was really great difficult to

comprehend. when republicans finally got what they said they wanted, it turned out they didn't want it after all. yesterday, same story. republicans as to go to conference on the budget. democrats agreed. republicans objected. these tactics truly mr. president are back to orwellian orwellian. they believe that if you go east, you're really going west. if you're going north you're really going south. you are not going down you're going up. whatever obviously face a -- anything israeli. but mr. president, maybe they really don't know what they want. maybe they don't have a game plan. and it's becoming more apparent every day. one of the house republican key party leaders congressman from

indiana by the name of stutzman admitted this to one of the washington newspapers yesterday. here is what he said. this is a quote. listen to this, mr. president. here's what he said. we are not going to be disrespected. we have to get something out of it. now listen to this, the last phrase of the state and. but i don't know what that is. if there's anyway i is respected in our we disrespected him, we don't want that to happen. we apologize. they want to get something out of this but let's consider that. they don't know what they want. it's hard to make a deal. republicans should come to their senses and realize there's more than pride in line. the longer this republican government shutdown process, the harder it will be on our economy. i hope they can figure out what

it is that they want. before the damage to the recovery is even more irreversible than they've already created. it's obvious the strain of the shutdown has beginning to wear on many republicans. pick up the papers today, listen to the news. there were reports of vicious infighting from the republicans. this is what one republican said after the meeting. and i quote it was very evident to everyone in the room that the junior senator from texas doesn't have a strategy. he never had a strategy. he could never answer questions about where the endgame was. just like stutzman from indiana. into the quote, mr. president. that's the danger of following a tea party because you followed them, your head off the cliff and that's where we have been and that's where we are already are, trying to get out of the cliff that they have created. they put us over i should say. tea party republicans don't really want a way out of the government shutdown.

i read here statement yesterday from one of their -- she's a congressman, she ran for president. she said finally we have gotten what we want. they have shut down the government. so i think my statement i made about they being an artist is pretty valley. they're glad the government shutdown. they don't believe in government. a government shutdown is the endgame for them come obviously. tea party republicans don't really want a way out of this government shutdown. they like it the way it is. but mr. president in addition to the statement coming from republican senate caucus, more than 20 -- have said on the record that they are ready to pass a way to fund this government right now.

now, mr. president, i wasn't a math major, far from it, but i can count. if those 20 reasonable republicans unite with 200 house democrats that's a majority in the house of representatives. that would end the shutdown now. so i've a message for my mainstream republican colleagues. if you ever hope to get out of this mess if you hope to end this republican government shutdown, get rid of the tea party direction. go with us. help us we opened a government. we can start negotiations today. mr. president, as everyone knows, i think i had anything with speaker boehner and leader pelosi last night in the white house. speakers said after the meeting of course is obvious during the meeting, the only thing he cares about is obamacare. that's what this is all about. they don't care about anything

else. now mr. president, we know that this government shutdown has done to our country already. general clapper the leaders and our intelligence gathering a fresh around the world has stated that 72% of people who work in our intelligence agencies are home watching tv, reading a book. they are not at work are protecting us from the bad people around the world. we've talked about our national parks year. -- parks here. it's been bad for people coming to nevada the want to do things in our parks. but not only for them it's hurt business in nevada, as it has around the country. nih. mr. president, we all understand

how important it is that people are sick and ill have the ability to have the best care in the world. if you're at the end of the line and you're fortunate enough maybe there's still another chance, they're doing so back in been at the national institutes of health, and maybe they can help you. not now. can't do it now because of the republicans. senators -- centers for disease control not a very glamorous sounding name but that's what it's about, controlling disease. most of them are furloughed. senator harkin came on the floor yesterday and talked about a real serious problem that they couldn't to get what it. people were sick and dying. centers for disease control figured it out. it was because of pomegranate

seed coming from some other country. they work on these scorches every day. these are things that come up and make people sick. we are in the flu season right now. they are not working on that. now, the second-in-command in the house of representatives, congressman cantor said yesterday that's okay we know that there's a lot of problems all round our country with the shutdown but we are going to one by one reopen those agencies. mr. president it's so obvious, it's so obvious this is all directly toward president obama's signature legislation obamacare. they want to piecemeal this and wind up trying to hurt

obamacare. even dr. coburn, it was a medical doctor, never known for being a shrinking violator, he said this is not the way to go. obamacare is funded. except for maybe 10%. mr. president we are willing to sit down and talk about anything they want to talk about in conference, and the government has to open first. it's time for my republican friends to defy your tea party overlords. ..in order to repeal obamacare is becoming so transparent and so bad for the country. no one -- i mean, mr. president it wasn't very popular for them

to do it anyway. every day that goes by, it is less popular. it it is a bad sign for the republicans. millions of americans visited federal marketplace exchanges the last few days. the demand is so high on some web sites they crashed. this is not unprecedented. google when they first started faced same challenges. take, for example my friend, the republican leader's state o

here's what he said yesterday i quote, i -- don't see how burke is bank accounting the market. a man by the name of gregory manqiw. harvard economist

there are many more quotes but you get the picture. when the history boxes are written they will be written bach will be seen as a greatest single step since medicare by fairness to all americans. the more america learns about global care in light of obamacare the more they like it. republicans should be wise to abandon their practical request to repeal it. it's been the law for -- four years. >> mr. president. >> republican leader. >> i want to start this morning with a point that is obvious to me but bears repeating. nobody wants the shut down. democrats say they don't want it.

republicans certainly don't want it. we all can agree on at least that. the question at this point is how do we resolve the issues that truly divide us? and really divide us? the point i've been making all week is simply this. the only thing from keeping the government from opening up the democrat's refusal to apply a simple principle of fairness when it comes to obamacare. let's treat everybody the same. let's treat everybody the same. basically all the house is asking for at this point, they wanted a lot more but all they're asking for at this point is level playing field when it comes to obamacare. northeast about the only thing standing in the way of the government opening back up. it's a pretty reasonable request. if washington democrats -- can't agree to that. can they join us in making sure that the veteran's program is funding. the honor flight issue veterans

can visit the world war ii memorial. and the national institute of health can continue the research. can we at least agree on that? that's just the right thing to do. it responds directly to the concerns that a number of our democratic colleagues have raised and same thing that congress voted to do a couple of days ago with the brave men and women of our military. i hope my friends across the aisle will reflect on the efforts of republicans in the house and the senate to quickly vote on all the bills in the senate last night to get the government reopened as soon as possible. that said yesterday's meeting at the white house frankly wasn't particularly encouraging. the president basically called us down there to tell us he's not interested in negotiating. it was essentially a negotiation about not negotiating. now we hear he's off campaigning today in rockville, sitting down

to get it solved which is certainly disappointing. here is the good news a solution isn't that far from reach. nobody want a shutdown, so that's a good start. it's hard argue with what republicans are asking for especially after the embarrassing, embarrassing rollout of obamacare exchanges on tuesday. one of the folks -- the president had standing behind him at the white house tried to log on and sign up for obamacare. after a couple of unsuccessful attempts the postreports that she cave us literally up. here is the quote it's not so great. not so great? some americans might call that an understatement. you would think that the administration would be begging for a delay after stories like that. this should be easy. congress gets treated the same way as everybody else on the obamacare exchanges and the

individuals get the same breaks that the president handed out to employer. the same break the president has already unit -- given to employer. it's time for democrats to start acting responsibly and time to work with us to get our way out of this mess. we are planning to go live to the press conference with the u.s. capitol police for an update what happened at the capitol this afternoon. it's expected at 6:00 p.m. eastern. here is how "the washington post is reporting the story. a car chase began when an unknown driver tried to breach an unknown security barrier ended up near dupont washington with shots fired and one police officer injured. we'll have more about what happened to the capitol police at the news conference expected at 6:00 p.m. eastern time on on

c-span two. more about the government shut down on the senate floor starting with senator elizabeth warren. >> mr. president, we are now three days in to a completely unnecessary, completely avoidable republican shut. there is more talk than ever about our inability of our leaders to find common ground on central economic, and physical issues of our time. the government shutdown is throwing a major wrench in to a fragile economic recovery. nearly a million federal employees are sitting at home for no reason as other public servants are working but not earning a paycheck. cancer patients are being turned away from clinical trials a the the nih. veteran's benefits are at risk. basically nutrition services the pregnant women and new moms will be disrupted. small businesses won't be able to get federal loan guarantees. and all this is happening on top of the idiotic sequester.

drastic across-the board-spending cuts that crippled meals on wheels, and investment in medical research. we know how it got here. we heard a small minority rail against government. when i hear the latest tirades from the extremists in the house, i'm struck but how vague the complaints are. from the rhetoric, you would think they believe that any time that we the people, come together to improve our lives that the nation is committing some terrible wrong. from their rhetoric, you would think they would believe that the government that functions best is government that doesn't function at all. so far they haven't ended government. they have achieved the next best thing. shutting the government down. but behind all the slogans of the tea party and the thinly israelied call for an ark i can

in washington. behind that there's a reality. the american people don't want the extremist republicans bizarre vision of a future without government. they don't support it. why? because the american people know that without government we would no longer be a great nation with a bright future. the american people know that government matters. the an ark i can gain is quick to align government. when was the last time anyone called for regulators to go easier on companies that put lead in children's toys or food inspector to stop checking whether the meat in our grocery stores is crawling with deadly bacteria or the fda to warn whether morning sickness drugs will cause horrible deformity in babies. we never heard that. not from the political wear --

leaders in washington or the american people. whenever they the opposite happens. after the sequester kicked in republicans immediately turned around and keep the air traffic controllers on the job. now the house republicans have shut down the government holding the country hostage some cut of imaginary health care boogie man. republicans almost immediately turned around and called on us to start reopening part of our government. why do they dough this? because the boogieman government is like the boogie man under the bed. it's not real. it doesn't exist. what is real what does exist are all the specific important things that we as americans have chosen to do together through our government. in our democracy government is

not some make believe thing that an independent have an independent will have its own. in our democracy government is just how we describe the things that we the people, have already decided to do together. it's not complicated. our government has three basic functions rmt provide for the national defense put in place rules of the road like speed limits and bank regulations that are fair and transparent and build the things together that none of us can build alone. pour grid schools the things that give everyone a chance to succeed. we are a nation of innovators, entrepreneurs growing small businesses and thriving big businesses. but our people succeed our country succeeds because we have all come together to put public institutions and infrastructure

together. we all decided to pass law and put comes on the beat so no one steals your purse on main street or the pension on wall street. we all decided to invest in public education so businesses have skilled workers an a kid with an idea can create the next breakthrough company. we all decided to invest in basic science so there is a great pipeline of ideas to create our future. these achievements aren't magic. they didn't simply occur on their own or through dumb luck in each instance, we made a choice as a people to come together the food and drug administration make sures that the white pills we take are antibiotic and not baking soda. the national highway administration oversea --

joe sees -- they make sure the car seats don't collapse in a crash. and the toasters don't explode. we don't know who they are but there is no question there are americans alive today americans who are healthier americans who are stronger, because of these and countless other government efforts. alive, healthier stronger because of what we did to together. the gang at the house can osh -- on the make believe version. when the real government fails to live up to the high expectations we set forth. politicians in both parties rush outrage. why? because the american people know that government can work and believe government should work. today --

that's right. today marks the fifth anniversary of president bush signing the bank bailout in to law. that financial crisis cost us upwards of $14 trillion. that is trillion with a t. that's $120 000 for every american household. more than two years income for the average family. billions of dollars in retirement savings disappeared. millions of workers lost their jobs, and millions more families lost their homes. april 2011 after the two-year query they released a 635-paijt report that made that plain that regulators could have and should have used their existing tools to present the crisis. republicans and coming -- democrats and bipartisan group.

government matters. the attack on government are abstract. but the consequence of the shut down are real. less accountability for cheaters and rule breakers. less opportunity for our children. cracks in the foundations that businesses need to succeed. a tilting playing field that limits opportunities for all of our people. we know the government doesn't always work. we know that know institution is infallible. people make mistakes ideas fame, sometimes we get things wrong. our response isn't to give up. our response is to sit back and say i told you so. we're not a nation of quitters. our response, the american response is to fix it! to make government work better. a democrat is an experiment and it's always evolving. we constantly redesign and

reimagine and improve what we do together. but time and time again throughout our history we have -- that government matters. and right now right at this moment, if you look closely you'll see we are reaffirming it once again. hostage tactics. threats to turn off the government. threats to default on the debt, threats to tank the economy. to force their views on everyone else. it's not an accident that the faction is doing in its power to make government appear dysfunction nam.

in a -- democracy these hostage tactics are the last resort for those who can't win their fight through election and congress can't win their fights through the presidency and can't win their fights in court. but these threats are not working. they will never work because this is a democracy. it and for more than 200 years our democracy has defeated extremists and rejected the idea the government doesn't matter. so, mr. president to those who have forced us to the brink to those rail against a make believe government, to those who seem to rejoice in an an have left them disqebted from the experiences of the american people, it is time to hear a

simple message. you can do your best to make government look like it does at work when you stop it from working. you can do your best to make government look paralyzed when you paralyze it. you can do your best to make government look incompetent through your incompetence and ineffective through your ineffectivenesses. but sooner or later, the government will reopen. because this is a democracy and this democracy has already rejected your view. we have already chosen to do these things together. because we all know that we are stronger when we come together. when this government reopens when our markets are safe again, when our scientist can return to their research. when our small businesses can borrow. when our veterans can be respected for their service.

when our flu shots resume and our head start programs get back to teaching our kids we will have rejected your views once again. we are not a country of anarchists. we are not a country of pes mists and idealings -- we're not a country that tolerates dangerous drugs unsafe need dirty air or toxic mortgages. we're not that nation. we have never been that nation and we will never be that nation. today a political minority in the house that condemns government and begged for this shut down has had its day. but like all the reckless and extremist factions that have come before it their day will pass and our democracy will return to the important work that we have already chosen to

do together. thank you. i suggest we the absence of a quorum. the clerk will call the roll. >> madam president senator from tennessee. i would like to ask anonymous consent to negotiate the quorum. >> i didn't expect to come down here and speak. i was checking on a vote which i understand has been postponed. i want to say this it appears to me that the cr discussion and the debt ceiling discussion are going to be combined maybe in to one effort, and i just want to say that i think that is a great opportunity for all of us. i was down here yesterday talking about the same. typically when we have dealt with issues like this what we've tried to do together is figure out a way of strengthening our country that lessen the amount of deficit we

have in the future. that's typically what debates like this have been about. and so i think the realization that people have right now that we could well try to deal with the cr and the debt ceiling at the same time could move us back in to the kind of constructive conversation we've had for so long around manhattan story spending reform, figuring out a way to keep spending reductions where they are. but build upon them. but do it in a way that is more sensible than what we've done in the past. i was beginning to worry and i'll stop in a minute. it looks like the senior senator -- >> would my friend from e tennessee yield for a question. >> i would be tremendously honored. >> have you seen the polls of the american public opinion about what we're doing here? we had a chance to see that? >> i don't pay as much attention to poll possibly as i should. my understanding in listening to the senior senator from arizona is not particularly favorable.

>> to all of us. >> to all of us. >> no i didn't mean individuals. >> yeah. i mean to both sides of the aisle and they don't understand, isn't it true why we haven't been able to come to some conclusion. as a senator from tennessee just said, we now are going have this merged in to the debt limit; right? ? the senator from tennessee has an extensive background in finances, isn't it true that the markets would react in a -- the world markets would react in a very very severe fashion if we allow the debt limit to expire? >> why i think everyone understands that that is a very problematic for market to actually beginning to see volatility now that we haven't seen in the past, and i would like to respond if i could a little more fully to say i think we have an opportunity. look, we've been in a place that i think people have known --

we've known exactly where the discussions in the past were going to lead. that's to a fox canyon. i think the fact we vented up in a place where these two things may merge and i know the senator from the senior senator from arizona has been involved in multiple conversations about this. i think we've got an opportunity now begin talking again about those things that strengthen our nation, and looking at some reforms. not to do so in a chicken way. in a way where you've got two cars heading at each other. but to use it like previous debt ceilings have been used in the past where adults sit down, they look at the problems our nation is facing, and we do some things that candidly and in a bipartisan way people have been trying to do for a long time. i want to mention one more time i know i did it yesterday, and i know the senior senator from arizona and myself have spent a lot of time together on this

issue. but the president and his budget in april put forth mandatory reforms. many of those are pretty good. i would like to make them better but they're a pretty good start. we have a few days a week two weeks here where we can sit down maybe and cobble things together that would mean that while all of those ak row monoany existed for some time. we might get back on target -- comments about the concerns there. one of the biggest issues we have around the world right now is just people look at us a -- as you were alluding to earlier unable to deal with the fiscal issues. i look at what happened. i know i it be viewed in chevre way you want to view things. i look at it as a glass being

half full. the e with have an opportunity to do some good policy, put some good policy in place topaz a cr to pass a debt ceiling. we know sooner or later the government will be functioning again. sooner or later sooner or later. sooner or later we'll address the debt ceiling because the united states is not going to -- it's going to meet the obligations. we nose are facts. we know that at some point there's going to have to be a resolution that i mean it's not going go on forever. nothing does. and so if it argues for a

solution, shouldn't we ask all parties to sit down and start discussions we've had with others on aned ad hoc basis, with people here and there and conversations here and there to start laying the ground work. i think it's important that the president of the united states rather than saying i won't negotiate with anybody under any circumstances to say i'm willing to sit down and negotiate. willing to join with all parties and find a way through. we will sooner or later. the question is not whether we will solve the issues or not. the question really is i asked my friend from tennessee how much damage is done before we solve it. right now there are people beginning to hurt all over

america, and maybe it's not so bad right now, but it's going to get worse every single day that goes by and frankly, i think we owe the american people more than that. now if somebody wants to blame me fine i'll take the blame. they want to blame the senator from tennessee, put the blame on him. on the president, on anybody. shouldn't we remember what our duties are here? >> absolutely. as a matter of fact i'm looking down to see what the date is but it seems to me that we have two weeks here where -- and to get to the senator's comments hopefully a week in other words the quicker we resolve the issues the better it is for our nation and the world. at the end of the daylet face it what we care about most is the welding of our citizens back home. we know that uncertainty creates uncertainty in the economy and

effects people's jobs. look, we're at the moment in time we have realized the cr and the debt ceiling are probably going to be linked together. they are linked together in essence. as the senior senator from arizona mentioned there's no question we're going resolve those. so what we thought do is sit downright now the president of the united, the appropriate leadership here on the house and the senate whether they're or their proxy to sit down and figure out if there are some reforms that we can put in praise to make our country stronger and get back on the right topic, which is our financial strength. i think question do that. let me just i know i'm speaking a long time. i didn't have that much coffee today. [laughter] the fact is there are no new issues. every single issue has been litigated. there's legislative language. there's scored. there's not a new issue for us

to talk with relative to putting good policy in place to move ahead. you have -- the senator from arizona has been so involved in these issues and i just couldn't agree more. i know the junior senior from arizona sitting in the back. i know, he's been incredibly responsible fiscally. i think we have an opportunity. i think the body should take advantage of it. i think the president should come to the table and take advantage of it. the leadership of the house let's do something good for our country. let do it in an appropriate amount of time. it let's put behind as a move on it. senators are back more more debates tomorrow morning at 10:30 eastern. the senate gaveled for the day a little earlier than expected after shots were fired at the capitol this afternoon. a briefing from the capitol hill police is expected at 6:00 eastern. we'll have it live on c-span2.

some tweets from lawmakers about what happened. from senator roy blunt. my staff and i are safe in d.c. we're grateful for the courage of our u.s. capitol police officers and the first responders. another one from new jersey representative frank pallone especially grateful today to the capitol police and all of those who work every day to keep us safe. a huge thank you to the u.s. capitol police officers for their hard work and selfless dedication in protecting the capitol complex each day. the back and forth about the government shut down continues today between republicans democrats and president obama. who spoke at the construction company in maryland. [applause] >> hello everybody. good to see all of you. please have a seat. [applause] all all right? [applause] let me start by recognizing

three public servants who fight every day for maryland families and business. first of all congressman chris van hole lane is here. [applause] hey chris! congressman john delay any is here [applause] and i also want to give a big thank to your bosses for being such gracious hosts. i had a chance to meet them at the white house. [applause] [cheering and applause] i know where they got their good looks from. i had a change to meet mom and their beautiful families. i'm so glad to be here. i had a chance to learn a little bit about their story.

when their parents brought them from portugal to america almost 40 years ago no one in the family spoke a word of english. but that didn't stop their father,man well and their mother from having a big dream. believing if they worked hard they could get ahead. even though they never had any schooling. maybe their daughters could go college. maybe in a america they could make it if you try. that's what they believe. they started their own construction company with a pickup truck and a wheelbarrow. when they turned 14 they began to help cleaning tools translating documents, then became the first in their family to go to college. after graduation they startrd their own business and bought the family business from their

parents. so today the construction is a $60 million company with about 250 employees. [cheering and applause] i understand you're opening your fourth office at the end of this month so this story is what america is all about. you start off maybe you don't have lot. but you are willing to work hard. you put in the time and the opportunity and pass on an even better life to your family, your children, your grandchildren. then it's good news after how hard the construction industry got hit during the recession things are starting to get a little better. remember it was just five years ago that our economy was in a free fall. businesses were shedding hundreds of thousand of jobs every single month.

and the recession only cost millions of americans their jobs, their homes, their savings, everything they worked hard to build. today over the last three and a half years the businesses added 7.5 million new jobs. [applause] our housing market is healing. which means construction is improving. manufacturing is growing, the auto industry is back america is on pace to become the number one energy producer in the world this year. [applause] more small businesses have gotten loan so they can grow and hire just like they did with the help of the small business jobs act i signed three years ago. so that's part of what allows this company to grow.

[applause] we still have a long way to go. we still have a lot of work to do. especiallily to rebuild the middle class. we are making steady progress. the reason i'm here is because we can't afford to threaten the progress right now. right now hurnld of thousand of americans hard working americans suddenly aren't receiving their paychecks. right now they're worrying about missing their rent or their mortgage or even making ends meet. we can all relate to that. imagine if suddenly you weren't sure whether you were going get your next paycheck. with all the bills that might be mounting up. that's what is happening right now to hundreds of thousand of americans across the country. company like this one worry their businesses will be disrupted because obviously

particularly in an area like maryland, virginia there are a lot of federal workers you don't know how that's going impact the economy. veterans, seniors, women they're all worrying that the services they depend on will be disrupted too. and the worse part is this time it's not because of a one-in-a-lifetime recession. it's not happening because of some financial crisis. it's happening because of a reckless republican shut down in washington. [applause] >> that's right! [applause] now we have all seen the offices locked down. monuments closed, we've heard about services denied. we heard about benefits that are delayed.

but the impact of a shut down go way beyond those things you're seeing on television. those hundreds of thousand of americans, a lot of whom live around here don't know when they're going to get their next paycheck. that means stores and restaurant around here don't know if they'll have as many customers. as cro the country, you've got farmers in rural areas and small business owners who deserve a loan but they're being left in the lurch right now. they might have an application spending as we speak. there's nobody in the office to promise the loan. the sba gives a billion dollars to small businesses. a billion dollars a month goes to small businesses across the country. right now those can't be processed because there's nobody there to process them. veterans who deserve our support are getting less help. little kids who deserve a hit

start have been sent home from the safe places where nay learn and grow every single day. of course their families then have to scramble to figure out what to do. and the longer this goes on the worse it will be. and it makes no sense. the american people elected their represents to make their lives easier. not harder. and there's one way out of this reckless and damaging republican shut down. congress has to pass a budget that fund our government with no partisan strings attached. i want everybody to understand what happened. sometimes when it gets reported on, everybody kind of thinks well, you know both sides are just scrabbling. democrats and republicans are always arguing. so you know either side

behaving properly. everybody understand what happened here. the republicans pass a temporary budget for two months at the funding level as we as democrats think is too low. we're not providing help for more small businesses doing more for early childhood agency. doing more to build our infrastructure. while we're still trying to figure out the budget we're prepared to go ahead and take the republican budget levels they proposed. the senate passed that no not because they had no strings attached. it had little that the democrats wanted. we said let's go ahead and just make sure other people aren't involved in negotiations are taking place. so that's already passed the senate. we know there are enough

republicans and democrats to vote in the house of representatives for the same thing. so i want everybody understand this. there are enough republicans and democrats in the house of representatives today as the speaker of the house john boehner simply let the bill get on the floor for an up or down vote. every congressman could vote their conserves, the shut down would end today. the only thing keeping the government shut down is -- the only thing preventing people from going back to work is basic research starting back up the farmers and small business owners getting their lons. the only thing from preventing it from happening today right now, the next five minute. speaker john boehner won't let the bill get a yes or no vote. he doesn't want to anger the

extremists in his party. that's all. that's what the whole thing is about. we've heard a lot from congressional republicans saying nay don't want the shut down. there's a simple we to improve it. send the built to the floor, let everybody vote it will pass, send me the bill. ly sign it. the shut down will be over and we can get back to the business of governing and helping the american people. [applause] in the next half hour, national parks, monuments, offices would all reopen immediately. benefits and service would resume again. hundreds of thousand of dedicated public servants who are worrying about whether they're going be able to pay the mortgage or pay the car loan

they can start going back to work right away. my simple message today is call a vote. call a vote. put on the floor and let every individual member of congress make up their own minds. they can show the american people are you for a shut down or not? if you're not for a shut down you'll vote for the bill. if you're for a shut down you won't vote for the bill. we don't have to twist anybody's arms. but that way the the american people will be clear about who is responsible for the shut down. or alternatively more hopefully they be clear that this is something that doesn't make sense. we should go ahead and make sure we're look after the american people. it should be that simple. as i said, the problem we've got is that there's one faction of one party in one hat of one branch of government that so

far, has refused to allow the yes or no vote unless they get some massive partisan concessions in exchange for doing what they're supposed to be doing anyway. in exchange for doing what everybody else agrees is necessary. they won't agree to end the shut down until they get their way. you may think i'm exaggerating. just the other day one tea party republican called the idea of a shut down wonderful. another said is a shut down is exactly what we want. they got exactly what they wanted. now they are trying to figure out how to get out of it. just yesterday one house republican said -- i'm quoting here. i want to make sure people understand i didn't make it up. one house republican said we're not going to be disrespected. we have to get something out of

this. and i don't know what that even is. [laughter] that was a quote! we're not going disrespected. we have to get something out of this. i don't know what that even is. think about that. you have already gotten the opportunity to serve the american people. there's no higher honor than that. [applause] you've already gotn't the opportunity to help businesses like this one. workers like these. so the american people aren't in the mood to give you a goody bag to go with it. what you get is our intelligence proaflt -- professionals back on the job.

what you get is the medical researchers back on the job. what you get are little kid back in to head start. what you get are the national parks and monuments open again. what you get is the economy not stalling but continuing to grow! [applause] what you get are workers continuing to be hired! [applause] that's what you get! [applause] that's what you should be asking for! [applause] take a vote. end the shut downright now! [cheering and applause] if you're being disrespected it's because the attitude you've got. you deserve to get something for doing your job! everybody here does their job; right? you don't -- if you're working here and in the middle of the day you just

stop and said you know what? i want to get something but i don't know -- [laughter] i don't know -- exact what i'm gonna get. i'm going to shut down the whole place until i get something. [laughter] you would get fired! [cheering and applause] right? because the deal is you've already gotten hired you've got a job you're getting paycheck, and so you also are getting the pride of doing a good job and contributing to a business and looking out for your fellow workers. that's what you're getting. it shouldn't be any different for a member of congress. now unlike past shut downs, i want to make sure everybody

understands this. sometimes the tendency is to say both sides are at fault. this one has nothing to do with deficit or spending or budgets. our deficits are falling at the fastest pace in 60 years. we've cut the deficit in half since i took office. [applause] and some of the things that the republicans are asking for right now would actually add to our deficit. seriously. so this is not about spending this is not about fiscal responsibility. this whole thing is about one thing. the republican obsession with this the affordable care act and denying health insurance to millions of americans. that's all this has become about. it seems to be the only thing that units the republican party these days.

through this whole fight they've said the american people don't want obamacare, so we should shut down the government to repeal it or delay it. but here is the problem, the government is now shut down but the affordable care act is still open for business. [applause] so they're not even accomplishing when they say they want to accomplish. and, by the way, in the first duodays since the new marketplaces basically plans we set up -- the first days they open websites weren't comparing -- millions of americans made it clear they do want health insurance. [applause] more than 6 million people visited the website health care.gov the day it opened. nearly 200000 people picked up the phone and called the call center. in kentucky, alone, it's a state

i didn't win kentucky. [laughter] so you know, i know they weren't doing it for me. in kentucky nearly 11000 people applied for new insurance plans in the first two days just in one state, kentucky. many americans are finding out when they go on the website they'll save a lot of money or get health insurance for the first time. so i would think that if in fact it was going a disaster the republicans say it's going to be. it's going to be so unpopular. they wouldn't have to shut down the government. they would wait. nobody would show any interest. there would be two people on the website and you know everybody would then vote for candidate who want to repeal it. it's not as if republicans haven't had a chance to debate the health care law. it passed the house of

representatives, it passed the senate, the supreme court ruled it constitutional, you remember all of this. last november, voters rejected the presidential candidate that ran on a platform to repeal it. [applause] so the affordable care act has gone through every single democratic process. all three branches of government. it's the law of the land. it's here to stay. i've said to republican if there are specific things you think can improve the law to make it even better for people as opposed to gutting it and leaving 25 million people without health insurance i'm happy to talk to you about that. but a republican shut down won't change the fact that millions of people need health insurance and that the affordable care act is being implemented. the shut down does not change that. all the shut down is doing is making it harder for ordinary

americans to get by. and harder for businesses to create jobs at the time when our economy is just starting to gain traction again. you've heard republicans say that obamacare will hurt the economy, but the economy has been growing and creating jobs. the single greatest threat to our economy and businesses like this one is not the affordable care act, it's the unwillingness of republicans in congress to stop refighting a settled election or making the demands that have nothing to do with a budget. they need move on to the twawm business of governing. that's what will help the economy! [applause] that is what will grow the economy. that's what will put people back too work. [applause] [applause] and more than that, house republicans need to stop careening from one crisis to another in everything they do. have you noticed that? since they've taken over the

house of representatives, we had one of these crises every three months. have you noticed? and you keep thinking, all right, it's going to be the last one. they're not going to do this again then they do it again! i know you're tired of it. i'm tired of it. it doesn't mean they're wrong on every single issue. i've said i'm happy to negotiate with you on anything. i don't think any one party has a monopoly on wisdom, but you don't negotiate by putting a gun 0 to the other person's head. or worse yet by putting a gun to the american peoples' head by threatening a shut down. and, by the way, even after congress reopens your government, it's going have to turn around very quickly and do something else. that's pay america's bills.

i want to spend a little time on this. it's called -- it's something called raising the debt ceiling. and it's got a lot of these names. a lot of people end up thinking i don't know i -- i don't think we should raise our debt ceiling. it sounds like we're raising our debt. that's not what this is about. it doesn't cost taxpayers a single dime. it doesn't grow the deficit by a single dpiem. it doesn't allow anybody to spend any new money whatsoever. it's not something that raises our debt. what it does is allow the u.s. treasury, the u.s. government to pay the bills that congress has already racked up. i want you to think about this: if you go a restaurant and you order a meal you eat it maybe you have some wine. maybe you have two glasses of wine! a great meal. then you look at the tab and it's pretty expensive and you decide i'm not going pay the

bill. well, you're not saving money. you're not being frugal, you're just a deadbeat. [laughter] right? if you buy a house and you decide this month i'd rather go on vacation somewhere i'm not going to pay my mortgage, you didn't just save yourself some money you're going to get ford motor foreclosed on. you don't save money by not paying your bills, you don't reduce your debt by not paying your bills. all you're doing is making yourself unreliable and hurting your credit rating. and you'll start getting those phone calls and those notices in the mail. and the next time you try to borrow, somebody is going to say no you don't pay your bills. you're a dead beat. the same is true for countries. the only thing that the debt

ceiling does is to let the u.s. treasury pay for what congress has already bought. that's why some things that have been routine. traditionally it's not a big deal. congress has raised it 45 times since ronald reagan took office. it's a routine part of keeping the government running. the last time the house republicans flirted with not raising the debt ceil, with -- back in 2007 our economy took a bad hit. our country's credit rating was downgraded for the first time. just like you would be downgraded if you didn't pay your mortgage. this time they are threatening to actually force the united states to default on its obligations for the very first time in history. now you'll hear john boehner and mitch mcconnell and others say

we don't want to default, but everybody knows it's written on the papers their basic theory is okay if the shut down doesn't work then we are going try to get some extra concession out of the president. we'll put a long laundry list all the things we want but can't get passed. if we don't get it we'll tell him we don't get we won't vote to let the country pay the bills. we'll let the country default. i'm not making this un. it's common knowledge. every reporter here knows it. i want you to understand the consequences of this. as reckless as the government shut down is. as many people are being hurt bay government shut down an economic shut down that results from default would be dramatically worse. in a government shut down

social security checks still go out on time. in an economic shut down if we don't raise the debt ceiling, they don't go out on time. in a government shut down, disability benefits arrive on time. in an economic shut down they don't. in a government shut down millions of americans not just federal workers, everybody faces real economic hardship. in an economic shut down only pensions and home values and rising interest rates on things like mortgages and student loans. automatic of those things risk putting us back to a bad recession which will affect this country and those workers and all of you. that's not my analysis, that is every economist out in is saying the same thing.

we've never done it before. the united states is a center of world economy. if we screw up everybody gets screwed pickup truck whole world will have problems. which is why generally nobody has never threatened not to pay our bills. it would be the height of irresponsibility. that's why i said it before there will be no negotiations over this. the american people are not pawns in some political game. [applause] you don't get to demand some ran some exchange for coping government open. you don't need to get it for keeping the economy running. you don't get to demand ransom for doing your most basic job. in the sooner the republicans in congress heed the warning not

just of me or democrats likes chris. these are the warnings of the chamber of commerce and ceos and economists and a lot of republicans outside of congress. they're all saying do not do this. they're all saying to congress do your job! and the sooner you do your job the less damage you'll do our economy and the businesses like this one. so pass a budget end the government shut down, pay our bills prevent an economic shut down. just vote! end this shut down and you should do it today so we can get back to growing this economy creating jobs and strengthening our middle class! let me close by hearing a story i heard as i was getting ready to come here today. many of you already know it two years ago a mulch factory next

to this main equipment storage facility caught fire. most of the companies' equipment was destroyed causing millions of dollars in damage. but even while the fire was still burning dozen of employees rushed over the to facility and tried to save as much as they could. some of you were probably there. when they finished cutting firelines and spraying down the perimeter of their own property, they went over to help their neighbors. gast wards even big financial hit they paid everyone overtime. along with each check they included a personalized note saying how much they appreciated the efforts of the workers. everybody said the biggest asset

to a business is employees. some people mean it some people don't. we actually do. this company right here is full of folks who do right by each other. they don't try to see if they can work every angle. they don't try to undermine each other. they understand they are supposed to be on the same team. you pitch in you look out for one another, when somebody gets knocked down you help them back up. you don't ask what can you get out of this? because you know the success doesn't dispend on one of you. it depends on all of you working together. women, america is no different. i see that same spirit in so many cities and towns all across the country. it's alive and well. all across the country. it's alive and well in this

community. restaurants and businesses are ramlying around -- rallying around the regulars and looking out for the dedicated public services being furloughed. the restaurants say while you're on furlough come out. we'll give you burger and a meal. we'll help you out. that's the american ideal. we're working together. looking out for one another. meeting our responsibilities doing our jobs. thinking about future generations. that's why i believe ultimately reason and common sense will prevail. that spirit at some point will infiltrate washington as well. i think the american people are so good and decent they're going to get better behavior from their government than this.

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♪ ♪ >> we have a facebook pull on the shut down. the question who do you think is responsible for the current fiscal stalemate? we've heard from more than 10,000 of you. you can add your voice at facebook.com/c-span. kentucky senator rand paul invited members to bipartisan coffee. he said it wasn't to negotiate the end of the shutdown but a way for senators to connect. he was joined by fellow

republican senators john barrasso susan collins johnny isaacson and tom carper as well as a few house republicans. >> hilboldt conversations [inaudible conversations] senators have also been tweeting about the shutdown. carl levin said the senate has voted three times to open the government. it's time for the house to bring to a vote.

>> today marks the third day of the republican government shutdown. it could be over in hours if the republicans would just take yes for an answer. yesterday afternoon 100 members of congress and others who backed up what we were doing stood on the steps of the capitol and spoke out to the speaker telling him to allow a

vote on what means nothing to the american people to allow a vote to keep the government open. on two separate occasions yesterday on the floor he proposed the motion to keep the government open by accepting the senate bill. i remind you let the senate bill contained is the number 96 is the number the house republicans opposed. i am on both occasions, every democrat voted to keep the government opened, swallowing the 986 even though it was a figure that we have mostly opposed but not when the issue is are you going to shut the government down. last night following a meeting at the white house, the leader and i proposed again to the

speaker and to accept his number of 96 and ask him to bring up a vote. one by one of republican members are saying they are willing to reopen the government by voting for this 986 number. now enough of them have spoken that if they brought the bill to the floor it would pass strongly supported by the democrats with the enough republican votes to be sent to the president to be the wall of the land and the government would be open in a matter of hours. instead of the republicans are taking the piecemeal approach funding the government that it has nothing -- it is really a gimmick and we are not buying the gimmick. they cannot cherry pick a way out of their own manufactured crisis. the games have to stop. this isn't just about this

particular. when you check the rest of the appropriations board you get forged as appropriators where you have served. you can't cherry pick because the legislation has won. the labor of hhs for example we call it lamb eat lamb. it's nothing that you would want to cut in order to be for something else. there is a one nice to it. if you pick up one piece of it and say this is what we are going to support you are upsetting to balance what is in the bill. i am speaking now has an appropriate your. it is an irresponsible approach. i am concerned now that the republicans are trying to buy time in order to tie the shutdown of the government to

the faltering on the full faith and credit of the united states of america. and that is really that would be cataclysmic, it would be dangerous to our economy. i was so proud of the president last night because he was very clear about not negotiating on the full faith and credit of the united states of america. what i suggested again last night is let's just take it off the table. democratic president republican congress, democratic congress republican president let's take it off the table. surely people have talked in the context of fiscal responsibility about suggestions they may have. but we have never defaulted on this whole faith and credit of the united states of america. and of course this is all about the affordable care act that

they want to overturn furlough, what ever it is and the fact is they have no connection to each other and they should not be connected. but in addition to say in let's take the full faith and credit of the united states of america off the table as a threat or leverage or anything else let's also remind senators that any bill that is passed in congress can be revisited. another bill can pass and a man or whatever. so if we all fought that any bill the was passed would forever be felt all that you can always improve you can always have a debate, but you shouldn't, you must not do it as a threat to the full faith and credit or whether he will keep governor open or not. i can only think that they don't have confidence in their ideas

that they would think they have to go to these extremes to have anybody listen to them. in addition to the cataclysmic affect this would have on the economy and global markets and the rest always important to note what it means to the kitchen table discussion that america's families have that would raise the interest rate on credit card market just student loans, you mean -- you name it. as i said before it would have a negative impact on the 401k. don't just take that for me. the treasury department this morning issued a report that warned that the dire consequences of taking us to the brink and perhaps over the brink the credit market could freeze the value of the dollar could plummet, interest rates could skyrocket making it harder for the families to get home loans

and also for the businesses to invest and hire in addition to what i said earlier. in 2011, the americans saw the impact of the last debt crisis. a lower consumer confidence, the borrowing stock markets and slowing the growth. and that was just a discussion that we had our credit rating downgraded. in 2013 this is a self-inflicted wound that we should avoid. i reference this slightly because it is that time of the year. fight years ago today, president bush signed the tarp legislation from that the members of congress said this is an extremely difficult to vote as i said to you before we saw this as a meltdown of our financial institutions because of the

policies, the failed economic policies in the bush administration. president bush and his administration and secretary of treasury came to us with their suggested solution. we amended it, but we didn't like it. yet it was the democrats that saved the day and supported president bush. republicans to this day haven't produced a 100 votes they promised for that bill. >> what we are here for is we have our differences. we have our discussion, but this is about the united states of america. the least of the republican colleagues could do is vote to keep the government open as we supported president bush when the economy was in such danger. we were ready to reach across the aisle and this was a big concession to go from 986.

a big concession. we heard this from a significant railing against and yet in order to keep the government we would extend the hand of friendship to our colleagues and say we will accept your number and let's go to the table from discussion. this is all full in terms of the government being closed but now we are in the third day of the implementation of the affordable care act and the dream come true and they can fully realize the promise of the founders of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and healthy life, the liberty to pursue their happiness. it's interesting and i am excited that in the first two

days in the federal government-run health insurance market place that means california don't count new york, don't count places that had a state run exchanges in the marketplace. in the federal government-run health insurance market places, 7 million people visited health care dhaka of. more than to hundred 95,000 people called health care hot line and 167,000 chaffetz were requested on -- chats were requested on healthcare.gov. with some other states that have their own exchanges. the overwhelming and the ongoing response shows that no matter how hard some try to stop, the affordable health care is up and running and americans will keep gaining access to the quality affordable health care and we will continue to take pride and

adding a pillar of the economic and health security to the society. social security medicare affordable health care, the affordable care act. we are very proud -- it was intentional. the republicans want to shut down to dim the light on the affordable care act with the act is the enthusiasm for something so important to the american people. with that i would be pleased to take any questions to get >> back in the mid nineties, president clinton and the congress were able to do things in the government shut down. why is their opposition from the democrats now proposed to the 1995? >> the was a different story. we were doing appropriations bills then. and if we go to the table and you know open up government we can go to new appropriations

bills. wasn't a question of saying we are going to take this piece. but to have the health and human services bill we are taking the national institutes of health. we have the veterans bill which we passed in june with many more billions of dollars in the bill. and now they are taking a piece of it. this piecemeal well it is irresponsible and it is harmful. and we had passed already before you went into the shut down for some of the appropriations bills already in the middle nineties. but this isn't -- this is a different approach. it's totally unacceptable. and it's not going to get us to the table. and while i should say it is keeping the government shut down. >> it doesn't make it difficult to explain to the public isn't

it pretty bad for the democrats and getting worse if the republicans keep having these approaches -- >> we have to do the right thing. the right thing is to open government and then have any discussion you want. you want to cut over $4 billion in veterans benefits then let's have that discussion and demanded the appropriations bill to do that. i don't think that that's what the american people want. but they don't want to go to the table because they don't want the public to see in its totality the disasters that the budget is. and that's why there is as i say, cherry picking and we are not going to support that because it is wrong and i support harry reid for holding the caucus together as we have held hours but his is 100 percent and i think that's great and i think the president

for his strength on this. yes, ma'am. >> yesterday you began to circulate a letter calling for the clean cr. i was wondering if you were facilitating that letter to the republicans as well as democrats. >> [inaudible] >> they are welcome to sign-on. that's for sure. but, you see on the floor of the house the republicans said no to their own number. as a democrat voted to open government accepting the republican member and other republicans said no to their own number. but enough of them are coming forward now you see one at a time. they haven't abandoned the leadership by voting on the floor but i think that they are making their voices heard that they would like to support the bill should it be brought to the floor.

>> can you explain how you were in that meeting for almost an hour and a half and apparently no progress how is that even possible? >> i don't know how you are characterizing the meeting but i do not see it as a meeting that did not make progress. i see it as a meeting where progress is made where you don't waste your time skirting the issues. i think that we had a great clarity with the president and i am always proud of them as you know. but he was very clear about our constitution and the role of congress and the role of the president and how we have to respect each person's responsibility. and we all believe that it's a response to the body of congress to pay our rell. that is where the legislation comes from to pass legislation that would keep the government

opened. let's take full faith and credit of the table. i made that point and also if you want to debate the affordable care act coming debate in the congress but not to say we are shutting down government unless you overturn it or whatever else. so, i always find that the meetings are productive when the air is cleared and when people make very clear what they are willing to do. and i didn't leave their thinking that there was a possibility. maybe i'm always optimistic. but we all have to do everything we can to try to find a common ground to open the government and again to raise the debt ceiling.

if i had told you a week ago that we could help the republicans pass the bill on the floor, i would be giving it with far fewer democrats and i can now but i say we must accept their number because so many people went out of work. republicans like this big thing about how the support of veterans while they are cutting billions of dollars in the amendment that they had on the floor. do you know almost 600,000 veterans at work in the federal government many of them intelligent in defense and really across-the-board. 600,000 people of the 2.1 million person work force. more than a quarter of the people who were without work and pay our veterans. we help the families supporting

the veterans. i support them and their families and where they are now. and where they are now. so, i think that this piecemeal affect that you are asking about the past $6.2 billion from the department of veterans affairs this when you ask are your members -- know they are not getting nervous about voting for something that cuts $6.2 billion from veterans affairs we just have to get the message out and i am counting on you to do that. but i think that we could stipulate to a certain fact that could have been hazy and we have a good well among us and that is always useful but i'm very proud of the president so i think it was a very useful meeting. how long was it? there's a bipartisan group that

would include a company with repeal of the medical device tax accompanying and supporting that. do you think that by changing it from accompanying it wouldn't violate the principle which is laid out in obamacare you think it is possible? that is really the more significant part of the proposal is. it's to have conversations and a bipartisan way and that is what we came here to do and that is the whole sum. i don't think -- again as it was said before if you want to have a discussion about medical device tax or anything else over here, fine but do not tie it to

shutting down the government. it shouldn't be there. but i completely respect the people who are trying very hard to find common ground because just to get to your point about what might come all these conversations you'll learn from them and they advanced the cause. ..

i don't know who the republicans are because i haven't gotten a report as to who was here yesterday. >> even though these are two distinct issues partly because of the calendar and the dire situation but from a tactical standpoint doesn't actually help solve both row bombs if they are melded together? we have to get the government open. we can't load the debt ceiling and we have to solve both of these issues and that helps when you get them in the a room together. >> first of all it isn't because of the calendar. it's intentional. >> we are leaving this to go live outside the capitol for a press conference on what happened today there. a woman tried to breach the white house security barrier and led the police on a brief car chase was shot and killed outside of the capital. we are expecting this briefing

from the capitol hill police and the fbi. >> good evening. i am from united states secret service. i want to talk about the incident today. at about 1412 hours today a black infiniti sedan with temporary security fencing and one of our uniformed division officers at an outer permit or checkpoint at the white house at 15th st. and e street northwest. the vehicle then sped east on pennsylvania avenue. there were multiple crime scenes as a result of the vehicle fleeing. there were multiple shots fired at several different locations. this case is under investigation by the metropolitan police department with assistance from u.s. capital police secret service and the federal bureau of investigation. that is all i have but i will take a few questions.

>> could it have been an accident whether she didn't know where she was going? >> is under investigation but an authorized vehicle attempted to gain access at an outer perimeter checkpoint. this is an out of print or checkpoint of the white house. dionne that checkpoint there are multiple other checkpoints that someone would have to go through but there is this unauthorized vehicle that approached the check point. our officers acted appropriately. the vehicle then fled and in fleeing struck one of our officers at the initial scene. [inaudible] >> i'll think that is being released at this point. >> can terrorism be ruled out? >> that's also under investigation but uniformed investigators and capital police >> there were no shots fired at the white house. these other locations are where

shots were fired and again it's all under investigation. i will let the chief of the capital police talk about that. i will turn it over -- ed donovan from secret service. >> good evening. chief of the united states capital police. you have heard the puller eliminate information regarding what happened at the white house subsequent to that our offices offices -- officers attempted to make a stop at garfield circle. the vehicle eluded them and continued behind us on first constitutional avenue. it appears our officer in an attempt to pursue the vehicle struck the barricade. ultimately the vehicle stopped at second in maryland northeast where we were able to capture the suspect. >> do you have the status of the

officer? >> i personally spoke with the officer and he is doing well. he is a 23 year veteran of the united states capitol police and he is doing very well. thank you for asking. he is going to be fine. >> how was he injured? >> i don't have the specific injuries. his vehicle apparently struck the barricade behind us. it appears all around the capitol the security work exceptionally well. we did have a brief lockdown of the capitol and we were able to kind of lock things down and clear the offense extremely quickly keeping everybody safe notifying everybody of what was going on and we actually cleared the scene rather quickly. as you know we had a briefing within the hour about was going on. we obviously are investigating the incident. we meaning multiple law

enforcement agencies and this appears to be an isolated singular matter with at this point no nexus to terrorism. pardon me? >> how can you rule out terrorism? >> from the circumstances we have so far it appears there is no relationship. >> somali descent. >> we are actually not talking about the suspect at this point. >> where were the plates from? >> we are not giving out any information. >> how did she get past the first barricade? >> what was the motive? >> my understanding is there was a 1-year-old child in the car. i believe one of our officers initially rescued the child and took the child to initial medical care in the vicinity here and the child was taken to

the hospital. [inaudible] >> pardon me? >> the barricades that she came through were those barricades up or did she go through them? >> our officers are still investigating that. let me turn it over to the chief from the metropolitan police. [inaudible] >> i do not have that information. >> let me try and answer a couple questions real quick. i will tell you upfront. [inaudible] there is some video that has been released. a small part of this incident things that were not captured on video before and afterward obviously. as of right now we do know that there were shots fired in at least two locations during this pursuit. 15th and e down to the 100

block of maryland avenue so it'd involve the united states secret service and the united states capitol police. right now though the suspect in the vehicle we do know was struck by gunfire and at this point has been pronounced so the suspect has been pronounced at this point. the child is approximately 1-year-old man is in good condition and in protective custody. right now it is all preliminary. we don't know which officers fired how many rounds were fired. i will say the white house and the capitol the security perimeters work. they did exactly what they were supposed to do and they stopped a suspect from breaching the security perimeters both in a vehicle at both locations. i would say that both of the united states secret service and capitol police officers what i have seen so far in this investigation acted heroically trying to stop the suspect from entering the security perimeters

at both locations. we have to officers that are injured one from capitol and one from secret service. fortunately both of them will be okay but two officers injured just doing their job. i will take a few questions but i'm not going to answer any questions about the investigation as it pertains to evidence or as it pertains to the suspect at this point. the suspect the last gunfire was in the 100 block of maryland avenue and the suspect was pronounced sometime later. [inaudible] >> all the information we have right now is this does not appear to be in any way an accident. this was a lengthy pursuit. they were multiple vehicles that were rammed and there were officers that were struck and two security perimeters that were attempted to be breached so it doesn't appear in any way that this was an accident. [inaudible] >> we don't know that yet. i'm sorry? we are not going to release any information about the suspect or anybody else.

we will make an investigation before re-release that information. we are not going to comment on any investigation regarding evidence at this point. [inaudible] >> where was the car going? >> i can tell you there were two places where shots were fired that we are aware of at this point. the pursuit started at 15th and e street came down pennsylvania avenue at some point garfield circle and shots were fired after the suspect vehicle ran into a secret service vehicle and then the vehicle then continued on first street to constitution avenue of constitution around the barriers and then on to the 100 block of maryland avenue where the vehicle crashed and additional shots were fired there. we are not sure yet exactly. there was contact with the bears

by at least one vehicle and we don't know if there were other vehicles but we know the barriers to go up in at least one vehicle struck the barriers. we don't know that yet until we finish the reconstruction. >> was gunfire exchanged? >> right now the preliminary information is that both agencies had police officers that fired. >> who is leading the investigation? >> the metropolitan police will be investigating this case. i can't comment on that at this point. i will take one more question. [inaudible] >> crash in the 100 block of maryland avenue and at that point close to the security booth. the security officers in the capitol and there was another round of gunfire. >> how can terrorism be ruled out if it's still preliminary? >> all we are giving you now are the facts that we know of what has happened. we are not ruling out anything right now. i'm pretty confident this is not

an accident. >> what i said was it doesn't appear to be and i want to reiterate the heroic work of the united states police offers at local -- multiple locations. our officers kept the perimeter secure and responded quickly and heroically and locks the scenes down. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> we will continue to bring you any updates as what happens continue to unfold. tweets from monitors. new mexico senator martin heinrich pleading on behalf of everyone in my office i want to thank the capitol police and first responders for their risks they take every day to keep us safe. house majority eric cantor each and every day all of us benefit from the capitol police the sergeant at arms dedication to our safety. the last one from hawaii

congresswoman tulsi gabbard the u.s. capital police and the law enforcement today acted quickly to ensure the safety of all visitors, staffers and members of congress. house republican leaders spoke with reporters about how spending bill that would extend funding for cancer research at the national institutes of health. this is 15 minutes. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you everyone for being here this morning. you know when the president and the senate shutdown the government tuesday morning i don't think they realized the impact on things like cancer trials at the nih for children with cancer. yesterday on the floor of the house we solved that problem. we passed a bill that would restore funding to make sure that children with cancer are eligible and can be enrolled in trials at the nih.

i have taken care of many children with cancer when i was in my medical practice and as a parent every parent can appreciate the seriousness of that and the need to solve those kinds of problems. that is what we did yesterday. i hope the senate does the same today. they should. we should make sure that every child each and every one who has cancer will be taking care of by the world's best at the nih. >> we are three days into this government shutdown and every day the republicans have been working to get the government opened. last night we took action and pass legislation to fund the nih. this is important legislation and they remind people in the mid-to late 1990s republicans and democrats came together and doubled the funding for research at nih recognizing how important

it is that we call upon democrats to join us now. let's start finding that common ground where we can start moving forward. that is where it's going to start in the make in the making of a larger conversation. and i h. whether it's pediatric cancer research whether it's diabetes so many other cures and treatments that are being developed, we don't want to put them on hold. we want america to continue to be the leader and i'm one of those parents it has a son that has down syndrome and i've learned so much about the cutting-edge research and the potential for breakthroughs that are on the verge of discovering. let's find the common ground and move forward. let's get this dialog going, the dialogue we need to have with the democrats in the senate over this as well as the larger issues related to spending our economy in and the future of america. >> thank you. i'm going to put this in more personal terms. certainly yesterday we voted

successfully to continue to fund the nih and over 40 years ago i've been in medical practice for 30 years and over 40 years ago as a freshman medical student at saint jude's children's hospital. that hospital opened with a 4% survival rate of leukemia. i remember going in that hospital as a student and realizing almost 9% of those kids i would see would die. today 90% of them live. let me put it in very personal terms. mind medical partner in practice had a sign and his in labor having their second child. his child had a seizure. the child had childhood cancer with metastatic tumor to his brain that had over 95% -- 12 years ago in 95% chance of dying. that young man will graduate from high school this spring. it is those miracles you see over and over. if you are a parent and i have

delivered almost 5000 babies. if your child has a condition that is one in a million if your child -- 100%. i have looked at those tiers and we need to fund the nih. they don't need to miss a day because there are parents out here across the nation depending on us to make sure right now they are waiting on a phonecall and can my child get into research facility today? i am proud of our side who did this yesterday and we want the senate democrats to take us up and pass this much-needed legislation. >> thank you. renée l. marsh from north carolina second district. before coming to washington being a nurse i had seen these families. i have seen the looks on their faces when they are given hope. we have taken that hope away and we need to replace it. i say to harry reid in the

senate bring this up for a vote. don't take hope away from us families. don't take hope away from those moms where i can as doctorow has pointed out they are waiting on that vital information. if you are a family going to the nih for care it's because you were in a critical situation. you are looking for that last bit of hope and you are looking for that treatment that will save your child's life. childhood pediatric cancer being one of those issues if you have ever seen a look on a parent's face when they are told that their child has cancer and then you take their hope away the moment that they know they can fight for it they will. and we have to replace that. i say to harry reid to pleas of all the situations in washington right now and all the politics let this move forward let's get

it to their up president and replace it and give hope to those families because i will tell you senator reid he will not sleep until that happens. thank you. >> todd rokita indiana district for. i'm pleased to be joined or pleased that i'm joining these leaders in these medical professionals who have given up their practices to help solve the problems of health care in this country. i want to premise my comments on a few things that i believe when i came to congress. i believe that families faith communities associations and neighbors can take care of us better than government programs can but government should be there to help. i believe that science is a gift and that we should use our talents whenever possible to improve the condition of man.

i believe in free enterprise and the private sector as the best and most efficient way to raise our standard of living. i also believe there are times the private sector cannot reasonably be expected to do the research and development needed because the syndrome the disease might be so rare that is economically prohibitive from a return on investment. i know the story personally as my son petit suffers from extremely rare narrow genetic disorder called angelman's syndrome. teddy walks real funny. he has never had a conversation with cathy or myself and probably never will. probably will never. angelman centro -- syndrome children will get to the developmental age capacity they say of 18 months.

cathy and i are hoping for teddy is to get him to five years. not in age but in development. he is expected to have a full life. a long life. that is good because another condition of angelman's syndrome is that you are unnaturally happy nearly all the time. and what a gift but that is for all of us. without programs like nih to go in and research cures therapies for centrum's like angelman's teddy cathy and myself and all the other kids affected may not have the hope. you see as we understand that they are only 1500 cases of angelman syndrome in america.

that might change as research continues. maybe some children are misdiagnosed. we don't now. maybe there are other solutions to this. we don't know. without the help of programs that are at the nih and other private-sector programs we may never know. that is why this is so important. this is why i ask harry reid and the summit democrats and the president himself to stop this nonsense. let us help people. let us help the children, please. >> good morning. as you can see not unlike most americans my colleagues that are joining me today have been touched by disease and half as a passion to do something about medical research something that

i have been working on especially in the area of pediatric medical research for some time. while we work out our differences here in washington children should not be denied treatment. we passed a bill in the house last night that would provide the nih with the necessary funding to reopen the clinical trials that renée l. myers spoke about that would give hope to parents who may not have hope otherwise when they find their kids have cancer. i believe the senator reid must take up this legislation today for the sake of those children and their health. for five years president obama has carried and it's my way or the highway attitude and he is not reached the cross the aisle to republicans who were also elected to solve the major problems facing this country.

the president's refusal to work in a bipartisan way has led us to this shutdown. we must fix and restore the american people's faith in our economy and their trust in god and. especially before we reach our debt limit deadline in a week or so. it's time for the president and senate democrats to put partisanship aside and sit down at a table so we can work out our differences. questions? >> republicans have said that they would support a clean cr. [inaudible] >> first of all i think the speaker and i have both said that the republican position is we believe we should fund this government but we also believe

that there should not be any special treatment for anyone. that is why we believe the right solution to that is to provide for a delay of the individual mandate under the health care law. what that says is big business special interest shouldn't get special treatment exemptions under that law if working people don't get it. it in the same vein and perhaps with even more intensity no way in the world should members of congress get special treatment under the law it either. so all we have got to do is come together and we can iron out the differences. as you can see now i guarantee you there is a majority of senators and the senate on both sides of the aisle that support this funding bill to provide the relief immediately to these kids and their parents were facing these dire circumstances.

>> how are you picking and choosing what gets the funding first? >> we are going to go forward with trying to address situations that are in critical stages. as renée and others have said these parents are at a critical point. these are clinical trials that somehow have been determined not essential by the nih. this is life-savilife-savi ng stuff here. we have got other areas of the law and we will bring forward today that will try and address the critical things going on in this country. all of this though can be resolved if we can sit down and talk. that is how the american people expect them and their families to work out their differences. it's no different here. we should sit down and have a discussion but because there is an insistence on no negotiations , no talking my way or the highway, we are here.

>> the nh budget was cut about $1.2 billion last year because of sequestration. the labor bill that was being drafted by the appropriations committee cut it a number of roughly 20% about $6 billion. are you saying now that perhaps there has been a change in thinking about the role of government and how much money should be going through this agency? >> you know i have been insistent on may king is a priority funding for the nih and specifically funding for pediatric medical research. for exactly the reasons that todd rokita said. when you have somebody down and have a whole life that potentially be ahead of that child i don't think there are many things as the priority for us as human beings are this federal government to put an emphasis on. i would say again you look to see -- the democrats in this house whether they support a clean cr

with sequester or not. this assumption that everyone is operating on that somehow there is unanimity on the democratic side that they would support a cr at sequester level is an assumption that i question. again we are trying to find the things that we could agree on in, and where there is a majority vote in both houses. certainly pediatric medical research, medical research for clinical trials is something given the circumstances that i think we ought to get done and harry reid ought to take up. thank you very much. [inaudible] >> the house is continuing its move to bring bills to the floor to the florida fund certain

parts of the government who today members approved funding for the federal -- veterans department salaries for the national guard pay the house rules committee is leading 11 additional bills that include funding for lilling, women and children food and drug safety border safety head start education programs in emergency disaster. the committee will also talk about a measure to give federal workers furloughed in the ongoing shutdown their miss to pay when the government reopens. we can see the top democrat on the committee marie slaughter and also in the room the chairman pete sessions.

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> we are waiting for chairman sessions to gavel in the committee. we mentioned a few measures they will take a nap. also nuclear weapons security funding that agency. also the national emergency disaster recovery act and impact aid for local schools act.

that is here before the rules committee coming up in a couple of minutes. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> committee will come to order him to order and before you begin tonight i want to take a moment to his knowledge the

bravery of our capitol hill police who today along with the capitol sergeant of arms office helped in the detention of a woman who was threatening the white house federal officers as well as capitol hill. these men and women often go unnoticed. we see them every day. they are guarding the capitol and they are here to protect citizens as well as this institution and the members. on days like today we should take a moment to reflect on their courage and their selfless sacrifice to ensure that we are safe here in the capitol complex and i know each each and every one of us as members join our colleagues mr. hoyer and mr. cantor as they spoke for a brief moment about this today on the floor. i know that each of us give thanks in the after hours knowing that these men and women

are here to protect us and we give them our thanks. we are here tonight to consider 11 appropriations bill to keep key parts of the federal government running. i believe that this is the responsible thing to do and my colleagues do and we believe that we have got to do this until the senate decides to come to the table and negotiate with us to help and the government shutdown. two bills were passed today to fund their military preserve and veterans services. tonight we will begin to move forward on other bills to give relief to the american people during the shutdown. mostly federal government employees also. the measures before us fund functions including safety and border security and house republicans continue to listen to the american people and we are taking steps to meet the critical parts of the government running. i'm delighted this evening to

welcome back the gentleman the subcommittee chairman. as always i would allow the gentlewoman. >> what you said about the capitol police and i've been talking with him in the last three days. they do wonderful work for us. the problem is that they are not being paid. i told them that i was on the bill to get them paid retroactively. they are not paid that much money. i know you have left them out and since we govern by headline i think that's going to be a bad one because everyone knows they're not being paid. the idea of continually doing this piece at a time is ridiculous. i have had occasion today to speak to the state department. they are operating over there on fumes. i don't know why in the world we would say to the government

those people who are working they are there working. they're just not getting paid for it. this is the most appalling thing. it's almost hard to believe and it's hard to act serious about it when i'll we have to do is bring the cd up and get it voted for it. i understand from the press and what they told me directly that 21 on the other side good colleagues of ours would like to vote for a clean resolution and we have passed up three chances. they gave him three chances to do it and everybody said no. we are going to give them another one tonight because with your 20 when they are and all of us that's the majority. if the majority in the house wants to do that by george i think we have to do it. if mr. weiner wants to bring it up that's fine with me. i don't care who does it that we are going through a charade here. it doesn't make any sense to

everybody. and the tragedy today we don't all all know all the details of it yet. people are out there working and their families are worried to death about them in the police department not knowing day-to-day with they're going to run into and they are not being paid for it? we have to be so ashamed of ourselves we can't even look at each other. we have had enough time to get a statement. i have been checked with all of my colleagues that let me say this for all three of us. we are going to say that this bill should appear to the president. we are going to recommend a veto. thank you mr. chairman. >> i think the gentlewoman for her statement and i will tell you i would be embarrassed of what you said about the police officers were true but in fact, in fact we have an expert witness today from the republican leadership who has been through a partial briefing

on this and i would like to yield to the gentlewoman from north carolina. the gentlewoman is recognized. >> thank you mr. chairman. i have heard this all day today and i think it's time that weiss from -- we responded to appear the gentlewoman from new york is entitled to her own opinion but she is not entitled to create a fiction. the capitol police are considered essential personnel. they are being paid. they were paid -- they were paid on monday and they are not due to be paid again until the 16th. they are being paid because they are essential personnel. all people -- now i have the utmost respect for the capitol police and i believe they all know that. i'm extraordinarily deferential to them every single one of them. they are considered essential

personnel and they are being paid. they will be paid on the next payday. >> not until the shutdown is over. >> if the gentlewoman would allow me. >> the simple fact is -- >> if i could maybe help us out a little bit. i believe that we will have to take action to ensure on the 16th they would be paid. but i believe it is fair to say that they are considered as the gentlewoman said essential service. they are and were presently being paid. it will take i believe action further action by this committee , by the house to ensure that they would be paid. >> our central staff people are not being paid.

the people at the state department are not being paid until after the shutdown is over. we have got federal employees working every day and some in dangerous circumstances trying to keep us safe and alive in the food safety worries me half to death because i know too much about it. it's time to stop it. there is no endgame in sight here. there is no purpose for it. it simply does not make any sense unless the purpose is to piece the government together in some quilts. we will fund this over here and maybe that over there and let that go. the united states government is much too important for that and i. the police were telling me they were not being paid as. >> the gentlelady yields back or time. i would like to say probably it is not unlikely that if you ask a particular officer and a member of this organization we

may not know all the rules that are in place but it is my understanding -- they got a check. they are being paid right now and as a matter of fact one of your favorite witnesses -- one of your favorite witnesses one of the two of them and i don't know which is your favorite from virginia. i know you like them all. i said favorite. i didn't say second favorite. my point is that you are going to hear tonight how just as yesterday we said we are going to pay the nih workers and get them back to work. we are going to do the same now. [inaudible] >> i think the gentlewoman for her comments and as a matter of fact it helps keep the sun point of how much work we have yet to do and why we are here. i would like to welcome if i can the gentleman from georgia subcommittee chairman of labor,

hhs and related agencies as well as to two other distinguished members from virginia. mr. moran who had been up here perhaps last week when we got a chance to see his smiling face. the subcommittee chair the ranking member for -- i can almost read -- i guess its it's interior. that is what it is. related agencies and my dear friend the gentleman mr. wolf who is the subcommittee chair for commerce justice science and related agencies. each of you are here for a great reason. appropriations chairmen and ranking member and with that said the gentleman from georgia is recognized. >> thank you very much mr. chairman. madam ranking member. mr. wolf is senior to the --

okay the first panel then. but i am here today because we seek to get an appropriate rule on 10 different funding bills that will reopen critical sections of the government programs while congress and hopefully conference committee irons out the differences between the two bodies. this rule will allow for prompt straightforward consideration of this and it will relieve the burden of some of the unnecessary aspects of the shutdown. the bills before you provide funding for the programs that their current annual rate and the bills are h.j. res. 75 nutrition assistance for low-income women and children h.j. res. 76 nuclear weapons security and nonproliferation act. h.j. res. 77 the food and drug safety act, h.j. res. 78 preserving our intelligence capabilities ask.

h.j. res. 79 the border safety and security act calm to h.j. res. 80 the american indian and alaskan native health education and safety act, h.j. res. 82 the national weather monitoring act, h.j. res. 83 the impact day for local schools act. h.j. res. 80 for the head start are low income children act h.j. res. 85 the national emergency disaster recovery act. the funding for these bills will last until december 15 or until congress enacts a full appropriation bill and while i believe that the entire government needs to move as quickly as possible to get reopened these will put a number of high placed priority programs funded so that while the conference committee goes on in the negotiations with the white house continue these

areas would be off the table. as we all would agree funding on individual programs on a piecemeal basis is not standard and is not the preferred way of operating but let's hope we can bring us closer to a final solution and having chaired and served on a number of conference committees during my time in washington i know that often you start by getting smaller less controversial more consensus type programs done and while they may not have the heavy lift that some of the issues to getting a little momentum going is a port and for us right now. i believe as we showed last saturday night with the military paid bill that it is possible in this environment to get a little momentum going between the parties and start filling in that gap. these 10 bills here tonight served that purpose mr. chairman so i yield back.

>> thank the gentleman very much. mr. moran. if you will please make sure that is turned on and thank you very much. the gentleman is recognized. >> thank you mr. chairman and members of the committee. we have a truly bipartisan group of 156 members at last count. they have joined mr. wolf and i in supporting legislation that would ensure that all federal employees received pay for the duration of the federal government shut down regardless of their furlough status. there are 800,000 who have been sent home but nobody as you know can really get paid until the money is made available and we we have resolved this continuing resolution issue. so this does not solve our funding problems but it does provide these federal employees some peace of mind that they will get paid and the language

says they should be compensated at their standard rate of compensation for the period of such lapse in appropriations as soon as practicable after such lapse in appropriations and. its fairness is the most compelling reason for doing this. these folks didn't bring this about. they are trying to do their job. they want to do their job in coming to work every day and they have bills to meet. i am sure that all of you have heard from federal employees that perhaps frank and i hear from a disproportionate number of because we represent so many. but i think it's fair to say that every member of congress represents some and even if we didn't we still -- they really work for us. we pass the legislation and they are responsible for implementing it. today i had a woman from the irs

come in. she said they are never going to exempt the people are never going to exempt the irs. but i have to pay my mortgage and i don't know how i'm going to pay my market. i have children. i am scared and she broke down crying. there are a lot of folks that live from paycheck to paycheck. they get their paycheck and they know exactly where it goes. it means their obligations and they are determined to stay on top of their debts that they have this disruption in their lives and it causes enormous stress. i think it's really unfair anxiety that they are having to do with right now. this would at least give them some peace of mind that they are going to be compensated. i would hope that we could get this to the floor and we could have a strong vote in favor. i have talked to leadership and i trust that leadership on both

sides would agree this is the right thing to do. whatever we do and how strong we are on other issues we ought to at least agree that these folks are suffering through no fault of their own and we have to stop that suffering if we can. thank you mr. chair. >> mr. moran thank you very much. the gentleman mr. wolf is recognized. frank it's good to see you. >> ranking member slaughter and other members thank you for the opportunity. i will summarize for a quick way and i to thank chairman rodgers of the leadership for moving this bill. this has always been done in every previous administration and i also want to thank jim congressman moran for introducing the legislation. we are working in a bipartisan way to ensure that constituents are taking care of the people all over the country. day in and day out federal employees work to make the nation a better and safer place. who are the federal employees? fbi agents and the fbi talks

about some the concerns they have. dea agents u.s. marshals customs and border prison guards had traffic comptrollers doctors and nurses at the va hospital firefighters park rangers dod civilians the 12th individuals who were killed at the navy yard over two weeks ago comcast they work with the fleet. every cno and they were an important part of the fleet. d.o.t. crash investigators fda food safety inspectors nih doctors researchers working on cancer parkinson's and alzheimer's. hurricane watch posted today the people watching for the hurricane that are dealing with it are federal employees. insuring all federal employees receive their pay and the government reopens has always been done including in both the reagan and clinton administrations. thank you again mr. chairman and i yield back. >> i thank the gentleman and the gentleman yields back.

without objection it will be entered into the record. the nutritionnutritionist assistance for low-income women and children's act. this is important. nuclear weapons security and nonproliferation act. food and drug safety act. reserving our intelligence capability act. chairman mike rogers of the intelligence committee nature that i understood how important this was. the daunting facts about those that protect this country be on the job is essential. border safety and security act. chairman mccaul earlier called me. michael mccaul and said this has to be done. american indian and alaskan

native health education and safety act. critical to people who were not only our colleagues but men and women who are needing to make sure that what we do in their regard is taking care of. national weather monitoring act. i didn't even know until today that there was a hurricane headed towards our country. impact aid for local schools act head start for low income children's act. i received three calls from dallas, texas today about this specific issue. i assured them it will go before the rules committee. national emergency and disaster recovery at. and finally the federal employee richard o. at this pay fairness

act. i tend to be for these. i think they make good sense and i have had several conversations with chairman hal rogers about how we will effectively move these bills over the next few days as necessary to ensure that the review of essential items of the government -- we make sure that they are backed up with regular employees and lastly that we pay them. i want to thank each of you for being here today. i've yield back time to the general woman from north carolina. >> thank you mr. chairman. i don't really have any questions i want to ask what i want to thank our colleagues for the work they have done on bringing these bills forward and i think it's appropriate that we moved them out of the committee as soon as we can and bring them to the floor as soon as we can.

thank you very much. >> the gentleman yields back. the general woman from new york is recognized. >> thank you at your chairman. it certainly is important and we try tried to make that point before monday evening. from what i am hearing some of the agencies that -- are not too happy about it. we would like to have the whole thing funded as we all wait and i think what we are pretending we are sitting in doing something we talk with somber toms and convince yourself that we care about these agents these. everybody is told you over and over again open up the government and we can talk. we have to get that done. it's absolutely necessary. you can't do it a piece at a time. have some mercy for goodness sakes for those people who are out there working. you know something i bet we

have the biggest exodus of federal workers looking for other jobs. if the unemployment situation was better in america i know that scientists are leaving because they have had offers from all over the world. some of the best that we have got. stop this nonsense please send us put the cr on the floor. i wish we could do it tonight but tomorrow would be fine with me. get that done. we have had three chances to do it and it's starting to really bear in on people on what's going on here but nobody knows why. there is no good reason for it. thank you mr. chair. >> the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from utah is recognized. >> thank you. i appreciate you coming up here. i appreciate the bill before you. as you mentioned this was done in in the last two shutdowns for the retroactive pay. do you know if any of the other where this was not a common occurrence? are you aware of any time when this was not a common event?

therefore no one can actually complain about the cost of this because obviously this is what we would be spending had there not been a shutdown. there is no real unexpected cost or increased cost which is why i think this is a -- piece of legislation i think you are co-sponsors who are very intelligent people, all of them. and i appreciate you bringing it up and passing it. i want to say two quick things to my friends on the other side noting how powerful they are. ms. slaughter for the first time you got me mentioned in dana milbank's column. i don't know if that's a great honor. [inaudible] >> you did it. it. i am in there so i think i should thank you for. >> don't thank me. i had nothing to do with it. >> there is no power that could going to done any other way. >> i'm sure that is not so.

>> i don't know if that's a compliment either. i also have to tip my hat if i wore a hat to ms. mcgovern. on october 12 went down on the floor and we said what about the cancer drug trials and nih and that got taking care of and then he said what about the low-income mothers who have been cut off from work? that is being taken care of right now. i think we should hire you to go down and give the next speech because obviously what you say on the floor happens. i congratulate both of you there. with that i think the gentleman especially on the bill 3223 and also the lists that are good lists to take to the floor and they are good to get moved across. at some point we will realize that this thing cannot be solved by forcing someone to blank and there has to be in agreement on a path for negotiations to take place on issues of the past and

we are coming upon some other great issues including the debt ceiling, sequestration entitlement. all those things have to be part and parcel of the issue and this would be a good time to get up houses of this congress to agree on a path forward and i think then there could be major changes if they're simply an agreement on both of them getting together and moving forward so i appreciate your efforts. ..

though i think it's important keep the government going. you know as hopefully your side and the other side discuss, you know, the agreement on comprise on a long-term spending bill and hope we don't get to crisis on the debt ceiling which ruin the economy. but the reason why this approach is so problematic, even if the senate were going to go along with this it's not. we're not fixing anything. really. we all know that. but wic is needed but for poor program that's not the only thing needed. what about food banks? a lot of people rely on wic rely on food banks. cfp money for hungry senior

citizens. there's a bunch of support systems that are in place so people who are vulnerable and people who are very poor don't fall through the cracks. and over the years, over the years, you know up until recently there has been pretty much bipartisan support for strengthening those programs, but when you pick one you know and pick the other and pick which one and that one. it just doesn't work. it doesn't work. so we need a holistic solution here. and i still can't quite wrap my mind about why we can't pass a short term clean continuing resolution as you negotiate a long-term spending bill so we can keep the government going not just weeks at the time. but for the next year. i'm very nervous we're

approaching the debt ceiling vote or this deadline, and that there are some people who are playing a danger use game here they're expecting somebody to blink. we may go off the cliff. if we go off that cliff i'm going tell you our conversation is going to be very very different. our credit rating is going to go down. you're going to see lots of pain. and you're going see the world look at us as a country that is not stable. it cannot be trusted. it's not the economic leader. and so i -- i just, you know look at this point out to you if it were a serious effort, the problem with it is that it is not holistic. and it's not just good enough to say, you know, and the head start stuff even before the government shut down mr. chairman you may have gotten calls. i've gotten calls in my district

head start facilities shut down because of sequester, you know. even before all of this. i had mothers coming to see me and say i'm working two jobs and need this -- my daughter -- my son lost his head start slot. people were being adversely impacted by all of this. so we have to figure out out an alternative to sequester in the process as well. this isn't, you know, -- this is i don't know what this is. this is an excuse, i guess, to stay in. i hope we can get by this. you know, like you said i'll say it one more time. supporting these cr at sequester levels is a huge comprise for someone like me. it is huge. i hate those numbers. you know, but i'm willing to vote for that to keep the government going. and so i mean i see i'm

comprising here. i'm being told it's not enough. just to keep the government going for five or six weeks. you have other negotiation about the long-term spending bill. it's really frustrating to be here and you know i don't -- i don't need any answers. i just, you know, that's the end of my vent. i yield back my time. >> gentleman yield back his time. >> thank you mr. chairman. i want to thank my colleague for being here as well and genuinely trying to make an effort to help us get through a difficult time. a time we're awfully divided and, you know, i share the frustration my friend on the other safed of -- side of the aisle. i think we ought to be negotiating now. i think we ought to be without preconditions and sit down and specify the conditions ahead of time. that will be sorted out in the

next few days hopefully. i particularly want to thank my friend mr. wolf because it's important that we see an example of bipartisanship in the extremely polarized time. bipartisan commitment to make sure people who are out of work through no fault of their own you know, have some assurance at the end of the day whatever that is. i hope it's sooner rather than later they're going to be meat whole. it's been pointed out. i agree you don't know you are living paycheck to paycheck. it helps to be made whole. it could be a challenging time in that interim for you. question have to got to try to address the bigger problems as quick lz as we can. the manner you have gone about trying to address a real problem in a bipartisan way and offer reassurance to people says a lot about both of you. it also sets an camp for the rest of us we can follow as we

work through the problem. again, i want to thank my friends for maybe creating a crack in the stalemated, to speak, we can get the others done in the days and weeks ahead. >> chairman yield back. >> thank you colleagues, who have come to present and like my good friend from oklahoma, i esspecially want to thank mr. wilson mr. moran. i had spoken earlier with mr. moran and signed on to the legislation. and will vote tomorrow for the federal employee retroactive pay fairness act. in the meantime, all -- even though people are as sure as we pass this and if it goes to senate and becomes law they

will be paid. as we speak, the figure that has been continuously put forward here inside is that 800000 federal employees around the united states of america are furloughed at this time. some people, when they're furloughed begin looking as my good friend and rehabbing member, said for other employment. some people when they're furloughed and don't understand all of the dynamics that we do hered in the beltway -- some of them who will get drunk and get in accident. some may committed is. it's not uncommon at all for

people that are thrurs in to uncertainty. some may commit violent acts anywhere around the country furlough the arguments inside family about money. when i was stake court judge, i was asked once what was the leading call the of divorce? my little ministudy and hurpd of divorces i saw allowed that money was number one. most people thought the primary reason was children. inside some of those furloughs are persons -- i might add that's 800000

federal employees, but there other businesses. we hear it every day that are furloughing employees. why are they doing it? they are doing it first for the purpose of their bottom line. what they see and say is they have to furlough their people because there isn't as much demand. that make the black hawk helicopter. furloughing a significant number of people. it adds to the furlough business for my friends in florida i learned today that come friday 104 head start centers will be closed. you can pass this measure

tomorrow as i suspect you will. i will vote against it. the so-called head start for low-income children act. not because i have not spent pretty much my entire career, as have many of you, advocating for our children ages three and up to have early childhood school experiences. as many of them come from homes where they don't have the resources as most of us do to provide the kind of education that the children need. they're our future too. and they may very well not be able to compete with share competitors for the reason we are doing short sighting things like that. so of that 104 215 people will be furloughed friday from head start in the state of florida. and assume for the moment now

maybe i've touched on at least more than a million and probably as much as 2 million people around the country that are without their checks for the moment. that said how does that impact, as i pointed out, about -- [inaudible] how does that impact macdonald? the person that goes to work and in montana that is federal employee and a federal building around the corner from mcdonald, around the corner from the flower shop where they may take flower home to their loved ones or whatever. those places are losing business. every minute we commitment ourself to the reckless and feckless undertaking that you are perpetrating on society. my friends here get bored or not only when i talk but that when i bring up that we grew up with a

tremendous radio program for children. was called "let's pretended ." i can't tell you the number of saturdays my grandmother would let me get away from my chores and lay on the rug we had in the living room and listen to radio program "lets pretended ." little did i know that 60 plus years later i would be in a body where "let pretended" come to real life. oh no. none of this is going become law. t sad for us to go through this experience. mr. chairman you said earlier at the outset of the hearing the query by miss florida on the discussion that we were going to pay them now we ain't paying

nobody now. tomorrow you pass the stuff and nobody is going to get paid then. and that's for the reason that first the senator is not going to take anything that is piecemeal. if you're -- if you're satisfying yourself by believing that the american people are not watching and do not understand i think you're making a mistake. we should go wack to regular order in the institution. i think everybody knows that. that regular order would allow for us to not do as you have. i compliment you for having passed all five of the appropriations measure. and they didn't go any place in the senate. and i join you in criticizing all of those in the other body if any were responsible for that. but i would have preferred. i've been here a couple of times when comings and republicans

center managed to proceed through the appropriations process and allow for the moip to have the input that would be helpful. i hope mr. chairman, that i have not seen the rule nor have i spoken with anyone concerning what the rule would look like other than as it pertains to the agenda that is put forward here this evening. yesterday or the day before, i'm lost in time now i know you put forward a put down of the previous question. my ranking member raised the question about it. i took it upon myself to dot adding research. the previous question has been an ironclad rule. never in the history of this institution on the republicans or democrats have the previous question of been taken away from

the bodies of the people in this body. i hope this rule does not do that. i grew up around people who -- some of them con artists, i had -- carnivals come through town as you may have had. they always have the biggest con artists working as entertaining as they were. i learned early how to spot a con. i live in south florida that's one of the scam capitol of our nation. i moved there 50 years ago. i learned early how to spot a scam. my time here in congress, i have seen and once in awhile have participated in all kinds of political gimmicks. i have seen them all. at least until i got to this one.

so i learned early how to spot a political gimmick. but i now am getting a new lesson from you all. that's gimmick wrapped in a scam. is i think you can call it gimmick con scam perhaps brought here by the reader the other day and the other body of "sam i am." i tell you that what you are doing ain't going to work. i yield back. >> the gentleman yield back his time. gentleman from georgia is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i just had two questions. mr. wolfe, you mentioned that historically i think -- since the president of georgia came to town there are 18 shut downs including this.

pay is -- [inaudible] in all of those briefs shutdowns. it has it typically been done with an affirmative act before the policy differences were cob colluded in government and government reopened? is this the typically way to do it, do you know? >> i can shed a little light on that. up until 1980 you had lapses and appropriations but the government wasn't shut down. in the 1980 the solicitor general for the organization ruled that you had to stop funding the government if there was a lapse in appropriations. so a number of those prior shut downs fell prior to that period of time. the issue is kind of moot during that situation. subsequent shut downs that have always reimbursed every federal

employee for the period of time during which there was a lapse in appropriations. but do you know mr. moran if it was done perspectively. we don't know when we're going to reopen the government. you're going get paid to take care of the worry you discussed. any fact my reelection in 1995 and 1996 it was after the fact -- >> well yeah. your recollection was accurate. i was here as was frank during 1995 and 1996. the first, of course, in 1995 was for six days. then there was a subsequent one at the end of december that lasted to january that was my recollection for 21 days. in both cases, it was after the fact but i would suggest we should bear in mind at that time it was not the entire government. we had already passed a number of of appropriations bills. it was just for certain agencies that hasn'ted to be in the appropriations bills that had

been passed. so all of them were partial shut down. thing is a unique situation here that was not precedent in prior shut down. >> i'm not one of the cosponsors. i appreciate what you're trying to do in term of taking worry off the family's plates. worry is one of those i find reprehensible there's no solution to worry. it doesn't matter whether the -- conclusion worried about -- it continues to exist and you bear the burden of that. but i have to ask because your constituents are counting on you. and become the law of the land. is that also your expectations? >> it's not. i would expect a bill in a

bipartisanship -- which is not a matter of piecemeal or lifting the shut down in a piecemeal process but rather a fundamental policy issue doing -- the pay federal employees for time lost that is not their fault clearly. my expectations is that the senate would find this to be a separate kind of piece of legislation and would in fact approve it. and the president would sign this. i don't know. i obviously don't want to speak for my good friend from florida. but it's -- i think it's possible that he was not referring to all of this, but you know yeah. >> i do enjoy and learn. i would be happy to yield.

when i was seeking that i would vote for mr. moran and mr. wilson a measure that is a separate matter. that it may become the law. but my reference was when i said that the other thing that i hear are not going become law. i standby that. i will encourage and hope that the senate and the president would take this one quickly. you prefaced your introductory -- comments with fairness as a key goal. i would be happy to agree with you with what is happening here is not the fault of any your constituency. but i'm touched by the words of my friend from florida. he's actually speaking the concerns that have heard for many of my constituent sincerity which is i'm not a federal employee. i do a lot of business with federal employees, and what i've

heard they say you make federal employees whole. what about any family-owned business? pratt and whitney is one of those cases south dakota of -- south of my district. where is the fairness in holding so many of your constituency harmless when so many in other constituency continue to be harmed? >> you know that i can't give you a satisfactory action to that. i think there's a difference between the private sector and the public sector between people even who contract with the federal government and those who work directly for the federal government. i think we have a special responsibility for those who work for the federal government because in essence they work for us. we pass the laws. then they implement the laws that we pass.

so i think that responsibility is directly related to a responsibility to see to it they don't suffer by the fact they choose to work for the -- federal government. we are the board of directors where the fbi agent and everyone would call tonight. we got a call to say that our loved one son or care is kidnap. he's a federal employee. i went to the navy yard last weekend when they had ceremony. the twelve of them were federal employee. they were part of my family was devastate if i cancel the researchers out there. we're the board of directors for them. i think we do have a unique responsibility. 72 percent of the intelligence community. we have fbi agents that are over in nairobi now doing dna examination or al-shabaab.

they're federal employees. we're the board of directors for them. i have no doubt i'm going to get the question back home. where is the fairness in helping some when you know you're not going to help them all. i support your bill tomorrow because i think doing something is better than doing nothing. and i hope that we will find i think you know i might say we have also very large contract population. the work force. we'll be asked the same question. we'll have to provide the same answer. it is a legitimate concern. i wouldn't be surprised if both

of us are not going faced with that. it the answer has been to what we provided to you. >> i wanted to say that the military pay bill which we passed unanimously saturday night included contract employees and civilian employees who support the military unfortunately the secretary had decided that many of those aren't important. which absolutely is a hardball kind of mentality. same sort of mentality to put barricades around open-air markets. but there actually is a vehicle right now for your contract employees and civilian employees to be paid but the secretary has decided to play i think, the politics on it. and as somebody who worked hard on the bill that be pass on a bipartisan basis is extremely

disappointing. the bill would help them. >> i appreciate that. i have heard the same thing from folks back home. they thought is the as a result of the work of you and others put in they would be covered. only to find out from their employers that the pentagon had said no we're not going exercise that authority. it was disappointing to me. anybody who has a military installation or presence in their district know that it's not just the men and women in uniform. it's civilians and contractor support that make the installation great. thank you for your leadership on that. i yield back. >> the gentleman from colorado. >> thank you. a question for mr. king stoun. we have 11 11 of these -- we've had three or four now that passed the house. my question is how many of these until we've effectively passed a

clean cr that includes all the function of government? well, the gentle mab will yield. i think it's a great question. i want to say this. i have chaired and participated in a number of conference committees settled out major billion dollar bills. my ranking member at one time. what i found -- i'm not telling you don't know. -- we're doing them one at the time which could takes week and week of a government shut down until they are done. it's the same as the complete cr. prime mr. wilson they'll be packaged together. what i was going to say you go to the conference committees and you may have 60 or 70

difference. the more of the underbrush you get out of the way you build consensus. i truly believe this melted given the absence of a formal conference committee in negotiations, this method is moving us toward each other on a rank and file basis. >> we've about 14 after the ones that pass the and the ones in the rule. what is the number? how many until the cr is complete. how long will the work take? if you can ball fark 50 100? >> well we passed five appropriation bills. the senate passed zero. if we took the balance -- >> the senate passed a continuing resolution for the rest of the fiscal year for. >> only because they couldn't pass an appropriation bill. >> you don't need a cr at all the. >> i know you're -- is very important one. but there's two ways question find government. through appropriations. i think that's our preference

probably as an institution, individually, et. cetera. however in the ak -- abscess in the process in the past several years in congress as well as now the process that has been used has been a continuing resolution for all or some of the area of government. again my question we're about as i mentioned 15 of these. how many are there until we fund all areas of government? are i would say you can rap up it to one or 150 if that's what you wanted to develop. i'm not sure of the different agencies, but let me say this as the gentleman pointed out there's no agreement on the number we have a $60 billion plus and the way they control the budget control act at -- the only reason i put it out.

they are huge differences between where we are. as you know cr are only used as bridges to bigger agreements. so what in my opinion, what happened if we pass the clean cr there would be a huge fight in to two weeks. >> my time -- >> about the dollar difference. >> no doubt there's additional discussions to be had. reconcile and the senate and the budget. a number of my colleagues have

asked for a conference committee to reconcile those for many month. we believe strongly they should be reconciled. however there's a continuing resolution at the house level. the senate is come and met. the levels that are in the house budget. with such a huge knew her rick gap. with a 0eud billion gap i think in two weeks or two months whenever the cr run out we'll be in a deadlock. we should put the budget conference in there. the sequestration conference in there. and the debt ceiling.

i'm trying to understand what is being said. what i hear you say in the opinion of your party, the only way to resolve the differences is by shutting government down. >> thing the opinion of my party, i'm not speaking for my party. i'm saying there's a $60 billion gap. >> as i understand that. why do you need to shut -- you have to shut the government down to get an agreement. >> my colleague is trying to get in a word. >> we have four appropriators here. i heard what the gentle --

i want to get straightened out. my understanding that the senate cr level is higher than the house appropriations. >> they're an a different calendar year as well. scwe ration -- sequestration kicks in on january. i'll ask my friend is it not true the senate is at trillion 58? >> the senate is at at once gets to january 15th it drops immediately down to 967, according to the sequester the entire 21 billion would be taken against the defense budget. that was the agreement. >> let me reclaim my time. again i hope my colleague was

satisfied in that regard. i will go back in a moment. the jebt lman said you know there could be one or 150 of these. i think all of my colleagues on my side are asking for is one. to do -- and that's the issue. you get to the same point anyway when you bundle all 150 together and you have a clean cr. it could take weeks or months. we have done 15 it could take ten more weeks to do 150. are we going to be closed the entire time? we had a debt ceiling agreement and the budget control act august 2nd and part of that

agreement was for a super committee a super committee to come up with recommendations which were set tout avoid the sequestration. they still did not. and what my belief is whether you do it now or do it later. you still may find yourself in one of these fiscal cliches -- cliff or shut down situations. again, as pointed out already we had 17 shut downs in the last 25 or so years. so it's not an unusual position to be in. it certainly not a preferred position to be in. i guess maybe the difference between where you and i are as i'm not as optimistic as if you did pass a clean cr you wouldn't still end up here december 15th or november 15th because of the oiferred billion gap.

remember we appropriators always prefer regular order. that's one thing democrats and republicans on. we know we don't get our way. we sure prefer -- >> i yield the gentleman from florida. if you recall yesterday the democrat didn't win you would keep out there. i'll get all the democrats up here. lflt as we operate under

increasing occur duress. the only thing i really and truly absolutely believe has baseball players together. what i would say is have a huge gap with the senate. it's a huge gap. we are kind of on the distractions not -- it's a worthy distractions on obamacare but it's only a piece of it. there's still the $60 billion gap. then you have the debt ceiling.

speaking again from one member. you have to wrap it up all up and put it on the table. you indicate divide it. >> reclaiming the time. the senate capitulated. you need to know how to climb victory, fragly. only for that period of time. that is only a really, i would say, a partial momentary truce if you will it's still not going close what you're ultimately going fight over. that's the $60 billion difference. and one thing i will say i don't hear a lot of members on either side talking about this because we're all talking shut down and obamacare. but parking lot -- part of the big debate is the identified billion gap. to me put the debt ceiling debate, put sequestration, put it on one table at one point and roll up our sleeves and get the job done. i appreciate the gentleman's viewpoint. there's no disagreement there

are -- we shouldn't hold the entire federal government hostage in the short term and that in fact i believe makes a longer term solution more difficult. which is why we get through 150 in ten weeks.

yes hope that we -- that a crshes r gets passed at some point in time. whether storm or the next day we don't know. but i know this. that we have head start programs in the state of florida that went through the process for the granting authority that supposed to get paid on october one. that would actually keep them open in the state of florida starting tomorrow. on friday. it's the date of closure. i know that the state of florida

that's partially true and partially ante-dotal in not necessarily accurate. but we have an opportunity -- i'll think most people give a real -- most people back out. i wasn't in the legislature until two two and a half years ago. most of us look at this and say i get the procedural part. i get the aspect that we should fund the government. i do understand all of that. when parents are saying you can't just pass this so my kids have a place to go own friday. my kids are going have somewhere to go on monday. they don't understand the technical aspect of it. i don't know that i always understand it. i'm learning.

people back home don't care about the fact you're doing this piecemeal. they care about this subject. and probably the other summit as relates to pay. and all of these issues that came up i don't think that one should be more than the other. i will say this i think our kids should be more important than all of this. we have the ability -- we have the ability to vote on this to make sure these kids have the opportunities they deserve on monday. and not be closed down. i get the argument. i don't -- i don't disagree in total with the argument. but i do disagree that we shouldn't put them at risk because of our inability to get things done. it's one of those things i can't believe we can't all vote for. just like you heard mr.woodwood

al said he would vote for the pay issue. i don't have very many federal employees, i do have a federal prison though. and i worry about those families and the ability for them to make their car payments and make their house payments and all of those things. and they're still working. but to just say that is more important than the kids in head start is just wrong headed. i get the politics of all of this. i do understand that. but this is wrong headed. and mr. mcgovern, adds an advocate for children particularly in nutrition area but all people seniors and children let's at least get together on the things that we think are important. ..

>> i just want to make sure that at least for my own understanding that we believe that every plan on the table is at least a plan. the one that we are being asked to vote for this clean cr is washed up in less than six weeks so that is the piecemeal plan.

if you could use that for anything it would a six weeks so it would take nine or 10 to get through the whole year. that is piecemeal. on the other hand we ever did bill today on the floor that the reserves and coast guard -- the bill lasts all the way through january 1 of 2015. that is not piecemeal. that is a full plan so i think in some ways we are all arguing over piecemeal plan. so there's this whole talk about which number should we use? i mean i would offer up a compromise not based on anything other than a date. i mean the date is what we are looking for. we will never escape piecemeal until we get to the date of the next fiscal year. so why not use the 986-point three for 12 months. that to me is coming together.

there is all this talk about it's your number gets your number it's your number so let's use that number the 986.3 and that becomes the number. >> when my colleague finishes what he yield? >> i will yield. >> i would say that my observation is that we are all in agreement with virtually everything that is in the piecemeal by virtue of the fact that the senate and the house are working with the same number for a periodmacperiodmac k of time that is set and the only thing that we disagree about is obamacare. that's the only thing we disagree about. how in the world -- and i will vote tomorrow against this piecemeal head start approach. i've spent my life working in that as have you. >> recovering my time i will say that i don't know that is the real battle here.

i have got a feeling a big battle is over this number that we are talking about and that is why we are only talking about a piecemeal plan. every single person in this chamber who is promoting a plan is promoting a piecemeal plan. one is based on another -- a date and another is based on a number and in the end i think that is where we have to come together. we are getting ready to add all these other issues including it debt ceiling and the full appropriation whatever that turns out to be all mixed together. we are now -- we are almost into the finish of the first week so now we have five weeks of the cr that we are calling a miracle and it's not. it's only a piecemeal plan to get us a teeny little bit down the road. and so i say we ought to be talking about the long-term which is the full-length, the 12

months and in that how are we going to find that and what concessions can we make in order to get people to agree that number one we ought to raise the debt ceiling in order to pay for an appropriation we are funding but how do we get to that point? sometimes it takes concessions on issues and i think that's what we are talking about. >> i clearly understand that the senate and the house have agreed to this. i think you all are missing that point. all we are in disagreement about an evidently you are talking numbers -- reclaiming my time, i believe we have only -- they have only agreed for six weeks to hold that number. i don't think they have agreed for a full year. i think it's six weeks and therein lies the problem and i yield back. >> if the gentlelady would yield >> does the gentleman wish to

yield back this time? >> i will reclaim my time and yield to the chairman. >> thank you very much. the only thing i want to make sure people realize because another a lot of people who say we agree on a number but really and truly if you put your thumb on it's a six-week agreement only in the gap is tremendous. so in addition to our disagreements on obamacare and sequestration and the coming debate on the debt ceiling you have a 60 billion plus gap and that is why i'm saying the stakes are a lot higher. right now most of our colleagues in both parties seem to know because there is this focus on the policy difference but the difference is incredible so thank you very much. i just wanted to get that off my chest. >> mr. chairman? >> the gentleman is recognized. >> thank you. with the gentleman from year -- florida yield? the problem with the continuing

resolution for the entire year or for a substantial part of the year i think doesn't take sufficient consideration of the fact that we have a budget resolution passed by the house and senate that is waiting for them to go into conference so we really don't have what are called 302a allocations to our subcommittees and both mr. rogers the chair of the appropriations and the house and ms. mikulski in the senate do want to pass full appropriation bills. ms. mikulski in fact has told us she wanted november 15 so she could put an omnibus appropriation bill together. that may not happen but i think it would be premature for us to try to have a continuing resolution for the entire rest of the fiscal year 14 when there are these pending issues. we don't have a budget resolution and we haven't

resolved individual appropriation bills so that is why i think we are not able to do that. >> reclaiming my time that is exactly what i'm saying. what we are talking about from both sides as a piecemeal approach. i think we ought to look out further because we have some real issues coming upon us in their coming really quick. something that is five and a half weeks long is not enough. i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. >> thank you so much mr. chairman and thank you for calling up the rules committee on this emergency basis. it shows the urgency of these bills and i congratulate you for doing that. i'm glad that we all came up and i want to thank the chairman and the ranking member who are here. thank you for bringing these bills up for a vote tomorrow and we can get this done. we can get it to the senate. the president can sign them and little by little we get it done. it doesn't have to take a long time.

thank you very much mr. chairman. i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back or time. perhaps if we ever need a new chaplain you might be considered because you are a breath of fresh air and i think the gentlewoman. the gentleman from lewisville texas is recognized. >> thank you chairman. let me ask you a question on the intelligence capabilities act. i've been looking forward to a fairly robust debate for the reauthorization of the nation's intelligence capabilities. that that authorization as you know expired on september 30 and we didn't actually get around to it. i don't want us to miss the opportunity to have that debate because i do feel it's important. it was part of the department of defense appropriation debate this summer the amash amendment and many people remember that. i know people have concerns about the things in the authorization -- reauthorization of the intelligence bill. i just want your reassurance that we are not losing the opportunity to do that by

passing this bill tonight. >> i thank the gentleman. there would be inevitably another opportunity after that and i share the gentleman's concerns about it and would want a robust debate. of course as you know your committee could actually make this rule and an extended debate should you choose. even on this bill. >> thanks chairman for the observation. i also want to know the appropriation for the impact they bill that is important to those districts where there are large ownerships of federal property within the school districts that are not available for local taxation. we appreciate that as well and i yield that pairs the gentleman yields back is time could i want to thank each of you. excuse me just a moment please. >> the gentleman is recognized. >> you were with us at our last

meeting and i think you enjoy that experience. you would have to though stay here for another hour and a half to truly get the experience you had less time. i wondered if he wanted to stick around for another half-hour or hour and a half so we could replicate the last meeting? >> i look forward to all opportunities in being with the rules committee. [laughter] >> you have been in appropriator too long. >> the gentleman yields back is time. in fact there was a discussion yesterday that i had with chairman rogers wright did indicate that your exemplary service on behalf of the committee was well received by the rules committee and -- so if that is true you are and it. all three of you have done a beautiful job not just represent the ideas but also the people that stand behind those ideas in

your congressional district. mr. will for years you have served in this body with distinction and honor and i know that you mr. moran have also served with distinction were well received by the committee. it's our hope to get this deal forwarded on the floor and i want to thank each of you for being here this evening. you are now excuse. >> mr. chairman may i also think the members of the committee who chose to co-sponsor this legislation? it's much appreciated. >> i thank the gentlemen and thank you very much. [inaudible conversations] >> the hearing portion -- seeing no further members that are here the hearing portion is now closed and i would defer to the gentlewoman from north carolina

for a motion. >> thank you mr. chairman. i moved the committee grants closed rules for h.j. res. 75 h.j. res. 76 h.j. res. 77 h.j. res. 78 h.j. res. 79 h.j. res. 80 h.j. res. city to the h.j. res. 83 h.j. res. 83 h.j. res. said before and h.j. res. 85. a rule provides 40 minutes of debate on each joint resolution equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the committee on appropriations. the rule waives all points of order against consideration of each joint resolution and provides that each joint resolution shall be considered as read. the rule waives all points of order against provisions of each joint resolution of the rule provides one motion to recommit each joint resolution. section 3 of the rule provides h.r. 3223 the federal employee retroactive pay fairness act to the rule provides 40 minutes of debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking and already member of

the committee on oversight and government reform pay the rule waives all points of order against consideration of the bill. the rule provides that the bill shall be considered as read. the rule waives all points of order against provisions of the bill. the rule provides one motion to recommit. section 4 of the rule waives clause 66a of rule 13 requiring a two-thirds vote considering a rule in the same date as reported from the rules committee against any resolution report from the rules committee through the legislative day of october 21, 2013. finally section 5 of the rule provides it shall be in order anytime during the during the calendar day of october 20 2013 for the speaker to entertain motions at the houses than the rules and the speaker or its designee show console at the minority leader or her designee on the designation of any manner for consideration pursuant to this section . >> the committee has now heard the motion from the gentlelady

from north carolina and i would defer to the chairman of oklahoma for an explanation of the rule. the gentleman is recognized. >> this role provides a closed rule for consideration of each of these measures. each rule be debatable for 40 minutes controlled by the chimeric committee of jurisdiction. lastly the rule extends suspension authority on the same day authority through october the 21st to provide the house with a maximum flexibility to consider legislation addressing the shutdown. >> i think the gentleman from oklahoma for his explanation. we are now available for discussion on the amendment. the gentlelady from new york is recognized. >> thank you very much. my mehmet would add a new section to the end of the resolution requiring that we immediately vote on the senate's clean cr and end the government shutdown. we brought this up with rules before voting three times on the floor. i hope all people who believe we should stop this now would have

a chance to vote on this tomorrow. >> you up now for the amendment from the gentlewoman from new york. i would offer the explanation that what we are attempting to do here tonight we attempted yesterday and while doing votes on the floor to make sure that the important attributes of government are taking care of as we know our national leaders the president senate majority leader in the speaker work through these difficult issues up to and including this. the gentleman mr. kingston noted some $60 billion difference that needs to be negotiated also. we don't want to shut down the government again and i would find that we have got to resolve what we do now and then find one great answer. i believe that our leadership is capable of that so was i would offer a vote. any further discussion? se