you should talk to the people because they don't thank you did. i will call you back. he said it was a poke. it is just as does prestigious. said there are two most prestigious awards and out is very prestigious. don't you think it is odd you got it wrong about a journalism award? he said if you want to go after rigo went ahead. i say okay. [laughter] so i call "the washington post" and i tell them the whole thing and she calls bill and he says i have a g tod against him. [laughter]

now i expected him to go thanks. >> i will finish for now i could go on all day. >> i know you could. >> you just about half. >> we're supposed to be on for about 15 minutes and i have gone 35. >> i a labeled the polka warda peabody had a shot up. you took 35 minutes. shuts up. >> this is what he does. >> take control. come on. >> i feel i need a whistle and a striped shirt. >> can you please control them? >> he is calling me a liar on national television because imus spoke of this

is what he does is he demonizes than other people pick it up now i misspoke. >> you did not miss speak. >> this is what he does. he is vicious person blinded by ideology and that is all i will say. >> dell franken and bill already whose books were best sellers in 2003.

>> yellowstone was deemed to park 1872. actually was first discovered 82 '07 by a man named john coulter part of the lewis and clark expedition and he mustered out of the way home and went back with some travelers said 1870 you looking for india's trade with. it was relatively call for 20 years after but then the trappers came through in the 1820s through the 40's and prospectors in the '60s people began to wonder what was up there. and then convince the government to set it aside.

with the first-person accounts one of the mountain men who kept a and the elaborate journals people to visited the parker lee and what they did. in the region of the experiences of the people in the park. with a trapping expedition shopping him some of the natural wonders in the park because they see things. said this is what he said about the geysers a. >> after surveying said natural wonder he conducted be to our spring. the first thing that

attracts attention is a whole 15 inches in diameter id which water was boiling slow the about 4 inches below the surface. then they began violently and though water convince rising yen shooting upwards and talent rose to a column of 60 feet from then it fell into the ground into a circle of 30 feet in diameter perfectly cold when it hits the ground. that is one of the theory early descriptions of the geysers. 1839 it is remarkable that he does not have the word geyser in does not know how to lew describing it but he is said great writer and knows how. nobody knows exactly where russel was but apparently

one that is now default to but like old faithful every three hours. watching the geysers cover watching the falls then going where the hotels were built in the park they would just dump their garbage in the of woods in the bears' discovered it pretty facilites "twilight" the bears would come out and rob the rich and the tourist would come out to watch the bears. jack been and it was a very colorful guy who came to montana to work as a trapper and worked for the army. when the custer battle cahow

occurred he went to recover custers body and later became a yellowstone park guide you would go to him if he wanted to go hunting and here's a story from 1877 in their cross see the mountain he wants to be a bear hunter. hall -- this is what he said about getting his first pair and descended down into the creek we've found other big bear on the trail coming toward us. i told the colonel here

comes a bear. where? i showed him. he walked quickly and watched mr. baer and saw him leave the trail to go up the grassy hillside. i was afraid the colonel would shoot at him when he was right above him that he would come down but the colonel saw him on the hill about 30 yards away and stepped behind him. when he shot the bear there was a big brown wall and came down the hill at a brian the colonel did not know until i was close i told him to hold his fire until the very jump to the creek e did not do as he passed he shot and missed him when that darr crossed the creek i opened fire with my winchester by the time

the colonel uploaded was ready to shoot again i put five winchester's into the bare. with the colonel gave him one last shot to the breast as he was volley into the creek bet. hunting was legal 1872 through 1886 with the park was established it was thought people would need to hunt for sustenance. it was wilderness. so when they set up the park they wanted to allow hunting. but they were pretty much decimating all the game in the park while the army took over in 1886 to get people in there to police the park

to take care of the wildlife. there was an era when hunting was out of control in the park. a woman who went to the part , it is becoming a pretty civilized place. but eleanor decides and she lived in their of the wyoming and came home one day to expect a bill she bought away again and she was taking her seven children to yellowstone. she tells all sorts of marvelous stories about driving the white across wyoming quarter to quarter. it was quite a trip with the seven kids. how they learned to camp

camp, hunt, a fish, a feed themselves, have adventures. then one evening she decided here is her encounters with the bears. >> the beans were not done at bedtime so i put them on would faking there would be just right for breakfast. but it was so hot the stove was outside. at midnight there was a great clatter. sure enough the bear had to october trying to get to my beans and the wrist trying to work that not intel i series seems would he go way. but the oh he never thought about being afraid that i used all of my ingenuity

that sale though you can have a safe bet you have to keep it locked up but in this era, but they got into the red garbage cans in the camps in the encounters were common. other parts of the mountain were very cautious about indians but there was named

the one band of indians that lived there pretty gregory. they moved data of the area that that led to what i think is one of the best told stories paris since she was a little girl she wanted to visit and her father took her to mammoth hot springs fanfare she heard although

some left their reservation in idaho to make their way to the buffalo country that plan was to go live with the croats to give up their homeland to do this. and one of the things that happen to is they found emma and her tourist party found with her husband and sister and brother and several friends. in the tourist decided they would just leave. and the indians headed with them and as they encountered another and suddenly without warning shots rang out and

my husband was getting off his horse. i wondered the reason. a citizenry you reached the ground heaved fell downhill and shots followed and all was confusion and then i was off my horse where he lay against the fallen pine tree that pressure would pull me away from the has spent. i saw an indian tried to get a shot. i left my husband only to be roughly pulled aside another indian stepped up and a shot rang out in my husband's head fell back in their bread stream trickles down his hat.

this account i think that she wrote it 25 years after the events so obviously these memory non dash research very vivid to her. one thing you need to know is that he survived. i am working on another book of these encounters that the story of but the first side is of them but that is a touching story as he called 12 miles. >> when i put together the

proposal i had 250 stories collected and closer at 400. with fed doesn't best stories i collected stories of what people really in counters or maybe they have he received his happen to them like chasing a bear away from the campfire. that is a story of the venture is in yellowstone.

>> the premise of the book is the 19th century after the civil for the culture was dramatically reformulated and reconstructed of all -- along the nation itself and from the university of amsterdam how america mess culture took form and exported to europe but many europeans but they looked at the transmission of the mass culture and the perception live of the end of the civil war and the 1920's.

it is not really the end by a question to you reconstruct to put it back together again? and of course, they split get the political system how is reassembled. so what one needs to do is take into account as part of a reef formation of the united states. it becomes a real interesting into t but there is a decline of services suspect how often do kit people of different but had

you get people to imagine themselves with then the cultural form talks about buffalo bill's wild west but they try to seek death themselves but to use this -- but this begins with the world's fair in london, and an ash blond dash but also participating in the exhibition in 1950 -- teetwo 51 as they have the system of manufacturing fat they pick jeff spee to what we eric you in the book is buffalo bill's wild west of

the 1880s to be calamine export process and that not with the spectacle that european american's proposal but what they feel they probably knew what and how but if you're the imperial power or borrowed government power of the some of the europeans were fighting among themselves for a while. of united states was not

feeling so united in the middle of the sixties and hundreds of thousands of people were killed. how? it could have been fed it is about united states and then he is not dealing with this traveling show before. before the of wild west but

also to have native americans with him and the overwhelming reaction of most audience is one of utter amazement. not just with vesa but people dash to iran and and it was so remarkable to see this representation of the nature of the wild west really set up with the latest with the power plants with all of these actors they can move from place to place but then we lose the

efficiency. the american temperament it's in default but if there is the intention of indian reformers becomes part of

that global power. as part of america's global reach so as they develop across the 18 eighties and early 20th century so there is a sense that congress calls the roughriders reflects the ability of united states personified by buffalo bill to round up the rest of the path of growth the people

will find it odd there were these iconic photographs during their cold war meant to show the broadcast voice of america or of the soviet union and as we speak today the american basketball star dennis rodman is indoors korea trying to win the release of some american missionaries it is truly but then to complete the embrace

mass entertainment by getting the word out of the american perspective of world war i. there is an interesting government organization set up in this basically functions as the propaganda of u.s. government not to put the messages out but also becoming deeply involved to shape that message through motion pictures so in lower manhattan the office is involved to have people working. probably in dark rooms with scissors looking at the films hollywood is producing and basically if you want to export these overseas -- these scenes you have to get rid of them.

>> all of them. >> also the government is relying on film but what you define of paroled for one as american mass culture is not just developing that has developed am part and parcel of american life and people are overseas and understanding who we are in the globalization of american cultures has a great conversation and debate in the issues we address in the book how to think about globalization or should be in terms of the impact of other cultures? in terms of the imperialism

as some how passive victims and the get the perception where you locate so with cultural studies the on going field with loads of other interesting questions and the point of the book was to suggest if we look at the history of the rise of the culture overseas perceptions, people around the world had a law under experience than people realize thinking about those cultural norms extending the debate out a little bit with history that i think has

been really interesting. . . >> host: congressman john lewis, who was out when wilson? >> guest: out when wilson is a man that i first encountered on may 9 culmi