i felt your pain when you said you don't have a kind of resources to figure the law out. and it is confusing to some extent. it's a good resource that, you know, they're there for small business. they are champion of small business. they are very good at helping kind of go through the amaze on this new health care law. you might check in to them. for both of you, it sound like you have different issues. you sounded like you were saying you're taking care of your employees now. you're going take care of them. they are like family. it's more about you're hesitant to hire more in the future. it sounded like for you're more concerned about having to offer health insurance for those who are working 30 hour or more. have you actually calculated

those costs of you know what it would mean to insure your full-time employees? or the i'm part-time employees you work three dayses a week. sometimes 10 to 12 hours and push them to the 36 hour limit? >> sure, if i can comment on the previous statement of reference. the affordable care act as a whole. our health care system is broken. there's no doubt about it. we need to make a change. i think what we're addressing here today is around the 30-workweek. not so much the actual plan. for an individual like myself, it's -- we know -- i want entrepreneurs to the ability to step out. t justice how it's defense attorney and made i don't think anybody is against individuals being to be have health coverage i think as americans and people you want everybody to be taken

care of. i feel the same exact way. however, it may not be the best system for business entrepreneurs. i think today we're talking about the 30-hour workweek. when it comes to us, no we want nothing more than to provide the health care coverage nap is why we made the step from day one. first day i opened i provided an opportunity for my very first employee from day one and knead investment. we continue to make the investment. you made a comment on the co. it will cost us $22 00 as we set up per new employee on a part-time basis if not changed reverted back to 40 hours. when we look at new -- >> how many is that for you? how many of those employees fall in to that category? >> sure, we open a new location. we open a new location with 12 to 13-employees with the one-full-time employee. they work 30 to 35 locations. we march to a new city right away off the bat. we are providing the 30 tsh

sorry 15 new opportunities right away. >> there are like -- >> 30 to hours per week. they don't consider full-time? >> no. they will grow to full-time positions and receive the benefit from working hard and helping us establish our business. but our business cannot be established without profit. we need that margin. we need every single margin. you talk about $1.6 margin. 5% margin. 15% margin. it doesn't matter what industry you are and what margin based upon the industry. when you are start-up you need every single percentage point. >> if this doesn't get changed back to the traditional 40-hour workweek. what will do you? >> we have the additional cost. >> you'll have the additional cost. you won't -- >> we'll grow slower. >> with our model, our scale, we

have set up currently that worked tremendously. we went to nashville, tennessee. opened up a location. i purchased a family franchise. we grew by over 600%. we know it works. it doesn't work with the additional costs. when we move to dallas, texas and open up there on tees 16th. with that in mind, if it was in effect currently right now the costs would prohibit us to groupon a same scottsdale we know we are growing upon. when we went to nashville we started out with three employees. we now have other 30 in nine short months. >> does the cost call clietded on the current insurance provider? they've told you that adding more employee would affect cost. >> that's what i have to go on currently right now working with our insurance provider. if we are offering to the individuals we're offering now. we have to offer to the equally among the other employee. that's the cost burden we have to take on a part-time basis.

it's not an issue of not wanting to do it. it's the issue of the business will not grow and scale the same exact way without it. we are take care of the full-time employee. the 30 hours could bring you about 10 more on the plan. that -- >> what would that cost glow. >> that would cost me $36 ,000 a year. at least. that's just not including administration costs. >> for ten more. >> ten more. >> i think he's got a better plan. [laughter] i think, you know, we talk about the plan -- [inaudible] we're talking -- [inaudible] to have the conversation. i'm concerned, like i said, you talk about the budget office. that's time i have to step out

of the store and go down there. what happened to shaking my uncle's hand who is an insurance agent. i have to leave him now. i'm leaving my u.n. the in the local insurance because they adopt provide the plan that best keep us in business. the local insurance agent has his hands in the air. he sells the stuff and said i don't know what to do. we don't have a plan for you, i'm sorry. so, you know, i'm concerned about that. that's a local guysha that shops in my store. >> i thought the current plan provided the benefits? >> no. competitive for our rates. when i look at our rates where we're going to go. his rates were going to go up 10 to 20%, at least. we had to do something to keep our insurance plan, to keep our cost in line. as a small insurance agency. they didn't have an ability to look at the underwriters and see

what options they. we had to go with someone else that innovated and hurts a small business guy and also drags you out of the office more you spend at lough time on it. we had health insurance then we started to provide health insurance to our employees, to our families. but we spent a lot of time on this. i took time out of my schedule. i believe the 30-hour requirement can cause some issues, and i've come comment on 309 hour and hopefully representative the independent business owners across the nation and make difference. >> thank you. i appreciate all the witnesses here today. i think we have learned something. >> yeah. myself as well. we heard divergent opinion. i think some point where do we agree uncertainty is not good. uncertainty in any number of areas including uncertainty

including our deficit, debt. and the more entrepreneurs and small business owners have certainty, the more likely they are to invest. it's interesting, too, i think we're getting consensus agreement and bipartisan way that whether it's the 30-work workweek. the due definition of large business and 50 employee on the medical device tax or the health insurance tax. all of these ref new drivers going bring money the taxes to government to pay for the huge expain. in each and every case there's bipartisan agreement. they're not good for the economy. there's 30 hours, 50 employee, health insurance tax. they are all bad for growth. which is why some we would say why don't we delay it a year and get the economy growing a little bit more before we -- take on things that there's bipartisan agreement. it in fact are costing jobs.

don't have any jobs we can afford to lose. i would leave it out there as we move forward in the uncertain time. s. the best thing question do is net get a room. we talk about this. we can talk about the negative impact. how can we change something in order deal with the negative impact and yet understand the cost of associated with that so we can all have a little less uncertainty. and clearly today the exchanges aren't open. they're not working. my own staff can't get on to the exchange here in d.c. it's not open. in a short period of time you have tout purr yo employees in buckets to prepare for a year down the road. anyway, i think those are all facts that would indicate we should delay. but that's just my opinion. so again thank you all for coming. your insight has been valuable and appreciate you take time away from your business, traveling here, and i can assure you the testimony is valuable to us.

with that, i ask unanimous consent that members have five legislative days to submit statements, and supporting materials for the record. and seeing none, without objection, it is so ordered the hearing is now adjourned. [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] the today the family research counsel kicked off the annual conference here in washington, d.c. the event spend three days of

speakers and panel discussions. several republican senators spoke at the opening session including texas senator ted crudes. here is some of what he had to say. ♪ >> you know what i'm curious. anybody less at the organizing for america headquarter? [cheering and applause] i'm actually glad that the president's political staff is here instead of doing mischief to the country. [cheering and applause] in the movie, the usual suspect they said the great e trick the twelve played of the to convince the world he didn't exist. the greatest trick the left has

ever played is to convince conservatives we cannot win. [applause] the media will tell us that believing in free market value, believing in the constitution, believing in freedom that those are extreme views. it is a lie. if it were not a lie, why do so many democrats, when they're running tend to be conservatives? [applause] for that matter why do so many republicans do the same? [cheering and applause] the value each and every one of russ defending are values that every small town, every family, every small business has understood in this country for century. that's what we're defending.

that's what we're defending. [cheering and applause] at this point, -- you know what is striking, actually? the course of this free speech, we've heard more -- than president obama allowed in the past year. [cheering and applause] if fact, since we have the men and the women of the media here. let me make an offer to our president. i would welcome the president, if he want to get 100 of the most political operative in the room. i'll answer their questions on television as long as he likes.

[cheering and applause] and in exchange, all i would ask, mr. president, is you take not 100, but 10 of the men and women in this room. [laughter] and spend 30 minutes answering their questions for the american people! [cheering and applause] when the fight for obamacare started, senator mike lee and i began by pitching it in washington. and it was abundantly clear it was not a strategy that washington was going embrace. it was far too risky. it if there's one over arching

urge in washington. it's risk aversion. do nothing that it might actually do anything. [laughter] and so this summer mike and i took a different strategy. we said, okay, we're going go -- ma'am, i look forward to you at the town hall. we'll pool together. [laughter] we a very different strategy. we said, okay, we'll go over their head. a lot of folks in washington, said you'll talk to republican leadership? [laughter] we went over their head to the american people. [cheering and applause] for much of the month of august and september. we traflted the country speaking to town hall over the country and saying --

[booing] how scared is the president? [cheering and applause] what a statement of fear. what a statement of fear. [cheering and applause] they don't want the truth to be heard. they definitely don't want the truth to be heard. [cheering and applause] as we traflt country speaking to the american people, making the case what we said from the beginning. i said you know what? i can't stop obamacare. mike lee can't stop obamacare. but we have -- two more, three more, gentlemen, ladies. thank you for your passion. but you should respect the right of the men and women who are here.

[chanting] it is unfortunate -- it is unfortunate that the administration -- [yelling] [chanting u.s.a.] the nighs thing is the left will always, always, always tell you who they fear. [applause] you can see all of that event with texas senator ted cruz and other republican lawmakers in our video library at c-span.org. on this weekend's news

makers, new york congressman elliot is our guest. he's the top democrat on the house foreign affairs committee, and talking about some of the latest foreign policy issues that are theying the u.s. topics include the debate over u.s. aid to egypt. the recent u.s.-lead raid in somalia. and actions by russia and syria concerning chemical weapons. you can see the interview sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. this sunday part ii of the conversation. start off by giving us what you saw with the press, the immediate why, and that world. how did you view this? >> usually with some hostility. which is, just the natch ram state of affairs. between the white house and the press corp. because that's just the nature of what the press

needs do. they need to try to catch the white house out. on whatever is going on. more with bush administration chief of staff. sunday night at 8:00 on c-span's q & a. in the hearing on capitol hill today. the senate commerce committee look at some of the government functions that have stopped as a result of the ongoing government shut down. among the witnesses was one of the stars of the popular reality show "deadliest catch" who spoke on the issue of -- commercial fishing permits and how they weren't issued to fisheries in aca -- alaska. it's about two and a half hours. [inaudible conversations]

poor debby -- [inaudible] so they will be here. and john may or may not come. and if he doesn't come, i bless him. if he does come, i bless him, because this -- this is what happens when you're in washington and you read about snowfall in the upper midwest. one-half of all the cattle in his state were killed. and that's their business. that's their business. they're not north dakota. they don't have oil.

they are south dakota. they have cattle, farming, one-half and so, i mean, if he comes back it's glorious. if if he doesn't, we should wish him well in that. losing cattle is -- they're not people but they cause people to lose their -- promise not go to sleep this time? [laughter] are you -- you're probably interested in fisheries, aren't you? [inaudible conversations] do you? would you like the captain too? [inaudible] [laughter] okay. that's good. >> i'll put him back to work. here we go.

in 2008-2009, this country went through the worst recession since world war ii. we were probably never all agree about what or who caused any of this, but we know that the come back from the great recovery has been very slow, and it's very, very painful. it's odd, actually, to look at the charts that there continues to be new jobs pumping to the economy, which is the good part. then you think about the people who have been laid off and the ripple effect of all of nap you don't really know where the economy is. you have a feeling -- five years after the crash the unemployment remain at high level, stubbornly.

while our country is growing a little bit. it's a lot of satisfaction. i think we is say that fairly. our financial experts and business leaders are telling us it's stale fragile recovery. , you know, that the economy is still not systemically coming back. they'ring say if we're not careful with our acas and nobody careful around here for several months, then this step could easily slip the economy wack to a recession. if it comes back to a recession, then that's very, very bad news. i think you're talking several years to even begin to have a comeback. so i'm going to be frank about this. a small group of people in congress have been ignoring these warnings. they have, in any judgment have

been recklessly putting our economy at risk over relapse which would be a disaster. last week they want the repeal of the frarkt -- affordable care act. this week they don't know what they want. instead of coming to their senses reached this morning or reached in the next couple of days. the feelings have not declined, and; therefore the implications for the future are not necessarily good. some people seem to think manufacturing budget crisis is good politics. i would be frank about that. i think they have been over the past two weeks it's not good politics. i hope they are realizing it's

really bad public policy. if you don't trust my opinion that this shut down is hurting our economy, let me read from a letter that the u.s. chamber of commerce and the business round table which writes two different kinds of letters. 250 business groups said to the congress on september 30th, they said it's not the best interest of the american employers or employees or the american people to risk a government shut down would economically be disruptive and create even more uncertainty for the u.s. economy. not in the enormously interesting statement we be the fact they both wrote it and sent it and are not sort of putting pressure more and more pressure on all party, i think, is very important. the damage and disruption caused by the government shut down are very real. what i regret in the hearing we'll be talking about things which come under our

jurisdiction and we won't be discussing thicks like the wic program and food stamps and everything of that sort. so by not discussing all we're recognizing we only have jurisdiction over certain thins. within the certain things there are the same human tragedies that are happening. it's hurting our families under our jurisdiction. our government, business and standing in the world. we often talk about the economy in abstract terms. what we're really talking about is millions of skilled and productive americans in both public and private sectors whose hard work and dedication made our country strong. all of us who serve on the committee understand the economics successes based upon a successful private/public partnership. in this case, i think the private sector will do anything to help. it's the public sector being

cantankerous and not particularly helpful they give you a few examples. how do they know they are safe and reliable? because the federal aviation -- the administration expects that faa that's why we have a really safe record. they certify they meet high safety standards. they don't, they can't take off where are our highway, our railroad, and pipeline networks. it's hard to sigh when you see the fracking and natural gas drilling and fires that come out of pipelines and nobody knew were there.

expert from the national transportation safety board constantly monitor that they study how to make them safer, and when they're doing that, they often have to make new maps but a they have uncovered new pipelines so why has the united states lead the world for decades and technology and innovation. scientists and technical expert at nasa, nsf, and dod have reformed the basic research and the engineering that private air space and that they need for commercial purposes. how do we keep them out of the hands of children?

consumer safety -- monitor our port from entering the extreme of commerce. the good captain sitting before us, doing explain why nonhelp -- harvest our country's marine resources and sustainable, responsible way. ..

>> we are continuing to help our country doctor david whiteman was one of the individuals that i had never heard of. but the nobel prize people have. and they have a nobel prize in 2012 and he is just sitting at home. i can't go to his lab. the lab has closed. the small handful of members of congress that have engineered government shutdown don't seem to value his work as much as the rest of the scientists in this world do. i regret that i have to call this hearing today. i don't want to to be partisan,

but the shutdown is doing enormous harm to our country and it was totally avoidable. and you breathe the dust and it is just -- you do autopsies and for the most part they are going to have black lung. they die because they cannot breathe. and this is in our jurisdiction, but the federal inspectors to inspect these mines who find it expensive to keep it safe and are therefore ventilated and sprayed with water and they just -- you know, there are no federal inspectors around. so nobody has to worry, and it worries me and scares me in places like west virginia do that do have coal and what will happen.

and all we need is a house of representatives that do accept reality. and i am just going to end and i apologize to all of my colleagues it is terrifying. the consumer product safety commission, 540 portal total employees furloughed, we are not there. the department of commerce, 40,000 -- or 40,000 employees are not there. the department of transportation, 18,000, 55,000, not there. and federal communications commission, 1700, 1754 not there. the federal maritime commission, 120 of 120 total employees not

there. the federal trade commission, 925 of the 1100 or not they are nationally. 17,000 of the 18,000 not there. 97%, the distinguished senator tells me that. the national science foundation, which i cherish, the thousand 970 are not there. so not yet. this is my statement and who should i call on? >> the witnesses? >> absolutely. >> we spoke so eloquently. this is unprecedented behavior. >> all right, and let me do that and we will start with the

dubber honorable deborah hirschman and the president executive officer, the former head of the federal aviation administration and doctor alan leshner. including the executive publisher of science magazine. captain keith coburn, owner and operator, am i right? >> absolutely. and rachel weintraub and senior counsel of the consumer federation of american. deborah hirschman, may we please don't use. >> yes, sir. >> good afternoon, members of the committee. i appear before you today to discuss the effect of the federal government shutdown on

the mission of the national transportation safety board. on october 1 oh 2013, the ntsb delivered furlough notices to 383 of our 405 employees. our contingency plan following a lapse in appropriations provides that all activities of the ntsb be shut down, except for those necessary to prevent imminent threats to the safety of human life or protection of property. system with anti-deficiency act requirements and omb guidance. there is what we are not doing. in the 10 days that have passed since the shutdown. fourteen accidents have occurred in which we have not dispatched investigators. including a fatal bus crash that occurred in tennessee, for fatal

general aviation accidents that occurred in arizona, and a worker fatality that occurred just blocks from here on washington's metro system. and this includes the investigations of all modes of transportation. these are a determination of probable cause and an assurance of safety recommendations. essentially, delaying safety to the american public. the resulting in lost lives and injuries. as examples, this week we announced the postponement of two investigative hearings. the first is a hearing involving two accidents on metro-north railroads and the second is an aviation hearing involving a xian at 214 that crash to the

san francisco airport and both of those hearings have been postponed into the shutdown. as one of the preeminent safety investigation agencies in the world, we routinely routinely filled fill requests from our international colleagues to provide technical expertise in their investigations, such as reading flight recorders. in the last 10 days, we have declined to international requests for assistance and one request from the state department for support. they have also received dozens of notification from our counterparts around the world about accidents involving u.s. manufactured aircraft. while we are shutdown, the ntsb is not able to fully represent u.s. interests around the world. here is what the ntsb is doing during the government shutdown in the last 10 days. we have identified five accident

investigations that met the legal requirements for accepting employees from furlough and we have also issued two sets of urgent safety recommendations identifying imminent threats to life or property. in the event of a major transportation accident that meets the legal criteria for bringing employees back from furlough, we will launch a limited investigative team. our furloughed employees are prepared to resume their roles as transportation safety investigators to collect perishable evidence and issue urgent safety recommendations only. however, you should know that the investigations would be just that. very limited. we would not provide the other important functions of the public has become accustomed to that do not meet the imminent threat to life or property threshold such as providing

support to accident survivors and victims families after a crash or providing updates to the public on the progress of our investigation. the ntsb provides a vital service to the traveling public as the independent voice in conducting detail accident investigations. and i urge you to reopen the government so that the ntsb can fully reserve our fate and transient emission. i thank you. >> thank you very much, chairman deborah hirschman. now the honorable marion blakely and president of the industries association of america. >> thank you, chairman. i think you, members of the committee, for holding this hearing today, it is a very important topic and we are very appreciative of this. unfortunately, the shutdown is

negatively impacting many civil aerospace programs that advance bust and our economic progress. the longer this goes on from the worse it becomes. i am telling that not much attention has been paid to the private workforce that work force that supports or government agencies and they have suffered as well, especially the smaller companies that are in them aerospace supply. they are at risk at shattering operations in the event of the extended shutdown and unlike the department of defense, many domestic agencies have furloughed most of their financial and accounting status, therefore leaving companies that have included the central core for government work without payment. nasa is operating in the civil space arena with less than 3% of its 18,000 workers.

industries work on high visibility space programs and generally so far has been unaffected due to very smart planning on the part of industry. if the shutdown drags on, major problems will develop and additionally, industries work on many of the programs and it is already being affected. with a view expectations. including unavailable to industry access to work on government or commercial space programs. support contractors working simply unable to do their jobs, to compensate, larger companies are encouraging their workers to take on plan vacations and trying to find other assignments and it can be in regards to very difficult decisions because they have no assurance that they will be paid for work done during the shutdown. and of course, the ripple effects are being felt

throughout the communities as well. at the office of commercial space transportation, reduced staffing is leading to delays in the approval of the launch licenses and this is burdening those risking already their own capital to restore it to launch leadership and help nassau group become independent of russia. there is also the potential impact of the nasa weather satellite development and the joint system is scheduled to launch no earlier than 18 months after the end of design life for the satellite that is down up there. and it could worsen. serving to civil aviation, nearly 50,000 employees from about one third of the workforce is furlough. all air traffic controllers are still working, they are doing

their job without formal support functions and they're not able to train more qualified the control. a larger impact is being seen in the faa certification programs and the law requires that the faa certified all aircraft equipment and training simulators before they can go into service. although some certification is being recalled to work, more than 90% were furloughed in the shutdown began last week. this is delaying new products and worsening of backlog that was already affected by the sequester last spring. also, the faa aircraft registry office in oklahoma city is closed. halting delivery of aircraft to their new rightful owners and the faa has suspended and then suspended the operational testing and implementation of next-generation technologies designed, of course, to make transportation safer and environmentally better and

efficient. we should not lose sight of sequestration and federal agencies that dealt with the sequester by freezing hiring and deferring maintenance and eliminating training and cutting operational travel. these priorities cannot be sustained indefinitely as agencies are forced to choose between today's operating budget on tomorrow's capital investments. there is no doubt that the investment will suffer. and working to develop the final fiscal year 2014 budget, we urge the sequesters replacement be found with more reachable reasonable budget caps. it's important to stress that the shutdowns only lasted 11 days. while the impacts are discussed are tangible and harmful, a much wealthier shutdown could be cute cascading devastating consequences and i believe that the congress that the

administration was in the shutdown and begins work on a bipartisan grand bargain. let's ensure that our government will not only continue to operate but that the federal programs that advance our nation's economy and our security interests receive the funding that they do need. thank you very much. >> thank you very much marion blakely. doctor alan leshner, chief of the advancement of science in america. whenever the issue comes out, you have proven every word.

and i think you. >> you are a stellar person at this hearing. >> thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. >> i'm pleased to talk about the impacts of the scientific ramifications of the government shutdown. in both government and many of those supported by the federal agency and it will interrupt many long-term studies that depend on continuity over time for that success. many kinds of data have been lost or foregone. the sequester came as an overlay on federal science budgets that have already declined dramatically just in the past three years many are dramatically increasing their search of developments despite of them economic conditions. the cumulative effect of these trends are now exacerbated by threatening america's very standing in the global

scientific community. losing our eminence in science would be a drastic consequence. and it likely would result in fewer scientists coming to study and work in the united states. fewer us-based science and technology breakthroughs. in fewer u.s. startup companies and jobs. about the shutdown, unfortunately, the vast majority of federal science staff and programs fall into the so-called nonessential categories. and are directly affected by the shutdown and i would like to give you just a few examples that are in my written testimony. at the national national institutes of health, the nih employees are allowed to continue to provide care for patients in the clinical center, the new patients are generally not being accepted and normally some 200 patients are entered into trials everyday. moreover, at least six new clinical studies have been deferred.

the national science foundation, this week announced that it will be forced to cancel the u.s. programs and the entire upcoming field station and field season if the shutdown continues past october 14. this could jeopardize the entire research season for hundreds of important projects and this includes astronomy, particle physics, weather, biology and many products have been many years in development. three of four u.s. radio telescopes, which are largely funded by the nsf are off the air, impacting several thousands of researchers who can collect important data. at nasa, scientists have been tracing the shape of the mockery milky way which is not shutdown. it is now shut down. that means that a years worth of

data can go to waste and they will have to start over. much of the noaa portfolio constitutes what you might think is environmental intelligence and requires continuous monitoring and interpretation of an array of scientific parameters, much of that monitoring will be suspended, for example, effective water management, such as in the great lakes, is dependent upon understanding water quality issues. that monitoring will be suspended as the relevant scientists have been furloughed. the same is true for drought management. the department of energy, most of the national labs, which are managed under contract would be shielded for a time. but the resources will be short-lived. for example, the laboratory in new mexico plans to shut down on october 21. in oak ridge, tennessee. the national security complex

component in the nuclear defense enterprise has already started partial shutdown. what we call those in our great research universities are somewhat shielded from the immediate impact of the shutdown, but the effects will soon reach their labs as grant renewals are disrupted and new grants were delayed in starting. we know that congress faces many physical challenges in the weeks ahead. the millions of scientists and engineers in academia, small businesses, and large industries that we represent call upon you to ensure sustained and robust support for scientific research as you deal with these challenges. i have to say that the continuing a decrease in the nation's investment in research will only exacerbate fiscal

problems slowing down the engine of discovery that drives innovation and economic growth. we urge you to help provide a powerful legacy of scientific discovery and innovation for future generations. >> thank you very much, sir. now we have captain keith coburn. the owner and operator of the telecommunications wizard. >> thank you ranking member john thune and members of the committee. i appreciate your invitation to appear here today. mr. chairman, thank you for carrying on the legacy of the late senator. i would also like to thank senator begich, senator murray, and senator cantwell. and the strong support.

my name is keith coburn and i'm on alaska crapper and some of you made recognizing the captain of the fishing vessel wizard on the discovery channel series the deadliest catch. i'm honored to be before the committee today, but i would rather be 4000 miles away is the first time in 20 years that have not been here in the month of october. and i'm here today on behalf of fishermen. i'm here to talk about the impacts to my fishery and i want the committee to understand that the shutdown is causing impacting fisheries nationwide. lack of personnel to perform routine functions, such as managing port allocations will result in millions of revenue losses to that sector of the industry. the federal observer program also be impacted longer this shutdown continues and across the country, it will be forced

to shut down. many are facing tough times and many will be the tipping point if the situation isn't resolved soon. the alaskan king crab picture he is the model of practices as managed under what each fisherman is part of the total catch. including the conservative management approach and overfishing is our purpose. it results in the hundreds of millions in economic activity that provides thousands of jobs for visitors such as welders and mechanics and shippers and distributors and retailers. i want to be very clear that the crab fishery through a cost recovery program exists. and we are taxed our landing.

they have money in the bank that can be used to pay for the personnel that we need to issue our permits, despite this fact, this includes those that are necessary on the october, 15th, season opener. we ask the secretary to direct no employees to do the task that we have already paid for. an issue our crab quotas. and this includes the alaska communities and they have art invested millions of dollars out of pocket is gearing up for the season and each day will cost these votes thousands more. the short-term impacts are relatively easy to measure and the longer-term market impacts are the scary part. for the majority of our crab is, we rely on the holiday market both in the u.s. and japan, if the crab is shipped out of

alaska by the second week of november, we stand to lose access to that market. we cannot board to lose this and this includes decreasing the revenue that we earn by 20 to 25%. we also stand to lose market marketshare if japanese buyers don't have these products on hand for the new year's holiday, it will source their crab from russia and market watchers are noticing the japanese trade press as well. this includes unsustainably managed and subject to a significant amount of pilot fishing as it is already part of the fleet an estimate of 500 million since 2000. if the shutdown continues, that will only increase. families are racking up bills to get ready to go fishing.

if we are tied to the docks waiting for the government, we cannot pay those bills. on behalf of all fishermen, i'm asking congress to end the shutdown now. i'm a small businessman in a big ocean with big bills. and i need to go fishing. thank you and i would be happy to answer any questions. >> thank you, captain. now, deborah weintraub. >> that afternoon, chairman rockefeller and members of the committee. i am rachel weintraub, senior counsel of the consumer federation of america and i offer the testimony on behalf of the cfa as well as the consumer action and the national consumers league and the law center on behalf of low-income clients and public citizen and the national association of consumer advocates. we all expect that the air and food and products that we use every single day are going to be safe. we do not expect to be ripped

off by a bank or a telemarketer. and we expect that we can find information on government websites and that government agencies will investigate concerns and enforce existing law. part of our security has been directly linked to the employees of many different government agencies. during the government shutdown, however, many of other consumer protections that we depend upon have been curtailed. things could get worse if the shutdown continues much longer. in his testimony, i am including i hope to be the most current information available. but the situation is fluid and changes rapidly and i will highlight the impact on a few key agencies. first, the federal aviation administration has furloughed 15,514 of its 46,070 employees. many of the staffers supported the traffic controllers have been furloughed, and virtually all the force has been sent

home. this is virtually unprecedented. even during the 1996 shutdown, most of the inspectors remained on the job. earlier this week the faa announced plans to bring back 80,000 inspectors and oversight staff and others, but that still is only about 15% of the furloughed safety personnel. what is responsible for millions of people on the roads and highways, 333 workers out of the total of 597 have been furloughed. they are not able to alert consumers about safety work and recalls and work on conducting effective investigations for research and testing and any defect that emerges during the shutdown will not be investigated properly due to our consumers and highways at risk. the impact of the shutdown on the consumer product safety commission is significant. for percent of the total work force remains on the job and that is 23 employees at 540 full-time employees.

employees the employees currently working our field investigators were inspectors leaving the ports vulnerable, and problematic during this pre-holiday season. like other agencies is conducting only business that protects against imminent threats to human safety and government property, including civil penalty negotiations are suspended unless they rise to that threat. the consumer incident database is receiving reports that will not be publishing them. less money a girl in san diego county was killed when a television tipped over, crushing her to death. lastly, a 1-year-old boy from minnesota swallowed part of the laundry peace and has been hospitalized due to the shutdown. he is unable to seek justice by educating consumers about how to prevent more tragedies.

food safety is in jeopardy as well. the fda will not conduct routine food safety inspections and this includes compliance and enforcement activities that will not be monitored. the cdc has a significantly reduced capacity to identify and respond to foodborne illness outbreaks and is unable to support state and local partners in disease surveillance which has hampered the capacity to track the recent and current salmonella outbreaks linked to poultry and a second close to 350 people. most inspectors have continued to work in the agency has said that a lengthy hiatus would have serious adverse effects. agencies that seek to ensure fairness in the marketplace are also being compromised. less than 20% of the employees are exempt from furloughs, no rulemaking will proceed and staffers oversee the registries of the do not call and this includes the databases that are

furloughed. the website is not functional. a consumer was who is the victim of identity theft cannot access information about steps they need to take to further protect themselves. less than 2% of the fcc's staff is working in the cftc's which oversees the commodity market in the derivatives market, the vast majority of the 700 employees are furloughed, leaving them with few people to police this for fraud and manipulation. the shutdown is jeopardizing numerous consumer protection and placing consumers or potential risks. i think you. >> thank you very much. one of the things that make me think of is that you're using specific examples. and i think that some require the overlay of the situation and it always comes down to individual science experiments that cannot happen.

it's one of the things you all have this in front of you. it is a report on the government shutdown. and it's 29 pages long, it could be 2900 pages long. but it gives, you know, a more human account of what is not happening and i ask them to this report that this be made part of the records that mr. chairman. this is a report by the majority staff of the committee. >> yes. please go ahead. >> i have no objection and i think you. >> i now call upon senator risk wicker who does not look like senator john thune, but please

go to the opening statement. >> let me say on behalf of a senator john thune that because of the unprecedented blizzard in south dakota who felt that he needed to get back to his state and he heard about this hearing and he tried to make travel arrangements to get back. and has been unable to do so. i'm sure he would like to have been here. we wish him a speedy return and the people of south dakota the best during this disaster. as most members know and most of the public is aware, republican members of the senate have been meeting in the white house with president obama and vice president biden for the last two hours or more and the meeting lasted longer than people

expected and i guess that is a good thing because we were talking about this very subject. and that is part of the ranking member for this year, i am late and i apologize for that. but i thank you, chairman, for your courtesy in which you have always shown to me and members on the side and no one is happy about the current shutdown. >> senator, i would like to say the things he said, but i would like to also talk about the respect to senator john thune. 50% of all of the cattle of south dakota are dead and buried in the snow. that is a catastrophe catastrophe and they don't produce oil, they do cattle and agriculture and even trying to get back here is a wonderful

thing and i proffer your positions interesting man. it is a tragedy and a catastrophe, to be sure. no one is happy about the current shutdown, nor about any of the shutdown that have occurred over time. and during the clinton administration, the shutdowns cost $1.4 billion, furloughed hundreds of thousands of americans and sharply slowed economic growth. these shutdowns are likely to be no different and i think that we all hope that the ends justify the means very soon. even a two-week shutdown would reduce gross domestic profit in the fourth quarter by .3%. the disagreement arise not over whether the government should be reopened but rather how we address our country and the skyrocketing debt. requiring tough decisions and

requiring leadership by the political party. including tip o'neill three decades ago, still relevant today. despite that, political differences have occurred in the two leaders found common ground by putting the best interest of the company first. while still adhering to the long-held principles. in order to end the shutdown, sites must work together and they can agree that there are policies and laws in place today that we would like to see change. it is my hope that if both sides give a little, both will be able to walk away from negotiating with something of which they can be proud and we can all be proud. first, mr. chairman, both sides have to be willing to sit down at the table and negotiate. based upon these records and encouraging signs out there in the public, perhaps we are getting closer to a negotiating

process. regrettably, this is a catastrophe of her own creation. in the status quo needs to change. for too long we have governed crisis to crisis. for the last several years the senate has failed to consider appropriation bills under the regular order. instead we are relying upon multiple and continued revolutions and under the spending bills to keep the government running. a continuing resolution should be a measure of last resort. not taken up lightly for the sake of political expediency. it is not a substitute for and open project process that could achieve long-term deficit reduction and spur economic growth. according to a recent article in forbes, in spite of the government shutdown, 87% of government expenditures are still occurring. in other words, after the payments for entitlement and interest on the national debt

and essential personnel and services, only 13% of government expenditures remained subject to this partial government shutdown. no matter how much we cut the discretionary spending, it's not enough to bring the budget deficit for national debt under control, and we must address the main driver of our current financial crisis, mainly mandatory entitlement spending. members of this committee will no doubt agree with today's witnesses that this partial government shutdown is having a negative impact. beyond that, perhaps we can drop on the experiences are witnesses in balancing the budgets of their respective organizations. lessons that we can conclude on getting america in a sustainable fiscal path and i thank you, mr. chair. >> thank you, senator wicker. now, we had a pipeline explosion

in west virginia. and i remember you and people coming with you, spending a number of days trying to figure out the layers of pipelines and things that had been pipelined 50 years ago, but the explosion was absolutely devastating. you were absorbed by it. you are obsessed by it. he spent a lot of time on it. he flew down, you know, i'm just trying to say what you have to do in order to surmise that the crisis is and how it can be handled. you have mentioned other accidents as well. but can you give us some things that have come across your desk that have flat-out frustrated you because there is nothing you

could do it without a. and if you have so few people left actually on the job, they may not even be the people that you need when you go to a pipeline explosion or some other kind of exposure. they might keep the offers running or something. could you talk to us about that? >> sure. i think there is a near-term issues of things that we are not picking up. but there is also the longer-term issues of the accidents we have put on hold. your pipeline bill is one of those and we're working very hard to get that completed before the one-year anniversary as many other members have accidents we are working hard to get completed. it is choreographed to try to work in this work and multiple investigations are taking place in at the same time and they are working very hard to get that worked on and improve the safety of the traveling public. for the years we have been around, the ntsb has improved

the safety of the traveling public. but as far as the risks are concerned, if we don't go, we do not know. so we don't know one of the risks are that are not being covered if we do not launch. one of the most frustrating things for me, watching what has happened is that i have a workforce that wants to get back to work. it worked at the ntsb because they believe that what they do makes a difference and they improve transportation safety and they are calling and wanting to know if they can go. as a leader, that is one of the most difficult things to say to your employees who are committed to the jobs that they do and to tell them that they cannot do their job and that doesn't make any sense. >> i thank you. going from one question to

mr. leshner. >> okay, i have defined what i'm looking for. >> okay. >> unknown. [inaudible conversations] well, for the moment, rachel, could i go to you again. because you have just been clearly focused see all of the bottom feeding that other people do not. you see the human tragedy. we have spent a lot of time in this committee trying to protect children while all the way from what they see on television, privacy, all kinds of things.

and children just take children and the consumer product safety commission and things that that's sort, to bring them alive for the committee for what is not going to happen that is good for what could happen that is bad due to the shutdown. >> yes, sure, of course for children, some of the things that the jurisdiction is having a hugely detrimental as far as impacts, but in terms of the consumer product safety commission, 23 people are currently working at the commission. there is so much work that they are doing everything that they can do. there are no inspectors that the courts, especially at this time, which is before the holiday season. it is so important to have the inspectors who now have renewed resources as a result of this committee to be at the court to

evaluate whether the products contain excessive levels of lead or choking hazards or pose a strangulation risk. those of her unable to get their jobs and do that work. in terms of recall, only because that meet the high imminent threat to the public order to protect the property of the government are being conducted. we do not know what information we are not finding out. consumers are able to report information, but it's not being updated. so they are our incidents that even we don't know about that the public doesn't and they will not find out about those incidents that could affect safety of their children because of the information not being updated. >> thank you. we now go to senator wicker and

senator warner and senator nelson and senator begich and i won't depress anybody. >> thank you, mr. chairman. well, i think the testimony has been very compelling concerning the negative aspects of this government shutdown. let me say that captain cockburn, this has been the likelihood and a family-run business. this is a witty put groceries on the table for future families. and you are calling upon this in your testimony, you are asking the secretary of commerce to direct employees to fulfill the task you have already paid in torrents. you pay this with management and

uk these management costs for the cost recovery program. is that correct? spirit that is correct. >> a much do you pay? >> is a small percentage, but i know over the last seven years i think that it has run into the millions of dollars for the management. >> okay. >> it may interest the committee know that there are three house members -- that there are three members of congress that agree with your position as the secretary who has the authority to direct them to resume its activities. i hold in my hand a letter signed by lisa murkowski and also by don young and chairman doc hastings of the state of washington. it is a letter that i will has

to be included in the record at this time. >> soviet. >> to the secretary, taking the exact same position that you have taken that she has the authority under existing law to resume these activities and to get you back to work i would simply say i agree with you end up with your written and oral testimony that the secretary has the authority to do this and should do it. and let me move on to the madam. and this is really -- this is a comment to all. and i believe this in my opening statement. it seems that we have a new normal in the way that we do our budgeting. that we haven't had a budget for

four cycles now. the appropriations committee in the house and senate have different numbers to work with so we don't get the appropriation bills done. from our standpoint those on my side of the aisle feel that we don't get amendments. and therefore, it takes so much longer reach to reach unanimous consent agreements to bring these appropriation bills to the floor and we do not appropriate money in the regular order and when i was first chair, as a member of the house of representatives, the senate passed the appropriation bill and the house passed the appropriation bill and we didn't get them all done, but we had in the past and by and large we have at least half of them done for a good deal of the budget. so i would ask you. you mentioned this and you

alluded to this in your written statement. will you agree that we got back to the basic process of the budgeting in the regular appropriations process. this would be helpful to your agency, the agencies that organization works with and having predictability. >> absolutely. as you know, senator. when i actually had the privilege of working with you and others on the committee, in crafting a viable budget for several of the agencies that we work with closely now, but the two examples that i'm thinking of, it was viable to the terms with proposing a budget and understanding the views of both house and senate in 19 together on a budget that had the predictability and clear

guidance and we understood the priority that they had taken from the congressional concern and we are able to act on that. it is a very important thing because it gives clarity in government and i think it gives a clear understanding of what the taxpayers show their constituents. that is the way we used to do business. i certainly look at it from the outside working with these agencies. you'd give anything if we could but we really have the appropriations bill passed year after year. >> thank you very much. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, senator wicker. senator warner? >> thank you, mr. chairman. i agree that we need to address fiscal issues on both sides and i would remind her colleagues the senate passed a budget in the spring and we have 21 times for congress.

one times to have a budget in place. but to tell you that i really respect your testimony and your restraint. because if you're not mad, then i don't think you have appropriately expressed as a way the way that i feel in a lot of folks around the country feel. i have had calls by major companies in virginia, over 25 years, 5500 employees come a lot of government contracting. 30% of the employees have been laid off as an essential in the 70% and the 70% that have been essential are still not getting paid because the processors of the text. they are not in place. twenty-five years of work this denis is built to go down the drain because they could go

bankrupt if they don't get their payments. i ask is for the asked was for the issue of the record as well as idiocy and the threat of default and shutdown, not majority or minority, but short-term interest rates. in the last two days and what that is doing to every business in america. because of the irresponsible actions that are taking place. i would also say that one of the -- one of the incredible irony is that the house has passed a member of the senate and whatever final agreement will pass, the federal workers will get compensated. we will continue this and captain cockburn as well. the companies will market compensated. this company isn't going to get fully compensated. motel on skyline drive will not be compensated.

the remarkable thing in the frustration is that someone -- we are going to cost the taxpayer more money and pay the federal employees for starting and stopping complete lack of business sense from those who say you can stop and start and that doesn't cost more, it is so divorced from economic reality that it is stunning. we have seen signs recently that some may be willing to say that maybe we should not default next week. it is considered as progress. but what i don't understand is entering into negotiations. why in the heck would any rational person say in answer to the gentleman or the lady that

we should keep the government shutdown. anyone that suggests that we let one off as we've read about a tragedy, whether it's round harks or around vets for death benefits, for them to say that we have a tragic thing and we have to wait for some child to die because the drug was not expected to open the fda? because someone got that good from the fda or we read about that tragedy in tennessee last week and something else happens because you could not get inspectors out? that is not a responsible way to operate in enterprise like the united states government. and i mean, it is beyond comprehension that anyone would say keep this government shutdown because it might give

us more leverage. operate on this basis because when you see a tragedy, then maybe you will think that that part should be reopened, tell us what parts of the government you want to keep shutdown. lay out the items and let the american people know what is not essential. if not, maybe we should be permanently defunded. these are just the short-term implications. but the doctor, you know, we have all heard this term until inside. what we are doing is creating a cancer inside of our enterprise. what is happening with the nsf and what young scientist would join and want to apply to go into this field you do not have any predictability. the rest of the world is not breeding on america to get their

act together. they haven't stopped research or innovation while we do this. and i would say that we are going to do more with less. in this business. but this is part of the enterprise and you do not degrade your workforce and drive down the morale in the future means that you will have to do more with less resources and it is bad business. but that is an enterprise and bad business for our country. and i i guess i would only ask what does that say, let's keep the government shutdown, only negotiate at nottingham. , come tell this to captain cockburn and the city 500 person company in virginia that is potentially going to get into

bankruptcy in two weeks. so i appreciate the restraint of the panel. there's a lot of folks are not alone around the country that are showing the restraint. it may be a little but more than might be wanted at this point. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, doctor. certainly in the case of some of the companies affected. i do not appreciate the restraint of the companies because the restraint of the companies is not putting the real-life perspective in front of a small group of the house of representatives that is causing the shutdown, and let's go back and remember that this shutdown is not about deficits now. the shutdown was about defunding

obamacare. we need to remember how this thing started. and we have seen in living technicolor here today, we have seen examples all the way from transportation safety to consumer safety and going down the list and the captain is losing this not only by the passage of days up by foreign creditors coming in and taking his catch, as is the case is the loss of catches along the coast of the entire united states. look at the science projects that are not getting done. ma'am, i agree with everything you have said.

but when i have talked to your ceos and have asked them if they have gone and talked to the members of congress who are causing the shutdown, they have not. ..

>> talking about the effects of this very recently. but i can testify they are spending a great deal of time making certain both commercial effects what we have not touched on so far but those to compete in the global economy and aerospace the fact of the matter is we lose credibility and market share so it is critical.

>> you do not have to convince the white house i am glad the president who has tried to enlist your support to get your executives of each company and it is true as a result of the shutdown so many of the people that are targeted although employees put those ancillary small companies

that live paycheck to paycheck for payroll to pay rule that get hurt i met with two of your ceos last week they were not ready to step up to go talk to the leadership to allow the shutdown to continue. i said do you think defaults will have some consequences on your company? no, no, no. we will get activated but the fault is in an end another week and a half there we have been in the shutdown so i would implore you to activate your people. where are the people that are so affected at the johnson space center in houston where do they go to the delegation?

i could go through the nasa center. everything you say i agree with ms. blakey you need to put a fire under your executives. >> i just want to express gratitude for your public service i know it is difficult to have an enterprise matt but under the sequester it was terribly difficult as difficult as it is for me at home it is challenging to be there so thank you one on behalf of the committee i am concerned is something we have been talking about over

a number of weeks that remaining competitive with respect to the next generation could you offer some insight with professional decision making a young promising scientists may have to go through with respect what they do for a living? >> senator warner made the point very well we are already an a position losing science and our ability to attract the best and the brightest to join america's scientific community is getting harder and harder. as our competitors invest more and more coming those for the scientists who came here either stay where they

are or go to other places they see the tremendous stress of the american in to prise the average age for the first grant at the national science foundation is 37 when i got my ph.d. i could get my first grade debt 25 that means you cannot start your independent scientific career 12 years longer than i was able to. of those kinds of statistics are a direct result the difficulty people have to get grants. if we want to build for the future fed is the envy of all others we have to address these problems directly.

>> i have a question to the online certification function as they wait to provide service it is terribly reliable -- a reliable and expensive and could you say how that acidification function what kind of impact as but not just in hawaii but in general? >> something the faa is struggling with is the first responsibility is the operational safety of the fleet made to the passages around the country so they have the trade-offs between new activities in what is actually possible to do with the cutbacks of the sequester and with the

shutdown talk about personal only 200 are functioning obviously that does not go very far. >> was the backlog before we got to the shutdown? >> i don't but it is significant. i can look into it to be helpful with the specifics but i can also tell you that there is another aspect with the licensing the you cannot transfer the aircraft in the registry is shut down now. that is when every betty petals hard but now nobody is even opening the mail. so everybody has to reregister reregister if you do the math see where it

goes it is a very concerned a situation. >> senator? page you for you guys being here you get a sense of the frustration both republicans and democrats in it you question why are we here? capt., you don't want to be on solid ground you want to be on the way the waters that is an unusual event if i say one day i have a question for those people here we cannot recreate history. i hear the word over and over and get on with negotiations. we did that with a continue a resolution that democrats

had a number and when it was all said and done we agree with the number, $70 billion cut to the next year's budget. we agreed. we did dawn get anything. i know there is some revisionist history with families justin would people say we need to negotiate, we have. we need to open the government up for all the reasons of the testimony it is appalling to me to have you sit here because you should be taking care of your family you are stuck in a dysfunctional congress for people to say we cannot get the bills the budget passed

the senate and a past the house. yes there are different numbers because that is a process they you go to conference committee we have tried 21 times to get agreement to go to conference. no one on our side has a problem with said. but for what ever reason we cannot do it. let's not have revisited -- revisionist history any more. i get it if you are here my question is very simple. you talk about your impact but it is brodeur a and i enjoyed that you are very similar failing to produce the market share goes to somebody else. they actually look for us to fail. the above to get our

business from japan. it is worth hundreds of millions of dollars see your impact is not just you is that fair to say? >> absolutely. i would like to say i with they both the house and the senate the bia making a difference showing up today to ask ever ready to a sitting here to put a band-aid on the fisheries i appreciate that but will we get another band-aid for allocations or the sir program? at some point you run out of band-aids did you will need a tourniquet. i said because i am here on behalf of the fishermen and

crabbers for the economy to be good idea what russian pirated crab to be in the marketplace not only in japan but domestically. it is crazy and i feel like we put the russians to work and american fishermen out of work. thank you for the question. >> very good summary. you probably would say something similar. we're proud of the product the work that you did what you do now we have some of the best safety records anywhere in we understand the business when it comes to alaska's other art medea others because it is the highway in the sky moving us from place to place century

that the captain gets it out there it is that simple when you mention the satellite issue cannot throw a satellite any time it is a process. you don't just say we will go through with up it does not work that way is that a fair statement? >> they would echo that. [laughter] >> timing is everything but in the hundreds of millions of dollars then we had to figure out how to fund it because you cannot just build these overnight. but the last thing i have to

say is it is very frustrating because it seems to the american people it is not complicated just sit down in get on with the business. we said we wish you were more outraged you are doing very well but we would like for this to be a simple thing to do we will have differences but we have to solve these problems but like you said captain there's only so many band-aids in the box but as some point we put on the tourniquet and we may not be able to survive so with your comment is very clear. i thank you for being here to have this meeting and given what is important

about this. >> chairman also thank you to the senator for the segue to the issue of putting satellites into orbit we put a lot of work into mexico for the rest of the country. even hour private sector entities were candid glove with the department of energy in the week literally just had a launch that is a window that we have no best. if you take a moment to look at what the shutdown means for my state i know because of this we have 32,000 federal workers out of

2 million residents. we have thousands more as contractors we have thousands more 2007 contractors alone one retailer said in the paper recently we can catch a cold and that does not even touch on the fact the air force bases or the missile range or the national park by the national forest better not staffed in the middle of hunting season and millions upon millions of acres that cannot process also they are

not staffed in the middle of hunting season. so i would ask unanimous consent as the economist wards of another recession but the labs are about to shut down. even if the country does not go through a recession but to go through in the state of new mexico. >> i was surprised to hear the shutdown is about the debt and if we cannot get the debt ceiling increased who knows what will happen to register rates? the only outcome is we have more debt and higher debt because of that irresponsible behavior but

as our colleague brought up last week it was about obamacare that is easier to negotiate p.o. come if we knew what we were negotiating about. we have to realize how much damage we do to ourselves and i have one question asking the doctor to step back in time when he first got his career at and given the sense somebody getting fair ph.d. for the first time years at a university of looking at their career what kind of a message resending to science and universities across the country whether or not to go to work at the national review observatory or the department of energy labs?

>> sciences a continuous incremental process that has to go on overtime for a young person to think the career is stop and start to make it extremely difficult to see a real accomplishment over time because science has to be continuous. either that or you will lose it. but we are becoming more global. also at the same time we have national interest in the half to maintain that standing as well. >> if you simply cannot acquire data or long term reset -- research because of

the shutdown would impact does that have on science over the coming years? >> there is the interruption and the delay but on the of the hand many of those are totally dependent on continuity. a few have a break you might as well not have done the earlier part because they will only tell you the results as a function of a continuous process. although hit looks like a hiatus, it is said to but it means a owe k throw away beaches you won't have that continuous series of measurements. >> senator cantwell? >> i really wish our

colleagues on the other side would be here. but these are important the fact is on the american people and we hear how it is affecting business and i thought i was the only one waking up hearing from my colleagues on both sides a and it is permeating to their real story is fed back to us with those constituents hatter suffering greatly all because we won't open the government. i will most overwhelmed i'm afraid to go with my questions i could ask ms. blakey about aviation and the registry that means the planes cannot get delivered to customers can not get planes and the jobs

will be delayed. the information that i have about the fis -- faa and the radar system needs to be maintained over time to have complications or the weather buoys we have in the northwest are critical vital information against captain you could say we don't have to worry if we shut down but when they are fishing it is vital information last weekend we had a forecast for what was going on and you talk about the weather forecast to make a prediction for those who are familiar in the northwest to

know if a store with it in seattle and what needs to be done or if it was british columbia. we didn't have the information because people were not on the job. islet get this in my colleague says you can read a few letters and call an agency. but i can tell you people make decisions baspeople make decisions based on the interpretation of the law. we could disagree with it mike colleague tea and regional disagree with the logic of what lawyers have been advised the that is what they have said in -- in the shutdown happened so the crab fishery is closed.

i said there are so many people on the team would you sign? >> but they don't work for me. [laughter] >> but that is my point actually did while sitting listening to my colleague from mississippi that somebody did not get an amendment in the started to think about that picture but what about your vessel tossing around in the open ocean? you conceives the difficulty it has to operate under then you have to come back here to talk about how to get an amendment why the government is shut down and it is unbelievable to me we sit here you have to do this instead of doing the job that is already dangerous and treacherous to begin

with now you have to show up in washington d.c. that speaks about u.s. a person because you do dangerous task and tell us to get our act together. i want to ask about the issue because there is a false impression that it won't matter and at some point you could go catch the fish like it want to matter if there's some piracy between now and when the fisheries open that they will be caught when you mention the $500 million loss in 2003 talk about the coast guard in the people who were helping you but now with the difficulty of the shutdown this impact of piracy in we will roll into business it will hurt the

fishery is not fixed into the next 48 or 72 hours? back even if they do because it is fee based able to do you get back contract but we will look at the three or four days from the start date and that is a given. but i will be honest and then what i do is a dangerous job. i immerse give their adjusted data in this room. [laughter] but when mr. did to hear about weather forecast in the lot of things that

impact us on the air the show that mckesson from north dakota and where did that blizzard go? alternately i am concerned to fat-free civic they have a very complex set of missions if in the organization has been and must to do many things of the resources is the coast guard ballot is another 35%. so it is challenging if we don't get the government to

open to continue to focus on the piracy. >> thank you mr. chairman. senator? >> i want to join to think the chairman for having this hearing as a low as the because i was buying a cup of coffee so i kottich but i heard about one of the polls

that shows the american people actually have risen in their opinion, a favorable opinion of what the government does. not necessarily the congress that i think understandably has diminished in popularity but a greater appreciation for what the united states ever meant to us and put those set for doing their job when people go into a fast-food restaurant there will be oversight does those june to go on for of they