there a lot of problems with christine o'donnell. unfortunately they weren't talked about in the primary. they should. how do you -- [laughter] >> guest: there were a whole age of problems. she hasn't paid her taxes and there were all sorts of things. that didn't get brought up. but senator mcconnell is taking his primary and particularly the general seriously as he should. i think any poll thaition either

party that takes their reelection or candidacy for granted is making a mistake in the environment. look, democrats have spent years rally against senator mcconnell for being conservative. you're going to have a hard time convincing voters he's not a conservative. she's been there for many years and he's done a great job. >> guest: because she's a democrat and vote for harry reid to be the majority leader instead of mcconnell. he would support fixing the president's health care prament and not repealing it. i have to tell you mcconnell did the right thing for the country last week. i hope it doesn't hurt him. but he did and should be surprised are in. >> guest: he undercut the central premise of his democratic opponent's campaign. she's been running on a platform calling him dr. grid locke saying he's responsible for the mess in washington. he helped get it done to prevent our country from going over the cliff.

>> host: it is one we'll be continuing to watch closely. we go to david from glen cove, new york on the line for republicans. good morning. >> caller: good morning. yes, thank you for taking my call. i had couple of comments. one was that he said something about there was no leverage. i thought that the republican had the leverage and the negotiations by just shutting down the government. that was the leverage. you could have rubbed their nose in it. made them look like a big problem for the country with the debt. and they got cut the spending. they have to create the jobs. they have to get people back to work. how they thought they didn't have any leverage i don't know. if everybody is worried about an election. nothing is going to get done.

people are going stay unemployed. it's going to be a new norm. they enact a medical social plan that nobody can afford. it's crazy. >> host: republican fumble the leverage here? >> guest: we did. what is unfortunate from my perspective as a is republican we could have achieved some smaller victories. probably. we might have achieved a one-year delay. we could have repealed the medical device tax which is costing thousand of jobs. we could have achieved the smawmer victory. the idea we were going to one, on quote, unquote defunding obamacare. let's keep in mind obamacare with the shut down was moving forward anyway. you can't -- you have to repeal the law to get rid of it. but defunding it did nothing to do with the mandate or the e graying use aspect of the bill. to get rid of it you need to win the senate and the white house. as we saw with the government shut down it didn't stop obamacare from moving forward.

>> host: donna on twitter. too many people spew too many talking points. anyone have any facts out there? i never see anything like it before. and donna's tweet brings me to this piece by dylan in "politico" quoting "new york times" executive editor talking about the shut down. he said, once again a horse race coverage of politics on friday telling cbs this morning that such coverage of on display throughout the government shut down despite the fact no one won. steve mcmahon, talk about the race coverage. did the fact of life -- >> guest: it is fact of life. and jill is a great journalist. should be looking at her on newspaper. "the new york times" was among those that was covering it like it was a horse race. just like over media outlet. to some degree of it a horse race. most people in washington know what bryan said, which is, you know, ted cruz was tilting at

the windmill the whole time. the fact is that obamacare was the law of the land, and 90% or of the funding for obamacare was built to the law. was no way to defund it. you had to pull it out root and all, as republicans like to say. ted cruz was hecks steer that perhaps lived in the town for a long time. he knew from the beginning there was no chance it would be successful. and that even if it were successful, you know, the republicans pass their defunding bill, even if the senate had joined them in passing the defunding bill. it still wouldn't have gotten defunded. 90% was already baked in. cruz was the carnival barker, he was the giseleing the shiny object. it actually exist. it's one of the reason why ted cruz in a republican caucus right now in the senate is the most unpopular senator and within the whole united states senate. he's unpopular. he's standing -- he didn't come here to make 99

new friends. it's a damn good thing. he hasn't made one in the place where he works. >> guest: on the horse race coverage. the quote was it fair for republicans? the coverage? >> guest: i think it was generally fair. look, we shot ourselves in the foot. we shouldn't have gone through the strategy. many of the republicans have been warning ahead of the time it was a strategy with the predetermined outcome, and we could have achieved some smaller victory. unfortunately you had a few folks in congress in particularly outside conservative groups who made a lot of money in pushing this strategy. and that is what is unfortunate here. i feel like conservatives around the -- country were mislead. it's not just folks in washington. for the folks who may be looking to run for president on the republican side, i would point out the man cheer union leader, the leading newspaper has a conservative editorial board spoke out against the strategy and called it a my take. there were conservatives around

the country warning about this. unfortunately they went unheeded. >> guest: one more caller in the segment. jim is from tennessee on the line for independents. jim, good morning. >> caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. >> host: go ahead. >> caller: as an independent i good to look at the picture and not worry about what the two parties think. i looked at the history where reagan worked with o'neal very well. they were very different people. clinton worked with grinch very well. they were two different people. it appears that presently obama and boehner are not working very well. and the leader of the country is the president. harry truman had a great -- one of the only few things i remember about harry truman was the placard he had on the desk. ii can't remember when obama has taken the blame for anything.

every time something happens, whether it's benghazi the, the irs, the shut down -- every time something happen he blames somebody else. and i'm waiting to see this morning who he's going blame for the three years of wasted time they couldn't get obamacare going. >> host: that speech happening at 1125 this morning. in the last minute. >> guest: bryan wants him to fire somebody and the caller wants him to take the blame himself. i suspect he's going it take the blame himself and say we weren't ready and we should have been. we'll fix it. >> guest: i think yesterday on face the nation. mcconnell made the same point. there are opportunity. we passed welfare reform because clinton and the house republicans came together. there's opportunity here to enact real reform. i think we need presidential leadership. >> o'neal could deliver votes so

could ginch. he couldn't deliver to congress. so that's a big difference. a democratic strategies. bryan, republican strategies with works with -- we appreciate you for getting up and joining this morning. thank you. on the next "washington journal."

north carolina governor was at the heritage town daights on monday talking about challenges facing state including whether or not to expand medicare under the affordable care act. this is a little less than an hour. [inaudible conversations] good morning. welcome to the heritage foundation. would you please join me in welcoming our special guest, the governor of north carolina. and becky norton the external relation vice president at the heritage foundation.

lady and gentleman. [applause] hopefully microphones are working and we'll start. test them out. >> very good. >> these mics and you'll give us the sign. okay. well, welcome, welcome, welcome to the heritage foundation. one of the thing we love do at the heritage foundation is brie reformers to the auditorium. it's a great thing to be a reformer and use principles, conservative pribs. -- principles the founder of principles to dot reforms. today we are introwght -- brought to our state the reformer. the governor of north carolina the 74th governor of the great state. he serve as the mayor of charlotte.

his experience there. he also served on the city council in addition to that he's a great record for the private sector. he worked for duke energy for quite a few years. and sales consulting for are private sector company and strategic initiative. all of these things do a good job of preparing someone to be the governor of the tenth largest state in the country. welcome, governor. [applause] thank you. thank you very much. good to see so many young people too, it's great. >> thank you. governor, we're going have a conversation here today. there are so many things on my list. we'll just start through it and try to keep an eye on the clock so we have a few minute left for questions. tell us a little bit, if you will, first of all, about your governing prince presidents. what go you think about when you think about governing a state as

large and diverse as north carolina. >> one principle may surprise you. i bring it from the private sector that i don't think we talk about in state capitol or washington, d.c. that is operations. one of the things that people forget about is executive of the tenth largest state in the united states of america not enough focus is put on operational issues. everyone, including the immediate why, attempt to talk about policy and politics. but i think one of the major challenges of the country and many states is how do you get the work done in an efficient and effective way. we're seeing that with obamacare right now. that debate about obamacare was primarily about policy, which is a good debate on both sides of the issue. but there was very little discussion about how is it going to be implemented? what are the detail of implementation? what is it going cost? what are the ramification? i see that state governor also is that when i came in to office

in jan of this year, 80% of my cabinet meetings were about operational issues. some of our civil protections were state workers and how do you reward good state workers? how do you, frankly, deal with state workers that might not be doing a good job? how do you deal with transportation issues? is the policy really based upon where do we need the roads? or is it based upon the politics of road building? therefore, we have to think about the operational issues. we have budget issues from an operational standpoint. i'm a budget directer in the audience, in fact, we have many budget issues. are we really dealing with the true budget issues of the day? are we doing true accounting of what the unfunded liabilities are on the books and off the books? those are operational issues that executives are dealing with in fortune 500 companies every day. frankly, i think we, you in the heritage foundation and us in

government need to be talking about operational issues. the other two basic -- two or three basic things require for my cabinet. one is ethics. it's imperative. it was the first requirement. we must do what is right. the second requirement that i have is we have to work as a team. there can't be any turf among my cabinet team. we have to work as one team in a most effectively and efficient operation as possible. and the third is, initiate policy that have a long-term impact on the state. not just an impact for the next cycle. but an impact for generations to come. that don't just put band-aids on short term fixes but are long-term fixes very complex problems that all of us are dealing with. so very competitive world. >> that sounds like a -- given in a business school. thank you for those. >> we should be -- we should be thinking like business people but also realize

we're in a tough political environment. at lough times, again, we don't think about the operational issues. i encourage -- especially the young people put your operational skills in the place in some of your thinking. >> of course, your shareholders, so it speak are the taxpayers. >> not only that. they are customers. they're customers. we're doing a total review of dmv what better area than dmv to think about as a retail customer when you walk to dmv what is your first impression as to wait ab hour and 45 minutes to get a simple renewal of the driver's license? it's the first impression of government. we're doing a total business retail assessment of dmv we hope to have major announcements coming january or february time period. we're going restructure how you gate driver's license in north carolina and hopefully make it more customer-friendly experience. >> that sounds exciting. you also are kind of at the cuss

-- cusp of an history tyke time. for the first time in over 100 years you have a republican governor and republican majority in the state house the delegates and the senators. how is that kind of changed the outlook about how your party, your administration go about doing business? enter well, i still have the same parameter on whether it be republican or democrat. i still have the parameter of ethics, long-term solutions, and breaking down the barriers. and political turf. whether you're one party or not, you still have some of the issues that you have to deal with. but it's been great working with a team. and i'd say, in my first nine months in office, we got 80% of what we wanted from republican house and senate. which was a pretty good track record. there were some things where i disagreed. tax reform, for example, we initiated the most dynamic tax

reform we saw in this nation. the past four or five years. we were the only state in the nation that did tax reform. it wasn't easy. because i had some people on one side in my senate primarily, who wanted to institute tax reform. i didn't think their numbers added up. as a conservative, i want to make sure that the numbers add up. i want to do true accounting. and make sure we have a balance budget in the long run. while also trying to stimulate the economy. so i had to require them to comprise. i had to comprise some, but in doing so, we came up with a pragmatic reasonable tax reform which, frankly, stepped on the -- toes of everyone a little bit. we knew we to change not only become competitive with the nation and the world. but i have to beatniky hey -- next door to me. we have good republican governors that are my friends and competitors. and we're fighting for jobs against each other. in doing so, i'm going respect

what virginia, tennessee, and south carolina are doing, as i told nicky, a good friend of mine. we're going beat you for jobs. she thinks the same way. we act as though we are private sector competitors. we're also partners in energy. >> yeah. it sounds to me, though, correct me if i'm mistaken. it sounds to me, first of all, you actually are personally, deeply engaged in coming up with solutions working with the legislative branch, which perhaps washington can take a few lessons from. and secondly, that you have the view that principle cannot be comprised but preferences are where question work out our differences? >> absolutely. you work within a philosophy. within the philosophy, you know, you have to get -- [inaudible] and i asked her, with my legislature, foy cussed on primarily three areas. the economy, education, and government efficiency. frankly, everything outside that area, i didn't put a lot of inattention to.

i had certain state rep and senators that focused on other thing. they need to. i want to focus as an executive branch on the economy, education, and government efficiency. in doing so, i asked for tax reform and we help present the major plan for tax reform. we asked for transportation reform. we initiated the first transportation reform since 1988. it we asked for state personnel reform. i got about 30% what we really need. we asked for major reform in commerce. so much confusion in the commerce department in dealing with customers new and existing customers. we had all the middle people involved. we need to streamline. in fact, we're going privatetize part of the commerce department. what some say is radical change. i think it's pragmatic change. i'm proud of that. >> that sounds exciting. tell us about the commerce

department reform. >> you know what was happening? we had a lot of different departments that were set up many years ago for good reasons. we had a rural center, whether he a biotech center, the charlotte regional -- which is where i was as mayor. we had all the different groups working for commerce. but not in a coordinated effect. i had at -- a lot of overhead. the customer was confused when they came to north carolina. who do we talk to? they had to talk to the different groups no one person was in charge. i don't think that's good customer service. so we're putting all of these people under one umbrella and also privatizing the marketing of north carolina. and make it responsive to the customer and those who are the private sector of my commerce department they'll be rewarded. they'll be paid for that. but it's going based upon results. not based upon a kind of civil

service mentality. >> that sounds very exciting. let me turn quickly, since you're talking about economic growth and thicks like that to transportation. you know, we think as conservatives in government has a very few responsibilities for what responsibilities they have they should do well. to allow people in goods and services to move around not only the commonwealth, but or the state, but the nation is a responsibility. so tell us about your transportation reform. >> well, first of all, i kind of consider myself -- i'm an infrastructure fan. i believe government has a major role in infrastructure to support the private sector. and i consider myself kind of an eisenhower republican. in fact, i don't think we as republicans talk about dwight david eisenhower enough. not only was he a great ally and supreme commander during world war ii and american hero. he was a great president for two terms.

what he did was bring about a vision of infrastructure for the future. he conducted rural with urban with the highway system. and the east and the west with the highway system which we're still enjoying today. to me, that was well-spent federal money. but with a vision connecting the economy and commerce with government's responsibility for infrastructure. and here, after the 1950s when he was president, he was president when i was born -- we're still seeing the result of that. now, i took that same philosophy as mayor of charlotte. i -- introduced the 1996 1996 25-year infrastructure plan. they're in the 18th or 19th year of the plan. and it it's showing results bhap we did was we show the taxpayers exactly what the plan was before the taxpayers were asked to invest in it. what i want to go for the state of north carolina is present a 25-year -- even 50-year infrastructure plan

in four areas. transportation, energy, water, and communications. but we -- i think, we as republicans we as conservatives need to present vision for the next generation. a vision of where is our transportation going it take us? how is it connect commerce and trade to jobs? and show that plan in 3-d. this is the plan for the next 50 years. for your kids and your grand kids. then we need to dot same thing with communications. especially in rural areas. rural america is hurting right now. the unemployment rate is 25%. small rural towns in north carolina and throughout the united states. we have got connect them to the economic center of the world, much less our state. one way to do that is through

communications. and other type of infrastructure. same thing is with energy. if we do not have cheap and reliable energy in our country, in the future, we're going suffer. that's what help build manufacturing, our nation. right now i have no idea what our energy plan is for a nation. i think part of my job is to present an energy plan for the state of north carolina. i plan to do that. >> we know it's exciting. in all of these areas there's much of the private sector can do to come alongside, you know, government ideas like this. to provide the goods and services people need. do you envision the private sector playing a role in any of the transportation ideas? and obviously, in energy, that would be -- >> absolutely. in fact, the private sector from trucking firms to infrastructure firms -- they want to be able the table. i think they are incredible opportunities for public/private cooperation.

and public/private partnership and the building of new roads. it shouldn't be all government. it should be incentive for the private sector to build them quicker, faster, and have the hot lanes where money is paid in certain ways and governor danielles did this in indiana. we're looking at certain ways to share a private/public sector risk in future infrastructure. most companies know that if you do not have the infrastructure for the future, they're not going move here. you have to have the port, you have to have the highway, so you to have the rail. and this is what stays for generations. the biggest mistake, i think, in administration made, and i said it in the "the wall street journal" editorial when i was mayor. was with the stimulus money, which was almost $1 trillion in stimulus money. most people think it was spent on infrastructure. when in fact, very little was spent on infrastructure. at least roosevelt and

eisenhower, democrat and republican spent money on infrastructure that is still with us here today. what we did during the last six years was we put money on short term infrastructure. repaving roads or widening the road a will believe the. the -- the money is gone. it's borrowed money which your kids and grand kids are going to be paying for many years to come. it would have been an excellent opportunity to show a vision for the future and invest that money, which would stay while you pay the debt. now you're paying the debt on poet -- potholes that have to be refilled again. that's basically what i said in the "the wall street journal" article six or seven years ago. sadly it's come fryings. >> as we talk about transportation being important economic development, so too is an educate -- citizens. talk to me a little bit about the education reform that you have advanced that put in place

you see ahead. >> one of the first policy i talked about when i ran in '08, i lost the gubernatorial election in '08 during the presidential election time. but i stressed then there's not enough emphasis on vocational training and technical and math and science training. right now i think one of the biggest danger the united states of america is there's no one to replace the baby boomers who are engineers or technicians at this point.

i think another pathway to success is get a two-year technical degree or certification. similar to something you see in germany in the last 25 years. it's well-respected. it's seen as press pretentious, and i think we need to do the same thing in america and our economy has to have it. companies have to have the next generation. understand hdac system. understand how to fix things, repair something, innovate something. we're not talking about that. i think we got caught up in a little academic elitism. thinking that everyone had to have a master's degree. the economy doesn't need everyone to have a master's degree. you have to have vocational training. >> we need the "the master" plumbers and electricians. >> i used to tell a story i had a person come in and put wood floors down in the house. he's working the tail off.

have you ever seen someone do it? it's a science. it's a science. and after working on a hot day at my house he put it down and i was a college boy saying why don't you stay over for dinner? why don't you have dinner with me? i'm going eat dinner at my house on lake norton. that's a pretty nice place to live. he deserved it. he a skill in which the market needed. so that's one area of education reform. the first bill i signed as governor was a vocational career path degree for high school students a curriculum for high school students which they have a choice four year college curriculum or vocational curriculum. and, by the way, you can change your mind. one curriculum is not easier than the other. they just different. they're different.

we should respect each one. >> i think an important point underscore not only are the emphasizing the option but student and their parents can make different choices as students mature and change their idea and the mind. that's huge. >> fact, you know, a lot of people start vocational training end upstarting a business. they might end up getting a college degree and master's degree or law degree to help them run a business they started. things happen in different orders. heck, i have seen a lot of four-year college students go back to a two-year school. i have a niece that graduated from east carolina university and went back at the nursing degree at the vocational school. it doesn't have to happen in the order that we seem to think that the institutions require. the market might demand it.

>> you done some things to help students failing? >> no doubt. we have to start measuring results. one of the first thing we did in the budget -- i'm proud of it. even at the university and the two-year community colleges, is that we ought not pay government funds to school based upon how many students they have. but what are the results? what are the results of reading and math and basic skills? and their graduation record? but also the result of getting those kids jobs not just debt but jobs. what we did, for example, with the two-year community colleges. we changed the formula a little bit. we reward the classes that cost more, that have a smaller volume of kids or students in those classes. but they about 100% job placement rate. we shouldn't punish them for

that. because it costs more. so we put in technical training funds or smaller classes that have higher job placement. we ought to think the same outcome the for our elementary schools or middle schools and high schools. so we're thinking long-term. >> and how about the tuition tax credit citizenship -- scholarship funds in place? >> several things. i'm a big promotor of charter schools. which, by the way, most people don't know are public schools. i think there's a lot of mischaracterization of charter schools. charter schools are public school schools. we also have a voucher system. i could it a scholarship system. those kids, especially who cannot get their needs met due to the public school maybe not having what they need, and so we doing a lot of different things. and we also want to do pay for

performance for our teachers. institute an system and get feedback -- in the last two weeks i'm putting together a teachers' committee which will help me -- government come up with the idea on how to we reward good teachers? and all of us go to school, the principles, students, and other teachers know who the good teachers are. everyone knows the good teacher. everyone who knows is the bad teacher. it's the easy teacher. we all do it in high school. we know it in college. we need reward the good teachers. we want to pay for the performance for the high school and elementary schools. we also -- i think, need to start paying our math and science teachers more money based upon the market. they tend have a higher attrition rate. it can change by year in and year out. i was a recruiter power for the power company. sometimes you pay the

electricity more than -- as i understand it from some of our allies around the state, it's getting critical review, and perhaps some reexamination. is that something that your education team is taking look at? >> i'm actually an advocate of common core as a concept. especially with the emphasis on math and science. if we do not get better in math and science basic rating in the nation.

the problem is implementation and testing. right now in north carolina, there are over 100 tests that have to be give by teachers and they're now only testing teaching bay test. i think that's far too many tests. i think 13 more were added due to the race to the top federal grants that were extended and one of the reasons north carolina got that was because these new tests of common core. i'm aned a so -- advocate of common core. you can't ask teachers to do only test. i think the problem is not common core. the problem is often in the implementation of the common core and thinking this way instead of bigger picture. >> i'm a virginia. we are exeat five in education. -- competitive in education. we think our standards are better than the national standards. so be careful! we like competing with you. >> i have no problem with the national standards. but the state should determine their standard. but i'm typical telling you

right now every state standard should be worldwide standards that get better math and science. it is no -- it's not something that heritage takes lightly. we watch the district of columbia education system, and we see firsthand so here that many young children's are forced to go to schools that are failing and not safe. >> and you had a superintendent and, frankly, a mayor pushing for higher standards and demanding results of the teachers and the principals and they kicked them out. >> yep. >> which is a sad commentary. >> right. competition is good. i think -- >> competition is the best thing for education. by the way, i'll tell you another thing that will change competition. this right here. this and the ipad. for any type of device.

it's going connect the rich with the poor. you can take chemistry class on the ipad. you can poor chemicals through a semilation -- simulation in the ipad. legislation change in the future it won't be about brick and mortar. using technology, that means we don't depend technology biitself. we need to facility the technology. if the public education doesn't recognize this quick enough, the private sector will. and it will go around public sector. georgia tech, for example, now offering just three or four weeks ago offered courses for half the price through technology than they offer on campus. believe me, kids are going do

that if they can save their student debt. the marketplace is going to look at technology much more aggressive way in a short period of time. >> okay. let me shift gears once again and talk a little bit about medicaid expansion. [laughter] this is obviously a challenge and again, heritage has been active in research in this area. i know, that some of the experiences you have had in north carolina might provided some lessons, let's say, that one can learn at the state level about these expansion and reforms. >> first of all, you have to understand medicaid expansion is part of the obamacare legislation. in fact the supreme court ruling that came out of washington was 4, 4-1. the one vote was really the chief justice roberts.

i knew i couldn't meet.

the current obamacare couldn't hajtdz -- handl medicate. by the way, my state ended up being over $500 million over projections set forth by my previous legislature from the previous governor. over $500 million. other projection. that's out a $20 billion budget. it's a big hit. there went all of my teachers raises right there. infrastructure. so the medicaid expansion is -- i think, the most difficult issue on the governor's plates right now. let tell me the other issue we're having. that is that the rules and standards weren't written. in fact, even in the last four or five weeks with the administration is sending us new rags on medicate. and no one is talking about it. we just got new rag, which might, in fact, force us to do medicaid expansion whether we want to or not in the upcoming

year. a new rag came out five weeks ago that said if a person goes to the hospital and say they cannot pay for it, and they might not even qualify for medicaid, they can still sign up for medicaid even if they're not under one of the four or five characteristic of a medicaid recipient. if they do that, the hospital head, and that person can bill the state of north carolina for two months. after two months if the state finds out they did not qualify for medicaid thank, they will be taken off medicaid. the state has to pay for the two months. that is two months of tests, services, that we did not have budgeted. so it's almost around that the 441 vote by the administration, which sate the state has to take 100% of the responsibility. now industry to make a decision. the fed said they'll give it to

me for free for three years. but after the third year, we will have to pay 10%. one of the reasons i didn't do that because i didn't know what 10% of what. 10 percent of what? we had no idea what the future cost would be. but now that the new rag has come in, i'm in a difficult position of what decision to make. we check the constitutionality of it, our lawyer say the administration has every right to do what they're doing. even based upon the supreme court. i'm just surprised. >> yeah. >> but these are the difficult parameters of obamacare right now they're still being rolled out. frankly, haven't been discussed in enough publicly. all the publicity has been on the computer system, which everyone knew wasn't going to work. i've got my own computer system that i inherited that had been delayed year or two by my previous administration. i'm having a heck of a time with a rollout of a state-wide system

for health care. and the minute we looked at that, my first two or three weeks, i actually said there's no way the federal government can do this. i think, frankly, behind the scenes everyone knew there was going to be an operational break down. full circle. >> i must say you have outstanding members of your house congressional district who have been really trying to point out some of these challenges. >> tom till lis, speaker of the house has done an outstanding job. he's run for the senate now. he's on the campaign trail. he comes from ibm and understands operations. so much of our discussions were about is issues. another basic operational issue was that the administration and state government which were the democrats they were under funding basic maintenance and buildings.

i. s. system. sooner or later it catches up to you. it's easy to build a new building, worry about operations later. but believe me, sooner or later your roof raises. [inaudible] >> those things wear out. i'm sure. >> they wear out. you mess around with capital and operating and transfer cost between the two which are basic accounting no no. it catches up to you sooner. >> listen, one of the big constituencies in a north carolina is the constituency that is really forpt all americans. that's the military. talk to us a little bit about some of the challenges you face with such a large number of people serving in the military and the challenges that brings. >> it's a challenge but i see it as an opportunity. as we withdrawal from afghanistan and iraq, you're going to have a lot of military people with technical skills and leadership skills at industry is going to be seeking.

so we're setting up, in fact one of the reasons i'm in town. i'm meeting with the u.s. army, and we're going to be setting up job training prak programs. when the returning veterans come back. we can use them as recruitment tools for industry existing and new industry to return back to the private sector. and one of the things we know we have to do is some of them already know how to fix a car or fix a truck or fix a computer system. or do welding but they haven't got the certification. what we're trying to cois can we jump through the hoop of the bureaucracy and have some of the military people just test out? instead of going through the process of having to sign up for courses, which they can easily do in their sleep because they have been doing it underfire in iraq or afghanistan. why do they have to go through the courses? we're looking at ways question test them out. we tested out with truck

drivers. we're kind of doing a speedup certification for truck drivers returning from the military. we can place them immediately in the job that has are open in north carolina. >> one of the other places we have heard that area of interest is in teaching spofm these veterans are excellent teachers in could move to a classroom. is that something? >> absolutely. not only for veterans but we think of the private sector. i actually have my teaching degree. >> oh. >> my goal was to be a teacher. and in the private sector i was actually manager of training for the utility company. so i did teach -- adult teaching. but right now, for me, to go back to teaching i'd have to go through a lot of different hoop to recertify my teaching degree. i think i'm pretty qualified. >> i think so. >> in civics at least and a little bit of history. [laughter] and we need to -- especially easier for engineer,

math, people coming from private sector return from teaching or goat teaching. put them through what we typically require of a college guard -- grad. >> right. it's been wonderful. i wonder if you would mind taking couple of questions. >> i would be honored. >> we have a couple of microphones. andrew, i'll let you identify a questioner for us. please, identify yourself. >> governor, hi, my name is a danielle i'm a reporter. >> what? >> talking points memo. i was wondering for you talk about the voter id law. which is getting a lot of attention right now. and really what your take on the lawsuit is. it seems like this is the second in a number of lawsuits that the obama administration wants to put on states related to the preclearance standard. i was wondering for you could respond to nap maybe address how your administration plans to approach it.

especially with rory planning to run for governor and as a democrat. he said he wants to follow your lead on this. >> well, first of all, i think ther rick holder's lawsuit is both political and without merit. our laws that greatly exaggerated by "the new york times" and other publications that are common-sense laws which we require government issued id which over 32 states current -- currently do in the united states of america. i notice didn't sunni of the 32. we have the exact number of early voting our -- hours open which the national media didn't talk about as we did before. we're trying to take some of the politics where you place the early voting which was extremely political. in fact, new york, does not have i didn't recall vote -- early voting. north carolina does. i noticed erick holder is not suing the state of new york.

we have even more transparency in our voting rules. now we're prohibiting leadershippist -- lobbyists from bundling money to be the bunked leer of money. we are stricter rules for lobbyist that are often not mentioned. the list goes on and on and on. we require a voter idea to get a tattoo to be get sudafed, food stamps to be get on an airplane, to get almost any government service in north carolina right now. you have to have an id. and -- our legislation is actually offering free ids. and the first election in which you have to have these idea in place is 2016 election. so the people have three years -- , by the way, we still have early voting and voting by mail, which you can do early voting. which you don't need an id on. somebody can do it from a

nursing home through the mail at this point in time. i think the voting id law by the local media in north carolina has been greatly exaggerated and common sense reform. which protects the integrity of our ballot box. i want to ask about tax policy. i'm interested in your idea about tax reform in new jersey. scott and steve who have worked for or closely with heritage over many years have a piece in

the "the wall street journal" about the difficulty of tax reform at the federal level, pray marely because the complexity it's going to be scored. >> i've been through it. >> i know. and i'm interested in how in north carolina how you intend to get through the barriers to show the incredible economic growth that can come from lowering tax rates. even though with static scoring that's hard for budget people. >> first of all, i've never met a liberal or conservative who is against tax reform until it hit the one tax break they might get. and say this liberals and conservatives can be rather hypocritical of this. some of my opposition of tax reform came from both sides of the aisle. i'm all for tax reform. you better not touch that. because it might have been an interest group they were close to. it might have been a law school -- loophole that was associated

with their business or the. search for tax reform until t their loophole we might close. so we now have a sales tax on movie theaters. make up for the income tax that we reduced. by the way, we have a tax on newspapers now. maybe that's one reason newspapers are mad at me. i don't know. they haven't brought up the conflict. we have a tax on newspaper. it's more of a consumption tax as foes -- as opposed to a tax punishing productivity. and i'm an advocate of rewarding

productivity. that's the type of tax philosophy i have. so you to sell that. i'm -- i've had my most conservative man say i'm for that. but i can't believe you choiced that tax law school hole on my my law firm. we did you're not going have any clients if you don't have any businesses in north carolina. >> okay. >> just to let you know. you have to sell the long-term impact not the short term. >> we like that idea of encouraging people to -- do you have --

and inland drilling. and i encourage while in d.c. here to support governor mcdonnell and myself to allow us begin the process off the atlantic coast for natural gas and oil. >> there are so many things we didn't get to. first of all, let me say we would love to have you come back. and, you know, do another agenda. let me just ask you a couple of quick questions as we wrap up. you have economic growth in north carolina thingses have turned around a bit and are you feeling good? >> the rate has gone down 16%. we were the third highest unemployment rate in the country. most people don't realize that. we are the six highest now. t not good enough. i want to be the sixth lowest. that would be the visionary goal. north carolina we have to unleash the resource. our energy resources, our manufacturing resource, our talent, our university, our ag,

and we have to start treating our people as customers and not adversary. >> one final question. nascar. >> i'm a big nascar fan. we only had one wreck at tal -- tal and. >> you been to the nascar hall of fame. >> i. in charlotte. everyone should visit it. most people know what they see on television or read in the headlines the sports page. and they never really get to the understanding. >> well, let me tell you from a business perspective why i'm a fan of nascar and jimmi johnson and dale jr. are great people. bryan, get well as soon as possible. the private sector jobs of nascar. you go machine shop, first of all, you can eat off the floor.

you have a ton of engineers, you have engine builders. what is happening as mayor and governor i'm using that work force to recruit the automobile industry and the defense industry. because they can repair things quickly. notice how quick they repair after a wreck? >> thank you for coming. thank you very much. [applause]

[inaudible conversations] the head of the u.s. chamber of commerce said that even though the chamber does not want democrats to win back the house in tbowrt -- 2014 his organization has not decided whether or not to challenge incumbent republicans. here is a little what he said at the christian science monitor. our first deal is sequential

is 2014 is the house. let me be saying we don't do presidential politic. let me say something it sounds like presidential politics. on behalf of the american business community, given a choice i would not like to see this administration with the white house, the senate, and the house. i think it would be a long two years. and so you could be sure that we'll be very vigorous in the house. we'll also participate in the senate, we'll support some people's discomfort, number of democrats in both houses. to help and support the american business community and help our country when it's in trouble. >> cathy?

hi. [inaudible] >> could you give me a sense of the timeline? what evaluation of the landscape are you expecting? when? and when will you pull the trigger on saying this is the depth we're go? this is how vigorous we're going? and finally, what is the funding level? you're saying you need. we need two times, three teems what we've in the past. >> the honest answer, sometime next year. we have -- [inaudible] we'll start. we have nine regional public affair task forces that make recommendation up to a national public affair task force that consolidate and make the recommending to the chamber's board. the board meeting isn't until essentially end of february, early march. to the earlier point, we are doing internal research here and on the ground. we're obviously going share that information with those task

forces as well as gain their own, and that process will start in the first quarter. we haven't even had an endorsement meeting yet. >> firing up to do that? >> we have expanded our regional field staff by 3 up from about 14, and we have got about 3 more planning we plan to hire shortly. we will, approach these races based on the experience that we gained last time around. which we do regularly. and so we're expanding, as bruce indicated, our staff on the ground. we will further expand it. we will use -- we will continue our effort of engaging state and local chamber at the more aggressive level than in past years. we will hire some consult assistant who are needed and we will spend what takes. in a minutes a debate

between the candidates for detroit mayor. in an hour a national press club speech by actor and gay rights advocate. after that a discussion about effort people to register and sign up for insurance under the new health care exchanges. ♪ what is the most important issue congress should consider in 2014? make a five to seven minute

documentary showing various point of view. be sure to include c-span video. it's taupe all middle and high school students with a grand prize of $5,000. this year we double the number of winners and total prizes. entries are due by january 20, 2014. more information? visit student cam.org. mike wouldn't primary as a write in candidate. briefsly he was president and ceo of the detroit medical center. his opponent is wayne county sheriff. this is about an hour. ♪ from cbs 62, this is a special michigan matter. the 2013 mayorial debate. ♪ . >> hi, welcome to a michigan matter special presentation. the great debate.

detroit is the city that put the world on wheels. so much has changed as it confronted epic challenges brought on by a shrinking tax base. with so. at stake the election is even more vital. which is why we are pleased to welcome the two candidates who want to be detroit's next mayor. we hope provide you with look at both of them. automatic of here are pleased to partner with our senior radio station and the michigan chronicle in bringing you the important forum. joining me in the questioning is political pundit. if you're tweeting or using facebook use #cbs62. the rules as agreed to by

both candidates are simple. each will can a question who have 60 stoakdz answer. the other candidate also has 60 second. each candidate has an additional 30 seconds to respond. agreed boy the candidates and kick off with a 60 second opening statement and by a flip of the coin. mike goes first. >> i want to start by thanking you. for giving us a chance to talk directly to the voters. my name is mike dug began. i'm running for mayor of detroit. i believe we need change in the city. i have born in detroit as a young boy i lived -- i went to high school in the city, and i worked in the city every day for the last 32 years. and i never, in my life, thought i would see the things we see today. senior citizen being robbed and beaten trying to fill their car with gas at the local bump. children on the street because the park and remembering center are closed.

and once proud neighbor being overtaken. we can change these things. but we need a mayor with a proven history of doing turnouts. a man who make sure the street repair crews show up. and the plan and the police car to show up when you call and deal with the abandoned houses. i run for mayor of detroit i know we can rebuild a great detroit together. >> and coming up next we're going hear from sheriff. >> i would like to thank tv 62 and you, carol, for giving us an opportunity to present our plans to the people of this city of detroit. hello, detroit. i'm going the next mayor of the city of detroit. we are facing the most critical election in 40 years. this election will determine the direction of this community for generations to come. who you select on november 5th will be pivotal to the future of this great city. i have deviced a plan it revitalizing the neighbor in the

community that is innovative it is visionary. focus on the quality of life in your neighborhood. the life that we had when i was growing up in this community. livable, walkable, sustainable, neighborhoods. neighborhood were that safe. neighborhood where you shopped. neighborhoods where you played. and neighborhoods that you worshiped in. this is defining moment for the city of detroit. detroit, the decision sup to you. you have to look to your future and pick a leader. now we start with the questioning here. i'll start it off. and i other panelists will joining us. we'll be rotating. i know, there's one thing you agree on. the emergency manager. i know, you had your way you would like to undo the law. the fact is kevin will be the emergency manager for another six month or after one of you is the next mayor. mike, let start with you. how -- and again, many, reader and cbs.com sending in questions. many asked about the emergency

marge. how do you plan to work with kevin during the first six months? >> the first question is he only here for six or nine month. while the governor has said the emergency manager will be here for 18 month. his contract hasn't said that. so longas long as the governor-appointed board want him here. how do we move the emergency manager out. as soon as t here, most has any right. not the vote of detroit and not the next mayor. i intend to come in and engage it. i'm not going attack him. i'm going come in with a specific plan pane i hope that the community who are supporting will join me in seeing to the governor we -- turn around history who has a great turn around team and plan. at the early e possible date, i hope we will encourage the governor to send him back to washington, d.c., and return to detroit to elected officials.

>> i have maintained since day one that i believe kevin is here illegally. i don't believe the governor has a right to impose the will and nullify the will of the people of the community. i'm opposed to it. i think it's illegal. i believe the federal government will ultimately say that the citizens and democracy will prevail. that being said, the fact is that, you know, we need leadership that is going to stand up for the community. i have a plan. i have a plan that i presented 63 pages long. i've been waiting for mike's plans. i haven't seen mike's plan. mine is there. it's out for anybody to see. he said he had hundred of people working on the plan for the city of detroit. i have a plan i can present today. not january but today. and i think that the citizens of the city need to recognize. my plan is there. they can see it. today. >> apparently the sheriff hasn't attended my ten forum i have

done in every counsel district where i have dope an hour powerpoint presenting a plan to rebuild the neighborhood. when i finish it, the residents are taking questions suggesting their idea and adding it to the plan. it's on the website and we have a clear plan to rebuild the city every neighborhood has future. >> i can show you powerpoints all day long. but i want to see a written document put together bay 100 people that he said he had during the course of the campaign. he started in november talking about the people he had putting the plan together. i have a written document. i also have a powerpoint i put out for people to see. it's all there. i just want to see the document. >> our next question from a long time political pundit. >> i have a question for both of you. vitamine, i'll start with you. i would like to elaborate on the emergency manager question a bit. as you both know, voting rights have been aggravated in detroit,

elected officials have been nullified. democracy in detroit, michigan is dead. i would like you both to characterize how egregious it is to the citizen of detroit. as mayor, could you elaborate more on what specifically you do to make sure that the emergency manager goes away and it can never happen again. >> cliff, i campaigned vigorously against the emergency manager. the idea against the right to work. i'm a history major. i understand the long struggle people had during the civil rights era. i lived it. my grandparents are from a little town in tennessee. they were sharecroppers. i saw segregation in the heyday. it's the most offensive assault on democracy, ever occurred, i believe in the history of the nation since the american revolution. we must do erg possible to to get rid of him. he's here illegally.

i, for one, will stand up for the citizen of this community and do everything i can to get rid of kevin. because -- he demonstrated he doesn't want to work with anyone. the current mayor attempted to work with him. he's totally disrespected, not just mate your but the citizen of the community. >> there's no question what is happening is troubling. so you a number of short term consult assistant making millions of dollars spending an awful lot of money with no thought to who is going run the city department in the long run. and i am concerned about it. and i asked the people of the city, can you point a single area city government, where your services are better? are the buses running on time? are the street lights fixed? are you any safer? i don't believe so. it's my hope to go in day one and say i would like to see the emergency manager go. if not, i believe the next mayor

ought to be the chief operating officer and allowed to come in and put in the cabinet and the long-term team and try engage with the emergency manager. it i'm allowed to put the team together and start to turn the city around. i'll work with him. and if not, then we'll be on adversarial situation. >> i have no plans to work with kevin. i have not thought about working with kevin. my goal is to get rid of him. and that should be the goal of anyone who is truly going stand up for the citizen of this community. our right to democracy has been taken away. i don't think there's any community in this state that would welcome having their vote taken away from them and impose the will of the government on the community. i'm against it and will remain against. and fight against it with every ounce of blood i have in my body. >> this is a difference between us. i'm going engarage day one. kevin or is going to be submitting a plan of adjustment

to the bankruptcy court that could take away the pension right of the senior and sell the water department and the like. i'm going to be engaged by day one of my own vision i'm going first ask the emergency manager to support and if not got bankruptcy court that said we don't have to sell off the asset and cancel pensions. do we have to restructure health care and the bond statement yes. i'm going engaged from day one. not sitting waiting for him to go away. carol, thank you. thank you for the opportunity. i want to ask you both this question as well. we'll start with mike. so many cities in america they actively seek advice from new news palty that shown success in the municipality. they is attracted business. and they have lowered their crime rates. but detroit has seemed to adopted somewhat of an isolationist attitude. if you're not born, raised, and

from detroit. don't bother us. do you agree with that? are there any cities in america that you see are worthy of seeking advice that are shown success you see as a city you like to see advise and input from? >> you know, i think there are at lough cities in the country doing things well. you try to learn from those doing it best. i think back when i was a prosecutor and the violence in the community was in a terrible rate. the city of new york had successfully dramatically reduced their violence rates response has the city of boston. i spent a fair amount of time in new york and boston and studied and brought a lot of strategies here. we teamed up the u.s. attorney, the atf, the dae to crack down on every single gun crime so we investigated, prosecuted thement -- them and made it clear if you carried a gun in the county you were going prison.

.. the. >> as it relates to folks

from other communities, yes. meeting in atlanta and a few months ago it was very much like the city of detroit predominantly pour apply african-american population with high unemployment and had a long conversation they're doing a lot of things right in atlanta at that we should take ideas from. >> would you like to save anything? >> okay we're up with the next question. >>. >> talk about what leasing has done this question goes to benny napoleon and mike duggan look at the harbor that says come under emergency management given

that teach rate is a big american in city we have seen leaders say it would be difficult to see can you say to the voters that race is a part of the agenda? >> i do know that as you stand here today 50 percent of the people in this state that looks like you and i have been disenfranchised but there are others that assume the financial challenges their recent serious challenges but there has been no emergency manager. kid you imagine in the government hall in this

country mississippi or alabama or georgia would have the nerve to go into the african-american city in the heart of the civil rights movement to disenfranchise the majority of the population we would sit back and think it is okay it is only because they have a fight and joe problem they've really need someone to come in and run the city? i think we should be highly offended as well as we should be. >> no question what is happening is disproportionately affecting the african-american voters i will not pretend to read inside the motives but look at the fact or the effective it is disturbing but equally it is the complete failure of the emergency managers if you look at what has happened highland park over

and over with you disenfranchise the local voters there is no evidence the emergency manager has made being is any better. so wide that it disproportionate effects the african-american communities and there is no evidence of work. >> i find it incredible my opponent was stand here today to suggest he is offended by the placing of the emergency manager in to the city of detroit when we have e-mail's that show that show he was a candidate to be the emergency manager after not being elected now he wants to be there. >> this is how dirty the campaign has gotten to make things up. that shows that i lobbied and wrote positive op-eds

saying it will not work and i went to lansing to bobby with the state treasurer into the governor's top aide you need to hold off on the emergency manager and let the people decide the truth is i was fighting the emergency manager. >> the conversation shows about race are race relations are very divisive throughout the entire state the detroit news this week said during the op-ed that he contacted 106 ministers and 50 percent said no they did not want that they said that was because of the fact that you are white. having a racial agenda to bridge the conversation and how to do these things how

to deal with these issues? >> i am dealing with the issues as i have been. going into people's living rooms. >> as the mayor? >> have so they. the only way to get to know the people is to talk face-to-face. what divides it tends to go away i don't particularly agree with the reverent i have been treated well and ministers have opened their doors to be. but i think they have every right as does anybody else i do not agree with that criticism but i will keep doing what i am doing that we should not be dividing by uniting. >> i don't think anyone who has the best region best interests at heart it does

not matter the only way it will grow this if we grow together in harmony but people need to recognize there are differences but we have to be respected. i have been in and out of homes for 58 years because i have been here 58 years i and the stand how this is a since feel when it comes to the things that have happened to the city of detroit over the last 40 years the citizens feel that they have been treated as second-class citizens we need leadership they are confident to stand up to the community that is respected that we get along. >> it has been very powerful i have been hosted where the house next door is abandon they say every night i go to

sleep if the house will catch fire. i have been posted -- posted by families whose children were murdered instill it is not solved and 40,000 people who believe in change a and you did the i just want to say thank-you because they do believe in change to. >> transforming this community is essential. crime is something i have lived with daily since i was an adult that was putting my life on the line since i was 19 and i continue to do that almost 40 years later. i have been there before the victims get cleaned up for before they go to court and i have seen the devastation firsthand. >> another question for the both of you.

the mayor used to say there was nothing wrong with the trade with that nothing good paying jobs can tax it is clear they will not come from manufacturing like to use to so what is your vision under your administration and what would you jihad specifically to bring jobs to detroit? >> to have brought out a program that focuses on the neighborhood. we'll put it economic acre inside every neighborhood so the committee that i grew up with a live tour shopped or played right in the neighborhood and that would be public safety malls because what of the reason they spend their money

outside the would you put the police and the fiery end of the ems or there will be shopping and entertainment that is where people would walk to work or then catch the bus. i have a bold 3.$5 billion economic recovery plan that is focused on the neighborhood where we live. >> you can say anything but that we will rebuild $3 billion of police stations with a city that is they grope toward draw a circle to stay put your $3 billion here is not realistic if that worked then we would have done that 20 years ago. teach right will come back when a lot of fog to procure start small companies and feed off of each other.

we can do that as deep a prosecutor taking via holmes we can take the abandoned storefront to make them available for $1 and take what is driving the business is out of the city but a $10 million pool of startup cost is the america hatch program so you have the means to get funding some rekeying get 50 in 6970 year-old to say i could buy my own company that is how we come back. >> that is the difference between me and my opponent for i went to the school of ikea and. not i can't. he really says i can't. when it comes to our neighborhood everybody says we can't but i believe that we can. i have a vision that this city can be a better structure tougher city than it has ever been.

when we have leadership that believes in the 10 -- and does that have been defeated neighborhoods. >> that is the difference to because he went to the community vision i have a vision for a new jail right here and we will save many it was senseless he did not check out the numbers or the facts now there is 100 million over budget and tearing it down. when i started we had 11,000 employees when i left we had 14,000 we ought to talk about what we have done not what we are going to. >> this time we will start with mike. what about that elderly woman who'd bought a nice sum in the '60s it a nice neighborhood you experienced and since then she has watched it crumble.

she cannot afford to move out if she wanted the homes ransacked by scrappers who take the furniture or cupboards it is one of thousands of stories how can your crime prevention plan addressed that specific issue so people can feel safe once again? >> you can go on to my web site called every neighbor has a future we will go back to doing what we did as a prosecutor to take those abandoned homes which we did 1,000 times to stop it in the first place we will cut the grass and drafters the scrap yards to take up the financial incentive and on the prime side we need to get the police to show up to

make better use of the offices that we already have we have officers dispatching cars and payroll the first thing we need to do is take all available officers and get them on the street then backfill the job with civilians and cut response time if we could do those we could make a difference in the neighborhood. >> ws the first few seconds to answer the question to comment on the jail issue. the deputy county executive knows that the department heads and officials the county executive makes the building so that it is my mother she has been in the same house since 1860's why have developed a plan that focuses making our neighborhood liveable or sustainable to reduce crime by 30 percent when i was chief of police i have a

square mile initiative to fully initiative that plan that we will reduce crime by over 50 percent during my first term as mayor. it can be denis and it is possible and necessary is about the folks in the neighborhood civic to have the plea and feel free to start. have been elected sheriff you have been there for years for you we and for share of promising you had a plan he would make a safer and in four years there has not been the single initiative out of your office that has been effective. with a 30 percent crime because we're still waiting for that the answer what years are you measuring? hopefully you today you will tell us what years you're measuring when you claim that success. >> that is posted on the fbi web site. but talk about crime-fighting. i never heard of her person

fighting crime at the 11th floor at the hall of justice when somebody gets from behind the desk to plates on the bulletproof vest he is not qualified to tell anybody about putting their life of mine. he cannot take credit for the work that they did. >> the next question. >> says seven deals citizen does not have time to go to the web site. so mike, how different is your crime fighting plan from benny napoleon? give us a stark contrast. >> i will go back to what we we're doing when i was a prosecutor. the detroit police are heroes into a phenomenal job but if they arrest a prisoner and then share

flats the matter jimmy have not accomplished anything if the judge does not sentence they go on probation and violate in the probation office does not take them up you have not accomplished anything. when i was the prosecutor went to boston and ended the york we adopted the strategy we created a team of u.s. attorney in the detroit police because i am not ready to be police chief we had one. when i am going to do is make sure that when somebody is arrested for a gun crime if they could be prosecuted we put that on the federal side to get all agencies to work together. >> the only way proving to reduce crime is with community policing director for smith indicated driven

approach that is the only thing that has been proven to work. i have the square mile initiative that places a police officer for every square mile also to be irresponsible to take care of the quality of life issues that citizens have you have stores that are not kidding -- getting rid of the grass to cause disruption knock on the door a be a good neighbor. every community leader every principal organization in that community to make sure we have sustainable neighborhoods. my plan is focused directly with the problems are in the neighborhood with the people and where they lived. >> i come back if you have a crime plan you have been sheriff for years. what have you done to make this city safer?

let's stick 1309 officers we will take them out of spying on people's calls you have not fix the straight -- the street lights you have 139 cops sitting on hold they need to be on the street. >> i have done more in one day as a police officer did you have done in a lifetime so let me start with that. the fact is the only way we will reduce crime i have the scalp program that is working throughout the entire city that has impacted in the large neighborhood we have reduced by 200% by just being there two-- per month. we're rating houses taqiyah prostitutes to take care of the community of 40 years. >> will take the quick timeout with the debate for

mayor of detroit right after this. ♪ >> welcome back to the michigan matters special we're talking with mike duggan its share of benny napoleon who are vying for your vote on this historic election. i will start with a question that many people have been asking. benny napoleon with crime and unemployment in some issues if telex deed mayor what is the first issue you will tackle? did make you have to of a plan to address those issues confronting our community. no question as a lifelong detroiters the safety has to be the number-one issue of anyone that takes over the mayor's office in addition we have serious issues with

the finances we need to make sure we do whatever we can and that the tenure of kevin orr is limited hopefully gone by a jittery first by giving back to the elected mayor to the city of detroit. then focus on the other issues. one of those issues is insurance detroiters are played with the highest insurance rates of the nation we need to focus to on getting finances straight and crime and focusing on issues that. >> thank i think there should be judged on one standard is the population going up or down? of the population of this city is building down then more people want to leaf i will work hard to decline --

reverse the decline the population. we will attack the police response time we have to be confident in this city that the officers will show up and right now the criminals are not afraid. we have got to repair the street lights it is an embarrassment living in the dark. third we have to start taking advantage of the house to move the family is in. if in the first 100 days they see the street lights are on and the police show up in the building is occupied we can generate hope. then we can rebuild this city the way we want. >> we have all heard about the corporate community from buying new police cars that many residents fear that those commitments to allow

them to control real-estate to take over the glading department. what are your views on corporate responsibility in corporals of detroit and tax abatement? >> i think it is important to build a coalition that includes all. i am also proud to be with the firefighters and the plunders in grass-roots organizations. we have a lot of growth downtown but we're losing weight too much population go back to the web site to

make sure every neighborhood has a future year trying to get them to partner and if we can do those facts together we can bring it back for gulf and as good corporate citizens those are not the people who gave me $3 million it and contributions. so to say they cannot be referring to me. but the teamster that with the support of labor is so we both have support in the

community but the fact is the question that is most important who will focus on the neighborhood? that once we focus on neighborhoods i believe the tax abatements should be given people to those who are already here doing business. >> i come back to the same question. you have been sheriff for years. what have you done? we have seized 900 drug houses. we went to block by block. ended replacing those abandoned houses then people plant flowers.

in those prosecutors that the shares constitutional mandate were there also responsible for policing the community. but we rated $500 per month. 10,000 over the course of my tenure. >> we will continue the questions. >> thus relationship of the city of detroit is even more prominent it has become very volatile i'll let specific relationships you have been nancy to have a positive impact on the city of detroit? >> i have worked with folks

the route wayne county i also worked with the detroit delegation and supported by almost all of that delegation. that is my strength feat to work across county lines with people in the community to focus on issues that are important to this region. i enjoy support it have been here 30 years and have worked with people during this entire time. so to go into the community to make our neighborhood safer because it is about the neighborhood, the neighborhood, the neighborhood. spin mccready to recognize

that we will just keep losing as we have in recent years we ran heavily dependent because of the uninsured and medicaid patients. to say we will lobby for our many fed immediately changes the funding formula to move that out of each right to the grand rapids area. i sat with the chair in the republican senate chair in this governor snyder and also doing an outstanding job to deliver care and when it was done in every single dollar was reinstated back into the city of detroit. we can do it on a bipartisan basis that we have to work.

>> talk about the turnaround. 30 million came from the governor the tax breaks from county executive $30 million of fines with kickbacks with the nonprofit hospital where my opponent got millions of dollars in cash and stock options. >> how many entries things you have said in 30 seconds. $50 million was given to my predecessor before i got there and when i caved in favor of the verge of laying off if we work together to turn it around. every dollar from that

vanguard sale we had a scholarship fund we were not a rich one single penny. >> let's experiences into a leadership. there are people of the supporters those that sent to be lots of the males sitting you have been part of the wayne county government for a long time. as police chief your department came under federal oversight mike you were commander federal corruption investigation people are wondering what you can demonstrate to show leadership and ethics can you explain yourself? >> i will start in wayne county i was there 40 years we balance the budget 40 years and with one member of

the administration it indicted the attorney said at the time i had never been under investigation. share after benny napoleon spent five years and the administration where that was also under investigation as well but it what you need to look at our results. i would encourage your viewers to call somebody who works there them remember what it was like when you go into though waiting room horsey three-year for hours to see a doctor now we have turned that around how we went from almost having no cardiology program to the best in the country and 11,000 employees of the 14,000 now driving on the campus thursday hundred 50 million of new investment. that is what we need in the city of detroit. >> it is no secret that neither one of us are new.

mike has been involved with government probably longer than i have but i have always been open and transparent. i have always been open to letting someone come in it doesn't matter. i have never been afraid of the fed because i believe the ethics of government and the people should have trust as a leader, that is what you do to make sure people understand. lido -- i have never been accused or sanction debt. >> any response? >> no. >> gentleman i am extremely

concerned about the young people of detroit we hear about the pipeline to prison and one of the issues that people don't talk about are the schools of young people who don't have the jobs of the recreation centers what commitments you will make sure these young people with the future that you say you want to create? >> it is the question that i disagree but no more than the parity of recreation centers are parks he said they are here but we will cut them off. because they do not provide something we will just be hiring the police down the road to catch them.

we cannot afford to build stand-alone recreation centers but we could have smart partnerships we have little schools and high schools with jim's we could hire staff a partner with them to open them up as opposed to running our own centers. i also want to start project genesis hiring high school kids to work $10 an hour in the facilities because it is hard for these children to be something if they have not seen it now eight years later these to use our medical school in biology majors working full-time jobs we need to do more of that. >> i was not born a child of privilege. with the third grade education. my dad was a sharecropper. who came here with the great promise. of educating our children is

the quickest way to lift them up at of their circumstances. we need to recognize they went to school not equal on two different tracks educating children in the early environment is a challenge that i understand in having worked in that environment in then in the public-school system. he has to be the strongest advocate for education. but then the neighborhoods will grow. >> this is one of the few times i agree. that has to be the best partner cbs detroit the lots of ways to partner. desired to teach with the children are not in the

classroom period you cannot find that truancies support and to come back to project genesis with every business leader to say let's create job opportunities so these kids can see the opportunities there are. >> once again i have to say it is amazing to me that my opponent will say he is opposed to anyone taking over our school system when he has served on the board that is part of the takeover of the school system educating our children how could we be against it when you were a part of it? so we can do for word to educate the babies from the city of detroit. >> there is a lot of discussion to be the city reinvented where neighborhoods are located there was a plan that talked

about shrinking the neighborhoods and which ones should be go or add your what would you do sheriff? >> i have gone through all of the i agree with that perspective to could people not of their homes different from where they have spent i think about my mother. but neighborhood is not the same she raised her children or the same area but to tell her after all this time she asked to leave her house and go somewhere else it is a little fanfare and of sensitive. and as it relates to urban farming the city of detroit

used to be a great metropolis like the kid can get if we have the vision to do it for farrell i have not given up we will be better and stronger. >> but i have a plan on my website. what do you do with the neighborhoods that have only two or three houses on the block? i. jager you raise your family nobody should be pressuring you to leave if you don't want to go but kids we have positive incentives? we will go back and take he abandoned houses and we will sell them on the internet. i want to go to the box is only two or three houses left. we will give you the option we will give you triple the credit on your house if it is worth 10,000 in the bloc with only two left we will let you move into another neighborhood with 30,000 if we create positive

incentives we can get people to fill in the neighborhoods that we need to build the population and also allows some people to move if they want that option. >> there is a republican fly in the house. [laughter] >> you said that. i have the economic development plan for the neighborhoods to put acres in every community in this city in the council district to see the city that i grew up in two of a sustainable neighborhood to build more houses sandy troy to has the opportunity to be the great city that once was. not to say that i disagree but i have a different idea. >> i will come back again. here is the next piece of one to do.

i want to say what do you do? so if we move people lot of the declining neighborhoods but then partner to reuse the property with that kind of partnership then use the land 12th. >> january 2015 your each mayor what would be different for this city of detroit would they say about the difference that you made during the first year? >> it is a miracle city it has come back it is bigger better stronger tougher prettier and better than it has ever been. >> i have a clear plan. here is a we have to do the first year. we will get the police to show up and cut the response

time so people feel safe. second, we will demand accountability from the repair crews to stop living in the darkened third start to take the advantage holmes then the first year i will also do similar to start a car insurance program where we offer auto insurance it is ridiculous that car insurance rates drive people off of the neighborhoods. >> we are winding down on the questions that there we will start with a closing statement with that toss of the coin and mike duggan you go first. >> has spent almost one year that i left the job that i love did it has been extraordinary i campaigned in every corner of the state in my 238 house party campaigning in the living room church to church dan

creed with warmth and kind this it has not all been easy for a period of time i was thrown off the ballot that they said to right if we can do it. says we saw a dirty tricks they sued me and people said don't worry we can stop them. 48,000 people spilled out my name and i want to say thank you. i promise you one thing if you trust me with your toe on november 5th i will fight just as hard to help build the detroit that this people of the city deserved. >> this is a serious election. i have the neighborhood revitalization plan it will revitalizes community in a way it has never seen for quite have a square mile initiative to make this city

safe, livable, walkable and sustainable once again. but let me just say my opponent said he comes in and out of detroit for the last 32 years how many of you have seen him? before he became and? while he was sleeping i put on the bulletproof vest and patrolled the city's in while he was sleeping we were resting murderers a hint carjackers. while he was sleeping we were getting rid it of the chambers brothers and young boys inc.. i was putting the flag on the coffin of the slain police officers while you were asleep. >> gentlemen of what to thank you both for being a part of this this concludes the first televised debate. we hope that you learned more about them.

if once was not enough you can watch this again on our sister station at 5:00 p.m. on sunday october 27 and listen again on the news radio 9:50 p.m. on october october 22nd. the next conversation will take place wednesday wednesday, october 23rd at the detroit economic club of which again i will be moderating. thank you for being with us. . .