a scotland that we seek. we seek a country with a written constitution protecting not just the liberties for the people but enunciating the rights of the citizen. we seek a country where we make work pay not by humiliating those with disabilities but by strengthening the human wage. weiss seek a country where key public services remain in public hands. we seek a country where business prospers and the public is protected against the abuse of monopoly power and we seek a country with the right to health and education based on human need and ability not on the size of your wallet. we seek a country which understands its contribution to culture and creativity as part of an international framework. and we seek a country in which judged on how useful it can be to the rest of humanity not how

many warheads akin dance on a submarine. [applause] the late great ian banks said once that independence would list the morale of the nation. he wrote what he believed to be the sheer energy station of a whole people. the energy that can be felt already. people are starting to imagine a better life better communities come for a better country. we are truly privileged. in less than one year's time we can start imagining -- stop imagining and start building, building the scotland we know is possible and we should remember as we do so that scotland has been a whole new -- for more than a century.

the recent chapters of that story people have been asking the question yes and no and went overwhelmingly. it is our privilege in this generation to become the next chapter of that story. when the pages speak to generations yet unborn of the best time in best place of our scotland today what is the story they will tell? they could say that we who lived at this special time recognized the priceless moment for what it was that those who saw this chance did not -- those who were given this moment did not let it pass by that we scotland independent generation reach out and grasp the opportunity of a lifetime when it came our way. we will not on the morning of the 19th of september next year wake up and think to ourselves what wind up then. we shall wake up that morning filled with hope and expectation ready to build a new nation

which is both prosperous and fair. after almost a century of scotland moving forward from this very moment let us ask ourselves the simple question. it if not us, then who? if not now come to but then when? france we are scott lands independent generation and our time is now. [applause] did. [applause] ♪

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>> i am never ever asked a negative question. i think it's insulting to the person you want to talk to and it creates a bad impression about what you are doing. we are asking for someone's time because you need information that will be due to a better understanding of your subject. sometimes you get negative information when you really don't want it and you haven't even asked for it. i note, remember calling a woman to ask her about his senate wives luncheon in honor of the first lady. she said to me quote i know why

you are calling. you want me to repeat those nasty things that nancy reagan was telling us yesterday about barbara bush. [laughter] actually all i wanted to find out was how much money the senate wives had raised for mrs. reagan's drug abuse fund. in that telephone call i got more than i asked for and i used every single word.

author and astrophysicist neil degrasse thyssen. >> as nasa's future goes so too does that of america and if nasa is healthy then you don't need a program to convince people that science and engineering is good to do because they will see it writ large on the paper. they will be called for engineers to help us go ice fishing on europa where there is an ocean of water that has been liquid for billions of years. we are going to dig through the soils of mars and look for life. that will give me the best biologist. look at the nasa are fully today. that's biology chemistry physics geology and planetary geology aerospace engineers mechanical engineers electrical engineers all the stem fields science technology engineering and math

representing the nasa portfolio. the healthy nasa is the flywheel that society taps for innovation. >> the prime minister of pakistan says u.s. drone strikes have deeply disturbed his people and are detrimental to eliminating terrorism in pakistan. nawaz sharif who spoke at the institute of peace discussed his relationship with the u.s. and india as well as current economic and security challenges. after his remarks he was interviewed by security adviser stephen hadley. this is just over 40 minutes.

[inaudible conversations] >> thank you all. if we could go ahead and sit down. some of you have been here for a couple of hours and we really appreciate the patience. we are delighted to be hosting prime minister sharif. i think everyone in this room is aware the fact that pakistan's success is the world success and the world success is america's success and we congratulate pakistan on a peaceful transmission democratic elections. it was remarkable showing of strength by your party. not expected and quite a showing of strength. i would like to recognize a few people who are here today.

where is ike con? joe eldridge member of the board and kristen are executive vice president andrew wilder who is our vice president for south and central asia. he is our pakistan director. it was a good team of people that brought this event together and i thank them all for that. i think everybody in the room who is pretty familiar with usip that we have others watching by television so i should simply say the united states institute of peace has a mission globally of attempting to prevent mitigate and resolve violent conflict. that is really our focus and we work very closely with the state department, the defense department, the usaid and other entities and geos and foreign

governments foreign ngos come for parties all over the world to further that mission. our most active programs actually are now in iraq, afghanistan, pakistan and somewhat our south and central asia program is really quite large. where pakistan alone is concerned we convene roughly 80 meetings here at the united states institute of peace with experts from all over the world to talk about pakistan and how to move pakistan forward in a positive way just in the last three years alone. done analytical work in pakistan looking at the things that prompt violence in what might we do, what might be done to lessen the likelihood of violence? build the capacity for civil society and we have done 2.0 dialogs both of the the committee to a flame between pakistan and india bringing groups together to talk about differences of opinion between those two countries. as everybody knows we are actively involved in the election process in afghanistan,

stability for afghanistan is critically important for stability in pakistan. the last thing you need is a collapse in an ethnic tsunami arising from afghanistan because it won't be contained simply within afghanistan's borders. the prime minister is in a difficult part of the world than he is a very difficult job and we really appreciate his being here. the event will involve remarks in the prime minister and then we will ask steve hadley who is on my board and former national security adviser for the bush of administration to come forward and sit with the prime minister and ask a few questions in a casual setting after the prime minister the prime minister is finished with his remarks. when we are done i would ask everybody remain seated when the official party leaves and i thank you for your patience already and hope that you enjoy this event. mr. prime minister could you come forward. [applause]

[applause] >> thank you. congressman jim marshall president usip, mr. stephen hadley, distinguished guests and ladies and gentlemen i am honored to speak at this forum on pakistan's vision for peace.

we appreciate usip's mission of promoting peace and understanding among nations and i deeply value your kind invitation. ladies and gentlemen i have come here as the elected leader of pakistan, a land of ancient civilizations and rich cultural traditions but they stayed still young and aspiring to be a modern, moderate country of 180 million enterprising hard-working people dreaming of a better tomorrow in a rapidly changing world. they also yearn for peace, security and well-being that has eluded them for the past 20 decades.

it is their hopes and aspirations that i have come here to voice for this learned gathering. ladies and gentlemen, but this has been a moment to scare in our history not only have we had a free fair and transparent general election but a peaceful dignified transfer of power from one active government to another. also an effective president preceded an elected president witnessed with a deep sense of satisfaction. these events will of course be of a routine nature but for us they present a remarkable transformation of our democratic friendship signifying critical

majority not only for their electorate but for the mainstream parties as well. they will surely strengthen the democratic institutions and the rule of law in pakistan. ladies and gentlemen we will -- the mandate given to her party we should endeavor to protect and promote in a manner that strengthens the democratic institutions and enhances the welfare of the people. this is a new and competent pakistan but i am not oblivious to the challenges that we have inherited. my government is free of the enormous economic and security challenges that face us today. we are also conscious that the people of pakistan have high

expectations from us given the fact that in our earlier terms in office we introduced many uniforms to liberalize the economy, strengthen the air, facilitate foreign investment and create a business-friendly climate in the country. these enabled us to complete major infrastructure projects such as modern motorways ports and airports and dams. we intend to resume our journey where it was interrupted by the military coup in october 1999 in terms of at home and a new direction in our foreign policy. we want to create a society based on social justice and the

well-being of all of our people without any discrimination. ladies and gentlemen we also recognize the realization of this a vicious agenda internal peace and security as well as peace and stability in the neighborhood which is why we are determined to transform our nations with friends around the world but more importantly with our immediate neighbors. i am however aware that the greatest challenge to pakistan comes from terrorism and extremism but pakistan is neither a source -- neither a source of or the epicenter of terrorism as is sometimes alleged. in fact pakistan itself has been a major victim of this gorge for over a decade. pakistan's sacrifices in the struggle against terrorism and

extremism are very large. we have faced hundreds of suicide attacks in the past decade, losing over 7000 of our brave soldiers, security personnel and policemen. weller's civilian casualties exceed 40,000 lives our sacrifices are immeasurable both in terms of the loss of human life and the damage caused to our infrastructure. my government has determinedetermined to bring this bloodshed and violence to them and that it can't be done overnight nor can it be done by unleashing a senseless force against our citizens without first making every effort to

bring the misguided and confused elements of society back to the mainstream. we also have to ensure that critical bodies and civil society are on the same page. the critical bodies and the civil society are on the same page so as to create an enabling environment is necessary to tackle this menace. it was to this extent and it was to this end in an extraordinary expression of cohesion the parties conference underlined giving peace a chance. ladies and gentlemen my government is also determined to address the challenge caused by a weak economy. while recognizing the urgency of focusing on the religious sector which is hampered national growth and created huge social

unrest. major reforms have been introduced to ensure sound macroeconomic policies to reduce budgetary deficits and show balance of payment and reduce the country's dependence on foreign loans and assistance. we will also engage in efforts to bring half a million new -- these measures will enhance the current law of 9% to 15% by 2018. it has also been decided to privatize the enterprises including entity such as the national airlines, the steel mills and the national oil and gas companies.

turning to foreign relations ladies and gentlemen i wish to state that we firmly believe that a peaceful stable pac is -- afghanistan is in pakistan's vital interests. our efforts are therefore focused on helping the stabilization of pakistan which is going through a phase of political transition to pakistan wishes these landmark -- to be completed peacefully and smoothly. we also wish the international community to remain engage afghanistan's reconstruction and economic development. we hope for in afghanistan that is firmly on the part of stability and stability. as an essential element of our policy we strongly support and inclusive peace and

reconciliation process. during president karzai's recent visit to to pakistan we reaffirmed our solidarity. i also assured president karzai that we wish neither to interfere in afghanistan's internal affairs nor do we have any -- in afghanistan and the in fact it's our hope that we unite for peace and prosperity in the development of their country. simultaneously they are making efforts to upgrade our initiative with afghanistan. my own vision is ladies and gentlemen it should be defined by a strong economic partnership in addition to hosting millions

of refugees for decades pakistan is assisting with $450 million for afghanistan's capacity building. with special focus on interest-rate sure health and education nurse. we have also decided to extend the karachi peshawar highway. this is our modest contribution to bringing afghanistan into the regional economic hub. we believe that we can work with afghanistan for enhanced regional and economic cooperation that would establish and reinforce energy and communication core doors. the two corridors are participating in megaenergy projects namely turkmenistan afghanistan pakistan india and central asia south asia and

create a project called gaza 1000. this would undoubtedly help strengthen efforts for peace and stability and advance our common objectives of progress and prosperity. ladies and gentlemen are the important neighboring india conquered our other important neighbor is india with which we share a common history as well as a common destiny. our past and our future are intertwined. pakistan's happy to see the people of india live in peace and security. the people of pakistan want to resolve all outstanding issues with india through dialogue and negotiations. we are confident that there are areas where we can make quick progress. we also wish to put ourselves on the path for normalizing trade relations with india. my meeting with the prime

minister last month in new york reflected this desire and i'm confident that we can overcome challenges and find solutions to all issues as long as we stay engaged. in any case we do not want isolated incidents to interrupt our dialogue. the our message is simple. future prosperity and at the -- economic development in south asia depends on the peace and security in the region. therefore all of us have a stake in working towards these noble objectives for our own sake as well as the sake of future generations. it is about time that the two sides address their bilateral issues with the utmost seriousness in order to avail themselves of the historic opportunity after putting their energy and resources toward development and betterment of --

may i add ladies and gents meant that had our two countries not listed their precious resources in a never-ending arms race we would not only have avoided the feudal complex but also emerged in a stable and -- and desire to live in peace with its neighbor. we would not be found walking the extra mile. our dream is to realize economic cooperation and the bilateral level as well as the broader regional effort. even more promising are the inter-region cooperation. ..

i've always weathered the occasional storm. as democracy takes lucent packets, there is a school for bill and a and stable ridership between the two countries. they should be based on mutual interest in each voters backed as so clearly articulated by president obama in his speech.

our two countries share perceptions and interest on a wide range of issues. these include afghanistan, peace and stability in south asia and in the middle east as well as extremism and terrorism. moreover, despite the planned drawdown, they would be continuing need for close cooperation between the two countries, especially in afghanistan are key issues of mutual concern use terrorism, united nations reform, international economic corporation. pakistan appreciates a constructive role the u.s. has played every tensions between pakistan and india with its growing influence in india, the u.s. now has the d. to do more to help the two sides resolve their disputes, including cash

made and promoting a budget of cooperation. ladies and gentlemen, there is however the matter at the drone strikes, which had deeply disturbed and agitated. in my first statement to the parliament, i had a strong commitment to ensuring and an to the drone attacks. more recently, our political parties and a national conference had declared the use of drones is not only continued violation of integrity, but also recommended the effort that eliminating terrorism from our country. this issue has become a bilateral relationship as well. i will therefore stress each one of the drone attacks. ladies and gentlemen, it is my

endeavor for the important relationship with an open fresh slate, leaving behind the trust deficit and mutual suspicion. instead, cooperation, investment, energy, technology, education and agriculture under the strategic dialogue to the main plan of our partnership. as large democracies, there should be interaction between our two countries, not only at the parliamentary level, but through the exchange of students and tourism and move many of our misperceptions. moreover, the traditionally strong ties to the military we should he really liberated. the vibrant community of pakistani americans as playing an important role in bringing

our two nations closer. i am thankful to them as they constitute a permanent link between our two countries that can and should play an important role in eliminating negative perceptions. ladies and gentlemen, the responsible nuclear power in a major developing company, pakistan is destined to play a key role in the regional stability and security. pakistan remains fully alive to protect sovereign tea, integrity and independence. but adding key gene in an arms race, pakistan will maintain credible to ensure regional security and stability. we would nevertheless distantly pursue the rules of disarmament on a nondiscriminatory basis.

it is our hope that the united states will follow an evenhanded and nondiscriminatory approach in places like several nuclear cooperation. ladies and gentlemen, as you will be aware, pakistan is a country blessed with enormous resources. it is a vast regions of south and east asia. on one side -- [inaudible] pakistan is the national land rich connecting these two vast regions and says created among these regions. the society of critical media and independent judiciary, it is educated a young population and the phenomenal expansion of the

i.t. network, pakistan is emerging as a modern-day society with the fast developing physical infrastructure, abundant skilled labor and investment incentives, pakistan is supposed to attract its new share for the properties of globalization. we started the democratic transition after the may elections have been held international community. it is also instilled confidence among the military within the country and abroad. i avail myself of an opportunity to invite the united states private sector to join us in a first for sustained economic growth and development. the arrival of the economy is the key across the entire spectrum of challenges that we are facing today from terrorism and extremism to development of our social sector. it is also an essential to

strengthen democracy. this is what we've learned from our own experience and this is what i recall -- this is what i call president frankel's emphasizing one of his speeches. to individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. people who are hungry and out of jobs are the staff of which dictatorships are made. ladies and gentlemen, i avail to the fact that the driving motivation of the founding fathers of this great nation was an intense desire to live in a country with religious freedom and economic opportunities would be available to all. our founding fathers sought to establish a homeland was a molar groups. that is therefore a natural

affinity. the overwhelming surety believe in the same justice from god, which reminds me of jesus christ's sermon on the mount when he declared, blessed are the peacemakers. some six centuries later when the holy quran was revealed that mohammed be upon him, we are reminded of the eternal truth. we may choose indignation and tribes so that you may know each other. the most honored of you in the sight of god is he who is most titlist review. let us therefore endeavor, ladies and gentlemen, to know each other better so we can all make our modest contribution, to

making the world a better place. thank you. [applause] >> again, prime minister, it is a real honor to have you with us today. thank you for your thoughtful remarks. i just had two or three question that i thought you might use as an opening for further conversation and collaboration on some of the points you made

in your address. you are seeing widely as someone who prioritizes the pakistani economy as a way to the country's success and gps. how challenging is this task? and do you feel you managed with the economy on a path to sustained progress, even though you've only been in office performa. could you talk a little bit about the packet and a common? >> we are facing, what i just now mentioned in my address. let me tell you, the economy is also one of those challenges here can printed with -- confronted with. our party, while in the 1990s,

and the u.s. of course in office came out with forms that became very popular in the country. i'm a very successfully implemented those reforms in the 1990s, which also included privatization. indeed, naturalization of the state owned enterprises, which were nationalized by mr. bhutto in 1971 and an itch to privatize nationalized banks. other state owned enterprises very successfully in those institutions in the losses by the government are now making huge profits and paid text to the extent of billions in pakistan today. so economy is very badly affected by this scourge of

terrorism that we were placed in pakistan. as i just mentioned, taking more than 40,000 mice in an. we have to, of course today, energy is one of our biggest problems. it is not being addressed by success in pakistan. so this is one of the greater issues that's been dealt with by this government. i hope that the international community will certainly support us. i believe not a lot of things can be done. especially the united states of america is great here in america. and then we are struggling hard

to deal with the law and order situation, which is worse i just mentioned, including the terrorism. and once we are able to effectively deal with it, i believe that the economy will be moving. more interdependent is if you want to have a conducive investment climbed to the country, you've got to have a good law and order situation in the country and to have a cook situation, you must address the issue of poverty. so it's very closely linked to each other. we are dealing with this issue. >> prime minister, you mentioned energy. nothing seems to have hurt the pakistani economy more in the past few years than the new

energy crisis. do you agree with that assessment? and could you tell us a little bit about what are your plans for the energy sector sensitive for the economic growth that you've talked about. i >> this is an issue, which has been there for the last 70 years, not being addressed by the previous government. the government before that and we've had outages for several hours in a day. most of the areas of pakistan being able to fix this, or to some extent, i would say to a small extent, by paying off big debt to the tune of 500 billion immediately after coming into office, i think that was a very good decision and very big step that our government of pakistan to resolve this problem, to at

least be out of debt. and now of course the system in pakistan, use the a lot if that's better there in the system, which we are trying to overcome. a lot of under capacity, running under capacity, which are being addressed. it is kept into our system and we are trying to address that as well. we have come up with a very comprehensive power of policy, which provides ways and means to the investor to come in and invest in pakistan. we've also announced an upfront status so they don't have to base their time in negotiating

the governor. it's a system we have now introduced in pakistan. and now pakistan has tremendous potential in three different sectors in the energy and power sector. one is of course the hydro generation. pakistan is the capacity to produce more than 100,000 in the sector alone. the government is undertaking projects lake i just named them for you. one is the shower. the other is puccini. these three will produce about 15,000 megawatts -- 15,000 -- 16,000 megawatts. and then we also have set up a park in karachi, near karachi, which will produce about

6600 megawatts. so i think this will not only overcome the gap in the supply and demand that we are facing today, but we will also be able to create for future requirements and energy. since this is a selector, i would like to welcome the american investors, investors from all over the world to come and take a look in pakistan and the government of pakistan does provide and will make sure the principle as well as the profits are fully repatriated. >> in your address, you spoke very passionately about improving pakistan's relations in india. >> that's my favorite subject. [laughter] >> well, it is a difficult

subject and it is not without controversy. can you say of the bit about what is your vision, how could the improve the relationship? particularly about kashmir and whether there is a formula for bringing peace together. >> ec, like government paved the way in the 1890s and laid the foundation for building better relations with india. mr. nosh was a great two day in 1998. this was soon after the nuclear detonations by india and then subsequently followed by pakistan. that was a very successful visit. both of us sat across the table, decided that we will resolve all of our outstanding issues through negotiations, through

peaceful means and her talks. it's a major break through, very categorically and that agreement that we both signed. i was very pleasantly surprised by this statement of mr. washed by in baltimore that mr. nawaz sharif in the letters declared in 1999 as the resolution of all governments that exists between pakistan and in via, including the issue of kashmir. i was pleasantly surprised to have that. and then, we both started working for you. anyway the whole forests was by mr. musharraf who toppled the government unconstitutionally

and imposed martial law in the country. and you know what he did to the country. judges, send them home, house arrested them. we were the ones who actually had to struggle wrote those unconstitutional, thrown out of office by mr. musharraf. anyway, the subject i was discussing that we would take to pick up the threats from where we left off in 1999 and then go slow word. i had a good meeting in new york last month and we discussed the issues. you see, whenever we want to go forward, something happens and the process again and give this a setback. for example, when we were out to meet in new york, just weeks and

days before the meeting, there were clashes on the line, people from both sides, our side, their side. and that was also banned in a very unfortunate arms race the partition, since cells go about 66 years. what i just mentioned is in a speech also. i believe that we need to get this situation. i believe very strongly that both countries of course we'll have to sit down together. and if we sit down together, if we seriously address these issues, i don't think we will face any problem in addressing these insolvency issues. kashmir is of course a very different issue it very

difficult to resolve. precision and talking, we will be able to find some way of resolving not because that is a flashpoint in not only the region, but the whole world. any solution, which can come about but not evil to come about unless the people of the three sides have put their endorsement of the people of pakistan and the people of kashmir. and i believe by talking -- and then of course, our economic relations with india was so much we can do by enhancing or creating economic ties with each other. >> mr. prime minister, thank you very much. we are out of time. unfortunately, the prime minister has to schedule to keep

your 20 thank you for being here and invite jim marshall to the stage for a brief presentation. >> thank you very much. [inaudible] >> very efficient. >> we try to be. >> thank you. if you would all remain seated as the official party leads. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] >> house democratic leader, nancy pelosi, talked today about the importance of women to the

american economy and highlighted some legislative initiative today to accomplish. speaking at an event hosted by maryland congressman, donna edwards, here's a brief portion of her remarks. >> what could transform the specs for work of women in the workplace? we listen to women across the country and we develop and work with associations like their pay coalition, aauw, ywca, all different types of organizations who work on these issues for a while and came up with these three things that have been emphasized. hey, raise the minimum wage 62% so people get the minimum wage are women. we must increase the minimum wage. we did it the first hundred hours when we had the majority in the house and senate in a senate. we faced the minimum wage at the time and it's long overdue. raise the minimum wage.

senator mikulski has taken the lead on, the paycheck fairness act. imagined in many parts of the country, women make 77% of what men make for the same job, same kind of work. you can work for january, february, march for free compared to what your mayoral counterpart doing the same job. we have to pass that. go back to what i said every emphasized as we go forward, this was about we pass lily that matter, the first bill the president signed. we finally now have a president to sign it, so that was a beautiful, passionate and he wanted that to be a signature issue for him and that was great. as the senator said, that is about what recourse you have. it's not about establishing that he should by law have to pay. and then we had the paycheck

fairness in the house and senate. congresswoman rosa delauro has been our leader on this subject and senator mikulski has been in the senate, not only sponsor, the champion. and then you talk about pay fee. it has been said family medical leave is a great thing. 20 years ago, senator barbara is one of the first bill president clinton signed. we been working on it for a while. we now have a president to sign it. that was 20 years ago and it's been said 40% of women in the workplace do not qualify -- the businesses are not large enough to cover. but nonetheless, it is unpaid via march. if i'd paid, we have to have paid leave. maybe not the full length of the time for family medical leave, but we have that legislation,

healthy families act. so these are all possible. we have the decision about the outside globalization and that's why we are so glad to see so many theaters on these issues here today, all of you. and then the third is childcare. how come it is childcare issue in my view is the most transformative. we talked about seneca falls unit ducked into the hall of fame in all the rest and at that time 165 years ago, these women, a match of the they had, all men and women created equal and as such we demand to have an equal station to which we are entitled they said. we're standing on their a shoulders. the right to and decades later when mccain said women given the right to vote. women fought for it, demanded, marched, struggled on the rest. so you have that many have

wristed riveter, women in the workplace. during world war ii, women taking their shared for the war effort, putting in their fair and now you have women in the workplace and higher education to women. or been having a choice to stay home or be in the workplace at whatever level. the missing link got the whole time was affordable quality child care to really enable women, to unleash the power for themselves, for their families, for our economy. as mimi said, this is about making our economy grow. if we unleash the full power of the women the economy, it will increase two to three points. it just will. it is really important.

>> i think women are getting a very complex message. we are in the middle sociological revolution. yet women are told they have to have a great career, the great mothers, have to be fed, have to be good looking. you have to manage a house well. there is a sense of entitlement. i can do everything that a young man does. that includes having a glass of wine or two after work, drinking some wine down. women tend to medicate depression and anxiety and loneliness. i think there is a lot of anxiety in this generation in terms of how do i manage it all?

so when we look at who is drinking the most cover we are seeing a professional women, educated women. i don't think this is what gloria steinem had in mind. >> to candidates in the detroit's mayoral race face off in their first debate over the weekend with the focus on each planter rebate allies this neighborhood spirit baghdad and, current front-runner won the detroit's mayoral primary as a writing candidate previously served as president and ceo of the detroit medical center.

his opponent is wayne county sheriff, benny napoleon. this debate is just under an hour. ♪ >> from cbs 62, this is a special michigan matters. the 2013 mayoral debate. ♪ >> hi there and welcome to a presentation, the great debate from detroit. ..

and if you're tweeting or using facebook use #cbs 62 debate. the rules or conversation agreed to by both candidates are simple. each will ask a question of the candidate who has 60 seconds to answer. the other candidate has 60 seconds. then each candidate has and additional 30 seconds to respond if he chooses. it's agreed to by the candidates and kick it of with a 60-second opening statement. by a flip of the coin, mike goes first. >> i want to start by thanking cbs 62, wwj, and the michigan chronicle for giving us a chance to talk directly to the voters. my name is mike and i'm running for mayor of detroit. i believe we need change in the

city. i was born in detroit, as a young boy i lived on trains berry. i went to high school in the city and worked in the city every day for the last 32 years. i never, in my life, thought i would see the kind of things we're seeing in detroit today. senior citizens being robbed and beaten, trying to fill their gar with gas at the local pump. children on the street because of our parks and remembering centers are closed. once proud neighborhoods being overtaken by blight. we change these things. we need a mayor with a proven history of doing turn around. a mayor who will make sure the street repair show crews show up. the blanks, and the police to show up when you call and deal with the abandoned houses. i run for mayor of detroit because i know we can rebuild great detroit together. >> coming up next we hear from the sheriff. >> i would like to thank cbs 62 and you, carol, for giving us an opportunity to present our plans to the people of city of

detroit. hello. i'm going the next mayor of the city of detroit. we are facing the most critical election in 40 years. this election will determine the direction of this community for generations to come. who you select on november 5th will be pivotal to the future of this great city. i have devised a plan to revitalize the neighborhoods in this community is innovative, progressive, visionary. it is focusing on the quality of life in your neighborhood. the life that we had when i was growing up in this community. livable, workable, sustainable, neighborhood. neighborhoods that were safe. neighborhoods where you shopped. neighborhoods where you played, and neighborhoods that you worshiped in. this is a defining moment for the city of detroit. detroit, the decision is up to you. you have to look to your future and make leader. we start with the questioning and we'll be rotating.

i know the one thing you agree on the emergency manager i know he had your way you would like to undo the law. the fact is, kevin or will be the emergency manager for another six months or so after one of you is the next mayor. mike, let me start with you. how -- again, i have many free press readers also senlding in questions. and many asked about the emergency manager. how specifically do you plan to work with kevin during the first six months? >> well, the first question is, is he only here for six or nine months. while the governor has said that he's going to be here for 18 months. the contract does not say that. he's here as long as the governor is appointed or wanted him here. one of the questions we have to ask is how do we effectively move them out? because as long as the emergency manager is here, nobody has any rights. not the voters of detroit and not the next mayor. i sphwoand come in and i'm going engage the emergency manager. i'm not going attack him.

i'm going come with a specific plan. i hope that the community supports me in joining me say we have a mayor with a strong turn around history who has a great team and a turn around plan. at the earliest date, i hope we will encourage the governor to send him back to washington, d.c., and. >> carol, i have maintained since day one that i believe kevin or is here illegally. i do not believe that the governor has the right to impose his will and nullify the will of the people of the community. i'm opposed to it. i think it's illegal. i believe the federal government will ultimately say that the citizen and democracy will prevail in this community. that being said, the fact is that that, you know, we need leadership that is going stand up for the community. i have a plan. i have a plan that i've presented 63-pages long. i've been waiting for mike's

plan. i haven't seen mike's plan. mine is there. it's out there for anybody anybody to see. he said he had hundred of people working on this plan for the city of detroit. i have a plan i can present today. not january but today. i think that the citizen of this where i have an hour powerpoint with 200 people at the time presenting a plan to rebuild the neighborhood. and when i finish it, the residence -- residents are taking questions for hour and hour and a half and adding it to the plan. we have a clear plan to rebuild the city so every neighborhood has a future. >> i can show you powerpoints all day long. i want to see a written document put together bay 100 people that he said he had during the cost of this campaign.

as you both know, -- elected officials have been nullified, democracy in detroit, michigan is dead. i would like you both to characterize how egregious that it is to the citizens of detroit. and as mayor could you elaborate more on what specifically you will do to make sthiewrt emergency manager law goes away and that this can never happen again. >> you know, cliff, i campaigned vigorously against the emergency manager law. against the right to work. i'm a history major. i understand the long sphrug l people had during the civil rights era.

i lived it. my grandparent were from a little town in tennessee where they were sharecroppers. i saw segregation in the heyday. this is the most offensive assault on democracy that has ever occurred, i believe in the history of this nation since the american revolution. we must do everything possible to get rid of kevin. he is here illegally. he's here ill legitimately. i, for one, will stand up for the citizen of this community and do everything i can to get rid of kevin. because trying to work with him, he has demonstrated he doesn't want to work with anyone. the current mayor attempted to work with kevin. he's totally disrespected not just the mayor but the citizen of the city of this community. >> there's no question. what has happened is troubling. so you -- spending a lot of money with no thought to who is going run the

city department in the long run. and i am concerned today. i asked the people of the city, can you point a single area city government where your services are better. are the buses running an time? are the street lights fixed? are you any safer? i don't believe you are. it's my hope day one to say i would like to see the emergency manager -- but in not i believe they ought to be the chief operating office. the next mayor ought to be allowed to come in and put in the cabinet, start put in the long-term team. try to engage with the emergency manager. it i'm allowed to come in and put them together and turn the city around, i'll work with them and if not then we'll be on adversarial situation. >> i have no plans to work with kevin. i have not thought about working with ken. my goal is to get rid of him. that should be the goal of anyone who is truly going stand up for the citizens of this community.

our right to democracy has been taken away. i don't think there is any community in the state that welcome having their vote taken away from them and impose the will of the government on this community. i'm against it and will remain against it and fight against with every ounce of blood i have in my body. >> this it is a difference between us. i'm going engage from day one, kevin is going submitting a plan of adjustment to the bankruptcy court. that could potentially take away the pension right of the senior. that could sell the water department and the like. i'm going to be engaged by day one of my own vision that i'm going first ask the emergency manager support. and if not got bankruptcy court that said we do not have to sell off the assets. we don't have to cancel pensions do. we have to restructure requiree health care? yes. i'm going to be engaged in day one. not waiting for it to go away.

let's start with mike. so many cities in america affectively seek advice that have shown a lot of success in their own municipality, economic growth, debt, they attracted business and lowered their crime rates. but detroit seem odd to have adopted what -- if you're not born and raised and from detroit, don't bother us kind of a mind set. do you agree with that? are there any cities in america you see are worthy of seeking advise that have shown success that you see as a city you would like to see advice and input from that are city leaders? >> i think there are a lot of cities doing things well. you always try to learn from those who are doing it best. i think back to when i was a prosecutor, and the violence in which community was at the terrible rate. the city of new york had successfully dramatically reduced the violence rate. so did the city of tbons. i spent a fair amount of time

there and studied what they have done. we brought them here. what we did is teamed up with u.s. attorney, the atf, the dae, all together to crack con on every single country crime so we investigated and prosecuted them, and made it clear if you carry the gun in this county, you were going prison. my last prosecutor in 2003 we had the fewest murder in 30 years. the other thing that they did in tbons. bsh they provided conflict-resolution and mentoring services, et. i think we can learn from the community and name a starve city. sympathy want to be respected. we have had a succession of attack on the city predominantly coming out of landson the people of the community believe that they have been under attack.

lansing took away revenue sharing. they took away the mayor office. they are proud people. so i don't think they're isolationist at all. they want to be respected. the second thing as it relates to folks from other communities, yes, the opportunity to meet with the mayor. it was very much like the city of detroit at one time. it was predominantly poor and african-american population, high unemployment. and i had a long, long conversation with them. they're doing a lot of things right in atlantic. i think there are some thing question imlate -- emulate here in detroit. >>let got next question, then. the senior editor of the "michigan chronicle" is up with a next question. thank you for being here. you talk about what los angeles

has done and the governor has done. this goes to benny and mike. you look at the city of ben ton harbor critics of the governor have said that race is at the center of this and given that detroit is a major african-american city -- [inaudible] do you share the opinion -- [inaudible] that vase a -- vase a part of? >> what i do know is that -- we discovered the issue. 50% of the people in the state who look like you and i have been disfranchised by this state.

that was in the heart of the civil right movement and disfranchise a majority of the population we would sit back and -- think t okay only because we have a financial problem. they really need somebody to come in and run that city. i think that -- as the nation and we would be highly offended as well we should be. >> there is no question what has been happening in the state is disproportionately affecting the african-american voters. and it's hard not feel. i'm not going pretended to be able to read inside the

governor's motive. you have to look at the effect. the effect is disturbing. what is equally disturbing is the complete failure of the mrnlgt -- emergency manager in the history. if you look at what happened in ben ton harbor. and second there's no other -- i find incredible that my opponent would stand here today and suggest he's offended by the placing of an emergency manager in to the city of detroit when we have e-mails that look not only a participate in the discussion regarding putting an emergency manager in the city of

detroit, e-mail that show he was a candidate. he wants to be elected now. >> this is how dirty the campaign has gotten to make things up. the e-mails show i lobbied fourously. i wrote positive ads saying it will not work. i lobbied and more than the chief of staff. you need to hold off the emergency manager and let people decide. that's what the e-mail show. the truth -- i think the conversation shows that conversation about race relations is devicive and the city of detroit, the suburb and the entire state. talking about the fact he contacted -- he was supporting mike contacted 106 ministers asking if you can speak and 50% told him no they

didn't the president. and he said it was because of the fact you were white. regardless i'm not here to debate that. having a racial agenda and dealing with issues to try to bridge the conversation about balance and harmony and how to do these things and do you have a specific agenda? >> well, dealing with the issues exactly as i have. i've gone to people's living room day after day and talk to people face to face. >> as mayor would you? >> absolutely. the only way to get to know people and let them get to know you by talking face to face. what divides you goes away and what -- i've been treated extremely well. i'm in churches every sunday with ministers that opened their doors to me. i've been busy going to have churches i didn't know there were ones that hasn't. i think the ministers have every right to decide who they're supporting as does anybody else. i don't agree with the criticism. i'm going keep doing what i'm

doing. i'm running on a platform of unity we shouldn't be divided. we need to be united. i don't think anybody who has the best interest of the region at the heart suggest that it should be divided along any line racial, sexual preference, it doesn't matter. we shouldn't be divided. the only way the region is going grow is that we grow together in harmony. people need to understand and recognize there are differences among us. we have to be respected before the differences. i've been in and out of homes in the city of detroit for 58 years. because i've been here 58 years. as i understand the how the citizens of this community feel when it comes to the things that happen for the city of detroit. we have been since the last 40 years.

i've been hosted a number of homes where the house next door is abandoned and l the people say i go to sleep wondering if the house is going catch fire and spread to mine. i've been hosted by parents who have children morred and the police have not solved the crime. we are supporting you because we know there will be a different level of commitment in the city. and the 48,000 people who believe in change and unity i want fell madly say thank you. i believe we're going bring change to the city. we have serious issue. i started out putting my life on the line for the community when i was 189 years old. i continue to do that today.

some almost 40 years later. i've been in the same homes i been in before the victims get cleaned up and before the people have gone to court. i have seen the devastation firsthand. the next question from cliffs are sol. >> for the both of you. the mayor -- you've heard of him. used to say there's nothing wrong with detroit that enough good-paying jobs can't fix. it's pretty dleart jobs will not come from the manufacturing and make of cars like that used to. my question is, what is your vision for detroit's economy under your administration? what will you do specifically to bring investment and jobs to detroit? >> that's a great question. i have wrote an economic transformation program for the city that focuses on the neighborhoods. we're going put an economic anchor inside of every neighborhood in the city of detroit. so it will be the kind of

community i grew up in where people live, shop, die. it will be public safety mall. one of the reason that detroit spending money out the city of detroit is because they don't feel safe. when you put the police, fire, ems to the economic anchor will will be shopping, dining with it will drop. it will grow jobs right in the neighborhood where people used to walk to work. now they to catch a bus across wood ward and down 78 mile to go to work. we need the jobs in the neighborhood. i have a bold economic recovery plan. malls and the like with a city that is bankrupt. the idea you draw some circle

and say to business people put the $3 billion here it is completely unrealistic. here is the truth. detroit will come back when lots of entrepreneurs tart loss of small company and feed off each other. we can do just this. question take the vacant store front and make them available. if you want to start a company in the town you'll have the means to get fund soggy we can get -- up in the city to think i can be my own boss and start my own company. that's how we come back. that's the difference between me and my opponent. i didn't got school of i can't. i went to the school of i can. he said we immediately can't

do. whenever we're talking about doing something that transform our neighborhood, everybody wants to say we can't do. we can't do. i believe we can. that is the difference. i have vision. i believe the city can grow and be a bigger, better, stronger, tougher city. it's going to be that. we have leadership that believes in this community and doesn't have a defeatist attitude. that's exactly the difference. the last time the sheriff went out with a vision he went to the community and the county executive commission. i have a vying for a new jail. and i want to build this new jail right here didn't bother to check out the number and the tax. they are $100 million in debt and tearing the building down. we ought to talk about what we have done not what we're going do. >> our next question coming from tom jordan of wwj news raid you

950. thank you. this is for both of you. we start with mike. what do you cowith the elderly woman who bought a nice home in the 19 60s when a nice neighborhood you experienced way back when. she watched her neighborhood crumble. she can't afford to move put to she wanted to. her home is ransacked by scrappers who are taking her windows, furnace, it's one of thousand of stories just like this. how can your spoask crime prevention plan address that specific issue to bring the neighborhoods back to life? and people like this elderly woman can once again feel safe. >> you can go on my website and see the plan which we call every neighborhood in the future. the first thing we'll going back to what i did as a prosecutor. we take the abandoned home and move families in them. i did 1,000 times and fix up the

home. we go after the scrap yards buying from them to take out the financial incent toif do. it on the crime side, we need to get the police so show up when you call. that means better use of the officer we have. if question do those things together we can make a difference in these neighborhood. >> i'll use the first few second. so with the help of the elderly

woman. that's my mother. she's been in the same house as 1960. at the brunt of the crime fighting that is focusing on making our neighborhood livable, walkable, and sustainable. i put together a crime fighting plan reduce crime in the city by 30% when i was the chief of police. i now have square mile initiative that would further enhance that crime fighting plan. i pledge to the citizen of this community that we will reduce crime. right where they live by over 50% during my first term as mayor of this great city. it can be done. it's possible. it it's necessary. it's about the folk in the neighborhood. >> if you have a crime fighting plan, feel free to smart. you've been elected for four years. promising you had a crime fighting plan and makes safer. in four years there hasn't been a single initiative out of your office been effective. on 30% -- we are still waiting

for the answer. what years are you measuring? we can't figure out what year you think you'll reduce the crime. we'll hope you will tell us. >> the numbers are posted on the fbi's website. let's talk about crime fighting. a guy like this from behind a desk away from the computer, put on a bulletproof vest, strapped on a glock and work the street. he's not equipped to tell anybody about fighting the crime. the men and women putting their lives on the line are heroes. >>let put our finger on crime. the 70-year-old citizens doesn't have time go on the website. she probably doesn't have a computer. how different is your plan from benny's? you can also respond.

give us a stark contrast here. >> i'm going go right back to what we were doing when i was the prosecutor. and the sheriff dis-- the detroit police are heroes and do a phenomenal job. the detroit police arrest a prisoner and the sheriff let thiment out of jail. you haven't accomplished anything. and when i was the prosecutor, i went to boston, i went to new york and we adopted the strategy that drove down the violence. we created a team of the u.s. -- the atf, the dea. because i'm not running to be police chief. we have a police chief in jim. what i'm going do is take my experience and my relationship to make sure that when somebody is arrested for a gun crime if they can be prosecuted more.

>> the only way to reduce crime is -- community policing.

sustainable neighborhood. my plan is focused directly where the problems are. in the neighborhoods where the people live. >> i'll come back to my same thing. it you have crime plan, you have been sheriff for four years. what have you done to make this city safer? you have all kinds of talk. let's say we stick 139 officers who are going solve the street-like crime and the booned house problem. what is going to happen? you haven't fixed the street light and the abandoned houses. you have 139 houses sitting on hold dialing in and out of street light that is out. or -- those need to be on the street responding to calls. >> i've done in more one as a police officer in the city than he's done in a lifetime. let me start with that. the fact is that the only way we're doing reduce crime is use the proven technique, as sheriff i have any scout program is that working throughout the city of detroit that is impacted.

in the last neighborhood we reduced it by 200% by being there two days a month. we have been working raiding houses, picking up hookers and prostitutes for 40 years. >> we're going take a quick timeout and be back. the great debate for mayor of detroit. right after this. ♪ welcome back. we're talking with mike and benny who are trying to win your vote on november 5th. i'll start off the questioning here with a question that many people have been asking, and benny, let me begin with you with crime, unemployment, from so many different issue. if elected mayor, what is the first issue you will tackle? >> the first one you have to

have a plan to address the issues that are confronting our community. there is no question. the lifelong detroiter, a firm in detroit is a safe city has to be the number one issue of anyone who take over the mayor's office. in addition to that, we have some serious issue with the finances. we need to make sure we do whatever we can to make sure kevin's tenure in the city of detroit is limited. hopefuy he'll be gone by january 1st. but if he's not, getting rid of him and getting control of the government back to the elected mayor of this city of detroit has to be a top priority. then so you to focus on the other issues. we have some serious issues as detroiters. one of those issues is insurance. detroit is plagued with the highest -- those are the things we need focus on. getting the finance straight, crime, blight, insurance. >> mike?

is the population going up or down? if it's going down more people want to leave than come. if it's going up more people want to come here than leave. i'm going work hard to reverse the crime of population. we're going attack three things. cut the police time. we have to be confident in this city that the officers are going though up. right now the criminals are not afraid. second, we have to repair the street light. it's an embarrassment we have much of the iewnty living in the dark. we have to take the abandoned home as i did as a prosecutor and moving families in. if in the first 100 days people see the police starting to show up. the street light come on an the abandoned buildings occupied. i think question generate hope and start to go on a path that we can rebuild the city the way we want.

a question for both of you. we heard about the corporate community stepping up in detroit and buying new police cars and making commitment to the -- i speak to fear that those commitments may come with a price that it's essentially payable. the police cars and thing that would allow them to control real estate, to build their own light rail system, stadium, to take over reality -- real estate and the lightening department. what is your view on corporate responsibility and corporate roles in detroit, and your thought about tax abatements. >> so to start with, i think it's an important to build a coalition that include all the community. i'm proud to have a number of business leaders in this town supporting me.

we have to a lot of growth going on in downtown and in midtown. but we are losing way too much population out of the neighborhoods. and so we're going come back to the plan you will find on my website to make sure every neighborhood has a future. and that means take the abandoned homes and move the families in. take the vacant lot next door to the house and sell to the person who is there. i think what we want to do is get many of the businesses to partner with new entrepreneurs and fill up the store front. to say that -- that can't be referring to me.

but i have enjoyed the support the teamsters. i've enjoyed the tremendous amount of support from labor. the dpoa. the lieutenant sergeant association. we both have support in the community. but the fact is, the question that most is important who is going to focus on the neighborhood? and the neighborhoods have been where i've been since the beginning. i believe that we focus on neighborhoods, neighborhood, neighborhoods, we will grow this community. i don't oppose tax abatement. i believe tax abatement should be given fist to people who are already here doing business. >> i'm going to come back to the same question. you have been sheriff for four years, before the neighborhood what have you done? if you look at the 3 years i spent i went to the neighborhood and seized 900 drug houses. we moved drug dealers out and

families in. we went block by block and took more than thousand abandoned houses. when you replace the abandoned house and people in. people plant flowers. just like life, hope spread. >> i didn't think i would have to give the former deputy county prosecutor a civics lesson. he knows the sheriff's constitutional mandate is the jail, the park, and the court. every city in wayne county has the own police department. they also are responsible for policing their community. that comets tout tens of thousands. >> we continue question here. >> gentleman, the relationship that the city of detroit has with the state, the state capitol lansing is important.

what specific relationship do you gentleman have with specific people in lansing that you believe will have a positive impact on the city of detroit. >> i worked closely with all the legislative representatives who elected from wayne county 43 communities. working with people inside the community focus on issues that are important to the region. and enjoy a tremendous amount of support through the community. i've been in public service for 38 years. i have worked with people during the entire time. i'm going use those connections,

that focus to go in to the communities and make our neighborhood safer. make them more liveable, walkable, and sustainable. the neighborhoods, the neighborhood, the neighborhoods. >> we need recognize as a reality. detroit is 8% of the state's population. if all we cois fight with the other 92%. we are going it keep fighting. when i was a ceo we were heavily depended on the state of michigan because the number of uninsured and medicaid patient we dealt with. when rick ?ietder of elected governor in 2010, and the republicans took the house and took the senate. i went up and said we're going lobby for our money. because it was a group of hospitals outstate that immediately started to change the funding formula to move funding out of detroit to the city and grand rap yaidz area. i sat with the new republican senate chair. i sat with the governor and i showed them objectively that not

just dmc but henry ford and saint john were doing an outstanding job to delivering care to the poor. when it was done every dollar got reinstated back to the city of detroit. we can do it on a bipartisan basis. we have to work at it. >> let's talk about the fairytale of the dmc turn around. $50 million came from the governor. huge tax break from county executives. $30 million in fines paid to the justice department for bribes, fraud, and kickback. it was sold a non-profit hospital where my opponent got millions of dollars in cash and stock options while hundred and thousand of people got laid off. that's not turn around. >> it's astonishing how many untrue thing you said in 30 second. let start with this the 50 million was goifn my predecessor by got there. and it was gone.

and when i came in, dmc was on the verge of laying off 4,000 people closing receiverring, closing and closing the hospital. we worked together turn it around. ..

what can you tell voters who are watching tonight who are not supporting you and they are in the middle wondering what you can demonstrademonstra te the shows leadership and ethics and can you explain yourself from the police department and from wayne county and i will start with mike. >> i was there with us. in wayne county i was there 14 years and we balance the budget 14 years. we build comerica park and ford field and while there was one member of art administration indicted the u.s. attorney at the time said ari clearly i had never been under investigation it on the other hand share of napoleon spent five years in the administration where that had been under investigation as well. i think what you really have to look at our results and i would encourage your viewers to call somebody you know who works at dmc people who remember what it was like when you was like me going to the waiting rooms and wait three or four hours to see if doctor and how he came in and turned it around and deliver that karen 29 minutes.

have we went from having no cardiology program to the best in the country and that we went from 11,000 employees to 14,000 employees. they are $850 million in new investments. that's the kind of results we need in the city of detroit. >> it's no secret that both of us have been in government for a very long time. neither one of us -- mike has been involved in government probably longer than i have but it's not much different but the fact is from a leadership standpoint i have always been open and transparent. i have always been open to letting someone come in and look at this agency wherever have been -- it doesn't matter -- to see if we are in fact operating clearly. i have never been afraid of the feds have never been afraid of anyone because i believe the essence of government is people should have trust in their government. as a leader that is what you do. you would still trust to make

sure people understand. when people do wrong when i'm around they go to prison. it's just that simple. we don't cover up anything. i've never been accused of it and i would never be a part of it. >> any response? >> no thanks. >> any other response here? her next question comes from cliff russell. >> gentleman i'm extremely concerned as i'm sure you are about the young people in detroit. we have heard our schools described as pipelines to prisons. one of the issues that people don't talk about the think a lot about in detroit are the scores of young people. they don't have jobs and we don't have the recreational centers will use to have. we don't have the training leads to have. what commitments can you give us now that is me or you will be able to make sure these young people have better opportunities for jobs, recreation and for a future in detroit that you both say you want to create?

start with mike. >> i think it's absolutely the center question. there are many things i disagree with but none more than the priority you point on recreation centers and parks. he basically said police and higher are priority here and parks are here and we are just going to shut them off. we are just going to be hiring police down the road to catch them. we may not be able to afford to build stand-alone recreation centers but it doesn't mean we can have smart relationsrelations hips. we have middle schools and high schools with jim smack. we could partner with them to open these up as opposed to running our own centers and i want to do more of what what we did at the detroit medical center where we started project genesis hiring 100 high school kids to work or $10 an hour in the facilities. it's hard for these children to be something if they haven't seen it. eight years later high school juniors are in medical school

today and working full-time jobs at dmc. we need to do more that four young people. >> you know cliff i was not born a child of privilege. my grandfather was a sharecropper with a third grade education and my dad was a sharecropper with an eighth-grade education and came here with great promise of making a living for their family. educating our children is the quickest way to lift them up out of their circumstances. we have to recognize that our kids enter school not equal but they come in with two different tracks. educating children in an urban environment is a challenge. it's a challenge that i understand that we work in that environment is the head of the gang unit head of the detroit police department working with the public school system for years and years at a time. 13 years of my career. the mayor of the city of detroit

has the strongest advocacy for education in this community including the superintendent. >> this is one of the few times that the sheriff and i agree. the next mayor has to be the best partner of detroit of the schools have ever had. the city is not providing the kind of truancy enforcement support that we ought to be doing and i want to come back to project genesis. it's my intention and every business leader in his community to say let's create job opportunities in the summer so these kids can see the career opportunities that are out there. >> once again i have to say it's amazing to me that my opponent will say that he is supposed to a mayor or anyone taking over our school system when he has served as the treasurer. that's part of the takeover that is educating our children.

how can you be against it when you are part of that? that system needs to come under the control of the residents of the city just like city government so we can move forward and educate our babies in the city of troy. >> drummond there has been much conversation about the city of detroit being reinvented not just from a fiscal standpoint or geography in terms of where neighborhoods are located. mayor bing put forth at planners talked about shrinking some of the neighborhoods and so forth to your quick thoughts on the need to shrink favorites and which neighborhoods should be the ones that would go or what would you do and sheriff let me start with you. >> i have gone through all of the information that was put out by destroyed cities and a lot of that i agree with it i'm just not certain i agree with shrinking the city from the perspective of putting people out of their homes and relocating them someplace different than where they have been. when i hear that i think about my mother. she has been in her house since

1960. the neighborhood is not the same neighborhood that she raised her children in. it's not the same area but to tell her after all this time that she has to leave her house and go someplace else because you want to shrink the city is a little in there a little and fair and insensitive. we have to be more creative in what we do and as it relates to urban farming you know the city of detroit was once a great metropolis. i think it can be that again if we have the vision and the foresight to do it. i have been given up on the city of detroit. we have to be strong. >> this is the difference between us. i have a plan which is on my web site. what to do with the neighborhoods that have only two or three houses on the block? i agree you raise your family and that house and no one should be pressuring you to leave if you don't want to go but can we create positive incentives? we are going to go back and take the abandoned houses in the neighborhoods with one or two vacancies and we will sell them on the internet as i did when i

was a prosecutor. i want to go to the blog could have two or three houses left and say to the folks there if you want to move no pressure but we will give you the option. if you want to move we will give you triple the credit of your house so if your house is worth $10,000 in a block with two left we let you move into a house for $30,000 fill in another neighborhood. if we create positive incentives we can get people to do two things at once, fill in the neighborhood so we can build a population and allow some people who want to the option to move. >> are you okay? a republican fly in the house here. >> you said that carol, i didn't. we obviously have to do something. i have an economic development plan for neighborhoods that will put anchors in every community in the city and every new council district and from there we will grow out. i hope to see the city that i

grew up in the where you have livable walkable sustainable neighborhoods where you get rid of the light and bring new houses in. detroit has an opportunity to regrow itself to be the great city that was once again. i'm not saying that i agree with what mike says compact just have different idea. >> here is the next piece of what i want to do. when we moved the folks out of the sparsely populated neighborhoods we are going to sit down and partner with the neighborhood to say what you want to do with that structured land? do you want to have a community garden? do you want to create a wreck region area so we will do two things at once. we will move some of the people out of the neighborhoods but then we will partner with community groups to see what we can do to reuse that property and when you create a partnership we will then start using our land. >> i'm going to ask about to be a copy editor. his january 2000 and 15 in each of your mayor. what will be different for the city of detroit and what will

they say about you being mayor and the difference to of the city in your first year? >> detroit, the city has come back. it's bigger and stronger and tougher and prettier and better than it has ever been. >> i have a clear plan on what i want to do so as here is where we have to go the first year. we are going to get the police to show up. we are going to cut the police response time so people feel safe and businesses feel safe. second we are going to demand accountability from the street light repair crew so we can stop living in the dark and third we will take these abandoned homes. if we can can do that will bring the neighborhoods back in the other thing i'm going to do that first year is similar to what we ran it tmc pet i want to start a car insurance program we offer auto insurance. it's absolutely ridiculous the car insurance rates in the city driving people out of the neighborhoods. >> we are winding down the questions but as part of what we agreed to at the start it's time

for closing statement and again by the toss of the coin and mike duggan you go first. >> it's been almost a year since i left the job i loved the dmz and an extraordinary year. i campaigned in every corner of the city and. i've been campaignicampaigni ng living room to living room backyard to backyard churched to church and i've been greeted greeted with warmth and kindness in every corner of this community. i've had some rough times and i got thrown off the ballot for filing my petitions two weeks too early. the people of the city said we can do this. when i launch the right and we saw some dirty tricks. they sued me and people said don't worry we can spill 48,000 people spell my name properly and i want to say thank you and i promise you one thing. if you trust me with your vote on november 5 i will fight just as hard the next four years as your mayor to help build the detroit that the people of the

city deserve. >> we will hear from sheriff benny napoleon. >> detroit this is a serious election. i have a neighborhood revitalization plan that is on line at 62 pages long that will revitalize this community and away they have never seen the last 50 years but i've a square mile initiative that will make the city safer livable walkable and sustainable once again one square mile at a time. let me just say this. my opponent says he has coming in from detroit for the last 32 years. how many of you have seen him in the last 32 years before he began to run for mayor? while he was sleeping in livonia i have put on a bulletproof vests a 40-caliber glock while he was sleeping. while he was sleeping we were resting murders and carjackers while he was sleeping in livonia. we were getting rid of young

boys -- i was taking flags off of the coffins of slain police officers who had given your lives for you while you were sleeping. >> gentlemen i want to thank you both for taking time to be part of this and that concludes the first televised debate between mike duggan and benny napoleon and thank you both for being here. we hope you learned a bit more about them. i want to get my things to cliff johnson and bankole thompson. you can watch this debate on our sister station at 5:00 p.m. sunday october 27 and you can listen to it on wwj newsradio 950 october 22. the next conversation between these two gentlemen will take place wednesday october 23rd at the detroit economic club at the kobo center which i will be pleased to be moderating. thanks for being with us.

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