is on the forefront of the minds of anyone who is arrested in the subject. >> you said that you're not cynical but you skeptical. i was just wondering if this experience make you more broadly skeptical of experts, maybe lots of scientists and esteemed experts and politicians across the board, academics, are actually useless gas bags or just self promoters, something like that? >> are you a journalist by chance? >> sometimes. >> i think you can't possibly be a journalist unless you question everything you hear. we are targeted at, and, and many people call us cynical. many people complain about us. i've heard it all, and they may be right, they may be wrong but i would say that i don't trust any experts. and that's just my professional constitution. i'm hopeful often that once i do

the research myself, and once i go to try to back it up, that i can demonstrate that that person was right. but i never take anyone's word, intel of done my own reporting. >> -- until i've done my own reporting. >> i just wanted to say, i spent an entire night last week reading nina's book cover to cover completely mesmerized. and it's hard to mesmerized at that level, especially given the way and and my background. >> who are you? >> my name is -- i have spent a great amount of my life so far on these issues, and when i started reading nina's book i was very effort. my heart was pounding because i could tell how fair she was trying to be and i was like, is

jeffrey sachs going to get away with this? to me it's not a matter of jeffrey sachs. it's beyond him. it's an entire thinking class of people who never ever would ever imagine in the minds but africans, just like anyone else, are no different than anyone else. the only way we're going to make this is going to be through capitalism. i like to say conscious capitalism but that is the only way forward. it reminded me of an argument i had at some point with his editor at "new york times" and she was in giving my husband and she had the nerve to say, i heard some talk, and she was saying, i could see why capitalism and business can work in china in india as vehicles of economic development. but i don't see how that would be relevant to africa. how come they get capitalism and we got economic development? >> you make such an interesting

point, and a talk about this in my book. there is this tremendous overlay or suggestion of neocolonialism as people talk about it, and it can make you feel terribly uneasy when you're on the ground as an outsider in africa watching the absolute domination in foreign aid and committing a circles of europeans. when africans the europeans they mean americans and europeans. and it is unsettling and, of course, there are so many people who work in development in foreign aid who are deeply devoted. you don't work in those fields unless you're devoted to your cause. but it is unsettling and i think you raise a very important point. >> please, as you go around and talk about your book and i don't know if you spent any time on in giving people, but i think i would've loved when everything the book to see some hands on what i like to call the business, the industry that made. because it's a real industry.

>> sure. >> jeffrey sachs is lucky to have nina monk write this book. she spent securing over backwards. just not like report who called you out a blue glass the deadline in the morning and is now time to check anything. so you'll be lucky to read her book, six years in the making, six years making. it's a great book. [applause] >> you're watching c-span2 with politics and public affairs. weekdays featuring live coverage of the u.s. and. on weeknights watched the public-policy events, and every weekend the latest nonfiction authors and books on booktv. you can see past programs and get our schedules at a website and you can join in the conversation on social media sites.

>> the romance of the mob, those of you who are mafia buffs, to a certain degree o its romantic bt there's a level of brutality to suggest, terrible, okay? you can never come as a writer but what people say to me like and being interviewed, peter, don't you get captured by this? don't you kind of lost into the skies ours? the term moral captures what a federal prosecutor later use to describe what he thought happened, hang around with all these guys. he would wear a pink evening. he would dress like a wiseguy, where gold jewelry. every other word wasn't afford. he said i had to get with these guys. i had to be like them to convince them, trusting, in fact after a certain point the stockholm syndrome happened. you begin to cross the line. as a journalist is fastened as and buy the stuff i have to every day, don't fall in love with these guys. think of the joe pesci scene in

goodfellas where he stabbed the guy to death with a fountain pen. that's what you got to remember, okay? not everybody in the mob is like that but this is joe. remember, second son, he ends up, this is how he ended up. this is fbi surveillance video. this is where in the mid '80s he paid his dues with the government. most probable cause for the wiretaps in the mafia case of rudy giuliani came from scotland see me. because of his championship season in the book that the mafia, the back of mafia was broken when carmine on the left, he goes to prison. fat tony, and anthony, they all

go to jail and that's what makes rudy giuliani. this is one of the stories, ma and i going to do for my book that is like wow. anthony, he was the underboss, then took over. he went after john gotti and he had a guy put a bomb in a car of frankie, and john gotti wasn't there and frankie died. he was blown to bits. so now there's a contract out on anthony, and three young guys came and shot at him one day and is eating an ice cream cone in his car and he flipped out, he survived. but you want to know right away, who are these guys? going to get the. this is a famous interview he did with ed bradley, god rest

his soul, great journalist. you cite but the most famous murder. he got the mafia cops -- who were living in vegas as you know, in 2005 were arrested in vegas. i wrote a pilot for a series called missing persons on abc in my middle career, i started on crime story. my first trip to las vegas was to watch michael ishida script had written about three days earlier. i start at the top of the base is the work my way down. that was my first trip to las vegas. the mafia cops very audibly the biggest organized crime law enforcement story the last 10 years and they would've convicted of supplying information. guess what he told me? he told me that jimmy, the most famous murder, the cops

delivered him to him but in tennessee he got to learn that he was the shooter he got from others. so this is another part of rewriting the modern history but he said to ed bradley, i shot him a couple times, you know? 12, 13. >> anyway, anthony gave me an interview from prison. that was an eye-opener. again, the comparison to whitey bulger, john connally, his control agent doing life. two convictions. completely different story. i told the story in my book cover-up about lindell that joe. i introduced this whole story of a 10 -- whole story. the brooklyn da calls me in like september of 2005. ththe book came out and go for about a a year when they call me and congressman william delahunt

of massachusetts who knew the whitey bulger case also contacted them, as did angelo, this forensic investigative who got a lot of the files and the confluence of the three of us, then reading my book, resulted in delphi keo on the 30th of march, 2006, came up from sarasota, florida, were hit retired with full pension and was indicted on four counts of murder. on the right, that's a picture of him the night before surrendering. allowed him to surrender but the next day after he was a million dollars bail was set for him, okay? 50 agents support them, showed up in lieu suits, white shirts, either red eyes are blue ties and they surrounded him as he walked out down the supreme court and there was a scene unlike you've ever seen. they were like pushing people away. they look like soccer hooligans.

they were banging guys out of the way, straight army cuts protecting them while reporters were trying to protecting the they called it body checking the senator grassley from iowa mentioned this at a senate hearing whether fbi agent should be so quick to protect somebody who's presumed innocent of course, but these tactics were pretty wild. the trial started in like october of '07. headlines like this everyday in the new york tabloids. agent of death. like they basically had convicted him, but the star witness, one of the star witnesses was the woman i told you, and his alleged that by these reporters now on the left you going to see one of the most famous can probably the greatest contemporary port on organized crime. he played himself in the sopranos.

so tom robbins in the middle worked with him at the daily news. they interviewed linda in 1997 for a book they were doing and they claim that they claim they just happened to look in the case just before puppet of course they don't for a year and a half she was going to be a star witness, but whatever. on the right is mike. i'm have to tell you, okay, so please half of my book is accurate, all right? [laughter] but mike was the prosecutor. del veccio was on trial and so jerry who, by the way, when del veccio, at the height of the war, the war had waged from 91-93, working people killed including two innocent bystanders, literally that scarpa killed himself and lynn was no doubt leaking information to him that led to some of the deaths. this is why he was indicted.

they wrote about at the new that linda was going to be one of the star witness. linda allegedly lied and they abruptly ended the trial. look at now the headlines. two weeks later to talk about reverse of fortune. do know what he did that night with his wife? they celebrated at a steakhouse over champagne. he was given his own note of irony. listen to what the judge writes about it. this is his decision dismissing the case. is what he said. what is undeniable was that in the face of the obvious menace posed by organized crime the fbi was willing to make their own deal with the devil. they gave them virtual criminal in unity and return for the information, true and false it will only supply. battling to the fbi shield for his own crimes that also actively recruited him to participate in crimes under

their direction. that he would be employed by the federal government is a shocking demonstration of the governments unacceptable willingness to employ criminality to fight crime. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> at the pakistan i'm concerned about pakistan. i always want pakistan to make i want good relations with the united states. it's not just out of love for united states. it's out of love for pakistan. pakistan has to understand and realize as a nation that no other nation can stretch get to make your size bigger better than your neighbor. in his eyes is an advantage to india. pakistan needs to get over wanting parity with india in everything and be happy with security with india but as long

as -- that security has been achieved. now pakistan needs to trade in the neighborhood, address its economic dysfunction, make sure that pakistan's population doesn't continue to rise at a pace much faster than the pace of its economic growth. none of those things can be addressed just by building relations between an american military personnel in and pakistan superpower. >> the four pakistani ambassador to the u.s. on the english of pakistan and american relations sunday night at 9 p.m. on "after words." just part of booktv this weekend on c-span2. >> maura mcenaney recounts the life of the late entrepreneur willard garvey, the finance housing projects throughout the world and championed privatization and a limited government. this is ab