presidency of john f. kennedy than we read in the historical record, and that's the power of people in a democracy. maybe that's one of the ultimate legacies of john f. kennedy's short time in the white house. >> host: very nice, larry. >> guest: thank you, craig, thank you for a great interview. >> host: yeah, you bet, terrific.

>> we are hear to celebrate the release of two volumes of the black book of the american left. these books trace david's journey from red diaper baby to the founding of the new left, and then his abandonment of the progressive mission, ultimately to convert to being a man of the right. this collection of david's writings follows his unique journey ouring insights and how the left operates rewriting history, championing totalitarian regimes, cheering for america's enemies, and doing everything they can to disrupt and undermine the american

system. this is a story that only can be told by someone who has walked on both sides of the political aisle. thank you, thank you all for coming out. this room is old enough to remember, the prime minister of england at the end of his long career, he was interviewedded by a reporter who asked him, what's the most difficult thing you had to handle as a politician, what's the most difficult of

your political career, and he said, events. that's because events are the unexpected. they are often the up expected. i never thought that i would be standing here today as a conservative. with a book, actually, a series of volumes of a group that's running the country and essentially ruining it. my parents were card carrying members of the communism party, which means they were part of a vast international conspiracy that was, indeed, orchestrated from moscow, and they were attempting to -- or the goal was to create a soviet america. of course, they didn't call themselves communists.

i never heard them use that word. they called themselves progressives. my mother was also a registered democrat. over the course of the last 40 years, the communist progressive left that i grew up in had moved into the democratic party, startedded with the mcgovern campaign, and today sits in the white house and runs the democratic party. now, i know when you say, oh, the democrats, they are communists, people will look at you and say, this guy's an extremist. he's a relic. actually, i was calledded a relic by a harvard professor in the new york times for noticing an alliance between the radical

left and america and the fascist. that professor is an apologist, not surprising, but it was not like the "new york times" identified him that way. valerie and david axlerod are obama's two key advisers, one a campaign manager, and the other manages everything else. barack obama, valerie, david all were born into the same communist left that i was, all trained in the communist left, all graduated to the new left which was formed by red diaper babies like myself with the same political agendas, and they've never left it, and how do i know that? because i'm someone who did leave. now, i will tell you, if you are part of a movement that you come

to understand it is deceitful when you get out, you repudiate it and warn other people about it, and they, of course, haven't. this is a mentality, and you have to understand -- as i say, my parents call themselves progressives. leftists may be delusional, but they are not stupid. they understand that you don't telegraph your agendas because that turns people off. when i was young, stalin was alive, the slogan of the american communism party was -- it was not solve yet america dictatorship, take away the wealth, and distribute it to our friends. their slogan was peace, jobs, and democracy.

there is a guru of the left sames saul, people are familiar with him by now, who said. there's one message of the book which is don't telegraph were agendas, lies. that is if you want to introduce a comprehensive state-run health care system otherwise known -- that's communism -- what you do is, first of all, you call it single payer, as though that's a benign thing. it's not benign if the state controls everybody's access to health care can decide what kind of health care you can get, what you can't, and knows all your financial and health information. that's a totalitarian state right there. second, don't sell it as a

totalitarian system, but that you're going to insure the uninsured. you are familiar with the fact that obamacare is not going to insure the uninsured. there will be 30 million uninsured people when it's over, if there's not 300 million up insured people when it's hopefully collapsed. not too long ago, ruth bader-ginsberg, an extreme left wing ideolog on the supreme court who had only four republicans voted not to confirm this ideolog and never referred to as an extreme left wing ideolog, but that's what she is. not too long ago, recommended to the muslim brotherhood, which was then, thanks to obama, running egypt, muslim brotherhood, an organization whose spiritual leader called in so many word for the extermination of the jews that

slaughtering christians across the middle east supported however by the obama administration still support it. ruth's advice it them when they were getting a institution, but a fake institution since the muslim has a motto, but, anyway, she was advising them, and she said, i wouldn't recommend the american constitution i wouldn't recommend the american constitution. it was old. i wish i was making this up. it's kind of old. i would recommend something like the south african constitution. the south african constitution is the stalin constitution, sort of brought up to date. it's idea of rights, our founder's ideas of rights were

limits to government. the bill of rights was all what congress can't do, it protects the individual, the rights we have that are positive rights are given by the creator. nature's god, enshrined in the declaration. why say that? because if the government gives you rights, they can take them away. this constitution is perfectly orwellian. first of all, it guarantees the right to a government free of violation. madison called this right a paper right. it's like the stalin constitution. southsouth africa today, the mur rate is seven times what the murder rate in the united states is. it's the rape capital of the world. of course the left which destroyed the previous regime,

which was not an appartide regime, destroyed that, completely abandoned south africa. it goes along -- it gets everybody excited about the new world that's coming, and then it leaves dallas in its wake. in that constitution, it says discrimination is unfair unless established that discrimination is fair. that's a direct quote. [laughter] property rights, you have the right to property unless the government decides that it's in the universal good, they need to take it away from you. that's in the constitution. it's a communist constitution, and it was written by communists. now, the most important thing is not that ruth, an extreme leftist, has these views.

it's that where are the objections from her so-called liberal colleagues? nobody's objecting. nobody. you say, well, how can you call liberals progressives communists. they are not suppressing free speech. well, i have to tell you, a conservative on a university faculty is as rare as a unicorn. [laughter] they have suppressed free speech. they wiped it out in our universityings. oh, people think, oh, yeah, it's all free. yeah, you're free to have this left wing opinion, liberal opinion, and if you're conservative, you're free to be harassed and puppished by the professors if you have conservative opinions. that's a state of the universities today. i conducted a seven-year campaign on the simple principle where there's a controversial issue in a classroom, the professor should present two sides in a fair-minded way and let the students make up their minds. that was my whole proposal.

books on both sides. for this, i was tarred and feathered across the country. the let wing rose up in arms to condemn me to a demonstration against me wherever i went. that's the state of the country today. what is this left? what makes it tick? why does it think the way it thinks? how does it think? the first thing to know about the left is that it believes that people are good at heart, that we are born free, and that it's society that's the problem. that society creates inequality, society creates greed, society creates the whole range of social problems. this idea was first articulated in the modern age by -- this is

what they believe. think about that for a second, and it's an idiotic statement. think about it for a second. i mean, a baby is not free. it's completely dependent. a baby is not a cooperative person, moral person like young people. put two infather and mothers, two-year-oldses in a room with toys, close the door, there's screams coming from the room, what, in five minutes. if people were naturally moral, we wouldn't need morality or laws. conservatives understand that we are the problem. the root cause of social problems is us. how -- you have to ask yourself,

how can you, as progressives do, think that government can be a progressive force? government -- slavery, that was government, segregation, that was government, and, of course, the whole totalitarian system was done by governments because what is a human being when they get into a position of power? it's the same human being that you want to fix, but now yields all this power. however, there's something very important that slows from this delusion, and it is a delusion. this is why, again, the -- what flows from the delusion is this. let me not -- i don't -- i have a tendency to digress. i'm going to try to digress. the -- if you believe that social institutions are the source of problems, by changing

social institutions, you will change human beings in the way they behave; correct? what will you bring about? you'll bring about the millennium, bring about a kingdom of heaven on earth. there's no poverty, no racism, no sexism, no war. well, if you believe that, then you also think that all that stands in the way of a perfect world where everybody is going to have enough, everybody's going to get adequate health care, everybody's going to get fed, if you believe that all you have to do is change social institutions, then what do you think of the people who think that's not a great idea that it's not going to work that you still will have the problem of people and their corruption and their mendacity? here we have a president of the

united states who is a ha bitual liar. government is a serious problem in itself. however, if you are progressive, you think anybody who has questions about the wisdom of moving forward with this grand plan to redeem the world is evil, and that's the way they treat republicans and conservatives. you are evil. we, progressives, are the army of the saints. you republicans and conservatives are the peafort of satan. i mean that literally. it's the mentality of hell fire and damnation, and that's why they character assassinate their opponents. the democrats have one weapon. when it comes to election time, destroy republicans, treat --

paint them of enemies of women, children, minorities, the poor, evil people, evil people, that the democratic montra. the republicans are evil. don't forget it. if republicans are elected, they burn black churches and go on and on with the lines. it happens in every election, and republicans' jaws drop. i can't believe they are doing that. you better believe it. it comes from this core belief that people really naturally are cooperative, get together, honest, hard working. you know, as i say it, you know, maybe i spent too many years as a conservative, but it seems it me who in their right mind could believe this?

but they do. they do. that's what motivates them to attack the way they attack. the second thing to understand about people on the left that's progressive, so-called liberal -- i hate the word "liberal" because they are bigoted, uncroup louse, issue unscrupulous. they hate -- they demonize, particularly, white people, christians, increasingly jews. of course people who earned their living. people who make money. they don't hate people. they want to be filthy rich, and obama's beginning to be a 150 billionaire shortly, and the new governor of virginia made whatever he's made, 25-50 million in politics, and they

all want the money for themselves because they think that they are the saviors of the world. that's how they see themselves in the army of the saints, so, hey, of course, i deserve it. i know best -- i know what's better for you or best for you. that is their mentality, but the second fundamental thinking people are good in society that government is the solution, they are future oriented. this is very, very important, and i don't think any conservative understands this in their bones. the way i do, but future oriented. what i would say in a normal way of looking at human affairs is to look at the past and see what works and see how people behave

for thousands of years, and what the limits then, that you can accomplish. how much can you change things? have people changed in 3,000 years? don't believe it. how can we read the bible and the length of the people and how people changed. people have not changed. they are the same stories for 3,000 years. you know, the technology changes so they are have aspects that change, but people's greeds, lust, cain killing abel, i mean, come on. we see this from the republicans today. [laughter] people don't change, so it's not the conservative view. i mean, our country has moved polarized in this way, and we now have a left, a significant left, which we never had before,

but, you know, when the founders got together, whatever the politics, they all had this common sense. in framing a constitution, we're going to look at the past, the history of monarchies, the history of democracies, and they thought a democracy is not -- you know, they thought like churchill, the worst system except for all the others, and they were very fearful a democracy because they saw that people are swept up in passions, and if the majority rules, it's going to lord it over the minority, and crush them. that's why they put it in the checks and balances and the limits. progressives don't look at the past. if they did, they would never have dreamed up obamacare. [laughter] for crying out tears, you know, socialized medicine has failed for the last 70 years. central planning, that's what

the soviet union was about. there's libraries full of books about failures and why it can't work, and yet, they rammed through this centralized system, now it's, you know, it's coming back to haunt them, but how could an intelligent person -- as i say, they are not stupid people, but how could an intelligent person think you can have a centrally planned health care system that works? oh, anyway, progressives don't look at the past. they look at the past to discard it. that's why they talk about a living constitution. it's an old document, the constitution. well, people don't change, so, yeah, it needs -- you know, there's new technologies, and there's all kind of problems like that, but the fundamentals, the fundmental core reality of human beings in their societies don't change. that's why the constitution,

even though it was written a long time ago, is still the wisest political document ever written, and, you know, we are abandoned it as we are at air peril. what progressives look at is the future. you know? we, oh, these -- all these children who are not learning in schools, let's increase the hours of the bad schools. we'll have bad teachers teaching them longer, and then they'll all -- we're spending billions of dollars op these early school programs that test after test show don't work because it's -- obviously, it's not just the school. the future, so they have a future where everybody is -- we're going to throw money at poor people making them just like middle class people. no, it's not.

that's the problem. it's not. their future in which there's perfect equality, you know, no war, no poverty is imaginary. a difference between the past and the future. the past you can make a mistake in analyzing, but it actually happened, and there's actually records. the future is a fantasy. it's a delusion. it's the core belief of everybody on the left that there is this golden future if we can just get enough talent and enough money to achieve it. i steel have this vision of nancy pelosi on the day they got obama care through beaming and saying, first we got social security, and i think bankrupt.

then we got medicare, bankrupt. now we're going to quadruple down on obamacare. what? what could she have been thinking? what she's thinking is this is the corner stone of the socialist future, which is what she believes in, that, you know, everything else fails because we didn't get enough money. we couldn't extract enough money because of these evil republicans who are antitaxation it's an imaginary future, and that makes it dangerous. these people with pumped up, their own intoxication by their own self-righteousness in bringing together the wonderful world in which all you, republicans, conservatives are determined it prevent from happening, and that is the only obstacle to them. we, human beings, are the root

cause of all social problems and all government problems as well. if human beings were not so screwed up in their way, yeah -- it's not hard to lie, is it? everybody does it. we do the fib, it smooths things over. we then have power at stake, and, you know, wonderful goods at stake, lies grow and grow and grow until there's a president 36 times who told the american people you can keep your health care. we're not going to take your plan away. lies. knowing he was lying. why did he lie? because as we build a socialist future, it's going to be so good we just have to get over this hump so that any lie will that serves it will be good. the more beautiful the idea, the nobler the cause, the greater

the crimes you are willing to commit. if you could actually have a world where there was no war or paverty, on and on, all things eliminated, what lie would you not tell and commit? that's why progressives empower and killed a hundred million people in peacetime. this is not just like hitler did in war. in peacetime, progressives killed over a hundred million people across the communism world. len nondid not come to power saying i'm creating goo logs, put tens of millions of people in slave labor and slaughter other. he said, peace, land, bread. he had a vision of the beautiful future that marks promised. that's what he had a vision of and that caused him to be such an evil individual.

the fair thing, the third fundamental problem or thing to watch in the left. you can see the syndrome, is this vision of the perfect future, the land that never existedded and never will, but which you identify, and everything that you do is to get to that land. every sacrifice you make, every misdeed that you excuse yourself in doing is justified by that future. you're allegiance to that future causes you to be alienated from your country. the uncertain loyalty to country is endemic in the democrat party. republicans get away with this

all the time. we lost thousands of young men and women to keep iraq out of the -- to take it, first of all, from a monster tie -- tyrant who had mass graves with 300,000 bodies in it, and to keep iraq from being part of the islamist fascist an nexus, to kp iraq independent and relatively free. obama betrayed every single american who gave their life in iraq by turning it over to the iraqi without keeping an american base in 20,000 american troops as the joint chiefs wanted. that was an -- we spent over a trillion dollars in iraq, and we got nothing. i know all those eluded leftists

who said no blood for oil -- where does the oil go? it went to china. america did this out of a great goodness that is this country. they made these sacrifices. obama just tossed it out the window, and not a single republican said, mr. president, you have betrayed every american who gave their life in the country. this allowed obama to do this also in benghazi. there's no more shameful agent in the presidency than obama taking a phone call, learning at the beginning of the seven hour battle that americans were fighting for their lives in benghazi, paying up the phone, and going to bed, and off to las vegas for a fundraiser with beon

say, and hillary clinton is just as guilty. the fact that she's as popular as she is, you know, in the polls would beat any republican, that should make every republican ashamed they have not fought the political battle. how did they get the mentality? how can you betray your countryman like that? they have a negative view of the country. i don't care how many times obama says this is the greatest country, that's political bologna. you look at his deeds. he's empowered. he's given f-16 jets, gets billions of dollars, gave political cover and support to the muslim brotherhood, the nazi party of the middle east. that's who they are. it's as though roosevelt funded hitler and sent him airplanes in the 1930s. that's where -- and where are the democrats protesting this?

there are none. that should frighten every american. we have some heroic republicans who are trying to bring benghazi to the floor and bring issues up. we need a national leader like this. it's a taboo subject, the uncertain loyalties of the party. we have a secretary of state who is a trader to the country. i'm saying this to somebody who was in the anti-war movement in the 60s, and who saw what we did. what we did was cause the united states to leave the war, and two and a half million, two and a half million chinese pes cants were slaughtered by the communism party when they came to power thanks to people like john kerry, but kerry was worse than that. oh, it's one thing to be deluded and, you know, oppose your

country because that's a noble thing to do. we should not be thinking that way. patriotism is noble, not betrayal, but kerry did worse. he betrayed -- the actual people he fought with, pretended there was atrocities he never saw and were not committed in order to damn them in the eyes was world. now he's delivering nuclear weapons to iran under the disguise of peace. this is as much peace as chamberlain brought back from mew nick. they gave up one reactor. they have not done one thing for the announcement today. we commongrounded a deal where we remove sanctions, not that they were working that well, and in exchange, the iranians will

promise -- you can't say these words. we're living in a sur real political environment. the final thing about the left, so, there's belief in the innate goodness of human beings so government is the solution to the state, and people who oppose you are evil. the focus op an imaginary future instead of the real past and real problems that we face, conserve ties are pragmatic people. democrats, of course, aren't; otherwise, they would have never launched obamacare. uncertain loyalties because allegiance becomes this imagine their land, imaginary future, and you see your country in negative terms.

people said to me, how can you guys hate america so much in how does the left -- how do they hate america? conservatives look, you know, been in another country, read about it, this is paradise compared to 99% of the world, but if you're on the left, if you're a progressive or a liberal, you're not thinking about the real -- you forgot about south africa, which is now a destroyed country. you forget about south africa. as long as, you know, as long as there's not a right person as prime minister, you don't care about it anymore. after all, we have poor people, more poor people now than

obama's been at it, and once progressives get power, what they do is generalize poverty, and that's what the experience of the soviet union should tell everyone, except we don't read about the soviet union anymore in the schools because the schools are run by the leftists. the final characteristic of the left is its dishonesty. that's very important. i'm not talking about a -- everybody, as i said, you know, you tell fibs, you know, to make social things go smoothly so fart and so on. people spin, all politicians spin. they are, obviously, conservative and republican liars as well. no. i'm talking about a trait, a dishonesty which is endemic to the left. if you're a leftist, you're going to have to lie.

you have to lie about basic things like you can keep your health care when you can't. if you told people what your agendas were, what your true beliefs were, you really think america's a bad country and needs to be taken down, and you're happy we're no longer a significant world power thanks to obama. in fact, you're mad at obama because he's not made us less of a power. you're mad at him for conducting the drone killing. i don't think drone killings, you know, i'm good at killing people as the president said. that's a character flaw. i don't prescribe that to his politics. i mean, i'm going to distract myself on this one, but, still, the hypocrisy of it all, you know, we want to close down

guantanamo because we shouldn't be incarcerating people captured, you know, in terrorist attacks against us in afghanistan without a trial. oh, but the president can sit there by himself and, you know, push a button and blow up whole families in pakistan because they're suspected terrorists. hypocrisy on the left just knows no limits. you can want telegraph -- you can't say what your agendas are because americans are still in a place where they would understand something as profoundly wrong if you did so, and, therefore, they lie and lie all the time. they have it. if you defend something where you can say, well, look, you're a cop servetive. you say this worked here. this worked there. that's fine. if you have an imaginary future,

which americans will be very suspicious of because they don't want to put their lives in the hands of the government entirely, then you have to deceive them about it, and deception is what this whole administration is about. i never thought i would reach a point in my lifetime where i thought we were close or could be close to a totalitarian or a one-party state. where you could suppress any political opposition and just run it from then on, one party, however. if you are preparedded to use the internal revenue service politically to punish your o -- o poems, if you have in place a comprehensive state-run health

care system where you have access to the health information and economic information, financial information of every single american, and if you have a spy agency that has such supertechnologies that they can roadway and listen into every communication between individuals in the country, you do not need a secret police to destroy your opposition. you already have it in place. we have a president, and we have a political party and the democratic party that's shown itself ready and willing to embrace this very system which could end our democracy overnight. that is the -- that's the dark news i bring you. now, since i never like to ruin people's lunches, although i

always -- just the nature of what i do is to depress you -- [laughter] let me leave you with one -- we turn to the events, the most difficult thing, because they are unexpected, and to give you this very brief story. in 1986, i was on a panel in paris organized by the committee for the free world where there was a meeting between the vietnamese, the french, and the american, and i was on a panel, and it was called the title of the panel was, or the subject, is communism reversible? none of us thought it was. i gave a gloom-and-doom speech based on everything that i thought i knew, and low and behold, three years later, it was gone. don't underestimate the up -- unexpected.

if the american people -- this is thee people most unlikely to ever accept a totalitarian system, is that country of individualists are cor -- core, and i love my country, but fear my government. that's the conservative model. we have a country of millions and millions of people like that. i believe they are going to fail. i believe there's a tsunami coming in the next congressional election. the democrats go down in flames if republicans keep hands off each other. thank you. [applause] >> okay. as we mentioned, we have time

for questions. there's a microphone stage right, and, please, feel free to come up and ask away. >> the term you used, "the left," i prefer andrew's term for that segment of society calling it the democrat media complex, and i like that because it brings to light the role of the media plays in perpetuating the world view, and my question would be, do you have any thoughts about what we as individuals or in the various groups of which we're a part can do to undermind media's role in per pitch waiting this way of thinking? >> well, we have a site called truth revolt which is run by -- about the media -- run by ben schapiro, also with andrew. he works for me now, but he's

got the media complex. look, to me, the most optimistic thing in the left, five or so years, is the emergence of the tea party. when i came over from the left, that's the first thing i said is where's the ground war? where's the army on the right? there is none. now, i watched how, you know, the communism progressive left i came out of acted in the streets, we aided the democrats when we began, blew up their convention in 1968, and how that force moved the democratic party steadily to the left until the democratic party now is really run by the radical group of the 60s; although, i once formulated it differently. i said the democratic party is a coalition of communists and

crooks. that's where i would put the new government of virginia, on the crooks side opposed to the communism side. it's not that long ago when you would not have found three conservatives willing to march on washington because they look at each other and say, what are we, collectivists? [laughter] that's what they would say. [laughter] and then, you know, we've had a hundred thousand conservatives marching on washington, so the left, this is a law of unintended consequences. the left is teaching conservatives how to actually fight. it's very unconservative to wants to get into a war in the political a rein that because conservatives are profound believers in the constitution frame work, and what the founders saw was a nation where

there's conflicting self-interests, and they have to be mediated, stamped down, and we can't let anyone get on top of all the others. we have a whole new situation where we have this ideological situation driven movement. get involved in the tea party. >> david, a question i have, i sense that the dallas rows rollout of obama care is different than the other obama scandals like benghazi, nsa, irs because, first, you have the president out there dozens of times in videotape speaking something that, obviously, is untrue, and, second, that this impacts individual americans' pocket books. they are losing their insurance, and for all of us, i know what

my health insurance is next year, and it's up significantly. do you think the disaster rollout of obama care has the potential to, you know, harm the administration more than the other scandals? >> if there's a god who intervenes in history -- [laughter] obamacare will destroy the democratic party for a generation. [applause] >> to quote lincoln who quotes the bible, a house divided against itself cannot stand. you understand it. they are not just demonizing us, but ridiculing our core beliefs. what do you see as the most important core beliefs we have to be unified behind? >> well, i actually wrote about this, wrote a book, and the problem of the right is made up of conservatives who are not

disposed to fight a political war. you know, the only time republicans show appetite for blood in the political arena is when they are fighting each other. [laughter] it's true. it's sad. you can't galvanize a force capable of opposing these progressives who are religious. they are religious fanatics, and they are driven. they have a passion. you can't do that without having a passionate cause yourself. we shouldn't be talking about the debt as though it's an accounting problem. the deficit, the debt, the trillions that obama is racking up, what is that? that's a dagger aimed at the next generation.

their freedom, they will have to pay that debt. what's that mean? that means they have to work more days out of the year for the government than for themselves. every tax -- every -- when you have to pay taxes, you just tote up the number of days it takes you to pay your taxes, that's a form of indentured services. i would say "slavery," except slavery is a much worse situation, but indentured servitude is accurate. in politics, you should use the emotional metaphor, but i'm just going to say indentureed servitude. it's a threat to individual freedom. to take people, categorize them by the color of their skin -- democratic party is a racist party, progressives are racists. the civil rights act of the 60s

eliminated race from government and institutional regulations. the progressives, the democrats, the jesse jackson and al sharpton racists restored it. now we have kids all over the country -- that doesn't matter what -- they come from wealthy parents and be privileged, but if they are color of their skin is dark, they are going to get a privileged leg up in admission policies and everything else. you can thank the left for that. we have to fight a moral crusade for the equality of individuals before the law. for against making people more indentured to government than they already are. in fact, that's what the tax pat l really is about. we should be cutting taxes by 25% minimum. now, what does that mean? that means you have a -- you know, if you are working 180

days out of the year for the government, take a quarter a way. that's 260, so i make the math easy for me. you work 120. you got 40 # days of freedom for that. our moral cause is freedom, and it should be inserted into every speech that a republican makes, every comment on any of these issues. when obamacare is about is taking away your freedom. don't -- you're not able to choose your doctor, you're not able to choose your plan. you're not able, if you're young, and this war against young people, if you're young, you don't need fancy medical insurance. you know, you don't need pregnancy protections if you're a male, but the government is now building all these things into the plan, and you have to accept them. it's about freedom. it's about individual choice.

i think this has to be the last one. >> okay. like, you remember the day, the moment, did you have the similar series? >> oh, my god, that's another speech, but -- [laughter] actually, this book, advertised this book, this book has a chapter called black murder incorporated that tells the story. i was introduced to the black panther party by a hollywood producer, and i raised a lot of money to buy a baptist church in east oakland which was used to house a school for the panther children. i recruited. i was editing the largest magazine of the left at the time, rampart. i recruited by bookkeeper to do the books for the school because i believedded our own

propaganda. i thought the government would shut it down. if you're a black radical gangster, but you also portray yourself as a progressive as a panther leader did, you're untouchable. panthers murdered this woman i got to do the books, and that ended my career in the left. i -- i didn't become a conservative for another seven years. i was -- it really took my life a part. i felt guilty about having recruited her, and my world was shattered when i understood that. not only was my -- what i thought were my political allies were murders, and they murdered a lot of people also in this book, and inned radical son, but all my friends were a danger to me beca