he could do. the fans loved it. they fund, they felt elevated by it. and wilson, you see, never looked down on them. that was a wonderful thing for them. it was a great tool he used. and as such, i think he was pretty effective in that regard. >> you know, lucky for rose -- roosevelt he spoke with notes. in 1912 when he was campaigning, he had the 50-page speech in his pocket when an assassin shot him in the chest. the bum let re-- bullet remained within him. he delivered got-hour speech. because the 50 pages of the speech in his pocket it went upward rather than probably killed him on the spot. so they each had their own way of talking. and living. >> i'm afraid we only have time for one more question. >> speeches can save lives. [laughter] >> for mr. berg, about wilson

about the league of nations, the thought is -- i've heard he was so intransient. not willing to accept some of the reservations that some of the senators wanted. i'm wondered if you can reflect on that. for miss goodwin. thank you. i'm reading it now and it's incredible. >> thank you. >> i was wondering -- it's such a big question that choose whatever part you like. either comparison between tr and fdr, similarlities, disalready similarities. reflections give that yesterday was the 50th anniversary of killing of kennedy. how in the world do we get to campaign finance reform? , ii mean, everyone is so disheartened about the road where we are. what do you see in the future? >> thank you -- thatch. i don't think it was in my job discrepancies to answer that

question. i heard something about the league of nations in there somewhere. [laughter] which wilson wanted to have pass so we might have fought the war to end all wars. and wilson was intransigent. i think for a couple of reasons, one of which he was a stubborn guy as a rule. when he was over in paris, and he was there for six months, the president of the united states left the country for six months to negotiate in treaty. during that time, especially toward the end month five and six saying agree, i have a country to get home too. he began to make some comprises. one or two big ones in the end. he came back, and i think when he found this senate that was going to be completely unwilling to accept the treaty with its league, that is the moment, i think, the curtain came down for wilson and he said i'm not giving away another thing. and indeed this congressional

battle went on for weeks which is what prompted his tour of the country. even after his stroke, after he had come home. the battle went on in the senate. and wilson even though comprises were presented would not buy them. at the very end his rival in the senate, the dean of the republican party and the head of the foreign relations committee came in with the 11th-hour comprise which was a few sentences and largely sin tactical. and wilson simply would not buy it. so i feel -- he's the stuff of greek tragedy. this is man who didn't shoot himself in the foot. he truly stabbed himent -- himself in the heart. >> and i think what that raises is when we live with these people for so long, you really do end up caring about them so when they disappoint you, when they do things that you wish that they hadn't done, obviously i adored roosevelt and eleanor,

and yet wishing roosevelt hope -- opened the door for jewish refugee and not incarcerated the japanese-americans. he was allied leader that ended the threat of hitler. the greatest threat to western civilization. any kids used to hear me franklin be nicer. she loves you. eleanor forget that affair that happened so long ago. and similarly with roosevelt i have such respect for his domestic policy and just his persona, his views on war, i have no respect for. he would say the victory of war were greater thant victory of peace at any moment. he had the are manhattannization of war. i have a son who graduated from harvard college in june of '01 was going to go to law school. september 11th happened. he volunteered for the army next day and later got a bronze star

and went back to afghanistan. but importantingly for this substitution, he had written his thesis at harvard on roosevelt and loved him. after he came back from combat he said he could never u understand having been in combat how anybody could are -- but that's part of the glory of being a biographer. all human beings have their strength and weaknesses. it's up to us to really not forget the parts that is weak and bring it up. but at the same time, i could never choose somebody ultimately to write about that i didn't want to be with. i loved with them so long. i could never write about hitler or stalin. luckily i have found people i overwhelm overwhelmingly feel affection for. >> the last word hold on. we have been given a ten minute

reprieve. >> those who wanted to ask questions can come back. i want to give those chances to people in line first. enabling i'm the executive producer of "forgotten hollywood." what an inspiration you both are to all authors in the room and to everybody at the fair. [applause] just a very simple question. can you both speak to the importance of eugene in the election of 1912? regarding wilson, taft, and roosevelt? ? thank you. >> go ahead. >> well, -- 900,000 votes. >> he if mighty well. he was extremely important. i think he was more than just paprika in the big stew of that election. which was a really fascinating

-- you know, there was an election really of ideas. and there was so much progressivism in the air. it becomes extremely important in wilson's life later on. he's one of the people who will be arrested under the wilson law, the alien and is and sedition laws. he was delivering the speech said i know i'm going to be arrested for this. and now i'll tell you. i have gone through the feature -- speech he gave. i keep looking for the sedition. i can't find it. he was basically telling the people some workers that this was a capitalist war, and that they did not have to be cannoned toker in it. and for that, he was arrested. he was put in jail, he was found guilty and went to the supreme court. they came down against him 9-0. he was in prison. it will tell you a lot about wilson. the war is now over.

wilson has had a stroke. in he's in the white house he's about to leave the white house. people in his government, his attorney general who basically had put him in jail came to him and said, mr. president, debs is an old man now. he's sick and served his time. the war is over. he's clearly not a danger any longer. here is the pardon all written. all you have to do is put your signature on it. and where the signature would go wilson wrote "denied ." you didn't cross wilson more than once. it was simply because wilson felt one we had gone to war that sort of speech telling people not to go to war that was sedition to him. and he said long i'm in charge of two million people risking their lives, i cannot let anybody speak out against them. and so that is why he was just intransigent on the subject.

>> partly of the question nobody is perfect. no president is perfect. i written a book -- [inaudible] and it deals with eastern progressives and their religious -- [inaudible] you mentioned tr and the rough rider that could easy by will called teddy roosevelt and the buffalo soldiers as many as -- [inaudible] and wilson -- my gosh he said -- >> he had a symbolic gesture he invited booker t. washington to dinner and it produced outrage in the south and other part of the country there was equality of a social relationship that he backed down, i think, he -- but he also held imperialist

attitudes. racist attitudes. these people are unfortunately men of their generation. his record on race there was a riot in brownsville and a group of blacks arrested because they couldn't figure out who started it. it was wrong, he was wrong. and these are those moments you're absolutely right, when all you can say is that you have to remember the context in which they're leading. even lincoln, you know, in the 1850s was against, obviously, against intermarriage. against blacks sitting on juries. hef for the black law. you say how could lincoln have done this? the important thing is he grew from the attitudes and eventually allowed the blacks to come in. they were so important as soldiers in the army it changed the whole course of the war in many ways and issued the emancipation proclamation. there's no answering for them except to pave the context in which they are ruling and see if

they are way behind the context or in the middle of it or sometimes if you're lucky, the person you're dealing with is ahead of that. >> jo ann. >> i have a question. -- [inaudible] this is such a magnificent high-level conversation. i want to go a moment of history and passion in a different level. and that is, what did it feel to be like in fenway park -- [inaudible] [laughter] >> i tell you, having been a passionate baseball fan all my life and having only experienced one vict i are with the brooklyn dodgers in 195, -- [applause] then obviously i chose another team after the dodgers abandoned and wednesday to california. i went to harvard and choose almost like falling in love again with the boston red sox and he all the years and lost and lower house and almost win. finally in you're and '07. we have the season tickets to the game.

so we were at every game, and every playoff. every division. and to be in our town and see them winning and share it with boston, i mean, that's what is so great about baseball. somebody asked me what would you have done if the dodgers had been against the red sox. how would you have dealt with the divided loyalty. i thought about it and my answer was the dodgers were my first love. my father growing up in brooklyn taught me to keep score. that's where my love of history began. when i was able to record for him the history of that afternoon's brooklyn dodger game going over every play. he made he tell i was telling a fabulous love. i had a first love of a boyfriend before i married my husband. but the boston red sox have been my sustaining love for almost 40 years. and my husband i've been married for 38 years. the boston red sox would be my love now. [laughter] [applause] we have time for one more now.

>> on that note, i got to tell you some quick thoughts. i didn't know you were having coauthor -- i brought one gift to you. is that baseball, my love for you through your writing and all you have done, and i always feel you're the tim rustin of the "today" show. you couldn't give me a better compliment. i love him so much. >> a couple of weeks ago you were to be speak to us in a way we could understand. i love your energy. on baseball, my wife and i's first date was to a cleveland indians game, which is the boston red sox farm club in the '60s and '70s. >> i know. >> our first date was an indian games. lennie parker pitched a perfect game. >> and you are still married. >> oh. yes. >> hooray. >> we have a great thing every summer and it's called admitted night sun baseball game. it starts at 10:30 at night.

my gift to you is to -- [laughter] -- and so -- >> it's beautiful, thank you. couch. an invitation to you if you would like to come a mid night sun baseball game. june 21st, every year. >> i see. summer -- >> we can get you up there it would be so great. >> thank you, thank you. >> and i will happily wear it! [applause] >> okay, any closing comments from our historians? scott?? any last words. >> what a pleasure it was to have this conversation. [laughter] [applause] [laughter] >> thank you.

so he has to use espionage espionage, a guerrilla warfare and to anticipate them. it is only logical he needs a spy force, his own cia but then he has this huge background from the french and indian war and went out of his way to brush up on those skills so he tells general scott this is what we need to find these people

to help me out. expect a familiar face a former senior correspondent for the pbs news hour but now it is seles's thereof. when did you make the move? >> just a couple of days ago my first day on the air was november 11th and so far so good. >> host: why? >> it was time you have spent at a place you have done everything you to do their new opportunities and chances for advancement and its is a start up in everything that it implies a fresh, energetic, forward looking and my staff keeps me young because they are

all 27 years old. >> host: this is booktv we want to talk about the 500 year legacy shaping latino americans. what sparked you to write this? >> the publishers approached me in pbs was going to launch on the same subjects they wanted a handbook for a general audience so americans who are not latino's wonder what is a difference between the mexican and puerto rican and a cuban and why are they here and what is the background? then latinos are not really taught their own history well if they go to public school. with the introduction i say i have not done my job at least once a chapter you say i did not know that. how come i did not know that? so i think i hit both

assignments well for the general audience to give an idea how one add of six fellow citizens came to be here and for the latino audience, some affirmation, a history they did not know those proud and a not so proud history. leaning forward to the next 30 years where we become a bigger part. >> host: why did you start 500 years ago? >> guest: the first european settlements in what became the united states, not the western hemisphere or north america but what became the united states was a column of soldiers, a priest and saddler's coming up from mexico city in june now new mexico said delaying in santa fe. started there because to me that is where the united states is born before jamestown or plymouth for

st. agusta in florida. they tried to make a way in the southwest and there were looking for salts or gold to sell a and that is where the restless moving begins a. i began in the 16th century. >> host: what is one thing we will learn? to make 23 states it war was all or part of the spanish empire from vancouver island is in what is now british columbia, clear across florida and the enormous crescent was all part of the spanish empire.

there were three. the spanish and the french and english, rubbing up against each other so i suggest that you think of the united states not just english starting on the east coast moving to the pacific but as a multi empire issue that wrestles until we have a winner. that is the united states to jake every betty from everywhere and make them american. >> host: in the book is called latino americans. you are watching booktv on c-span2. >> i did not get that idea but i had the idea to do is a beginning book about computers and da's specifically invite inspired myself dealing with people with of the editing --

editing job i had in to talk to promote it was obvious people pointed to learn more but these serial at the time the we had beginner books but they socked. they were condescending, patronizing not but to say look at this cool. people want to use their computer. yvette with a the reluctance see to find out. >> you cannot do that duse reader of version long dash 5,000 copies came off but originally they stopped at 5,000 a and they figured we will put this into the marketplace then it will go

way. at the time not even the bookstore's wanted to have it. we don't want to insult "the reader" but even with just 5,000 copies, before the internet's when we had bookstores, real bookstore is coming they came in and it was gone in one week because people wanted it. that is for me. i want that book. >> today there are more than 250 million books and 1800 titles out there. find out more next weekend as we looked at the history and literary life of idaho.

believing they are correct so i would like to ask him whose interest because these rights and to what end? they would like to think only with the establishment of knowledge but i would suggest the claims are based upon assumptions many of which are dubious and the

kind of political culture is lamentable i say that because to say it is already well established. one thing to be safely said it never mind the cutting edge of scientific knowledge. but with the scientific culture with the enlightenment. in his famous lectures isaiah expressed the ideology in the way that the of you is there is a major if you know, this in relationship with yourself as well as the facts about yourself but that there is

such knowledge the foundation of uh tradition. still with the treasure of which dree must seek but then to what we must submit science is being guided by the nature. but then nine deviation from the fact that with the new atheist so the tomb should be considered together with justice said neuroscience and with the superiority but not only the evangelical l.

-- but tuesday our philosophy of the committee's. but the human mind dash a human creation is not the consequence of the will in the least of all they are a genius. is the weak minded religious of the poet of flesh neuron say and chemicals. i think there's some time scientists do not see their own sense of humor. [laughter] >> with his own computing power to say how we should act. but the problem is to know who it is you can tell the

indictments story is it just what popular site and staying source simply an abusive science with a political agenda? i think it is free it is certainly historically in his heart of hearts thinks it is usually the of fundamental assumption is certainly an abusive one of the great ongoing human endeavors in its essence scientism as it is often called but it takes a comfortable place in the broader ideology of the exploitation and destruction and for lack of a better word recall capitalism.

how that ideology meshes with their broader thought is a consistent interest. the only remaining question that to find resources that i hope to show many of those resources with the portrait of understood notion of romanticism to have the jigsaw of view of the world but on what grounds or contrary idea of nature this is now mostly lost to us it has none of the public presence of the rationalism presently enjoyed but with

their recent rally of 20,000 atheist in front of the washing 10 monument. with those revolutionaries maybe they can still speak powerfully to us. >> faq to the library for having me a and to