if things go well, it's home and if not you have the option to go back to the other city. these people did not sometimes. so i think it depends. the person who was with marcelo that tonight, for example, when i met him he was the saddest person i talked to. he was just completely devastated. he is a man of deep religious faith. he had an experience happened to him once -- you read about it when he was a little boy but changed his life in terms of faith and religion. deeply religious. and yet, he was completely devastated by this event. he felt like nothing. he felt like if he could be hunted down like an animal, if he could see his friend getting killed, it's like he couldn't understand it, he couldn't compute. but the last time i saw him, he was in a relationship.

he had a child, the person he was with had several children, say he was a stepdad, and he seemed if not happy but in a better place than when i met him. so you know, time heals sometimes and people move on. >> if one could assume that if thithishappens in other places,- speeto. >> one thing i found while reporting this book -- there was so much i didn't know. writing a book is like getting a phd. one thing i found out is [inaudible] a hate crime against latinos

lately historically. we have a pretty -- it's in the book. there is a chapter on that. we have a history in terms of hate crimes and we just don't know about it. there's some pretty horrific hate crimes that have taken place in other cities and states. not necessarily the hunting beaners situation but equally gruesome and the groups tend to be young males. as a mother of three latino boys, i was horrified when i heard about the case. my oldest at that time was the age of geoffre jeffrey conroy as friends and i couldn't look at him across the table and think someone like him committed this crime.

but i also look at him and think they could be victims, too. no one stopped to ask if marcelo lucero spoke english or if he had papers or if he was mexican or not, which he wasn't. in fact just a few minutes before the attack on marcelo, they attacked another immigrant who was a naturalized u.s. citizen from columbia who have been here for more than 30 years, hector. he was working in a restaurant and was walking home and they attacked him. he ran to a house called the lights went on and he was saved. they went on and be found and killed the lucero. no one asked him where are you from, what language do you speak. it was just based on appearance. it's a very, very complicated

thing and very scary issue. but i think i'm going to stop. i am all talked out. thank you so much and we can keep this conversation going. thanks so much for being here. [applause] here's a look at some of the best-selling nonfiction books according to "the wall street journal." this reflects sales as of november 17.

the author you may not have heard of but you might have seen his work is kevin kallaugher, the editorial cartoonist for the economist. how did you come up with the idea of putting all of your work into a book? >> this year celebrated my 35th year with the economist magazine. i thought this would be a great opportunity to pull everything together. and i did an unconventional way

that is becoming more and more available and i use kickstart her as a way to use raise money for the book and i raised $100,000 presold 1800 copies of 46 different countries and published this book myself and i'm having a great time traveling the country and selling it. >> it's self published quick. >> i have done books before but self-publishing when you are an artist is you can then make it exactly the way you want. you can get at the paper quality you want, designed the way you want him to choose the cartoons you want and get your best friends to be the editor said it was a great experience. a. >> on the cover is this an original drawing just for the quick. >> it is. this puts together all of the kooky characters that i've covered over the 35 years and i've probably drawn every nature head of state and covered every major issue during that time. and many of these people of

course saw the cartoons as well. >> you can see george bush and margaret thatcher, rock obama candidacy is you sending them all off? >> the pen is mightier than the sword i say. >> here is a cover that you did. think big mr. president and also something on the debate. where do you come up with the concept of drawing like this quick. >> i've done 140 covers for the economy seemed about 4,000 cartoons, so there is a little different process for those. the cover i'm working with the editors because they believe the story of the day they often call me on a monday and say we think we are doing something like this. and then when we sign off i have 36 hours to complete the whole project. when i do my political cartoons that iit is more like a column e it's my own idea on a story of the week ended the ninth coming in with the idea and i will present it to them.

one of the things about being a political cartoonist, which i would like to think is different than all of my other journalistic colleagues is that i had to cover local cartoons, local and international. the world is my oyster. so keeping up with everything is the hardest part of the job. of course the web is fantastic. if you read all the time, watching c-span you are doing all this great stuff its never-ending keeping up with the news. >> host: how long did it take you to draw the cover of "daggers drawn"? >> there were a lot of different caricatures. this took about three days. much longer than it would normally take. the original was actually much larger than they would even show on the cover so it was a great undertaking. >> where do you do your work quick. >> i started working 11 years in the uk and came back to become the columnist for the "baltimore sun" where i am today and the artist resident at the

university just outside so i do my daily cartoons, but also on behalf of the economist i do a lot of traveling and i'm about ready to do a tour wherever i am i will do more cartoons. >> where can people find "daggers drawn"? >> you can get it from my website which is daggersdrawn.net and you will see it at the economist bookstore soon. i recommend coming to visit and i hope that you enjoy the book. a. >> kevin kallaugher, editorial cartoonist for the economist. >> here's a look at books being published this week.

president obama dropped into the washington dc bookstore saturday with his daughters malia and sasha to do some holiday

shopping. when asked by a reporter what he thought he said he had a long list of books for readers five to 52. press reports say purchases included the kite runner and the heralbyharold and the purple crd the sports gene. earlier in the day president obama said something about the importance of supporting small businesses. saturday after thanksgiving has become known as small-business saturday. >> we haven't shopped here in a while. >> [inaudible] >> what did you buy? >> it is a long list, but some outstanding books i got a book for every age group from the

five to 52. all sat? >> you are all set. thank you so much. >> okay. have a great holiday. [applause] [cheering] now joining us on booktv is kevin peraino, the author of lincoln in the world of the making of a statesman and the don of american power.

mr. kevin peraino, what is the catch that you are taking with abraham lincoln? >> books about abraham lincoln but the policy is never treated as though my book is about lincoln and u.s. foreign policy. part of the reason is there hasn't been a policy in nearly 70 years, a kind of holistic human narrative about it and that is before the lincoln papers were released in congress in 1947, so there is a lot of water under the bridge, but i think that one of the reasons there hasn't been a book about the foreign policy is that there's a strong and competent secretary of state. he delegated a lot and so lincoln didn't do everything in foreign affairs. but the things he did do are really important, so i sliced it a little differently. i've taken a look at the things lincoln did do in the foreign relations but without saying he did everything right by the way.

he made some mistakes, too. >> was the foreign policy all tied into the civil war? >> we treat the civil war appeared to in this book and i also have a chapter early on about the mexican war. lincoln was a freshman congressman in the house of representatives during the end of the mexican war in the 1840s. so lincoln was opposed to the origins of the war and one of his first speeches in the house of representatives was his very strident speech opposing the origins of the war and president polk. he became known for that speech and political opponents by the way he used it against him in later campaigns. stephen douglas used in the 1850s when he was running against lincoln in the presidential campaign as well. >> but during his presidency, what is an issue that he worked on or had the secretary of state work on, what has necessarily

tied to the civil war? >> it was all tied to the civil war. the primary thing was keeping the european powers from recognizing the confederacy which could have changed the course of the war if they recognized the confederacy so that was the biggest thing that lincoln also had to deal with a series of crises with britain and france and spain and the russians were friends at the time, friendly power but they showed up in the middle of the war on the atlantic and pacific coast so that was an issue on the russian ships to play off of the fringe a little bit. so there's a lot going on but ii think people don't realize on the global stage. >> one of the things that interested me in this period is there are similarities to our own time. the parallels are not perfect but the world sort of economic superpower at that time, but lincoln was living in an age of globalization. it was the dawn of photography

and steamships and the boom in the newspaper publishing so the world is shrinking kind of like our own world, the age of globalization and at the same time it was an age of nationalism. they take cover as prime investor in 1862 and in britain they have no eternal friends only national interest. on the one hand you have a national conflict going on against the backdrop of the shrinking world coming into toomey there's a lot of similarities when it comes to that dynamic. >> kevin peraino, did abraham lincoln ever leave u.s. soil during his presidency come and get any world leaders come to visit him? >> t. didn't leave the u.s. soil during his presidency. he once went to the canadian side of niagara falls. that is the closest he ever got. he spoke no foreign language come in no friends in europe. he studied a little bit of german to charm the voters in illinois but you're right that

he depended on the secretary of state. what he did have enough foreign affairs that was very useful was his very good judgment. he had an amazing sense of patience and timing to compare his decision-making process to watching the pair right in on the tree. he would wait and wait and then make his decision. that kind of patience and sense of timing of knowing when you can make a change to the international power grid and when it's not possible is an important skill in the international relations. >> what is your professional background? >> journalism. i was a foreign correspondent for many years in the middle east. i was based in jerusalem. i worked in baghdad and reported on the ground in this area, and lebanon striking to this from the foreign policy side where i was very interested in the traditions of american foreign policy on the trying to step back and take a 30,000-foot view of the foreign policy and kind

of step into this period. you have cash s. clay walking upon st. petersburg with knives dangling from his waistband and getting in fights. charles francis adams in london, the grandson of john adams, lincoln blank minister in london. he had amazing characters. and you have lincoln who is always interesting and was an aspect of the presidency under cover. >> we have been talking with kevin peraino, whose new book blink in and the portal but the making of a statesman and the dawn of american power. you're watching book tv on c-span2. >> social media is a very old idea. we think it is recent and the only people today but really what i'd argue that there's a long rich tradition of social media that goes back to the era of cicero, the late roman republic that is the first century bc. the point is you don't need a digital network to social media.

if you have wanted was faster but you could do it in the old days. cicero did it with messengers running to afro and other members of the elite and they all spoke to him and it was very much a social environment that there've been many other examples throughout history. martin luther and his use of poetry and thomas paine and the common sense and the way that they would use more broadly the run-up to the american and french revolution. ..