again, history does not happen in a vacuum. and i am kind of convinced that if charles manson had been paroled from prison in nebraska and ended up in a, instead of los angeles when they try these things he would have been impelled on the pitch fork and stack up in a field as the scarecrow. he was in the right places at the right time. how did that happen? so what i thought i would do because you folks tonight, you have heard over and over during the years people's different versions of what happened on the night of august 1910 to 1969. i will tell you, there is some new material my book because in the course of my interviewing quite a few people, including, especially propitious -- patricia chemical who was involved both nights and do, besides a couple of sound bites of the 25th anniversary of the

murders has never given a full account of it. she explained it all in such depth with such honesty, with such clarity that she ended up answering the final couple of questions that the lapd has had about the murders of these years. so, yes, there are some new things. most of all, if it is okay with you would like to talk very briefly about four parts of this book, charles manson, as life, and the world he grew up in. let's begin with his childhood. we talked just a minute ago about all the things that manson claims. guess what? they are all lies. and it is all documented will. i put 21,000 miles on my car in the last couple of years, and i when every place he went. a lot of the allies can be proven with simple this is to county courthouse is. charles manson was not a legitimate.

his mother, kathleen, when she was 15, was unhappy with their fundamentalist christian mother, nancy who believe that girls should not cut their hair, should not wear makeup, and above all, should not do that terribly simple thing that led to every evil in the world, and that, of course, is dancing. we know now kathleen's side of the story for the first time because charles manson sister, nancy never before interviewed anywhere, and i found her. she told her mother's side of the story for the first time, gave me dates and places that i could go try to look. so here is what happened. and this is what everybody in the family knew, the real manson family, including charles himself. when she is 15, kathleen maddox living in kentucky she crosses a bridge of the river to a town

called iron tent. sneaks out of the house, goes direction because there are some clubs there were people can dance. and one of these clothes receive raises and know that, she meets a man, exciting aldermen, 29 years old. his name is colonel scott. colonel is his given name, not a military rank. but the colonel does not mind letting the 15-year-old girl think he is a war hero. of course, he actually works in the factory, is married, and has two children. that is the party leaves out. not long later kathleen becomes pregnant. she is 15. and she tells carl scott. the colonel announces that he is going to do the right thing further, but he has just been called away by the army. he is going to come back in just

a couple weeks, and they will take care of everything. and so kathleen ghost their mother, says she is pregnant, the father is going to marry her you can imagine her mother's reaction, but nancy really does love kathleen. and so she says she will stick with there. it will all get through this. it is not the child's fault. and colonel scott never comes back. and kathleen is furious. there is another fellow in kathleen's life who would like to get her attention. his nine -- his name is william manson. he is a common laborer his dream is to be a dry cleaner. and knowing kathleen is pregnant with another man's child, he married sarah about five months before the birth. there was never any question that charles manson was an illegitimate baby. his birth certificate was filed a few days after -- a few weeks

after his birth. william manson listed as the father, pro-family, and charles himself knew throughout that the real father was colonel scott. no doubt whatsoever. so later rumors that manson hated and feared blacks because he had a black father, for instance, never, folks, never, ever. manson and kathleen's marriage lasts a couple of years. he divorces serve. she is still a young girl. she is trying to run around in a little fun. her sun is never just left with strangers or offered for a pitcher of beer. instead, she does what many young women that a suit and sticks him with her mother or sister, donna. less husband and daughter. but he is cared for always. kathleen and her brother, luther , spectacularly botch an attempted robbery. it tried to use a kitchen

bottled and polka in someone's back and say it is again. the newspapers have a great time calling in the 80th ketchup bottle bandits, the greatest dunderheads who have written to the crime. and kathleen gets five years in prison in mexico, west virginia. the ticket stand. yes, that is on kathleen's record. never once anywhere before then or in the next 15 years was there any record she was arrested for prostitution, never warned about being a prostitute. she bundled a crime she never should try to commit. but charles manson was not the child and a prostitute, not the nor ever. he goes to live in make macon, west virginia, a little factory town with his uncle bill, and clinic, and cousin joann who is three years older. i found to win u.s. never talked before. and it if any of you get a

chance to look in the book tonight, you will see that the fatah section includes pictures of joe's manson from his baby pictures to his wedding album. those came from joe lane and his sister, nancy. they tell a real story. here's an interesting one that joann told me about charlie. she said, from the time he came to live with them five years old he is scary. violent, lies about everything. the first person he ever physically attacked was joy and to appear to the sick and the backyard and tried to stab or with it. her parents stopped him. his explanation, she made me do it. it was my fault. she's older than me. i was defending myself. in first grade, not only told to me by joanne, but corroborated by other people who were in school with manson at the time, first grade, he organizes some rose in his class to be a boy he is not like.

the principle comes looking for charlie. his explanation, the girls were doing what they wanted to do of their own -- that's what they wanted. you can't blame me. the same defense he uses all the years later with take la bianca. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> with a few weeks left in 2013, in publications are putting up their year-end list of notable books. these nonfiction titles or included in the economist's books of the year. in coolidge, a syndicated columnist and sisley recounts the tenure of america's 13th president's. ian bromley presents a global history of the end of world war ii in years zero, a history of 1945. in margaret thatcher, the authorized biography volume one,

charles mohr, a reporter for the telegraph recounts the late british prime minister's personal life and early career. in my promise land, the triumph and tragedy of his rope, senior correspondent for arrests this paper presents the history of. margaret mellon, a professor of international history at university of oxford recalls the events that led to world war one in europe and the war that ended piece, the road to 1914. in lean n, women, work, and the will to lead, cheryl sandberg, the chief operating officer at facebook gives her thoughts on women and. for an extended list and links to various other publications, 2013 novel looks elections visit booktv.org website. >> you're watching book tv. next, elizabeth brown recalls confederate general robert e.

lee's surrender to the ulysses s. grant-led union forces appomattox, virginia on april april 1865. this is about 45 minutes. [applause] >> thank you so much for that very, very kind introduction. is a pleasure to be here. robert e. lee surrendered to u.s. grain april 9, for most of american's a familiar tableau. here in the modest central virginia ament of appomattox court house. lee war of fine dress uniform and embody the prod gentility of the south's planter elite. grant dressed casually in a much better uniform representing the hardscrabble farmers and wage earners. after awkwardly is changing some pleasantries about their service in the mexican war the two men agreed to the surrender terms