a self driving car which covered over 600,000 miles given where we came down today i am not sure how many hours that took. [laughter] >> 600,000 miles it has been in one accident and was remanded by human him. ..

more effort to figure out how can we list fewer americans on the beaght field. peace things are coming down the road. on energy, the breakthrough in hydraulic frackerring and horizontal drill, we take a place like north dakota which went from 800 million barrels of reserve in 2002 to over 24 billion today. and rising. north dakota has a high employment rate we have gone up 50% in the last eight years. and mcdonalds now pays a bonus if you will sign up to work. that actually should be the conservative answer to income and equality. we would like everybody to rise up. we're not in the business of tearing down.

we should be in the business of helping every person rise up. and north dakota is a pretty good case study. if the federal government were actually encouraging it. we would be astonished how many additional jobs you would be creating right now. we are -- this year the largest gas producer in the world by 2015 we'll be the largest oil producer in the world. that's an enormous shift of power away from russia and the middle east. it increase our national security. but creates hundreds of thousand of new jobs. it lowers the price of energy. natural gas today is three times as expensive in china as in the united states. and that just affects all the manufacturing cost, you see also ripple effect are pretty remarkable. the system called regenerative medicine, which is almost like science fiction. regenerative medicine when they take your cells and they grow a large number of them. and they then take 3-d prints in

the most recent version and they print out the organ you need. if you need a kidney, they can print out a heart. if you need a heart print out a heart. doctor whose specialty is growing hearts. you'll see in a few years. remember the young lay i did who had a hard time getting a lung transplant because she was too young. ten years from now, if we're smart. if we encourage this. ten years from now there will be no waiting lines. you'll retransplant. you don't reject you. so the knelt effect -- it's important. what it means is if you don't take any of the antirejection medicines. you increase the likelihood of success, eliminate waiting lists. it's a different world. number one problem food and drug administration.

virtually every regenerative scientist i talk to almost certainly have to take their product to singapore, china, or europe because the fda is hopeless. if give use a sense what we talk about the pioneer of the future. then we talk about prison guards of the past. and imagine the 1840s and we had government in the modern format. the stage coaches pass a law to say that railroad could not go faster than a horse. [laughter] because it's an unfair competitive advantage. [laughter] you think i'm exaggerating. in the 1920s the newspaper got it illegal to have radio news. there was a brief period when you could not legally have radio news. because we have people protect their own self-interest. very few people go out voluntarily and give their

interest up for the greater good. i hear a constant tension of the pioneer of the future and the prison guards of the past. one of the areas is going to become the most fascinating is online learning. this is being streamed on youtube, for example, tonight. well, one of my favorite examples is here in california. again, when you talk about pioneer of the future. just as henry ford was amazing and edison was amazing, the wright brothers were amazing. the people wandering around today were amazing. one is a guy named intan shan. he's german but now an american. he wanted to come to an entrepreneurial, open society where he could do exciting things but he thought you couldn't -- it was too stuffy, too closed to new ideas. he started working on artificial intelligence at carnegie. he participated in the earliest experiments that building a

self-driving car as a project that research project agency set up a prize. they didn't go very far. they were in the mo vaf -- mohave cease earth. he moved to google. he decided he would teach a course on advanced computing. and he and the vice president of research for google announced they were going to hold the future course at stanford and make it available online. they had 400 students in the classroom. they had 151,000 sign up. drove the stanford administration crazy, was how do you regulate it? and how do you know they are getting a stanford-quality course. why aren't they paying tuition? [laughter] they had -- i don't know the exact number. i think it was 43,000 completed the course.

on the final exam, the highest-rated student in the course, in the stanford class, was number 441. that is 440 people not in the class got a higher score on the final than the best student at stanford in the class. i saw him after the experiment was over and said it was humbling. he said he always thought he was a great lecturer and always loved his lectures. he suddenly discovered if you took the online course, which was a problem-based course, you did better than if you spent the same amount of time listening to lectures. now, he then from took from that and found a firm awe disty with the a gone. it's a good example of the pioneer of the future. a stated goal of udac blank is

90% reduction in cost. and so recently there amounts to georgia tech, the causety was going to take a 70,000 residential master degree in advanced computing. offered the master's degree online for $7,000. first 77 all, think about what it does to student loans. second, if you're an adult and this is a class you really need but you live in minnesota or live in southern california, and your not going move to georgia tech, you can now take it in the morning, on the weekend, while you're on vacation. all of a sudden, we have begun to liberate you from the professor's schedule. most education is stunningly unefficient. the course will be offered from 10:20 to 1130 at the convenience of the professor three days a

week. that's not -- that's the world is going rapidly disappear despite every effort of the prison guard of the university system to block it. the most famous -- you can look it up yourself. i'm not making it up. go look up duo lingo. it's a free sight that teaches seven different languages. it raises an interesting question about the future of language education. it raises the question about ability to teach literacy on the smartphone. so nobody today who is ill literate has an excuse. we had a huge problem in detroit. the illiteracy rate is 47%. it's an enormous problem. we're never going have it fixed if we have literacy teachers from 5:00 to 7:00 two nights a week. you think about new structure of learning. the most famous is the khan

academy. it's an financier who is doing well. he had nephews not doing well in math. he did six to eight minute youtube videos explaining one math problem at the time. one of the things they discovered very early on if he talked directly to them live, they learned less. if he taped a video and sent it, partially because the pressure. partly because they could repeating it until they got it. which you can't -- it's hard to ask human being three, four, five, six, times. you get frustrated, they get frustrated, you get embarrassed, they get angry. if it is taped they don't care how long they watch it. that's what duo lingo. they take it eight times because they can't quite get. it the computer never minds. it doesn't say "boy, you're

stupid." todayed at the khan academy 3,000 hours of material and they get 10 million visitors a month. now, i'm suggesting we're at the age of breakthrough. this san obvious example. every state should adopt a law, that says if you need unemployment compensation, you have to sign up for online learning because we will pay to help you improve yourself. [cheering and applause] think about it's a perfect example of what i mean by breakout. the morning you say we're no longer going subsidize bass fishing and deer hunts. if you can't get a job -- they did it in the old conservativism. they said why don't we abolish it? well, you're not going abolish it. it's not plausible. you never get the votes. in the process you sound like

you don't care what happens to the people. if you say to them, you know, i care about you. i care enough about you i want you to acquire new skills so you can get a better job. that's the answer to the crisis of the middle class. unless you upgrade our skill level as a country, you're not going to upgrade our income level. what i did, i took $100 billion a year we've been throwing away and turn to the largest adult job training program in the american history without spending nymph your money. i suspect by, by the way, the morning you decided to something for it you'll see a substantial drop in the number of people taking unemployment compensation. because they have to work they might as well work. [laughter] and i think that will leave you

if you can't makes work, after all, we have already paid for it. he said you're right, i can't make you work. you don't have to work. but we don't have any extra margin for a brand new colony. if you don't work, there won't be any food for you. don't worry about it. you're right. luckily there weren't enough lawyers that the point for it them to get an injunction. [laughter] [cheering and applause] just a small -- let me carry you one other area. which, frankly, drives me nuts. i've been on this now for almost 20 years. i'll say to frame this for a second. i'm the only speaker of the house in your lifetime to help create four conservative balance budgets. [cheering and applause]

i'm manhattan we adopt a balance budget as one of our goals. [applause] that uses all the modern capabilities we've got. that's number one. because you can't avoid it. two, is this economy the best we can do? or are we going break tout pioneer of the future and liberating us once gone be the most dynamic, full-employment, society in the world.

three, are we continue to steal from our children and grandchildren. or is it time to get to a balanced budget by fundmently changing the government? and the other issue, which i list as a half issue. it's not relevant right now every day but could bite us at any time. the current policy weakness confusion really a very reliable national security policy? or is the world dangerous in doing in a more coherent form of national security policy. that's not on the front burner right now. unfortunately in the world you remember 9/11 that can get on the front burner every morning. notice i didn't say it should be the republican campaign. it should be the national conversation. every democrat, every republican, every independent, every libertarian, every socialist. this is really the best you think american ask -- can do? let me put it in context. you'll see why some grow

inpatient with my friends in washington. recently the internal revenue service announced that it sent $4 billion last year to crooks. these are on refunds inspect is your refund for your taxes. when i say crooks, they sent 585 checks to one address in singapore. [laughter] they sent over 850 checks to one address in lithuania. now, on one level you have to ask yourself, how you ended up with a government so mindless and so incompetent that it could cothis. $4 billion isn't big money, if you had to choose between giving it away to crooks in lit

lithuania and singapore or spending it at national institute of research. i argue it would be dramatically better to spend on research. i know, this is a bold, "outside the box" unfair, you know, -- [laughter] it drives me crazy, the congress is, to the best of my knowledge, no serious earth to think this through. i'm writing a paper right now i'm going to callover" sight hearings." a group of senators get together, senators or house member and they pontificate for the opening hour. it's really bad. i can't believe how bad it is. i'm embarrassed. then the bureaucrats come in and say, well, this is not quite as bad as it seems. it is pretty bad. we feel bad about how bad it is. we want you to know we take full responsibility for how bad it is. which has no meaning because we have lifetime jobs. we are happy for you to beat up on us for awhile if it means you

feel better and we can continue to go whatever we were doing that was stupid before we came down here. nothing is going change anyway. and the congressmen say it's a highly meaningful hearing and i'm confident -- isn't it what you have watched for most of your lives [laughter] here is how a foresight hearing go. you spent the first part of it describing what your -- you're trying to accomplish. for example, an irs system refund accuracy level to american express, visa, or mastercard. another "outside the box goal "these are constitutions that are alive. you can measure them. the second part, you bring in people who do it well. i list the three companies, for example. and, you know, i tell people, one of the great virtue of mcdonald and a similar

constitution is a trainer of young people. they are crazy to attack working at mcdonalds. it is the first time young kids encounter the idea that the ak sit -- accuracy you have to have on the cash rebellinger is higher than 70%. [laughter] that 70% may be passing in school because it has no real meaning in the real world. in the real world, they would like to you to be, say 100%. [laughter] this isn't an enormous shock and it's become a bigger shock the worse the schools have been. all of a sudden the kids have gone you mean every day? [laughter] you mean the change has to be accurate for every customer? can't you consult some slack. what if i can only do nine out of ten. don't you like me? this is kind of the problem, you

know, with the federal government. we know how to solve this. you solve it by replacing the current bureaucratic structure. not by reforming it. it's 120-year model that doesn't work anymore. it may never have worked. it simply doesn't work now. it's a model based on paper. so you have all the nice bureaucrats sitting around with the paper while all the crooks are side -- sitting around with ipad. you have a second grade virtue, but the crooks work after 5:00. [laughter] i first learned that from my best friend in high school. was a very successful tax lawyer. and i said, what is the key to what you do? he said i work later. he said the irs will issue a rule and it's a fairly less than think process to issue a rule. by the time they had the comment

period and they have finalized the rule, i will have found a new loophole for my client to get around the rules. because i'll stay late enough at night i will figure it out and it will take them three years to discover the loophole i have found. by the time they issue the new rule. i will have found a new loophole. he said i make a lot of money because my client thinks it's cool. almost every american corporation believes not paying the federal government is good thing. and frankly, almost every american believes not paying the federal government. i've had few people rush in and say i feel so bad. could i give them more? [laughter] so the second phase would be to bring in people who do it well. the third phos would be would be in a calm way to bring in the people currently in charge and say explain the system. this is a system -- this is what i learned from taking the tutorial of the

father of the quality movement. not about bad people. these are decent people in a terrible system. tell me what the system is. he began to explain the campaign could be effective because they weren't in the federal government. this is the most interesting thing that obama has said in a

philosophical level over the most interesting thing he said, period, he never realized that buying insurance is hard. [laughter] and i sad -- said at the time, if you're 52 years old and just now learning that buying insurance is complicated, maybe you should have tried to redo the entire country. [laughter] [applause] but he said two other things. the one press conference, when he was clearly totally rattled and it's almost painful the the washington post put up six pictures of different images between defeat, dismay, disillusion, and whatever the other words are.

on a personal level is fascinating. he said, gee, he didn't realize it would be more complicated to go kayak or go on ebay or amazon . the founders of google supported him. the founders of facebook supported him. the idea he didn't bring in a bunch of them two or three years ago and say how hard do you think it would be to design a highly complex system that requires do you give them the personal information to tell them the subsidize so they never know the real cost because they would be really mad. [laughter] apparently nobody who was competent. it's harder than amazon. it's not fair comparison. and then the last piece was, he said that he really did believe after the last week that it was going work.

[laughter] two possibilities. a, if he's that out of touch with reality about the largest single domestic project, what grow think he understands about iran? [laughter] or north korea. and b, if this thing is as big as a mess as it seems to be, how come no one has been fired. [applause] [laughter] [applause] if you want to talk about institutionalizing competence, it's having people fail on a grand scam and keeping them. it sends a signal there are no standards of matter, what matters is friendship and favoritism. this is an enormous, enormous problem. but the strategically bigger thing he said, and he goes on about three or four sentences on it. he says, you know, setting up an

i. t. program was easy because we didn't have the federal regulations. [laughter] and then he goes on length at the federal -- the administration vimed to agree with him. and i told someone one of his assistants a couple of weeks ago it's actually a great excuse to look at all the federal procurement regulations. if you continue get the f35 cost overrun they are as big as scandal of obamacare but they don't get the same level of coverage. we have a defense department that has to have a minimum of $200 billion a year. in every place you turn in the federal government, our estimation in medicare and medicaid we have between 70 and 1 -- $110 billion. it begins to be real money on a big scale and sickens the whole system. because you look around and say i could be an honest doctor or could be rich.

i think i'll rip off the government for a few months. it's really dangerous to the fabric of our society. but there's a secondary part. it's nobody was fast enough to ask which will be coming up over and over. i should mention in pationz i will be raising raising it on cross fire for anyone who would like to watch. it's on cnn 6:30 eastern time, five nights a week. [laughter] [applause] here is the question, i want to ask the supporters every time they come on board. if the federal government procurement system is a total mess, you couldn't get a website right. why would you think you can run the health system? because it's vastly more -- the website is easy. deciding what person gets kidney transplant, deciding who gets the right cancer treatment. these are not decisions you want made in washington that people who can't get a website up.

and i think it may turn out obamacare may be one of the great trainer of conservativism in american history. we might a generation -- [applause] i think i'm allowed to take questions unless somebody tells me i can't. i want do you understand how deeply i feel this. if all we cois being negative. if all we do is take advantage of every mistake they take. we will have totally failed to serve the country. the fact is, you need a positive model breakout to replace the prison guards. you need a vision of a dramatically better future to organize our energies and to get us moving forward again. and we have to have a conservative movement, which it dedicated to knitting together all the pioneer of the future. dedicating to developing an

exciting sense of an american future. and dedicated to actually building a program so when we know what we're doing. and i'm tired of personality oriented campaigns dominated by negative attack ads whose net as a result nothing positive happens for america. and i wrote "breakout: pioneers of the future, preison guards of the past, and the epic battle that will decide america's fate" as a starting point to have a conversation for the next few years to say to people, when you run to a politician ask them what they're for. they don't let government obamacare. what is the replacement. you don't like the current deficit spending fine. how do you get to a balanced budget. the current economy, what are you going get us to grow to 5 or 6%. coming out of the deep recession we are doing 5 or 6% a year. we pull people back to the middle class, solving a lot of our problem by the sheer dynamic of a recovery. we are getting none of that right now. so tell me what you're for.

and i've been through all too many campaigns in the last 15 years that have been negative, petty, personality-oriented and i don't think they serve the country well. i don't think they solve our problems that approach. i hope you will read "breakout: pioneers of the future, preison guards of the past, and the epic battle that will decide america's fate." if you agree it's an important concept and if we can get people to think about the pioneer of the future and prison guards of the past. we can begin a dialogue that is future-past and very powerful. and in term of bringing many people together who wouldn't normally think they're on the same side. i would appreciate if you decide that's true, if you would let all of your friends, neighbors, and facebook associates now you people that way. am i allowed to take questions? >> we are going a few questions, yes, sir. i have a microphone. if you will raise your hand, i will bring you the microphone and we'll start with the young lady right here. if you'll stand and state your name and ask a question. >> hello, my name is daniel. i'm with the chatman

republicans. our question kind of as a whole group: how do you get students to stop paying attention to liberal idea which is is feel good and sound goo good and start listening to real issues and doing what is best for the country instead of what makes them feel good about themselves. >> thank you. [applause] >> i think there are two parts to. one is margaret thatcher. first, you have to win the argument then you win the vote. you have to think about -- what i'm going say to a lot of liberals. it's so true across the board. they might have been great ideas. they don't work. so i would partly say, gee, you look at the poorest neighborhood in southern california. you think governments work? tell me about your job prospect compared to your parents' at your age. tell me about your student

loans. you know, the obama people say, boy, you now get to stay on your participant's insurance until you are 26. my answer is i would like you to have a job so you have your own insurance before you are 26. [applause] mr. speaker, my name is tom adams. who do you feel we have in government right now that could champion an action you're trying to promote? >> i think there are a lot of pretty smart people. first of all, i think there are some governors who are doing very interesting things. if you look at governor scott walker, for example, he's really -- plldz a -- [applause] a big impact. if you look at governor rick perry. texas creates routinely more jobs than about 25 other states combined. and has done so unendingingly and not been an accident. if you look at john who turned ohio around. you look at bobby gin dahl who

has the widest school choice program in the country. there are a lot of interesting governors out there. candidly, although some conservatives aren't level. but christie deserves a lot of credit. he took on a very blue state and really has changed a lot about trin ton in a way that is impressive. i think woe ought to start there. why work with specific people in congress, there are a lot of folks in the last couple of days, i've been talking, for example, with rob portman who knows a lot about the irs. ron johnson who is an manufacturer elected to the senate. mike burr guess who is a medical doctor who serves the u.s. house. he has a smartphone but his smartphone has an app that does cardiologist. so he put up and you are getting a electrode.

so there are enough to be hopeful about. >> mr. speaker, we are taking questions from youtube. we've been online all week. so we have some that people have e-mailed in. we'll start now with the first one. because you can't see the screen, i'm read it to you. how would you rate president obama's foreign policy compared to that of richard nixon. in is this from kevin jacobson in redlands. [laughter] um -- [laughter] i don't know. without getting myself in too

much trouble, you would be like how do you compare a bun any rabbit and a german shepard. [laughter] [applause] i really do worry for the country forment next three years. because if you watch the syrian fiasco, you watch what is happening in libya. there were 300 people killed in iraq last week. you look at what is happening in egypt, and around the world, you look at north korea, you know, the person who negotiated the north korean agreement so the north koreans would not get a nuclear weapon which they have exploded three since the agreement. is the person helping organize the iranian project. you talk about learning nothing. so i'm very concerned, i think, president obama has a "fantasy" view of the world reinforced by an inability to listen. and people around him who are at

least out of touch with reality as he is. i think it's dangerous. and i think we are have been lucky up until now. we shouldn't kid ourselves. the relative importance in the united states and the world today is dramatically smaller than it was the day he took office. and every day that he's in office it's going keep declining. because foreign leaders are taking mark of him and don't find much there. >> mr. speaker, in the back of the room a contractor from will -- laguna hills. >> i have a two-part question. one, are you running for president of the united states? [applause] >> i don't know. >> second part. [laughter] second part is: what would you do about job creation? >> -- well, look, this is not complicated. we have done this over and over in our history. the first thing do you is favor job creators. you know, that means and as big

a problem for anywhere in the country. less red tape, less regulation. i would like to see the small business committee holding hearings on how many things do small businesses have to fill out that are totally unnecessary and just apolish them. i think we need to go through a period of liberating people. making it exciting to be in business. exciting to go out and create jobs. the courage to defend business and free enterprise and as margaret thatcher once said. somebody doesn't earn it. you can't take it away from them and spend. so the problem with socialism you run out of other peoples' money to spend. we know how to create jobs. we have been very good at it historically. you don't do it by having another government agency invest billions of dollars in "fantasy" industries that go bankrupt. that's a misallocation of resources. and, by the way, it's a misallocation of talent. you are taking hundreds and

hundreds of smart people and encouraging them to go off the trail that collapse and wasting time doing so that has no future. that's why, frankly, the main thing government can do well. i'm big for government doing basic research. i think it has a huge impact of basic research. trying to pretended government can be a venture capitalist is a guarantee way to go broke. >> to the right, i'm going the screen for another question. this one is from julia of mesa, arizona. who were the prison guards of american society today? well, the primary -- it's a good question. the primary prison guards are interest groups, lobbyists, and bureaucracies. and to some extent, politicians. for example, the space program one of the major impediment is republican and democratic members of congress see it as a

-- rather than a venture. they will defend the company or the government agency in their district or their state even if it's not longer competent. because it's jobs. this has been a major problem for nasa. which is basically now just a milk cow for a politicians to waste money as opposed to being bold, i did nam, an vied venture use. i think you can go to city, county, and state, and federal government and say who is blocking the future and who is blocking competition. by the way, when obamacare explapses, i'm fairly certain it will. the great fight -- the left won't have a fight. the left wants single-payer. they think britain and canada work. even though the canada prime minister went to florida to get an operation they couldn't get in canada. and the great britain head died after the population of --

four times. but that doesn't matter if you're a genuine socialist. there are occasionally casualties in the wait of propex. it the real fight is on the way. it's between the prison guard faction of the republican and democratic party who say, oh, i hate government bureaucrats but insurance bureaucrats are terrific. [laughter] and those of us who believe you want to break out dpowm a genuinely personal health system . there's a little farm in silicon valley which i get wrong. and the the -- i found young woman who was a soft more at stanford dropped out, took her education trust

fund and started a company. they spent ten years designing a microtesting system take a tiny amount of your blood. you have been to the doctor and had them draw lots of blood. they take a tiny amount of your blood. they can rather than thousand different tests. they deal with 50 percent of the current cost. the estimated saves ned care and medicaid combined. it's 157 billion over ten years. think to yourself, you want to see prison guards emerge? every hospital has its own lab. every national laboratory corporation. and they want to drop the prices 50%? you think they want to have to invest in new technology? and so every time you turn around you'll find there are plenty of prison guards around. and the key is to develop a more and more exciting future.

and nobody voluntarily said to mcdonalds and walmart we would like to go out of business. they tboin the fight for customers. >> mr. speaker, a clothing designer from huntington, beach. >> thank you very much for being here. we appreciate it. i'm sure everybody can agree with that. my question for you is, as millions more americans continue to lose their health care coverage because of obamacare what red light ramifications being in the 2014 election and the 2016 elections as well? >> well, i suspect it's a great question. i suspect there will be a very bold attempt sometime next spring to fundamentally start defunding obamacare. about half the democrats will be involved. when people realize, by the way, the number who may get letters next october is 93 billion. [laughter] so you see the amount of paying out of 5 brake light.

well, the best estimate we have now from the government itself is 93 million if you're up for reelection in october. you think, i wonder how that will affect their vote in november. you might see bold fight. he would rather wreck his own party try fog defend obamacare or whether he will in fact, decide he has no choice except to become flexible. it is so clearly not going to work. >> one more from the right side here. my question to you, mr. speaker, is this. what do you think of mark's constitutional convention he's calling for by the states to

solve many of the problems which you spoke to early in the evening changing our constitution to deal with those inequities. explain to me who -- if you look at the last two elections. dominated by people who supported obama. i'm not sure that's a constitutional convention. i particularly want to be part of. i'm very cautious about putting it up for bid. second, all

that written articles of confederation, they are been thinking about it a lot. you have nobody today not a single person the understanding of practical self-government that people help. another online question, this one is we know that the heavily bureaucratic obamacare is asking for negative consequences if given the opportunity to formulate health care policy, how do you propose question approach american health care. the american health care debacle, from jeremy evans from boston, massachusetts. nirs of all, i'm impressed with your reach in term of the different places people write you from. i actually, on way out today, was writing a paper on this very

topic. which starts with an assumption that obamacare is going collapse. and the real fight will be between single-payer and the right standing between the old order and the effort to create a new order. let me tell you u, if you're interested you can go gingrich productions.com. we let you know when other things are published about this kind of stuff. i want to give you three core principles. i'll let you apply it. the first is, should be built from the individual back not from the larger system down. i'm give you two examples. and we're trying to write a health bill of rights right now for americans. you have the right to have your

own medical record. you should have the right to know price inequality. virmingly none of the insurance companies will tell you price equality. none of the labs, by the way, will tell you what they charge. they are all contracted. none of the medical device companies who are upset about the tax -- none of them want to tell you the price of their equipment is. if you went to a hospital for a hip replacement and had five circht -- different options you wouldn't have any idea what one looks better or costs more. you can't -- i tell people this, you can't have a market if there's no price and quality information. so you'll never deal with the pharmacist. in an ideal world you wouldn't have the current pattern where the insurance company creates a narrow networking and you find out the person who took care of you the last three years is no

longer in the networking. now you go somebody you have never met before. the whole process becomes very depersonalized. read that real time what it said. and said to the reporter, last year that was an $68 00 test. what if you designed the system to maximize the flow of information? and to maximize the ease and convenience. this is when you start getting

to prison guard problems. you want to start saying, for example, everybody could have their own ekg on their cell phone if they wanted to. this would drive your doctor crazy. [laughter] but it doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to do it. finally, you want to maximize the rate of it and not minimize it. you need a better independent life. and so regenerative medicine is a big deal. the other really big deal, which is hard to get through in washington, is brain research. you take autism, alzheimer's, parkinson, mental health you have a whole list. if we can make the kind of

breakthrough possible in the next ten to 15 years, we will save trillions of dollars. and save millions of people fromming a ag any. you can't get it across. so and maximize the rate of -- that's saves the most lives and most money. and also create the highest value of american jobs. if you had 80% of the world's breakthrough in health in the next 30 years in the united states you have more high value jobs than you can imagine. the --

>> one more question to go to the book signer. >> i was the speaker on the two-part question. under president washington's administration, -- [inaudible] and the second part of the housing market crash compared by the crash of '29 both lead to big government influence and the people looking to them for hope. it's an important and sophisticated question. let me start by saying, i believe the federal reserve should be audited annually. [applause]

and have no accountability. it's a very dangerous model. we are gambling on creating -- unbelievable proportion. i the model which they have been floating more and more paper. at one point bernanke said he would get in a helicopter and throw money out. i think it's a remarkably one-sided and, frankly, wrong image of what the great depression was automatic -- all about. i think they are running enormous dangers of creating a crisis of too much money. the only reason inflation hasn't

gone up is the economy is so weak. a brief side note. inflation essentially is two thing. the volume of money multiplied by the speed of money. it's quantity times velocity. so if you have lots and lots of money but nobody is spending it. the net of the two multiplying is pretty small. the morning you see the economy improve you see inflation go through the roof. we've never had this much paper sitting out there floating. it allows you to -- a family that sending you in a huge credit on unlimited credit card and told, hey, nothing is due for ten years. it's hard to turn to the kids and say no, we're not going disney land because we can't afford it. we vent dealt with any of our underlying structure problems. we are nowhere close to dealing with a balanced budget. and what hamilton did was

actually the first important manufacturers and the first report on the debt. he did two things. he created a tax code designed to maximize american manufacturing. and he insisted that we hon now our -- honor our debt and pay for it and do so in hard money. and this was a deliberate design to get the world to trust us. and we are very close -- i'll be intsh intrigued to see how it does. it was very much on the proinflation, pro soft money side. it's the next three or four years are like. i do not like the federal reserve being this powerful or secretive. i think it's a grave danger to the entire fabric of our society. we need to have a serious significant reform of the system. and there is a, once again, you brilliant. you do a terrific job here. i'm looking forward to meeting people and signing books. we always seem to have a great

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the referred to brightly as a little bit cheeky. this band is not a phrase that has had the same recognize ability across race lines. it used to be that you drop the

phrase miss anne into any room of black folks they would turn a giggle and snicker of little bit. he dropped the phrase miss anne into a room full of white folks and their little look at you really lightly like, were you talking about. we still live in different and divided communities. miss anne has been for a long time to a little bit of a nifty turning of the table web like many on the what in the by taking a whole category of people and putting them as a type and dismissing them. of course what had happened to black people for centuries. it is a derisive, dismissive term for white women. miss anne was then that the women i write about were up against.

they faced opposition to what they're trying to do really from every possible direction. these were women who were not going up to a black harlem just to go slumming. there were not going out to black harlem just a stores. they really wanted to put the black cultural explosion that was the harlem renaissance at the center of their lives and to center their lives and black harlem which was a very unlikely idea at the time. in trying to be taken seriously in harlem as participants and even as voluntary negros, one of the obstacles they face was his idea that white women were miss anne. so they face rifle skepticism from the black community, skepticism of the black community had to have given the long history of race relations in this country, and they faced violent opposition from the

white community which said to them to my do this and you cannot come back all. do this and we had done with you . as though miss anne was just part of the obstacles they face in making this really unlikely choice. >> in a nutshell tell us kind of use some of these women are briefly. you will get into more detail about some of them in particular, but what they? >> i will try to keep this brief i focused on six women in this book the are exemplary of the larger group of women who put on them at the center of the airline's. i found about five dozen of them . that focused on 62i felt were exemplary of the strategies that white women tried to use to become part of the hot on renaissance, being hosted some patrons, activists, writers, editors, lovers, wives, mothers, but also six women who left enough behind that i could try to let them tell their story in

their own words. what were you after? why did you do this? and did you think it is going to work out? what was the experience like? and the 6i chose orlean would, a yankee school want teacher in tennessee who wrote an important harlem novel and has always been assumed to be a black woman because part of her novel was an incredible indictment of white women for their complicity with the history of lunching. no one thought that put trail of white women as monsters could come from a white woman. another woman i've read about is josephine, a texas air is unmarried harlem's most important black satirist. charlotte caused it mason, the most notorious speaker of the harlem renaissance combustion to be a dragon and a nightmare, beloved by her black proteges. any nation mired, founder of

barnard. how many of you went? and please? nobody? this is the first time in this bookstore that that is ever happened. everybody remembered this. that happened. wrote a play called black schools, also an indictment of lynching, so controversial that the plant downplay house within seven years to stage it and then had to close at abcaten performances. nancy cunard, a british heiress who lost everything because she refused to renounce her love of blackness and devoted most important years of her life to trying to make what was wonderful that she saw and black culture available to whites. there's probably enough. >> an occasion to read briefly from the book. the first one i will ask you to read is a poem that you did not write. >> i did not. >> disclaimer necessary because i will lead but this palm made

me cringe a bit. but you choose to put this palm front and center. it's called a white rose prayer. read that the woman top of the but about its context and what you just put it where you did. >> and with everyone's okay i will go up to the podium for this one. how is the sound? so this is the frontispiece of the book. and there was a time in the late 1920's and early 1930's when the crisis, one of the two most important journals in hong kong on black culture and, indeed, the nation, started turning its the last page of which was a long running feature in the paper, started turning the poet pager over to being a foreign for wide use of race. this is a very interesting and important gesture on the part of the crisis. and this palm by edna margaret

johnson is called a white rolls per. let me read it first the men and i will just say a couple of things about why the whole boat leaves out with the. i am not going to read every line, just enough for you get the area. aetna margaret johnson was a one will. i buy and sell contend, no, gun. nine nordic flash is but occurs. oh god of life, remove the stickers. the chords of shame are strangling me. remorse is mine. i would a tone will white superiority, share colonel pride of my own race. tonight on bended knees and pray , free me from my despised flesh and make me yellow a step the booklet that will not because it is the best one written but because this warning

for blackman is a really important part of what is happening in white coats and at this moment. the harlem globe. it was certainly connected to the primitivist movement. the nba that what culture was depleted and airy and washed out and tried and could only be revitalized by breeding and alive sources of so-called primitive peoples, so some primitive this slip to africa, some to the southwest, some tutti, but there is something more important and work than just that primitivist longing for black. which is pegged at two of aetna margaret johnson who wants to get away. she also wants to take responsibility. she says she wants to atone. the women i've read about in this book had a very strongly a

longing for blackness. they saw it as preferable to avoid this at a time when that was almost unthinkable, but they also wanted to take responsibility for. and some for some of them that meant becoming volunteer in the rooms. >> a very generous reading. >> one is the idea of passive passing for blacks as opposed to active passing for blacks, and the other is the idea of pen name passing. some of the characters you write about to engage in that. >> let me just add to that as a

way of answering that. one of the things that is stressed in her book, a wonderful study of racial ideologies and this rare form of passing is that what is called reverse passing is actually quite rare in american culture and american history. there is lot of instances for largely economic reasons of black passing for white. white passing for black is a much more unusual phenomenon, and a number of the women i've read about in this book engaged in what we could call passive passing which is to say, they did something considered so unlikely or unthinkable that they were assumed -- well, that person must be black. they did not correct the record. so in the case of william wood and her novel with my people know, lean with has been lifted until now and every bavaria or via african-american women's

writing as a black writer because her portrayal of women is so searing. her depiction of white women as monsters guilty of racial violence is so unusual that no bibliographer even imagine she could be a wimbledon. she never corrected the record. she lived her life as a white teacher in a black college and stay there for decades until she was the only white teacher left standing in telling you the faculty of. and she was perfectly happy never to correct the record. she certainly knew about it, but she let it stand. that is the form of passive passing. there were other women in this book and engaged in much more active forms of passing, a marriage certificate, very nervous and wedding day. she said to her husband, what do i do, what do i say? even know intermarriage among racial intermarriage was not illegal and it was frowned on.

she wrote them colored. she also in her neighborhoods where she lived in harlem did not character neighbors without that, well, maybe she is a light skinned black woman. as a passive form of passing, but she also was a very active pass in. i discovered in the course of doing the work on this book is it not to strike under one are to pseudonyms but under about half a dozen. so here's white, josephine, bill scanlon writing relationship advice columns as a black woman. that is active passing. >> pen name passing. >> pen name passing his another version of passing also engaged in -- by josephine gun bill

scanlon. it is for some people away up experiencing a kind of freedom about which they are a little uneasy. when you are engaging in been named passing you don't necessarily have to answer face-to-face questions. so i think about it is my of demand for pen name passing is what repressing which used to say it is a way of trying nonentities, trying them on, taking them off, trying and a difference. >> in a very safe context. >> a very safe context. but adding moments when playing around with being a whole bunch of different people a question their release lines was not only tolerated but encouraged. >> two of them male equivalents along those lines were in the first to fund the founder of the first black newspaper in newman's and ms. lee never

sought to deny the rumor that i was black, interestingly enough. and there is an author, a french author wrote a novel call a spit on your grave. it is a great, dark novel about and of passing in launching. very, very gruesome and intense. he passes vernon sullivan, an african-american, and he is a white frenchmen, and no one knew for years and years to leave it was. resting stuff. another reading. >> will talk about josephine. the daughter of her biographers with us. if you want to chime in, please do so. in marriage as the star. she seems to be the character

who is speaking to most people. for me she was an important character because she speaks to all of the ways that when women try to be part of black harlem. a writer, editor, hostess, patron, a tiny bit of a philanthropist and all of it did not have much money, lover, mother. she was so unlikely. born in grand prairie, texas to a family of enormous wealth. and 17 she ran away, first marine a traveling salesman. he was a serial salesman the mystery of being in an inch at the time. and then burning light a sentence is to become a nude artist's model. after she did that for a bit to no great satisfaction she made her way to greenwich village where she rented a studio and and great fantasies of her life as a new woman and discovered in three months that she was bored to tears, did not see what the

fuss was all about, and so she, one day said, no, no one going to do believe she had already published three palms and the messenger. she was part of that move on the part of black paper stick it face and voice to white writers on race. she decided to go up to the messenger offices where she walked in, met george carlin, they fell head over heels in love, went dancing, and that was pretty much it. after much tumultuous back and forth she married george schuyler, and a daughter, and she is a very complicated character. it is fairly clear -- and dampen and as carefully as i can that josephine did a considerable amount of to of his riding. in fact, there is no of the of vacation for some of george's productivity will particularly when he was traveling in africa and and know what good is pieces back. she wrote under all of these others it means.

her life in black, was very isolated. she lost her family in the she felt that she was not welcome in most black social circles. at the same time it gave her the freedom to be six or seven different people of ones and to have on life that hurt texas background could never have provided. one last piece that is, for me, difficult, a little cringe worthy, but also striking. this was a woman who crossed, particularly from a texas background. her father was a charter member of the complex plan. she was raised by race this month raised in elises culture. she felt that she had married down to marry someone she should not have, but in her mind she also felt that this man should never be cheating on. she struck in her mind a double bargain. she was deeply in love with george, but very afraid to cross that raised one marry him. one of the way she get herself to do it was she said, well, and

these this means and will never be cheating on. she married one of the most famous les mcfarlane. he was cheating on her within months, if not weeks, and that continued throughout her life. should it come to a very sad and. a daughter was killed in vietnam. two years later josephine hunters often while george was reading in the living room, and many of the women in this book did come to saddens. >> apiece to refresh. >> i do. >> about josephine. >> i don't need of. one might is in. >> this election this boys out and saw many ways their marriage was based on an idea, not a reality. and ideas and fantasies about each and kind of concern the realities of the the war. that built their fall to relationship and some airlines.

>> just a couple of paragraphs as background, and in just a little touch firmer diary. today when we are surrounded by interracial images and it may be hard to grasp how breen georgian josephine were in it. analyze the cross did not begin to break down until recently. the first interracial kiss did not take place on television until the late 1960's. in the 1920's and 1930's those were not minds that most people were willing to cross in the open. but josephine and george found in their marriage on their shared willingness to brave censure, violence, and isolation for what they thought was right. as they often put it, they spent their lives trying to break down which bridges so that the challenges that they faced would fade in future generations, particularly for the generation of their daughter. to that task, then brought their

own myriad contradictions and on means. mountain lions the two principals of harlem's interracial celebrity marriage oscillated among all of the available positions on the race debate today. is race blindness a goal or another form of racism? can one attacked racial the sensualism and still celebrate raced up skin what, if anything, do we el our own lives in a can we switch races? sometimes the oscillation between all of these conflicting brought them closer again. often in trouble with between the. and in that they mirrored the texture of political and emotional ties in hong. this was a woman who braved

extraordinary center to do what she did, but she carried into a her experiment, and to her journey, and to her bold race crossing all of the ideas with which she had been raised. she did not drop or lose them the second she married george, in part of the texture of, as was true of the texture of some much of the interracial was this bold attempt at deep into racialism and integration which was written through with racist ideas, skepticism, mr. evans -- mistrust in doubt. so the night before winning josephine poured her doubts about marry george into her journal to try to dispel. here it is of little piece of what she wrote in a journal. i know up north here a negro

women will all hate me and feel and have taken unfair it acted in the and used my pale, but it turns and. now it all lakers to me, how i have felt him alone of all the men have known to be my mental and spiritual and sexual it will. now i said no. my and marine. i want him to browbeat me. if it's wars. i want him to destroy my superiority complex. i want him to laugh at my white affectations and nationalize my fears. to my mind the white race, the anglo-saxon especially is spiritually pleaded. america must meet with anyone save herself. our obnoxious self-esteem will utterly destroy and since we do. we need shaking down, humanizing i need scanlon.

without him i will quit growing and solidify. it planned to be saved as listed in. my last pure white knight, i shall take only, serenely as befitting the future wife of a realist, and uncompromising courage and go. >> very good at reading without cringing. let's get to the d.c. question because that one brings up some money. and the big question of kind and judgment and evaluation and we do with these characters. and they're is a line in your book. you write and convention lives by definition and the most difficult ones to live in to judge. so this was something that i struggle with in writing nearby which is full of these characters to crossover and various ways to pass as blacks his relationship to blackness

and authenticity varies quite a bit. and i absolutely confessed to having favorites and less favorite comic characters who i felt sort of i cross identified in a way that struck me as authentic and not based on some sort of primitivist character of what they thought it was verses those in, you know, maybe seemed less appealing and more inclined toward those kinds of primitive this identifications. and it was a struggle in writing about those characters and having those favorites and business favorite characters. at the end of my boat, try to evaluate, are there other standards by which we can judge one who is krauss identifying or crossing over or passing in this way. can we evaluate them cunaxa talk to me on the bed about the characters in your book along the lines. >> one of the things that was important to me when i finally decided that i was going to write this book, and it was a

book i wrote because i wanted to read it. this was a completely missing piece of the history and we had an of the 1920's and, indeed, the harlem renaissance. i had gone looking for this piece, could not find it and realized if i was going to read and have is going to have to write it. for me one of the condition that is set for myself and my thought was going to do this was that i was going to withhold judgment. i was going to withhold it at a couple of key moments. but as i went looking in harlem, has attracted to define who the women were who put parliament the true center of their lives in in to try to research in into in a sense, resurrect them, that i was not want to go into the archives sure of what i knew about the because is the women about who we have not either nothing were very minimal or on whom we have already passed judgment, and i think

particularly of nancy cunard the his been dismissed -- there has been a great deal with not her, but she has been dismissed as an adventurer and a protagonist and sexual predator. now want to go back into the archive with an open mind, not my usual way, by the way, but i want to go back to the ark of with an open mind and see what i could hear from these women about why they did what they did, what they thought they were doing what the experience was like, and then i awesome any commitment that if i was going to do this i wanted them as much as a biographer can't answer questions and spirit occasionally during the harlem renaissance white women were asked exactly that. mary white of income deflected by an interesting fact with commission reflected on being asked that frequently a black friends. once you decide to give your right -- to the black civil rights.

i wanted, but to try to let these women explain why they did this thing because what they did was at great cost. what they did was filled with cringe with the moments. but they did was very complicated, a range of motives, range of outcomes, but for all of them it wasn't because. in and could never go home again. many the women's book and some friends at and even tragic endings. as a direct consequence of the rich ones to violate waistlines. and i did not want to judgment. as i did the research, one of the things that was most shocking to me and that i had not expected was to find hell and judgmental in the name haarlem intellectuals were one of these kinds of experiments,

crossing racial lines in trying on different racial identities. from the inclusion of white boys is in the public page of the naacp general to welcoming women like libby holman into an interracial benefit. famous for what we would all call and insulting performance of a black prostitute in brown it to a genuine love on the part of her perris and even for sharon would cause it mason to a kind of heroic status for nancy cunard, her work in putting black cultural expression, the largest intelligent and i think today has still never been created. harmelin tells -- held back on it the judgment. holland said mullen and not quite sure what braces. me know if it is in essence, the

will to celebrate it. none of it is in essence of want to be free of it. we don't know if racism and thicken and really know the people we were born to an and. we don't know where we stand, so let's get it all on the table. it was a remarkable cultural openness to cringe worthiness. cringe when enos was invited in. and that convinced me that my job was to put everything into a book about these women and to hold back my own judgment because i think we might find that the more we all put on the table the better off we are. >> that is very get a b. again, dennis. i am going to push you on that a little bit and then we can open this up to the floor in the new site janis joplin. >> i do. >> being black for a while will

make me a better white, which might apply to some of the characters in this book. i mean, that is beyond cringe ready. it is the nba you can gamble a little bit. again, this is something that i found quite a bit. the envy that you can double, into this world, and you can get income and get out and altman the retain your likeness and the privilege in a benefit. that was one of the criteria that i used to distinguish between those who did that and know, the always presley. the nurses, you know, in one long standing commitment. surely there is a place even if history may not have judge then of for us to potentially of my judgment. >> i am not saying we can never judge answered me these women are here for their readers and for people to sort of make judgments about, and i do. and as a woman in this book to

my judge pretty harshly. san the hairs, as far as i'm concerned, went into harlem to take and take and take, did not give back, and paid essentially no price for everything and she got from and -- and appropriated from black culture. but the reason tunnel back the judgment question until the very, very, very bitter and is that i think we are still struggling with the question of when says empathy and understanding the lead in to appropriation and that and vice versa. as a literary scholar, the thing that most excites me is when i seen my students union and the one to identify across cultural historical genders, sexual, racial difference the characters really unlike themselves. this is a great moment for in a literature teacher.

yes. even more important theory, this moment of identification. at the same time, we cringe and appropriation. and we have been the engine so carefully and appropriation and we have not been encouraging a great deal of crossline in legions and identification. for me trying to judge these women, trying to think about what they did it cost put on of those questions back on the chin i notice that you tend to use a kind of authenticity as part of what you bring to bear. for me this was a moment or racial and gender ideologies was so all of the place and miss anne -- but me just put it bluntly, such a mess because it is immense. i mean that is the first in.

i could not use something like of intensity. i ended up using the cost. i think that is still relevant, that trying to step outside ourselves at cost, not convenient, not for fun, and certainly not for profit, which is what fannie hurst did, but trying to step aside our own identities, the entities in which we're comfortable and and we were born with and cost is still a good thing. i still think this is worth doing. >> and i hear you one that. nothing but trouble is that in a contemporary lens it becomes so difficult in light of our knowledge of the context of appropriation of black culture and.

think it becomes about trying to negotiate some sort of balance between what i would call owners ownership idea of an entity in which it is all i am is the new owners and you can take from me and i can't take new and the other is out of the spectrum of this happy had written the model. we take from here and at it from here. we're one big happy hybrid because we know it is more complicated. >> in a big one of the things that you are pointing to is how much we still are trying to answer the question. and enormous problem, one. she said, oh, i want to be a voluntary negro. camion. i am here. inch of is not just say i want to participate. she was saying, so identified and are the black. even sure of it because it basin actually said and meant to miami but not. a very complicated figure, but she did mean that. and nancy kaynine said, speaking

as if a warning from myself, and she actually meant it. and the problem they were posing to that community is one we still face because what is it that we can say back to miss anne and sister, no, you are not allowed to do this tonight we going to fall back on essen's, blood and biology in the sure of it we no longer believe that. we believe, the weak and that raises a social construction. we don't believe that raises blood of biology orisons. and ms. -- miss anne said, if greece is a social construction because this is the 1920's when an idea is being developed, she pushed the limits. she said, if race is a social construction, and i'm black. hyland said, of. [laughter] your mess. we weren't ready for that. and i think we are still struggling with that question today which is not to say she is in cringe ready, but it is to

say, what is our answer back meant what we say to someone who says that? >> i think that's a good place to bring the audience into the discussion. questions? i think there is a microphone coming around. >> yes. the blood being asked to use a microphone for c-span. >> my approach to new york university. my question is exactly to your last point. and thinking of. >> i am not the host from new york university. my question goes exactly to the point that, was just making and is actually a question about that you could answer from both of your books. this idea of a white person saying, and montenegro depends upon the american racial system

of a one crop will. and the words, anybody with any african ancestry whatsoever, you know, the 1920's is legally considered black, a level that way in a census, which was a process. it was not always that way. my question is, did ms. and, did these women every now is that their privileged came from this one drop will system when they and the choice to say it does not matter one of mike. i can be one of black. maybe this in with your folks. did they ever get that, and people of african descent could not necessarily pass for whites? >> yes and no. some of the women in this book to find it is important for me to reiterate that miss anne, while a mess, was never among reason women in this book he but different motives, different understandings of a different experiences command somewhat different outcomes. and some of the women in this

book absolutely understood that. and the reason they wanted to be volunteering the rooms which was an effort on their part based upon the fundamental misunderstanding of varies was to dispel one drop myth. was as a radical way of saying that any reliance on blood or biology to determine race is ridiculous. race is a social construction and worked politically. some of them were very canny in using it that way. what they didn't understand is that at the time the phrase volunteering me know which and a lot of currency in the day, it's often referred to the one trouble. so those who were volunteering the brooms were blacks who looked so wide it could have passed for white but chose not to. and the most famous and celebrated voluntary nina was walter white was so what he was almost translucent. you cannot get any wider.

>> want here, bluelines. >> blonde hair, blue lines. he refused to be identified as light comedian system and is black in the, which he could claim because he and a drop. even hamas, the place about the status of this one drop will. some of these women were simply exercising privilege. saying that i can be anything i want to be and it is related to clients commanded is needed to the kind of mobility, but they were all so as women trying to avoid one script which was the most victorian constricted life that they were supposed to have, matron's plane within giving a tiny bit of charity work. and so for them saying, no, i'm over here. and this other thing, it was a way of winning freedom in another sphere. so even a moment of privilege is complicated, i guess.

and sure you have an answer to this. >> very similar. it is the same mixed bag in my book income than the characters, but i will say it is a big source evaluation for me in how the tin man to that kind of my privilege. you have a character like johnny otis, rhythm-and-blues pioneer in a greek-born and passed as african-american in various contexts, wrote a book in which uses the we very liberally to refer to himself as an activist and so on and so for him is very attuned to these kind of issues. the alternate privilege of being and what the sec may, i can choose to pass from black because it benefits me in certain contexts will but not necessarily in others. and, you know, that becomes a sticking point for me in terms of being and to recognize and the irony of mechanizing our own witness and context applies to -- passing for blackmun's.

>> my name is elsa hundred. i finished your book yesterday. [laughter] >> well done. >> if you don't mind applied, i found it fascinating and very well written. and i and certainly going to recommend it. i especially appreciate your treatment of nancy. i just changed my whole opinion of her. you did not ginger, and it was a very beautiful treatment. my question is, what is the response -- what has been the response of black scholars about the view or? >> let me repeat the question. i will repeat the praise but i think you for a very much. well written, especially appreciated.

the question was what has been the response of black scholars, not just to this project, but all went back and one of the things that i want to say about that, and i'm not going to attempt in any way to answer for someone else one of the things i want to say is that this book, which is a missing piece of the history of the harmon and his sons could not abandon to mention in and it was because it was important to me in that income to other scholars who supported this book that the web when it did not come from and they do not come first. we have been looking for decades now to resurrect a loss and neglected and divided history of black cultural expression from this time. in one of the things it made me comfortable enough to do this is that i have been part of an archaeological and for. my own work was very much in what i call a sort of scholarly

archaeology, an attempt to bring back the missing pieces of literary and cultural history of women and african americans particularly. so i think that at this book been written before we had done a lot of that argument cooler, which is not over, but it is ongoing, there would be a different feeling about this book. about think anyone wants on and renaissance history that is missing a big hole. and so was missing. i also with a bit -- in your question and points to a salient fact that my own experience as the whites, and blacks the news informs this project. please do not go away with the misimpression that this is a book in any way about me. it is not immune a promise you, you would not have to suffer through any stories about. but, having been once, and blacks that is, 25 years i think

have something of an understanding of what the joins and the challenges are of being part of a community to which you will always remain in some ways an outsider. and that inside is brought to bear on these women, and maybe it is one you keep using the word jenners. and not know. and others that kept coming of. that is part of the experience that informs the 110 study. >> and i want to stick with it and i had the same reaction. generally people that it as there is this whole, of the studies about traditional passing, but not much about where frustration passing. also, there was appreciation of the fact that i distinguished between those kinds of passing. no worker same way. this privilege involved in one necessarily enough the other that we cannot complete the tune. also, but cannot and a time when there was a lot -- and i wrote the book and it's time of a lot of talk run this issue of what the studies and subjecting

witness to scrutiny which i think is always and never a good thing in a classroom and in any academic context. that way it is not this in visibility factor. it is not this blank page and it does not mean analysis and is not been construed in history and in culture in the same when the partners have. so it fits into that need fairly well. >> my name is care of gregory. i teach at community college. my name is carol gregory. i teach english at the manhattan to many college. i heard you speak first for the hearst in conference at barnyard. that's why i'm interested in your work. my mother was born in mississippi. she did use the term miss anne, but i think you need to broaden and because the way that i here

using it me you are saying that the black women are sarcastic and for no reason. >> oh, no. for good reason. >> this is what i'm hearing. and just want to bring it to your attention so when you say it and making sure that you spell-out because most of the black women its domestic work cannot raise the white children, to carry the white families, especially in the south canyon on my? so to give a ," this is not from my mother, my mother used miss anne. this is of the women and i use the term. its income is too hard to work for a one-woman. you have to sleep with her husband, raise your children, keep her house clean, cook, and she's never sense of what you do so that is have they used miss anne command a think he should put that out there, to try to give a context. that is when i first read it as a local. >> i am so glad you did it chance to clarify that in case anyone else wizard.

i did not say for no reason. i said for good reason. this was -- it with the black community to try to and not just -- it not just a derisive traffic but they dismiss it turned. so many black women in particular, as you say, had to work for white women than they could not dismiss that finding a way behind their employers back to put them in a category where they could be dismissed is very important. >> than not dismissing them, they are describing them as being tyrants. all right. so that is really important. secondly, my father is it the looked white and green eyes. so he did not pass, but people thought he was one reason that was a part of his life experience. some in my mother's sake of

five. and listening and watching my father. people think he is white with me, brown child. so i take that the -- i am happy that you did the book. i read some of it, not all of it, because i really have the anthology. >> you on the original? >> yes, and got one big reason i came to new york michele's book store was open and he was still alive when you talk to him. >> a you know your copy is workman, right? negotiations will take his after if you don't up american indian aside for a moment. >> long story short, i do think this is important. i always admired move in smith. her writing and what she did, i always admired her. people like nancy have question marks because i spoke to dorothy west who was first instrument. >> that's right.

>> and west said whatever was to my political party, whenever, whenever a white woman walked in the room it was trouble. if you were in the southern states it could mean a lynching. if they spent the night over a someone some, the house got burned out. do you have the trouble in the? >> one of the reasons -- i'm so glad you said that last look particularly, some of the white women who were most important and influential and who aren't believed deeply in for good reason that the only way they could contribute effectively to the harmelin renaissance was not to drop attention to themselves. it went to great lengths sometimes to destroy their own papers or in other cases to

write what they wrote so careful that you can hardly get to the woman underneath this really, really constructed pomes because they understood that. so there were women who understood that when women had someone in trouble, a capitol t, boldface type, 28-inch on. they had to tread extremely careful in if they were going to do anything a thicket field and about. it is a wonderful point. >> and think we have time for one more. >> you yourself used the word complicated, that this is a very complicated issue. and yet i never once heard during the discussion whether or not you explored the psychological reason why these women or these human beings

would feel so strongly about wanting to, i don't know of who want to use the word passed, but if they wanted to experience blackness or be black. and to me quite frankly that is more interesting. >> one of the difficult things, and none of them are a lot about roofers in the room, trying to thread the needle and to find a way between trying to imagine what some of these motives might be in get inside their heads. i did consider that to be part of my job without acting like an amateur psychologist and pronouncing or diagnosing and. and i guess i will just leave it to readers to determine how effectively or ineffectively i managed or did not manage to thread the needle. one of the reasons and picked

the six that i picked was, i picked women who left enough of a record, either in diaries and letters or in unpublished writing that i heard them talking about the motives, the reasons, talking about how this with their life, why they did it, what it meant to them. and women for whom i could not find that discussion of all -- and one of them was mary white aldington, and it about making major characters in the book because i thought that question of why anybody steps outside themselves to try and step into a world in which they are not entirely welcome is an important question. >> and i think in my book there were some common threads. one of them was music. the reasons for doing so, connected to their art and the authenticity question of performing black music as a white musician or as a white artist.

i think it plays a tremendous role in terms of someone wanting the authenticity that they envision has come in with a different race. i think we're out of time unfortunately, but we will be here. corona will be signing books. you can chat tustin. thank you, and thank you, carla, for the wonderful book. >> thank you for coming. >> thank you for being with this. we have copies of this great book. thank you all and good evening. [inaudible conversations]

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and then it would come together and come up with a tax reform plan. constant battles on the budget. there were a lot of different ways forward. the conservatives, we believe even into the 90's, we always talked about a legislative laboratory of ideas. we talked about the marketplace of ideas. we always talked about the free marketplace of ideas, close the doors, go downstairs, debate nonstop among ourselves until we came up with the best plan. the ministers not the case anymore. in washington d.c. if you veer off of the path a little bit to the right or a little bit to left there will be an ideological which aren't. people suggest your insufficiently conservative and republican. that is the d.c. party, the 9% party, the record low party. you go outside of this city that

i loved and that i love living in and that i love working in combat political you go outside of the city, and the republican party is a very vibrant party. weekend -- we control 60 percent of the governors' seats. we can control a majority of the state house. we can control the majority of the state's senate seats and the state house seats. i mean, you look like chris christie in new jersey, stalker and wisconsin. these are people that are not just arriving in the deep south. you can look. i talked about this. we have been trapped, the party of the deep south in the basically all the places where i live, that is or republicans do well, florida, mississippi, alabama, georgia. the cast there. but if you live in new england, chances are pretty good you are being represented by democrat.

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