map themselves. and the map started coming out. but by 1984, the effort produced 1600. at a conference in bangkok they said let's abandon it. the only completed one are in that map collection. so it is a great library. >> well if no body else i will thank you all for your time. thank you very much. it has been great. [ applause ] >> visit the author's website simon winchester.com.

>> tell us about your book "who should not be moved" >> i realized this was an iconic representation of the movement. and i met the women at the center of the photograph through here children when i was a playground director. i knew when i saw the photographer from all of the items at the king center it was a story that needed to be told. i decided to go home and start interviewing my friend joan hall and find out more.

>> did she talk to you about the experience? >> the children pulled out the photograph saying my mom was in a famous photograph but i didn't realize the significance of the photo. >> what did you learn about the civil rights movement? >> she is a southern white woman who risked it all. her family disowned her. her story taught me about persevering through difficult situations. i was interested in the broader story and i was able to weave

that into the broader story. cephal >> what what inspired you to get involved into the civil rights movement >> going to sunday school and singing about jesus loving the little children and all of the colors and memorizing the bible versus of doing what you want others to treat you. and we had to memorize the whole declaration of independence. i thought i could seize the moment when i had the chance to make the south the best. >> how would were you when you participated in the sit-in?

>> 18. college freshman. >> did you just walk in and sit down or did you have to be trained? >> they had a group from durham were coming to next meeting and explaining what it was about. they did and invited us join them and a few of us did. >> how many did you participate in? >> arrested twice in durham. joined the howard group across the river in arlington. i was not sitting in there, but being white i could buy tickets for the ride.

and we had a movement for travel in rock hill, south carolina and came to freedom rides. and then the jackson sit-in. >> and where were you from originally? >> i was born in washington, d.c. but after the riot of hunter in georgia -- my family is from georgia. so that touched me and i felt that if the integration atmosphere the colleges couldn't be two by two and black students undergoing this and if integration were real it had to be a two-way street and i would apply at black college. so a school in mississippi accepted me and there i was. >> and did you incorporate the

stories of other freedom riders in the book? >> yes. there were nine demonstrators in jackson that day and i was able to interview all of the them. there was an additional freedom rider who did die unfortunately before i got involved but i was able to talk to his family and comrads in louisiana. this incorporates a lot of stories. not just the demonstrators but the media covering the story, the policemen that were there, and people who were pictured in the crowd. i was able to identify and talk to them as well. it is story of what what happened that day and thim pact of that day. >> what the crowd members like

today? >> it was an unusual situation. the fact i was white helped me draw out their stories. some of them are still believing the races shouldn't mix. the most powerful story the story of the person that took the photograph. he was a white southern photographer and during the sit-in he had a changing of hard. he was seeing the dignity of the

s supporters of integration. we started with the story of mississippi was like at the time and what it was like to come back from the war where he fought for freedom and came back not able to experience it. his assassination is in the book and tells the story of what happened to the movement after his removal of the scene. >> thank you for your time. >> obamacare is about health insurance, but it is about more than that. it is about the final nail not coffin of the constitutional system. obamacare is an attack on the comerous clause. the purpose of the commerce clause was to promote commerce

in the states. not to kill commerce. it promoted private property right and trade. new jersey and pennsylvania were fighting each other and they had to fix that. so it was pro-trade and commerce. the notion that the commerce clause can be used by congress to com pel individuals and then force them to enter into a private contract with a private company. the private company is forced to offer a policy it doesn't want to and the individual is forced to pay for it. that is going to be the end

because then the government can force us to do all kind of things. >> sunday best selling author, lawyer and regan official mark levin takes calls and questions in-depth. live for three hours. booktv's in-depth the first sunday of every mopth month. and online we will discuss the book so read the book and join the discussion. up next, women are the main bread winners but the u.s. workplace and hostile to woman. >>