individual liberty and rights in the declaration and insist on the federal government's compliance with the constitution's limits. >> guest: thank god for the tea party. the tea party is the modern day conservative constitutional movement. or -- and without it, the debt would be bigger, the unfunded liabilities would be bigger, and the federal government would be even more consolidated. so i think it is a crucially-important movement, and i think it needs to grow. and i think if the republican party wants to go to war, apparently it does with the tea party movement, then the republican party's going to lose. because the tea party movement is, as i say there in ameritopia, is really nothing more than millions of citizens, tax-paying, hard working citizens who have had enough. who see the over 90, over $100 trillion now in unfunded liabilities, see the massive federal debt just more and more and more, see the fecklessness of the republican party and the

radicalism of the democrat party, and they say enough is enough. and so, of course, both parties turn on the tea party and attack it, as do the media. which is to be expected. this is a washington-centric mentality versus the people. that's exactly why i wrote "the liberty amendments." and the whole state of the convention process is to bypass the federal bure rack si, is to bypass the federal courts exactly as the framers intended at the constitutional convention. every single one of them who attended voted for article very so that we -- v so that we, the people, can at least make an effort to take our republic back. that's not to say every state legislature's great. not too far or from here you have maryland. that's a disaster. you've got california, illinois -- i get it. there's a lot of disastrous, dark blue state legislatures out there. but a lot of the state legislatures are good or more positive. and, you know, if we can get a

movement going, and i think it's starting but time will tell, and i feel that the worse things get in this country, the more likely this movement will pick up steam whether it's in two years or 25 years. i have no way of knowing. the fact of the matter is, the only serious recourse to what's going on today, it just is, and as i say in the last chapter of the "the liberty amendments, "even the most intelligent, politically-muscular conservative who's elected president, and god knows i want one, cannot reverse what's going on in this country today. can slow it down, as reagan did, can try and pull some of it back as reagan did, but reagan leaves office, george h.w. bush comes in, he essentially denounces the reagan agenda, and off we go again with the fdr model. so if people are serious about this, they should turn to the framers of the constitution and look at article v where george

mason said should congress become repressive, he's your recourse. >> host: so if you're living in kentucky, would you support mitch mcconnell in the primary and/or the general? >> guest: i couldn't support mitch mcconnell, not that he's not necessarily a nice person or so forth, but he's an ineffective republican leader. he's an ineffective senator, in my personal view. that whole immigration bill that went through the senate he sat back, he didn't take a lead in trying to fight it, then he shows up and votes against it. this whole notion of the president having the power, in's is sense, to veto congress should congress decide not to raise the debt ceiling, mitch mcconnell came up with that idea and said it should be temporary, of course. nothing's temporary. not only that, congress doesn't have the constitutional power, the power of the purse, to

anybody, a president, an entity, anything of the sort. and so, you know, i remember when he fought mccain-feingold and was standing up for the first amendment, and i was very proud of him. i really was. but that's the first and last thing that i can remember. so, no, i wouldn't personally vote for him. >> host: len is calling from cedar hurst, you're on booktv with mark levin. conclude hi. >> caller: hi. i think that mark would probably call me a kook along with that first caller. i think the persons that she was referring to were the koch brothers, amongst most. you know? the koch brothers are the ones that fund the heritage foundation which pays for half of this guy's commercials, and they're the ones that fund other organizations that buy his books that create them as bestsellers,

and then they give them away because nobody would really want to spend the money on them. [laughter] and the koch brothers are the people who pay for the buses that take the tea party people to their rallies because they really -- and they also now are paying the people who organize, who hand out the leaflets, people who don't necessarily even know that they're being paid for by the koch brothers in order to get people to rallies. which, of course, for white, older people is a very easy thing to rally against. >> host: so, len, all that said, what's wrong with that? is that, is that wrong that they, you know, if that's the case? >> caller: let's talk about tyranny. i mean, basically -- simply. basically, what mr. levin is arguing about is that the tyranny comes from people organizing to decide that while in the preamble it says that we should be promoting the