lawmaking process cannot to just have another ability to vote. >> for this month's book tv book club joined other readers. restoring the american republic. simply a to booktv.org and click on book club to enter the chat room. once there you can log in as a guest to post your thoughts. >> up next on book tv, after words with guest host stacey, and to make the director of the american society for muslim at advancements. her latest book in it, the co-author of the face club discusses her attempts to assimilate into u.s. culture will confronting americans to fear her family because of their faith and fellow muslims to she

says distort as long. .. and landed in chicago, ended up majoring in math and engineering regulated from university of illinois, champaign. my mother is from crumbly and she was very young in 1948 and

her father was a civil engineer and ended up being employed in kuwait. and so, my background, if you will, has my father going back to the oil-rich gulf states seeking a job as a young amount, filling him up with my mother in meeting her in kuwait, starting their family. i also grew up in dubai. >> host: they didn't have been an arranged marriage? >> guest: not at all. in fact come as a civil engineer, he was working next to her home and he would watch her go in in and out of the house and he fell in love with her. they were officially introduced by mutual friends. >> host: you came to america, obviously went to school here. what was that like? your whole journey of peanut

palestinian, muslim living in america, what was that like? >> guest: i permanently moved at the age of 16. prior to that, my father bought a small home in virginia so i grew up watching reruns of i love lucy and i dream of jeannie. so i was quite familiar with the american experience and the cultural aspect of it. when i finally ended up at georgetown university, i fell in love with the american dream. i fell in love with our founding fathers because of someone who is a palestinian i never did enjoy the security of absolute citizenship. we were very much at the one of working permits in the says. so i very much took to heart the value of the american dream and

the protection it affords its most recent immigrants. it's been a love story sense. >> host: you must've fallen in love with your husband because you married. >> guest: that's true. we fell in love with her first met at washington harvard. >> host: you aren't arranged to be very? >> guest: now, no one in my family had been arranged. it's not a tradition. in fact, none of the women i can identify a buffer when a headscarf. my grandmother slam in siberia way back when, so we come from a long line of progressive women. post goes on tragedy this examination of your life to see how dicicco from being an immigrant, coming to this country, going to school, falling in love, having two beautiful children, living in manhattan, a wonderful life and all of a sudden you're writing books. what was the inspiration? would have been?

>> guest: i was a candidate. my interest sort of fell in that field. i feel like before 9/11 i would cost occidental muslims because many of us are perhaps of a certain religion through an accident of birth. i think what 9/11 did and i am not alone that way, to get it to many american muslims. it forces you to grapple with the notion of what it means to be america. islam after 9/11 was on trial and every talking pundit on tv was an expert suddenly and you were told you could be a woman can be a muslim and you needed to be liberated from the violence of islam was inherent to the theology of islam. so there is a lot coming at me. as a mother of a toddler at the

time commit to children. my daughter is starting kindergarten. i very much was worried about the future of my children and i felt to be muslim is just a label or something we are as a family because that sort of ancestral loyalty, then why put them through that challenge? hence the beginning of this journey. so the terrorists grow up, two beautiful buildings in our city, our state, our country. what is the impact of a person like you who's living a comfortable life in manhattan? what impact does that have on you and what you think about those people? >> guest: the audience is listening, which you tell us what you think of these terrorists and how you think they have affect your life? >> guest: first and foremost,

they affected the life of the people whose life they took away savagely that day. from my desk, my own personal if coming out it, the pain of those lost in the terror that day, the morning we were all joined together is compounded by another challenge, which is by virtue of calling ourselves muslims, we are guilty by association. so that was hurt wrenchingly difficult. as a midair come even more so as you grapple with trying to make it all for two very children. >> guest: my daughter was just beginning kindergarten. i remember sadly that her first day at school was actually the morning of 9/11.

the first official day of kindergarten. i read about this in the book, where i packed her in her but pack is a sort of spiritual kind of protect my daughter saying. there's this big overstays back pack with teeny tiny karate. as i watched the images of the horror of that day, of the buildings going up in flames in thinking this theme that was lovingly packed in my daughter's backpack was used to wreak the havoc and the juxtaposition of those two realities was mindnumbing and confusing at a very existential level, at a parenting level. and so, the journey for me has been a journey of learning and

owning my learning, understanding the issue in empowering my children. we can teach our children is american muslim parents to disassociate the engagements. also true to the experience when we have stereotypes out there and you're trying to develop your identity in opposition to stereotypes, you can say i'm not quite muslim. there's a lot of people are shying away from celebrating or doing ramadan in the office. people are closing up. >> guest: that's a natural reaction. it's a difficult journey, but it's one that i hope and i do not know that i've made the right choice, but it i have. i do feel like i taken my children along on this journey

in insisting ultimately the choices they are. what i do is learn together. slowly they have chosen to self identify as muslims, too. i think by doing that, i hope they can hold both america accountable to its higher ideals as they can hold islam accountable to its higher ideals as they become living embodiments of what it means to be truly american and muslim and it can be agents of change for a better world. >> host: i find it extremely profound you chose to do this with your life because many people, you know, there are two types of people who actually take it upon themselves to create a change. you have not only written a book called fake club, which is popular with the united states.

there's always some little lady who comes out. i think you had mentioned in the fate. that is one book he wrote about three women coming together to explore their faith in i've written this new book, which is sort of like most old self examining. i love the title of the book. "burqas, baseball, and apple pie." i thought what is she trying to say? the americans listening right now. >> guest: some people took issue with the title because they thought somehow the burqa what kind of compounds the stereotype that is fun is about burqas. i think it's catchy. i like the way it sounds. the truth of the matter is the end about how to speak about all the elements. the next four or for what people may with islam, positively or

negatively, it is something -- it's an issue i deal with them. you are right in saying my journey started way back with the face club in the face club became such a gift for me, a blessing to the mountains of boise, idaho to jacksonville, florida. i fell in love with america all over again. america became virtually a safe club to me. people are so eager to learn. people do not have the opportunity to meet and islam in person. they have the headline to go by or they don't have a neighbor. it is just such a gift. book two, which is "burqas, baseball, and apple pie," is definitely a journey in which i've taken the mirror and held

it up as a muslim from a fan. i've i've taken on issues they think will be challenging for my children as they mature as self identify american muslims. i didn't want the issues to just be ones that are islam and the christian tradition. this is part 2, which is a continuation of the journey i started. >> host: as i was reading it, i saw it two ways. i sighed as trying to take back his loan, but also the soul of the united states because there are some profound things that have happened in this book do you talk about your experiences with your children should propel you to take action. we will talk about that a little bit later on will go into details. they're something you mention in the book. explain that to me. i'm curious what you mean by

that. >> guest: that's a difficult one. i at the time when i made that statement, i can feel it today. of course i had to sell it and suzanne who are not yours of their respect it tumbles and churches. in times of pain and distress, they had the community place to worshipcommonplace to have their children be introduced to the fundamentals of their religion for a place to celebrate holidays comes together as a community to affirm their identity as part of a community of the spiritual people. there are mosques in new york city. it is just to understand the nv, you have to understand that we are definitely secular muslims.

we are progressive muslims. so i needed a place of worship where we didn't sort of stick out. we are first and foremost americans. >> host: you want an institution that values the essentials of your faith, but also have a cultural expression. >> guest: that's my experience. we aren't the most recent of immigrants. and now, yes, a place where the equivalent of a gcc or ymca. >> host: let's go to that specific thing he mentioned in the book, which i found to be really moving. you talk about the experience of the community center downtown, which you know i was involved with. so full disclosure to the audience.

and now, you are asked to come to the community board meeting. and then, described the feeling you're left with that dad of what you saw in the room. here you are an integrated americans standing up there, knowing that your children needed a home and you were coming to speak about it. why did you leave with that day? described the scene you described a nice boat with a man from afar. i would love you to tell the audience right now, what was that feeling like? >> guest: it was rattling. it was tangible vilification i think to be on the receiving end of that type of emotion doesn't experience. what was going through my head was my goodness, whose we are

not the experience of intense negative stereotyping. other minorities have had that. i couldn't help but take it personally. it's a scary feeling. and yes, we don't wear outward symbols of our faith, so there's no reason why i would identify down the street that way. but as i experience it mean that was rather raw and intense, which i hadn't before. >> host: yeah, well, you then say your children the prematurely thrown into the inferno of islam a phobia because right now witnessing the rise of islam a phobia with people heckling and saying the site go home or go back to mac.

we're not even from mica. what it must've been like for your children. >> guest: if we could only just stopped all of this and consider that there could be a 10-year-old at home been exposed that i'm a 10-year-old who's never had a home outside new york city or america, who doesn't carry a passport or any other country that doesn't have a home to go to other than here. when you have the signs say muslims go back for all muslims are terrorists or is he described the heckling, i think that answers itself. as a mother, one can only be very concerned. my first reaction is to protect my children and the second is to empower them. at the same time, i was very wearies make them feel expect dems because they are not. we're blessed. happy to be here.

that is the promise of america that we are protected by the ideals, by our constitution and it's our journey to take and it has been very well-paid for us by other traditions before us. >> host: yeah. so you're getting up when they having a cup of coffee in your hand and you have this google alerts and there you see your son who has now intervened. tell us that story. >> guest: it was at the time the height of the controversy, the downtown mosque controversy. i woke up in the first thing i did was check my e-mails and there is the results of a google search for why i hate muslims. so you can imagine the hateful sites that were out there. and then i turned to reprimand my sons and i am upset with what i think may be sort of an introduction to language that he

shouldn't be exposed to being as young as he was at the time. as if to sort of play my fears i said mommy, mommy, i wrote some aim. he did. but he wrote something rather impressive for a young man his age, a young boy his age actually. i don't remember the exact words, but they were to the effect to we shouldn't blame muslims just as we don't blame jewish for the death of jesus, just as we don't blame at layer -- the holocaust. that's very profound for those people who do not know what this looks like. that is your son who goes to a very nice school. and some i sent packing perhaps may be wrote this book for your children. >> guest: bear lake most teenagers. mighty young friend today.

yes, i feel that this is something i leave behind for them. >> host: there is a story about your daughter, who also come in not your son, but she was a very young girl. you talk about your daughter's project called its okay. it's okay assignment, write? tell us about that assignment. talisman she was in the first grade. i'm almost an awareness as a mother and even if i chose to ignore islam, it wouldn't choose to ignore asked. that's because she goes to at the time one of 40 girls were identified as muslims. so she wrote it is okay to access. it's okay to be afraid of the dark. it's okay to bite your nails. she's only seven or eight at the

time. she said it's okay to be a muslim and run around you is jewish patient. >> host: were you surprised she showed that? you with ink your children will internalize them what's going on. >> guest: of course. i think that is the biggest challenge is for american muslims to find their place, to find their voice, to assimilate and a healthy, cohesive, empowering, energized way. to the community, the wider community. that's a little more challenging these days. >> host: perhaps the people who are behind the islamic phobic frederick did not realize the impact on children. although their opposing something they don't realize how much little children internalize. they may not be outward bowling, but really they internalize.

sometimes searchers than the pen as you know. >> guest: those fears are real. i understand why many americans would be afraid or would fear the idea that islam hot ice, of course you would he afraid. this is what is incumbent upon us as american muslims to communicate that those are not the values of islam clearly. they are not what islam never meant to be. i think that the fear is an equal opportunity actor. it is real to those that are vilified. i think it's much more americans

to learn and seek truth. it's our duty as american muslims to be there to provide that truth. it's important to move the ignorance because it is the greatest danger to us all. now that you've written this book, what advice do you give other parents who, you know, i'm sure they will get lots of ideas from your book. i would like you to advise parents of hindu children and seek shelter in for minorities in their own faith. they don't have the majority religion. they are not part of a monotheistic. oftentimes hinder people say were not part of the tradition.

they are now arrived in america here and what should they do with their children? >> i think i will just speak from my experience. i think that it is very important to not feel, it can, i said this because we are truly blessed. many of us arise in this great country because we escaped discrimination or war or conflict or we seek refuge. >> host: or we wanted to be part of the american -- >> guest: the american dream, the land of opportunity. many people, its most recent future at stake at to heart. it is a promise that means a lot and is very dear to our families. those words are not rapid.

they are values we live by everyday. freedom of expression and freedom to work showed. we rely on them as american muslims for that dignity, for the opportunity to assimilate for equality and respect under the law. that is first and foremost what i teach my children as this country has been built and continues to thrive on this ideals. equally so, whether it's from a muslim background or sikh background, the synergy is there. no religion is built on hate. it cannot survive. it is beyond the nuances of the different traditions. whether we approach god through the rituals of a secret christianity or judaism or islam, it's not the point. rituals are not values in themselves. piety is not morality. morality is bigger in larger

than our various traditions and diversity within the traditions that we are all equally on that path to god, the path to absolute truth that were all equal, that diversity must exist in islam. diversity is a sign of divine mercy and that killing zionists, injustice is absolutely unacceptable, whatever tradition you come from. >> host: celebrates the american aphis of pluralism is not just possible and engage with the pluralism. commit to that pluralism. as you know, pluralism is part of the divine plan. here we have in america, open up our shores and allowed immigrants to come and fuller

ash. so, allow everyone to be who they are in their uniqueness, but also to be united to stand. >> host: it's america's blessing on legacy and gift to mankind i think that it has figured out a system where these guarantees, and these are guaranteed berths most diverse immigrants and its oldest immigrants i think our challenge as muslims in other parts of the world, do not have and i often feel that we need to rescue god from the hands of the humanities of the abuse of political power. god is in service as man as opposed to demand service in god and many most the majority countries. fortunately, in america was lost because we don't have to worry about that and got his rescue from the vanity of man and we

can thrive in the beauty of our diversity on this journey every day striving towards the beauty of god. >> host: let's go a little deeper into this diversity issue. islam is very diverse in the sense we have so many nationalities. manhattan is unique because manhattan is home to the entire diversity. every ethnicity, every nationality, every school of thought that i know of i call this the annual mac. year-round. we have muslims from every conceivable part of the world and all the shapes and colors. so, what do you feel when people tell you because in the book you mentioned you're not muslim

enough or you don't fit the prototype of a muslim and i actually started that because you look like such an american. so, does it irritate you when muslims tell you you are not muslim enough for you don't fit the image of what people have? the very thing we fight against return to impose on her and communities. talk a little bit about that. >> guest: i'd like to start out by pointing out that the tension and orthodoxy is not particular to islam. that tension exists within all faith traditions, where if you will come in the orthodox feels certain proprietorship and rituals are used to measure one's faith in sort of a yardstick of increased moreover that she has to be exhibited.

so that is i think a feature of many faith traditions. what is unique about the muslim experiences as he said, the muslim tradition is not accidentally so. i think it is intently so, intended by this tradition. at least to qualify as muslim, you have to look a certain way or to wear a scarf a certain way or to follow the rules that there is not an acceptance. there isn't this acceptance from within. if i were to identify the singular most important challenge to overcome as muslims, it would read the notion that these are available to muslims. the truth of the matter is the reason why we are here today is because of the wahhabi's inclination, which i read somewhere it is not only ahistorical, but actually anti-historical because it denies centuries of islamic theology and tradition and

plurality. hundreds of years of diversity. so the idea to be a muslim you have to just follow the seventh century and a very limited short period of time. i think our journey as american muslims has to be about refusing, being told by clerics who speak for a bit islam and its ideals of the seventh century reality. we are americans and muslims who need an islam of the 21st century. >> host: in some ways i've heard many people say that coming in now, they are not practicing, but cultural. they identify with their jewish identity and a very strong way. so we've also been suggesting there are muslims who may not be necessarily practicing all five

pillars? they might on a practice one pillar like charity or a believer in god and not necessarily going too fast for an entire month, but may be sorted dabbling in 13 -- in those pillars occasionally, but not the same. then you are sane that type. >> host: i think there is a statistic and i mention in the book, which is the research done by attorney, don, which has 90% of muslims do not actually adhere to the exact rituals and demands of their religion. absolutely it's just the reality of the fact that the ground. we don't whereon questioning christian or jewish or seeks for that matter. if they choose to self identify

as the faith they want to be in, soviet. ultimately it is between them and god and so much more in the case of muslims, where we don't have an official religion hierarchy. we don't have the equivalent of a pope. we don't even have confirmation rituals really. it is very much a religion based on the idea that your faith is between you and god >> host: your creator. >> guest: i'm very spiritual. i take a lot of solace in my religion and faith. i am inspired. sometimes i do my writing at 5:00 in the morning. i like to thank the call to prayer, which happens before sunrise, the first call is wake up and drive. wake up and work basically. driving is better than sleep. if i don't get up to necessarily engage in ritualistic prayer, i

up and engage in some sort of work. if it is not my work as a writer, and maybe it is my work in preparation, even maintaining a healthy body, going to the park and running or maybe getting an preparing for a meal that evening for my children. so i think a facelift in action impact this in life personally speaks to me. but that is my choice and i respect other peoples choices. >> host: causes in the quran that he who believes in god, meaning he she cut a human beings who believe in god have nothing to fear. salvation is really believing the connection you have and also doing good deeds. so doing us much good if you can comment serving humanity is really your way to securing a place in which will be recall us

having a paradise. you talk about your confrontation in your book about an event he speaks of islam. you mention an encounter where she interpreted her definition differently than yours. if you can just eliminate a little bit about that experience. >> guest: i think were in virginia at the time in as expanding on the idea that there is no one meaning to avail. sometimes they'll start taking off as a statement of opposition. sometimes the veil can be liberating because if you want in a conservative society that won't allow you to interpret the quran or study or go to school unless you wear one, then it enables you to take that path of empowerment. sometimes it can just be a very sort of akin to the experience

of a nine, where you are seeking salvation for you type a search i've cannot take experience in your life for your seeking solace out of a more virtual modest practice of life. as many interpretations of the veil. the thing that got to her and it's not mentioned in the quran, which i know it isn't. take joe kumar and cover your presents. she very much took issue with that and sought me out after the presentation and said to me, how can you call yourself a muslim? the five pillars of islam is that the house was built on. if you do not engage in them, you are weak muslims and details are very much required. that's the beauty of being in america. we have a freedom of choice. it is her choice. i feel my journey has been about feeling that i am equally

muslim, that there is room for me is the muslim within islam. very many progressive voices out there who are also on the same journey, scholars and academics are writing about it in a natural development. >> host: so of course there is no such thing as a lesser muslim in the eyes of god. in the eyes of god in the same one who submits to the will of god. how we decide how we're judged is really not up to another human being. so i'm surprised this devout woman came up to bad come and judge you on basis. a lot of people have been saying that, you know, there are no muslims anywhere. that's what we hear from the continuous refrain from american. we are at the moderate muslims? do you consider yourself to be a

moderate islam? and if you do, how do you define that? >> guest: i'm glad you asked that question because i have to make a cup. when i was on the road, we asked the question and at the time, i became disdainful of it. 1.6 billion of us. we are teachers, nurses, doctors, everywhere. another gets up in a moment and prepares breakfast for children doesn't make our headline news. so i've worried that somehow within the question were seen as a prejudice of how i was an aberration and exception and a typical muslim. very very dismissive. after book two, when i got home and there were no more speaking engagements, i got home one day

and i had npr radio on. at the time, it was a report that a somali girl named aisha was being stoned to death. she was killed for stoning. a true that for adultery and proceeded to stone her to death. i broke down in tears and i think suddenly i had developed a new set of ears. i heard the question of the moderates in a very different way, meaning that as a muslim, i needed more than to justify an aberration in specific to the conditions of somalia. i needed more than that. i needed to have absolute muslim positions that would relegate these awful part says to a time

and age that doesn't belong to today. so we certainly have our work cut out for us i think i've must understand we do need to demand those. i know people feel it. no one believes there should be stoning or amputations in today's world. the irony and the thing that confuses me and i do not understand it is i don't understand why some muslims have chosen to make that the response. stoning was sent developed by muslims. it was a choice tradition. so we need to articulate very clear definitive positions. >> host: well, the factoring muslim woman to take it upon yourself to educate the public and to help guide is an indication that muslim women are

coming in now, in the frontlines. recently we have seen muslim women interpreter square and all the squares very much part of the pro-democracy movement, challenging the status quo. it is frustrating that the muslim women when you know if granted all these rights 1400 years ago and yet in some parts of the world, you know, there's been so much regression of all those god-given rights being taken away from them. i mean, if it were up to you, what would you do to change that? yves already done. >> guest: first and foremost, the education and enlightenment is an indication of where we are at the first word of the quran is often translated as sabine

citations with no clear understanding. read of course is the truth, the better translation because in arabic it is to read. to redistricting, to critically think, to not just be blindly following and to think is to take the profits life and to put it in a context of time and understand he was first and foremost a feminist, a maverick, a progressive who very much in his first marriage chose a businesswoman and it reminds us all the time she proposed to him in marriage. how revolutionary is that? yes, an older woman. and we have of course other women he married who i think is

the first muslim lawyer. i think she has contributed the most to the tradition of the prophetic sayings. and so, in her time was consulted of legal issues in the community. she was also military leader. it is bizarre to me when we have these illustrious, incredible role models for women within our own faith traditions. so it definitely goes back to education, education, education and that would be the first. >> i remember reading glorious time and once. she says her prophet with a feminist. yes, we know that. feminists in the sense he was

surrounded by women and gave women. he regarded by men. if a woman walked in the room coming to take take that as coke and put it down so she could sit in a clean space. he was very respectful of women. yes, education is key in creating awareness all over the world. there's a lot of confusion in america about sharia. i know that you have spent some time in your book talking about what it really means. can you explain to the american audience what is really sharia versus what proponents are saying it is? >> guest: first, i am not an expert obviously i'm sharia law. from my gift, one of the most, for me come in beautiful revelations that happened but i was doing research for the book was i found that sharia

literally means the path to the watering hole. that is the path to salvation if you imagine the quran came down in the desert, where water was the most valuable resource. it is the difference between life and death. so the watering hole is the path to our salvation. it isn't something that is static. it's very much alive. in fact, all religions, all faith traditions have to be on a journey or otherwise they've become archaic and stale. and irrelevant. that's unfortunately my fear for islam. the more orthodox strand continues to speak on its behalf.

so, it's the equivalent of holocaust. certainly we all know we are not about to replace or operation of church and state or court system. there is no religion, thankfully so, something we american muslims very much appreciate and honor and value is frankly irrelevant in my life on a daily basis. so the fact that it was touted in years just this big sort of fear mongering, one more assertive take scary word -- [inaudible] that is definitely some pain that is confusing not to americans who are not muslims, but muslims themselves and it certainly to though many questions on my part as i did my research. >> guest: yes, a whole segment on sharia.

he just went around the all of these who felt hawala food. he said he was sharia. of course people who are praying, you know, in manhattan and all the places of worship. here is sharia. when we part as our religion freely, when we give charity, when we can fast, when we can believe in what we want to believe and in either type of food we went to eat, that is sharia. in that respect, sharia is very much part of the american eat those. now, say something in the book about your son. many coming in now, we belong to the faith traditions and belief in god is essential part of our

creed. but in your book, you talk about if your son decided to not be a muslim anymore and be another religion, that would be okay with you. ultimately it is a choice. i don't think that they such thing as being forced to stay within a faith tradition. plurality is about choice. if you take away choice, then there's no such thing as forced morality. who would trick you, god? god can see in our hearts and minds. to me it is counterintuitive. it's rational. the choice is the essence, freedom is the essence of morality of virtue. >> host: so you are basically busting that myth that the islam of posts run around saying if anybody -- if it doesn't convert, he becomes in a pot

date and therefore his life is at risk. to me, ultimately if i can just expand a little bit, he's created all the religions. all we do is worship him instead of one liturgy, in another liturgy there should be no competition between these religions. is that how you see a? >> guest: one of the reasons i am a muslim is because i think it is such a modern sensibility and it can have ecumenical, diversities hosts built-in to theology. as a muslim, i am required to believe in jesus and moses and 25 other prophet. even the virgin birth of mary. in fact, the prophet mohammed

according to tradition doesn't have a unique or special position. five times a day in prayer, we are supposed to kneel and pray and pray for pressing mps in the family. that of course is jesus. >> host: i think we mentioned abraham 22 times. >> guest: so that is very much where i find my home within the faith tradition. it has a sense of facility at ease with the idea that there many paths to god, that there is one god and one absolute truth. >> host: so wet that the muslims done wrong, where religion is so tolerant in so embracing? what have we done wrong in not being able to convey that powerful message that we embedded in our theology?

's disregard for christianity and judaism, what have we done wrong? >> guest: we have been living dark ages in terms of civilizations. we are at the mercy of repressive, intolerant tendencies within the political system and the faith tradition and they've taken the upper hand because of unfortunately oil money overabundance of our money. so i think sometimes muslims sadly, in some parts of the world don't recognize their own religion. that is to me such a pathetic question. it is sad and it's level and quality of ignorance. there is a whole -- we need to go back to our tax to read connect through civilization and within our civilization, within our faith traditions, but our

realm theology and diversity we have the answer. >> host: what does it feel like to watch a muslim killing muslim and using around the allergies to justify those kinds of atrocious bombings and killings? >> guest: i'm going to be blunt. it is the most -- it is disgusting. it is shameful. it brings shame to islam. it brings shame to me as muslims. i take it personally. as a mother tries to bring it in a very real way into our home and not distance ourselves from it. >> host: does does your result to a deeper that you have to do something about it? icuf that result. >> guest: passionate. yes, i have a lot of passion because it's coming from a place, a real place of concern,

a real place of hurt and frustration and they will pay seven mouth with lunacy and ignorance. so yes, i'm sorry if i sound perhaps that it is passionate. it's very real. it's very dear, very close to my heart as a woman, as a mother, as an american. >> host: this reminds me when they decided enough was enough that they were not considered the countries that all men are eat all in the eyes of god or in the eyes of the constitution and black men and women were considered when they were motivated to their faith that said if god has created everyone in his image, then why is man treating the black man and woman as an area?

is some ways, they are the steps and i am a proud inheritor of the suffrage movement and i know that you are also going along that same legacy. >> host: when you say inspired by their faith can ascend to that is close and dear to my heart. during many men and women who have spoken the issues from within the faith. they have perhaps identified as agnostics or non-muslims anymore for anti-muslims sometimes. i come to it from a place of love and respect for my faith and that is the difference that i have a deep, deep love for islam and deep respect and at the same time, much frustration and much passion for the need

for it to get back together. >> host: you are not rebelling against the sun. you were rebelling against the muslims were taken as long? >> guest: we have failed it. >> host: so, is there anything you would like to tell your audience that i haven't asked you? >> guest: i think that last sentence would be pretty much close to what i, yes a place of deep fundamental respect for my values that i hold dear, the values as a family we hold dear, which is respect for american values and islam values and we see no contradiction to train the two and unlike matt, hot friend whom i read about in the book, who told me, you know, you are not an american. i think he had the time said to me, your people are the source

of all violent in the world. that is -- at the time i thought i am your people, too. i'm an american. he said to me, no, you're not. i'd also like to add one sort of pet peeve i had is the idea that islam is by definition, you know, the question is i take issue with that question because i think it is one that both sides don't answer well and it is very divisive question. by definition, puts muslims under the senses. we make insisted the religion of peace and the other side says the religion of work, it is a futile approach. really, any religion is on this peaceful or that is the hand of

finds itself in. any faith traditions have all had their moments of peace and they've all had their moments of violent. islam is not immune to be there. so i think that's another point. >> host: i wanted to thank you very much. ladies and gentlemen, "burqas, baseball, and apple pie." you are really trying to understand educate yourself of the ignorance of the world. i highly recommend it. it is an easy read. you can read it over the weekend. i thank you are a match for joining us today. >> guest: it is been my pleasure. thank you.

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