>> thank you, mr. vice president. a brief intermission and then we will carry on with the program. thank you. ..

>> thank you very much. >> you know when ryan was giving the introduction i was getting nervous at the end he was going to say one of these days he is going to find something he is good at. it is an honor to be here. thanks for braving the weather. he talked about the music part of me. i was in los angeles last night and i wanted the bring them with me. you would have loved them and then i would have had to play with them and you would not have loved that.

i am headed back there tonight and tomorrow i am there with more meetings from an organization that provides musical instruments to children. and then i will go from los angeles to new york and funeral services are held monday. i lost my i-phone in the course of this. it is a horrible thing. i got it back. i called the nsa and they knew exactly where it was. and they put all of my e-mails back in. it was very nice of them. i cannot begin my comments to you without saying a heart felt word of deep thanks to ryan

prebus that showed courage that so many of us appreciate. and that is it would have been very easy to go ahead with the meeting yesterday. but in a show of true solidary with so many people who are passionate about life did a marvelous thing so people could p participate. thank you. [ applause ] >> i think it is time republicans no longer accept listening to the democrats talk about a war on women. because the fact is the republicans don't have a war on women. they have a war for women. for them to be empowered and something other than victims of their gender.

they think women's only goal in life to have the government provide birth control. women i know are smart, educated and intelligent. if the democrats want to insult the women of america make them thank you they are helpless without uncle sugar coming with a prescription for the government because they are not control their libido let's take that discussion on the road. women need to stand up and say enough of that non-sense. i think it is time we lead that

discussion. i will be in new york on saturday for a while. people can me are you going to move to new york? and i tell them before the governor of new york decided he doesn't like kind up there, and even before i said not moving to new york unless they let me duck hunt in central park. so i don't think i will be going. i was shocked. the governor of new york says that people who are as he calls us "extreme" if we believe ever life has value and worth. and we are extreme if we think we should be able to protect ourselves and stand by and hope the police can arrive before whatever predator has broken down the door and had his way in

our lives and homes. and he made it clear. he said these kind of people are not welcome in new york. delighted to hear that. and i hope he is going to exempt from all of the taxes i have to pay because every time i do a show in new york they decided it is worthy of them taking a significant piece of it. so governor, if you don't mind, sense you don't want me there, i am sure none of my money is welcome in new york either. [ applause ] >> well, i don't know if you know this or not, but we are coming up very soon in a couple weeks to the 50 anniversary of an extraordinary american moment. it has to do with the beetles arriving in the u.s. and being on the ed sullivan show. i want to tell you this because

there was an untold story of the beetles that you might be hearing about. it is the story of the unknown 5th beetles. there was supposed to be a fifth one. the fifth beetle never got the attention that was deserved. but for those of you who are as old as i am, and that means old as dirt, but you can understand the beetles coming to the u.s. and being on ed sullivan show launched a cultural revolution. a lot of people don't understand. the country had just gone through a painful time of mourning a death of a president who had been assassinated. there was dheart break.

and we couldn't believe it was possible for our own president to be assassinated in the streets of our own cities. the anxiety of that coupled with war in southeast asia left americans with a sense of pessimism. when the beetles came, so many followed them because the beetles looked like they were going somewhere and the baptist looked like they were sorry they had been. [laughter] >> but there was a young man who saw the beetles on ed sullivan and was taken by what he saw. and so very much said i would look to be the fifth beetle. now there was one problem: he

didn't know how to play the guitar. he began to work toward having a guitar. and for three years he did everything possible to get a guitar. after three years, this young man's parents were tired of hearing him complain how he wanted an electric guitar so they ordered one from the jc penny mail order catalog and presented it to him at christmas. they could not afford it. they spent $99 on the guitar and amplifier that came with it. he had no idea how much money that represented it. it took them a year to pay for it. they paid a little each year until it was all paid off. but that didn't matter to the young man because he knew he was

going to be the fifth beetle. he learned to play and practiced until his fingers were bleeding. he got to be where he was good enough to be in a band. he continued to play thinking the day would come when the beetles came and said you were the fifth beetle. the fifth beetle moment never came. and he was never discovered to be that great of a guitar player. but he is standing before you. i was the 11-year-old kid who got the guitar and wanted to be the fifth beetle. can i tell you what i believe

happened in 1963? i was eight when i saw them. the beetles brother brought more than music. they brought hope. we were trying to get over the assassination of a president and a psyche that was deeply bruised. the energy, excitement, youthfulness and difference they brought brought hope which our country desperately needed. and their music was pretty good. today we are in a time when we really need more than we ever needed in america before a since of hope and optimism. a lot of people are discouraged. 92 million americans don't have jobs and are not in the job market anymore. 6.7% unemployment rate only

because another 100,000 people or so have decided there is no point in applying for a job. the highest record of americans that have taken them self out of the job market in the history of the country. the president wants to talk about income inequality. let's go there. let's talk about the fact that the party that has preached poverty and how to fix it has led this country to spend $20.7 trillion in current dollars since the year 1964 since the war on poverty. and more people are in poverty today than when it started. i would say the war on poverty isn't going well. the reason it isn't is because

with you cannot get rid of poverty until you bring to people a since of hope and o optimism and that comes with a prospect of getting an education, a job and going beyond the life the government wants them to live. our party isn't afraid to talk about improving the income inequality. we don't want people to live in a house because this is the one the government says. and this is the failing school your child has to go to and you have no choice. we should be there party that apologetically says there are way too many people who are struggling and who are poor. and one of the ways that we need

to address it is to build a country whose economy is based on the notion that if you are willing to work and work hard you can get ahead. and it isn't the government's boot that is going to be in your face every time you try to get out of the hole. there are many of you who understand what i am talking about today. [ applause ] >> because many of you grew up like i did. there was no silver spoon in my mouth. i grew up in a home like so many of you with parents and grandparents who never had a formal education. i am the first mail in my entire family that gay marriaraduated school much less went to college. but i did have hope. it wasn't all based on the beetles. it was based on the notion that i believed america was the kind of place where i started didn't mean that is where i had to stop. there was something else going

for me. something that kept me just barely above the poverty line and sometimes not quite: a stable home. a wonderful article was written in the washington journal and he pointed out the most important solution to dealing with poverty is stable families/marriage. if two parents are married and remained married there is a 7.5% likelihood that child will be in poverty. if the child is in the family of a single mom there is a 34% likelihood that child will be in poverty. out of wed lock is 29%, hispanics 52% and african-americans 72%.

in 1964, a lawyer at the u.s. department of labor, when the unwed birth rate was in single digit he said got help us if it goes to double digit because it will create levels of poverty we cannot sustain. let's not create policies that discourage marriage and the family and uphold that institution of marriage and makes it easier for people foree main involved in the lives of their family and children. we need to empower parents. maybe some people in america don't agree, but i think most

republicans understand that we would much rather have the children of america be raised by a mother and father rather than by uncle sam. we cannot afford to have generations of children who are under the care of government when in fact what they need are parents who are empowered to make the strong decisions for them as to where they will get their education, holding those educational institutions accountable for the level of education they are receiving and having the option to put them somewhere else if the school fails the children. [ applause ] >> when we don't have those options we leave those children in the world of hurt. and that is why we have to begin to come up with fiscal sanity, which we don't have. think about in 1913 the entire tox code was all of 400 pages.

it is a 74,000 pages and that is before obamacare. with obamacare it is probably another 100,000 pages. don't worry. nan nancy pelosi said we will know what it is after we pass it. we need to remind them at election time this year that it wasn't the republicans who hoisted this massive monster on the people of america. it was harry reid, nancy pelosi, the president and why not give the republicans an opportunity to put finger prints on a plan to replace, repeal and get something that will actually help empower families and

empower doctors and empower nurses and no longer shackle us to a health care system that is unaffordable because the affordable care act is proven to be anything but. [ applause ] >> that is why it is important we don't take no for an answer. i think about the 431 billion spent last year just complying with the tax code. didn't produce a thing except paper and accounting bills. $431 billion was the cost it took for americans to comply with the tax code. i know not everyone agrees with the strong tax where we would tax our consumption. it is hard sell. butt i am believing we need a

fundamental change. we don't need to tweak the code. we need to undo the mess that has been created and start over with something that will help build an economy. you cannot build an economy as long as you are punishing productivity and awarding the opposite. [ applause ] >> i have learned a lot raising my three children who are all grown and presenting me with grand children. they went to college and got jobs. two greatest days in a parent's life. the day they are born and the day they are out of college and off your payroll. as the kids left, we always had dogs, but we ended up with a

second dog. and then a third dog. three kids? three dogs. the kids to this day swear we replaced them with the dogs. they are pretty upset about it. complained a lot. even said we think you replaced us with the dogs and sometimes we think you love those dogs more thank you loved us. and we told them the dogs behave better than you guys ever did. but i learned something about life from raising kids and training dogs, if there is a behavior you want more of, reward the behavior. you will get more of it. and consequence the behavior if you want less of it and you will get less of it. you may have to consequence it a lot as a child but that is how you change behavior.

what do we in our culture? we created an entire government policy that says if you are productive we are going to punish you. if you work and earn something we will tax it. if you save it, we will tax it. if you invest it and it is successful we will tax it. if you invested, then later sell it and make a profit, we will tax that. if you have done well and saved through your life and have something left, even when you die we will tax that, too. so every aspect of producttivity we tax. we need to send the message across america, especially those who have been fooled that think higher taxes is as a wonderful

think to see, that is the government's way of saying they don't value the work you do. they value what they are doing with the money not what you did to get it. i know people coming home from work tired. they lift heavy things. their muscles hurt. and the government by taxing them more is saying what you do isn't very important. what we do, as a government, is so important that we are willing to take more of what you do and do with it what we think is more valuable. when is america going to say you don't have much to show for what you have done. you spent money you didn't have, borrowed money you cannot afford to pay back. maybe the people who worked hard and earned the money ought to be able to keep more of it.

that is the republican message. it isn't a message i am ashamed for. and i don't think it is as a message any republican should be. it is messaging we should take to every person in the country. the democrats have kept their feet on top of had -- the -- little guy. i want him to have an opportunity to be the big guy. obamacare is going to be the issue of his election no matter whether the president wants it to be or not. it should be. i cannot think of a better opportunity for the republicans to increase their numbers in the house and take the senate and finally make harry reid go sit in the back of the room and wait until mitch mcconnell tells him which bills he can talk about and can't.

that would be a wonderful turn in this country. the only thing that would keep us from seeing that happen is if we were going to decide we would rather fight each other than fight for the people of this country than to fight for the people of the country who deserve a better government than the president, nancy pelosi and harry reid is giving them. i have differences with other republicans. i don't see eye-to-eye with everyone in this room. i get that. we are part of the same family. and everybody in the room and goes to vote in the republican primary, to be honest, if there is differences, they are minute compared to the differences that i have with those on the other

side of the aisle. there are no republicans who voted for obamacare. or who are advocating to jack up the income tax. i don't know of any republicans who think we should be a weaker nation and destroy the military. i don't know of any republicans that think we should disarm neighbors and ask friendly countries like israel to stop building bedrooms but teams up with syria. i know of no republican that takes that position. whatever differences we have, compared to the differences with the other parties they are small. let's stop using the therm rhino

and calling each other somehow less republican than someone else. before for the person you are for. i am thinking in our attempt to fight for purity, did the rnc vote this week and mr. chairman, you can let us know, you represent us as a party and i don't remember the rnc saying here is what one must believe to be a real republican. and anyone not here is a rhino. if there is going to be an organization who can set that standard it is you. you are the official body of policy making for the party on

the national level. maybe you should do that. maybe you shouldn't. i would certainly ask that we would accept the reality that if you are with me 90% or even 80% or 70% of the time you are still that much closer to me than nancy pelosi, harry reid or obama. and i will take you any day any time. this coming monday i'm going to be in a remarkable ceremony in aushi

aushitz. there is going to be a holocaust survivor and many are going back to the killing grounds since they were children and liberated from there. it is going to be a powerful day i am sure. as i think about it, and even anticipate what they day is going to be like, i realize that the horrors of what happened in that place where 1.1 million people were brutally and savagely murdered it all started when people were devalued. when people were deemed less than someone else. when people were deemed they were not worth as much. maybe because they were old. maybe because they were sick and couldn't work.

and sometimes just because they were jewish. we look back on that time in history and we think how could educated, thoughtful, university-trained, how could a nation like germany with all of the resource and vast level of the population with higher education get to a place where they could do something so heinous as what happened? and you realize that the only way you can end up there is that when you start with the idea that some people just are not as valuable as you are. it is why that as a believer i have to remind myself that none of us are better than another. and no one is less than any of us. if i accept that for the great

human family and i value every life as having worth and entran entranivalue, i will be able to value those who join me in a party i joined as a teenager. i am not a libertarian. i don't think the democrats are always wrong. but by choice i am a republican. proudly. gladly. and hopefully responsibly a republican. if i can find value in every human being on his earth, i am not going to devalue the people

in the political organization that i have decided to fix myself to and be an active part of since i was a teenager. that is why i ask us let's fight the real battle. the real battle in this country is joblessness and poverty. it is dispar. the lack of hope. the weakness the nation has if we don't have strong leaders that recognize we are exceptional and god gave us a gift and we must be good stewards. if we can join in that, we don't have time to fight each other. we have a bigger battle to fight and win. thank you very, very much. [ applause ]

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law and other classes. hillary was an ivy league law school grad that worked as part of the nixon impeachment campaign. >> first lady hilary clinton monday night. >> the secretary of housing and urban development shaun donovan talked at the u.s. conference of mayors. this is just over on hour. -- an -- [inaudible conversations]

>> good morning. good morning. we are going to call the meeting to order. if folks could take their seats. we have a full agenda this morning for this particular committee. my name is settee warren and i am the chair for the u.s. conference of mayors in housing. i want to welcome you all here. committee members and those joining us outside of committee. i want to welcome c-span to the meeting. we are pleased to talk to a wide audience this morning. we have a few item on the agenda

this morning. i want to start with shaun donovan and then we will hear from the city community director and the brooking's institute is here. they have very good talks and then question and answers. i want to make sure you know who the vice chairs members are. so i will first start with secretary donovan and then move through the agenda this morning. just one note because you all know how important cvg fundss are for us, before i introduce

the secretary, and i want to get this out, we are excited with the good news for cvbg. we know that it is up to all of us to be aggressive in talking to members of congress and the senate about how important this program is. i want to mention two things while the secretary is here that we are going to be asking committee members to participate in between now and the spring. this is the 40th anniversaries. this has been one of the most successful programs as far as funding housing at the local levels with mayors. we want to make sure we communicate with the country around the importance of this program. so what we are going to be asking you to do, members of the

committee and members of the conference, is to commit to highlighting successful cbgd projects or outcomes in your community between now and may. and we have as you know in our committee meeting in vegas. we have a website where we are asking you upload highlights from those events as well as the community partners that help make cdbg so successful and productive. please upload that on the web page on u.s. conference of mayors. we will send the conference and jean will send out a notice for a follow-up. this will be with a group we do

on capital hill in the spring with members of the house and senate. i will stop you before you walk out of the room and make sure you join us for that because we have to make sure we protect this program. so, with that, as i said, the good news is cbdg is funded at $3.03 billion for 2014. they recommended at $1.6 billion so we are pleased that didn't happen. all of this work we have done with collaboration of hud is extremely important. introducing shaun donovan, he be

a fantastic help. it has been a pleasure working with you, secretary, and many of the mayors are pleased you are here and sharing your time with us. so i will introduce secretary shaun donovan. thank you for being here. very much appreciate it. [ applause ] >> thank you. it is great to be back with all of you. i want to start by thanking setti for his leadership. we have gotten to spend a lot of time together not just through his leadership of this committee but also i will get a call from him saying i found this innovative thing. he is not just talking the talk. he is walking the walk on doing things that are intivateive and

new. i want to thank you thank ralph baker as well. you have done wonderful things. i have lots of familiar faces around the table. i see new faces. and congrats to those who are just stepping in as new mayors or relatively new mayors. before i jump into the work that hud does i want you to know a little bit about me. i come from where you all live. and by that, my job immediately prior to working for the mayor was working for the city. one thing i understand is there is no republican or democratic

way to take out the trash was said by a famous new york mayor and i understand what we do or don't know in washington, d.c. you have to get your jobs done. you are where the rubber hits the road. i want to show you i am wearing my new york city manhole cover cuff links today. and they are my favorite cuff links because they remind me why i am here. that ultimately if the sewer system doesn't work in your town, trash doesn't get collected, snow doesn't get plowed as my recent friends in the northeast know, things don't work. and you are on the front lines for that. and i want you to know that for me and my whole team, many coming from local government, we

get what you are dealing with and the work you need to do. and i hope you have seen that in the last five years. we have made a lot of progress at hud but we have a ways to go. work with me, give me the good and bad feedback in terms of what is not working, and i would encourage you to get to know your regional administrator for hud. we have a full team in place. just added three more in various places. they are great resources for you. sit with our team. understand what we do. and let's build that working relationship. so, having said that, let me deal with a number of things i know are on your mind. and i am going to start right where setti started and that is to talk about the blocks. i get that cbdg and h.o.m.e.

are important. i understand how critical they are. i want to focus on both because sometimes h.om.m.e isn't gettin the same attention. we work with 650 of you and created 1.1 million affordable housing units through h.o.m.e. 2 280,000 people have been able to get rental assistance. and it is so important we keep hammering home this. for every dollar we put into the program we leverage four dollars from somewhere else. so at a time where we are talking about our fiscal deficit

that is real bang for the buck. it is an argument we ought to be making time and time again. unfortunately, these programs have been squeezed. if you think about the fact that h.o.m.e is down 50% and cbdg is down 25% from when the fiscal problems started. these have been squeezed just about as much as anything else. it is big victory for all of us. and i will tell you over the five years, i have never seen better work than i saw this year partnership between our agency and all of you to make the case for these programs. i give you a lot of credit setti, your leaders ed and ralph get a ton of credit of this.

that is a real victory. i would love to see us back up where we were but this is a real victory in the times we are dealing with. i think it is important, also, that we show we are thinking in innovative and creative ways. that we are looking at common sense smart reforms that will help us make the case better. this past year, and many of you were involved, but new folks might not have been aware of this, we started a dialogue, we called it moving cbdg forward.

we wanted to make sure we could make the argument we are using the dollars in an affective and accountable way. unfortunately, you maybe aware of this, we had a "washington post" series on the h.o.m.e program that was unfair. we have to be vigilant on this and show we are using the dollars wisely. you should expect to see in our 2015 budget a set of proposals around those ideas that came out of the listening sessions. i want to be clear, we are not saying those are ideas we are done talking. we want tat to be the beginning of the next stage in the conversation which is to say how do we make the programs as affe

affective as we can. some of the decisions are tough and we are down to numbers where we are talking about $30-$60,000 and that is impossible to figure out how to run the program. hiring the staff to run it cost you more than you are getting. so we have to find creative ways to think about partnering together and doing other things that could help us. let's fight for the dollars which we want to do but fight to make the programs as affective as possible. second thing i want to touch on is the fantastic work we have done around homelessness. in 2010, this president launched an initiative we called opening doors. this was the first time the federal government said we are going to have a plan not just to

put a ban aid on the program, but to end homelessness. we had goals to end military homelessness by 2015 and children and family by 2018. and with small amounts of money like rent or security deposit we can get people into housings. and 90% of the people are housed a year later with that little money. housing first is another strategy that is very effective. and we have worked hard to strengthen partnerships with veterans affairs. and bringing together the housing resources with the health care and the other

support the va provides. and this ultimately shows in the results. during the time we would see homelessness sky rocket, not only do we have very difficult economic situation, and many long-term unemployed and hundreds of thousands of veterans coming from back overseas. we have pushed down family by 7%, chronic by 16% and veteran's by 24%. so really impressive work. i want to say there are a set of places and cities and towns around the country that are doing spectacular work on this. the mayor in phoenix and salt

lake city made a challenge they were going to get every single chronically homeless vet on the street and both of them have done that. and that is just just one step toward ending veteran's homelessness completely. we are seeing that where you will make this a priority and focus on it and work to bring creative resources you can do remarkable things. and i will just say this: at a time when our trust deficit in government, particularly the federal government, is just as bad as our fiscal deficit, to be to say to an american we have our veterans/heroes off the street is a powerful way to say government works. and we can do stuff together between the federal and local level that makes a difference in people's lives. so i want to make sure we are working together and we are coming back to you asking you

all to make commitments about what you can do to end veteran's homelessness and other forms particularly chronic homelessness. we want your partnership and you stepping up and doing more on this. i think it is also important that we recognize and this comes again from my work at the local level, that so often what you see in a federal partner feels like 18 different agencies with a hundred different programs and a lot of time we are not so good at delivering those things in a way you understand how they come together and one plus one doesn't just equal to two it can equal three because we are bringing smart. not to mention bringing you the best practices. and cutting red tape where you need it so we're not part of the

problem. and one of things i have been focused on is how we create better par partnerships and come together at the regional and county levels. i want to touch on three specific efforts that are near and dear to my heart and the president's heart. first, many of you know and some of you grabbed me at the door as i was coming in to talk about it, you know about the choice neighborhood effort. this is successor to the very successful hope six program. i was just in seattle over the last couple days looking at one of the first five choice neighborhoods. they are bringing together housing, educational training and job training and a new light rail line. remarkable work. just a couple weeks ago the

president said we are taking this to the next level with the promise zone. we are bringing together a set of what we call our signature community development initiat e initiatives, choice neighborhoods at hud, promise neighborhoods at the department of education which an effort to make the harlem kid's zone in new york and look at kids from the time they are in the cradle to the time they are grown up and matching them up throughout the community. that is an effort that is part of it. our burn criminal justice to make sure we are bringing public safety into this. we are bringing them together and then putting them on steroids. we picked the first five promise zones. we will pick at least 15 more during the rest of the administration. we are asking congress to give us tax credits for hiring and

business development. and building on the empowerment zone effort. we will give those communities advantages for more than 20 different other competitive programs. we will put in place a top-notch federal team from all of the key agencies on the ground in that community that is going tomake sure they are getting the help they need that i talked about. the partnership. we will bring technical assistance and vista volunteers. all of that is key. i want to make sure we are clear about the goal, right? the president said this when he announced it last week. we have too many communities of

c co concentrated poverty where the single-most important thing for their lifespan is their zip code. and that is just wrong. we cannot let kids growing up in concern neighborhoods stifle their dreams. we have to bring all of the resources we can together to help this. you might say 20 isn't enough and i agree. we want to work with a broad group of you and that is why we are picking the finalist that didn't get designated and doing more work with them but this is a capstone effort of the what is representing what we are trying to do in community development overall. second, at the city level we have the strong city strong communities effort. we named ten cities and

announced an expansion of seven more now. the idea is at a city level the thing we are doing at neighborhood level in promise zone. we want to design a specific team that says if your big issue is expanding your airport and helping the neighborhoods near there like it was in memphis. it is a port issue or you have a serious problem with food deserts and jobs like in chester, pennsylvania. whatever your key economic challenges are, we mean bring the right folks to sit down in your office and they will have the bat phone. you call to whoever you need to get in washington with that team to try to get those issues resolved. again, not everybody is going to

be a strong city/strong community partner, but we can take the best practices and change how we work. we will announce the national resource network next week. i hear from you, look, i have to know what are the best partners or cities around the county doing on this particular issue. i want to know what is innovative and the best practices. this is a team of folks you can draw on that are the best practitioners to come to your city and help you design what you are looking to do that is innovative. it is technical assistance and the best practiced. we have the folks on retainer basically and you say i need help with this issue and we will

get a team to help you take that on. and third, and finally, i want to touch on the sustainability on the regional level. we have joined with several teams and we have funded 143 planning graphs, some at the local and some at the regional, that help you connect transportation and infrastructure to housing. for many folks this is a regional light rail system. salt lake city is a great example of that. but there are so many other cities as well. with these 143 planning grants we have reached half of the american population. it is starting to better drive growth and development it is also lowering cost for your

citizens. transportation is get to be more expensive than houses in many communities. 52 cents of every dollar is spend on housing and transportation. if we can help drive down the cost and make your neighborhoods more attractive and create better places to live that is a huge part of economic competitiveness. more and more the knowledge working is deciding where they want to live and companies and capitals are following. ...

those are just a few highlights of the things that i am really excited about working with you on. obviously a lot to make sure that we have some time to hear from all of you about what else might be undermined. let me just close by saying thank you. where i started this is that you all i where innovation is happening. your weather rubber meets the road across our country. more and more i and just incredibly impressed with the quality of the work to make great neighborhoods, replaces, and to drive our economic growth in this country. we want to be a partner with you in doing all of that.

the key. [applause] >> should open it up for questions. >> thank you for all the work the do. and i just want to thank the secretary for each year dragging -- coming here in doing what he's doing. just on a personal note of what to say that you have been incredible, seeing a lot of changes in terms of accessibility in your office, especially at the regional level those folks are getting things solved. in the past that was not always the case, and i think that is important, to build those relationships. especially seeing a really different look and take on the overhauling of housing authorities across the country which, of course, is always a problem. moving to what i bring up almost every year, that is about how entitlement communities receive funds.

is the one place in the pro-government were, of course, entitlement communities receive dollars for those who may not realize it directly. goes around the normal federalism $6 cut the states and counties first. emeritus of important that is because you know, as you said, where the rubber meets the road, what you need when things happened fast. >> that the widow of our governors, but the money has of fun in that way of not exactly going at the same rate in the same manner when it goes to to other jurisdictions. >> i've never experienced that. never. >> i just love to say of the hazard mitigation as funds disaster relief funds, those on like normal cd bg entitlements, sometimes even for entitlement communities they don't find their way directly. and so for the past few years i brought up your and maybe there is a way to do it through resolution here at some point, but to maybe draw some tighter guidelines in that realm so that

in emergencies when it is probably most important that this money flows right, we are not circumventing some things that really would be helpful in terms of that money flowing exactly like it does in normal times. emirs know when an emergency occurs, where the funds are needed. they are the folks who are the innovators and the folks who, frankly, were in a world now where legally it is still about sovereignty, states and the federal government. would like to see that money flow better in the emergency situations. techie. so unfortunately, i have had the duty of the last five years spend a lot of time by natural disasters. you can argue abstractly about the science, but when you look in the guise of a family that has just been hit by a tornado

, i mean, i will never forget to sisters i met in alabama on a visit after tuscaloosa was hit so bad who were searching for their moms pictures and stuff just scattered through their neighborhood. and it is a terrible, terrible thing. folks are not asking abstract questions about climate change. they're saying, how can we better protect our communities, what can we do to recover. i do think that this point of where the money goes is very, very important. and we have, for the first time ever, no administration had ever done this before, we have taken the cd bgd our money, the disaster recovery money and awarded it directly to jurisdictions for the first time and as miramax knows, he has been the beneficiary of that. we don't always get the formula right, we're willing to listen and go back and make sure we do

that. one of the challenges is just capacity, too. we want to make sure that we have jurisdictions that are giving the 100, 500 times more cd deasy money than they have never done before. and so we do want to work -- in some cases we are working with the state, making short. a lot of cases we are making direct awards to cities, counties to make sure that they are able to benefit directly from that. so i agree that the problem you're going to have a lot of the u.s. dollars like chasm mitigation grants is that their rules are much stricter than cbc. already flexible. we have been able to get congress to give us even more flexibility in recent rounds, but it would really changed the stafford act to make progress of some of the dollar's.

you know how likely it is to get something through congress these days. it is important that if you want to be surgical about that, if you have some very specific changes, i would be happy to work with the new secretary of d.h. estimates a johnson, to focus on that. >> appreciate that answer. we can follow connect with the appropriate staff from whenever agencies and see what our next sib. we will -- and steve if i can be the bad guy because we have to keep going year. one more question because we have two other agenda items. i apologize. >> thank you. secretary donovan, some kind of

simple planning. the chicago, we do have a viejo hospital -- >> mike please. >> sorry about that. we do have a hospital in our town. you know, the homeless problem that exists through that is, you know, it does affect not only our town, but our county. i know you spoke. think it was called having purse -- >> housing first. >> could you expand on that a little bit more. i know through our funding we are able and have gotten a grant. one of the grants is to actually establish 20 new homes with in our town and do some new rehabs. through that we wanted to try to bring that program or bring some programs and to our town to help the homeless. >> i would just point out,

barbara poppy is here from our u.s. interagency council on homelessness. they lead their core nation that cuts across hyde, hhs, all of the different agencies that are involved. but look, housing first is -- it may sell a simple but it has been pretty revolutionary. police say was you have a long-term and generally harmless illustrate, single individuals substance abuse problems, many mental health issues. in the old approach was to say, look, we will put even entry program, we will try to get the medication they need, and if you do well when you sort of graduates from that, the next up is to get into housing. and what we figured out is that we had exactly backwards, that in fact it will be incredibly

difficult for folks to kick their habits, be able to overcome whatever challahs they have if they are not housed first. by the way, it is much more expensive to let somebody live off the streets than to house them. when you think about the amount of time ..

>> there is some initial resistance because they are struggling. they are still drinking or they have substance abuse issues. having done these community meeting this don't tell me will locate this housing in their communities. [laughter] but what is amazing about this approach is that it works. it has become the standard approach, it is a big money, it is changing lives and it is something we can

work with you on. i was just in seattle and the communication is great. they deal with the challenge to take people off the street. it is something the virginia has taken up we have used hud vouchers we get 10,000 every year ended has been very powerful. the house saying first approach which for many folks they just need help getting into housing with the down payment, not a down payment but a security deposit or a utility bill. those jews strategies together have been very powerful. hud has very flexible resources that can be used to do both of these and we

can figure out exactly how to do it. >> we are so appreciative of the fact you have taken your time to be here with us. just a few quick points, while i heard that the answers and suggestions you may throw your presentation and. you walk the walk as well as they also appreciate the interagency working you are doing to get away from the silos of government with transportation and a and hhs as well. because it makes it better for repairs when they can go to one place. thank you very much for being here. >> my pleasure. [applause]

[inaudible conversations] >> i would like to move on to our next order of business. our next speaker is global director of city and global development bob leaves the partnerships through microfiber and serve neighborhood revitalization. he leads global commercial relationships with aicher financing community institutions to expand access to services with focusing on innovative platforms for scaling access through partnerships. based in london with the u.s. fdic chairman and the world bank executive committee.

bob will speak on innovative public private partnerships. >> i will try to keep it brief to get back your programming but this follows so closely to what secretary donovan said. it is an evolution in the way that we and other financial institutions work on community development the way we are increasingly heading. we have now for years housing has been a cornerstone of the work that many banks have done with community development and to with teeeighteen we're not the largest but the largest provider of affordable housing in the united states what many institutions have done that has ben supported by the community investment act 70 have benefited from

but where the ndp is enormous importance as it is that sometimes trapped geography it may well be needed but we cannot go beyond that. figgie in terms of a evolution of the interagency discussion of how that can happen in some institutions go to that investing where it is the greatest need not just the regulatory incentives. but housing has been a cornerstone and secretary donna been reworked enormously together with him and building innovation but one of the things about community development that has been very silent and institutions tended to work and housing, education housing, education, health care and very often and directly with community organizations not

necessarily in alignment with the mayors' offices for the cities themselves. we found ourselves evolving a lot of what we have done the last two years and italy from community care centers to working in groups like california to get fresh fruit into many areas or urban areas. or charter school financing. it is about moving beyond course. but what we looked at most of all is the opportunity to look and work with mayor's office is that are more scalable to reach across geography. of course, that mitt our nonprofit community partners. but doing it in the light man demanded partnership has proven to less of a greater scale to be a repetition

where it may be present or not with strong community organizations exist. mayor's offices has become ideas centers. where should we put our resources? with community development tool lightning that artwork yes that time said a national level but it is so much more important to go down to the local level that is where it is important there are teams that are so good that among the best talent coming out of city administration because of the innovation something that we can replicate the if wave across with the

secretary speaks to really looking as specific areas of greatest need with allied and coordination between development programs. one area we have been working around to finance them. and the chicago teams had to replicate those groups? in new york and san diego and other cities across other institutions. it takes leadership of the mayor's office has of was the constraint with the manufacturing alliance that she spoke of their earlier

committee meetings of technology the city groups creating new jobs or businesses very much offered by young budgeters but that movement around her bet manufacturing, from old to head the industry has great momentum having done that from the yarkand san francisco with a whole network of cities and very well of line to. that linkage to the mayor's office breaks the opportunity to show we will reach greater scale also to show private funding. that is reaching 22 cities at this point. with the eligible small minority businesses we learned it is not enough just to get small-business

is certified rather minority-owned or otherwise for contracts reedy to be sure there were certified for the right contract and getting the support to meet the challenges of public procurement with beneath fiduciary rules. one of the areas one program but isn't working with a the housing department to get a number of this small business is not just certified by to collaborate and get contracts. that is also keeping some of that working in the city itself which of course, is open in most cases but the opportunity for your own reid is a pallid a so very focused program around fact so also the other focus area that came up that the bear

brought up is the unemployment. for us long-term we the people in their 50s who wore a out of work after decades who are particularly having a hard time getting back into the job market in long-term the expression anyone who has not worked 27 weeks is not a very long time most of whom are very qualified whose industry has shifted and they need something more than with you coming into the job market and working with a a group we began working on it we saw the mayor of bridgeport that convinced us that mattered to bring intel long-term residents that we saw unemployment going down with the headline numbers we

know it has remained in between with long-term unemployed. we look at that and then others around areas such as of one stop information that is the outgoing national as well. universal child savings savings, kindergarten through college party to build a platform that universal kindergartens savings accounts again with the leadership of the cities are as we look at immigration so how do we work through the schools therefore they get it through the resources they need to do that to rebuild out a program through the city of new york. i would like to deal with the idea the idea of a holistic approach is greater

by working with mayors' offices because of the past we worked more directly with strong organizations of the community by a lightning and with the broader programs you have a figure of community development we certainly see than with the '04. said attorney or los angeles that have been awarded we will focus resources to aggregate to make those true success is a real look forward to working with but upon examples of things we can replicate to leverage the private sector partnership with those of civil society to make the grade is scale and impact. thank you. >> thank you very much. [applause]

>> we like to do put as many issues as we can in an hour. this is to rearm. [laughter] i will introduce kerry will make a brief presentation then we can wrap up for either that you have but as i introduce her many if you are in that committee meeting is loss vegas you haddad chance to hear from the union who talked about social mobility and we know in our cities and it doesn't matter what kind of city or demographic the biggest issue is social mobility that we're giving all people opportunity from beyond

there is science behind what is happening i want to allow for the best ideas that should come into answering these questions. so we had a great presentation on the last meeting how those are happening but i want to allow for free to speak on the verge of being this institution report for benchmarking they are doing with things they're looking for from the standpoint the associate director for center of children and families at the brookings institution leading work with state and local government with literacy and education from all levels prior to her workout

brookings from george rushing to a university and she was begun a strategic framework from our generational above that a. >> i know time is sure is a libel be brief as the mayor mentioned in degeneration mobility is simply talking about how the you think the circumstances of a child's birth from their of their outcome. that is what the project is about whether it is about a parent's income or there is a code we will it to make that link less about that. we know that they spent -- respond better for better or worse but while everyone

supports opportunity we don't know how to measure that's been so we try to put together the official measure. i would be happy to get in touch with your staff but we know your chances of reaching the middle-class by bill a dash reaching 300% of the poverty line very greatly based on your background or race or gender. how do we get there those for reaching middle-class middle age? so we're looking at benchmarks that helped to predict whether or not the child will move to the middle-class.

we talked tear experts who come up with the series of predictive benchmarks to incorporate both academic standards as well us behavioral or social standards. we looked hatter of a childhood orbital childhood preschool better the strongest predictors of how you do is advise call for instance our benchmark cares whether or not you graduate without being convicted of a crime or have good grades. right now it is 48% to reach the benchmark. it varies greatly from city to city. if he reached the benchmarks you're likely to do well even though there is great variation from family in comes the good news is if

you manage to read these who have just as good a chance as people who are born to a better off families. . . where are you in terms of measuring opportunity in your city. can use this to institutionalize a framework of opportunity, a way of thinking about it that

holds people to account annually in terms of reporting on progress against these goals. third, i think that this remark is useful in evaluating policies and programs. an elite your policies and programs that have good evidence of effectiveness, but you also want policies and programs that are going to impact the indicators that will help opportunity in your city. finally, i just want to reinforce the notion that we heard today already which is that multiple interventions that multiple life stages will be the way to move the needle. there will not be one silver bullet that solves this problem once and for all. we have done some simulations with our model where we find that intervening once as we heard from various evaluations maybe a little bit disappointing , may have phase out a facts and not to all that we wanted to do, but intervening again and again go programs for building parenting skills go programs for high-quality

preschool as well as some school reform pro gram over and over again what we see is that is a cost of about 25,000 per student and you end up with $130,000 benefit and lifetime income. that's a little bit of a taste of what we're working gun. i am happy to work well with you in the future about this and how we can build it into your city. thank you so much. >> thanks. >> thank-you. >> i'm going to open up for questions. one thing to think about is next steps. we have multiple agencies providing different programs. we heard the secretary, how do we win we interface with the pro-government looking at these benchmarks, how do we best make sure that whatever resources are coming in are addressing the need fix. i'll stop there. >> chip called in from ben flintridge. our key question has been a

governor that basically over two years ago set out a mandate that there would be pre k education for all children in louisiana. we are not even at the 50% marc ratner. then you have the local school system that has its own jurisdiction. they set up their roles. and then the things if she was talking about, absolutely falling to the pattern. how do you may end the to to try to get out of the quagmire that we find ourselves in now? >> it's a great question. i can tell you from our standpoint to think from a player's standpoint my suggestion would be, as we all know, people looking to mayors and cities right now as engines for innovation. at the that is becoming more and more apparent.

the pro-government is noticing. certainly certain states representing that. within this committee we can begin, as we look at these benchmarks to maybe model some of these in our own cities in go to state and federal jurisdictions to say come here are the benchmarks show we want to set. here is so we're trying to get there. how can you help us get their verses up in the state helpless said this. we have an opportunity, i think, to set the frame, if that makes sense. >> you have three separate bodies. this city is not in charge of the school system. that's a good question. in some jurisdictions some are separate from the municipal side. all of us are in different pockets. we're going to have to be

creative about how we do that within their jurisdictions. i don't know if someone wants to jump in, but that is worthy of further discussion within the committee. >> i think he could do the same thing. exactly what he's talking about. is the same scenario. i think you can use your bully pulpit to really push innovation even on the education front. and so we have to think outside the box to figure out how we can use our positions izmir's to really drive this innovation. so even when we don't control the entities, i don't think you do either. pittsburgh. the only one in pennsylvania is philadelphia that has some input into the school district. yes. xbox there definitely linked together. they're not in seeking will obviously have a detrimental impact on both of our communities. but i think we can drive the

elevation by their presence of a bully pulpit as mayors. >> i would also add, of the sciences showing that the question is, what goes on before that child enters the door of the school? what is going on in the family's some of that household? pill is that family appeared managing their children, finances college of scenario? a lot of the background in research is showing, that is where we have not focused in been created with all of the services -- social services we're spending. of the education system may be separate, a city can really focus on that aspect. wanted to add that. in addition to working with the school department says. >> you may want to take business in your community, how they chime in. 3k is a huge challenge, the lack of it in so many places for employers. incredibly disruptive to

families who are working into don't have an opportunity says and thomas long run. think i see that with my colleagues. many people fall of of the job market live in the would have. the enormous value of the child, but also in terms of working families. >> if you ever question six. >> we have to do something. different athletics says we give you free tutoring. first providing for the kids in need academic help as their matriculating school. you can educate, be involved and influence that even if you're not. >> i just chime in and say that the idea that education is not only in schools is really important. the research we and others are doing is showing a preschool,

while important, is almost too late in many cases. we need to be talking about the most important teachers and kids have which is parenting and the most important part, early on setting children up in a way that maybe easier to access. >> i just wondered why you were talking about. what we did in el 110 is we have community schools. one of the things we did was push some of the private sector to bargain with individual schools that they adopted and they're actually funding support mechanisms within those specific urban schools to really push the innovation ifs. you don't control the system the you can do a lot to influence. >> that is now and what is happening. you have a government that refuses after mandating that every child gets a preschool education that has never funded

preschool. you are now about to depend upon headstart and headstart has a preschool component and a regular component. they have a waiting list that is unbelievable. so there is no bully pulpit here because the school board would tell you to go to hell if you tried to intervene in what they deem as their business. the education piece, you know, again, go back to the point you made. what is happening in the homes. and destroy to give you one example. young lady, 14 years old, comes home. turmoil works, a single mom. her boyfriend comes in the afternoon. vermont texas tenor. after dinner and she does some of the homework in goes to sleep after the mom goes to sleep this jackass then goes into the room

of the daughter and has sex with the daughter. she gets up the next morning to tell our mom, this is what is happening. we have something wrong in our household. and then the mob virtually calls are a liar. with grocer into a different system where in many cases these kids run away from low set in also skip school. a less partisan plea, the stats have also shown that if the child can read by the time he or she is four years old, more than likely they're going to be a subject of the criminal justice system. and i think everything really needs to be put on the table. this is a very comprehensive peace that we have to look at because we can see the violence occurring among youth and then even mothers pimping the daughters, sons, you know, having their sons go out and rob stores on their behalf.

and it's a whole slew of things toy gun up there. that is nudges this easy cookie cutter insert. >> and i appreciate that. i'm going to have to representative. i appreciate your comments. we have to be creative about is just that question. what is happening in that home, with that parent, with the child says. where in hell are we setting those households up for success? that is what this report speaks to. there are some great programs and ideas out there that they're happening now. i will make sure we have access to those. that's great. i'm going to unfortunately because we have been so ambitious, we tried to fit a lot of things in. we will have to wrap up.

what i'm going to do is make sure that the various presentations, if we can, in some way are circulated around the to the committee members and contacts for those so that you will have the. you can follow up independently. we also will be in communication with you in regard to this cd bg advocacy program. we will use the web. you'll be doing it in the spring. you will need your help in making sure that congress and this is it your voice on that for the next budget. in particular using the bully pulpit of the 40 year anniversary of cdc. it will be asking there. thank you for your participation this afternoon and we look forward to working with you. >> coming debt clock back

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trail envisaging book festivals, history events, education conferences, and schools. live for us on the road and online and our website. you can also follow the sun twitter six. university students who get there chance to visit the bus enjoined as morning's is a hit the road for the big 12 conference tour.square." >> joining us now, bill kristol. >> good to be here. >> we talked to you in light of the rnc having its winter us now, thank you for joining us. what should be the topic going forward? guest: winning the senate and

winning the presidency. political parties, i hope the debate some ideas, but basically the party itself as a vehicle for elections., but the ideas can be developed in congress by some governors. >> what do you do about the party itself and the ideas he talked about? >> one important thing is the candidates. .eople can talk about democracy people are voting for x and y. republicans have a lot of attractive candidates this year. some of them are unopposed in primaries. it will be the recumbent democrat. others are roman -- running with two or three candidates. young people, women, that, a bushe different from the and mccain and romney. i voted for the mall, but i think we will see one of the big is that began to happen and will

really now happen in 2014 is a generational change in the republican party. >> expand on that. nebraska will stay a republican seat. -- senator, cap members cabinet members, very intelligent and conservative. osborne, who served in the military, state treasury, i think he is 39. whichever one wins, we will have a 40-year-old verylican senator interested in ideas and an expert on health care and how to replace obamacare. some of these other states, they are attractive young candidates. running in a swing district in and decided not to

run. likely to the republican. i think she is 29. she will be 30 by election day, so she will be illegal. 30 is the senate. the house is younger, 25. in any case, she could be there. i really think they are interesting republican candidates running. races,ome of these philosophies come out. look at the senate rate -- race. james interested in the position and already getting some heat. what does it say about the internal politics amongst conservatives and republicans? >> a lot of fighting and it will occasionally result in -- sometimes the candidate does not do well when he is really on the general election stage. i would preferred to have competitive primaries with two

or three. and energy inh the party. in the old days -- this is still them, theyt a lot of hate the idea of the primary. let's clear the field. a lot of primary fights produce very good candidates and good senators and governors. marco rubio upset in the primary in of florida. energy of people coming into the races and thinking they have a chance. a certain amount of wailing and crying and whining, i have the opposite point of view. you lose once or twice, you have like, >>you do not

crystal joining us to talk about politics. you can ask him questions. democrats -- during the course of the morning, we will hear from students asking some questions. they are from texas christian university asking about issues. we will meet them as the morning goes on. those callsll take in just a moment, the e-mails in twitter as well. a quick headline as we go to calls. in the washington times this morning, it deals on larger issues with governor christie and governor mcdonnell. headline says in a few short

years, mighty republicans have fallen, specifically about chris christie. according to mr. mcdonald in virginia, in terms of the presidential bid, he said mr. christie may have some life in him. on what you have seen play out especially on large scale politics. ofpolitics is a zigzag kind business. it is a big mistake to project the future from last year. andle's reputations statuses rise and fall quickly. heginia, i voted for him and was a good governor. a terrible story. it is not just a story. a federal indictment. a good reminder all these people confidently saying here early 2014 what the political sit should -- situation will be, i

have my hunch, but it is a mistake. things can change so quickly. knows. we will have to see what happens. the main thing with scandals is that facts matter. if you are indicted, that is one thing. is nothingt there really done that was illegal and it is not clear he really knew about it, that is something that may be a serious problem but maybe not so serious. 20 years ago, the chief of staff, i remember meetings where a senior bush administration -- one day he was not didn't -- i, he

guy,ber cuomo is a serious governor of new york and an eloquent speaker, and now we have the governor of arkansas with personal issues and possible scandals and so forth i remember being everyone -- everyone being relieved with clinton. he eat us handily and got himself elected and survived impeachment. sometimes these are damaging. the main thing about chris christie, from a national point of view is, the new york republican donor class, the givers to the party and the candidates, they thought chris christie was the front runner. i remember saying to people, he is a front rubber -- runner. is he necessarily going to be scott walker or mike huckabee or

rick perry ordered jeb bush or ted cruz? i could go on and on. caucus or new hampshire primary. i do not think that is obvious. he has been a good governor for four years. a lot of people will run and make their case. the media was wants to find a front runner and anoint him. republicans isor they have a lot of interesting candidates. some of them will outperform. turned out to be an awfully eloquent, impressive guy. there is an awful lot that will happen. it is good to have this kind of debate, a real chance for these guys to get out and prove themselves. and to have guys scrutinize

them. that, students from the texas christian university join us. to ask questions. use either group to ensure there. guest.st student is our good morning, go right ahead. >> good morning. was a time of self reflection for both parties, for the democrats. obamacare, whereas republicans took much of the blame during the government shutdown. there is obamacare inspired by employees that will help candidates. will that be enough to ensure the public is safe in the republican party? >> a good question. two ory visit their

three years ago, good panel discussion. i listened to students mostly in the class. have a horn frog on my desk, a mascot. people say, what is that thing? anyway, a party needs to restore his own reputation and that is ultimately done by having a real government agenda. in a mostly done presidential campaign. for all the unhappiness in the senate and the house, there are a lot of republican governors governing successfully. brand, not is because people think. obamacare is not going anywhere in my opinion. storiedit is a

i think thatea will help republicans quite a bit. say,ther thing i will there are a couple of chances for republicans to mess things up over the next several months. one would be with the debt ceiling, coming up in march. it provides an opportunity for republicans to shoot themselves in the foot. they are working hard not to do that. immigration is another thing that would split the republican party. my proposal for the house republican leadership, tea party types, the tea party types let the debt ceiling go through. would love to delay medicine obamacare and get rid of the bailouts, but it is probably not worth having fights on the debt ceiling and endangering the national debt. people should give up on the , the establishment

types, you give up on trying to ram an immigration bill through this year or next year, republicans will probably have the senate. no default. i think of those two traps can be avoided, the republicans will have a good year. >> here is mike with california independent line. >> good morning, gentlemen. theuestion has to do with global war on terror. it strikes me it is ill- conceived, that we have had more than a decade of fighting. hundreds of thousands of deaths. trillions of dollars have been spent. despite having the greatest military in the history of the a gang ofare fighting psychopaths. the war is not abating. it is expanding. it strikes me the reason for that is that it is poorly conceived. and havingconferring

a war on criminals, which is what al qaeda is, we have inadvertently conferred on them a title of warrior. i do not agree. there have been mistakes made, but they are not just criminals. they have an ideology. it is one reason they are able to up he'll to people. fighto means we need to for the fight against them. we cannot let them take over chance of countries. we are in pretty good shape in the war against al qaeda and islamic radicalism and extremism. some,istan they let slide but president obama ordered a search there, which also worked. the biggest set of

mistakes president obama made was announcing afghanistan at the same time he announced the surge. mightw it looks like he not even do so in afghanistan. is a sort of, we are pulling back. that message is dangerous. it does hardens those who want to stand with us and emboldens those who hate us and those who are on the fence and want to be opportunistic are more inclined to go the other way. i am worried about a resurgence of al qaeda. it is patently false -- president obama's claim that they are on the run. i wish they were. he said in an interview this week the junior varsity -- the jv where is the uniforms, they are still the jv. the fact that al qaeda is

recruiting new generations of terrorists is not something to be complacent about. if they are just jv, they seem to have half of russia on lockdown. a very credible threat against the u.s. embassy. is a little too much cockiness there on the part of the obama administration that they are on the run. i am worried the whole country is to complacent. talk.e cavalier we probably do not need to be listening to all of the stuff. just collecting the metadata. all these phone calls and messages, i am not so sure about that. one reason we have had -- we have had -- we've been safe is that we have had a pretty good handle on where these guys are in their networks and who they're talking to. we are starting to lose the ability to connect the dots. back to before 9/11, i think. >> samantha is oe