hezbollah and the confrontation with saudi arabia. we are not even talking to them about these issues. if you were you would at least have a chance. i'm not saying we would necessarily succeed that i think there were lots of voices from the region and elsewhere early on saying iran can deal but you need to come to them with a proposition. and we haven't been able to do that. >> i think it's a sad situation because in fact my view might be a little bit different on the iranian nuclear deal. i think it's a good thing and i supported the democratic struggle in iran which was the subject of the book that nader and i did previously. democratic activists in iran, dissidents support encroachment between iran and the u.s. for the interesting reasons we talked about but on that deal, that process it might actually be working against the

possibility of progress in syria. in other words can from the human rights watch makes his argument. a cousin of this fragile brief window where it could get a deal with iran it's very cautious and very reluctant to push iran on these other issues like syria. this is not the moment for that so the tragedy to me is that these are two good things. it would be very good to get iran to push syria in the direction of allowing the aid caravans and for example. it's also very good to strike as nuclear deal with iran that these two good things are actually working against one another. they are at odds with one another and that's tragic. >> do you have any last comments before we close? >> i grieve for standing on that last point. thank you both for coming and for those people that thought that syria doesn't matter and the world as a matter for the united states i'm here to tell you that it actually does. we can take this conflict much

more serious and we need to have a serious debate about syria. syria is affected not only the middle east but now it's affecting the world and i'm hoping this will be the start of a much longer serious national conversation on what could be done and should be done to stop the killing in syria. >> nader and danny's book is out for sale out there. the compendium of middle east experts writing on syrian conundrum. it's very interesting and also looking through the arguments. ladies and gentlemen please help me in thanking our panelists. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] >> we are in the salem public library which is in the salem civic center, essentially the complex. the ben maxwell collection is our primary collection that was donated to the library, so we have copyright of this collection. ben was a journalist and i guess he would call him an amateur historian who, he was born and raised in salem and he had a

particular interest in history probably to some degree because he comes from a family of old people who talked about old times so he found that irresistible. then he got this job with the local paper and became a journalist for that and ended up with a weekly column and much of what he did, he always photographed and he would carry his camera with him wherever he went on to whatever mention -- mission it happened to be. he wrote this weekly column for 20 or 30 years or something like that and i'm asked this humongous collection that we now have. >> one f. ben's interests were covered bridges so this is a book that shows all kinds of covered bridges mostly taken in the late 30s and of course

unfortunately a lot of this bridges aren't around today but we have a great photographic history. ben was interested in buildings as well as covered bridges and even transportation and this is a photograph of the marion county courthouse which unfortunately was demolished in the mid-50s. and at one time there were a lot of riverboats here in salem and this i believe is one of the last steamers that came down from oregon city. ben wrote over at period of 26 years, about 30800 articles about local history and we are lucky to have scrapped looks that he put together himself with many of his articles. most of the articles were from the capital journal which was a salem paper but he also was published in other papers. his photographs were actually

published nationally and in fact some of them were in better homes and gardens sunset magazine and even in "the new york times." this is a really interesting article and it talks about salem's congregational church. the most interesting part for me anyway is a the little bit of information about a pastor named obed dickenson. he was a distant cousin of emily dickinson and what makes him unique was as he came in the 1850s and founded the congregational church in salem had happened to be the first church in this area that was a mixed race congregation. i'm not sure if everyone knows that one flew over the cuckoo's nest was actually filmed in salem but it was found that our state hospital and here is a photograph and an article. it was in 1958 talking a little

bit about the diamond jubilee for the state hospital. ben put together books of photographs and he put them together by county. these are some examples of books from marion county and photographs of st. paul's catholic church and photographs of old pioneer homes and some early photographs of the shema what indian school that is located just to the north of salem. we are really fortunate to have the collection of ben maxwell. currently it's called the q. laurel collection and hugh was a library tractor from 1939 to 1972 and a personal friend of ben maxwell. i think what makes ben maxwell's work so unique is that not only technically was he a journalist and a photographer but his work as a historian brings a lot of

the history alive not only in the contemporary things he saw and experienced but his ability to jot together a lot of things that were still around in salem and bring them to us in a way that we can understand how life was. >> you honeywood winery started in december 1933 the day after prohibition ended. we are number 26 so that means 25 signed up before us. we are the only ones in business today. oregon has a rich history actually for the wine industry but like i said we are oregon's oldest producing winery from the 30s but the wine industry took off for wines like --

in the 70s so we produced fruit in specially wines from the 30s, 40s and 60's. that is when oregon was rich with fruit orchards and berries and not so much vineyards in grapes and there was a great boom they call it i guess when vineyards were planted and grapes were grown and harvested and it's been growing leaps and bounds ever since. i think the struggle that a lot of wineries had early on was the fact that the regulation was coming in more strong so legal regulation and production and taxes and all those things, that i think it weakens its own but also for the 30s, 40s and part of the 50s they weren't allowed to have tasting room so customers cut in -- couldn't come in and try it. the secretary of honeywood at the time then bought it and she

actually went to lobby for tasting rooms. so we hold one of the first tasting rooms because of her. she was a pioneer and i think that opened it up and made it a lot easier because if you can't try it it makes it hard to make a decision. i have read a lot about how it's definitely a big part of the economy and not just agricultural part but there's a lot of wineries that do weddings and restaurants so it kind of reaches out further than just production of wine. it really touches i think everybody in some way but definitely agriculturally it has grown so much and it's a large part of the oregon economy. i think the oregon wine industry is unique in the fact that there is a lot of small wineries so you get that more personal feel. you can move onto a tasting room