and the thing is a classic example of how it is right now. and we have to make that appointment for you. the next stage of this is a lot like the internet itself. and so your car communicates your thermostat because it connected to the smart power grid and shifts to where you like it. but the problem is that we are already seeing rest woven into

this. we have already seen where your car is filled with hundreds of computers and causes computers to do things other than what the driver wants to do. and if we are truly looking at this, this is where we move from thinking about this just in and a lot of stuff has been called cyberwarfare. disruptions and the like but also new targets with giving them a much greater impact. so now you are able to design a weapon that is not just to steal information and cause it to do something physically different. sole cause the nuclear research center figures to also spin out

of control and even damage themselves and etc. so now we are talking about this on the civilian side and this is where it connects because when you don't have humans inside this, remotely operating in and whatnot, you lose from destruction and destroy enemy tanks with persuasion if you can get access with a cyberattack without gaining access and he can cause that to do something other than what its owner wants her to bear. and this is something that we have never seen before in war. we have never been able to take

the early mid flight and make a going a different direction were to fly back and you can't get into a the brain of tom cruise and they we have all of us in america and vice versa. the point is what can we do about it and there's something that we can do in terms of individual consumers and what those devices are allowed for access and whatnot. but it also connects back to the responsibility of manufacturers and governors. the one of the things that we have to do here it is make security much more intuitive and much more user in human family and also understand examples

like a big difference in the example of states and driver licenses and organ donors. is it an opt in or opt out we have these security requirements and the government will start to require that, bases where we are stuck right now with the government doing a great optional standards and that is different than enforcement. and if you don't, this is what you'll pay [inaudible]

>> what john mentioned, we need to think about individual institutions and technology and the techniques. i want to ask you a question about considering the life of the internet that has a historical phenomenon. we talked about this but this is a state completely different and it now has this conventional wisdom that has come full circle. so my question is do you think the experiment is a triumph when it isn't something that has liberated us, or is it a tragedy and something that we have great hopes for snack that's a great question and we have talked

about this on several levels. so he famously wrote declaration of this for the internet. the old world governance and we have a great deal of space. so he was both right and wrong. and on one hand this is an incredibly talented governance because of seemingly has no borders and it is a state that empowers a wide range of actors collective with people that want to share cute cat videos and those that want to engage in cyberattacks to punish those that violate internet freedom and they want to do it anonymously. and we've seen it with those

giving them ways to reach out and manner so they couldn't before. so we could go on and on. it is empowered us in way a way that the traditional sovereign would be impossible with. except when they talk about government housing having no role or interest here. or is it is definitely have an interest area and governments are responsible to the needs of their citizens and we are in such a cyberworld that they have to care about what is going on and how it impacts us. and the governments own operations depend on it. see the city you have no role accept we depend on it for 90% of your communications. the second is the governments have no power here in the story of the activist groups shows

them able to do things in a way that was never up for possible, also showing that the government could still go after them with a good illustration of this one on one hand it brings transparency to various episodes but the government didn't want to happen and on the other hand the founders are stuck and then if you leave you will be prosecuted. so there is a back and forth to this the same as a where talking about the threat. they can carry out some form of a cyberattack that the states are still the big dogs. this event is the first part. the second is is this openly a triumph or a tragedy. and i just think it's a revolutionary technology. and the reality throughout history is that it's a revolutionary game changer that

is different before and after, so much so that the people were not for whatever hard time imagining the world after. every single time there has been one of those technologies going on and has been used for both good and bad. the first tool, some human at some point picked up a stone. they use it to build or to bash someone in the head or not were probably the best parallel to the internet would be the printing press on one hand. it led to literacy, democracy, sports illustrated swimsuit model edition. and at the same time it led to the reformation. if you're protestant coming into great thing, but the pope, not so much. if you look at the casualties among approximately one third of europe is killed in the wars that follow.

so the internet has been, again, one of the most if not the most important tool for political and economic and social change in the world. at that change has enabled a lot of good in a and a lot of bad things that i don't know if we will be able to put it here try and model and i think it's created more positive than. but i acknowledge that there's stuff that's been inside of it in my argument would be as with every single game changing technology. and the reason is the humans behind it are filled with both good and bad intent and reorganizing good and bad ways and etc. >> way over there? [inaudible question] [inaudible question]

>> following on from the other question, several years ago there was talk about books about the internet. ..

the third category except i said that in terms of receiving these before but was so the key of the revolutionary technology is there are ways that are different. maybe better express by mark twain, who reportedly said history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. i feel like that here. the challenge in maybe what motivates me is what will determine the kind of first two categories is it going to be much better or no, it's going to be much worse. the first category seems like optimist or pessimist. for me, it's