i recognize this in the united states and much of europe there is more than enough to worry about with the affairs of our own countries. there will always be voices that say what happens is not our concern. . .

i am pleased to welcome fbi director james comey in his first appearance before the committee and let me also please thank the men and women of the fbi for the great job they have done. they are really doing an incredible job and on behalf of the american people and congress i just want to thank and if you would give my best to former director mueller. he really did -- i met with him when he first came in and i watch and he really did an incredible job so please pass on my regards to him. i would appreciate it.

let me add that immediately following the director's testimony the committee will hear from the three commissioners leading the congressionally directed review of the fbi's implementation of the 9/11 commission recommendations. director comey is the seventh director, a good man, good choice to lead the pirro following a distinguished government career. his assistant u.s. attorney in the gambino crime family and the terrorists responsible for the 1996 cohort -- khobar tower bombings. he became u.s. attorney for the district of new york and then served as deputy u.s. attorney general during the challenging early years of the war on terrorism gaining experience critically relevant in his job and he will do what's right no matter what people tell them to do. in the private sector director, he served as senior vice president and general counsel of lockheed-martin general counsel

of bridgewater associates and on the faculty at columbia law school where he was a fellow in the national security law. director we want to hear about your 2015 budget request and in particular how will support rebuilding and retooling the fbi's recovering of the sequestration and a long hiring freeze. you have inherited a proud an extended organization with the national security mission in charge to defend the nation from terrorist attacks and the fbi needs a sophisticated global presence. we want to hear about how the fbi is leading efforts to protect the international terrorism whether from overseas or from efforts operating on our shores and to pursue domestic terrorists including those who are becoming radicalized or inciting criminal terrorist activities. the fbi must operate in the aftermath of the snowden leaks, which may require new approaches and new resources, different

operational models and in general may demand creativity and new resources to a more constrained approach than some of your traditional security missions. in addition to dealing with the security missions your ever-growing workload associated with fraud cases growing intellectual property crime and continued priorities with filing game gangs which seem to be increasing in major crime organizations. the growing problem of cyberthreats either from a criminal or national security perspective requires the fbi to exercise leadership in the field and demands a sophisticated and proficient workforce. i'm looking forward to hearing how the fbi is juggling all of these critical efforts while keeping a streamlined as management efficiency will permit and to be ready for the next generation of challenges to national homeland security and to sustain its role as the premier federal investigative lead agency. after giving your statement we

will will open to hearing up remembers questions but first we would like to recognize mr. fata for any questions -- comments you would like to make. >> thank you mr. chairman. thank you director and welcome to the committee and congratulations for an extraordinary career to date and we wish you well. we are at a point in which you have made public comments about the sequestration process the congress went through and we have calmed somewhat to a better result from that process. i know attorney general holder thanks chairman will send myself and the agencywide video but more importantly than a pat on the back the issue really is we want to make sure that we are funding the needed priorities and you say the fbi is now a threat driven intelligence focused agency and the country

faces a great deal of threats. you kind of stand in the breach so we want to make sure you have the resources that you need now that the hiring freeze has been lifted. we are interested today in the appropriations request and there is a mention in there about some unspecified reductions of well over $160 million. i will be interested in how you see that because as the chairman mentioned you are in sync on the way we view these threats and obviously terrorism is importann this human trafficking and sex trafficking issue and intellectual property which really steals american jobs and steals her intellectual property. there are a lot of issues and we want to make sure the one issue that we are not focused on his money. our job is to appropriate the

money so we need to hear from you today about what it is that you see that you need so that we can find a way to provide it. so thank you and welcome to the committee. >> thank you mr. fattah. section 191 of title ii of the united states code in clause two atom two of house row 11 today's witnesses as we have for every witness will be sworn in before testimony. please rise and raise your right hand. do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give opie the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? >> i do. >> let the record reflects the width is reflect the width is hinged in the affirmative and director, you may proceed and you can summarize your marks and perceived as you see appropriate. >> thank you mr. chairman and mr. fattah members of the committee. sonata to be here are my first time representing the great people of the fbi. i have an amazing job because they represent an amazing

workforce. i've spent the last seven months traveling around the country and the world to meet my folks and to hear their concerns and to learn about their work and i have learned that they are indeed a remarkable group of people. when i started as mr. fattah alluded to it discovered a workforce that was extremely stressed by the impact of the sequestration reductions on them one a colleague left a position wasn't filled and we were facing gas rationing money and deciding who needed to triaged things that shouldn't have been triaged. the fbi is in a different place today. we are in the process of turning back on our training facility at quantico and my goal is to hire about 1000 people between now and october 1, hundreds of special agents, hundreds of special intelligence agents to begin to fill the gaps created by the impact of sequestration

we are confronting those critical operations. we are investing in training. we are investing in technology and people are no longer having to make choices about how far they can drive to conduct an essential interviewer surveillance. i thank you so much for that on behalf of men and women of the f. vi. we are hiring those people because we need those people. what is on our plate is enormous and challenging and most importantly counterterrorism. it remains our number one priority. in eight years in government i discovered as i came back that the threat from terrorism had metastasized in ways that i had not understood until i took this job. what i mean by a metastasis is we have had great success against corelle qaeda in who are the primary tumor in his challenge challenge and reduced it thanks in large part to the work of the men and women in uniform intelligence services but at the same time the poorly governed or lightly governed spaces around the world have allowed the growth of a metastasizing tumor in places

like the arabian peninsula and around north africa and places around the mediterranean so we face a threat that is weaker in the corvette disparate and fairland in a lot of different places. we also face a new threat that was not on the front of my screen when i was deputy attorney general eight years ago and that is the people we called homegrown violent extremists. i don't like the term loan with because it conveys a dignity that these characters don't deserve. these are the people who thanks to the ready availability of information on the internet can be inspired even if not directed by al qaeda. they can be in their basement. they need to engage in some jihad to kill americans and they merged in the basement with little time for us to find him and to stop them. counterterrorism and those many different ways remains our number one priority for reasons that make good sense to me. second counterintelligence remains a top priority in the

fbi as the enemies of this country are every bit as aggressive at trying to steal our secrets as they were when i last left government and that many more ways to do it again thanks to the proliferation of the internet and the vulnerabilities we face in cyberspace. and i mentioned cyber. it touches everything that i do. everything be fbi is responsible for and for reasons that make sense to me. we as a country and as individuals have connected our entire lives to the internet. it's where secrets are. it's where if a structure is. it's where children play. it's where money is and where health care is so that where bad people come for children, for a money, for private information, for a stay secrets in key infrastructure. it cuts across everything i'm responsible for so one of the fbi's mission is to make sure our workforce make sure workforces train deployed and equipped to respond to that threat which touches our counterterrorism or counterintelligence and all of our criminal responsibilities.

with respect to criminal there's no doubt terrific news over the last decade that crime is dropping in the united states but there remains far too much abuse of children, human trafficking and dominating neighborhoods, far too much in the way of fraudsters and tricksters stealing money of all sorts, far too much public corruption remains throughout her country so these things are still on the fbi's plate and we still wake up every more in worrying about them and trying to make a difference in these areas. a couple of things i mentioned before closing we still have a think important responsibility to our brothers and sisters in law enforcement around the country and around the world and our allied nations to offer the training which we do now thanks to the funding that you have given us and to offer them our world-class laboratory and technical support to help them get the job done. i mentioned our partners around the world a couple of different times. the other thing i'm struck by coming back to government is the

internationalization of the challenge we face. there's almost nothing the fbi does that doesn't have some international component to it whether someone trying to traffic human beings, to exploit children to steal secrets to attack our nation. it all requires effective response outside the united states which is why i'm so proud of the offices my predecessors the great bob mueller and my friend louis freeh built over the last 20 years in 60 different countries and that's something i'm looking forward to increase to make sure is effective in meeting the challenges we face at home where they started many assesses reaches overseas. we have a full plate and i'm extraordinarily grateful and i'm here to thank you on behalf of the people of the fbi for the sport you have given us. my goal is to obtain the resources for 15 that allow us to continue that progress to refill the thousands of positions that were emptied and to give my folks the ability to accomplish the job that they are out there every day accomplishing. thank you very much and i look

forward to our conversation. >> thank you mr. director. how many spots were not filled? you said you would during 1000 on by october 1, so what could the -- did the country lose during this. amount of time? >> i think we lost over 2000 positions. i think 2300. it may have the number off by a little bit but not by much so we were over 2000 positions down close to 2.5000. >> thank you at this 1000 you are still going to be down? >> we are going to be down another 1000 or more of which is why i said i hope for the next year to be able to continue the momentum to a higher. mr. chairman as you know better than anyone the fbi is the people. getting great people and to fill those slots is what i hope to do this year and next year. >> years ago everyone was applying. is the interest so high and is

there a quality of applicants very high? >> very high. great young people of all sorts. they don't have to be young, great people of all sorts want to be part of the mission that this great source is dedicated to achieving. >> i wanted to be a fbi agent but i live next to a fbi agent. he said he can't put it on per sticker on your car. i had a bumper sticker on the back of my car so i took a different approach. in your february speech at the cyberconference you underscored the seriousness of cyberthreats from state-sponsored hackers and hackers for hire organize cybersyndicated -- and the director of national intelligence i think director mueller said the same thing too has placed it above the global threats of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. was resources will be fbi devote

to this and what rough percentage of a billion-dollar budget in 35,000 employees are applied? >> mr. chairman as you said this is something my predecessor bob mueller predicted would come to dominate my term of tenure the way terrorism had his and i can see already after half a year or so that is going to be true. because it touches everything i'm responsible for you kid fairly say everybody in the fbi has to be educated in cyber to be effective. i have a cyber division made up of hundreds of people that focuses on this everyday. i have cybermax squats in our field offices cyber-- cyber task offices but there are hundreds of people designated as cyber folks and agents but i don't want to miss the fact that everybody needs to be because this layer cake from organize

state actors and terrorists on the top down to the individual fraudsters touches everything i'm responsible for so cyber is everything. >> what is the solution then? is there something the committee could do? is there a new structure that we need? is there anything unique that people know that we have to do? is there anything special or any ideas that you have do we could do better from a committee point of view? >> yes mr. chairman. two things. one you have already done which is to support it so i can hire that talent, those people who are digitally literate too who can help me address this attack, these attacks but the second thing is we need clear rules and lanes on the road to explain to the private sector how to cooperate with the government. that is the key to this. the internet is almost entirely in private hands so without the

ability to cooperate effectively with private companies and private individuals i am left almost like patrolling the streets with 40-foot high solid walls on either side. i can say that the street looks safe but if i can't speak to the folks in the neighborhoods i can't help them make the neighborhood safer. we have to find a way to effectively and efficiently have private players for companies to be able to tell us what's happening on our systems and for us to be a look tell them what we see and do it at machines speed in a way that addresses the concerns of the private sector. i was general counsel for two different companies and private companies won't understand if we cooperate with the government are their liability or private issues? what are the rules so we could really use guidance from congress for the private sector on how to work better. >> industry leaders such as the ceo of visa have adopted the adoption of my cursive -- the microchip embedded magnetic

magnetic -- they expect this technology will provide a deterrent and result in a more consistent real-time reporting of crime to law enforcement. what is the fbi doing to address the security gaps in the credit card crime so easy to commit yet difficult to prosecute? >> i don't know enough mr. chairman about that particular technology to comment. from your brief description it sounds like a smart thing to do. we work very closely as does as our partners in the secret service with private enterprise and specially the credit card companies are trying come up with better ways especially to share information when we see attacks coming from the outside so they can tell us about the bad things they are seeing and how to respond. >> but do we need a cybermax ahmed? you have universities and contracts and i won't mention university, a different

university? is darpa working with you? sometimes you can get so involved and is so overwhelming that it's hard to step aside and see if there's some research being done and doing need to bring the top minds together in cyber and do we need darpa to do something? do we need to have m.i.t., x. y. or some of the last? are you working with any of them to see if there something newer differently could be doing? >> mr. chairman there is a lot going on by a lot of different people on the cyber threat and how we might evolve technology to deal with it. a lot of people smarter than i am by no were working on it and talking to my smart folks. on the law enforcement intelligence side the most important thing we have done in the last couple of years was to set up the national investigative cybertask force the ncijtf to bring together everybody who cares about these issues on the government side to make sure we all coordinating

with each other well. in absence of that we end up with what looks like a 4-year-old soccer game. everybody chasing the ball in a clump. a bunch of children as i know you do sir and if you watch that soccer game is very inefficient. we have evolved a place where we are spreading out on the field in passing to each other and deciding who can take the best shot. that's a great thing. the missing piece is an inability to cooperate effectively at machines speed with the private sector who sees things we don't see or are worried about things they may not feel this tell us about because of their concerns about who should they share with and them what are their liability exposures. that's why it's important to get the clear description of the rules of the war -- road to cooperate with the government. >> i understand but do we need to bring in iran and m.i.t. and darpa to see? sometimes you can get so bogged down doing what you are doing

that there may be somebody out there or do you have the ability to go to m.i.t. or darpa or rand to say here is what we are thinking? is there some formal structure that brings in the best minds on a constant basis not investigating cases but like a resource? like darpa for the dod? do we have something like that in this area? >> i guess i can't say specifically as i said here. there's always a good idea to have smart people poking you in looking at you from a different vantage point. i know my folks with cyber communicate but i will have to get back to you. more is always good. people see things that we may not be able to see. >> maybe few can maybe the committee could do something to put together and i know director muellner brought in people from outside, some of the best minds

and again when i mention the company of india they do also with regard to china and different groups and maybe a select handful to see what you are saying and here you can explain what the problem is. as you were enforcing in prosecuting in tracking down, if we can maybe get your cyber people to come to the committee. we can sit down. i'm going to then go to mr. fattah but let me cover one or two. and they asked f. y. 14 omnibus appropriations we sustained fbi funding to include safe streets and task forces but also to maintain funding for the gang intelligence center novelist and a president's proposal to terminate. one i saw that they wanted to terminate it could not understand.

it's important in tracking and developing intelligence by gangs and operations. what is the latest fbi assessment of the gang threat in the u.s. and what fbi resources for gangs and criminal activities are included in the fy14? you

we have 100 different task force is focused on just that, addressing these gangs that are dominating neighborhoods. as you said mr. chairman we focus on the international gangs especially those straddling the

mexican-american border so there are a lot of resources we look to in hundreds of agencies already. i will have to get the particular number in the proposal in the proposed budget for 2015 but this is something we are going to continue to try to make a contribution on. >> your material gangs are quote becoming more violent and establishing with drug trafficking organizations. they said all of the marijuana and cocaine has all been operated throughout the country. everywhere, northern virginia by gangs coming out of mexico. we also have human trafficking which i want to ask you a little bit about. do we need, do we need the same effort that the bureau did? you prosecuted the gambino family. do we need the same effort when the bureau one after louis freeh

before that an organized crime? do we need a major effort? not we have a major task force here we have this here and congress puts language and so he we set this up. do we need a major effort? i come from an inner-city neighborhood. a mom or dad that has kids in that neighborhood, that's like al qaeda to them the fact that they are free to send their kids to school. they are afraid of them is 13. they are afraid of the bloods. they are afraid of the crips. with your background you have the unique perspective. do we need a major effort almost like we do in the war on terror. this is terror but a person who lives in inner-city this is terror. do we need one person, to really deal with the gangs and coordinate them bring everything together just for the two, three or four years. what the bureau did on louis

freeh and others on organized crime they really broke the back and some of these places. do we need the same type of effort for gangs? >> is a great question. there is an enormous amount going on right now. i know you talk to chiefs and sheriffs and they will tell you they see it exactly that way and are devoting those resources to it that we could even get more prominence to the fbi is a good question. maybe is my answer. >> we you look at it and get back to us? we had a major problem of ms-13 in northern virginia. you have had the hacking off of hands and the machete and in the shenandoah valley were nothing but violence takes place. he now you're finding him is 13 gangs in the shenandoah valley so i believe when we talk to our local law enforcement there is a gang task force that your people

run based in prince william county at your place. we have fbi, dea that have basically broken the back in northern virginia. we had gangs in mclean and gangs in arlington. so i think personally it would be helpful to have basically someone particularly again with your background. you are unique and for such a time like this on the gang issue so that we'll have one person focusing solely on the gangs. if you look at it and get back to us. we don't want to go off on a tangent that you don't really think it's that great and with that i will save the rest and go to mr. fattah. >> mr. chairman thank you. because the ranking member from the full committee is here i want to yield to nita lowey at this time mr. chairman. >> thank you very much in welcome and thank you mr. chairman mr. ranking member.

we are trying to expedite the process so there are about three hearings at the same time. thank you for your consideration. as we all know as the chairman stressed stressed the fbi is in the midst of a sea change. for much of the 20 century the fbi was the world's best law enforcement agency. now with cyberattacks which we have been discussing becoming more frequent the local war on terrorism continues. the fbi is leading the charge in cybersecurity and counterterrorism. and i certainly wish you the best of luck and if the chairman and ranking member have made clear we really want to work with you because we know the challenge. we want to make sure that you have the tools, the resources and the staffing to ensure that the job is done. following up on this cyberissue cyber criminals including hackers for practicing to be finding vulnerabilities in

cybersecurity faster than we can protect against it. i can remember it very in depth briefing i had in new york city with ray kelly's team and it seems to me that every briefing and event happen and they were figuring out how to do it. the cybercriminals were way ahead and they were trying to catch up. they seem to be finding vulnerabilities in cybersecurity faster than we can protect against it. in terms of personnel how has the fbi prioritize the hiring of individuals for cybersecurity backgrounds and how does the fbi compete for the best and the brightest for the financial benefits of the air? >> it's a great question. thank you for that. a great question and one i worry about an awful lot as did all smaller.

director mueller started something called the next generation cyber a key part of which is too high or somewhere close to 100 computer scientists who are ph.d. level types, the big brains in the cyberworld and also to hire and train their bright people who are digitally laborer -- literate. you press an interesting challenge. i came from the private sector and i know the amount of money the private sector offers to these bright young people to help them with cyber protection so i see two answers to that. one is i offering mission and frankly moral content to the work that the private sector can't offer so my pitch to these bright young men and women is come here and make a difference. maybe you won't make much of a living but you will make a remarkable like for yourselves and the people you protect so that is my pitch to the young people of america and it resonates. as the chairman said i've got house and the people who want to work for the fbi because they

care about public service the way all of the stoop with the second piece is this. we are smarter in aggregate than the bad guys. it's just getting the aggregate right so there are brilliant people in the private sector. i worked with them at the companies i worked at. he and able to latch their brains to ours is the key to addressing this problem. i come back to information-sharing. they are worrying about zero day exploits. i am worrying about zero day exploits. we have got to deal to share information that machines speed so i can harness the great brains in the private sector and connect them into that aggregate that makes us smarter. >> i appreciate that answer and one other comment if you would like to respond is the salaries of federal employees have not kept up with inflation in recent years. do you worry that recurring pay freezes will make it more difficult for the fbi to recruit in the future? do you have a message you want

to deliver to us with regard to pay freezes? >> i hear about that from folks all of the country and they say mr. director we get it. we didn't join fbi for the money but we have spouses and partners and families all of whom are asking us what are we doing in a job where our pay is flat for years and we can speak about the moral content of the work a lot but it doesn't quite deliver the bacon. my people aren't in it for the money but they need money to live so they do care about the modest pay increases that they otherwise would have gotten. >> one other question. as you noted the internet can serve as a prudent tool for terrorists. this past december as we remember. lewin a 58-year-old avionics technician from wichita was arrested as he took steps to detonate explosives at the wichita mid-continental airport. luckily the fbi was on the case with the help of the undercover agents and were able to arrest

mr. lewin before he harmed the public. how does a middle-aged westerner with no history of ties to terrorism and of trying to detonate bombs and kill americans and what trends are you seeing in cases of homegrown terrorism? what tools can congress give you to monitor and prevent these kinds of plans from becoming reality? >> a great question and this touches on the homegrown violent extremist threat that i talked about earlier and it's part of the growing and changing threat i see as i start this job. i guess i don't want to talk about low in's case because he stooping prosecuted but generally there are troubled people looking for some source of meaning in their lives all over the world and we have them here in the united states and what is happening is these folks are finding the literature that al qaeda in the arabian

peninsula puts out or the raping corporate data and convincing themselves that this is a source of meaning in their life. if i go on at jihad and kill people i will be somebody so they are not erected. they are inspired so how do we do deal with that? in a lot of different ways but most of it is in devoting the people which i'm trying to do to watching those spaces. we catch a lot of them when we see in an on line forum someone asking hey how do you figure out how to blow up a car? when we see that we jump on it and try to respond that the other way is connecting to state and local law enforcement. one of the things i do and traveling to countries and speaking to sheriffs saying you are more likely to know about the trouble person and hear about them before i will and that is why we need to state closely connected and asking neighbors and friends if you see something or hear something that seems weird just tell us about it. it may be nothing but if we check it out we may stop the next person who wants to blow up a car bomb in an airport.

>> thank you very much. we appreciate your service and i look forward to continuing to work with you as partners. >> thank you very much. >> ms. lowey used to represent yonkers. i want to second what ms. lowey said and i think you should speak about the too. we cannot continue to freeze the pay of these people. we can't bring the bureau up and asked dr. commons to find a cure for prostate cancer and breast cancer pancreatic cancer and say we are going to freeze your salary though. when a wealthy guy in boca raton is using his cost of living adjustment for social security to buy fishing tackle or for his boat docket, i will say to the whole congress both sides we can't do this anymore. i have a large number of agencies. these guys are getting up at 4: 30, 5:00 in the morning at the agents living in the pocono

mountains in pennsylvania. we can't freeze it. i think it's important for you because you are not a political person in the sense that -- we just can't freeze this anymore. we can't freeze three years straight. we can't do it. pretty soon -- i have five kids. you are going to drive people out because they have to go so the congress ought not be freezing the federal salaries. they have given three years straight but i think for the head of the fbi to say we cannot afford that would be very helpful. from both sides sides of that i'll know more pay freezes. you are going to be drive these people out and literally if you want to help al qaeda drive the best people out of the bureau. if you want to stop cancer cures then drive the best people out of nih. you speaking about a think would

send a message. dr. harris. >> thank you very much and thank you for appearing before the committee today. i want to thank the fbi for doing the job. i asked mr. mueller about this last year with a mate's background system. i have to tell you it's one of the smoothest running parts of the federal government and it's a question what was the number of background checks conducted last year? i know it was increased over the year before. do you have any idea and have the figures? >> i don't but i could get it quickly. in my understanding it has come down. >> i just want to congratulate you because in maryland we have a horrendous problem with state police running a state background check you at a six-month backlog, six months and you guys can do it frequently in one minute. >> the government called me about the problem maryland is having and i think we were able to help them. >> if you help them it wasn't much help because they are just

clearing backgrounds now from october. it is one of the smoothest things the federal government does. the other thing i want to spend some time on is the ig report about the organized crime drug enforcement task force infusion center release this month. are you aware of the report? one of the most disturbing things because i think inspectors general have to be, their job is incredibly important and can never be interfered with by the agency they are investigating. one the most troubling parts of the report was their description of two fbi detail lease to the fusion center who spoke with, the ig interviewed and claimed retaliatory measures taken it gets them for speaking candidly to the igs which the ig said had aces. it wasn't just that they were claiming retaliation.

there was basis for claims of retaliation. i have to ask since one of the deputy directors at the time of the investigation was an fbi detail he. the director was not. the deputy director along with someone from the deputy directors obviously the fbi had someone high up in the oversight and management of this fusion center. have you determined whether that person was involved in the decision to retaliate against two people who frankly and honestly discuss problems within the inspector general? this is very worrisome to me. a retaliatory -- a claim of retaliate tape -- retaliation should worry every member of congress that depends upon the inspector generals to go into the departments and get an objective view so i just want to know did your deputy director at the time know about the retaliation or participate in the retaliation anyway?

that is the only people you are responsible for the detail lease. >> the answer is i don't know. but i will find out. i know the report. i read a summary of it and i remember the bit about tool for folks saying they read retaliated against which is worrisome but i don't know the rest of the story. >> i would ask you to get back to me as soon as possible specifically with the question of whether one of the people in your organization the deputy director, i'm going to assume the deputy director should know what's going on at least the equivalent level to the director. this is not a big operation as you know. it's not a huge operation and i find it hard to believe the retaliatory efforts could be taken against an individual without it tippy director knowing. i'm going to ask you two things. one is what disciplinary action are you going to take against that person in the third thing

is i'm going to ask you to comment because the report was a little but scathing the ig report because this fusion center is set up exactly along the lines you suggested. we have to share information share intelligence among agencies and international drug syndicates and the organized crime enforcement. are you worried that in fact this is the way the federal government is conducting business within a center that is supposed to have cooperation? it sounds like this was katzen dogfights going on. the fbi claim we are not as getting as much product as we are putting into it so we want everything detailed and the ig report is the allegation is true the fbi has shut out the data access to six weeks while this fight continue. did this really go on? were your detailees shut out for six weeks because they were claiming they weren't getting enough back and this is not a

personal retaliation but a retaliation at the agency? is that true? >> i don't know enough weather to say that's true or not. two parts that are worrisome. one is the most worrisome to me. when ig finds problems in operation that is concerning to me but that is what ig is supposed to do and that is what makes us better. the retaliation that concerns me a great debt. the ig makes us better and if people can't talk to them that's a disaster. i don't know sitting here but i will get back to on that. >> i'm going to ask you what knowledge the deputy director had about shutting off six weeks of access of fbi's detailees to the database of this fusion center. that's extremely worrisome to me. we send a lot of money into the agencies and it sounds like we put this group together and on paper sounds great but they just fight like cats and dogs.

six weeks fbi agents did not have access to the data that were shut out. i hope you can shed a little more light but again i want to thank you for the agency and the work it does in the men or women up at their lives on the line to do things that to be honest with you a lot of us are happy someone else is willing to do so thank you very much. i yield back. >> thank you sir. >> mr. harris the fusion center, i've been out there. the ig report was just out this morning. i agree with them. everything you said i completely absolutely agreed so let me know when they come back. thank you mr. chairman. >> mr. director i'm going to take a winding road here but ron noble is the head of interpol the law enforcement careerist from the united states, a friend he is doing a good job. you mentioned in your opening

statement that almost everything you do now has an international connection. i was in brussels a few years back when all the law enforcement your counterparts in the european union, they have arranged for circumstances where no matter which country going through an extradition process, just a seamless system they set up between some 28 nations. we don't have that in the united states. i was wondering as you see these in a national parallel are there ways and you don't have to answer now but have you thought about what we can do to improve our systems here? the real question underneath all of this is the chairman mentioned the target. the target is one of my favorite operations. they have done a billion dollars in library refurbishment. they have done them in every state but a number in philadelphia that i witnessed

doing great work in our schools and they were victims of a criminal attack around the holidays. the south said was from ukraine. we did not get the cooperation we needed from the government of ukraine. i know senator warner from virginia came out a couple of days ago and said if we are going to do and eight package this loan guarantee deal we should get some assurances from the new government that was we would get assistance on cybercriminal activities out of ukraine. so i'm interested in the cyberissue and how it relates internationally and whether there are ways in which as the congress is considering other other items like aid packages or loan guarantees for ukraine whether or not there are ways that we can improve upon your leverage and the level of

cooperation you get from other nations in the cyber activities? >> that's a great question mr. fattah. there is no doubt that we see a lot of the hacker activity, people building the botnets engage in these huge financial skimming and theft activities are based in russia and the former soviet bloc countries some of which we have great cooperation with and some less so. i can't think off the top of my head ways in which congress might assist me in obtaining leverage but i will think about that and get back to you. i'm always interested in creative ways to do that. one of the ways we have tried to do is embed our folks in those countries. we have a week in kiev and the purpose of those offices is to build relationships with the local law enforcement maybe get them to come to the united states. we run something called the national academy in quantico where we train people on how to do great law enforcement and send them back and by doing

those investments in people doling relationships where we will get cooperaticooperati on but i will give thought to other ways in which we might improve it. >> my next question in my last one for the series is related and doc are harassed raise this about the ig. i support the ig's work but i have some concerns at times when we create circumstances on which we less support from the public for public governmental activities because we point out problems. in today's news we have three secret service agents who had an incident overseas with drinking. much of the country focuses on that rather than the secret service who risk their lives and the president is willing to do everything necessary. they won't get much attention. i know there have been issues inside the bureau over the years

and i'm not asking you to go through that at this point but i'm interested in as you formulate your budget the appropriate shins requested very things that you need or additional help to make sure the bureau itself is policing itself versus the ig? we want to make sure you have those resources. >> i appreciate it mr. fattah. there is no doubt that her problems get vigor headlines all of us in government and that comes with the territory. we run and organizations of human beings and human beings are flawed and they're going to be problems. the key is that we moved them out and try and put in place as remedy so we don't repeat the same problem over and over again. i think i should be doing that internally but i like the ig is an external set of eyes. i've told them you are a pain in the rear but you are my pain in the rear and i like that very much. >> thank you mr. director. >> i won to follow up with what

mr. fattah said. i appreciate dr. harass. the fusion center management took actions reporting from the ig during this review that created difficulties for the office of inspector general and obtaining information directly from the fusion center employees in ensuring that interview response are candid incomplete and if they are not candidate complete wave and have the? we had issues from the fusion center personnel furthermore and of great concern to us employees detailed to the fusion center reported to us that they were subjected to retaliation by the director after they met with oig inspectors during this review to describe their concerns about the fusion center operations. oig recently completed its review of these retaliation allegations and they concluded there were reasonable grounds to believe that personal actions were taken against these employees in reprisal for their protected disclosure.

to whom much is given much is required and of course with the reputation of the bureau if that's the case then i think what dr. harass said, by disciplining here for you keep it from happening again later on. did dr. carter leaves? next mr. culberson. >> thank you director comey for your service to the country and all the men and women who work with you. it is a privileged for us i known the subcommittee of a whole group of fans that love you and care about a mod to support you and help you any way that we can. i want to reiterate as i know the chairman another member seth said the questions or concerns we have whether it be about the fusion center in retaliation against the concerns about retaliation against the inspector general, the work that the chairman has initiated with the review of the 9/11

recommendations to make sure the fbi's implementing those, although these are not as you mentioned criticisms or anyone picking on you. it's almost as though i feel about the fbi's they do about texas and its genetic to love and defend texas without question but you always do your best to improve her and if there's a problem you always take a bride and his all of us do whether virginia or california or pennsylvania maryland dr. harass who just left, we just love you dearly and i just want you to know and california my good friend adam schiff and mr. honda we are all devoted to you and all of these concerns we raise are not intended as criticisms or intended in any way to be hostile. it is truly as though i got an

appropriation site to be in the subcommittee. the only reason i accepted the assignment to be on appropriations i could be here to help support law enforcement community and everyone on this committee knows how passionate i am by the sciences and nasa and the fbi. the questions we raise in the work that you do we want to help you pursue that. i want to encourage you and all the folks who work with you to do everything we can to work with chairman wolf's commission to review the 9/11 recommendations to see how you were implementing those and to be as forthright as you can and do your best to encourage her folks internally to overcome the instinctive reaction they have. don't criticize the bureau. don't be negative. don't mess with texas. don't mess with the fbi. we do it out of love and support. i hope none of you would ever

take this the wrong way. there are things that worry us. judge john carter had to leave to represent central texas amp all of us particulate texas are deeply concerned about what happened at ft. hood. judge carter who is chairing the fema subcommittee hearing at homeland security asked me if i could to ask you about -- that was brought to the attention of the fbi in 2008 and ask your opinion what happened. communication breakdowns or what? the fbi's failed to pursue a number of leads about this guy's views and what in the aftermath of the shooting has the fbi done to be sure that something like this doesn't happen again and someone like this is neglected and allowed to fall through the cracks? >> thank you mr. culberson and i like the criticism.

i have been dating and married to my wife since i was 19 and all that time she has been trying to improve me. >> that's a great analogy. >> i don't doubt that she loves me dearly but i am a work in progress. all human organizations are a work in progress. so i appreciated. i told chairman was i love the idea of the commission to look at us especially as an attractor. it's a great opportunity for me to get a fresh set of eyes from gifted people on the work that we do. >> all these great americans and i hope you will truly swing the door open wide for his these gentlemen to make sure top to bottom the fbi's making themselves available anything and everything these gentlemen need so we don't ever get a report like that. >> i will do everything in my power to do that. i have told my folks behind their backs this means a lot to

me. i want this. i want a fresh aggressive inspection. i won't candid views because that is how we get better and especially a ten-year term that's a gift for me so i will do everything in my power to make that happen. with respect to ft. hood i am no expert. i've i have read judge webster's report and i have asked a meeting with judge webster's as he can take me through it. one of the lessons learned so i can better understand what did we miss because i understand from the report there were failures of communication. people in one office didn't understand the priority of a lead from another office on the west coast of things are dropped i want to understand that better so i can understand the lessons we have learned and what a prefix as as a result? i don't know enough sitting here to answer question well. >> are their jurisdictional problems because it's an army base or army personnel? does the fbi have full

jurisdiction to investigate and interrogate and talk to anybody on an arm and -- army base? >> i think so and there shouldn't be a problem there. one of the things that came out of that case was better information-sharing and better coordination on base. again i've read the report through. i need to sit with judge webster and learned more about it so i can answer better. >> i know there is with state authorities and there have been examples of assaults before where the local d.a. has wanted to go in and prosecute someone. they just don't have the jurisdiction inside the base but you guys are about full jurisdiction to go in and pursue anyone you want on any u.s. military for government installation. ..

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with people from afghanistan doing certain things nobody wanted to say it was political correctness. i think the judge is right on target it is important that from the fbi or the judiciary. that was a problem and he was in touch that they were in the same mosque but it is the question of so the families as a and the pate en the suffering and end the agony have not been compensated.

>> faq for being here. when you discuss sexual assaults and connection to the fbi services looking at the combined index system that plans for an six science into a highly effective tool for linking crimes. this issue is of concern to me because sanders stand there is evidence sitting on shelves of law enforcement. this backlog is across the country and has not been processed.

these victims are waiting for justice. and the secretary that is here with us today is taking a day need -- so be it to eliminate that backlog the examination of the county. the d.a.'s working with other colleagues to create protocols of all the rape kids that are sitting out there. the federal government is providing grounds to local law enforcement but we could be doing more. earlier this year we suggested that backlog by utilizing the private sector

of laboratories -- laboratories with new technology to allow testing samples at the time of the booking. the first question i would like to ask is the use of up private sector laboratories for testing. does india have the authority to initiate the review with the protocol? with the outsourced day na to be included. so what has been done so far with what kind of obstacles seem to be remaining. >> thank you. as fate would have fit the district attorney and i met two weeks ago in san for

cisco and she raises question with me that i had not focused on to that point i immediately did. because she makes the case is about saving people from indescribable pain bringing to do justice. that page is on innocent victims. we sert -- share the sense of mission. i am no expert why i return from sanders as to why ask why a experts i've met a passionate prosecutors and figure out a way to help. my understanding is there is serious concerns of private sector labs to upload directly because it impacts of that vital national resource. but there are ways to leverage the private sector with the state labs to get their information. i understand the head of my

lab is meeting very soon when we have creative ways to address that problem without connecting to the database. i amount of my expertise. i share the pain in the sense of concern not to do anything to jeopardize the database but there has got to be a way to achieve the goal. >> we met with her also and we share the same concerns. but to put together a pilot program so with your interest with the things that needs to be done, would your office of paul a pilot project where the fbi could

help to limit the steps so we could come now with a process to the backlog? >> the concept attracts me i don't know the details well enough that i am glad she is meaty with the head of the lab so there has to be a friday -- away. i don't know the details big mac will there be a time to get back to wes? 500,000 dna kits is a bit much. >> i agree totally. if i could just find out with the meeting i will get back with an update. it is on friday within two weeks site should give your

staff and an update to where we stand. >> before easter? >> i have asked them about this so it should be easy to find out what is going on. >> i appreciate that position. thank you for your efforts. another one is the rapid dna technology. i interesting and that option which could result in the of local database is not quite as secure as the fbi database. it is minders standings the current turnaround time for those that are convicted offenders is about 90 days or more due to that dna

processing backlog. it makes it even more important to address so it agreed lights the rapid dna pilot study and it sounds like you may need a couple of weeks. through accessing that from the non-public laboratory setting with other similar stations is the fbi supportive of the profile and i guess the border checkpoint better outside of the normal process. >> i know enough to tell you that a rapid dna is very exciting this could be in

police stations it is so exciting i went to the lab they showed me to machines we are piloting right now to test how well do they work is a repeatable those are all the machines i don't know the time line exactly but i know it is something we feel a sense of urgency that is why they are piloting right now. >> i am very interested to keep up of that. because trying to bring some justice to those from sexual assaults is based on dna outcome is very important. so we will work with you closely on this. we appreciate your sense of cooperation.

>> thank you mr. honda. >> mr. chairman i know it may be a bit early to begin the attributes but what a great pleasure it has been to serve with u.s. chairman i cannot imagine this committee or congress without the extraordinary cherry and champion of human rights. it has been a great privilege to serve with you. mr. director thank you for sharing that anecdote about your wife. i have been married almost 20 years did in that time we never had a single flight. [laughter] that i have one of. [laughter] but to give credit where credit is due, with quite a few things but let me start with malaysia.

i don't know if you can give us an update rather than look dash up of hard drive the you know, when that analysis will be concluded or is proceeding? there also have been some claims we were not getting adequate cooperation or not invited but i heard from the contrary we were there from the beginning and favors sad when day heard speculation that there were not welcoming? >> from the very beginning we were closely in contact with the malaysian authorities to we established a great tradition japan offered any assistance that we might be able to provide. they took us up on our technical abilities with the expectation of certain forensic materials that work

is ongoing i get briefed every morning. i have teams working around the clock to exploit that. i don't want to talk about that in an open setting but should be done fairly shortly within a day or two. >> we have been keeping the malaysian authorities what we're learning? >> yes. to speak to the counterpart's every single day to update and get new information. >> had you been pleased with the level of cooperation or do you feel there is other assistance we could provide? >> no. i am pleased. law enforcement is law enforcement. >> one of the issues that has come up that two of the passengers flying had no

passports this seems like us a gaping hole in the security system that so many thousands fly throughout the course of the year with stolen identification. i know we do a better job interfacing with the full database how comfortable to or from the united states? and apart from the risk of americans traveling are there risks with their kraft coming into the airspace? >> in without loss password

database into and out of the united states i am confident that information is checked on anybody. i don't see that as of all their ability. if they're not checking that database my concerns with airline safety regarding to flights don't focus on identity. >> routinely? does that mean the database checks from all domestic flights to and from? >> every six states -- 60 and in or out of the united states to might understanding. i could find out with domestic flights purely but i think someone uses up passport that is checked.

i cannot say that of the domestic right now. >> is a worth considering with the travel advisory should be issued that was certain airlines those that don't check interpol to use public knowledge with those necessary to check with interpol? >> that is a great question. it is worth considering. i have not thought about it maundered and these few moments but that is something that my friend at ts say i am sure is thinking about. >> so the downside is george telling adversaries which ones don't use security bite

assume they know better than the general public if they decide rather want to fly to help ease economic pressure or international partners to use better practices. we will follow up with you on that and the t.s.a. as well. turning to the boston bombing lessons learned, the error in the system of the spelling has that been corrected in the sense caffeinated is misspelled to rehab a better capacity to catch that if there are warnings someone flying around the country have confidence they will be acted? >> i think so. i am trying to remember but i have been told. i have to get back to the

particulars because that was called out as a problem but i do not remember what i was told how it was fixed so many changes of protocol or practices that have been brought about as a result of boston or anything you thought was not a causal factor but been done differently with those changes a practices been brought about? >> yes. up every incident is an opportunity to improve even if it doesn't change the results so a couple put into place with the joint terrorism task force there is no prize ever -- prior approval requirement if they want to share information with those cleared in his apartment there was concern that they require prior approval and to we are

developing a protocol of each joint terrorism task forces to review with the local chief in case they have of question that is the protocol that timing may be different or a weekly meeting or monthly meeting but we want to make sure those participants can ask questions before the close the case. those are two things of the process improvements that came out of the boston case. >> turning to the international challenge americans coming back from syria. do you have the resources you need to conduct surveillance when there are

people returning from syria? that is manpower intensive requirements. is that adequately covered in the president's budget? how would you handle those new demands in light of the fact the workload like cyber are increasing? >> the answer is yes with the funding you have given us the hope i will receive to fill those vacant positions we will have the resources to address that one thing they have funded is the mobile surveillance team effort. and as we speak we use those resources to address that problem. if i maintain the current course i could back fill those vacancies. >> there is the bomb to a decelerate the handling and

i just want to read knowledge that would be well invested seeking information from the government's and the frustrations they have land to the degree that drives the effort to localize the data center with these otherwise protectionist policies. hopefully we can help without requesting and finally with the great interest of the and a to a accelerate the opportunity to follow up of the work that have been done it as a request in places like california. think you mr. chairman. i will yield back. >> just to follow up we hear

reports there could be as many as 720-0500 in syria at least 50 are americans. we also have the national intelligence director shows the says the real threats of former guantanamo dkb was arrested on terrorism offenses regarding to the war in syria. british authorities are increasingly concerned about the threat posed by those who have been radicalized and arrested 24 syria and 40 in january alone this year. we want to be sure we are not risk with those of trading contacts with terrorists to be put back into the u.s. to threaten our communities. i introduced before the resources of the

international conflict of concern act to authorize the president to restrict travel to countries like syria where organizations are active working with the anti-government forces. this would require licenses tears travel or provide materials and establish criminal penalties and such restrictions. reintroduce the bill with the law enforcement community is with regards to radicalization. how large a of a problem does the fbi believes it represents a and you have a chance to look at the legislation dealing with this issue? i think it is important to speak to different agencies.

>> a serious challenge one of the ways that i amanda of the of metastasize saying thread to to travel on out to the e.u. or citizens traveling back and forth directly i hear about them from all of my colleagues it was the enormous challenge i'd like the idea behind the legislation. >> i am sorry i am late we have quite a few meetings going on. congratulations director on your appointment. we will find as time goes on. >> what could go wrong? [laughter] >> i remember when this committee took good care of

the fbi right after 9/11. let me ask a couple of questions. the department of justice ig report finding feat the fbi braked the lowest priority even after the fiscal crisis even after a significant funds were given to investigate this type of crime the budget does not include additional funding in this area would be doing to ensure it is engaging in its traditional mission of mortgage fraud? >> i am asking about it constantly because white-collar enforcement in general is what i am not dash did about as we have 200 agents that do nothing but that to focus on mortgage fraud. the number of cases is coming down but i have a lot of folks working on and

civil-rights separately is uniquely the promise. >> as a national independent forces is something we have to do it and will remain a priority. >> we hope so. it was troubling with the issue of mortgage fraud and other issues could flow as we continue to pay attention. that is the one thing after 9/11 we need to pay attention to terrorism. absolutely. but in the process we cannot throw away those other issues what is so effective. >> i agree. very much. a huge part of my talk it

was white collar crime and those are crimes that you could clear the teacher says something i believe we should continue to do. >> my next question without telling us what you are not allowed, what is the continuing relationship with the new york city police department? it is clear to everyone on the committee and house some people feel as a target to make the largest pavement what is that ongoing relationship? now with the new police commissioner and you as the director? >> no one picks on the york in my presence. the relationship is excellent.

although sometimes it is like to brothers. we loved each other by wrestle of the floor. no one wants to stab anybody but it is highly effective with terrorism we do great stuff together. i had a great relationship with ray kelly and i think it will continue i know his chief of intelligence is the solemn and we know each other and the brotherhood in sisterhood will get tighter so despite what people may have heard about bumping with the n.y.p.d. i don't see it. >> i appreciate that. we have different issues in new york city with the police department stop and frisk but coming to

terrorism to single out a car has been very effective people still suffer the effects of 9/11 we hope that is something you continue to work on. let me ask you a question. i was born importer rigo so i take great interest what happens and sitting in that chair i asked a question that could have been considered a throwaway. asking about the history of the relationship of p.r. and the fbi and they said there is a part of that history to be proud of and he quickly agreed to read these files

of that relationship that went after that group of people. but it hurt a lot of people in the process and those files are coming to a senator and on the web site. i hope that relationship continues with your leadership that we continue to open up those files to find out what went wrong so that does not take place again and you may not remember but it was the time he is committed to it. >> so i hope that there has been an eye laps to get those files available i a understand that is because

they are still alive but that is an important point. speaking to that the last appropriations bill the gave said gsa $85 million to build a new facility the heather comes directly from gsa so how will you release the files? >> starting with that final question i don't know the particulars i will get smarter but those principles that sense of openness and recognition of past mistakes my concern was expressed

when i started. you may know that all the new rate agents were required to go to a the holocaust museum to remind them of abusive power are also require all ages to visit martin luther caterer boreal as the dangers to get away from oversight and accountability. icy those abuses with other issues that you talk about so i will continue that commit to recognize we are a great institution but we are human so we cannot forget our history and if we do we risk repeating that history. with respect to p.r. it is a major focus with drug trafficking i was briefed on it my first week as i stood

in the command center watched the hostage rescue team with an arrest warrants. we have over 300 agents that therein is the site for the new building and it is on track soviet will be done in a couple three years? it is coming. not fast enough we're not in adequate facilities but that focus remains the big part of the work especially with public corruption and violent crime. >> with cuban trafficking where the national gang intelligence center it would make sense to develop

intelligence related to paying trafficking activity is that the good idea of the of gang trafficking? bamako's organized groups also track -- have people in it would be good to get people to think like that. >> your ben institute posted the analysis the underground commercial sex industry to identify recommendations even if they seem at obvious with better formation or better trading war information's sharing in addition with the black market that lives of mine. let it is your experience

but we really cannot deal with the problem. in north virginia we had a group called polaris will get places in northern virginia where there was trafficking. coming back with 81 locations. but now in the shenandoah valley how do we deal with that of mine back page? >> just as i said earlier as connected to the internet the lives of those that would exploit children to engage in human trafficking

we also see people finding customers through the on-line forums. i don't know if it is the first amendment issues to shut these down but i know when we do operation cross-country to stop trafficking with these operations like the super bowl with the tri-state area , these forums are the places where pc people going to find a victim of -- victims' for pimps to find people and customers to find people. i have not thought through if there is a legal rigo but it is a big concern. >>. >> is big with young high-school students involved with the committee put language gin with the

bipartisan way every field office involved in every u.s. attorney i am sorry he left did an incredible job. he has his own style for every attorney but we have to deal with this issue. you have to go after the pimps. we a understand the irs does not want to but you need of major effort to break the back tractarian, , one dash track their income and hit them. hit them. hit them. hit them. sometimes they are 13 or 48 year old girls. from all levels of all families. some locations many places

they can go for rehabilitation. i would like your best people to look. have the irs put together teams. years ago with this different committee there is in international conference to bring all of the people with international sexual trafficking. they said we would like you to deal with this issue. do you know, what is building on in albania or thailand? what about yonkers? or here? and do we need a national conference with the fbi to bring all law enforcement

together. maybe with sky tuesday to break the back because it is growing. if you look at the possibility of a national conference and how do we deal with the pimps to go after you don't have to comment but look at that and get back. >> i would. >> the 9/11 commission review and you have the good group, end the secretary and president reagan one of the finest of modern times. professor hoffman teaches this at georgetown. fresh eyes on the target.

what would you like them to look at? what would you like them to do? it is a great opportunity for you but what would you like them to look at? are you in communication? >> yes. i told the general he was the attorney general when i was first appointed. his name is on my certificate eye and make both of us feel old but as the all-star team i am interested in anything is but a particular how do they assess our effort to transform the organization into intelligence driven? it is something i believe is a generational change so i think i have to push but i would love there it buys on how that is going what can make a better because that

is of fundamental there are a number of other things but that in particular really interests me. >> i know we have a number of other things to get to but i was out at the joint terrorism center with the launch doing a great job also for the center for exploited children this is critical on all fronts. so that plays out in local jurisdictions with a significant uptick of shooting and murderers to

work with the chairman to have some additional focus through the task force with a 50 year low. is a connection to a coordinated activities to work together in ways that do make a difference. as you go for word, as we consider the appropriations process and other things that come up to be available to you and you mention white collar that this is a big settlement that i sent a

letter to the attorney general for medical research and use mentoring -- youth mentoring. the work you we're doing is great focusing young people don't end up on the road but to get them earlier in the process. i think the chairman for the hearing and we will hear from general meese and our great colleague. >> i've with like to reiterate also my colleagues concern and support to help local jurisdictions clean up the dna of rape kit backlog. also my good friend question about encouraging cooperation with the ukraine and he is right the best place to do that is through the money.

i hope you lost your folks to contact your people to let them know to what extent they are refusing to cooperate that is a great point of leverage to win sure that they are cooperating. the area of cybersecurity is something near and dear to my heart's. my good friend took me to see your cybercenter and i cannot thank you enough. is extraordinarily impressive. we will do everything we can to help you in that effort. there has been a tremendous problem the public is aware of the chinese penetrating and stealing intellectual property. on the scale the world has

never seen before. i used to think perhaps the sack of persepolis was the greatest pillaging ever done ballistic the chinese have stolen almost all intellectual property of there. is that of fair assessment? the writing of the coco la recipe? >> neither are connected to the internet. it remains the enormous challenge particularly with the chinese we have tremendous resources to address that problem that cuts across all industries. >> look at the scale of cybertheft the chinese government and affiliate's

they are the worst in the world. >> it is an enormous challenge with that set of intrusions' coming from china is a huge focus. >> i would rank him as the most aggressive. >> how are you able? i sanders and you have done a marvelous job to help private companies discover when they have been penetrated. how to do you pursue that? does the company have to initiate contact? do you initiate contact for them? houston in texas is to oil and gas that silicon valley is to the computer industry. and those are good folks

with intellectual property to find the right places to drill. to initiate contact to let them know? >> it runs both ways. we are working to make sure we get it to the company. a lot of them expressed frustration nodded nafta say someone will break into your building or where so we are getting better because as we talk about her there there is smart people with good equipment but we have to share together with that aggregate brain but that those in both directions. we create a us database for

malicious software database like a national resource so if a company eat encounter something they can give us the code to say we have seen this here is how you might address that if we could have the big enough database we could do better. >> mike rogers was it last year he had a piece of legislation designed to do that so the federal government could create a data base of malware? i use norton on my miserable windows system but whenever i turn on the computer the first thing i do is operate the one dash open the operating system. chairman rogers legislation

was designed to sell businesses could log on to the central data base to update the awareness of malware attacks then protection. does that ring a bell? >> there are some broad cyberlegislation to allow private companies to share data how they have been attacked and what they need to look for so what can benefit for the signatures. >> just like we do with their own personal. >> has not passed yet. >> we did that last year. maybe not the senate? >> that might be right. >> and if think it was critical infrastructure there are a