there's certainly a lot of members in uniform that can do that. that are a lot of skills in every different military occupation including those in the combat arms that we know many of them, the leadership teamwork, the dedication of duty. there are certifications that come with managerial focus is

that can attest to those skills, and exam, and awareness. it can help bridge that gap again for the combat arms trip to be able to say i bring skill sets. the army had this great advertising campaign, still does, the army of one. if you look at the independent soldier or independent marine that's out in the field, they have an incredible column skills. they have i.t. technical skills putting their weapon together and doing operational needs. they bring these other skill sets such as those to bear that they might be able to earn certification without too much gap training to help them be ready. your question specifically but what would i see with the change of economy, if people have the silver bullet they would be glad to offer to come focus on one small subset of the big giant economy, so i don't feel qualified to answer that one but what i would like to see is this

marriage between industry and hiring authorities and the skill sets of the military members finding better, easier ways to bridge that gap so we don't have such long periods of unemployment. we know industry has gaps. we're hearing from some groups in the energy trade, for instance, what they can't find enough people and we know those skill sets are there within the military organizations. if we could just get these little gaps out of the way, the bridge training, they could be able to fill those pretty easy. so that's something that we are targeting on. i thought there was another question back there. [inaudible] >> kind of carry along the same line of combat arms committee, the army, marine corps and more specifically the infantry, recovering marine infantrymen. these skills are very

translatable. in fact, there virtually untranslatable. you can do that particularly from iraq and afghanistan and translate that back to our society. for good measure i might add. i'm just wondering, what is the light at the end of the tunnel for the 10% of the marine corps or even more for the army, particularly enlisted infantry, folks were more likely to have injuries, folks that are more likely to have mental health and service rated disabilities that are higher than non-infantry pairs? what is the light at the end of the tunnel? what specific focus are you'll looking at with regard to the population as opposed to say a medical record becomes an emt or things like that? >> i will say from the american legion working in collaboration with all stakeholders, solid, again, the national governors

association, dod, department of transportation to we take that into consideration. when we do the mapping, and as you say i'm pretty sure bill can talk more about that as he's more of an expert, the whole mapping aspect of it, but when you do mapping in any particular occupation, in many cases a lot of the collaboration, so like when you talk about department of transportation issues, you try to have a public partner, public-private partnership where are those individuals who need to be retrained or getting an additional skill set, then those programs aren't -- are in place to help those whom i want to go into the electrician work, the energy sector, want to go into manufacturing, is even though you might not have all those skill sets but how can we train you. do you have the aptitude to get into those programs and, of course, they will help you train, help you acquire the skill sets.

so we look at from both and again we are looking at it from trying to be very proactive. prior to even transitioning out to help in the military. i think that's why senator mccain and our organization working with senator mccain, we introduce legislation to how can an individual take advantage, how can an individual from the benefit because it has been mutual beneficial kind of services have to get something out of it, and what they get out of it his job performance as and an enhanced readiness of the service. but the service member gets access to maybe right now i'm not ready for college, but what i am ready for its credential. i am ready to get my license, ready to get a certificate. again, like i.t. or something in the stanfield what i'm able to get something out because right now i don't think i'm ready or in combat arms and as, when you add a hired temple of deployment, a higher tempo of our time to go to college but i

don't have time to go to school. that's not part of my daily agenda where someone who might not be as high tempo deployment, especially when you're not liking any type of the regiment or battalions, you might have time to go to college. go to university on the military installation. camp lejeune is a perfect example. camp lejeune has campuses, but guess what? i wasn't able to go because when you're not deployment, you're in the field two weeks out of the month. sometimes three weeks depending on what's going on. or you are doing something other than having the opportunity to go get that additional skill set but this allows you to have some skill set at a quicker pace until when you do transition you have the g.i. bill where hopefully the g.i. bill was created to help you readjust to society. we are looking at all that and again those who may be not have the skill sets, but if you do have the aptitude to police when

the skill sets, then those initiatives will help those transition into that particular new profession if they choose. hopefully that answer to the question. >> i would just add, you know, it's certainly the bigger question mark compared to the other multitude of occupational areas. the bigger question mark is how do you map? how do you draw the skills? those other things is doing in training and preparation for deployment as you probably did, certainly did. there's other things you do in preparation to develop a skill set that alleged eventually end up where -- yet to find your own path. it's a less defined path for the

should, god forbid, unfortunate our brothers in arms have fallen but should we get hurt in any way, shape, or form out in the battlefield it's the corporate who comes over and says i'm here to take care of you. whatever that might be.

whether its geology out in the battlefield are giving you attorney get. so their job for us and their job roles totally different than someone who's working in a medical hospital. so those two individuals have different expertise to those individuals have acquired two different skill sets but when you look at them they're still core men. so their job and job description is kind of still the same but when you look outside of the job description they are different. what the community colleges have been doing is digging out how you look at those two things. how do you look at them from a prior learning assessment, from a competency-based, and how do you incorporate that to say you might be qualified to be an lpn. you might be called for to do something else in the medical field what it's not just let me stand with an emt and see on your merry way. so this is how in many cases institutions of higher learning have become involved in helping with the whole mapping process from an academic, institution of

higher learning and again this also goes back to institutions of higher learning and not just community colleges over all, how they also have a role in why they're considered a staple because they do play a role in many cases where you have to have a degree before you can sit for her nursing license. and that's one of the prerequisites. iso many states, or all states. so they do play a role and what they're doing is helping us, helping all the other stakeholders, how do you map that? how do you interpret what you have learned and how do you apply that to what you want to become when you get older or when you grow up. >> to follow up, i was mentioning the cool database. in that database, solid has collected almost 4000

certifications, licenses that are out there, about 1600 i think are mapped to navy or army occupations. but when you go and look at these, it will lay out what this certification requirements are. what are the eligible the factors, what are the exam to cover the certification kind of be tested on. so the soldiers can look at that, look at their own program an instruction to the technical training, and assess where there's a delta, where there's a gap. a lot of times the community colleges are filling the role of providing that gap training and abroad where they can earn an associates degree. we're working with the air force now. the of force has the community college of the air force which is a degree granting immunity college, and it actually is an accredited degree granting institution that every air men

when they finished their tech school, the country, just about all the earned an associates degree. so they have that to help apply towards if there is an education from an associates level education requirement, they will have that in their pocket. the other services are looking to the same types of things to make sure working with the community colleges they compare with them and get the necessary education you're just one example among many that comes to mind right away is that u.s. army military police school in fort leavenworth, kansas. they been working a pilot study. every state has its own licensing requirements for peace officers. there's a natural transition there that you would see. military members going into being police officers. a lot of community and state and local federal police agencies

like to have military members. what they're finding is that, of course, every state has its own jurisdictional issues. you have a wrench in some states only required three heard hours of training to something 71200 hours of training required. so with the army, military police school has been doing a pilot study sang let's shoot for the key requirements are nested to earn -- the they're located n missouri. how can we get our soldiers in this schoolhouse to be licensed to be reciprocal licensed by the state of missouri? and they found pathways to do that. some of the record working with the local community college and developing the curriculum that talked to specific use of force things that were missouri specific. that's what each state can help develop that kind of bridge program so that the servicemember doesn't have to complete the whole thing. they have 80% of the work already study through the technical training, like that limited scope can be awarded of

additional training can be done to community colleges. so they can be a gap filler in a lot of ways. >> i have a question. after your very good presentation, we have any barometer our actual physical data -- i doubt that we do -- but do we have anything to show the effectiveness of these programs and how me personnel have actually been able to be placed? >> i'm looking out in the audience because with a subject matter expert, a couple. i don't think that we have any real hard data on that. lisa, did you know of anything? [inaudible] >> for the navy's credentialing program. and actually it's different than the study that steve was talking about but this is going to look at, point to track sales have

gone through and got credentials and see what is done for them while they're in the military and after they left the service. that will be the first of its kind and they will be very interesting. >> it would be the first of looking at this. we have many anecdotal examples of success but this will be the first comprehensive kind of look. it's maybe specific. i think they're looking at sailors there been able to participate in some of these credentialing programs. so there's not a lot of evidence right now that is establish other than anecdotal. there's a lot of confidence that it will work. now we will see. >> with that, do we have any questions? if not, we very much want to thank you for coming. i think we learned a lot today. and good luck, gentlemen. thank you. [inaudible conversations]

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additional 79 billion for afghanistan. this is a little less than two hours. >> [inaudible conversations] >> the rules committee will come to order, and i want to welcome everyone back from a weeklong work period week, and louise, as i can see we've got a stack of work ready for us ready to go this week. it is heavy lifting. this afternoon the rules committee will meet to consider two important pieces of legislation. first the committee will hear information about h.r. 4660, the commerce, justice, state and related agencies appropriations act for the 2015. this represents the third appropriations bill this year and highlights house republicans commitment to an open and transparent appropriations

process. this legislation provides $51.2 billion to fund vital law enforcement of public safety efforts while promoting initiatives directed to job creation and economic growth. i want to thank the subcommittee chairman frank wolf, very dear friend of mine from virginia and ranking member for their diligent work on this bill. i believe it's important to note, chairman wolf, that you being of pure this year as an important year in the life and the life of this congress and the want to thank you for your service for this great institution and for your hard work throughout the years of mean being in congress knowing the kind of work that you do it and i want to thank you right up front for that service. next decade in a will begin consideration on h. r. 4435, fiscal year 2015. this legislation ensures that are military has the needed resources necessary to fulfill

its mission, that is, to protect the united states of america, its citizens at home and abroad. to make sure our friends around the world are well taken care of and protected also. i'm proud of this years ndaa work, the work that will ensure adequate levels of troop readiness, reducing bureaucracy, logjams to improve our nation's military effectiveness and fulfills our promise to support our soldiers and their families. in a few minutes the gentleman from the armed service committee chairman buck mckeon and ranking member smith will be here before the committee and i want to thank them for their incredible work, the work that they do together to make sure that this work is not only timely but close to the mark so that the policy of the united states congress is properly taken care. i also want to thank chairman mckeon for his years of service as i previously said about the gentlemen, mr. wolf.

their years of service not just to this institution, the really people who love freedom and who expect to united states congress to have professional adjectives. finally, i want to let everyone know that today's hearing on h.r. 4435 will be limited to general debate. the rules committee will meet tomorrow for consideration of amendments. with a set of want to thank my colleagues for joining us today. obviously, chairman wolf and mr. fattah are at the witness table and prepared. we welcome them already. i want to give the same opportunity to gentlemen, the ranking member of the committee, ms. slaughter, for any opening statement she may have. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i understand that it is going to be open will, going to ask for an open rule, are you not? which is wonderful and we're happy to the. so i have no discussion on that

part of the. i do want to take this opportunity to tell mr. wolf, who i served with when i first got here, you have made a wonderful difference here, mr. wolf. the things you champions and the things you do and you will be sorely missed. thank you for standing up for the good things. >> the gentleman yield back her time. thank you very much. i'm delighted both of you here and i think a few minutes ago, as i greeted you i spoke with you about how important your testimony is before the rules committee. both of you represent not just $51 billion, but really the opportunity for you to bring your hard work, your work you've done together to this committee to present in such was not just we can understand it but understand the priorities and

those things which avoid the rules committee should be attuned to. i do admit that today is a comeback date a week late, but week after a work period that we've many members who are writing late this evening. so normally you come before a full rules committee i am delighted that both of you here. without objection from anything havanythingyou have been writine added into the record. i would first like to acknowledge and yield time to the gentleman from virginia, chairman wolf. you are recognized. [inaudible] >> excuse me. mr. chairman it is on. if you pulled it closer to you. you are on tv and we want to make sure that we can everything about you. thank you very much. >> 51.2 billion --

[inaudible] [inaudible] including increased funding for the fbi to continue counterterrorism programs to prevent and investigate cyber

intrusions that the justice department brought a case against five chinese individuals on cyber attack, which is the very positive. funding for state and local justice grant programs is reduce overall, but high priority programs continue. also, funding above the current level and above the president's request for violence against women programs come for combating human trafficking and for addressing dba testing backlogs at crime labs and law enforcement agencies nationwide. for science basic scientific research and science education, innovative and competitiveness can continue to long-term economic growth. the national science foundation come somewhat for going to set the groundwork so the development of new technologies can support science education

programs that will improve our competitive. for nasa the bill includes 17.9 billion, an increase of 100 million also for era not ask research. still also support the upcoming flight milestone for nasa's orion crew vehicle, space launch system restored come proposed cuts to nasa's science missions including planetary science missions to mars. i also want to thank mr. fattah. we worked very, very closely together on all of these issues and want to thank him for the great close working relationship and also the entire staff on both sides of the aisle for the good work. without i yield back. >> thank you very much. i'm delighted that you are here as well. spent i'm honored to be able to the pure the for the rules committee, both you, mr. chairman, and the ranking member, but i'm even more

honored to sit beside chairman wolf and had sat beside him for these many years as his shepherd this bill through this process. we have never appeared without a bill that was a bipartisan, and that is the case here. he has just provided extraordinary leadership. there are items in this bill on human trafficking, which he has championed a major effort throughout the country on, and a number of other items where he mentioned the indictment today in terms of hacking. i think it's safe to say that none of this would've happened without his insistence over many years around this issue when others were not paying any attention to it. frank wolf was in the lead. i know it's unusual around what we're talking about a member of the opposite party, but frank wolf has been an american first in every single instance.

so even though he might be on the other team, he has been a leader for our country. on cyber, on human trafficking, on human rights. so the bill today is 51.2 billion. there are significant numbers that are important to our country. i want to spend a minute to talk about the law enforcement, justice department investment because it's important. attorney general holder did a video throughout the doj complementing chairman wolf and myself for the work we've done because it's enlisted a three-year hiring freeze. we want to make should each of these agencies throughout the doj, that vacancies can be filled and that the needs of the country in terms of law enforcement can be met. and again, chairman wolf has been the strongest advocate, the fbi, the dea, all of the other law enforcement entities, the alcohol, tobacco and firearms,

make sure that these ftes were filled, these full-time employment positions were filled. and so i think that's important. eight particular importance to me has been inside dj the youth mentoring investment and the boys and girls clubs of america. mr. chairman, something you've been quite interested in and supportive of, but for the boys and girls club and all the of the youth mentoring groups you know, because they been able to build up these programs over the years, including this one, because above the president's request is the chairman's mark to make an investment in the country's future and i think it should be noted. and working together we launched the first ever high priority brain research initiative that has over the last few years already produce very important objectives in terms of bringing in some federal -- 20 federal agencies together, have them lay

out an instructor path forward in terms of breaking in, breaking the code on some of these 600 plus diseases and disorders of the brain. on manufacturing, the chairman helped lead the way in terms of repatriating some of these jobs have been lost to other places around the world back home, to programs to the department of commerce and select u.s.a. has gotten support. i will rest my case on the nasa investment. so in space technology, 600 plus billion investment, commercial crew, the science, education accounts so very important to i want to thank the chairman. these are allocations are tough, but we have put together a bill that i think as we go to the floor of the house will be proud to support. in terms of the investments that are being made in education and

in science, and, of course, with national weather service also getting a major kind of support here to focus sunlight program, other weather forecasting. so it's been a pleasure to work with frank wolf as chairman. i learned a lot. we're going to move this bill through conclusion this year, and knowing that even though it's his last bill it's not the last we were probably hear of frank wolf on the critical issues of the day. thank you. >> mr. fattah, thank you very much. i would first like to ask questions to the gentlemen, mr. wolf. you're closing out your career. you had initiatives during the years that you've not only -- but also help us in other efforts. but in particular with this cjs, you have put your hand on what your colleague has said great job. what are the things i need to

know, be looking forward to so that next year whoever is here we can ask them and know and follow -- you started trafficking of women, that's not an issue but that is an issue which have excelled in among others. thank you, mrmr. chairman, if ye me viewpoint spent i'm sure whoever will take that spot will do what they think is appropriate i think the area of the fbi, cyber because if you go out and i would urge every member to see it, you can go to a location in this area whereby you can look and see the names of every company that's been hit. every major american company, the chinese are saving technology. cyber and catechism. also the weather service. mr. knightley came up to me the other day and said it saved the lives in mississippi and in

other places but also the human trafficking at the very thought. just in northern virginia alone with a group called the letter is look to see how many places young women were trafficked, sexually trafficked in northern virginia. 81 places. i had a group combined to see me from my church asked me to go on a bill to do with sexual trafficking in thailand. but i said it's in annandale. it's all over. so in the whole area of sexual trafficking, and lastly in the area of manufacturing and repatriation and bringing jobs back to america coming of these jobs have been taken out. and now the chinese government is fragile, ma environmental issues are big problems. the chinese people want freedom. in fact, in 20 years china will probably be the largest christian nation in the world. at 25 catholic bishops under

house arrest and protestant pastors are up in arms and they're ready to go to change this government and said it's time to bring business back into america. lassa, and they give mr. fattah all the credit, the whole issue on the brain. you can talk to somebody who hasn't had a loved one with alzheimer's disease, parkinson's, tumors. and mr. fattah has taken this initiative with regard to the brain but there's a couple of issues but i'm sure the next member will sort of have their own priorities. >> thank you very much. mr. fattah, use spoke about $600 million, and what you are looking for them to accomplish with their mission. can you take, talk to me about that? >> very, very important that our country understand how important having nasa at the very forefront of technology and innovation. so pushing the envelope.

we have now privatized low-earth orbit travel to the administration, and congress cooperation in the leadership of frank wolf. we now have multiple companies who are flying cargo back and forth to the space station and will soon be flying accrue. but i was on the floor of the mission control in the mars rover landed after eight and have months of travel. to put human beings on mars is what the goal is. it's going to take a lot of know-how that we don't presently have. so we are building these rocket ships and it's an investment we need to make as a country, continue to lead in science and technology. it's not so much what we find in space by finding our way to space, we find technologies that enhance america's ability to lead globally.

we have kind of put on the side some of this for too many years. i would say all the way back to previous efforts where we have not made the investments we need to make. so we are very pleased with the investments that are being made now. that's a robust budget year for nasa but there's a lot of work for us to do if we want to inspire our kids in the s.t.e.m. education. the one thing that we know inspires them is space exploration and human spaceflight. and even though a lot won't be astronaut, they will study math, science, if our country points the way. >> most interesting. i spend time with the gentlemen on the science committee, chairman lamar smith on the record basis and it's a regular discussion in the texas delegation as we talk about the attributes of nasa, what the mission is and moving forward. and i well remember one my

favorite movies, the rocket boys. that's a generation that i grew up in, and chairman smith is well aware that we need to get a vision of their of math and science and the attributes they are in. and i appreciate you coming each of you working to find those initiatives that he, just not that he is for but i think we can get us back on a stem attribute where people who are in second, third grade, first grade understand what we're trying to do. i think we've gotten away from seeing these things. i saw where inspector erskine at the fbi passed away a week or so ago, 95 years old. i do -- i grew up in an era where fbi was on sunday night and i watched nasa and these attributes of hard work and

honesty and moving forward. there are character traits of our country affecting so many people i do appreciate you encouraging that. so thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to thank our colleagues also for the work that they have put in to this bill. and i particularly appreciate the co-and i particularly appree the cooperative nature of the presentation that was made here today. i'm a huge fan of frank wolf also. we were together the other day and i said we had a wolf and a fox in the house together. we have to find somebody to replace him so we can continue that tradition. but we all know chairman wolf has done a fantastic job in his tenure here in the house, and is a great role model for all of

us. and i appreciate also the emphasis on nasa and a s.t.e.m. programs, as somebody who has been pushing the skills act significantly and knowing that we have a lot of jobs out there that aren't being filled in this country, that people with the kind of background that the very s.t.e.m. programs have, present, maybe could do a better job of filling them. i do have a concern that we have 209 different s.t.e.m. programs in the federal government. i think our money would be better spent if we could do something to consolidate those programs, and possibly get to students even earlier than we do now. someone who spent a lot of time in education over the years, but i know that's an area where we truly need to be working.

so i appreciate the emphasis that you all have put on this. i would like to take a point of personal privilege, trying to and recognize a guest that i have here today, reverend charlie martin is going to be our visiting chaplain tomorrow. and asked him a few minutes ago if you would like to sit in little bit on the rules meeting and he said that he would. and i also have javier so-so who is one of chairman ross leighton's constituents, a graduate who's been doing an internship program with me. this is not his first time at the rules committee but he said and i stay, to? so he is obviously a climate for punishment. but i'm delighted to have pastor martin here.

he is from my home county, and lives way out in the country. i mean, far out in the country. and i'm delighted that he is here but he's a very astute person. and he cares a great deal about our country and what's happening. so i'm delighted that he is spending some time with us here in the capital. and with that i have no questions of our colleagues, and i yield back. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to add my welcome to the guests are and in a strange twist of irony in my home district of rochester, new york, today a young woman with since to prison for purchase of guns that she made, high-powered weapons that they were sold, sold -- that killed, were given to a felon.

he killed his sister, two firemen, praised wounded another firemen on christmas eve in rochester of two years ago. and so it makes me really sad to think that the amendment you had come up to i guess it was the administration, to ask that gun dealers notified the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms when they sell two or more certain high-powered guns to the same by within five days. i don't understand the logic behind not allowing something like that. what i think the statistics show now that fewer people are buying guns but the people who buy guns are buying more of them. we are particularly said in her district and i they are going to be very happy to find out that something that would've kept that young woman from being able to do that was turned down by

this committee. i hope we can do better than that. i bring the idea that it would burden small businesses, i can pretty well assured you that businesses that sold those guns in rochester would have appreciated it. they wouldn't have minded saving those three lives. mr. fattah, they want to say something? >> thathat was a matter that cae up in that was a medic in the been the ultimate and committee and was an amendment offered. it was not successful in the full committee but under the rule that we seek, open will speak we can bring it up the? >> it wil would be brought up ad aired again on the floor. the issue is, but there's an attempt by the leadership of the committee including chairman wolf to try to work through some of the challenges are bound this, but this was fully debated. this is an action the administration has taken, which

i support. i think there should be notification but congress has to be able to work as well in this manner. the votes may or may not add up the same column we might want them to at the end of the day. >> but it's important? >> that's the beauty of an open will to you've got to congratulate the majority. >> very good. thank you both. >> thank you very much. mr. woodall. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i just was also going to congratulate the majority for pushing for an open will let mr. fattah is already touched on the. i don't have anything to add to it means a lot to me that folks to as much work as you will do on the appropriations committee and you don't come up here and say we are the best of the best. we have perfected it and there's nothing left for anybody else in the congress to act. time and time again you put in the late hours and the long days and you still encourage your colleagues to come if it's something that they believe will make it better to give it a shot

on the floor and let the votes fall where they may. it always means a lot to me and i appreciate that. thank you both. >> judge hastings is recognized. >> i think mr. wolf and mr. fattah for their presentations. and i am appreciative of many of the measures that they put together but i do have two concerns that i would like to ask them about. one is, the $15 million cut in legal services. and i understand our fiscal dynamics in this country, as do all members of congress. and i also understand that we have to make priority determinations. but i know the good that the legal services program does in this nation and i'll be specific

about florida. and an article in today's newspapers in florida, discussion is ongoing regarding the fact that these cuts are to take place and that legal services are going to have to put people out of work. there are 400 legal services, employees in florida. and according to the cut as proposed 24 of them will lose their job. florida has touched a i specifically know about florida. does an incredible amount of pro bono work through members of the florida bar. the florida bar also has a foundation and it along with some state funds which i might

add were also out of the state budget legal services were cut as far as what the state offers in this arena. and a proposal was, i don't have strong feelings about as a member of the bar. $265 they've been that way for a very long time, and a proposal came up with an additional $100 per member, is being discussed on both sides, people for and against it, but some of those funds are doubtless help of the foundations which is nearly complete a cousin of its support of the secret service. so i would like to know how you all came to that determination and more important than even the issue or as important as the

issue, all of us know that millions of americans live in coastal reefs and we know that storm surge and the rise in sea level increase the likelihood of coastal flooding. yet the committee abandoned research efforts that americans are in greatly need. am i correct that the cut represents 20 force -- 24% decrease from 2014? am i correct that it is more than a third, or 37%, difference between the administration's request? i hesitate to get too far into the weeds on this business about

our climate. one of my colleagues in the united states senate has set off a good deal of controversy regarding his comments, part of which he has walked back, regarding our climate. as a person that has been born and raised in florida, and witnessing the deterioration of the coast, witnessing substantial increases in flooding as late as this past weekend in miami, miami beach, hollywood, florida, or countless other places where we experience this rather substantial increase. i don't know whether it's the moon or the mountain or what's causing it and i'm not about the business of trying to get in any discussion about whether humans or anybody else cost it the fact

is it's happening. and the fact is that your committee cut the research in this arena, and i'd like to know why. each of you, if you'd be kind enough to address that i would appreciate it. >> the committee was faced with a zero-sum game. we are given an allocation, and for every dollar that we give to one place, we take away from another place. the funding for the national science foundation is at an all time high. it's never been higher. this country, we are facing decline. decline is really a choice. decline is not a destiny. we are not destined to decline but we can make a choice. we have added in mining that the president has taken away with regard to nasa. if we fall behind, the chinese

may very well be this back to the moon. the chinese may very well because to mars. we have a record funding above the administration request on human trafficking. for a young woman, or anyone to be taken in and to be exploited, so we are above there. we're above violence against women. for too long i think -- it is a zero-sum game. we tried to treat everyone as dumb as we possibly can, but at the end of the day we are given so much of an allocation and everything went to do fits into that allocation. if nasa falls behind we are in trouble. lastly we plus-up the national weather service. many people before they go to bed look at the weather to see what it is, but also many people were saved in mississippi, in in alabama, and many other parts of the nation, in oklahoma. and so we just look at the priorities based on how much

money we actually had. >> let me say like this, we are in the process in which the administration has made a proposal. the house will work its will on this bill. the senate will come forward with a proposal. so in many categories our proposal is above the administration's request. so whether it's youth mentoring or whether its brain research or whether it's national weather service or whether it's in the business development. i could go through a list of where it's above. and and our issues, cases where it's below. then there's some places where real priorities have been determined. so human trafficking has got a major increase in this bill. aeronautics safety, a major increase, people flying and the safety of the flying public. but also in this process there's a process that will emanate in a

final bill which i can tell you as we sit here, legal services corporation will be in a stronger position than it is today. when we join with the senate to have a final bill. so but there's a process where the house as a set of priorities to the house has a majority and that majority has a set of priorities, and what we been able to do here is to find a way in which you put together some democratic priorities, the republicans put up with a good bill. it's not a perfect bill and i p priorities. it's not a perfect bill. it's not a bill that others who set down would come to. the senate will pass a bill. if you look at how this is happening with legal services over it, each of these years, at the end of the day, we'll be in a better position when we came to the end of the road than at

this moment. this is a substantial improvement as we go through it now. >> i don't deny what either of you said, and i have a keen appreciation for it, and appreciate the fact that you are operating with a zero sum -- a finite amount of monies and i understand that the problem i have, and will continue to have. and while i'm appreciative with what you've done with noah, if i were on the committee, i probably would not -- out of any parochial interest but particularly important with the environment we're in, with russia and china, now having said that at the end of 2020 we won't be able to use their rocket

rockets they're inclined to not want to go forward with the effort efforts that some in the world thought were cooperative. but i come down to just the fact alone that a lot of poor people can't afford lawyers. and a lot of poor people need lawyers. therefore, i would have argued somewhere that i could find funds to come out of other areas of commerce and justice to ensure that legal services would be fully funded. i appreciate where you're coming from, i've seen that same darns. in the environment we're in i'm not sure that dance is going to

stand up to the tunes that have been played previously. i have an ongoing concern there i can't express to you the two of you, and anyone how important the coastlines of the united states of america are, not just florida, but the entirety of our coastlines, i defy any one to tell me any of them are being built up in any substantial way. when i flew out of ft. lauderdale today i looked over and able to see probably as much as i would look forth all the way past pompano beach. it's amazing how many times i've looked there and how much there has been an erosion of soil

despite all our efforts. he evidently doesn't live in miami any more, because all he has to do is be there and he will see the flooding. i don't know how it happened, but it's happening. the only way i know we can do it is with the kinds of things you all have done and researched. in other areas. i made my statement and that's my story and i'm sticking to it. >> the chairman and i voted for simpson bowles. we were in a distinct minority in the house. the reality of these allocations in not being able to meet all of the nation's priorities is because we have not come to

grips with how to rebalance the fiscal ship of the country in a way in which we can make the investment that is we need to make. we're not going to be able to lead the world on the cheek and not going to be able to protect all of the vital interest of the country unless we have the dollars at some point to do it. this is the bill that we' i understand where the two of you, i would not lay any accusing finger, or do what's necessary to help the people in this country. i just want to share with you the statistics they say prove just about anything, but to turn away from were you are and to make just brief mention of the fact that the c.o.p.s. program which also has done an awful lot of good in our communities in this country is also being cut. but just to highlight something

and begin to wonder, we dodged the issue in getting our fiscal house in order with to make a determination as to whether or not we're going to pay now or pay later. and so when the deal goes down, there are people in this country who have benefited substantially from the policies that we have enunciated here. and i'll give you an example of something that just causes me at any beyond reproach, and that is the president's proposed and several of us and doubtless both of you believe that all children in america ought to have an opportunity to have the experience of going through kindergarten. have the experience of going through kindergarten. i saw a statistic just this past weeken