i also have gotten more connections with university colleges who are carrying the book as the curriculum and that is so what rewarding and this my staff not just to talk to my cohort but the ideas of context from these experiences to share with younger people. >> is this a business administration and buck? >> the first chapter is leading in the dark with their government or the red cross leaders cannot know everything but as a have larger global organizations? >> the third is leading under a lowe's it is about

leadership for generic to any organization. >> host: with your buck "on my watch" you ask the questions i have prevented las vegas from happening? could i have changed the outcome? >> there are a couple of things about being a leader. you need to go back to assess what happened and understand but me very careful all not to deliver enough is the of would have could have should have the environment. i fully believe i was 120% doing everything i could. i am not in a position of where i will start second-guessing myself it is important to assess and understand that is not helpful.

i am not have bad person there were mistakes made. though way that leaders need to help because they will not all be perfect but how you will handle and extract lessons from mistakes that were made and move on? but that is how i think about it now. >> the lots of press reaction to the administrators involved for those bonuses that were retained well you lost your job? >> the due process in a larger context to be respected we should not have currier civil servants the way that shakes out is the individual situations there

are ways it does not look right or screwy but underneath that all the attent gen -- attention to give the people the time they needed to appeal all the things on the table against the demand by the public rightfully for immediate measurements and response around performance i looked at it in that way. the only time i had that dilemma how you move a big organization like gsa to go faster with due process with the system of rules sam protection and they can jam into each other at times it is a great dilemma. >> host: what is your next book martha johnson? >> have a bite to do another

novel and a book about what it is like for organizations and leaders after trauma or something happens to the organization and on the other side how you grow from that experience. >> host: what is deadly court press on? >> my publishers who held my hand and walked me through all washington book is not big dish short you can read it quickly it does not require a hundred pages or the 20,000 men in washington policy books are. >> host: martha johnsonwe "on my watch" this is booktv on c-span2.rgot >> every month we have a new book for the book clubs this month we have chosen themi forgotten man either the

digital addition rather i graphic editions of you would like to read alonghlae about the depression you can is tie things in today as well. the forgotten man is the book club selection for the month of june.jou go pick up the copy and join us to read as a booktv.-- speetwentythree we will see your comments and what you have to say about the forgotten man for the month of june.

>> are you ready? to have the glass of wine? >> good evening it is my great honor to be here this evening to introduce the of authors and to avoid have thought that when the internet began with the first transmission october 29, 1969 to move forward through may 2014 that each one would have between three or five at it enabled devices on us. with the intersection of the internet to of things these authors have identified what it means to be tracked through our home, internet, cars, as they move forward i am so excited to introduce to reset and ted who will give us the background of the

booking and is the case studies to make us think twice when we clinic door connect your search what does that mean for our security, privacy with the age of the internet. to reset? -- teresa? [applause] >> thank you so much for being here because you are a fred one dash a friend of ted over mine or a colleague. a major we advertise free food and free booze but you are busy people. [laughter] why we wanted to do this but what is interesting is remember a time before edward snowden which was june 1 year ago we were talking about doing this second book are you naked

online? the answer is yes. pictures we don't know the identity yes. that is far after the show. we go to the publisher of something we are very concerned about to talk about privacy in the age of data and the publisher they're here with us tonight and they said i don't think consumers care about that at all we will have a hard time to sell the book. why will they care? >> they were very nice we like you we want you to write something but not this. i said we have spent the so concerned and here is what we are concerned about and they reluctantly agreed to let us write the book so coming up on the first deadline the boston marathon

bombing have been banned if you remember there was a lot of crowds nursing to figure out who did what to apprehend the culprit. so vague talk about how it did not stop the helped with the case so now we wrap it up and go back to the publisher we need to poll the of book back a citizen this up passing headline you want to delay the book? i said this will be big trust us if he is not in it then people will not read it so long story short that is the reasoning behind excited from a technical perspective i was at the beginning of creating the analytics that

the banks know about you according to them rebuild one of the largest first comprehensive on-line data analytics platform that was part of paying to america at the time. i was a part of doing that in my a focus was to make money to get a larger share of your wallet and take care of you of course. number one. it is all about the customer. i did not think once about someone hacking to steal the data and knowing everything about you but does not mean i did not know about security but it was the mainframe implementation and i did not have to singapore worry that much. fast for word with said data collected by us and the

government scratches the service but it is business and they need to do it to make money to get the next year for a diseased to patent that part fix that my daughter got a couple of years ago so we need that big data but is woefully under protected so talking about this book my focus was how do i write a guide for consumers and businesses with the legal minds to navigate where the losses leave off but whether a business owner or executive for consumer to be engaged or enraged if you're not and some point during the book i did not do my job is that

you could do something about it to read the headline and peopled get paralysis. a couple of parts we could all the talk to your elected officials. that is why i decided the project have been to we love to talk to people as they read through the book now i will turn over to ted for his remarks. >> ultimately one of the things we said is we will be positive neither of us think we should get rid of the technology but every chapter was supposed to be here is why it is good here is where it works here is why it is important and people set up this way. and in some cases for reasons we may not like but we explore the good and bad

but then hopefully you become enraged or say it does not have to be this way. that is where we are right now that there is a lot going on as more and more happens as things become real not just the computer is in your pockets but is your jacket and we talk about that. but more and more the stationary cameras will be sending information now about you so we as the people need to make decisions how much we care about that and how much we're willing to give out and can ask legislators to say we need to know more here or have restrictions there.

a question not necessarily to do something but here are the steps you can take so we're happy to take questions. >> the other thing if you are in a hurry and don't have time to read the book you can flip through it we have free tools, tips and case studies to highlight if you don't have time to read the book cover to cover but flip through what is highlighted but the stories are interesting. we did interview the victim's we would talk to victims to put the results of the interview with their

permission in the book. we also talked about the show down tools now we have refrigerators that talk to the internet to help with your grocery order? so if you are cheerful but you can flush your toilet from your phone with bluetooth but to understand those chips that make it affordable to make it simple are not protected it has data about you like your flushing and food patterns then there is also the cameras as well. >> it is the brave new world now getting more zero or more extreme in that area. but one thing that you said

our publisher stopped us at 1.i am not sure why you use all these cases that have spent it a lawsuit. and that was fairly easy because something that people have to know about us we are secret keepers this is what we do for living so to douching dirt at the white house? that will not happen. the same thing with the end of my clients with the baking space or others we don't talk about that but when is because it is protected there is a lot out there that has reached the point that somebody has been bad enough to say about it.

there is a lot to recover because we can do that nobody can say we're taking care information. >> to talk about lawsuits without hold their area hall is that? >> you feel we need more lawyers? [laughter] >> it is interesting because i have been doing says a long time in this space so there was some responsibility but with their regular talk that i give is what are your data obligations? everybody has them 47 states have passed certain data laws and kentucky just did

for the rest of the world but it is interesting california has done things as almost halving of right to erase your passed on a social meeting if you are a teenager god forbid we ever said anything and we were embarrassed about as a teenager and posted online that is where the california legislature is coming from. >> [inaudible] >> of little bit of both that coming from the state's our good friends across the street here have been looking at this issue with 20 or 30 acts in this statute or in this space looking at year after year behalf not passed them and we have not had a broad lot to protect privacy since

1998 with specific industries but a few things have happened since then. >> the new i don't? facebook, all that has happened since we enacted the law as so unless we are incredible fortune-teller's we did not foresee how that would morphy and change. >> is changing every buddies business you have to pay attention and most of the civilized world looks at the u.s. says say banana republic when it comes to privacy because of lot of places have a and objective right to privacy we don't have that and all of it

dealing with sector specific method it that is very different for a lifting with of rest of the of world the privacy laws are much different. >> we had that from the first book not from the west said not enough for me from this country in the book so we spent quite a bit of time researching china russia turkey israel and other countries u.k. and canada to understand their views on privacy. they do draw of wind it is a little different in the u.k. for example, they see privacy as of right as relates to business is collecting data but they have no problem snapping your pitcher wherever you go so it is interesting if you are getting ready to live in

another country or do business goes through the book to look at the different differences between america and our point of view. >> but to explore what the whole world is doing to contrast and compare. >> but with that social media online? >> is a possible? >> no. probably not. [laughter] but for years the french have talked about the right to have been forgotten they were unable to enact it but if you go back to the first book there are things you

can do to clean up what you have online the social media companies will help you to a certain extent and others putting information out about you may or may not. >> here is the most important part from of a practical standpoint i don't remember all the numbers but 60 percent of people don't ever go past the first search page or 95% go - - don't go past the third if you cannot get rid of big debt least very it to. [laughter] because it is unlikely. >> by your loved ones might have something to bury someone to leave medicare -- motivated the most but not. >> including a jar and

university academic we review board. >> mothers in law. >> watch reposed on facebook. >> always. >> that is another thing i give social media ethic talks one is my big slides is don't be stupid. all lots of think before you write the tissue where publishing with the publication that is going out there maybe you can pull it back maybe not you cannot count on that. just because you pulled it back does not mean somebody else did not and to keep all public tweets. >> maybe that is of a glitch >> they are so dependent who

but not savvy? they truly believe only their friends can see it. >> believe there is the big data warehouse on the web side that is all they see when you delete it is gone for you but it is like snap chat it expires to you. i always say the only time till the to is for forever when your device crashes and you want to recover the data but not anything else. [laughter] >> but if ryan your web site to my daughter. >> one of the of really nice things about working together on these books is she has the very deep and thoughtful knowledge of the way the children use the internet and how to be

careful about that. what she has taught me that i now ostiole mercilessly is the point when a teenager thinks of their own privacy hoodies think they want to be private from? you. the parent and people they don't think of that all but they want to be private with regard to their parents. they don't care if anybody else does it. there is a lot to think about when you have kids and what it teresa has been great to speak to children's groups and parents should be booking if you have kids in this space and thinking about letting them to go on line how to monitor and work with that.

>> go lot if you are in the business community one saying to you take away is everything is have a double. i know you mean well taking data about your customers but understand it is a target and when it is stolen you could put your customer's address there is that a recent revelation about the investment company and the brokers were developing psychological profiles of their clients i can not only imagines and what it said that to identify him as rescue first and kelly as a risk taker to put them in the database now the group no longer exists but the psychological profile that every single client did was breached and

so when. think of those in your willingness to spend and invest you do not want to know. [laughter] >> thinking about the data from the database where the group did not even exist think about the responsibility that you have to your customers but with case law we talk about how that's is not there yet and the laws are not on the books yet. >> requires taking a case all the way through there is

the great pots case filed in the state of washington where it was about the mobile phone decade with the of whether app and of course, it has to know where you are or how can i tell you the weather? it was sending information every 10 minutes back to somebody? we don't know. but clinton's council came up with a great argument to say essentially that is a product defect their client never would have bought the product had they known it was reporting to who knows into every 10 minutes on their location and you could not turn off. it would be nice if we knew if that would have worked but it was quickly settled. other than just having it

filed we don't know where the law stands on that. but it will be a long time before that plays out and we know what the law means in this area civic we know that people have places to go and we will stay around to answer questions. thank you for ted and his law firm touche generously sponsored this yvette. thank you for coming tonight [applause] [inaudible conversations]

>> chris matthews autographed his book can i have been anxiously wanting to read that ever since. obviously it is a book about tip o'neill to is the speaker and ronald reagan they have diametrically opposite views but could forge a relationship to get things done the present day congress could use that device will be interested to see how that relates to the present day is an action of congress. i look forward to reading that book. also i have books that i have said mesmerized by the

fdr in anthony you deal but it is a multifaceted, book also a book called fear itself and looking at the politics how he put together this coalition end of northerners and southern conservatives set a time when communism and socialism and fascism were rising all over. then also with the new deal a book called america's sold in the balance with the of state department and i have long felt the state department and fdr himself did not do enough to rescue

the jews from the off holocaust and there is documents that show the united states could have done things such as palm the of real retracts into the gas chambers and did not do it because the war effort was taking center stage and they did not want to deviate from that. that is another perspective of the new deal. . .

this is a present given to me along with an ipad because i'm tired of having to ask my children what do i do so maybe if i read these books at a nice leisurely pace i will be able to know when i touch it i will be able to get back.