and entitlements and private philanthropy in order to sustain itself. wrong. the study was done by johns hopkins university's civil society center and what they found is over half of the revenue bond for profit organizations are fees for the services rendered. only 34, 35% comes from the government just less than the government gives the industry and only 12% is philanthropy. so we have a collaborative comment that is now going to move from the shadows to the centerstage because of the internet of things is going to allow millions of people to bypass part of the capitalist market and become prosumers and share their own goods and services committee eliminated middlemen and indeed with each other and create institutions that are by far and away beyond the traditional capitalist profit-making institution. they are going to be two syste systems. i suspect by the mid century they will probably be the

dominant economic engine. >> host: so they help the firefighters -- >> guest: that's the good thing about the cooperatives. and what they are going to be doing with their members they can't fix those to some extent. i am not saying that the whole world is going to move towards the zero marginal cost to society but i was saying large parts of the human race are starting to move some of their economic activity onto the collaborative commons. and if nothing else, this is the best news in my lifetime i never thought in my lifetime that we would see the emergence of the new economic system. so how we develop at all of the challenges involved and we move towards it are quite interesti

interesting. we have a new economic journey ahead of us in the system to look forward to is quite encouraging and getting there is going to be a test of our wealth but going back to the 20th century in the world that is unequal where the rich are getting rich and the climate change is spoiling the planet isn't a viable alternative so let's move this to the zero marginal cost and move to the commons and creative societ crey society. >> host: jeremy rifkin author of the zero marginal cost societsociety, thank you for ths conversation. >> guest: thank you. >> that was after words in which authors of the latest nonfiction books are interviewed by

journalists, public policy makers, legislators and others familiar with their material. "after words" airs every week about booktv of 10 p.m. on saturday, 12 and 9 p.m. on sunday and 12 a.m. on monday. you can also watch online. go to booktv.org and click on "after words" in the book tv series and topics list on the upper right side of the page. >> what you find from the corporate sites typically are the things that would appeal to the broadest audience but are generally perceived as the most profitable and the most profitable being the key thing. so if we are going to share the things that really enrich us all that we are going to have to help do that is because the large corporations simply will

not do it and it isn't in their interest to do it and they don't have the capacity to do it with one of the things lacking is our willingness on platforms. ..

>> >> it is less than and 50. talking about the number of bookstores for a black person in this country it is numbers like 800,000 / one. alabama does not have one? trading the civil-rights movement? i just don't feel this anchor anywhere.

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>> founded by brigham young in 1857 in salt lake city but the one to become the capital of the new state of utah the third state to allow women to go to. known as the city of saints solely city is home to the mormon tabernacle choir that still has strong ties to the more mature age as well as a native tribal cultures. with the help of comcast cable partners will learn about its history and the literary scene with local authors. we begin our special feature with jana richman on her motorcycle ride along the mormon trail. >>host:. >>guest: i decided to travel the mormon trail to try to answer questions about my past that i had been exploring recently. i left the mormon church and i was quite young late teenager years but prior to

that it was more of a social thing for me. i grew up in a small utah at towns of france are part of the mormon church it was just part of the social fabric. but when i left high school i left the church and many decades later in my four days and i started to question that and explore my culture and explore my roots and ask resolve questions like why do i have these opinions and think the way i do or act the way i do and water my values? and back to the roots of the mormon church i am s6 generation mormon. so i really wanted to discover what was it that i walked away from so easily? my mother is devoutly mormon anchorage just to go to church but my father was the head of the household no doubt.

my parents had a busy of a strained marriage all around the church. my mother loved the church and it was her whole life. after they got married maya father forbade my mother from wearing her temple gardens and pulled her away from the church. and that was shocking for her. for many years she did not go to church even though she wanted to but she did not and one day she simply stood up to him and said i am going back to the church and that is where she found her liberation as of waldman. that is what i explored and that was so fascinated how could she find her liberation and a patriarchal

institutions like the mormon church? and her sisters are very strong and independent women that i was inspired by. and about the mormon. that seemed in it congruent that is part of what i wanted to explore all of this trip of the mormon trail to explore in the book. something about doing it on a motorcycle that put me closer to the trail. i don't want to say it made me closer to walk the trail of my great great grandmother because they went through such hardship and it is unbelievable. one was pregnant. but i don't want to say my heart ships were anything like that. they were not. but somehow on the bike you are closer to the

road, elements, fields. i had to think about the things they had to think about. the weather, dangers, bugs, . [laughter] drove conditions and all of that. i tried to use day as close to the trail on terror roads -- and dirt roads but something on a motorcycle that phelps it would push me out of my comforts last fall as the woman to get a closer to understanding of the faith they had to the exhibit to walk that trail. i started from illinois then came west. i did not go back all the way from new york. but that is where the third founder of the church was assassinated they had to

establish the church there then started to have trouble and basically they were run out of town. ahead is really where the mormon trail all stars the exodus where they start to come west from there. my great great great grandparents were there with joseph smith. then they started west on the trail with the party of brigham young so i wanted to follow that as closely as i could. i went places for you could see the of by corrupts in the rock. i was alone in almost all of those places. very much as spiritual trip for me to be in the places where my ancestors had gone.

literally had been there martin scope was one of those places my great great grandmothers her son died along the way so margins cove was one of those places that i wind. -- went. not seen the stories but a feeling of places that the trip gave me to sit and field of cool breeze that they must have felt sitting in that same plays the theory and questioning. what i question the lot on the trail was there face. how did they haying on to their faith? was what the racing?

-- facing it is not something that we get and hold. so i find myself thinking about the question of face. i did a lot of research before i left to go on the trip and after i came back. one thing that happened while i was on the trip is i was overwhelmed and really touched by the kindness of the people i've met. for example, i was walking around and stopped it one of the church buildings and though woman said she was giving me directions to just hop in the car i will give you a ride down there. wherever i went people were

so kind to me and healthful. even at the archives they were so kind and helpful. i started to ask myself what did you leave behind when you left behind these churches and these people? they all reminded me of my mother and her sisters really wonderful and compassionate people. also whenever questioned my leaving the theology of the church but along the trail i questionably -- constantly question believing that group of people but i was curious about the women in the church but i felt it was

extremely patriarchal and very suppressive for women so i was surprised to find out with men held a lot of power at 1.in time. but they had a very strong role calling to medical school, and getting degrees degrees, so it does the history of the minister of. that is no longer the case. no greasy about 100 years after that we saw all the power from the women from the of mormon church.

but now we see a resurgence of a young mormon women. to say we want more power in the church and we want to wear pants. and their group of women asking for the priesthood. i don't know how successful they would be but good for them for asking. but it's for me as a woman it felt oppresses so i left. i was curious why don't those women just leave? they don't. they stayed there in and fight for their rights. that is great. the of a trail amata big impact with the way i thought about the church but at the same time did not

change my position. traveling the trail gave me an understanding of my mother's position but one thing i did know when i finish traveling the trail that is undeniably a mormon and that will not change. my values were formed by that it is so much of 2:00 a.m. all morgan is this place. i did not consider myself a mormon in a morbid everything i am is more men.

my editor sat across from me and said something is missing. i said i don't know what's. she said your fog you have not mention him at all. i said he is not really a part of the book. she said i bet he is. [laughter] so i went back and explored my relationship with my father because it is very much a part of why i left the church was his attitude to growing up. i started to explore my relationship with my father and he was not happy with that. he read the book after it came out. he did not speak to me for two years after that. i let my a mother read the book before was published.)e?2w

she came down to arizona i gave her the book to read i came to work i came home she was in a puddle of tears and she said you got it exactly right. i was relieved to hear that because a lot of it is about her in her relationship with the church and my father. i was nervous about her reading the book because it exposed very much of her private life. she said you got it exactly right. i feel good about it. to have her blessing matter did great deal. i usually don't let anyone read my work other than people who give feedback for my editors before publishing but it mattered to me. but as a rope this book i think one of the reasons it is an exploration of faith

not necessarily mormon faith but what is it mean to any of us. and what does it mean? i am not necessarily talking about a christian faith in god but lock on a day-to-day basis whether in a religion or humanity whenever it is. as i wrote the book is a universal appeal beyond the question and i have people say touche may. i understand more men andism the way i did not before but how how do we live with mormon andism and away that makes us question faith?

>> i don't recall a time in my life i was not immerse and books i don't know if i was a child you could say i was in the rare book business but i was assessed with comic books as a kid in grade school. so i would hustle and trade and barter and by one for a nickel and so live for a dime even in grade school. not for the idea to buy and sell but to get more for my collection. the bookstore we hear it now on -- we are in now we discovered my daughter and i moved in here 17 years ago. we are offered books every single day. most days be pie between a few dozen and a few hundred although i can definitely

get out of control when buying books. i did a recent house call one month ago and i bought about 4,000 books in a technique of week to call them all. the physics of little to bring in 10 times more books than i sell will catch up with me and the whole place will seek into the swamp underneath. justin empty vacant whole. well over 95 percent of the material offered we turn down. the single biggest reason is conditioned. you can have a $1,000 both the import condition to get $100 of it is difficult if it is incomplete or falling apart. we don't get there it is the hardest thing to learn if you are a collector but condition is the most important thing.

and does general public from your own perspective from the 1900 unless you talk about those printed prior to 50 no one it has nothing to do with value just what we have been talking of gentleman showed the old family bible from 150 years ago and they are worthless but people think they are treasures because it is over 100 years old but has to be valuable? we have been printing and producing valuables for more than five centuries. the best selling book in the world at this point i have

given up creatively to tell them their family bible have more sentimental value to them than intrinsic value in the marketplace people live bringing unusual and unique box doesn't happen every day but it does happen to be in the book trade is something that you did for to see something you have never seen before that is what this is all about. it has happened in the number of times. probably one of the most memorable is the obscure mormon book called the book of commandments 1833 precursor to one of the three mormon box of doctrine with the book of mormon 1830 is the first the second is the 1835 tortured covenants a precursor to the dnc

called the of book of commandments destroyed by an angry anti-mormon mob and the repressive the pages and the type were thrown out the window and the story is of a mormon girls gather of the pages and hid in the cornfield the surviving pages are made up from those blown away pages. to date when ended 70 years later and the majority of those copies are in complete. as a man and his wife came in many years ago at the old store before this one sold 20 years ago.

and he had three books for what his dad had given him from a little drawer all ldds books, mormon one plus the 1833 book of commandments. i said i don't want to get your hopes up but i need to make sure it is authentic but if that were it was a six-figure book. he left the store. a couple of days later he came back with his father that was incredulous and i said again i have to authenticate. it is worth over $100,000 i research and made certain and it turns out it was only 60% complete but then we sold it that many years ago

for a couple of hundred thousand dollars. the book of commandments today is there wrist mormon book worth well over $1 billion. >> i founded a flea market upstate new york i don't know much about and a book to the bottom line i could not find much information. it could be german is seemed to feature the same guy. it was cool looking i bought it for $2. >> this book is the 1928 first edition in german of the masterpiece. it is in beautiful condition. the value retail would be between 1,000 and $1,500. >> "antiques roadshow" eight years ago this is my eighth

or ninth season with them them, 1997 was the first. this was the second time they had come to salt lake city. the producer called me on the phone and interviewed me about being a book and manuscript appraiser provide have been calling around to find someone to do this because they learn to from the first time in salt lake they needed to have someone on board that knew something about mormon material. there are three appraisers and antiques roadshow appraises approximately 25 categories may be 70 or 80 appraisers per city maybe they get 6,000 pairs of tickets. collectively we will see 12,000 items possibly and

collections. most of it is run-of-the-mill remarkable material that is never going to be film to. so day to day in the stories you just live for somebody to sit down that has some extraordinary item that you know, something about between the two you can have a conversation and tell a story and that is so much fun. some guests can be very difficult but the vast majority are absolutely wonderful and our understanding. you mean i will not be on tv? i learned early on fear is no percentage of arguing with a guest on the line -- antiques row told the bad things come of it.

i find a work around. i had a teenage boy one time who had a paperback of "to kill a mockingbird" first edition in 1962. of little knowledge is a dangerous thing but he was absolutely right to the famous novel was published 1962 that is the correct first edition rather than to explain the first edition is a hardback book i said you were right to so open up your book campbell kept a copy rate to on ashley copyright page 1962 below that publish 1973. now i have gotten him to verbalizes so he is on my

side. this is this 73 edition and by the way this is paperback the first edition was hardbound in a dust jacket would only have the 1962 date so that way i get out of arguing with a cast. let me say this about antiquarian book selling we live in a far distant corner of the universe that almost no one in habits. whether institutional librarians, private collectors ordeal and trade in books we are a tiny minority of increasing in population in this country you either like books or not. book people and it takes the most eccentric people of the

world any of us could 42 teachers with trivial information about the arcane subject that could not possibly be of interest to anyone but ourselves. and there is just quirky personalities. i don't know if we tendç to be good people but people spend a lot of time in their own heads and almost everything i know in my life is from books also direct experience but books are still the world that i'd like to live-in ♪

♪ ♪ >> we wanted to build a very iconic structure for the city as anchors the downtown area because other city blocks are smaller this building would not fit in other urban areas because of that crescent wall that sweeps around said is very elegant and very large and eye-catching. the openness and ability it is a great place to be. one thing we like about the design of moshe safdie he

combined a 62ikq 9q geometric features the triangular part, they're around auditorium that sits on the side, a rectangular structure on the west and the cresson told that hugs the of library on the north end of the east side and olivetti's geometric features are bridged with skylights so light flows through the building and in total 360-degree view of our surroundings the city and the mountains and the area. >> has a lot of unique features in it was geared to being a kennedy space and the community wanted shops. so along the extra wall with the urban river is a large atrium we have a lot of shops and services. a hair salon which is unique

for a library, a gift store that is geared toward literary against it, a flower shop, an art gallery as you walk three you will notice calling from floor to floor it gets quieter which is a design of the building. the main atrium is geared to bring people altogether to let them hang out and have the conversation so there is public seating where people can spend the day to gravel of a cup of coffee. in the first floor soft seating in to grab a magazine or check out the music collection or just hang out as a launching area but moving up it gets quieter. all along the walls where the windows are on the north

anybody that sits there that wants to study or be on the internet they have been an amazing few to see the downtown area. >> the other architectural features we gave the team is a challenge to find a way to pay tribute to the old library that sits next to us we did not want to feel that we would turn our back and they found a way to do that with the idea of that climb double crescent wall came about. people can up the sell side leaving the past to walk up to reach the rooftop garden that that was a nice metaphor.

preplanned the building at the right time. we figured it would cost $65 million. to build the building of similar square footage now would be twice that amount. pre-did not want it to come from private donations we truly wanted to be a truly public building to get the of public support so we spent two years asking the public what they wanted the friends of the library was instrumental to plug its on the ballot to ask for the tax increase with the levy on property taxes to raise the of money to build the structure just came in at just over $65 billion. the bond was at 85 million and was passed at 68% which is remarkable. other cities have tried

bonding for the libraries and failed time and time again but salt lake was very supportive from the inception. >> it is vital for communities to have a library that brings people together. in this space it was skier to to bring the community together. the way it is played out across two city blocks and now three city blocks where the public safety building is to the east in the city council building to the west so encompasses three fall city blocks that we call this of the campus which is the space for the community tear get together for five, a lot of rallies are held on the space on opportunity to remember the things that hold the city together the public safety officers that they all work

together to build a city and that we have done that physically >> where are the children? >> recess. >> i have been trying to get somebody down here for weeks. they is open from this side door on the hall. >> the keys? every morning to a head count the dead you call that number for staff flinches and a spare lynch's you have to throw away there is no

principle or counselor some discipline is entirely up to you. turn the lights off four show a movie. nobody likes their name on the board. >> i graduated with a degree in elementary education. to tell the truth that was not trying to teach right away ahead children and was the middle of the school year but my husband and my mother talked me into it just to get the your paperwork done and to my surprise the did offer me a job and offered me the most unusual job in the entire district let alone the state. i was offered the job i was called k through six inside the shelter for homeless families. i was asked to teach in a

one-room school with the idea of the emergency education to make sure the children who lived in the shelter the families had no other worries that the children but have public education on site so the moms and dads could work on the other issue of housing. my first day was terrifying. the personnel director said he will go underneath the bridge as ours to king and -- as far as you can then you will see the school. the first day i went down the wrong side of the street and there it was i could just see 12 boxcars then a huge shed. i said i am on the wrong side of the street that i noticed the 11 year-old boy

that jumped out he ran in front of my car and tied his shoes so i said i am looking for a school. he just glared at me with the most amazing hatred. one of the dads would of been in to my window trying to get my attention and that was my first exposure to what i would be doing. jim was the dad had of big long beard that he had as a big chunk of scrambled egg. i screamed. i was terrified. he ran around but i panicked

he asked if i was okay i said no. he said you the new teacher? i've pointed to lie so badly. but he pointed to the shed and said this is your school. can i help you? i parked the car and i handed him my case and my leather purse and my wire baskets because my friend settled good teachers carry a wire basket. i had on my navy blue suit and my tights and by pumps and they said who hired you? i was a proper a little 23 ruled school teacher who had no knowledge of what i was getting into. can i teach you to work with the people who live on the

streets? we became fast friends walking into the classroom that day i had stacey bess cheers, a 15 desks and 37 students. and i panicked. i said what will redo we turned garbage cans over and put clipboards on it and we made in due. the first day was very scary but i remember walking that night after putting my head on my desk crying and crying and i am already falling in love with these kids. i stayed 11 years because of that. the children at the shelter were fascinating. strong-willed, incredibly empathetic, there were so hungry to be children there

were tired of worrying about the adult were raised. when i would come to work in them or disfavor be piled up waiting for me to unlock the door but they would run into that car when i would pull up to say she is here. not because i was remarkable but i was here and the representation of childhood. they loved it and the parents loved it which was even more beautiful. the philosophy was of i can teach mom and dad the value of education if they can come in to see it feels good then they will set the alarm to get the child up. so for the most part the students were behind because of the transient nature of their education. always worried me in the

earlier parts of my career there would come with no record i would have to devise testing what they understood and what they didn't to start from there. but today's plan each school follows this same concept to know what they were or where they needed to go third and fourth and fifth graders could not read having nothing to do with intellectual abilities sort bernie disabilities and clearly it was some kids but it was because of the transient nature because i could teach them to read in six weeks and their parents were amazed if they would just stays stable between six weeks and 90 days the child could learn to read.

>> state literacy please. sit down in your chair. thank you. my name is miss bass and i am your new teachers. >> there were quite a few that stood out in my book i call him zachary he was the same boy fed kneeled in front of my car that day was powerful he was turning 12 and commanded every petty in cub room. of fascinated me because he was not a big kid but say things like on my first day to show the up painting may be the second day in the middle of showing the ballerinas he stands up to say recess and the whole

class leaves. i am watching him out to recess thinking you are incredible. you literacy could lead anybody watching him walk over to moms and dads who were holding babies having cigarettes to bring the babies to me. day after day feat toddlers during recess or help them. it was a little bit appeared to me every day he would give real look that you don't belong here or he would say go home we don't need you. but i had had it one day i said get in my room we are talking he sat at my desk and put his cowboy boots on my table. why don't you like me? what is it? he said i really don't like women.j9-ññr

you have to help me so he talked further in told me a tragic story that his mom had left him but kept the rest of the kids and he was devastated. everytime i attach to a woman in my building or cares about me we have to leave her because dad and i move and i will not trust you but i can say you are a good teacher but don't be my friend. i was so disturbed by said to my husband what do i owe this kid he is powerful, smart, a good-looking, why should i focus on? my daughter said you be the lady that never leaves him. so i stayed for him.

so that kids repeat the cycle with their families i stayed until he graduated from high school and he came back as a young man and volunteered and he lived with us for a little while in my home and talk my boys how to play basketball and turned out to be a tender young man and all he wanted was consistency. somebody to follow through. i had written the first book and asking so many times to come train teachers after counseling with my family and my district and superintendent they said please do what you have to do. if you can reach more teachers and kids then to let.

i wanted more kids i did not want to drag any more children through my career but it was devastating to my own children when i left because mom, don't leave the kids. please. what will they do? eleven years was a long time. i learn things i will never turn in their regular public setting. it was "nobody don't love nobody" great years of my life and i had a new plan clearly to follow after that. after the movie aired on cbs i had my laptop up on the kitchen counter and i was message i was making breakfast i've read a message and the tears started to flow my youngest said what is the matter? i have beautiful little girl

in my classroom she is now up mommy and wrote to me and she said i saw the movie last night i was one of your students and i want you to know the movie told the truce. i paused peaches and wanted to be freed what the truce was you did always tell us how smart as we were and we could be somebody. i am starting my degree in field biology and i want you to know you did convince me i was smart. you could not pay me enough to your duplicate those emotions that knowledge that they did that for that kid. that they had the ability to be anything. my biggest worry for the public's understanding of what poverty is they think

these people just want to work and that was not true. we had a lot of single moms and single dads who could not afford daycare or transportation and clearly could not afford housing and raising children. simple things that makes sense when its u.s. the time to understand. the between those who have been don't because we don't take the time to understand we don't take the time for people who are not like us and that is a shame. we have so much to offer. believes each other and family that has stability and housing those of us that have housing we need to

occur as opportunities to serve and reach out and that makes us better people and it makes us grateful. >> "prisoner of zion" is a collection of non-fiction story is that i wrote somewhat wrapped around the theme of trying to figure out the proper response to terrorism but i believed in the beginning if we struck back militarily it would only make things worse. i was pretty sure of that from growing up in salt lake city with the mormons with the history of basically persecution of mormons and how they responded it only

made them stronger. and in number. that would be the response if we start back militarily. with muslims of that part of the world and data on think anybody would disagree there are tears that pose a greater threat to about a september 10th if i have the ear of the president and members of congress i would say leave them alone which is the same advice that the captain gave to the

secretary of war a court topographical engineer came out to map the greats salt lake to figure out what would have been with the mormons to figure of another way to deal with them a lot of people in the united states wanted to wipe them out to get rid of the problem early on because they concede they were growing quite quickly and they wanted to do get rid of them. it was of a problem from what i have read everybody in the country was talking about it because this is on the way to the fields. salt lake city is the way you go to the fields so

along the transit route to brigham young was busy to set up like his own kingdom basically what we call the great basin would be another country with its own government they're not intending to live in the united states but they weren't seceding united states had some problems with that. they sent an army to force the of mormons into submission to start a war because they did not want to except federal control so when it came down what would be a more. so there were problems since the beginning so they wrote

a report to washington d.c. leaving them severely of loan and to realize eventually that the profit is just as human beings they will grow tired to give all their money to it. mormons were communist. they will grow tired of it and realize democracy is a superior form of government compared to a theocracy as they were a theocratic society at that time. but if you pressure them even if they only think they are persecuted then that holds true with the muslims around the world who are upset with us now.

>> i arrived and afghanistan the 20th of november 2001 the point was to write a story to give people an idea what it was like to live there to be in afghanistan. not so much news or political events but to get people what is afghanistan mike? most people don't know i met some taliban prisoners who were riddled with shrapnel all over their body with little 1 inch diameter holes for the shrapnel had gone and very clean burning and it seals up hygienic face strangely enough but there were in bad shape and i would ask them why did you come here from pakistan? because our religious leaders told us to fight the

great state of america. i said how did that go? they looked at me like i was a jerk and it didn't go very well did it? would you do it again i asked? they both said yes. they may have died of a few days after that. they were hanging on when i talked to them but that blew me away that they were down in this basement that had been bombed and burned to and flooded but they would still do we began. that the religious leaders told us to do it again way would i don't think americans to go to afghanistan safely for two or 300 years because they take revenge very seriously

in afghanistan and is part of the culture. revenge and hospitality either they will invite you to your home to do a thing to protect you or killing q over multiple generations into the future if not then their sons will kill you or their sons will kill you and that is what it would be like for of long time, multiple generations. what should we do with we cannot strike back militarily? what do we do instead? of three respond to the terrorist threat? i did not know the answer for a long time but i just knew somebody should think about it and talk about it. then i remembered of scene or story in fantasia about the sorcerer's apprentice with mickey mao his job is

to carry water into the castle and thus sorcerer takes a nap and "the apprentice" opens the book to cast a spell on a broom. it becomes like a slave that carries water for "the apprentice." he thinks it is great to he falls asleep and has dreams of grandeur to become king of the universe but then have as a treatment to rounding under water but then the castle is flooded because the brim slave has not stopped carrying water. it just keeps going. so with freaks out and tries to reverse the spouse and then picks up and ask -- and acts to chop into pieces and every piece turns into another brim to carry water so now he has 10,000

broughams carrying water into the castle. that is very similar to the situation now. minister tuesday about what did he do wrong? this sorcerer wakes up and reverses the us powell and everything is okay. . .