hard to take the street to gain with respect to the civil-rights cases with the police brutality cases interruption are the important part of the civil rights investigation and priority as you may have seen people from the shares offices and las angeles. >> the time has expired. >> i said the name incorrectly. i wanted correct in the record. the name would be robbie tolan. >> the chair recognizes himself.

thank you director for your testimony suggesting the fbi is probating the scandal of the veterans affairs. >> yes. the phoenix office is. >> i would encourage you to probe that. to cds end up with of attention to be held accountable. in terms of benghazi and perpetrators at this point to find them to bring them to justice at this point? >> in any case all instruments are brought to bear. >> render standing you don't have that legal authority for whoever you want to uc

committed. is that your understanding? >> i don't want to talk about how i approach that investigation and don't want to get anything away. >> that we've run into a problem that they them have the authority to respond but what happens is leading up to that? there was no congressional authorization for that. but somehow he would not have the authority to seek a reprisal attack that does not square with me to seems there would be the intervention with the weaker case especially given in 2001. the reports the fbi had noticed we starting to use

the islamic militants to wage jihad and syria and the report a couple weeks ago about a suicide bomber from fort pierce florida from syria. but to wage jihad with those types of people of those in the homeland. to with those affiliated groups and to get the worst kind of training to develop the worst kind of relationships because they are americans to do very bad things here.

not just the fbi but all parts of the west's governments. >> what tools do you use is not committing an act of violence? how do look to stop them? material support statute? you want to get them before they strike. >> all of the above. typically tweet charged with attempting to give support to a an organization or providing support but frankly we will use anything we can to become further radicalized. >> with the conservative film maker that is writing critical books about obama and the movie and the can play -- cnn campaign finance

that they were reimbursed and i think that context the decision to charge him criminally the fbi had to put out a statement that came across to a routine review but i thank you know if you review the report with the name or the donation there would be no indication he would have a you reimbursement steady with a routine review that does not seem to be sufficient to trigger that type of inquiry so how could that routine review of the ftc filing wednesday to the inverse -- reimbursement indictment? >> i can imagine in a circumstance where coming from a similar business or connected to a person could

see to the inquiry that could look at that the nation in scheme but i don't know that case well enough. >> there will be families who will donate if that is enough to trigger thank you would see more and more cases brought criminally. it is not your decision but i would like to explore that with you further in private. my time is expired. >> we now have the gentlelady from washington. >> thank you for your time and service we have been deeply disturbed by the revelations of misconduct that the veterans' medical facilities the department continues to report with the inspector general and they are looking and 69 facilities.

i want to understand will they look more broadly going beyond the phoenix issue? with those resources that they think are important with the investigation? >> it isn't something i can answer at this point i don't think i would it away with a criminal investigation but we will follow wherever the facts take us we opened it there because that was the primary focus of the original allegations but we are working with the v.a. i gm will follow the facts. >> it is the important issue. the white house release the findings of the big data review one of the recommendations was congress should amend the electronic communications privacy act to assure the level of

digital content is consistent as with physical material but that was written in a time before e-mail change the way we live and work and the current log gives projections for a filing cabinet. but the administration has recognized the law is very agitated and do you agree we need to update the policy? >> license is the administration has communicated that. there is the outdated distinction of the bill under 180 days in theory you could obtain without a search warrant we don't treated that way we get a search warrant in a matter how old saw that would not have any effect on our practice i have heard the concern and it makes sense. >> we have an e-mail privacy act h.r. 1852 to make

updates to address the issue to require law enforcement to obtain a warrant to gain access of the content for those stored in the cloud and has 216 co-sponsors. i also want to echo concerns from my colleagues felt the bureau's work of human trafficking. these are horrendous crimes we have seen operations cross-country to recover juvenile and young adults through prosecution and that is commendable but not to how to make dead-end to and the prevalence is staggering so are there tools to combat

online trafficking and what are the challenges that you face what can you do to help that? >> wheat looking at the investigations online so people do that as we speak. of one of the challenges is the increased use of encryption especially those who would harm children to say it is terrible they want to break encryption but no its not with lawful authority and involvement of the courts i need to do that but it is of a technical challenge that is increasingly difficult to. the back page issue is challenging because there is certain first amendment issues but i don't want to

say more at this point. >> thank you for your time. >> led chair recognizes himself for five minutes. as my colleagues have indicated we appreciate you being here and we have something in common we're both graduates of the college of volume and mary i graduated 75 perhaps at the end of the hearing we get a quick shot to send it to the alma mater. [laughter] >> we used to be the indians and tell it became politically incorrect. >> but now we are the tribe. >> club mythological figure. >> so i am told. >> in any event will come.

first of all, to bring up again i have to hearings going on at the same time but relative to the china hacking and church is recently in those military hackers and economic espionage and in particular it is slander standing alkyl love and westinghouse and others were targeted by the military hackers. also the chairman on the foreign affairs committee so with the particular interest in the us with the persistence of cyberspeenine etch if you could relate briefly with the guests -- the fbi is doing about that

and we'll be introducing legislation in the future but one thing is calling for the fda -- fbi to expand the warnings they are now giving to american companies how they are susceptible to cyberattacks and other types of attacks with the u.s. peace drive -- u.s. me and we look forward to working ways you and your people with head a modification we would welcome your cooperation in that effort to. >> as i tried to explain there of the two types of big companies those who have been hacked and those that

don't know they have been hacked. [laughter] it is enormous problem they try to steal everything that is not nailed down or maybe that is so we give nationals cyberinvestigative task force to track the intrusions the we have to get better to share information with the private sector because they move that the speed of light behalf to get better to facilitate private entities because they will see things before we do and that is a huge part of the answer by it is the dermis feature of the cyberwork that the fbi does. >> thank you. we know china is probably the overs factor is there a handful of others we need to be wary of? >> sure. the internet is a very

dangerous neighborhood there is a stack of bad actors to terrorist groups organized criminal groups because where our lives are that is are bad people come. it is a very complex challenge. there are other states actors and i sure want to point the mound in the open hearing but you can guess. >> in those 48 seconds this has been brought up of relative to the irs targeting searching groups i represent cincinnati that was the location of the irs facility that was most directly involved with the initial talk about or

correct me if i am wrong it is still under investigation but we help and expect the fbi to give this full consideration to get to the bottom to prevent this from happening again. >> the gentleman from new york is recognize. >> they give for that tremendous service we have a gun violence problem in this country that should shock the conscience of every single american and. we have 5% of the world's population of 50 percent of the world's tons estimated there are more than 275 million guns in circulation some of which in the hands of criminals or

the mentally ill. also since the tragedy in newtown connecticut and more than 14,000 live in what had hit having killed since newtown. in more than 70 school shootings with that gun violence of radiate to do everything possible to thwart the growing issue. >> i have devoted my entire career to deal with efforts to reduce gun related violence so whenever we can

do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals is worth doing. >> i respect the opinion you articulated you don't feel it is appropriate to to comment on legislative measures that congress could undertake that we all acknowledge is a significant threat to this country to our health and well-being but what can you provide in terms of recommendation what congress could do to deal with the issue of gun violence in a more robust fashion? >> with respect to the fbi you are right the policy questions are not to opine that we have to get better to get the records into the

background check to allow the gun dealers with a significant issues which is the challenge across the country. >> garett may we're not doing anything possible coming with the $275 million to find themselves and then hands of individuals to commit acts of violence who might to our children or the people of america harm. you are familiar with the economic espionage act? with that economic benefit of foreign entities.

>> was the vehicle used to recently charged agents of the chinese government? >> is of particular case of the cybercase stemming the counter intelligence division has jurisdiction tear prosecute the trade secrets? is that correct? >> both with the counterintelligence division. >> it is my understanding the number of trade secrets theft and cases increase between 2009 and 2013. but there was a recent report at the national counter intelligence executive that losses to the economy from trade secret theft is tens or hundreds of

billions her your. on dash per year. >> that is the huge numbers. >> given the the of massive nature of those posed by trade secrets is important to make sure your agency has the resources necessary to combat this issue but there is no companion civil statutes to provide u.s. companies with the opportunity on a civil track to deal with trade secrets theft. would it be reasonable to consider an additional weapon in the toolbox to empower those united states companies. >> i don't know enough to

respond but the fullers the toolbox of better. >> the gentleman from rhode island is recognized for five minutes then this is the final question this morning. >> i want to build on the question about gun violence. and regrettably we seem to be working and congress is committed to do nothing about it. but because of the of leadership of project exile the programs that became a national model to invest since the efforts to reduce gun violence and risk project safe neighborhoods to build upon the work is the effective program but we

did provide funding but looking at funding of $8.5 million that barely failed but whether or not it should include investments for project safe neighbors. >> i am not in a position to do comment on the particular budget matter but it is hugely important. in my experience criminals can change behavior with respect to guns they gave no more thought to use of a gun than what shoes he wore a but our goal is to make that the object of focus because most common set -- homicides are happenstance the assassination is a disagreement so it is important to change behavior

with those messages. >> you have a responsibility with jurisdiction over a wide range to combat the violence and the fbi overseas the system. you should not apply in about policy but you have a responsibility to enact a policy which enhances public safety. i assume you would agree that for every purchase of the firearm that captured or prevented criminals would enhance public safety and national security. >> anytime you can keep the gun out of the hands of the criminal you have done a good thing spinning so we require criminal background checks. >> that is where you cross. i am not a policy maker the

attorney-general decides that. >> of criminals don't get guns. >> but similar way to prevent those letters seriously mentally ill to have of firearm ought to be prevented from fire are -- purchasing a fire arm and the best way is a robust system for accurate information is reported from purchasing a firearm. >> recognize a that vast majority are not violent but talk about that category of individuals what is the fbi doing in conjunction with state efforts to ensure they share that information accurately put into the

national database preventing people with serious mental illness from purchasing firearms? >> communicating constantly to our state partners to tell them what records we can accept and what form it is useful but the job lies with the state's to get their act together that there is the vibrant dialogue between my people that runs the background check system and to help the flow. >> this is the critical issue for our country looking at the most recent examples of terrible gun violence caused by some serious mental illness that should not have access to the fire arm. >> thank you for your testimony. >> we have no more questions so this concludes the hearing and without

objection have five days to submit written questions we are adjourned. they accuse. [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] >> we will welcome the jade johnson to the judiciary committee for the first oversight hearing as department of homeland security for the record we're starting late because we had a roll-call vote on the floor. both senator and grassley and i wanted to call the eight members. but for the past seven months secretary johnson has led an agency that play is of vital roles to provide disaster relief and to ensure cybersecurity also as

the price irresponsibility to implement to enforce the immigration laws that he has acknowledged is broken. one year ago the committee came together after weeks of deliberation. weave it into the evening to pass bipartisan legislation and then head debates on the senate and pass it in the senate with a bipartisan majority to unite families, to help the economy and from grover norquist on said it would give a huge boost to the economy to protect the borders. we knew the last year the cost was too great team and members of this committee of

the full senate passed historic legislation of this system worthy of american values. but the house leadership refused to act. . . young children seeking a better live houston facilities at the border.

even this morning's news showed pictures of that. the pictures are shocking. so are the numbers. 6560 unaccompanied children across the borders. some younger even than my youngest grandchildren and those numbers are now skyrocketing. justin last seven months nearly 50,000 children have already been apprehended. that number will likely double before the end of 2014. more children then -- present oak obama has said this is an urgent humanitarian situation i agree. it's overwhelming the agency is responsible for these children through. the senate passed immigration bill would address this issue. it would address how it should take that bill up immediately. i'm deeply concerned the

conditions and the treatment of other immigrant detainees especially those who are sexually assaulted while in custody. when congress passed the leahy cretul violence against women reauthorization act last year including a provision designed to prevent sexual violence at dhs facilities and i think the department for issuing compliance regulations. i look forward to hearing about the changes underway to stop the abuse. reports of border agents using deadly force. agents have been assaulted with rocks and responded to deadly force 43 times and there have been 10 deaths. one who received a death sentence was josé rodriguez a 16-year-old boy who was shot multiple times including in the back of his head. he should not have thrown a rock but he should not have been shot

20 months later the investigation of the boy's death is still without resolution. the border patrol's recently released a policy handbook and help personnel should respond to threats. we need more transparency. we need more timely resolution so families involved can have closure and agents can have better training. human cost for broken immigration system is a powerful economic cost i have long championed eb-5 regional center programs because the job creation potential for vermont in other states. senator sessions is joining my on that. it is done with no cost to the american taxpayer. absent congressional apps -- permanent the program's potential is unlimited. the visa process to undermine economic development where it's needed most.

can slow down the program's growth and interinvestments out i urged consideration of eb-5 applications. the status quo is not an option. it's not sustainable for our families or our economy for national security. the humanitarian crisis we now face is the latest reminder on why house republicans must act as we did in the senate a year ago. republicans and democrats came together to fix our broken immigration system. we waited too long. the republican leadership in the house should join us in this important event effort. i look forward to discussing these issues with secretary johnson i yield first two the senator and we will hear from a secretary. >> secretary johnson i appreciate you being here. it's essential to congress's oversight of the executive

branch. you have committed to harboring for congress and i appreciate that. i hope you have instructed your staff to respond to every letter in a timely manner. there are some letters that are older than before you became secretary that the department still has not responded to and of course the fact that those weren't respond to art your fault but maybe you can do what you can to speed out what other secretaries haven't done. so many times answers are not responses so it's especially nice to have you here today to provide answers on issues that we all care about. two weeks ago the judiciary committee asked you mr. secretary to explain why the department released more than 36,000 convicted criminal aliens from custody in the year 2013. at that time you didn't have an answer saying that you wanted a quote deeper understanding of this issue so i look forward to

hearing today what you have learned on those issues in the last two weeks because releasing 36,000 people with criminal convictions is no small matter. these individuals that have been convicted of homicide sexual assault kidnapping and there are many of them drunk drivers and drug offenders and of course now they are free roaming our streets. the cannot hide behind the police of these individuals do to court order although that may feature in some cases but in many cases the decision to release was entirely voluntary. the department needs to explain those decisions in specific cases and in detail. i'm also concerned the president believes he can and should act on his own when he doesn't get his way with congress. he said and you have for this quote. i've got a pen and i've got a phone. for example 2012 congress was not consulted about deferring

enforcement action on individuals in the country illegally. the department made its own rules and the programs have proven to be a haven for loopholes in mischief. the secretary just announced the renewal of the program. for the example the administration got a requirement made to process easier to reapply by eliminating any need to provide evidence. what is alarming is the department confirmed that it does not routinely check the validity of documents presented by applicants. when applications seem to be rubber stamped unlawful status is so easily obtained. it's no wonder there has been a surge of unaccompanied million minors at our southern borders. the number of miners coming tour country is climbed from 6020 -- in 2112 and expected 145,000 next year. some are calling it a

humanitarian crisis. quite frankly it is. these of course are vulnerable children. they are being guided through deserted areas of of joining countries with their lives on the line. there escorted with strangers away from family in some cases not knowing what lies ahead. there's a massive potential for these children to be abuse and effete administration doesn't do its due diligence to verify the relative or parental relationship when it releases these children then of course those same children will be put in the hands of or traffickers. children are being lowered into these dire circumstances. quite frankly by false promises to the administration has refused to be serious about immigration reform. it's got a policy of just get to the answer yes and that is a

philosophy that has sent a signal that everyone has a chance of getting immigration benefits even if you have to break the law to get them. the administration is finding ways to get around the rules implementing many recommendations in the internal 2010 and missed the memo that was leaked. this is a disaster made by the administration and only the president can correct it by sending the signals that these people should not be brought here. and that the laws going to be enforced. in other words the president must take responsibility. unfortunately the administration does not seem to be prepared and his failed to propose any solutions that will prevent children from being put in the situation in the future. let me suggest for starters the president needs to send a signal that the law will be enforced and people with unlawful status will be returned to their home country instead of reviewing deportation policies and suggest

ways to remove fewer people i would suggest that the president ask -- task you secretary johnson with enforcing the laws we have on the book. what is ironic is that the executive branch is taken action on so many controversial matters but refuses to do more to enclose loopholes and improve national security in several programs. let me give you an example. in january the first circuit decision paved the way for former gang members here illegally to argue that their status as a former gang member entitles them to remain in the united states. this would open the door to violent gang members renouncing their membership in a race in order to stay here but the department of justice didn't appeal the ruling and i would hope that you secretary johnson would give us your opinion on it and maybe even suggest that it be appealed.

the new exemption to immigration laws that were announced by the secretary in january are also very concerning. these exceptions would allow foreign nationals who have provided quote limited material support to terrorists and terrorist organizations that these people could in fact find asylum in the united states. we shouldn't be relaxing our laws to prevent anyone but connection to terrorism to live here especially when it's reported that up to 70% of the asylum these show signs of fraud i don't have confidence in our government's ability to effectively carry this out. in addition the department's management farriers in administering chemical facilities antiterrorist programs intended to regulate chemical facilities for national security purposes are very well-documented. i've done that in previous hearings although some welcome progress that has been made recently i can --

i continue to be concerned that the program is not functioning effectively. apartment is far behind in meeting its deadlines. operational practice training created by the executive branch regulation provides foreign students to obtain work in their major areas of study during and after completing an academic program here. in 2014 the government accountability office report found extensive and alarming mismanagement of the program. the department doesn't know where thousands of these individuals are working or whether they are working at all. given the risk that foreign students have proposed -- posed to her homeland i consider this a serious matter so i asked secretary johnson to place a moratorium on a program until he can certify that all participants have been located. two other issue shortly. one is the eb-5 regional program. bad as you know is an

employment-based immigration program decide to stimulate job creation through foreign capital investment yet we have been told that this program is being used to facilitate terrorist travel money laundering and investment fraud. the inspector general said the program cannot manage the eb-5 program effectively. the program needs a complete overhaul and some real attention from the administration before the vulnerabilities have a devastating effect on the homeland. finally i want to comment on the use of drones. the use of drug technology holds promise for securing our borders the department of homeland security should be as transparent as possible about how it tends to use drones. july 2013 it was reported that the customs and border protection document connected to its drone program apparently made public through foia requests suggested the customs and border protection might arm

its drones with nonlethal weapons. some agencies reported issuing a statement shortly thereafter disclaiming such an answer but if that is the case why would the documents say that? i yield the floor. >> mr. secretary or full statement will be placed in the record is though read. before you came in here though you mentioned to me and i think this is a good idea. he wanted to talk about what is happening on the border so i consider your full state and part of the record and please the floor is yours. >> thank you senator grassley members of this committee. you have my prepared statement and in it i refer to the various mentions at dhs including the counterterrorism mission border

security aviation security cybersecurity maritime security response to national -- natural disasters protection of our national leadership among other things. in the five minutes i have a would like to focus on the problem of children crossing our southwest border in particular into south texas and the rio grande valley sector. mr. chairman as you noted the numbers are rising. from 2011 there were approximately 6000 that year. this year it is in multiples of that. this correlates with an overall rise in illegal migration into the rio grande valley are principally from what we refer to as third country nationals those from guatemala el salvador and honduras are approximately three-quarters of the population. to meet this surge we have had to search resources that are normally dedicated to things

such as border security. i saw this situation vividly of myself on may 11 when i visited mccellan station processing center. it happened to be sunday mother's day. i approached a 10-year-old girl and asked her where's your mother? she told me i don't have a mother. i'm looking for my father in the united states. i returned to washington the next day determined to do something about the situation. undeniably there was a problem of humanitarian proportions. the rio grande valley sector that we must deal with so here's what we are doing about it. number one on monday may 12 i declared a level for condition of readiness within the department of homeland security which is essentially a determination that the capacity of the cpp and i.c.e. to deal with the situation is full and

we need other resources of dhs. i pointed to the deputy chief of the border patrol to be the dhs coordinator of that effort for a dhs wyatt response to this situation. on june 1 the president pursuant to the homeland security act directed me to establish a unified coordination group to bring to bear the assets of the entire federal government. this includes dhs and all of its components hhs, the department of defense, doj gsa and the state department. i have in turn appointed the fema administrator craig fugate to serve as the federal court any official for this u.s. government wide effort greater goal is to quickly and safely transport the unaccompanied children out of cbp custody into the hands of hhs supplementing

this process all along the way in a safe and humane manner and to ultimately a safe and secure environment that is in the best interest of the child pursuant to the requirements of the law. fema has dedicated 70 people full-time coordinating this effort. we are looking for more space for processing and for detention the department of defense has loaned us lackland airbase in texas to process for hhs to process the kids. we are leasing fort sill in oklahoma for the same purpose. we have gone to a dod facility in ventura california to deal with the processing of the influx of people into south texas. we have had to go beyond mccellan station. we have had to go to nogales arizona senator flake nose. initially we were sending family units to nogales for processing

their and then into the interior if they are released. we are now sending children to arizona. as i explained to governor or on saturday night i pledge to deal with the situation as best i can to manage the situation as best i can. as of now we are sending uac account unaccompanied children to arizona for processing and then onto hhs. they're not being released into arizona. gsa is looking for other space to lease to deal with family units to deal with the children, to deal with the processing of these kids. we brought on more transportation assets. the coast guard at my direction is loading air assets to transporting children from dhs to hhs custody and from one hhs

facility to another to deal with the situation. ice is leasing more aircraft. we are doing a preliminary screening for health reasons of all those who come into our facilities in south texas. the office of health affairs and coast guard is leading letting in that effort. we have called upon ngos volunteer organizations charitable organizations to assist in this effort. the american red cross i have had conversations with direct leap. our request they are providing humanitarian needs for the situation. blankets hygiene kits. i would like to give a shout-out to the texas baptist men who have provided a shower trailers in south texas. the department of justice is loaning resources. immigration judges for faster removal proceedings. in addition to all this we know we must do something to stem this tide so we have been in contact and i've done this personally with ambassadors and other officials in all four

countries quite a model of salt but are honduras mexico to talk about our shared border security interest in faster repatriation. i plan to go to guatemala myself in july to deal with the situation. we appreciated our public affairs campaign in spanish and english radio print and tv to talk about the dangers of sending your kids over the border and the dangers of putting your kids into the hands of criminals smuggling organizations. we have surged criminal investigator resources in hsi and cbp for the prosecution of smugglers, those who smuggle the kids. in may 2014 there were 163 arrests of smugglers along the southwest border. i directed a 90-day surge of hsi personnel 60 personnel to offices in san antonio and houston to work with doj to ramp

up our prosecutions of the smuggling organizations. and may i directed a unified campaign plan to deal with the southwest border calling upon all assets of the department of homeland security in a corrugated way to address our border security in the southwest border and to fill the gaps if necessary to call upon other departments of our government to assist. i've asked that we consider all lawful options to deal with the situation. if their options i want to hear about them. finally members of this committee and the senate we need your help. we have asked away before additional $166 million in fy15 to deal with the situation. i know hhs has also asked for additional funding. i'm providing daily reports to my interagency partners. i'm receiving daily reports on the situation.

yesterday we began briefing members of congress and their staffs and conference calls three times a week. i'm told yesterday in our call we had 300 collins. we are here to keep you informed. we can and must address the situation. thank you. >> i appreciate that because as you know this is an area we are greatly concerned about. instantly i want to take a moment to recognize. we have special guests with here today. normally we don't do this but i want the wreck or to show we have in the audience families who've been personally impacted by deportations and some directly impacted by cbp use -- youth support and i appreciate those. please feel free to stand and the record will note that you are here.

thank you very much. mr. secretary it's been a year since the senate passed a comprehensive immigration bill. i mentioned in my opening statement about the work we went through. we were here some nights until not a crotona clock at night. i remember the excitement when we finally passed it out of here i was out in the west coast and in oregon in a farm community. i went to a church and they have hundreds and hundreds of spanish speaking people who said they had watched every bit of this hearing. they had seen because we stranded in c-span carried it and then watch it at night on a big screen in the church auditorium. one of the hundreds of people in this church said to me do you

remember when the gavel came down on the final vote in the number of people in the back stood up and said -- leahy and that meant a great deal to me. the whole congregation stood up and repeated that. personally gratifying but i'd be a lot more gratified if we could get the bill through. the democrats worked on it and sent it through and we passed in the senate. now we need to have real pressure from a penetration from the other body. i get discouraged when i hear the press saying immigration is dead. that's easy to say if you are in a job where you are paid every week whether it's in the media or anything else but if you are family looking for migration reform it's not easy to hear.

can you tell us why it's so imperative the house of representatives to take up a bipartisan senate bill and start voting on it? >> you noted it's my belief that our current system is broken and totally unsatisfactory. for reasons that i think almost everybody in this room can agree as i look further and further into the system i find more and more problems and we have 11.5 million undocumented in this country who are not going away. they're not going to self deport. in many states now they can have driver's licenses. in the state of california's supreme court says undocumented immigrants can practice law so i don't think they are going away and i don't think they will self deport a not a big we have the resources to deport 11.5 million

undocumented. in fact i know we don't and the bill passed by the senate last year by a vote of 68-32 i think addresses the problems we have in a number of respects. order security at the border security at it personnel and resources which is something i believe we need very much particularly on the southwest border. mandatory e-verify and an earned path to citizenship for the 11.5 million who are here. some people with branded that amnesty. i do not. it requires an extensive vetting. it requires accountability. it requires paying penalties and taxes and it requires a 13 year wait to get on line behind those who are already in line. so i believe it's an excellent piece of legislation.

it's obviously the product of a lot of compromises and very hard work but i believe the bill that was passed by the senate last year will go a very long way to adding to our border security and fixing our system. i'm continuing to nurse the house of representatives to pass comprehensive reform whether in one bill or a series of hills that we really need to act on this. i remain optimistic that we will. >> this country to its credit has respond to humanitarian crises around the world whether tsunamis in the pacific earthquakes in haiti and so on. we have a humanitarian crisis right here in united states. i mentioned seeing children that

age and my grandchildren when they go to grade school they have an adult walking them to the school and living in a nice secure home and all and yet we see these children holding each other's hands coming by themselves whether from el salvador or across the border. they are risking everything on this journey. some don't make it alive. some are suggesting that these these -- the proposal is driving the crisis. i don't agree. i think it's the fact that we in the congress haven't -- haven't fixed broken immigration system. i feel very strongly about this. out of our border state i realize it's entirely different

on the northern border. coming to america first and foremost. i think this is the america that rocked my grandparents here from italy. i wonder what we are doing. what do you believe is driving this huge rise in these children across the border? >> senator i believe that the situation is motivated primarily by the conditions in the countries that they are leaving. el salvador honduras and guatemala. violence poverty. i believe that is principally what is motivating the situation i suspect also that the parents are aware that under our current law once they are in the hands of cbp we are required to give

them to the hhs and hhs is required to be in the best interest of the child. ..

>> >> someone was shot several times because he threw a rock. but nobody testifies it is a death sentence to throw barack. are you taking steps to ensure there is proper training and proper action when excessive force is used? >> from my days as a senior lawyer with that law enforcement entity that excessive use of force soakers with the a in credibility on ashley credibility of the entire

mission have encouraged them to be more transparent with their use of force policy and i have encouraged the cdt with rock-throwing and is situations where the officer is read into by a vehicle. i applaud the commissioner's efforts. >> we can discuss this further. >> mr. secretary that sybase released 36,000 criminals awaiting deportation and 160 of those were convicted of homicide was 193 homicide

convictions and willfully killing a public official with a dozen. to claim the court decision to release criminals who were convicted of 72 percent of the homicides i have asked for evidence to prove that but that means by his own admission the department voluntarily set free the untold number of murders and had you made any effort to relocate? >> senator first of all, i received a letter from you on monday that i will respond to promptly i have to a number that i have responded.

with the opening remarks these are after final orders of deportation to go six months of detention and the supreme court is shows of the bbc and individual that we can repeat tree roots -- repatriate the individual and you are also corrected a number of releases that the discretion of the ice officers pursuant to conditions of release intended to secure their return. i have passed for greater clarity of the numbers particularly the 160 e. verify 30 that have been released i would like to understand the circumstances

with the killing of the public official with a gun. i have asked our people to do to saying this. i want to be sure with the supreme court precedent with the exception of the rule of national security public safety to be sure we don't construe that too narrow a and in the case of a convicted felon of a homicide to understand why that doesn't fit within the exception if we are reading the case probably also to have greater clarity with the approval process for releasing these individuals to release a convicted felon it is something senator i am very focused on and i will

be responding with greater detail. >> that i will go to more specifically in this area. the many individuals were released a court order why other countries won't take them testifying on the house side and how to ask it to use the v said denial authority to you have any plans to recommend to senator kerry then refuse to

cooperate and the reason i ask that question seems that in the case where we use that tool were invented 59 of london 16 people would take back so it seems to be quiet day to will. >> i am aware of the case of guyana and is effective i have asked the staff to take of book of we should do more of this. >> when you reach judge decision real you tell us in writing please? >> i help you make a quick decision because this is something great need to work then also you brought up the case i would only suggest it

needs a legislative fix i don't have one but you see that as something space bad as the way to narrow the case. i am glad to hear that you believe you it and if it was of procreate with that legislative fix to be necessary. >> the case concerns the construction of the constitution i don't know if the legislative fixes is appropriate. but looking at legislation is worthwhile. when i read the case and was struck by the fact that there might be room for greater spaces the exception so i of interested to have lawyers be sure we interpret

properly. >> this is my last question the crisis so long the border with regard to unaccompanied children involving these miners and you could disagree he recently said we have to avoid practices and policies for further in a legal migration. people come to this country for family, a finding work for a better life but to interview these children that it is partly due to their promises of the immigration reform and amnesty so while i applaud the administration suffered its to work together to find any food and shelter no one

has of long-term solution to take into consideration for what you said you will make but if you are releasing tens of thousands of individuals each year how can anybody in a foreign country think we are serious to enforce the law? i will go into detail but we have this every of interviews remaining with 230 people and you quickly draw the conclusion that does that have the official seal because they want to take a vintage of it. >> first of all, those africander that the border with that of recent arrival that is one. the of legislation contemplated provides the

eric past years citizenship only before a 2011 swim would not provide for the aircraft to citizenship blue cave here yesterday -- who came here yesterday. >> but that is with the reality. >> but to solve the problem have the house pass the legislation repast so people would know where we are. >> what about the staff of the northern border to impact the state of vermont but that is slowing commerce and hurting us end aha -- a and i would appreciate it if your office could give me a

response this week. >> let me begin by saying congratulations to take forceful action by support everything you have done id cave in fault in 2008 wear on television i saw a young chinese girl was 14 change before us a judge with tears down her face and she was a survivor of one of the container up as those people came across the pacific in a container and could not speak the language with no resources and her parents were dead and i got involved. the author of a and accompanied child act that became the law than there are changes made which moved

to the children into hhs for resettlement but i have never seen anything like this. i was just looking at the statistics. here is the problem. honduras, guatemala and el salvador. the increases 1,272% of guatemala 707% but unaccompanied alien under the age of 17 from mexico have dropped 28%. this appears it to a to be a central american problem. if you look where they come across that changes and of course, the biggest change

is since senator flakes area with 33,470 miners coming into this country that way. but this is a real heartbreak. if i was the of president of guatemala or honduras' hybrid not stand by to see this happen in. you mentioned you met with the ambassadors is there not something those countries are willing to do do to provide their protective of the -- ability? has i understand this to see the children's best opportunity to live to remain unmolested takes which must me a or registered they've probably for the most part handled by a coyote is. the question i have of you

mr. secretary, what was the response with the ambassadors with whom you spoke? >> the response is all the right things. the follow-up will be key. that is why is a statement its engagements is a senior most level it is keep. i called all floor ambassadors monday morning they all said that the writing san pledged assistance the sustained continued involvement center resources to texas to repatriate some of these kids and they have devoted their personnel but we are right to dealóx underlying conditions in their countries and we just have to engage because there

is no other way. of key is from the chokepoint. the southern border is one of a 30 miles long. with the cooperation of the mexicans are guatemalans that is one of the reasons i will go to guatemala. >> i will write a letter anybody that wants to joy to the presidents of the countries to give statistics and to indicate our great interest in this issue. senator flake has the hitch facility one is about to

enter into a california people have averted your staff to take a look at the facility that i am concerned this is the beginning of the epidemic of less safety is restored and poverty is to some extent it is hopeless for children and i would hope people out there i see the catholic church and others would really pay attention to this. i am certainly willing to be helpful to work with the unaccompanied minors sacked and make some changes but it does not solve the basic problem. i would ask any member that would like to join with me to say what are you prepared to do? the embarrassment must be enormous. do you have any specific

actions they might take to convince them? >> i would be happy to work with your suggestions. a number of things we're contemplating asking eight them of would be happy to work with you on those. >> also we have gotten terrific offers of help from faith based organizations who were concerned about the situation in texas. that has been a terrific response civic before senator hatch i'd like to put into the record the interviews that i spoke about to the secretary. >> senator hatch. >> i appreciate you and all

the difficulties we have had to put these matters together. i still remember from the agricultural component in the senate bill is in your office under your direction a very good job out of you. but it is a tough job. if anybody can do this right i hope buchanan is also impossible in some ways because the failure of congress and of what needs to be done but even then it will have tears take a lot of effort on their brevity is part to resolve these problems. i share a concern about the alarming increase of a number of and accompanied avian children along the southwest borders the administration calls this a

humanitarian situation but in my view their own actions and approach have created this problem and i am concerned because i think the administration has been irresponsible but let's make a just say in april u.s. citizenship confirmed for the second tier is in the road h-1b visa quota was reached in the first five days. we try to solve that in the senate bill preserving jobs for american workers is important but the partnership for the new american economy shows state-run tv set cap hurts job growth. our time is limited so i appreciate responses to what i can ask but i know that

you agree with me on this situation the least i hope you agree with me if not we will have to talk together. >> before the secretary answers your question i have a french intelligence a delegation waiting i will ask the senator to a takeover and i would give him the list. thank you. >> the secure communities program is designed to remove criminal aliens this is where it could be rendered useless if agencies felt they went over ice officials of mitigation hit the taters is increasing.

these are the official notices said the agency intends to take custody of the individual from the local law enforcement agency. that is unraveling with the cooperation between ice and the state to believe they should be honored by local law enforcement agencies and if not hard you can see -- keep decameter -- community protective program? >> david saul's go back decades and i was a prosecutor we had detainers put on people. the secure communities program is speaker print sharing between the fbi that is what it is the wrist alive of misunderstanding. i believe the goal of secure communities is a good one to promote more effective for

enforcement against threats to public safety is a worthwhile program. however it is off to a bad start with the bad name the mayor's thank governors are signing executive orders passing laws to limit the state or city ability to comply with the decatur that is extremely unfortunate to limit the ability of our people to do their job so i believe we need a fresh start each to evaluate how to refected they forced the racial laws and delayed clearer guidance that i intend to take that to the governors and the mayor's here is the enforcement priorities so you have no

uncertainty anymore and we will do with them a better job because i believe the principle is a good one. >> my time is up. would have a wonderful job you have. >> secretary johnson can we talk about cyber? i have to topics one is quite to narrow and specific. d.h. us is the lead federal agency responsible for working with state and local government and local law enforcement in a variety of ways but specifically protecting the information system. it appears there has been a spate of recent cyberattacks on local law enforcement

agencies. across the country small, rural, police departments don't have a lot of cyberresources available or even full-time information officers. it strikes me that from a point of view to create embarrassment and upheaval of cyberhackers or compromising law-enforcement emergency response, a small police departments make an appealing target. i wonder where would dhs work together to make sure they have the resources and

the threat to awareness and the knowledge they need to protect themselves because if the creek to locker takes out the resources of the small department including police reports could create the unfortunate situation. >> first of all, i.r.a. agree with your observation about state and local government and more and more governors and mayors asked me about this issue covers snyder of michigan in comes to mind. more and more state and local governments have a phasors devoted to this survey that n.y.p.d. and boston police department. >> that we do need to figure how to organize a of a

common resource with the early warning system in a better way than we presently do. >> of my experts were here they could tell you the ways redo work with local law enforcement reid may be able to support the development of capability of these governments but i do recovery it is some say that is the emerging threat that we've made to focus on. >> by will continue to work with you on this but this is not the forum for that as mayors and governors around the country see this is a particular unfortunate target to be merged. the second cybertopic pass to do with how we structure our cyberenforcement

response. i want to commend with the department of justice, the fbi we throw a lot of resources that the problem with immense talent and we have had some really terrific new steps by the department of justice and there is great stuff going on. but we are doing the things that we need to do. in 10 years out and we're so engage with the packers to warn businesses end of what this needs to do looks like

it is a growing threats of a blake to hear your thoughts. . . . . my view is that and i know all these people either from my dod period and in my view if we can

sit down together together and this is not a complicated conversation among the three or four verse component heads to say what is our strategy going forward when does the fbi get involved and when does the secret service get involved in winces it become a matter for national security intelligence resources for our government? we can develop a common strategy and i don't believe it's complicated and it's one of the items on my agenda. >> i will follow up with you on that and our next senator recognized a senator sessions. >> thank you mr. chairman. we are having a humanitarian disaster. there's no doubt about that and the humanitarian disasters caused by a legal disaster. your leadership and the president's leadership has failed to send a clear message throughout the world that you can only come to the united states lawfully. you cannot calm unlawfully.

in fact you have sent a message that conveys just the opposite. it's unbelievable that the top law enforcement officer of our country is doing such a thing. you have been sued by your own officers or at least her predecessor for not allowing them to follow their oath to enforce the law. under your leadership it seems to have gotten worse secretary johnson. you and i talked about it. i expressed my concern. i thought maybe it would get better but actually things have gotten worse. we are seeing this flood of young people and stress tragic. it should not be happening. the first thing a law enforcement officer should seek to do is to create a climate that reduces lawlessness not encourage it. you don't want to be in a position of having to arrest more people and it was more people. you want to not have it happen. it's just amazing to me and i want to push back a little bit

on our chairman talking about excessive force and violence. i wish you would push back a little harder mr. johnson that this is the kind of thing that has happened to your border patrol agents every day. they are being attacked with vehicles. they are being shot and they are being pummeled with large rocks. i would offer that for the record. lawlessness. >> without objection. >> lawlessness he gets violence. i know in san diego a number of years ago 20 or more years ago they built a fence. there was violence and lawlessness in drugs and afterwards both sides of the border are prospering and the lawlessness has ended at that time and we have done better. let me just ask you this. you didn't say in your testimony today and nothing i've seen in your reported statements is a

clear message to the world they must not illegally to america. have you said that anytime recently? >> i have told my staff that we need to consider all options to deal with this situation. i rule nothing out that is lawful. i want to know about every option and consider every option senator. here in the el salvador newspaper the headline is extension of suspension of student deportation. in other words you extend the suspension of deportation secretary johnson. almost all agree that children with their parents are in search of a better life. not making an adult tries to break our laws and should be treated differently from adult violators of the law. >> i still agree with that. >> goes on to say the administration of president obama has launched a program

suspending deportations. another central american news outlets the first paragraph says central americans who illegally cross the border into mexico say they are arriving at their final destination and u.s. immigration officials are allowing central american women and children. that was told u.s. immigration i was told that u.s. immigration was leading quote lots of women with kids and the united states. for an el salvador obama

announced unified and corrugated federal response to this program to provide humanitarian relief to children affected including accommodations medical treatment and transport. but he didn't say and you have not even said the state right here in this committee do not come. it's unlawful to come. you cannot come to the country without lawful permission. so i ask you again are you prepared to say that to the whole world? >> i and prepared to say that a parent should not send a child across our southwest border. >> but they can bring a child with them? >> because it's dangerous. >> because it's dangerous? >> because it's illegal and dangerous. >> we a pledge to enforce law and interdict and send people who come into the country unlawfully? >> i enforce the law every day. >> you didn't say it in your

opening and you haven't been quoted in the papers as saying that. >> i and forced to the law everyday senator. we are deporting people according to last year's number at a rate of over 1000 a day. >> you are familiar with the memo from the deputy board of cheese i suppose on may 30 of this year your own deputy. can i ask for one additional minute mr. chairman? this is what mr. vitiello wrote your own deputy. that was his draft. you probably altered it or had altered. he said if the federal government failed to deliver adequate consequences to deter aliens from attempting to enter illegally into the u.s. the result will be even greater increase in the rate of recidivism and first-time

illicit entries. releasing other than mexican family units and low threat aliens on their own recognizance along with facilitating family reunification of unaccompanied million children in lieu of repatriation to their country of citizenship to serve as incentives for additional individuals to follow the same path. he goes on. to stem the flow adequate consequences must be delivered for illegal entry into the united states and for facilitating human smuggling. even as a direct member of an illicit million smuggling organization or a private facilitator these consequences must be delivered both at the border and within the united states. do you agree with that? >> as i said in my opening statement to deal with the situation in the south of texas

we have had to search resources that are normally devoted to other tasks. we are now calling on the entire federal government to address that situation so that my border patrol agents can go back to patrolling the border. >> senator klobuchar. >> thank you very much senator whitehouse and thank you very much secretary johnson for your work. i was just down in mexico is senator heitkamp and cindy mccain on that very important issue of sex trafficking is where is -- as well as heroin trafficking and met with the attorney general. we talked about this issue at length and i also appreciated the efforts that mexico is starting to make which is necessary to the state which is to secure their own southern border in addition to the work that's been going on to go after the drug cartels and the capture of l. chabot and there's clearly work to be done. i wanted to take you farther north because one of the things i certainly learned when i was down in mexico is one way out of

this violence and the things that are going on down there is to have a stronger north american economy what we are calling a new day in north america which means more and more regional court nation between canada america and mexico. i think this is a major part of our economic growth to bring more jobs to america. every single day we have 300,000 people crossing the u.s. canadian border. every single day to weigh cross-border trade between our nations amounts to $2 billion a day. they are our major trading partner, canada. $2 billion a day in. three-quarters of canada's goods are sold in the u.s. and in turn canada's number one buyer for goods produced in 36 out of 50 states in this country. yet we have border issues with canada and they're not the border issues we have been hearing about. there are border issues about making it as easy as possible to

facilitate the movement of people and goods with their number one partner in dealing with ukraine are number one partner with dealing with security. i know you understand this. one of the things having just been in canada this week in the senator blunting crapo and senator sessions as well as senator stabenow we as part of the inter-parliamentarian group identified structure issues on the border and in the past two years u. s. customs and border have received authorization from congress to initiate programs to enter into public right of partnerships and except private donations to help improve the efficiency of border crossings. i'm concerned that these border crossings are right now the rights have been given solely on the southern border and for instance a lan port of entry in international falls minnesota was built in 1993 and has been deemed in need of replacement by the cbp the customs border

protection in and the general services administration. we are really interested in this public-private partnership. obviously with the energy and the oil and everything else coming from canada as well as the trade and agricultural. going on we think this is a smart investment in america's economy. can you talk to me about why programs are only in place on the southern border and can you commit to adding northern border sites for these partnerships as soon as possible? >> yes. a big part of my job notwithstanding everything we have talked about so far in this hearing is promoting lawful trade and travel particularly in north america. i've had conversations along with our president with the mexican president, with the prime minister of canada at the summit that took place in mexico in february i believe it was. in march i had conversations with minister blaney and

mr. reed from canada about facilitating and promoting trade and travel. it is a big part of this administration's agenda to develop trusted traveler programs. the president signed an executive order on a single path for export-import purposes and to our federal agencies and by have personally visited detroit and port huron. >> you are aware of the windsor bridge issue? >> i have walked on the windsor bridge. >> you are close to getting that result. >> i've seen the tractor-trailers backed up on the bridge in port huron and i've seen the situation in detroit and i believe that we need to expand the customs and build the customs plows and detroit one way or another in public private ardor ships i think are a good creative way that we should explore. we need to get this done. i'm impressed by the fact that the canadians have stepped up.

>> i'm really interested in this. they are doing a lot with public private partnerships for their own infrastructure in iraq and interested in this idea and we can't be putting them at the southern border. i have one last question. you probably heard about the current plans that call for the current uscis field office in bloomington minnesota to move to a location that is three miles from the nearest public transportation option. uscis field offices provide critical services you know immigration services and i think you have heard what happened here. they have apologized that they made a major mistake. they saw a sign for us and they thought it was a public bus and in there is really no bus service to that area. they have been helpful in meeting with us and could you talk about it as we are looking at legislation to make sure uscis field offices are accessible to the immigrant and

refugee communities and what your views are on this? we are currently trying to see if there is any anyway to dial this back pizzarelli was a mistake rates the i've talked to senator franken about this. i am aware of the issue in this particular office and i agree that people should be encouraged to go to cis offices for just about every region and match and will. i agree they need to be accessible one way or another. i will look at this situation. >> i understand and again i appreciate your good work. thank you. >> thank you. >> you senator cornyn. >> thank you. mr. secretary could morning, good to see you. would you agree with me that the transnational criminal organizations that traffic human beings into the united states they don't discriminate between economic migrants and people who they traffic for or other

illegal purposes. would you agree with that? >> it sounds right. i'm not sure i know the answer to that one. >> they are in the business to make money. >> they are in the business of making money. >> guns, drugs, people children adults. they don't really discriminate. and i think there is this misconception that somehow there is good immigration, illegal immigration and bad illegal immigration in the sense that somehow these are separate pipelines when in fact my impression is to my knowledge it has now been taken over essentially by transnational criminal organizations largely the cartels in mexico and all of the horrors that you know and i know and that others know that these unaccompanied children are subjected to. they are sub ticked to the

tender mercies of these traffickers. so i want to really ask you about two things. you came to my office recently. i've vitiated after doing investigation of the detentions along the u.s. mexican border and i appreciate the acknowledgment that you recognize this is a national security issue as well. in fact 414,000 people were detained at the southwestern border last year from more than 100 different countries. do you agree with those figures? >> yes. as you and i have discussed on the southwest border the rio grande valley in particular we are seeing an increasing number of illegal migrants coming from virtually all over the world including other continents and it's an increasingly diverse population.

>> i appreciate your knowledge moda that and your investigation of the facts. let me turn now to the humanitarian crisis of unaccompanied minors. there have been several references to the internal summary prepared by agents in the field concerning a recent surge of unaccompanied minors. when asked why they chose this time to migrate an overwhelming majority said it was to take advantage of new u.s. law that grants a free pass to unaccompanied children and female adults traveling with minors. it appears that free passes that they are referring to are the notice to appear. in other words when people are detained they are given a notice to appear in a court setting. i'm told by border patrol that 90% of them never show back up but the high percentage of subject interviewed stated their family members in the u.s. urged

him to travel immediately because united states was only issuing immigration free passes until the end of june 2014. so you have previously acknowledge that there is no legal way to enter the united states. there is no free pass under the law. is that right? >> there is a legal way to enter the united states. the migration we are talking about here is not legal. >> thank you. you are right. thank you for correcting my statement. there is no way for these unaccompanied minor children to illegally enter the united states and the way that the 4,047,000 that have been detained since october have been doing? >> that is correct, yes. >> okay. i would suggest you there is this perception that the executive branch of the federal government is not enforcing the law because of talks about

easing deportations are repatriations i think is the nomenclature you used in the perception is that there are no consequences to the illegally entering the united states and if that is the perception the flood of humanity will continue it and contribute to this humanitarian crisis that we have been talking about this morning. i would suggest to you that is youtube liberate these matters and consult with congress and the president that this is one of the biggest obstacles to immigration reform because if the perception is both domestically and other countries that the federal government is not committed to enforcing our own laws then this flood will continue and the divide and the distrust will grow even more.

and one final point. if this entry of 47,000 children who live calm unaccompanied who had been detained since october if that is not legal under u.s. law i don't understand the argument that if we just somehow pass the senate immigration bill that would have a positive impact on this humanitarian crisis. you are not suggesting that we need to pass some other law that would have prevented this humanitarian crisis are you sir max? >> or civil the document you read from i have never seen. it is supposedly a draft document. i don't know that i agreed with the assessment there. >> their interviews with 230 of the people detained coming across the border. >> i've never seen the document. >> will you take a look at it and tell us what you think it's

authentic? >> enough people have referred to it that i am sure at some point soon i will take a look at it. i'm not sure if i agree if that is the motivator for the children come into south texas. i think it is primarily the conditions in the countries that they are leaving from. i do believe that if comprehensive immigration reform is passed the uncertainty that may be existing in people's minds about our law gets resolved then it will be clear to the people that the errant path to citizenship being contemplated in the senate bill only applies to people who came here before year-end 2011. the same with dhaka. dhaka refers to people who came here before 2007. he doesn't refer to people who came here today or yesterday. so the perception i don't think is correct and i also know anyone who is separated on the order is a priority to match.

>> mr. secretary this is my last question or statement. i would suggest that as a person who believes we need to pass a bill to fix our broken immigration laws that the single biggest impediment to collaboration between congress and the executive branch to get that done we may not agree about the details but i think we agree on the need to get to that solution. the biggest impediment is the perception that the president and his administration will not enforce whatever laws congress were to pass. so that is a real problem and in this instance it has helped induce this humanitarian crisis and this flood of unaccompanied children that is very dangerous to them and their families and it has created a real crisis. so thank you for your response to my questions. >> before i call upon senator

cole i would like to ask everyone to be aware of the time limits for our questioning because there are people who are waiting. senator coons. >> thank you senator and thank you secretary for your service in your leadership in the department and your testimony here today. i want to touch on a number of different issues. ag inspections at the border imports and cybercrime in the u.s. in a number of issues that relate to deportation practices. let me start with those. these are issues we gets discussed before in some of these are questions i've asked her predecessor but i want to make sure i'm getting an appropriate update on where we are. first and deportation -- deportation proceedings aliens are not not provided what is called a file but have to file with oil requests and this extends the cost and the difficulty of deportation for savings without affecting the outcome. has dhs began to routinely provide any files to aliens? >> senator you are correct.

it's something we discussed previously. i don't know the status of that issue right now but i can get that to you. >> i've also discussed with you and your predecessor lateral repatriation describing nighttime deportations that often put children and women at risk particularly vulnerable folks facing deportation to dangerous locales of difficult times and the bad circumstances. i think it violates basic human rights and some of our international agreements and i wondered if dhs is implemented as teachers to ensure the deportations are done in a manner that doesn't jeopardize the lives of repatriated aliens. >> we are working with the mexican government on that now. this has been the subject of discussion between our two governments. often it involves a matter of just six coordination and so forth. we also have a policy going back to 2004 that we not separate

families were moved vulnerable populations at late-night hours which i believe is a good policy and i intend to reiterate it. >> thank you. i have heard from the faith community and advocates that they continued to see a significant impact on vulnerable families due to the policy that has not have a pressure valve policy. i received concerning reports that immigration enforcement which occurs at around courthouses deters women from seeking protection from the abuse orders were folks applying for relief from landlords and i just wondered what steps dhs is taking to assess the appropriateness of enforcement actions and to ensure they are only taking exceptional circumstances where there is some case specific justification rather than