assumptions at that time is democracy is best for everyone in democratic countries tend to be more peaceful and they don't attack one another. do you still believe that? >> guest: we still believe that but the question is how applicable is it him very as cultures and i think we have to recognize there were certain cultures where this type of idea is more difficult to plan and sustained than other areas of the world. i think we have to be realistic and where we apply that. the idea is still the right idea and i think it's true. the question is it possible and to what extent are we willing to sacrifice to sustain a presence in the area to finish the job. i think we have found that's just not going to be possible in that area too well. plus with the idea is true we be pushing agitating and using authority in this area of? for example saudi arabia or

jordan? if they do become democratic countries like egypt did briefly would that be better for us? >> guest: the question is not whether this is better for us or not. the ideal and the goal is a good one. the question is how do you get there and how long do you take it or what measures do you take? you mentioned egypt. egypt was ready. look at the united states. were rewriting for an an election when the united states was formed to have everybody in the united states boat? our founders didn't think so. they limited the people who could vote in an election. you say it's horrible and terrible. maybe it was maybe it wasn't that it was a decision that was made to make sure there was continuity and stability within government that was consistent with the values the government was founded upon. we can't go out and say the

objective is a free election. i should've never been the objective. we have to work with individual situations to ultimately even though may take 100 years to get there but the idea of rushing into these types of freedoms and elections i think is not the right approach. >> host: what do you think we have to do in afghanistan now? >> guest: i think maintain some sort of presence and we certainly learned our lesson from iraq that leaving is the worst of all possible situations because now we have chaos again and a potential dangerous alliance between, not potential but dangerous alliance between iran and iraq, civil unrest, terrorism, terrorist groups so it's not a positive situation. to the extent that we can continue to support the afghan

military and again it's the stomach for the long-haul and having involvement that provide some sort of possibility for stability in the future. when we just say well this is hopeless and fully then you are back to the situation that caused you to get there in the first place. >> host: this book makes me assume that you are running again. this book describe describes sure for loss of your part of it. that suggested me that you are reentering public life. are you running again at? >> guest: well it doesn't necessarily mean you are running but i'm out there in the public. >> host: but i mean running for office again, running for president. >> guest: i have made it clear clear that it's something i'm actively considering in trying to gauge the level of support that's out there but also trying to figure out being the father

of seven kids four of whom were still at home having just gone through this and finished up two years ago it takes a toll. you have to measure all of those things politically and personally. i have a concern about the future this country and i think i bring something different to the table. so we will actively consider whether this is something we should do and make a decision sometime next year. >> host: unlike most people who run for president you have little kids at home. >> guest: we have a little girl who is was going to be six in may. that's our youngest and a 23-year-old is our oldest. they are still relatively young and still neither dad around and that's my challenge and something that karen and i think about them pray about trying to discern the right thing to do for family and our country. >> how hard is it on your family

to run for president? >> guest: is the absence. you are not there for long periods of time and to bring kids out on the campaign trail which we did john and opal lizabeth and the two next in line would be in a position to do more of that. we still have younger kids -- you know our youngest our 6-year-old has a disability and requires constant care. those are the things and i know people look at politicians and say that's all a political calculation and any talk is just an excuse. that may be the case in some but is not the case in mind. >> host: how physically grueling as it to run? >> guest: will i love it. i was asked to question the other day in one of these forms that i did at the university, are you a night owl or an early

riser and my answer was both. i run pretty hard and i like the pace of the campaign. i love doing seven town meetings in iowa and traveling the country and talking about things that are important. that energizes me. it's not as much of a toll on me as it is a toll on the family and what comes with it. the physical grind is not the big problem. the problem is the attacks and the cruelty that comes from exposing herself to the american public. it's a very small portion of the american public now because of social media has the ability to speak much more loudly than what they should. >> host: i knelt potential candidates are his hesitant to critique other candidates but who are you impressed by the people who may run for president? >> guest: in 2012 i thought we

had a bunch of really good people. is that you didn't? jess they are good folks. running for president is hard. you look at folks and say wow this person didn't do very well or that person didn't do very well. it's hard. i say don't try this at home. you look at candidates who dropped him like rick perry who dropped in and found out wow we are not in texas anymore. this is a very tough environment and its day in, day out. you have got to be mentally and physically and emotionally prepared for it. i guarantee you that two years from now looking at the republican field you are going to say g. code that wasn't as good as they feel good as they feel as if that was going to be. it's a hard thing to do and everybody has faults. they get shown very clearly in

the presidential race. this spill i'm sure you will say this is untrue but i thought after reading this book gives you had some -- mitt romney. a couple of his aides were talking about the possibility of yet another run by him for president. what do you think of that? >> guest: i don't think i was unkind to mitt romney in the book at all. i just thought it was the wrong candidate and he was miscast. i supported him in 2008. in the 2012 election he was just not the right candidate. at the time of the 99 versus 1% and the wall street multimillionaire 1% or so unfortunately throughout the primary was never able to get comfortable with his wealth and how to explain that, his success. the throng that the whole issue of obamacare and the fact that we had a candidate who took the

most important issue that helped us win the 2010 election and probably will help us win the 2014 election but when the election was up to the person that is it that is a to to to obamacare we never talk about that. we had in my opinion and is a reason and passion about running and got engaged in a campaign we need someone who is better on those two fronts. i thought maybe a guy who grew up in a steel town as an immigrant and wasn't for the wall street bailouts and ask to put forth a lot of a lot of good free-market private sector ideas on health care would be a better choice. >> host: what do you think of jeb? >> guest: i don't know jet that well. i looked at his record as governor of florida and seemed like a solid record. i think he's a good and decent man.

>> host: of the seven biggest stage romney only won one, texas. if they don't win texas there's no way they can get to the right number of electoral votes. a lot of people are watching this believe that texas could easily go blue and become a democratic state of the next 10 years. at that point with the republican party ceased to be a national party? >> guest: that's why it's important we stand the base of the republican party brought a few what ronald reagan did you say it's not possible. it's not possible given the way the republican party is positioned itself but it's possible to position herself in favor of identifying with the great middle of america who is looking for someone who has a plan to make life better. it's really the reason i brought the book to speak from the

people across america those of us who have these sets of values but also speak to the republican establishment. we have to stop and focus on i thank extraneous issues. the idea that someh or another we have to abandon the family and abandon life. the people i'm talking about happened to share our values on those and they are willing to vote for us if we can show them we actually care about them. i site this in the book. in the exit polls i think it was 23% of the population on the exit polls said the number one issue for them was to see care about people like me and barack obama got 81% of the supposedly were by and large people in the lower to middle income areas. it's not that his policies were helping an impact they were destroying a lot of their opportunities at the american dream. i think was teddy roosevelt said

people don't care what you know until they know that you care. we have to have policy and not just rhetoric that policy that can ask and i think we can reestablish an entirely new map to put states like pennsylvania and ohio and annoyance even illinois and wisconsin and michigan back in electro-play again. husk of a huge percentage of working-class voters are receiving government aid in one form or another. isn't that tough sell for public and to save those voters with them they might have a cultura cultural -- say to them elect me and i will for example cut your disability payments. >> guest: elect me and i will create an opportunity to have better paying jobs and to take better care of your family and work one job incentive to and have made your spouse not have to work at a job if he wants to get within a home or if you want to stay in the home and have your wife work whatever it is

but to give options to your families because the jobs you have for better paying job so you don't need those benefits. part of it is as you know the reason 47% of the people are receiving governmental benefits that set an all-time high. it's the economy that's driving up these benefits and getting more people involved in benefits so we can grow the economy. i would say we need to pro-growth per worker agenda that is what we try to lay out and support. >> host: at some point math suggest someone will have to cut benefits somewhere sometime. even good people who like to work by what they want to give up benefits? >> guest: i talk about this in the book. there are certain things we can programs that are in place that are fiscally unsustainable. they are not going to build continues social security.

medicare is on its way to bankruptcy and medicaid is not sustainable. we have to address those issues and my feeling is if we can create a healthier economy and begin to create economic opportunities for people who are affected by these changes that i think it's a pretty good trade-off and hopefully we can make that argument. you might say well they don't want to give them up. i will say i have a lot of faith in the american public. if you lay out a vision for america and make the case for america as a leader and to call upon america to step forward and do their part to make america viable going forward i have a lot of confidence in your ability. >> host: i think he came to d.c. this same year i did in 1991. for all those 23 years she has had senator sending money but also these conservative non-profits in the hope that

they would help make america more conservative. over that time from my perspective the country has become anything but buy it at the measures you have mentioned today. the welfare rate of wedlock birthrate in the way people vote. what happened to that money? >> guest: i think republicans have focused on the wrong place. as you know tucker one of the things i've done since i left political race for president is that became ceo of a movie production company. one of the reasons you've seen the change in america is because of popular culture. he talked about the attitudes of marriage. that has been driven completely by a popular culture media television news pounding away, pounding away on this is the way you are supposed to think and if you don't think that way you are an intolerant bigot.

that is a huge impact. if you give money to the think tank that's great and great for public policy and if you give money to the republican national committee that's great if you want election but elections are downstream from popular culture. so i would make the argument and i think we are seeing this now that conservatives need to engage. i've i have done so with this moving company and i think you are seeing a lot of people say we have to start going out battling for the hearts and souls of america and not just the popular culture but particularly the church. we have to energize the church and start fighting back in a way that is creative and positive. pope grant us i'm encouraged by the -- by what i see from him. he's out there preaching a positive uplifting message. we have to warrior's.

we can't back away from what we believe in. there's a way we have to present that that will attract and change our spot. >> host: obviously want a clear assessment of your opponents because she said popular -- what is the thinking and motivation behind back? >> guest: it's always the elite. if you go back to the days of william wilberforce and the good and the elite culture back to the roman empire view leads want to deal with to do whatever they want to do. i want constraints on them because they say every problem in the world comes down to a problem with the first amendment. if you put a false god before god, the false god to see you. you don't really care about any of the consequences. just whatever makes me happy at the moment. that materialism is unfortunately rampant among elites in every culture and

history of man. this is not something we should be surprised about. it happens everywhere and so d.c. that point of view being expressed by this elites and the culture it creates. none of this should be shocking or surprising. william wilberforce one of my heroes back in england, that was his to go after the elites and the problems that were occurring in the example they were setting for society. if you look at the examples for the celebrity culture exhibits a society it's not one that is all about living good decent and moral lives. people tend to imitate that particularly young people. >> host: the book is "blue collar conservatives" recommitting to an america that works. thanks a lot for joining us. i was really interesting. >> guest: thank you tucker, appreciate it. >> host: thank you.

now representative james clyburn on his life growing up in the south and his political career that led him to being the third highest-ranking democrat in the house of representatives. this is an hour. >> good afternoon. i am douglas slaughtered the executive chairman of the african-american culture. i want to welcome all of you here for this great occasion the signing and reception for "blessed experiences." let's give the congressman a hand. [applause] we want to welcome you to a work in progress. this is the center for afghan american history and culture. in late 1800's is known as the emanuel institute. set for school in aiken developed for the children of newly freed slaves and since

that time it has been a school for several generations and we are excited about the opportunity to turn this once again into a learning center. aiken has a rich and phenomenal history. a lot of times people aren't aware of the history of the community that they live in. this facility will capture that history. i don't know if you know this or not the aiken county was established by african-americans during the time of reconstruction. we want to tell the story of that history. i am an african-american baptist pastor in what i'm really excited about is the birthplace of the african-american baptist church. all of that story and their rich stories of aiken are told in this cultural center and we thank you for being here. at the end of everything if you would like to go on a tour we would love to show you what we are up to hear the cultural

center. at this time we want to invite dr. sandra jordan. she will come and give us her remarks. [applause] >> thank you so much. >> i'm honored to be invited to give a few remarks on this very important occasion. luckily i was just in washington d.c. and had an opportunity to visit the office of congressman clyburn where i was received very warmly by his staff and then had a chance to be personally welcomed by the congressman and we had a chance to chat. i was there to thank him for the work he does, the golf term anti-sponsors, that provides the ken seder scholarships. the ken seder scholarships allow students who might not otherwise be able to go to college to have a chance to get an education. it was your idea, you helped to

create the opportunity and we are so grateful for your dedication to education. while i was there i had the audacity to ask the congressman to sign a copy of his biography to what he may not know is that i had to run all over washington d.c. to get that book. [laughter] i am pretty sure i bought the last copy in all of washington. in fact it cost me $65 in a taxicab. [laughter] but i want to tell you that after i read the book i got him to sign a the book and i came home and i read it. i donated to the university library. why would i give away a book that cost me extra money and a lot of effort? i think it's a book every student in south carolina should read.

it's a book that in its essence is about how one person can make a difference not only in our state but throughout our nation, especially if that's an individual who is working with decency and values and great integrity. it's such a pleasure to have you here. what you may not know is one point in his career he was a teacher of tenth grade. it takes a special person to teach tenth grade. i know, that's why i teach college. [laughter] so i know there has been a long tradition of valuing education by the congressman. >> thank you very much. [applause] >> at this time we would like to ask representative bill clyburn to come and introduce the congressman formally.

>> ladies and gentlemen it's an honor and a pleasure today to introduce our congressman, our author and public servant. we refer to his -- referred to him as jim and i think i have probably known him longer than anyone in this room to tell you the truth. he is the son of a fundamentalist baptist preacher. his mother was a beautician. he has two brothers john and james. >> he is here. >> the congressman is married to a former m. m angle it. we refer to her as ms. england.

there is a reason for that. she is a really great beautiful silver age -- silver haired lady. the congressman was quick to tell me -- but when he is talking to ms. emily he listens. the president of the united states says you know when congressman clyburn speaks that the congress listens. that is true too but when ms. emily speaks the congress listens. he has been the former assemblyman of the legislative black caucus. he is the former chair and vice chair for the democratic caucus in congress. he has been involved with so many things throughout the sta state. he was educated in the public

school system. he graduated and got his education at south carolina state university and school of law. he has three daughters and as a matter of fact one of his daughters is here. meg would you please raise your hand? mag is his oldest daughter and she is commissioned by the fcc the federal communications commission. she is here with us today as her father signs the book. i have known of so many good things at that the congressman has done. he does not particularly like -- he just wants it to be done in to take his seat but i'm going to be at liberty to tell you that not only am i related to him but i want to have the

opportunity to tell you a couple of things about the congressman that you may not know. dr. jordan alluded to the scholarships. thousands of scholarships he has been responsible for and he has been involved with so many young kids. that is his favorite sport. he loves to play golf. the only way i can get them upset is given to a hard discussion with him about golf and tried to make up stories and he gets upset about that. but i want to thank the congressman for what he has done not only in this district but for people throughout this country. you know you never hear the congressman speak about -- but

you would not believe the contributions he has made to keep the site going. and so congressman we really truly appreciate your compassion and i want the people here to know that the only are we cousins but we are friends. we really appreciate ms. emma u.s. stood bye bye you and it's really been helpful and conservatives do this. great ladies and gentlemen congressman clyburn. [applause] >> thank you very much. thank you. thank you. thank you.

of ayes thank you very much. thank you bill. thank you doctor for presenting here today and let me thank the developers of this great historic effort for allowing us to grace your unfinished business -- of vision here today. thank you so much. when i was first contacted about doing a book signing here in aiken i really thought that we would probably do it at those search where i often meet with them but leslie thought it would

be in keeping with this effort for us to do this here. at this facility. those of you who know me you know that one of my real passions is historic preservation and restoration. you will see a lot of that in this book.

[applause] you see in this book how we met is one of those stories that people all over the country seemed to enjoy. i tell people though that we met in jail,. [laughter]

that is an institution that sound -- sometimes work. for us it did. because if she continues to conduct herself appropriately,. [laughter] in 17 days, we will celebrate our 53rd wedding anniversary. [applause] i am buried pleased that our firstborn is here with us today. now she was just in aiken several weeks ago for an event. she is back today really because she had to come home to vote. [laughter] we were a few days trying to get her absentee ballot and finally

it happened two days ago. she did not receive a ballot and i said to her i hate for you to go to this great expense but i would hate to lose this election by one vote. [laughter] so she flew home home and it's his decided to stay for this event. i want to say just a couple of things about the book and then i will ask an egg egg -- answer any questions you may have. several of you told me that you have written a book. i was supposed to go to another introduction but i see he and his lovely wife are walking to the door. my brother charles is walking in. [applause] and his wife linda. thank you so much for being here as well. and now, when i started out to write this book, i started with

a working title which was i too am a southerner. i guess i better explain why i'm sitting down and not standing up. as most of you know i'd rather stand up. i have been told by c-span who set this thing up for me to sit down so that is why i am sitting. when i started out to write this book it came from an experience i had when i was on the governor's staff. one of my jobs as a staffer to governor john west was to attend meetings and to really take notes and sit down for governor and let him know exactly how his agenda was progressing through the legislature. one day in one of those meetings

we were trying to get a piece of progressive legislation passed, the creation of a south carolina human affairs commission, and one of the legislators who was not particularly enamored with that idea said some things in the meeting that i thought had crossed the line. after the meeting i went up to him and i told him what i thought. his explanation to me was, well clyburn you have to understand i am a southerner. well i did not believe that being a southerner meant that you had license to be insulting and to say things that were unbecoming of a public servant in my opinion. and so later that day i said to my colleague i said you know when this experiences over i'm

going to sit down and i'm going to write a book. i'm going to entitle that book i too am a southerner. i said because not only am i a southerner, you are a southerner and phil phil just happen to have been white. i said to him you don't say things like that and i hope you don't think that we. i think that we need to really have a discussion of what it means to be a southerner. so that's the way i started. when i got halfway through the book i have a wall and i just couldn't get it done. i retreated to a little secluded spot in my home where i often go when i am challenged and can't seem to get things done great i call upon my studies of

aristotle who once said a life without contemplation is not worth living. that is where i go to contemplate and give meaning to my efforts. and on that particular day, it suddenly occurred to me that my father who was a fundamentalist minister who would take his last meal of the week every friday around 6:00 and he would not eat a full meal again until after church services on sunday. and he would spend all day saturday reading, writing and preparing himself for his services on sunday.

he would only drink water and be back bread. that's the way he prepared. but when he would get up to walk throughout the house he would be humming his favorite hymn. i wondered what my dad get out of bed hemap? i went and got a copy of the hymn and i read it, and i saw in the first and third verses and especially in the refrain exactly what my dad got out of that song and it was like some kind of transition. i don't know exactly how to explain it but i got back to my typewriter, to my computer and i

began to write. it all came to me and when i finished writing i submitted the book. i had reached 186,000 words. university of south carolina press said to me look, look at our agreement. you don't publish books of this type beyond 150,000 words. you need to find a way to cut 36,000 words out of the book. or it would change the charact character. it would devalue the book and probably drive down readership. so i spent the next almost two years rewriting the book so as to take 36,000 words out and resubmitted it and this is that

product. now, i am going to conclude by reading the last of the preface to give you a flavor of what this book is about. my story is one of national leadership and local advocacy. it's a story of a black youngster who grew up in the jim crow south, five months of his adult life to lower barriers of discrimination and emerge at the national level as a political pragmatist and a consensus builder. when i decided to write this memoir i sought the help of my longtime friend and confidant philip g. gross junior.

phil was a speechwriter for governors robert e. mcnair and john c. west. and he wrote books on both of them. phil's untimely death about two-thirds of the way through my practice gave me great cause in more ways than one. we spent many hours discussing our mutual backgrounds, common heritage and different cultures. he was a tremendous help in style and perspective. but from the very beginning i reserved unto myself all the substance and context. i miss him dearly. i have always been frustrated by those who explain questionable actions towards me and those who look like me by proclaiming

themselves to be southerners, but moderate or conservatives. phil and i share a low tolerance for such behavior and for years i told him that if i ever wrote the memoir he always promised to help me with it would be entitled i too am a southerner. long before it became a son of the south i was an offspring of two died in the wool proudly conservative southerners who treated me and my brothers and the people who look like us with great love and affection. my mother spent long hours in a beauty shop and was a generous

contributor and supporter for the naacp as well as many other community causes and political activities. my dad always ate his last meal of the week around 6:00 p.m. on fridays to begin preparation for a sunday sermon and services. he always spent most of his saturdays fasting, reading and humming his favorite hymn blessed experience. one day while president obama and i were enjoying a round of golf he asked about my appearance as we discuss this project. when i told him the working title and why they had chosen it he broke into his algorithm imitation and started singing

one of the hymns versus. i did not share with the president the little factoid that i feel certain my dad never knew. my dad's mother and the composer of the music to that hamm shared the same not so common given name. in that hamm's refrain all the words. this is my story, this is my song. thank you. [applause] thank you very much. i appreciate it. thank you. and with that i will answer any questions that you may have and

we would like for you to raise your hand if you have a question. someone with a mic will come with you so both the question and answer can be aired if c-span desires to hear this. yes maam. >> hello congressman clyburn. one of your stories he you told a little bit about the bowling alley and how that experience working in the bowling alley rallied around the community. i too am a product of my mother taking me to the bowling alley and having the same experiences and being able to open that up to the community. what advice could you share at this time from your book for a candidate who is looking for ways to rally his comanche to be a support to each and every one?

>> well i think my book is about blessed experiences. a lot of times in order to see the blessings in these experiences you have to look back. i say in part of the preface all of my experiences have not been blessed but i burst -- perceived all of them to be blessings. now one of my professors that factors into the title of this book, my sophomore year at south carolina state, said to me doi doing -- during a back-and-forth one day, young man you must understand that you will never be any more nor will you ever be any less and what you experience allows you to be. i think one of the things that we fall short on in our society

is really learning to respect the background and the experiences of other people. you will find in this book a discussion of the differences between me and emily. emily grew up on a 22-acre farm in the suburb of mosque on a in the white spill area. she grew up walking to school, two miles in the morning, two miles back home in the afternoons. they were not allowed school buses until later. now, i grew up in sumpter on a paved street. i was three blocks from my elementary school. i was six blocks from my middle school and as bill said i

graduated from the academy what we called in those days a boarding school. my dormitory with 20 cents for my academic hall. so i never knew what it was to walk to school for miles and walk back home. and so when i expressed some disenchantment with the court decision in swan v. cao limburg which was the case to integrate the schools in north carolina and i said so publicly. emily sat me down that evening and explain to me and vernacular what it was not to be able to ride the school bus and explain

that i should not ever be a -- so i said when you are running for office it seems to me you would do well to understand that the people you are asking to vote for you. [applause] i think a lot of people get carried away with running for office and see it as tv commercials and that kind of stuff. that is not what being a public server servant is all about to me. it is about respecting people's backgrounds, reconciling differences and doing what you can to move an agenda that everybody can buy into. so a lot of times it may require that you suppress your own feelings in order to really get

an agenda done. i would say to everybody running for office, as i say in the epilogue to this book, the epilogue to this book is a letter to my children, my grandchildren and all other children similarly challenged. and it says to him how i feel they need to conduct themselves if you are going to have a business, get to know your customers. if you want to run for office, get to know the people that you are asking to vote for you. i think that's much more important than for them to get to know you. [applause] >> congressman. >> yes maam.

>> my favorite story in the book ends up anything drop the book and it is the story your father told you and your brothers when you are wrestling and competing with each other about the strength of the cord bound together but as i read your book it seems to me that is a parable or a metaphor for how we should work together and our communities and how we should work together in the nation. could you speak to that parable please? >> thank you very much dr. jordan. this is interesting and in fact i never told that story. it happened when i was maybe 12 or 13 years old. my two brothers and i had gone with my dad to have our 1937 chevrolet work done. that 1937 chevrolet i always say was a good car. you could run into a telephone

pole and there wouldn't be a dent in it but it seemed to know every time saturday came. it would just stop working. so on this particular saturday the three of us went to with dad to mr. singleton's automobile repair place with the china bare tree in his yard. just as mr. singleton up the pulley up to the front end of that car and started to raise the front and said he could get under it to get it running for another week, my brothers and i started playing in the other c car. dad said to us look boys, i don't know how strong this chain is. may pop, the car may drop on one of you. go across the field and play. so we went out across this field. we weren't gone long before we

got into a little physical discussion. now for those of you who would observe that you might call it a fight but it was a physical discussion. we didn't know it but my dad was watching us and after he thought it had gone on long enough he called the three of us over to him and he lined us up in front of him. he had in his hands a piece of cord strain. he was sitting on one of those old wooden drink crates. he handed it first to charles and charles and i went to the -- he could not pop it. he took it back and gave it to cheonan said john you are two years older and stronger. you pop the string. john struggled and they could not pop it.

he said james you are the oldest and you are the strongest. you pop the string. i struggled and i could not pop it. he put that string in the palms of his hands and began to rub his hands together. of course the more he rubbed the more friction heat created and of course the more friction he created the more unraveled the cord strain became. in very short order the cord string was in three pieces. he gave one to charles, one to cheonan and one to me. it i said nagl sons, pop the string. with little effort all three of the path the string. he said boys i want this to be a lesson for you as long as you live. don't you let the little

disagreement that prop up, and you caused so much friction until they separate you because if you do the world will pop you apart and you may never know why. i never shared that story publicly and tell my dad's funeral. and that was the first time. they made a remarkable impact on me. still hasn't every time i see a disagreement cropping up among the three of us, that may threaten our future relationships, i stop. my brother john one time as we were arguing and i said stop the

nervous energy. i said haight, stop. you are not going to change my mind and i'm not going to change your mind. let's talk about something else. so that is the way we get along. that turned out to be one of the favorite stories of most of the people around the country. >> one of the things that i noticed in the book is where he spoke about -- following in your father's footsteps and you are second-guessing that decision. i remember couple of years ago when the edgefield community have a community choir that formed a new came down and you were the guest speaker is john thurmond high school. i remember the speech and the address being so dynamic and

tell when you've finished i whisper to the lady sitting next to me i move that we accept congressman -- and we nominate him. [laughter] ..

>> that wasn't working. [laughter] but i decided i would go off in a different direction so i went off to tell my dad. i thought he would be disappointed and was but did not show which. he said to me on that day the world would much rather see a servant and here one. that is the last time we discussed it. so that gave me license so throughout my entire professional career i've looked back to that.

i just realized that i wrote the preface pretty much after i finish the book. and i realized while writing this book and not second-guessing as to whether or not i had done the right thing but i did not feel and it is hard to make this commitment to not live my servants. i did not think i was ready to live. with the fundamentals i would be preaching. so then as we were about to

get married and we got even. [laughter] [applause] i do a lot more drinking in the evenings and taking communion. >> so now it is extremely exciting to me to do your book signing here. so there are people in the audience i wish to talk about the value of education that kids don't seem to value as much as they should. >> garett issa part in this book that deals with how people react to failure.

when i first ran for office 1970 i lost. iran in 1978 and i lost. iran 1986 and i lost. event at the end of that campaign a friend of mine said what are you going to do now? you have just lost for a third time and you know, what they say? three strikes you are out. i said that is the baseball rule. nobody should live their lives by baseball rules. that young people should live by the state's motto.

the state's motto we have to is the one that while i believe, i hope. so every commencement address i give it would be high school or college or law school. i gave them the same message while i breathe i hope. so you should never give up on your dreams and aspirations. as my mother said to me stay in school study hard.

with not a bet -- i would get kicked out of high school for violating a rule. and she said sun, let me tell you something. the silent treatment is nothing i would be living in hell for three months of i space would get out. [laughter] if you can get the problems of the first time try and try again. their parents and grandparents there is is known caracol limits on how many times you try.

and then to give thomas edison credit of one someone to tell me how many times he failed. and nobody goes around to talk about how the times they failed. they still talk to run his success. education is the great equalizer in our society. you don't have to put the value of -- to have to put the value on education and if you fail bin try again.2@yl i fail physics but not because i could not do it i guess i could but it is hard.

is hard when you stand up but so i neglected going to class and failing means you have something to overcome. so if i had quit after losing the third time i never would have become into the house of representatives. [applause] >> if you probably don't remember maybeck going back to high-school i just want

to say one thing it is because of people like you. of for one and one for all. don't let anything keep you from being the best you can be. god bless. i just feel so lucky. [applause] >> there is the scene in the book where president clinton win it gives you a call by how difficult was that? how much did that ketch you off guard and had you repaired that relationships since? ltd. did catch me off guard. all little after 2:00 in the morning.

nothing unusual for me to stay up late like that on election night to. i am looking at this trend across the country so why go from c-span2 msnbc to see what has happened but the phone rang and emily had already gone to bet there was a conversation with another person before the president came on the line and he was pretty upset because his wife had just been defeated pretty decisively in the primary. and of course, he thought i put my from on the scale save little bit with president obama.

so as i say in the book there was no way for me with my daughter angela who is my young guest 45:00 every day down at the obama headquarters almost every night. and jennifer who is older although not actively involved in the campaign back then two grandchildren -- grandchildren so he thought i did not keep the promise i had made. because south carolina was given the opportunity to be the first day to end the south to have a primary and

i was asked if i could stayed neutral they would not aboard to the state. eyeopener and the part of the book in that particular chapter how did you learn that primary? she did not know. until she would ask the question and quite frankly she asks the morning after the primary. not how he will vote but how did you vote? the first time she asked me that. so i kept my promise but i can understand and i have

headmen the conversations since this one an end to sit next together at a funeral. and we chatted that day and many times since and then chatting with her what she was secretary of state so i don't think there was animosity but certainly it was the tough time and i can understand. spouses are that way about spouses. [laughter] >> good afternoon. and to your family and to ruin the reverend two's leadership i follow here in south carolina.

i am a washingtonian here on the cusp of the county line i was on my way to a leadership position when you were in the black caucus. i attended that. and to my amazement i thought you were a congressman of all people i want to congratulate you on the achievements that you have brought battle the to our nation but internationally. being from washington, you have brought together so many people of all races and we thank you. god bless you and your family. [applause]

>> congressman they q for being here today it is truly an honor to witness history in the making and i thank you and your family for coming here today. i ask you a question for your bride? i don't know if she will. [laughter] the reason why i want to say is an addition to my relationship with christ the next most important is my marriage. on earth one of the greatest accomplishments i have. i know that you mention in your relationship in your book that you have been married 53 years now people are ready to give up on the

job of the time. how could you hold them all together it and it's the of him doing things he does and you maintain your identity to me that support? that right there is a message in itself. [applause] >> it has been a challenge. [laughter] i have tried to be realistic about marriage and holding a family together. you have to share and give up a lot. in any case i am giving up more than he is giving up and in some cases it is the refers. but we tend to do battle

politically. [laughter] but when it comes to family we are together. we tried to raise our children to not pitt's mother and fought there against each other so we are pretty calm about that. we just tried to respect each other's believes it is too much trouble to pack up and go someplace. [laughter] [applause] seven night before the book

signing we have fun number of people give me about 60 seconds people that i want to recognize it took a lot to pull this together because this is under construction the first person i want to acknowledge is joanne. our sponsors. so courtney said jason prize our sponsors in addition there is always a porch.

the electress cent -- said attritions pulling the electrical wiring and the board. and the architecture of this building. so meet us outside. bill and beverly sam, the baptist church family, and the of us cater.9 you'll hear great things later on. and also todd with the camera crew volunteered. the first baptist church allowed us to use their parking space.

and those invitations that went out even the safety department. even the boys and girls club and also of c-span2 thank you for beingq]úp here and for what you do to publicize that we feel that we share as well. we've heard that michael jordan was coming. stand up. [laughter]

but they cute all of you for your support. >> there is a reception there people there to show you to the rest of the building. think you for your time. god bless. [inaudible conversations]

what we were calling the news ticker series, featuring prominent authors. i'd like to thank everyone connect it was listener who helped to organize this evenings event. the guest of honor is done primarily of course for her political goals as first lady,

u.s. senator from new york in the 67th secretary of state. she's also just published her fifth book and has several previous best sailors to her name. so added to the list of credits after hillary rodham clinton should certainly be accomplished author. "hard choices," her memoir about her four years as secretary of state recounts how she came to accept a cabinet position offered by her former political rival and led the effort to deny nations standing around the world. the book also reveals some of the last want cash, less battle hardened side of her not, like wimps in the public humor as come as self-deprecating, maternal, maybe even grant maternal. although hillary credits a small team of people for helping with the book, she carved out months on her calendar to write and

rewrite it herself and there is told to say work that is undeniably in her voice. but also clearly leaves room for future chapters in one worn by more someday. [applause] this evenings event is particularly special. it is particularly special for me because i not only get to introduce the main speaker, but also my wife who will be appearing conversation with hillary. the two of them go back together to the early days of the clinton administration and lissa has sent served with hillary in various roles as white house and state department speechwriter, communications or to the first lady. campaign advisor and collaborator on hillary's white

house memoir, living history. these days when hillary and lissa talk, they spend most of their time discussing the latest great novel, mystery or biography they are breeding. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming hillary rodham clinton and lissa muscatine. [cheers and applause] >> thank you. great. [cheers and applause] thank you so much. [cheers and applause] >> well, that was very nice. it is great to have you. thank you so much.

>> thanks to you and brett are running such a great bookstore, politics & prose. >> speaking up hooks, you got it out for four days now. >> is right. for. >> it's been one of the spaces that was more like when your secretary and you start your books are all over the place in doing these interviews. you keep a pretty frenetic pace. i have to ask you because her the first time i read this book and i read it several times now, i was struck by a kind of lightheartedness. it's a serious book. it deals with obviously very serious issues. but there's a lighter side that comes true. so i am wondering if i've watched you in the first four days and it has been tough interviews to me seem like you're having a good time. >> well, i am having a good time and that is in part due to the

enthusiasm that i have experienced as i've traveled around in the last couple of days. it is a great feeling to everett in a book about for years that were consequential in my view we can talk about that, but which for me were both a personal journey and a very heavy responsibility. and what i tried to do in the vote was write it so that i could give you, the readers, a bit of a peek behind the curtain because the headline certainly tell some of the story, but not all of the story. and it is more difficult to even get information about the so-called trend line. i wanted to combine both. the hardest part for me about writing this book was that it was, believe it or not, three times longer when i first finished it. i wanted to put every funny story, every bizarre adult. i mean, whatever i could

remember and wanted to share. the publisher did say you've got to cut two thirds of this book. and so, i worked hard to keep the combination of seriousness because obviously there is a lot of that, but also the human diet. not just me, but what i saw and learned as i traveled around the world. >> you've never been shy about your opinions, but it does seem to me you are pretty free to speak your mind these days. >> i think that is true. from some of the reactions i've had the past few days. [laughter] i say in the book that a beard is just a wonderful wealth of x. but i've now had. ap it is because i am totally god with, you know, being really careful about what to say because somebody might think this instead of that just gets too exhausting and frustrating. it just seems a whole lot easier

to just put it out there and hope people get used to it. whether you agree with that or not, to know exactly where it coming from, what i think about what i feel, i really believe that is missing in both our government dialogue and of course many of you probably are some houses heated in some way with our government certainly in our political dialogue. there's so many big issues and i talk about some of them, both in nationally and nationally. and i don't agree dean either shouting matches for finger-pointing or biting one's tongue. i think we really need to have an open and straightforward conversation and maybe i'm trying to model that. i don't know, but that is how it feels to me. it feels a little bit liberating to me. >> and it's great to watch i have to say. it's nice to see.

>> you know, there are occasions when people go up a little, including myself to be fair. but i really want to share the experiences that i've had. i came to this job, as i write in the book, and quite an unusual way and that was incredibly surprised when the president asked me to serve as a little surprise when i finally read too. and then it was just from the very first moment a mad dash because we inherited a pretty serious agenda of problems and challenges. so the perspective that i've gained a sink has encouraged me even more to speak my mind contribute what i can to whatever debate is occurring. >> let's talk about the process of writing the book before we get to the substance of it because i remember from the last book you had a day job. you were in the senate and this is really true. honest to goodness truth because i was working with you on the

boat. he did a lot of the work between midnight and 3:00 a.m. and i remember having routine meeting to run your dinner table at 3:00 a.m. we did that for a few months to get it finished. he carved up more time to really focus on it. i think it is interesting. you had a great team working for you, be you or not somebody who's ever taken a draft of a book, speech, chapter and say this looks good. it's been between a cover or publisher right now. it's fine. you've always played over here fighting. you write, rewrite, you still write in longhand on a legal pad and anybody who's been with anyone writing a book knows it's like watching someone go through labor. it's an incredibly painful process, but there's great joy at the end. on the scale of pain and joy, what was the process of writing this book like for you? >> i should preface what i say by making clear that lissa has been my part or in some of the

most portentous writing and speaking that i've done going back to the white house years when she was a speechwriter at the white house. nsa point out in the chapter called unfinished business about women's rights and all gpt rights and other human rights, lissa was my partner in the women's speech and beijing. fast forward, she was also my partner in the living history autobiography. what she has described because the ways this day job that i loved, but i bet and sign the contracts are obligated to produce a book. so i would come home and lissa despite her responsibilities including her wonderful family with bandit dining room room table with me as we struggled over the chapters in living history.

this is different in that i left the state department. i had for the first time in many years much more freedom and control over my unscheduled. i had a third-floor attic study in the old farmhouse that we live in a new york. and i would go up there early in the morning and i would make as many detours as i possibly could. it was always time for something else. it was time to walk the dogs. it was time to go down and get my water because you have to be really well hydrated. i just came up with a million reasons. and then of course i read you really should not set for more than an hour. so that became my favorite excuse. but it was a great experience despite how difficult it was. it was difficult because there was a massive cheerio that we

were trying to condense. it was also hard to relive some of what happened and also to make sense in retrospect about what had occurred. i don't rate advisors and people who would take me scraggly handwriting and trans payday combat with the chechens. it was a terrific process in that way. even though i had more free time to do it, i found it equally intense because once you start writing a book and you're putting yourself in to it, and in my case, as sort of an idea there might be some people who would read every word, looking for something i said that might not be entirely one dozen% true or accurate. so it was painful and i had a great backup with the researchers who helped me.

so i enjoyed it. but if i were to put it on a scale, sundays were off the charts wonderful and sundays were not even on the chart terrible because it was hard to write. and then of course i wanted to make sure it was a fair reflection of what i experienced is what i learned. i had to at some point let it go and hold my breath and i'm pleased with the way it came out. >> the reviews have been really good. >> much to my amazement. >> you may or may not be done with your public life. >> when i finally got >> i did impose upon lissa because she's great reader as well as great writer. i did hold my best because she

has never minced words. that's not what she meant to say. she came back and she had some very good soup sessions. read some positive reinforcing reactions. i have to say that help me breathe a little better. i'm worried i may have totally missed the point of trying to communicate and it's a nice combination of personal, particularly in the beginning when i talk about the creation of this team of rivals with the president and then pretty wonky and dad. there were some chapters i felt called to include, like a chapter about the economic challenges we face abroad and how that affects us here at home

and what it means to be could eating if you're an american business are an american worker against a capitalism. i know that some ice in the editing process and the publisher is kind of rolled a little bit. i said i really need to talk about that because one of my primary jobs that i became secretary given where we were economically was to try to help with the work the president and the secretary of treasury to restore confidence in our economy as well as our political and foreign-policy agenda that. >> i loved it for the first three. any manuscript can be improved on. it may have seemed like there were some denser portions. it's fascinating, entertaining. it's a terrific book and as i

said earlier, you come third in a way that not as much in some of the earlier books as an earlier time in life and career and i think you said you feel more liberated now and i think that comes through. we do and should talk about the substance. he said a minute ago that when you assume the secretary should come to you and president obama came into a raft of problems. clearly there is a perception in this country and around the world that are broad influence was diminishing. our economy was sputtering out fast. some other key alliances were afraid or afraid. karen was making no bones about its interest in acquiring or building a nuclear weapon. china was on the rise and you have the yarn the challenges of climate change in poverty and human rights. and so, i'm wondering if the secretary of state is in somewhat of an exercise in triage. >> that's an interesting way to put it, lissa because i think it

is a multilevel job all at the same time. there are crises that require immediate attention in the intensive care unit. i mean, you have to put everybody together, both physically or virtually. you have to be building those alliance is in tending to those partnerships in the midst of a crisis in order to deal with the crisis. but then there are the emergencies, but not as serious as the one they tend to care unit. if you continue with this metaphor, a big emergency room with all kinds of injuries. people who are there representing countries, representing individuals, nonstate is in the light, all of whom need tending. they are not going away. they are expect to the united states to show up and to make a

move however we define that. and of course there are the longer-term chronic problems, the words filled with people who are struggling. i saw my role primarily to do all it could to restore american leadership. and that meant several things to me. it certainly meant that i had to figure out how to deal with the emergencies and how to 10 to over a broad array of complaints about our country from the prior eight years. it was not just iraq. it was not just the war on terror and the pieces that came to light. it was not just the economic collapse, although that is a trifecta that was waiting on our doorstep. it was the feeling that somehow america had violated our own values, the rules we had help to

construct and pushed for compliance and how countries were supposed to be behaving, whether it was conventions that we assigned against torture or it was the anti-ballistic missile treaties or whatever it may be in that there was a sense of that some parts of the world. that was the message that came through to me when i began making a series of phone calls to leaders in no whom i caught in a show were very clear that they believed america had abandoned her traditional role as a pacific power and wondered whether the obama administration would reassert our presence in a show. we were struggling with the negative reactions with iraq of the on terror. but also the attitude of old europe versus new europe in the sense that somehow america no

longer value this critical relationship across the atlantic. and there is so much bubbling below the surface. we came into office as one born gossett was ending, a new roland israel be informed. we had a very serious set of decisions facing the president and the national out what to do about afghanistan since it appeared the taliban had regained momentum and the gaffer's to try to create some stability with a stronger base for the afghans themselves and govern themselves, it was a long list. triage is a good description and it required other things simultaneously in responding to that analysis. one, it required my presence. when the president asked me to serve as secretary of state, he said i'm going to have to focus

the vast majority of my time in detention on an economic base because as bad as it is, it could get a lot worse. and he said we have to demonstrate that america is no longer going to be bleeding with our military. of course we will maintain the strength of our military, but we need to demonstrate more clearly our values and that we can form partnerships and mobilize common action. that is why i'm asking you because i know you can get on the airplane and start traveling the world. he was a bit of a division of labor to the, which i totally and eventually agreed to kerry. and it was quite striking to me. i made the decision, which are explained in the book to summer break tradition, go to asia in february 29 because half of the trip was just showing up, and

demonstrating they just precut treaty alliances. brief adventurous, political strategic alliance. there were no longer going to be absent and then we worked to pay that in a very public way to send an unequivocal message that the united states would be part of asia's future where so much of the consequential decision-making for the world would be made. i quickly turned around and went to europe in march because i wanted to reassert our relationship. i quote this old brownie girl scouts on making friends but keep the old. what a silver and the other's gold. i wanted it to be a real statement of our commitment to our european partners. and there was so much going on there as a because right before president obama took office, gas

prom, the russian gas utility cut off gas again. they had done that in 2006 and it came apparent to me that the europeans would have to take a look at how dependent they wanted to be on a single source for their energy. sounds familiar. from that very first meeting, we began talking about what could he done to find alternatives. so it was a multitasking of the highest order to try to be president, reach out, come up with new ideas and make clear that america's presence and leadership is going to be front and center once again it would be listening, not just talking. we would work multilaterally, not just unilaterally. and we would use the 3-d policy. not just defense, but diplomacy and develop and to promote our

values and worse receive our interests and protect our security. >> reading the book, one of the quotes you have often used came to mind to me. i think i to see you at one time. politics is as strong and slow boring of hard words. but really comes through in this book is sort of the day-to-day experience of being secretary of state is not just what is the most visible, the sexiest, most interesting even issue. there's an issue and it's very labor intensive and there's a lot of cultivation. you mentioned the asia trip. he lived an important groundwork in indonesia that later paid off in burma with democratic reforms there and all those little things that aren't in the newspaper that nobody knows about bettering your schedule. i should have been a bilateral with the foreign minister some country that we got where it is on the map but must we are extremely well-educated. so i think there really does come through in the book.

>> i'm glad you said that because i wanted that to come through. one of the virtues that i think we americans need to cultivate his patients. and that is true probably in our lives, but it is particularly true in our diplomacy because so much of what the matters in the world is based on building relationships and looking for areas where you can bush some level of trust. and one of the examples in the book, which was quite dramatic actually is how we were able to navigate through the very difficult crisis over wind dissident in china and not endanger the substance of the framework for the relationship we had been building with china.

when i came in, i knew from my time in the senate that we had very good economic discussions with china about currency, about trade. and those had been carried out primarily by the treasury department. but there were so many strategic issues that maybe we would deal with anyone off way. but we could see the chinese are much more common herbal talking about all of the concerns around the economy than they were on political or strategic issues. so one of the first things i did was superposed up in the administration that we combined economic and create the strategic dialogue that would embody all the various individual discussions we had with chinese counterparts. tim geithner agreed and presented it on that first trip.

they responded to it. i'm not that we put together teams from our government and dares to talk about everything unsanitary hygiene standards for food and produce for safe your choice to environmental, clean energy, joint projects to student exchanges. we put it all out there to build a much more comprehensive connection between our two governments that i hoped would not just last for one president, but be part of building a framework into the future. we had intense meetings throughout the year. that would have an annual strategic and economic dialogue rotated between washington and beijing. i spent a lot of time with my counterparts, the counselor david rohde and foreign minister jan cici and lots of in-depth discussion. so fast forward to tonight i am

home here in washing 10 and the phone rang and i am told by dissident has escaped from house arrest and he is trying to make it to the u.s. embassy in beijing for safety and refuge and also to be given emergency medical treatment for the foot that the answer. the question was what i direct our embassy staff to go out, meet him, pick him up and bring him in. now, by any waiting of values and interests, you can see why a call this book "hard choices." i'm the one hand, we have this comprehensive relationship. we were making progress in a number of areas. others were solved, but we had developed very candid discussions of which in another's alphas this that

forward. and i was supposed to be leaving in just a few days for the annual meeting in beijing. that had been the cornerstone of our efforts to develop a more strategic deeper understanding of china. yet we have this human rights activist who thought to himself, i am being unjustly imprisoned in my house. i need to escape. and where would i go? the one place in the world where he taught the values of freedom and human rights would be embodied come and namely the embassy the unit dates of america. and so there was a way and i have to do it in a very short period of time. and i concluded that we would go out and pick -- to fulfill from

the very beginning. it was a consequential. there were people who disagree with it, but i felt comfortable throughout the difficult period of negotiation ecocide.at the end of the day we were able to negotiate with the chinese over the outcomes with respect to mr. chen and his family. we also kind of has strategic and economic dialogue. but we would not have been able to do that had we not in best at the time and the patience and developing those relationships. and it is some pain that i have

to be reminded my colleagues in government or elsewhere, we often as american show up with an agenda. here's a way to, then they ought to do that and then we're out of there. that still is not the way most people in the world behave. they want to take your measure. they want to have a meal, maybe a cup of tea, talk about other things. a rubber coin into a meeting with the king of saudi arabia, king abdullah. and we were in a huge meeting room and i spent about 15 minutes talking with 10 and talking with the foreign minister about camels. i describe it in the book because i had driven up from the airport with the foreign minister and we have been all these callous that were out in the desert as we drove i to the

camp of the king and the foreign minister was telling us how much we just liked campbell's. that's not liking kangaroos. there's just so hard to imagine. but we are having a bit of a banter back and forth every guide to the meeting i was a large formal setting. i turned to the king and said your majesty, the foreign minister says he doesn't like camels. the king says what is wrong with him? we started having this conversation. so when we got to the real meat of it over lunch, where just the king and i could hear one another any of these two television that is hollow square table that was going away so no one could hear were seen except each other, we then get down to business because we have actually interact this to people, not to officials in a hurry. and i try to make a point over

and over in the book that we just have to invest more time and that takes patience and it takes people willing to do that, to build those relationships. but i don't think we can achieve our goals without that. >> either way, the chen story is one of the cloak and dagger life imitates art kind of stories in the book. it is amazing when you read it. can't possibly have happened the way it did. i also want to say you've improved dramatically in your pronunciation of foreign names. [laughter] i was impressed used both ends of the chinese leaders. not just the easy one syllable one. >> well, lissa traveled with the often as first lady and in the beginning of my time in the state department is ahead of my speechwriters at the state department. and it is true. i have absolutely no ear for language and its rate regret. i took latin when i was in high school and i think it's healthy

with my vocabulary or least i hope it did because i took four years. and then i took french when i went to wells lake. i was enjoying it. i was not good at it, but i was learning and i loved the literature part. i got it down that if you're writing critiques of french literature i could say things that love is hate, hate is love and the professor what say french. when i went to the army to see my french professor i said thinking about this course or that coors. he has not a result, your your talents lie elsewhere. [laughter] >> but she's pretty good now. >> are so many other things i want to talk about, but it's been a few messy days in iraq and i wish we could get your quick reaction to that. >> well, let me back up and

start where we were when president obama took office. president bush had established a timetable for american withdrawal in 2011 as i recall. unless the iraqis agree to what is called a status of forces agreement that gives the necessary protections to americans soldiers. there is a great deal of work done to try to figure out what the iraqis what if any follow one american force would be necessary and accepted. they needed intelligence. they needed trainers. they needed the kind of leadership's guild inculcated in the reconstituted iraqi army after it had been dissolved in the bush administration. well, it came down to the fact that maliki would not present a status of forces agreement and

have made the decision inevitable. there is not going to be an agreement for american troops to stay, even to perform limited noncombat functions. the underlying problem here is not one of military preparedness and security although we've seen neither is present in the conflict. the problem is the conception of government that maliki brought to the job of prime minister should. he would not commit to an inclusive government. he would not share power except with a very, very small circle. he was often quick to attack, even investigate, charged with

crimes those who politically disagreed with him. and as a result, the inclusive governance structure that reached out to the elements, particularly the sunnis in iraq to try to overcome yes, very deeply felt historic differences, but necessary changes if there were to be stability in iraq never happened. and the result of that failure at the governance level combined with the extraordinary success islamist extremist groups in syria and in particularly the one now known as the islamic state of iraq area has made this latest craze says especially

dangerous. you don't have a government that can inspire loyalty even among its army and certainly not among its disparate group. and you have well-trained, very savvy fighters coming out of syria, coming out of iraq, often aided and abetted, perhaps we are learning by former officers in the disbanded saddam hussein iraqi army. and it is a recipe for a horrendous conflict. they request that maliki is they came the president to provide support i know are being carefully can better. but i think that it's also

imperative that maliki be presented with a set of conditions if you are to discuss seriously any kind of military support for the site again to jihads s. and that's a delicate and difficult task for our government because we certainly don't want to fight their fight because he would be fighting for a dysfunctional, unrepresented, a rotarian government. and there is no reason on earth that i know of that we would never sacrifice a single american life for that. [applause] it is a however serious potential crisis with broad regional and even global goods.

the capture of the turkish took not, the threat to all the embassies in fact, most particularly ours. the discipline of the patchwork, the kurdish forces as they does protect kurdish areas, but also a fair to take over some of the cities, particularly clear-cut, which they have always believed should be buyers. what role will they ran play if you read and then cuts force -- cuts force troops to assist maliki the way they assented both quds forest to support