them they call you every name in the book. where are they going to be in 20 years on marriage? answer, they don't know. they will tell you when they get there. ..

>> >> if you like the conservative belief of decentralization and a more balanced government, one thing as a conservative what you say to your progressive friends this is good. the government should do this. but doesn't really have to? better yet does the federal government have to? could it be done by a us state or county or a charity? that is the other thing about progressive as they

push everything into a federal central position. everything. nothing private or the local everything done at the federal level. they know that about themselves. they will never accept marriage or a portion in-house have been defined by the 50 states they want everything at the national level. >> later today we will have a program about one of reagan's most famous when dash favorite presidents of what portrait did he put it in the oval office? >> calvin coolidge to buddy like to right eisenhower also. >> we're talking about calvin coolidge. [laughter] >> of those are the other two. >> thank you very much. of.

[applause] >> host: today's tip nine his book "clinton, inc." the audacious rebuilding of a political machine." we'll come. this is so interesting the summer of 2014 cash hillary

clinton looks like she is inevitable democratic nominee i said that if the to her pullovers are daunting and there are a number of books about the clintons' especially hillary clinton. now your book comes out and that a neil you take is fascinating because the suggestion is the clintons are not just a marriage of 38 years but a political partnership thickhead business enterprise that the foundation to hundred $40 million last year? that is the incredible way to look at them as a business. help us to understand what are the dimensions of the "clinton, inc."? >> guest: there are several leaders and i suggest they are emerging leaders and also suggested

not just a primary goal of money it is the major gold also political fortune since leaving in a cloud of scandal and impeachment to fight their way back to create this organization that is a multimillion dollar now sitting on top of the political e. lee to whether or not you decide to run it does not matter because no other political couple achieved so much success in so little time income from where they are. >> host: in the foreword humans and they have unquenchable thirst for

wealth and power. so given that they, through the impeachment and scandal you john see this as a good thing but evidence of shamelessness? >> in just to stand up on stage there is nobody better than me and it is not all bad. one thing is the of philanthropy or that addition of doing philanthropy and perhaps in some ways has helped people touche trickled down in the across the world so there is shamelessness for sure not totally but of more complex

and nuanced approach. >> he did not suggest it should be that what did he suggest? >> how the mutual marriage and. >> power earlier couple? it is just strikes me that conservatives at the moment are preoccupied with hillary clinton but part of that preoccupation is the idea that the liberal media is insufficiently critical to the clintons. part of that people are reluctant to talk about "clinton, inc.." >> guest: this is part of the conundrum. now what they say is political game but when i was reporting a was struck pelmeny all they have nice things to say about the

clintons and it is attributed to the systematic approach to win over their enemies. clinton was impeached by republicans not democrats they realize the problem was with republican so he has the late night phone calls with nuking corridor he sees one senator great job on tv last sunday. small complement's that are meaningful and donahue and lovell he wins over the enemies from james wrote in to help to the the impeachment he lost reelection largely because they exchanged letters these days. one issue is they were run over by bill and hillary clinton and hillary is

incredibly nice and also since the gramm is the impeachment leader and is often unfair if image but also hilary's because that is the important key to understand how this came back as a republican part of. so they only say nice things even if we don't credit them to say nasty things they have for feelings that is the human interaction but it could be won over easily when a powerful man gives you a compliment you look forward to more favorability. so in 2008 that hillary's

problem was never with conservatives her problem was that she had not won over the democrats and they were disappointed that bill clinton as president was not the transformation of a liberal president they envisioned a and he could not be the ronald reagan they wanted instead it was at that time of relative prosperity but nonetheless the problem with democrats over the last five years. >> just to follow up when he is sick and remember one of the prime antagonist's during the presidency for

the clintons with all conspiracy theories but then what happens? >> as you suggest he was the past right wing conspiracy finding all these overbore the tax in the '90s us staunch anti-clinton and conservative the way the koch brothers are painted now and he receives a letter about reach from bill clinton himself. i am sorry i hear you're not doing well. i pray for you. sincerely bill. that is remarkable. >> that illustrates your point also how bill clinton reaches out to to john mccain as he is running with democrat barack obama.

in is the heat of the campaign there is the financial crisis but on this like he is receiving phone calls from none other than bill clinton to talk about the state of the race among american voters want to hear and all sorts of things regarding the campaign and i asked senator mccain, that sounds like he was giving you a vice. he says that may be too far but nevertheless it is clear it sounds like a vice like a campaign consultant and that shows no matter what happens they always look out for themselves in a matter their fortune the clintons want to secure their place in history for the next

election whenever that might be. >> host: here in this book you actually say contrary to public perception bill is cold and calculating but held every you described as warm and personable. >> i a grew up with the clintons and i did not get to know them until reporting on the book and i was shocked people that knew them does the general perception was wrong and it is the opposite of reality. so bill clinton is great to hang out with than to have a beer with him and hillary clinton is a cold calculating unapproachable goldman but people who know them and like them say it is

opposite that bill clinton is the constant politician constantly seeking his own place and legacy and cold and calculating and consequently doesn't have any long-term friends. he had a son that hang on that benefit with the relationship but any sorts of friends come in and out but hillary has real friends is considered likable that she is considered warmer and fundy although that is subjective. >> host: that is curious because the summer 2014 hillary clinton star seems to be rising and especially conservative tide people hell on wheels bound to bring her down says you have

to read daniel halper book so are a conservative is going to be disappointed age you don't portray her as the wicked witch? >> i cannot speak for them but i speak for myself and i believe what i is an honest accounting there is some good in some bad but there are more complex to the then we may suggest in any staunch liberal may not like parts of my book and others may be disappointed in some parts but the point is it is the accurate portrayal of who they are as far is cited tel and as far as i could see and i am surprised people seem to like it and appreciate if you take it nuanced approach to the

people you can understand them better then maybe it is helpful to learn about it to have a sense of cushy is than the concoction. >> host: we live in highly partisan times what i do for a living is political politics. anybody taking up the book on the right will say where is the dirt? still let me suggest some nuggets. instead of me proposing said dirt you tell me what you think is the church in the book "clinton, inc.." >> guest: i think the phone call with clinton and mccain. >> but to potential give him of way to attack barack

obama. >> host: the back story would be that if obama loses it opens the door better for hillary. >> guest: absolutely another element is as i talk to a few law school friends said she is the enthusiastic pot smoker in law school that cannot be a big deal with old bill clinton and smoked. he did not inhale. [laughter] rigo barack obama has smoked marijuana and other presidents not a big deal except one month ago she goes on network to say she has never. it shows she is not always telling the truth be shed she is a nice warm person she is not as good as a politician.

so then she pretends to be a politician and evans applying because she says what she thinks people want to hear not the truth. but when she does she says when she left the white house she was broke. it is true. she tells the interests and she sounds crazy because nobody feels sorry for hillary clinton favors a $12 million in debt and sign dash a million dollars book deal and made $110 million in speeches why are be supposed to feel sorry for her? so that conundrum she cannot tell the truth because when she does have forces her to lie in that is a problem she

has to contend wes. >> host: it is interesting she told the truth. she was broke. >> host: how much dirt? >> guest: let's back off on the word in your time i talk about chelsea's role in it "clinton, inc." as the emerging force of "clinton, inc." i tell a story of a couple of aides to president clinton starting a consulting company and they decide to have a meeting with bill clinton, chelsea clinton and chelsea's husband and sees to a some time chelsea asks in the media and your mother is secretary of state this is inappropriate we will not do that. the aides are no longer close to president or

hillary clinton in the relationships have been severed. it shows that there is a new force in the clinton world the of loyalty because there is knowledge the only people loyal to each other are the clintons themselves the only three people cannot be replaced are built, hillary and chelsea anybody else's replaceable if you cross them that is said. after that does not matter. but it is to portray where they are right now put people are talking to reporters. because they know their place is not secure and this

is a problem they have within their company they seek to move it to the 2016 election which i am not sure that they can do. >> host: so now i will throw some dirt to. talking about "clinton, inc." and the foundation one of the ways they raised money is through the clinton global initiative. not only here with the very wealthy to talk to have access to president clinton but have us situation where the fbi director says he needs help from the saudis and when the word comes back to have the president ask for access but then later hears he does not ask for

help to have that mystery but instead asks for money for "clinton, inc."? >> guest: and famously contentious relationship never before heard of but i think it is a 10 year appointment i don't know the answer. but sessions was before him so he must have. regardless he takes his job seriously they want to give him the white house pass and come and go away and he says no. i don't want direct access i want a log by not doing anybody special favors i you

want to do my job to the best of my abilities automatically it starts off with a contentious relationship with bill clinton. and it is made worse he is pursuing the scandals and the ising gulf of clinton administration. and to he is only in it for bill clinton. in the suspects are held by saudi officials to make sure they can cooperate and have access. so all the groundwork has been laid and the deputies

that each level have the counterparts they know the conversation will take place. bill clinton in his private meeting does not bring it up he brings up the donation to his own foundation to as the saudis that he secures. he would have had the ability for them to say go-ahead a and investigate. we will cooperate and give you ask -- access but it is stifled because clinton will lot. >> host: instead he asks for many. >> guest: he got 10 or 20 million that time. >> host: so another item is you suggest pahari hot dash bill clinton behaved recklessly with his sexual attitudes and actions with the woman whose name is

julia? why do you know, ? >> guest: recklessness is to be of burned he has been his that way his entire political life and his recklessness that gets him to the white house and the first place. we talked about shame and recklessness is required by any politician because you stand up to win people over a and the stakes so high into humiliate yourself on such a grand scale that any politician needs to be reckless but he takes it to use the extreme. his recklessness hands and in arkansas and his presidential campaign, it hurts. >> host: we are talking about sex. >> guest: yes but on many different levels.

it is not just the sex but she would do stuff in the oval office that you would do things while on the campaign not just the philandering but he would take such risks at certain times when it could come back to hurt you in he understands politics and how these things manifest themselves and how they can hurt him. >> host: he thinks he is still having affairs? how do you know, this? is this supposition? >> guest: node no no. this is not just supposition is walt vetted. in the 2008 campaign aides and by santa not bring a mistress on the campaign trail it would not be good politics to bring a mistress

and in iran air act of discretion he decided not to but normally he is not to indiscrete it is a common occurrence and one aide told me that bill clinton is a political genius whether an artist you have a flawed but his plot is women. so that sums it up. >> host: but there is one specific woman he has a long-term relationship? >> guest: i think there are multiple women. i talk about one specific in the book but more broadly there are more. >> host: what did you learn about mrs. clinton's reaction is? >> guest: that is the common question and the general consensus is she probably doesn't know and doesn't want to know and she realizes that bill clinton

has this flaw in she has been humiliated and she understands how he works and operates a and she doesn't want to know the details. the way the clinton world works is bill clinton has his own staff, a secret service detail, that is completely separate from hillary clinton who has thrown secret service detail and staff and even smaller than chelsea's so there is separation to keep the people separate secret service details can communicate to know when somebody is coming or going or somebody dropping in on you. that is how would is with

"clinton, inc.". >> host: another piece of dirt that clinton actually rape somebody? >> guest: you are referring to news of monica files files that i obtained for the book and are a essentially a detailed list of media requests that monica lewinsky received the file their representatives had on bill clinton that they wanted to use against him but monocoque would not let them. the point is not to suggest that but they had a file they could have used against bill clinton but monaco was too in love to work against him and was politically naive to try to hurt him that way. >> host: you think it is true?

>> guest: it has been reported on before and has appeared in other books. they believed it is true certainly they thought it could be very damaging but monica would not pull the trigger and did not want to ring gauge him that way that shows how the clintons have benefited greatly by who their enemies are. also to benefit the people who have been embarrassed by them. monica lewinsky is the great example. . .

you could start with the recent talk about the head injury and people suggesting they suffered brain damage. i don't see any evidence of it but you suggest that either it could be that she might have had a stroke or curiously she may have been drinking and falling down. >> guest: two things. when i was talking i would say

what is one of the reasons hillary might not run and without fail the number one reason is how everybody thinks that health is an issue and she's almost 70. it was an issue for john mccain and any president even ronald reagan but he was able to turn it into his favor. so the point is health is an issue because people want to have -- people want to have faith in the commande commanderf to peer up to the task and it's not just an issue for the credit like karl rove or other people have talked about it but it's the current people that recognize her health might not be what it is. the commonality that i kept hearing was stroke. her health records are not public. she will probably have to release them at some point but even bill clinton said she needed six months to recover it was such a big problem.

>> guest: >> host: is that related to drinking? >> guest: though i think that's been mischaracterized. the point about drinking is i quote one node: ten hater as commenting that perhaps it was about drinking so the point is actually to show how clinton haters who benefited greatly by who their adversaries are and this is a perfect example because it shows how they will take one kernel of truth, the truth being that there were jokes that she drinks and barack obama made a joke about her drunk texting him and stuff like that so the point was to show these bio by the republicans get why your guy.

this thread comes across that she was drunk and hit her head. chelsea i isn't the child of bil clinton but now you have in here a very close intimate relationship between he and mrs. clinton. >> guest: she will have to answer for things like that, some of the charters that will come about. i had people swear to me they had a relationship. that they saw them kissing or whatever. and by the way it's been in other books also. that isn't new.

that has been reported on for the last 20 years. i don't necessarily be weeded. the point was to show id leave, i know for a fact these things happened so it was to show these are issues she has to contend with because all of these rumors constantly swirling around her. i'm not perpetuating the rumors i'm just showing these are rumors that exist that she would have to deal with in the 2016 run. >> host: given who you are what is the truth? >> guest: i wasn't there. >> host: but in terms of the reporting what have you been able to confirm either in terms of vince foster and hubble and of course foster on a much larger scale connects to decide everybody is wondering what happened. remember all of that. >> guest: they talked about

how they hate very close relationship and that it wasn't common for a man and a woman to be so close to each other and things like that. it'll have, like i said, people have talked about yes i saw them kissing, i saw them -- i don't know -- i mean, i don't know. it doesn't seem anyway in character but in a way it is sort of constantly ascribed to her and how do you -- are you supposed to just discount it automatically because the credible sources are telling you these things or are you supposed to say that perhaps -- it is a contention when you write books like this and when you try to frame these people and try to understand who they are you've come across things that are sometimes unbelievable and you don't believe them right of way. you try to do your diligence and that's what i tried to do here. i am not saying that they've done anything that they haven't

done. what i am saying is people will ask questions about these which is slightly different. >> host: in another episode involving mrs. clinton and bill clinton you have been putting pressure on a reporter, david shuster. what happened here? >> guest: in 2008 he is a liberal talking head on the liberal network msnbc. he is somewhat critical of the clintons and just like basically everybody else on the network like chris matthews and what's not, but david shuster is hosting his own show or guest hosting for so many one night st and he asks a question. he says -- the question is about chelsea clinton and her involvement in the campaign and he wants to know and she is calling superdelegates to get them on board to support the campaign over barack obama's and

the question that arises david shuster asks his guests is she being pimped out by her campaign. chelsea being the child for their own benefit. are they whatever. that isn't a question that he asks. the clintons go ballistic and are serious. they are offended and said to be crying and when she hears about this, that is what the aides that saw her told me. but, so david shuster doesn't really think much of it. he doesn't think it is a bad thing and eventually he gets called into to talk to the suit that the convict because they are hearing complaints about it so he decides he will apologize and he goes on tv and he apologizes.

that is apparently not enough to satisfy them. they are still upset that he is on tv. he tries to convince them that hillary clinton is just using him and his example as a way to better the campaign and show that he's -- she is a victim because she does while. monica lewinsky, great for the members. so that's sort o that sort of t. he's trying to make this argument and they are not really hearing anything about it. meanwhile, hillary clinton is threatening to cancel the debate at msnbc that the democratic debate is scheduled to hold in a couple of weeks. msnbc doesn't do well in the ratings. so shuster is in trouble and also what is happening is david shuster is getting complained about to the msnbc parent

companies in america and company they are general electric. the board members are receiving phone calls from clinton inc., and they call it the president of msnbc and they say why do you have this guy on their calling chelsea clinton a price could? why he is one of my journalists calling chelsea clinton made prostitute? you work at a news station and hear complaints i'm sure the things you say on tv probably every single day. day. but not many people that complain go directly to the top. you're not just talking about the ceo of fox. you're talking about the ceo of whoever the appearance company etc.. nobody is going to rupert murdoch to talk about what somebody on -- whether a talking head is saying that that is what is happening here. and so he is giving a two-week

-- shuster is given a two-week paid suspension from the network and it hurts his career and he no longer works at msnbc. and partly it's contributed to this because ithat because it hs standing at the network. >> host: so this is someone with a lot of connections as the former secretary of state, but the picture that you are painting is one of involvement also with the money so let's go back to the clinton inc., part. how much -- i said between 214 million last year was the wealth of the clinton foundati foundation. how much are the clintons were? >> guest: that is a tough question to pin down. this is what we know. they know that they have made a $40 million from the books. he writes a 15 million of the book and she writes an 8 million-dollar book and a 14-dollar but -- $14 million so

they've paid for those as well. so we know they've made at least $40 million of books. we know based on reports they neepaid over $110 million on speeches alone and they have over $750,000. that's good work if you can get it. and so we know that that's about $150 million. we know that the own two homes and they are not worth anything like that around $5 million apiece. and we know that there are other consulting fees that are paid to that. so, i think a reasonable estimation is publicly about $150 million. that is reasonable. cynic that separate. that is the personal wealth separate from clinton inc.? >> that's correct. look at it give the public is basically you can't separate everything because it is

combined together. but it is not in the foundation bank account. that would be in their own. stick that is 150 in their bank account and then 214 or so in the foundation bank account? >> something like that. that's the revenue from last year but they had money in the bank so more than that. >> it's a lot. you are talking about a multimillion dollar organization and about people who when they look at the white house bottle may or they broke up i talked to an aide that went with them from house to house as they were looking to buy homes in new york so hillary could run for the senate in new york and the aid said she was amazed when they walked into an old 70s home they were like i love this shag rug and ornaments and stuff. these are people that they hadn't lived in their own house since the 70s. you know, they hadn't been on the public dime for that many years, almost two decades with a

short stint when bill clinton lost to the reelection of the early '80s as the governor. not only were they poor that they didn't understand how people lived. they lived in this bubble for so long they had a secret service detail. don't complement to these things in front of the reporters they don't want to you're anything like this. and so it shows just how they were stuck in a time capsule how they really have to fight their way out. but it also shows public service campaign extraordinarily well and can be incredibly lucrative. if you want to be rich don't think business, go into politics and be the next president of the united states and you can become a hundred millionaire thanks to people like the clintons who have redefined the way politics work.

>> host: let's look at another angle which is the people that serve the clintons and you mentioned the three primarily james carville, paul, rahm emanuel and now the mayor of chicago and in the secondary road you have people like maggie williams and cheryl mills. one fascinating thing about this is you talk about how those that were key lieutenants have been pushed out. that's bill richardson and george stephanopoulos. why don't you tell those stories? >> guest: he was the token indications director. >> now the host of good morning america at msnbc. >> the good morning america host. he got a rise in american politics and working for bill clinton and he wrote what is a pretty good book and a pretty

good memoir and it gives you the flavor unlike most of these political memoirs it's fairly honest and fairly revealing about the inner workings of the clinton white house. but it'd get into doing hi themy favors among bill clinton who was personally mortified and embarrassed that he would write something like this and reveal the clinton white house was enormously chaotic. they feared either option's. dick morris and the way that stephanopoulos says that they would leave for the day having agreed to a plan was some sort of a strategy for the campaign and they would come back and bill clinton would have said okay this is what we are doing. and stephanopoulos is like what happened? what went on and it would turn out that bill clinton was talking to dick morris and they were having private phone conversations that he was not a part of and which is fine. it's his prerogative but i don't think that stephanopoulos

appreciated it. he wrote that in his book and that in a way bill clinton i told the story bill clinton at the first race track she's in front of a big group of people, some republicans but not all. i think don jodi was there and the governor of maryland and a number of others and he tells the story of stephanopoulos finding out about gennifer flowers and the audience is shocked but bill clinton is bringing up gennifer flowers but he's bringing up gennifer flowers so that he can knock stephanopoulos in front of all these people and look like a fool so he says stephanopoulos got on the floor in the fetal position and basically started crying and bill clinton is telling the story and everyone is just how is he throwing his aid under the bus like that and it's because he didn't like it.

he didn't like the guy and he took it out on him and he made sure because bill clinton wants to be loved by everybody except people who cross him. >> and there was a reunion and he was not invited to any of the reunions. and then with richards and it's also the case he is quoted in the book as saying he wants the forgiveness but it doesn't feel obligated. >> bill richardson is the governor of new mexico where he was in the cabinet in the two positions. the energy secretary in the un ambassador. but he becomes the governor of new mexico and he runs in 2008 but that doesn't do so well. he doesn't resonate for many reasons but for his own reason he doesn't designate while withh the voters and is soon out of the race. he is a hispanic governor of new mexico and he is a cleansing diet is so he assumes he can win him over and endorse hillary

because this is in the battle for barack obama and hillary clinton. i think that richardson -- bill clinton goes out to the mexico to watch the super bowl and he is going to ask. he's not going to leave without getting an endorsement but he doesn't budge and he decides later to endorse barack obama. he is and won over by clinton. instead he looks at the poll numbers and realizes hillary isn't going to win and barack obama did this if you would rather throw them in with the winner and the loser. calculations like that are made in politics. richardson makes one himself and, you know, he's dead to the clintons. they are not happy with it and they go after him in public and they -- it is a remarkable story.

>> host: what we have here if you are part of a conservative concern about hillary as a powerful force coming for 2016 and you read the book you would say okay now i have these pieces potentially of the perspective about that past. but as i said this comes in the summer when people are saying there are all these books and everyone is trying to attack hillary. the most famous now is this ed klein book about obama and clinton. what is your take as the author of the book about that? >> i don't want to comment about books i have not read. i've seen some press reports but i don't know anything about it other than what's out there. but i can tell about story clinton's book. her book is what i call a 600 page press release.

it's $35 you can go read her take on what she wants you to think of her. i don't think it's a very accurate picture of who she is. it's not that, you know, it's not -- it's worked over by such a team to not get any problems in the future but it is just a boring book and i think that many we viewers have agreed with me. so i think that while there are a number of clinton books there is hillary clinton which is a 600 page press release and there was also another book previously that came out in february that was also about hillary clinton's time but that was written by a former staffer for debbie wasserman schultz the head of the democratic national party so i think if you want to read more interesting and sometimes critical but sometimes flattering but more nuanced books there's an interesting book that tries to tell a more

complete story and i'm excited about it. >> do you think that in some ways they would disqualify her? >> the title is revealing in that way. it's not she must be stopped or the country is going to hell. this is a book that shows who she is, what they've been up to and where they are headed in the pitfalls that lie ahead. that's what i tried to tell the books. i tried to talk to the senators and former cabinet members and i talked to the democratic and republican residence and i talked to the congressman and critics and friends, i talked to as many people as i could and i tried to tell their stories about the clintons and how this isn't just me reading press

reports and putting it together but this is a thorough report. >> host: what does that mean talking about the lieutenant then going into the campaign? what can we expect? it sounds like it is a field universe clinton inc., and a part of it being hillary clinton's 2016 campaign. how do these related? at one point you are talking for example about chelsea clinton as the campaign manager. the royal child. so, she is now at the point she could run the presidential campaign? >> guest: i tried to describe it like this you have a family business and we know how the family businesses tend to work with they tend to be in charge of the family and everybody else is sort of auxiliary.

clinton inc. is very much a family business. if you are in the family, you are not only is replace secure for life but you are always there and you are always in charge. when a daughter or son comes into a family business, they are allowed usually and certainly in this case to tell the aides were the staff members how to work out how the work should be done. this is what is going on. she comes in and she is -- because of her own ambitions and reasons she is a disruptive force in the clinton inc., and fat is something they are trying to contact with because it is complex but basically her parents are not able to say no to her. chelsea's parents are -- chelsea is the one thing they've been true to their whole life. they love her truly and they obviously think the world of her daughter. and so when she comes in and she starts demanding things they are not able to say no. with bill clinton at a more

complicated relationship and it is a father daughter relationship where the father has been called previously cheating on the mother. i think that it creates a guilt complex within the father to where he can't say no to her and likewise i think that hillary is a guilt complex within her to where she feels guilty that she wasn't always there for the raising of chelsea clinton and it manifests itself in a sense that she's not able to say no although she is more than they'll apparently able to say no to her coming and i think that is a sort of remarkable situation where you have a third emerging ceo and what it means for the 2016 campaign is that she is effectively going to be in charge because she will have just as much say as the candidate because if you are the campaign manager and chelsea clinton calls you up and says we want you to do this is the kind from you or your mom that makes

her the de facto campaign manager and that makes her a fix to flee in charge. so, it suggests to me that it doesn't bode well for her campaign because she doesn't know what she's doing. running the campaign as hard and you are creating a multimillion dollar organization separate from clinton inc., in a way that obviously has become complex and that spans 50 states that it's hectic and fast moving and she has never done anything like that before. there is no sign within her that she would be any good at it and to effectively be in charge it could be detrimental for a re- clinton while she's pregnant. >> host: she's going to be having a baby and i would think that that would also be something that preoccupies her during this period. >> guest: i don't know how that would work exactly. but this was a concern that i discovered in reporting this

book. these are not my concern is looking at it. these are concerns that i worked with the aides to have a handle on how things operate within the clinton world. sure the pregnancy might change things for some of the dynamics obviously, but i'm sure things will work through. there are women who raise children and work and so i don't see why chelsea wouldn't be able to be one herself. i think she will be just fine. >> host: all this talk about the idea that is a partnership as much as a marriage and clinton inc., and the ambition and power seeking and all the rest, there is a moment where you are talking to joe lieberman and he says when he is overhearing the conversation but then the two of them -- >> guest: they sound remarkably happy to talk to one another. they call each other sweetheart and they are very tender to each other. one of the questions that is

frequently asked about when talking about this book is is there love in that relationship and yes, there is a lot of love in that relationship. it's ultimately a business partnership i think there is a lot of love. one old friend to hillary clinton will mean it works a little bit like this. i said the same thing. he is unfaithful to her and yet she stands by her man constantly. how does that work? he said it like this. they both love the same thing. hillary clinton loves and adores bill clinton. she thinks the world of him and bill clinton loves bill clinton and thinks the world of him and that's how he described it. [laughter] and i think that's probably how that relationship pretty much worked. >> host: so you are the editor of the online weekly standard. and so, the question would be as

part of the conservative media in america and people looking at the book do you think that there is a case built here by daniel halper? use that it doesn't disqualify her but -- >> guest: that isn't the case i'm making. i don't know whether after reading this book somebody might decide that there is no way that they could eve never vote for hillary clinton. or i don't know the opposite. people are sort of smart enough to know who they should vote for and i don't want to go around telling people who to vote for my contention is this is an amazing story to where they are today and that is what i'm trying to tell is this amazing story. so it's not, you know people will conclude what they want to conclude and i can't control that what i ca i can control isy that i told.

>> host: but you are not a clinton hater. >> guest: i grew up reading about "the new york times" and "newsweek" and i grew up in the car on the way to school my mother had npr on and that's how i learned about the clintons. ..