what he calls the country's most powerful political couple of and how he says they are positioning themselves for return to the white house. this program is about an hour. >> welcome to afterwards. today daniel halpern and his new book clinton aide, the audacious rebuilding of a political machine. welcome. >> guest: thank you. >> host: the summer of 2014. hillary clinton looks like she is the inevitable the regretted nominee. i say inevitable with a bit of a stock because we have been here before, but this time her numbers are just daunting. and in this summer there are a number of books about the clintons and especially hillary clinton. ..

bill and hillary clinton although there are emerging leaders which we can get into. i also suggest that it's not just the primary goal of money like any other corporation because it is a magical but it's also political fortune. the clintons since leaving the white house in a cloud of scandal and impeachment and all these unsavory things have really fought their way back there to have created this organization which is multi-million dollars anyway multinational, and they are not sitting on top of the political

and global elite. whether not she sides to run, whether that she ends up running, or becomes president that doesn't matter because the story is fascinating. as you suggest this is never been done before. no other political couple have achieved so much success in so little time and, really from such an idea where they were. >> host: in writing, in the forward part you mentioned that they have an unquenchable thirst for wealth and power. you say that the subtitle actually is meant to kind of skewed because you talk about audacious rebuilding. so given that the come from a point where they went through the impeachment and the scandal, you don't see this as a good thing. you see this as evidence of people who are shameless in a way. >> guest: there isn't element of shamelessness. any sort of politician requires a set of shamelessness in order to stand up on stage and say i'm

the best. there's no better person than me. trust their future in me and my ability. so there is a bit of shamelessness but it's not all bad. it's not all, one of the keys to the success has been this philanthropy, or least this vision of them doing philanthropy. that's been enormously successful and perhaps in some ways it's helped people sort of trickle down to how people -- helpmeet and people across the world. there isn't shamelessness for sure. it's not totally shameless. it's more complex and hope more nuanced approach than just a single label, political council. >> host: newt gingrich suggested the title shouldn't be "clinton, inc.." what did he suggest? >> guest: i think is just something about how their mutual marriage and -- it's in the book. >> host: what i saw, power couple and mutual survivor -- it just strikes me that conservatives at the moment are

preoccupied with hillary clinton but the clintons in general. part of their preoccupation is the idea that the liberal media is insufficiently critical of the clintons, and part of that is in your book in that people are reluctant to talk about clinton inc. >> guest: this is the conundrum. what they're saying now is for political gain but as i was recording the book i was struck by how many republicans have only nice things to say about the clintons, both bill and hillary. i credit it to the systematic approach to win over the enemy. bill clinton's impeachment comment preached by republicans, not democrats. they realize when they leave the white house that the problem is with republicans, not democrats. bill clinton calls of all these republicans. is late-night phone calls with newt gingrich. whenever he sees one united states, he says great job on tv last sunday.

just small compliment that are meaningful to these people. on a very human level he wins over all his enemies from james rogan, former congressman who helped lead to his impeachment for republicans. he lost reelection largely because of leading impeachment. they exchanged letters these days. so i think one issue is that republicans have really been won over by bill and hillary clinton. hillary meanwhile, is in the senate during this time after leaving the white house, and hillary is incredibly nice to people like john mccain and lindsey graham, also impeachment leaders, also staunch republicans. it soften their image but it is also soft and hillary's image. i think that's an important key to the understanding how they came back as the republican part of it. when i'm speaking to them they only say nice things even if we're talking, even if i'm not

going to credit these people would say nasty things about the clintons. they really have one feelings for them and i think it's a credit to the human interactio interactions, understanding of human nature that humans in a way are complex but anyway can be won over rather easily when a powerful man, like bill clinton, did you compliment, you look toward them with a little more favorably than you did before him. so 15 years of doing this has paid off. i would argue as i do a book book that in 2008, the comeback have been so sufficient with the conservatives and with republicans that hillary's problem was never with conservatives and republicans. her problems wish he hadn't won over democrats democrats. they didn't realize there was this massive prominent democrat. they were disappointed bill clinton as president was in the transformational liberal presently envisioned. that he couldn't be the ronald reagan that they wanted him to be. instead he serves at a time with relative peace, relative

prosperity. some due to his own government, some due to his good fortune but nonetheless this problem with the democrats that they run into you and i think that's one of the reasons she goes to the state department, one of the reasons over the last five years they have been focusing democrats and a little less on republicans. >> host: i'm interested to follow up on your line. one, i think the publisher of the pittsburgh paper, when he is sick, remember, he was one of the prime antagonists during the clinton presidency for the clintons. with all kinds of conspiracy theories and the like, but when he gets sick, what happens? >> guest: he was the vast right wing conspiracy but if it was such a thing it was him. is funding all these, sometimes overboard attacks on the clintons in the '90s. he is a staunch anti-clinton conservative in the way the coke brothers are painted now. that's the equivalent.

he receives a letter upgrade from bill clinton himself when he gets sick and he gets a letter hey, dick, i'm really sorry i had to hear you're not doing well. i hope you hang in there, i'm praying for you. sincerely, builder i think is remarkable -- >> host: that illustrate your point i think. >> guest: also in the book you talk about how bill clinton reaches out in 2008 to john mccain asked mccain is running against democrat barack obama. >> guest: so this is in the general election. hillary has already lost and barack obama is in heat of the campaign against john mccain. on the sly, this is september, october 2008, a heated campaign. mccain, there's the financial crisis. on the sly mccain is receiving phone calls from none other than bill clinton. they're talking about the state of the race, about what american voters want to hear at the game like this. they are talking about all sorts of things regarding the campaign to i asked senator mccain, i

interviewed him and they said, sounds a lot like he was giving you advice, right? and he said well, advice may be a little too far. but nontheless, it's clear when he described it that sounds exactly like advice. it sounds like he is essentially a campaign consultant. that i think shows how the clintons, no matter what happened, they always looking out for themselves, no matter whether fortune is, no matter what's going on. the clintons want to secure their place in history. they want to secure their place for the next election, whenever that might be. >> host: what's interesting here is, here in this book you actually say that contrary to public perception, bill clinton is the cold calculating when. one. hillary clinton you described as a warm, personable, charming figure. >> guest: right. this kind of surprised me because i grew up reading about

the clintons or listening to them on npr or whatever, and they didn' did really get to knm until reporting out of this book and was shocked the people who knew them best suggested that their general perception of them was wrong and it was opposite of reality. so bill clinton, bubba, gregarious guy, great to hang out, of course you want to have a beer with him and things like that, and hillary clinton is this cold calculating, cunning, unapproachable woman. by people who know them and people who like them say the opposite of closer to being true, that bill clinton is the constant politician. is constantly seeking his own place in his own legacy. he's constantly cold and calculating, and consequently doesn't have any friends. he doesn't have any long-term friends. he has some hangers on that benefit transactionally with having a relationship with bill clinton but any sorts of friends come in and out of his life.

hillary actually has real friends. shiites i was considered likabl. the actual say she is warm and funny, although funny is i guess somewhat subjective term. >> host: this is curious because as i said at the start we're in the summer of 2014. hillary clinton's political star seems to be rising at the moment. conservatives, especially conservative talk show by people who are hell on wheels bound to bring hillary down before she becomes this titanic wave sweeps another democrat in office are saying you've got to read daniel halper's book, it's a much read says hugh hewitt. karl rove says the next summer read and all that. so are conservatives going to be disappointed you don't portray her as the wicked witch? >> guest: look, i can't speak for conservatives but what i can speak for myself. i wrote what i believe is an honest account of the last 50 news. there is some good, some bad. the point is thi is that these e complex and nuanced people than

partisans might suggest. and i think any ideologically staunch liberal or hillary lover might not like parts of my book, and likewise some staunch conservatives might be a little disappointed in some parts of my book. i think the point is that this is an accurate portrayal of who they are as far as i can tell, as far as i could see. i think it's getting a good reception and i think i'm surprised people seem to like it, and people seem to appreciate that when you take a more nuanced approach to these people, you can understand them better. if your goal then is to defeat her in the next election, then maybe it's helpful to actually learn about her a little bit. maybe it's better to have a sense of who she is and understand her in that way rather than just this concoction. >> host: let me just say, we live in highly partisan times. what i do or a living is political politics all day long. anybody picking up this book a

special on the right will say where's the dirt, daniel? what's the dirt on hillary? so let me suggest some nuggets, for example, that we can -- >> guest: there is a dirty. don't get the wrong. >> host: instead me proposing the dirt that i read, you going to do what you think is the dirt in "clinton, inc." >> guest: that phone call, the democrats -- >> host: bill clinton -- >> guest: and again. >> host: potentially giving him a way to attack barack obama? >> guest: yes. >> host: at the back story they would be that if obama loses, it opens the door to hillary much more quickly guess that absolutely. so that's what i'll do. another element is hillary clinton as i talked to one law school friend, there were few but what i quote says she was enthusiastic pot smoker in law school. that by itself might not be such a big deal.

we know that bill clinton smoked. he didn't inhale supposedly we know that he smoked pot. we know barack obama has smoked marijuana. we know other presidents have done. maybe not a big deal except a month ago she goes on network cable news network and she says that she has never done. so i think, i think that story would help show is she's not always telling the truth. that she tells, she plays the part of the politician. because cheese this nice warm person that means she's not as good a politician. she's not a natural politician. she's not good on the stove. she can't shake hands and win people over the way bill clinton did. so she pretends to be a politician edge in supplying sometimes because she is saying what she thinks people want to hear of her, not the truth. meanwhile, when she does tell the truth, a month ago or so at the start of her book tour, she goes on tv and says that when she left the white house she was dead broke to that effect. she was dead broke out it's

true. she telling the truth. to publish it on the truth and she sounds that's because nobody's feeling sorry for hillary clinton the also, she'll sign anything dollars book deal before leaving the white house and they've made $40 million, about the books olympic committee wanted $10 million in speeches alone. they have made all this money. why are we supposed to feel sorry for her? so that conundrum of her should not able to tell the truth and because when she does she sounds awful. so forces her to lie about certain things. i think that's a problem just to continue with. i don't think that's me. that's her problem. >> host: although it's interesting she told the truth, she was broke. so give me another article of dirt. >> guest: i don't know about -- let me back off on the word dirt. there are some revelations, for instance, a talk about chelsea's role in the clinton inc. i do talk about chelsea as an emerging force in clinton inc. i tell the story of a couple of aides to president clinton, want

to president clinton, want to hillary clinton starting a consulting company. they are starting this consulting come in the second meeting with bill clinton, chelsea clinton, chelsea's husband, mark, nb and these two rates. sometime in a meeting josie asked for an equity stake in a meeting. the aides say no, we're not going to do that. your mother is secretary of state. we want to be an international company. this is inappropriate and we are not going to do it. i think what that story shows, by the way, these aids are no longer close to president clinton. no longer close to hillary clinton. the relationship has essentially been severed. i think what it shows is it is a new force in the clinton world. there is this loyalty in clinton world because there is knowledge in clinton world that nobody is loyal -- the only people who are loyal to each other are the clintons themselves. there are only three people who cannot be replaced in the clinton world, bill, hillary and

chelsea, and everybody else is replace will. if you cross one of them that's it. you could have, you could lose your standing. despite spinning a decade and a half at bill clinton's site. that doesn't matter. while it's not a silver bullet, it's not meant to be, it's meant to accurately portray what the clintons are right now. they have a real problem. people within clinton world are talking to me. they are talking to reporters. they are singing because they know that the place is not secure in the clinton world because they know that nobody's place is secure in the clinton world. so again this isn't dirt. this is a problem that they have within their company and as they seek to move it towards the 2016 election, they're going to have to contend with this in some kind of which i'm not sure they can. >> host: let me then now throw dirt. here's the dirt that i saw. for example, talking about "clinton, inc." and about the foundation, one of the ways in which they raise money is through the clinton global

initiative. the story is told here that it's not only about the clinton global initiative inviting in world leaders and very wealthy to talk and have access to president clinton and mrs. clinton, but you have a situation where louis freeh, the fbi director, is saying he needs some help from the saudis. and when the word comes back, you have to have the president asked for access, he sends word along but later here's the president doesn't ask for help in solving some of the mystery surrounding 9/11 but instead asks for money for clinton inc. tell me this. >> guest: louis freeh has a famously contentious relationship with bill clinton. louis freeh, the fbi director who needed to take a dna sample from the president of the country. never before heard of. >> host: did clinton appointed

him? >> guest: that's a good question. i don't know the answer. i think it's a 10 year appointment. maybe five years, but maybe he did. he must have because session was before. you must have. but regardless, they get off, you, louis freeh takes his job very soon so. they want to give him like a white house pass and say come and go at will, and he says no, i'm not doing any of that. i don't want direct access to the white house. i want to log every time i come in and out. i'm not doing anybody special favors. i'm time to do much up to the best of my inability. so louis freeh automatically, from the get-go, it starts off with the contentious relationship with bill clinton. is made worse because he's pursuing these scandals, like whitewater and all these scandals that sort of in gold the clinton administration. so by the time louis freeh wants to ask for something, bill clinton isn't going to do him

any favors. bill clinton is only in it for bill clinton. so louis freeh, the khobar towers bombing occurs to louis freeh is investigating it. the suspects are being held by saudi officials, and louis freeh needs bill clinton to talk to saudi officials and to make sure that they can cooperate with them and they canno can have aco the suspects. >> host: i said 9/11. i met khobar towers. >> guest: so they have this, all the groundwork for this meeting is late. the deputies on each level, freeh is talking to saudi counterparts and they know this conversation will take place. i now this is at the end of the clinton administration or tortured in. bill clinton in this private meeting doesn't bring up the khobar towers. he brings up a donation to his own foundation from the saudis, which he secures. he would have had the get-go. he would have had the ability for them to say, go ahead and investigate, go ahead and we are

willing to cooperate as much, give you access to the suspects. and it stifle because clinton himself just won't make the ask. >> host: instead he asked for money. how much money try to i think he got about 10 or $20 million in that ask. >> host: another article of dirt is that you suggest, although you'll quite pin it down, that bill clinton is still behaving recklessly with regard to his sexual attitudes and social interactions with a woman. i think the name is julie or something like that. what do you know? >> guest: so, bill clinton, a lesson on recklessness can be learned from bill clinton. bill clinton is reckless his entire life. certainly his entire political life. and i think with bill clinton is recklessness that gets into the white house in the first place. we talk about shame earlier, or -- i do think recklessness is required by any politician in a

way because you need to stand up and you need to try to win people over. it's, the stakes are so high and you can commit yourself on such a grand scale that any sort of politician needs to be are reckless to some degree but bill clinton being bill clinton takes it to the extreme on whatever he does. is recklessness is something that haunts him in arkansas. it haunts is 92 presidential campaign. it hurts -- host a we are talking about sex? >> guest: yes, correct. unsorted many different levels. >> host: what you mean by that? >> guest: it's not just the sex. it's that he would do stuff like in the oval office that she would do things like while a campaign is on the line. it's not just philanthropy -- philandering. it's not philandering is reckless. it's that he would take such risk at certain times where it could really come back to hurt you. this is a guy understand politics and understands how

these things manifest themselves and how it can hurt him host max and i think he is still having a first? >> guest: yes. >> host: how do you notice? is there evidence or is it is all supposition tragedy no. this is well-vetted. this book is well-vetted by -- this is not just supposition. bill clinton and the 2008 campaign, aides advised him to not bring a mistress on the campaign shelter. they did not think would be good politics for a spouse to bring a mistress on the campaign to. in a rare act of discretion, he decided not to do. normally he is fairly indiscreet and normally this is a common occurrence president clinton. one aide told me that bill clinton is a political genius, and like all geniuses, whether you're an artist or whatnot, you have a flaw. but for bill clinton, his flaw is women. so i think that about sums it up.

>> host: wait a second. you are saying there's one specific woman he's been having a long-term relationship with. >> guest: i think the our multiple, constantly, that's correct. in the book i talk about one specific. but more broadly there are more. >> host: what did you learn about mrs. clinton'clinton' s reaction to this? >> guest: comment question. what does hillary claims it about this? and the general consensus is that she probably doesn't know and almost certainly doesn't want to know. that hillary clinton realizes that bill clinton has his flaw. this is a nuclear. just been humiliated on a national stage by bill clinton. she understands how he works and how he operates and she doesn't want to know the details. the way the clinton world works is bill clinton has his own column. he has his own staff, his own secret service detail.

that's completely separate from hillary clinton who has her own chief of staff, her own staff, her own secret service detail. chelsea clinton, a little smaller, has her own staff and her own column. so there is separation within clinton inc. to keep news suffer, to keep these people separate. secret service details, especially when you have to them, they can communicate back and forth and they know and some is coming, summit is going. you don't have to worry about someone dropping in on you. it's less likely with the secret service driving you around. that's basically how it is with clinton inc. >> host: another piece of dirt is a suggestion that clinton actually raped someone? >> guest: this is, think what you're referring to is what i call the monica files. the monica files, the files i into this book and they are essentially a detailed list of various media mile vials and ret that monica lewinsky was a but also a very file that hundred

representatives had on bill clinton that they wanted to use against bill clinton, but monica lewinsky wouldn't let them. the point of that sort is not to suggest that, but to suggest that they had this trod, this file that they could've used against bill clinton that monica lewinsky was too in love with bill clinton to want to work against him and she was too politically naïve to try to hurt him in that way. so they could have thrown out these allegations. >> host: you think it's true? >> guest: it has been reported on before. i think it is appeared in other, other books, at least hinted at it. they believed it was true. certainly it could be very damaging. but monica wouldn't pull the trigger. she didn't want to engage him in that way. i think that's really come it shows how the clintons come and this is one theme that the book. the clintons have been benefited

greatly by who their enemies are. they've also benefited greatly on his people that have, who have been sort of embarrassed by him are. monica lewinsky is a great example of this. she was a young intern. you know, she engaged in an affair at the white house with president clinton. but when it all blew up in the r face and went all became public knowledge, she didn't seek to try to hurt him. she didn't try to destroy bill clinton, despite the fact that they are working against her and they're trying to destroy her. that's the point of that story. to put into context of monica lewinsky had this arsenal. but decided not to fire on a because of the way she was and they have always benefited that they haven't come across somebody who -- >> host: recently in "vanity fair" she didn't exactly fire at the clintons. so let's move on then to dirt

about mrs. clinton. now, the dirt on mrs. clinton i guess you could start with the recent talk about a head injury, people suggesting she suffered brain damage on august famously. i do see evidence of it but you suggest that either it could be that she might have had a stroke, or more curiously that she may have been drinking and fallen down. >> guest: well, two things. one, when i was reporting this book and i was talking to many aides i would always say what's on his reasons children might not run in 2016? without fail the number one reason was health. everybody close to her thanks health is an issue. she's almost 70. it's not crazy. it was an issue for john mccain, it's an issue for any president, even ronald reagan it was an issue for him but he was able to turn it into his favor. so the point is that health is an issue because people want to

have faith in their commander-in-chief that they are up to the task. it's not just an issue for critics like karl rove or like other people who have talked about the it is her own people recognize that her health might not be what it is. the most common malady i kept hearing was stroke. her health records are public but you probably have to release them at some point, but even bill clinton said she needed six months to recover. it was such a big problem. >> host: was it related to drinking transferred no. the point of drinking is not about drinking. i think that's been mischaracterized to the point about drink he was i quote, i quote one known hillary clinton hater, or one known clinton haters commenting that perhaps was about drink. the point about drinking is actually to show how it in haters, as i said, the clintons have benefited greatly by who their adversaries are.

there is a perfect example because it shows how clinton haters will take one kernel of truth, the truth being that there were jokes that, there were jokes that she drinks or there were pictures of her partying in colombia with her staff and barack obama made a joke about her drunk texting him and things like that. so the point there was to show that these wild eyed republicans get too wild eyed and they sort of bounce and they put forward a these days without any evidence to support it. so the point was not that she was drinking, but that people believed that we are automatically wanted to jump that she was drinking. so that's what i tried to do. >> host: it comes across as this is a possibility that the woman was drunk and fell down and hit her head. let me just say another piece of dirt with regard to her is the relationship with vince foster. we've seen in tabloids recently

suggestions that chelsea is not even a java bill clinton but i think webb hubbell. you have in your a very close intimate relationship between foster and mrs. clinton. >> guest: what i say is you have to answer for things like that, some of the charges that will come about. i have people swore to me that they had a relationship. >> host: a sexual relationship. >> guest: yes. by the way it's been other books also. that is not new. that has been reported on before for the last 20 years. i don't necessarily believe it. the point was to show that i believe, i know for fact i was told that these things happen. so the point was to show that these are issues that she has to contend with, and she always has to contend with because all these rumors are causally swirling around a. i'm not perpetuating these rumors. i am very sure that these are

rumors that exists, that she would have to do with him any 2016 run. >> host: but given who you are, daniel, what's the truth. >> guest: well, i wasn't there. >> host: in terms of your reporting. what have you been able to confirm in terms of either, both vince foster and webb hubbell? and, of course, foster a much larger scale, commits suicide, everybody is wondering what happened. remember all of that. >> guest: everyone talks about how they had a very close relationship and that it wasn't, and little rock for a man and woman to be so close to each other things like that. people have, like i said, people i've talked to said yes, i saw them kissing, i saw them. i don't know. i mean, i don't know, you know? it doesn't seem in a way doesn't seem in character but in a way it is causally ascribed to her and how do you, i mean, are you

just supposed to discount it automatically because credible sources are telling you these things or are you supposed to say that perhaps -- so it's a contention when you write books like this and when you try to frame these people and you try to understand who they are. you come across things that are sometimes unbelievable. and you don't believe them right away. you try to due diligence. that's what i've tried to give you. i'm not saying that they've done anything that they haven't done. what i'm saying is that people will ask questions about these things, which is slightly different. >> host: in another episode and this one involves mrs. clinton and bill clinton. you have been putting pressure on reporter, david shuster. what happened? >> guest: so david shuster in 2008 he's a liberal talking head on deliver network, msnbc. he somewhat critical of the

clintons, it just like they said everybody else on that network like chris matthews and but not. but david shuster is hosting his own show, or is guest hosting for someone one night and asked the guest a question. and he said, you know, and the question is about chelsea clinton and her involvement in the campaign, and he wants to know and she's calling up superdelegates trying to get them on board to support the campaign, to support her mother's campaign over barack obama's campaign. and the question that arises is, david shuster asks his guests, is she being pimped out by her campaign? >> host: is a she, chelsea clinton, the child -- >> guest: yes, being pimped out by the parents for their own benefit. are they, whenever. >> host: by having her make calls? >> guest: yes. that's the question he asked. the place go ballistic.

the clintons are furious. the clintons are offended. hillary was said to be crying when she hears about this. that's what aides who saw her told me, and but david shuster doesn't think much of it. he doesn't think it such a bad thing and he eventually gets called in to talk to the suits at msnbc about the conduct because there hearing complaints about it. so he decides to apologize and he goes on tv and apologizes. that's a fairly not enough to satisfy the clintons. they are still upset he is on tv. he tries to convince the suits at msnbc that hillary clinton is just using this -- using him and his example is way too better campaign and to show that she is a victim because there's various polling throughout hillary clinton's history that shows when she's a victim she pulls well. she does well. monica lewinsky, great for a poll numbers.

so shuster tried to make this argument internally at msnbc. they are not really hearing anything about it, hillary clinton meanwhile, is threatening to cancel the debate at msnbc that the democratic debate that is god's old in a couple of weeks. so shuster is in trouble. also what's happening is david shuster is getting complained about to the msnbc parent company, the parent company is gee, junta elected. the board members are receiving phone calls from clinton world, from clinton inc. and they are saying you've got to get this cut off and pick you got to do something about it. they call the ceo, jeffrey immelt, called of the present of a mess in the css why did this guy on their calling chelsea clinton a prostitute?

why is the module is calling chelsea clinton a prostitute? now you work at a news station. you hear complaints i'm sure for things that you send tv probably every single day. but not many people complain directly to the top, you know, you are not just talking about the ceo of fox. your talk about the ceo of whoever the parent company, et cetera, et cetera. nobody is going to rupert murdoch to complain about what somebody, some talking head is saying but that's what's happening here. so he is given a two-week -- temperatures is given a two-week paid suspension from the network. it hurts his crew. it hurts his career and he no longer works at msnbc. partly it is attributed to that, because it hurt his standing at the networked. >> host: so this is a powerful couple with lots of connections, obviously former president, former first lady, former

secretary of state. but the picture you're painting is one of involvement also with money. so let's go back to the lytton inc. part. how much complexity for 214 million last year was the wealth of the clinton foundation. how much are the clintons worth? >> guest: that's a tough question to pin down. this is what we know. we know that they have been made about $49 from books. he writes a $15 million book. she writes an $8 million book and in a $149 book blessed with a couple other books. we know they've made at least $40 million off the books. we know based on reports that they've made over $110 million on speeches on them. some of bill clinton's speeches commend $750,000. that's good work for an hour if you get it, so i hear. so we know that that's about $150 million. we know they own two homes.

that aren't worth anything like that, that are worth around $5 million apiece. and we know that there are other consulting fees that are paid to them. so i think a reasonable estimation it's probably about $150 million. that's a reasonable. >> host: that's separate, that's a personal wealth separate from clinton inc.? >> guest: that's correct. >> host: so -- >> guest: you can we separate everything because it's all combined, altogether. but it is not in the foundation bank account. that would be in their own personal bank account. >> host: that's 150 in their bank account, and two under 14 or so in the foundation bank account? >> guest: something like that. that's the revenue from the last year but i think they have money in the bank. it's more than that. i mean, it's a lot bigger talk about a multimillion dollar organization but you're talking about people who -- when you

look at the white house not only with april, i talked to an aide who went with him and house to house as they're looking to buy a home because they need to buy a home in new york so hillary could run for senate in new york. the aide said that she was amazed that when the clinton's walk into an old 70 something like oh, i love this shag rug. i love these ornaments and stuff. these are people who hadn't, hadn't lived in their own house since the '70s. they had been on the public dime for that many years, for almost two decades with a short stint when bill clinton lost reelection in early '80s as governor. not only were the poor, they didn't really understand how people lived. they lived in this bubble for so long. they had a secret service detail, and they still do, and anyway they never really left the bubble. the aide was struck by how embarrassed she was. don't complement these things in

front of the reporters. the reporters don't want to anything like this. so it shows so that they were stuck in this time capsule, how they had to fight their way out. it also shows public service pays. they have shown public service can do extraordinarily well. be an incredibly lucrative but if you want to be rich, don't go into business. go into politics. become the next president. you, too, can become a 100 million air thanks to people like the clintons have redefined the way politics works. host the let's look at another angle of clinton inc. that you describe in the book, which is all of the people who served as the clintons. you mentioned three i think primarily, james carville, paul bacall a, rahm emanuel now the mayor of chicago, and in a second or will you people like maggie williams, whom aberdeen, and cheryl mills, and even lanny davis.

one faceting story about this country people is you talk about how to who were key lieutenants have been pushed out. that's bill richardson and george stephanopoulos. why don't you tell those stories? >> guest: george stephanopoulos was present clinton's communications director, and -- >> host: now host of good morning america gets the yes. the lovable good warning america owes. he has his rise in american politics and working for bill clinton. he wrote what is a pretty good book, a pretty good memoir and it really gives you a flavor, unlike most of these political memoirs, his is actually good and i think fairly honest and very revealing about the inner workings of the clinton white house. but it did him any favors among bill clinton who was personally mortified and embarrassed that he would write something like this and revealed that the clinton white house was enormously chaotic. they feared been no

interruptions. dick morris, or the way stephanopoulos says is that they would leave for the day having agreed to a plan, some sort of strategy for the campaign and then come back and bill clinton would have said okay, this is what we're doing and said something the opposite. stephanopoulos is like what happened there? what went on? it would turn up the bill clinton was talking to dick morris and they were having private phone conversations, which stephanopoulos wasn't a part of, which is fine. it's his prerogative but i don't think stephanopoulos appreciated. he wrote that in his book. that annoyed bill clinton. bill clinton, i tell the story of bill clinton at the horse racetrack. he's in front of a big group of people, some republicans but not all. i think bon jovi was there and governor bob ehrlich of maryland, and a number of others.

and he tells the story of stephanopoulos find out about gennifer flowers and the audience is shocked that bill clinton is bring up gennifer flowers. he's bring up gennifer flowers so he cannot stephanopoulos in front of all these people in the to make stephanopoulos look like a fool. he said stephanopoulos, he got on the floor in the fetal position and basically started crying. and bill clinton is telling this story, and everyone is just, how is he just throwing his eight under the bus like that? it's because he didn't like him. he didn't like the guy and he took it out on them and he made sure, because bill clinton wants to be loved by everybody except people who cross them. he doesn't care for people who cross the. >> host: you tell the story there was a reunion and stephanopoulos is not invited to any other unions. then with richardson it's also the case, richardson is quoted in your book as saying he wants clinton's forgiveness but doesn't feel like he will ever get it. >> guest: yes. so bill richardson is governor

of new mexico. well, he was in president clinton's cabinet into position, energy secretary and u.n. ambassador. but he becomes the governor of new mexico and the runs in 2008, but that doesn't do so well. he doesn't resonate for many reasons, but for his own reasons he doesn't resonate well with the voters and he is soon out of the race. he is a hispanic governor of new mexico. he's a clinton guy, so clinton assumes that he can win over andy can endorse hillary. because this is in the battle between barack obama and hillary clinton. and i think richardson -- bill clinton goes out to new mexico to watch the super bowl with bill richardson and is going to put the ask on. he's going to ask him he's not going to leave without getting an endorsement but richardson doesn't budget. he decides later to endorse barack obama.

he's not won over by hillary clinton. i think it's that he basically looks at the poll numbers and realizes hillary is not going to win and barack obama is and he would rather throw his lot in with the winner rather than the loser. calculations like that are made in politics. bridges and makes one himself and you know, he's dead to the clintons. the clintons are not happy with it and they and their sin and public and they go after them in public. it's a remarkable story. >> host: so i think here what we have is, if you are part of a conservative concern about hillary as a powerful force coming in for 2016, and you read daniel halper spoken say somehow i have pieces, potentially, of perspective on her, about that past, but as i said this comes in a similar people are saying there are all these books and everybody is trying to attack hillary.

the most famous that is this book blood feud, ed klein's book about the obama's and the clintons. what is your take as the author this book about that traffic i haven't read it. i don't really want to comment on books i haven't read. you know, i've seen some press reports but i don't know anything about it other than what's out there. so i don't have any insight to that but i can tell you about hillary clinton spoke. she also came out with a book. provoked is what i call like a 600 page press release. for $35 you can go read her take on what she wants you to think of for. i do think it's a very accurate picture of who she is. it's not that -- is that its work over by her team do not cure any problems in the future. it's just a boring book and i think many reviewers have agreed with me. so i think while there are a

number of clinton books, i think really there's henry clay spoke which is like 600 page press release. also another book previously that came out in february. that was also about hillary clinton time as suggested but that book was written by a former staffer for debbie wasserman schultz, head of the democratic national party pics i think if you want to read more interesting and sometimes critical but sometime flattering but more nuanced books i would turn to mind. i think it's an interesting book that tries to tell a more complete story. and i'm excited about it. >> host: i understand, and so do you think in some ways that your book though would disqualify her. >> guest: no, no. but it's not make you. i never wrote it to bring her down. the title i think is riveting in that way. it's not she must be stopped, or the country is going to hell. this is a book that shows who

she is, what they are, what they've been up to, and perhaps where they're headed and some of the pitfalls that might lie ahead. that's what i tried to tell. this is a report about. i've talked to senators, talked to former cabinet members. i talked to democratic and republican present the i talked to congressman, eight, critics and friends. i talk to us the people as could and i try to tell their stories about the clintons. this is not the sort of just me reading press reports and putting it together. this is a thoroughly reported and -- book. >> host: what does it mean then talking about that inner circle of lieutenants, about clinton world, going into the campaign, what can we expect? it sounds like it's a very hermetically sealed universe. clinton inc. and part of clinton inc. being hillary clinton's

2016 campaign. how do these two relate? at one point you're talking about, for example, chelsea clinton as a campaign manager, the royal child. >> guest: right. >> host: so she is not at the point where she could run a presidential campaign being trusted with that traffic look, i tried to describe like this. you have a family business. we know a family businesses tend to work. attended in charge by the family and everybody else is auxiliary. clinton inc. is very much a family business. easier in the family, you are not only is your place secure for life but you're always there and you're always in charge. when a daughter or a son comes into a family business, they are allowed usually and certainly in this case to tell aids or staff members how to work, how the work should be done. this is what's going on. she comes in.

because of her own ambitions and own reasons she is a disruptive force in clinton inc. and that's something that they're trying to contend with because, i become its complex but basically her parents aren't able to say no to her. chelsea's parents are -- chelsea is the one thing they have been true to their whole life. they love chelsea do but obviously they think the world of their daughter. so when she comes and she searched many things they are not able to say no. with bill it's a more public a relationship. it's a father daughter relationship with the father has been caught previously cheating on the mother. i think that it creates a guilt complex within the father to what he can't say no to her. likewise, i think hillary has a guilt complex within her to where she feels guilty that she wasn't always there for the raising of chelsea clinton. and it manifests itself in the sense that she's not able to

really say no. although she is more than bill apparently. able to say no to her. i think that's sort of a remarkable situation where you have this third emerging ceo, and what it means for the 2016 campaign i contend is that she is effectively going to be in charge because you have just as much say as the candidate. because if you're the campaign manager and chelsea clinton calls you up and said we want you to do this, you are not going to say is that coming from you or from your mom? that make sure the de facto campaign manager. that makes her effectively in charge. so aides have suggested to me that it doesn't bode well for her campaign because she doesn't know what she's doing. she doesn't have the experience. running a campaign is remarkably hard. you're basically created a multimillion dollar organization separate from clinton inc. in a way but obviously that would be complex. that spans 50 states, that is

hectic and fast-moving. she's never do anything like that before. there's no sign within her that she would be any good at it, into effectively be in charge. it could be detrimental for a hillary clinton 2016 run. >> host: she is pregnant and will be having a baby. i would think that would also be something that occupies her during this period. >> guest: i don't know how that -- to our nannies and set but i don't know how that would work exactly. but this was a concern that i discovered in reporting this book. this is not, these are not my concerns looking at it. these are concerns i learned from aids who have a handle on how things operate within the clinton world. pregnancy might change things for some of the dynamics august but i'm sure things will work through. you know,. >> guest: there are women who raise children and work so i don't see why chelsea wouldn't be able to be one herself.

so i think she would be just fine. >> host: for all this talk about the clintons, the idea that it is a partnership as much as a marriage and clinton inc., and ambition and the power, and all the rest, there's this moment sort of lovely were you talking to joe lieberman and he says when he's overhearing conversations between the two of them -- >> guest: that they sound remarkably happy to talk to one another. >> host: they call each other sweetheart. >> guest: and very tender to each other. one of the questions that is legally asked about when i talk about this book is is there love in a relationship? yes, there's a lot of love in that relationship. it's opening a business partnership but i think there is a lot of love. one old friend to hillary clinton, worked a little i kissed her i said the same thing, he is famous unfaithful to her. and yet she stands by her man,

consular. how does that work? he said it like this. that they both love the same thing to hillary clinton loves and adores bill clinton. she thinks the world of them. and bill clinton loves and adores bill clinton and he thinks the world of them. and that's i described it and i think that's probably how that relationship pretty much works. >> host: so you are the editor of online at "the weekly standard." >> guest: right. >> host: so the question would be, as part of conservative media in america, people looking at the book, do you think that there is a case here, bill kear by daniel halper against hillary clinton? you said it doesn't disqualify her that -- >> guest: that's not the case i'm making. i don't know whether after reading this book somebody might decide that there's no way they could ever vote for hillary clinton, i don't know, i mean,

people are smart enough to make their own decision as to who they should vote for things like that to i don't want to tell people who to vote for. my contention is this is an amazing story, you know, from ashes to where they are today. and that's what i'm trying to tell. this amazing story. so it's not, you know, people will conclude what they want to conclude. i can't control that. but what i can control is a story i told. >> host: but it's not the case any think this is what has come through here today on "after words," but you're not a clinton hater has the look, i'm a young guy. you can see me right now, i'm a young guy. i grew up reading about the clintons in my parents new york time, to my parents "new york times" subscription and "newsweek." and i grew up in the car on the way to school. my mother had npr on and we listen to india. that's what learned about the clintons. i'm not a clinton hater of the '90s. i'm not, you, that's not how i

approach the book at all. i approached the book as a reporter looking for a story, trying to get what happened here and trying to tell that story. obviously i'm conservative. i work at "the weekly standard." i come at it from the center by but i make the case that that was an advantage in covering this subject, and certainly not a disadvantage. because when i reached out to people, they knew where i was coming from first of all. every reporter has a bias. i have told you mind. you know where i'm coming from. it's also and an advanced in that i think a lot of reporters write with a concern about access. they write about, whatever they'rtheircovering, whether it, the clintons, any topic, whether it's business, you write with a concern to access. because if you write something that is too critical of your subject, that's it. you are not going to get another

interview with them, or that's it, it will make your job a lot harder. so i think with me it's not as though i had to worry about my invitation to the holiday party at the white house. i didn't think that was ever going to come from the clinton white house, and i'm sure it won't, you know? that's okay. i can live with that. but i think of the reporters are concerned about it and i think it affects their reporting in a negative way. >> host: you say it like james carville's office called you at one point, and you did not get access to mrs. clinton. >> guest: i'm not going to say who i spoke to. >> host: there's a possibility you spoke directly with -- >> guest: i'm not going to get -- anything is possible of course. look, i spoke to a lot of people. this is one of the questions i've raised at the beginning of the book and i think it takes the whole book to answer is, why would somebody talk to you in the first place? because here i am, conservative,

but, and in some ways the reporting has borne out certain criticism of the clintons and in some ways it hasn't. why would somebody talk to me? and the short answer is basically, because there's a lot of disloyalty and clinton world because clinton loyalty to longer exists. because there is no clinton loyalty anymore. ultimately, that's bad for clinton inc. it shows a weakness in clinton inc. and it shows that they're all in it for themselves and eventually they'll have to realize they have to do, eventually some have begun to realize that they need to help benefit themselves and not benefit the greater corporation. >> host: so going beyond this book, do you think she wins in 2016? >> guest: maybe it's 50/50. look, she's the strongest candidate, but you started this segment by talking about phone

numbers -- poll numbers after poll numbers are doing quite well. go talk to president rudy giuliani and asking about poll numbers this are going to go talk to president gary hart and talking about poll numbers. poll numbers don't mean that much. i think, i think she's obviously the strongest candidate but she has weaknesses. whether she can recognize these weaknesses, and some i tried to fix them, or whether she decides to ignore, these weaknesses, i think that will help determine whether not she becomes the next president of the united states posed by daniel halper is author of a new book, "clinton, inc.: the audacious rebuilding of a political machine." daniel, thank you so much for joining us on "after words." >> guest: thank you. ..

on the upper right side of the page. >> up next ucla georgia leap talked to us book tv about her book jumped in, a study of los angeles gangs and gang violence biggest of demented interview was recorded at ucla in this part of book tv college series.. nameost: jumped inwae >> host: jumped in is the name of the book. professor george a leap of ucla is the author. the subtitle, what can stop me about violence, drugs, love, and redemption