is very hard to beat and is incredibly talented and moving ahead and executing a plan. peter also identifies in her past and inability to always realize where the political world is headed and to adjust accordingly. he draws on two examples to make this case. as the first is the debacle in 94 with the health care plan where it was really clear well into that process that's what the clintons were proposing when she was overseeing a process that it wasn't working in folks in the white house were telling hillary and bill they need to adjust and maybe settle for half a loaf. she was just very dug in on what she wanted to do with them was able to read the writing on the wall. the other example that is more compelling as her stance on foreign policy with iraq leading up to 2008. she just didn't grasp the center of the democratic party had moved to the left that it wasn't as hawkish as they been in the

years after 9/11 and the democratic nominee was going to have to be someone who spoke to that liberal base. it was how obama was able to outmaneuver her and get to the left on foreign-policy long past the point where she should've been pivoting to the left on iraq and iran foreign policy in general. she was still rather hawkish so the thesis is that hillary would be graded executing a plan. maybe wouldn't be as nimble as they ideally want in a politician. >> host: 2-025-853-8804 democrats, 202-85-8382 per in attendance. the 2016 presidential landscape is a topic with richard just of "national journal." he talks about hillary clinton. you also have a piece looking at wisconsin governor scott walker. >> guest: there's a huge division and the republican party between the tea party

grassroots base and the establishment of the party. i think whoever wins the nomination ultimately is going to be someone who will speak to both of those constituents and when you look at the republican field they divide up into folks folks on one side of that divide or another. one of the reasons we chose to focus on scott walker was we felt like he was one of those candidates that checks both bosses -- boxes. someone who is enormously popular with the grass wings of the party. he is seen as a truly conservative figure and someone who is acceptable to the establishment elites to the business folks who has a lot of influence in the party. they were very impressed obviously with him taking in the unions in wisconsin and emerging from the fight as a winner. he also has a very calm and mild manner and demeanor on the outside. he's a conservative person on on the inside so someone like ted cruz who is very proud nations and conservative and grassroots base on the party loves but he communicates that the viciousness and away that maybe his device ideal for a

presidential hopeful. scott walker is somebody who has the kind of conservatism underneath what the base looks for and has a very mild manner and likeable. >> host: again from "national journal"'s richard just talking about 2016 issues as part of a series of stories they can find. susan from fort myers florida of republican you are up first this morning. >> caller: thank you very much. i want to mention to the gentleman when i was watching the primaries hillary clinton had a breakdown and she said you people just don't get how important this is when they we were, the left-wing media circled camps around obama. the way i heard that in her voice and the distress i heard it she is right, people didn't get putting a nail fight in their and their republican, had

she won that primary i definitely would not have voted for john mccain but he seemed like the lesser of two evils. >> guest: you mention the word neophyte and that's interesting. one of the things that hillary or someone like jeb bush brings to the table is a lot of experience and that kind of him play as a positive or negative in american politics. i think often americans don't leave dynasties that in their gut they find it to be un-american an american in certain ways. on the other hand obviously a dynasty does bring with it an experience which can be valuable in washington. one of the interesting facts of peter notes in his piece which i didn't know before i edited the piece was in 1993 when bill clinton arrived at the white house not a single staffer had white house experience in that speaks to just how much of the neophyte administration that was. .. politics, changing the

kind of shape of the potential administration. takes a look at the joe biden dynasty, the article. connecticut, good morning. good morning,r: yes. i have a couple of things to say about the hillary situation. hillarycerned that approaches politics with the manner. tuned if you say it this way that it does not work or if you say at the opposite way or some other way, i don't it the sense of fidelity from her. in particular i am concerned that she is in the back pocket of the zionist who hang around

the white house. guest: >> guest: i would disagree with the back pocket of the zionist. i think hillary over the years has sort of moved around on the political spectrum. there is no question that she has -- she came out of the 1990's struggling with the perception she was very liberal. i don't know if that perception was every true but she set about in a very concrete way in the senate trying to change that image of herself and to move to the center and make clear she wasn't a left winger but a central democrat. i think that was something that got her into trouble in the 2008 presidential campaign where she moved too far to the center on issues like foreign policy and

iraq and iran. so it will be interesting to see how she positions herself for 2016. >> host: let's go to the next caller. >> caller: i don't find any of the candidates intriguing except ron paul. he has been talking about the prison situation. if he is serious and stays with that he can pull off minority votes but his biggest problem with the ann rand garbage. >> guest: there is no question that folks that like elizabeth warren and occupy wall street

there is no question they want someone on the stage. warren came out saying she is not going to run and it does want look likely she is going to. i think the likely spokes-person is going to be bernie sanders from vermont. sanders wouldn't be running to win the president he would move to push hillary to the left and force the democratic party is address economic issues that are important to this segment of the electorate. >> host: senator sanders profile titled i am right and everybody

else is wrong. mitchell, independent line. >> caller: hello, i would like to know how to get out of the trade agreement and get the troops home and maybe have a constitution party with programs like social security for our own sit zeins. i think the time is right for this. >> caller: it sounds like you are speaking to the libertarian ring and that is the ran paul group. they want america to retreat from the world and want little involvement in world affairs. and the conservative party that controls the party in recent

years. it will be interesting to see how that division plays out. i think it is fair to say the republican party is active but these are two opposed world views. it will be interesting to see where the kinds of passion of the base of the party are during primary season and particular on the foreign policy issue. >> host: 54% say jeb bush, 24% ran paul and chris christy and paul ryan on there to. howard from the republican line. good ahead. >> caller: to our guest on the show -- i live in a little town in marrieta.

it is about 30 miles from los angeles. the headline here is protesters block migrant convoys. i learned that they are busing people from texas to my little town in california to distribute the illegal children that are being pulled across our border. >> host: what do you think the immigration issues going to be in 2016? >> guest: it is an issue with the base isn't in alignment with the republican party and establishment. this is a repeated theme in the republican party. immigration is one of those issues and the base is going to obviously have a very hardline

feelings about immigration and it could hurt someone like marco rubio who has lost conservative street credit because he moved to the center on that issue. an issue that could hurt someone like jeb bush or force jeb bush to move further to the right than he would like to be. and something we saw in 2012 was romney was forced to move so far to the right it hurt him in the general election and he had no shot with latino voters. the republican party is going to have to figure out a way that isn't alienating to the voters but the base is passionate on this issue. >> host: here is you from indiana. republican line. >> caller: i was wondering what you think is the most likely thing to come from left field

from 2016 such as dumping the electorate college or dumping election because of marshal law. >> caller: bernie sanders, the party of the people splitting off, feels he doesn't want to split the democratic party. so sanders is running in the primary but in the general election would get behind the candidate and i think that is true for most of the folks on the left who could potentially challenge hillary from the left. even if elizabeth warren changed her mind it is hard to see her splitting off and making a third

party bid. >> host: here is peter from connecticut. democrat line. >> caller: i would like to know who hilary clinton will pick to be vice president in 2016. >> guest: that is a great question. before this issue of national journal came out i might have said brian schwizer had the best shot. he was planning to run for president against hillary it appeared. we did a profile with him that was a terrific look at his character and very controversial personal style and he made comments to our reporter that i think caused controversy in washington that may have made it so we cannot run for president although who knows it is two years away from the election. >> host: is that what he said

about eric cantor? >> guest: he said erin cantor set off his gaydar and also said things about diane feinstein. those comments and free willing style is something people liked about him. he is a western democrat. he might have been a potential pick but now i am not so sure he is on the list. >> host: from michigan this is logan on the democratic line. >> caller: hi, richard, i was wondering what you think about bernie sanders running and if the fact he identifies as a socialist would hurt him? >> guest: that is a good question. he is proud to be a socialist.

i think he is proud to be seen as a member of the progressive left. if you asked him he would like that label to not be known as something that was a dirty word. there is no question it limits his appeal and it is among the many reasons he would probably never be the nomninee but his presence on the stage could push hillary to the left particularly on the economy and working class. sanders has this interesting theory he is passionate about and that is democrats need to focus left on social issues and focus on the economy and that is a way to bring in voters. i don't know if that theory

holds water but there is no question sanders could have an influence. >> host: richard on the line for independents. [cutting out] >> host: cw, liberty, texas, republican line. good morning. >> caller: trust is very low in the nation right now and downright in the dumps really. how can you promise these voting machines that tally the election are not being manipulated? why can't we go back to hand

counter ballot. >> guest: i don't think there is any evidence of voting fraud. >> host: has the technology improved over the years since 2000 and such? >> guest: that is true. technology has changed. i cannot speak to the pros or cons of the technology. >> host: from los angeles, this is our independent line. hello. >> caller: good morning. i have a question. the republican party has a number of possible options for the election -- the upcoming presidential elections and i have not heard the names. you have ben carson, ted cruz and of course you have scott walker. but one thing i would like to point out is there are many options in the republican party and i am not hearing other options in the democratic party.

you have hillary and you mentioned warren earlier. but where are the others? and there is hardly any options to vp for the democrats. >> guest: there is no question the democratic bench is shorter than the republican and whether that is fe good or bad we will see. there is a thinking sometimes it is good for candidates to be tested in a tough primary and hillary might be damaged by not being tested by tough competition. andrew como's name. martin o'mally and bernie sanders and elizabeth warren probably isn't going to run but people would be excited.

there are other people out there circulating around hillary it is just hard to see them mounting, assuming hillary wants to run and i am aassuming she does, it is hard to see a challenge. >> host: connecticut, on the republican line, tom go ahead. >> caller: i will enjoy seeing hillary secure the nomination and i am backing chris christie of new jersey and i cannot wait to see the debate. >> host: we have not talked about chris christy. >> guest: he was damaged but i don't think anybody thinks he is out of it. he is appealing to the republican establishment because he is a centralist and has views that might be appealing to

moderate democratic voters and is a successful governor in a blue state. his persona is going to be an issue for him. it was before the bridge scandal and it is bigger now after the scandal. if you look at people or look at the presidential history you will see that every president had a hopeful, positive persona and someone like ronald reagan who was more conservative was never the less on the surface a happy and friendly president in the lives of american people for the eight years he was president. i don't think the kind of anger you sometimes see from chris christy -- it is appealing to people that like him but it is as a problem and limit his appeal. it isn't to say he cannot soft n the persona but i think that is the one draw back. >> host: republicans ask about the nominees in 2016 and jeb

bush topping the list and chris christie at 11%. greg from louisiana. good morning. >> caller: i worked in the oil industry for close to 30 years now and i worked in the humanitarian stuff and i have a home in south and central america. i believe the next election we will see a big change in the old politically correct and the politics go out of the way and start dealing with reality. i mean fixing our problem with the border and fixing our foreign policy and getting and creating jobs where we can compete with the other countries and stuff like that. and i believe a lot of this -- you know, all they talk about on the major new channels like fox and cnn are things that are not relevant to our real problems we

have to deal with. >> guest: well, you know, you mentioned fixing the border and i think that is going to be contentious and a problem with the republican voters. and the segment the republicans need to do better among that if they have a chance of capturing the whitehouse in 2016 and years ahead. this problem isn't going away for republicans and it will probably just get bigger until they figure out how to talk about immigration and important issues to latino voters. the republicans don't need to win the majority of the latino vote but need better inroads. >> host: adam from the independent lines. >> guest: how do you feel about the independents coming out is in the senate?

jesse ventura interest me. i would love to see him run. i see a desire for people want to embrace the independent party. let's look at this. we have the bushes, the clinton's and hillary is going to run in 2016 and i think people are kind of getting tired of it in a way. >> guest: there is no question that there is a dynastic element to american politics if you have a clinton and a bush running again. that is unappealing to a lot of voters. there might be hidden advantages but at a gut level there is no question it is unappealing. you mentioned jesse ventura -- i have not heard his name tossed around but you have people like ron paul that speaks to the

sense there is something not going right with the current two party system we have and it will be interesting to see how much of the independent spirit someone like rand paul or bernie sanders can soak up. >> host: maryland caller, democrats. go ahead. >> caller: i consider the democratic party and republican party the same. bernie sanders -- i pray he runs for president because he is the only individual in the country that understands what is wrong with the country and that will take up for the average person and kick the millionaires and billionaires out and take up with the middle class. thank you. >> guest: you know the big question for sanders is he is going to have a base of supporters like yourself who who are ferveant on his behalf but the question is how big is the base and can he speak to folks

that don't identify as members of the progressive right and who are not necessarily supporters but would benefit from the policy. sanders is optimistic we can win back reagan republicans and blue coller republicans in the south. sanders will have supporters but the question is how big is that bases. >> host: tony from texas. independent line. >> caller: thank you for having me on. i think the democrats have pulled the country down the tube because they want cheap votes and the republicans have sold the country because they want cheap labor. bill o'reilly had a good common sense solution to the immigration problem. i am not a particular fan of his

but his solution was common sense and spot on. that is my comment. >> guest: well, it is obviously unlikely there is going to be any immigration solutions between now and 2016. the right wing republican party is so adamant there is no compromise on the issues and the democrats have their own views and there is little overlap for comp comp compromise. it is an important issues in 2016 for sure. it is important politically especially to the future of the republican party and i think in 2012 with romney's comments helped alienate voters. >> host: fred from the independent line.

go ahead. >> caller: my comments are about the hypocrisy of the left like hillary. they will go through all means to protect the 300 little girls that were kidnapped but will not say one word about the marine caught up in mexico. here she is defending abortion rights because it is a woman's privilege. i have not been able to understand that. it is her body and she can do that. why is prostitution illegal? it is choice a woman has. it is harmless but she will go to jail if someone puts a $100 bill on the table and she is able to wake up and kill the baby that man made. i don't get it. hypocrisy like hilary clinton that a woman's body is our their own contradicts.

>> guest: you mentioned abortion. we have not talked about the social conservative wing of the party. it is important in the primary and exercises a lot of sway in the primary. it is why santorum was the runner up in 2012. it will be interesting to see if social conservatives continue to exercise that influence in 2016. rick may run again. he is running a movie studio right now but he might step away from that and go back to the politics. he is a strong voice for the issues you are talking about and ted cruz also and scott walker are pro-life. abortion is an issue the country is split on 50-50. other issues it is interesting to see how republican candidates handle in 2016. i think the polling numbers are solid and behind gay marriage.

it will be interesting to see how far the conservatives move and then pivot back it the center and speak a tolerant tone of gay issues. >> host: you have a profile of someone named nate morris and his relationship with ron paul. who is he? >> guest: he is a 33-year-old man who is one of the key campaign managers now for paul. many of his advisors are people who inherited from his father. it is passionate but you cannot form the majority in the base just with that movement. so rand paul is reaching out to the more traditional elements of the gop and nate morris is windup -- one -- way he did

that. he is not somebody unlike many of paul's other advisors who have links to his father. he is a creature of the gop establishment and emerged as a bridge between paul and the donors from the establishment that he is going to need to mount a viable bid for the presidency. it isn't just morris. the article about him that opens with the two of them visiting israel together. rand paul was known for anti-israel statement and that doesn't play well in the republican party. so it was clear visiting israel he was trying to show he is more friendly with the idea. >> host: this story we showed you the cover. richard just is the our guest. naples, florida, republican

line. go ahead. >> caller: hi, i am dean alan and i am 94 and i just want to say ted cruz can't run for president because he was born in canada. i read three of bill o'reilly's books. i don't remember his name who i read else but they were political. and newt gingrich's two books and of all of the three i think newt was the smartest of the three men. >> host: thong -- thank you -- >> guest: gingrich is seen as someone who has a lot of idea and some of the ideas give him a

whacky persona sometimes but it is interesting to see if he runs again. there is a lot of excitement about cruz. i think he is going to have to deal with his persona and is he too angry to sell to the key voters in the center. there is no question there is a segment of the republican base that likes him. >> host: tracy from georgia. we are almost out of time so go straight to your comment. >> caller: i don't understand why everyone is saying hilary clinton is the inevitable democrat president because there is nothing she accomplished in her position that she has held. you cannot find anything positive she has done as far as hilary clinton in '93 she didn't

do that. she is not as accomplished and experienced as we would like to pretend. >> guest: there is a sense in the democratic party that it is hillary's turn. it was in 2008 and then obama came along. so there is a sense of that because it is eight years later it is time for hillary. and part of that is the democratic field isn't deep. there is hillary and everyone else. you know it a struggle to come up with the other plausible names that could rest the nomination. komo and o'malley are out there but on contrast you have a huge number of people on the republican side that could win the nomination. >> host: richard jeff of the national journal. can the stories be found online?

>> guest: absolutely. they are free online and we have a beautiful website that displays the stories in a beautiful format. >> coming up, featuring a look at the book industry with a tour of the offices of simon and schuster and then from a book festival in maryland a panel on the book industries and later a discussion about the brick and motor retailer. >> on a recent trip to new york city booktv toured the head quarters of simon and schuster and we profiled seven of the principle players responsible for a book's publication and discussed the history of simon and schuster now in its 90th

year. and the health of the publishing industry. >> host: who are simon and schuster? >> guest: they were max and dick and they were two gentlemen who were friends with one another and way back in 1924 they decided to start a publishing house on their own. they were working in publishing houses but felt they could start one themselves. they set out, put up a space and put up the sign saying simon and schuster. >> host: would they recognize what you do today? >> guest: i think they totally would. what is really interesting when you read through the history is realizing how many things go in circles. as an example -- the reason they would recognize what we do today is mainly because the job of the publisher hasn't changed and

that is to find great work. depending on what kind of work it is and then find an audience for it and commit to buy it. we have been going between the artist and the consumer and that hasn't changed at all. a lot of the ways they did it now are becoming poplar again. for instance, they ran adv v advertisements in newspapers and they were chatty and talked about why they signed that book and why that book was great. if you look at the ads they are similar to what is going on online today where it is no longer just the corporate advertisement that is there but there is more personality and more of the publisher speaking to the consumer and reaching out to the consumer and that is just one small example. when they started their first book, the first crossword puzzle book, because one of their aunts was in the hospital and said we need a cross word puzzle book.

they were fairly new then and there was never a collection. they did a book, put a pencil on it, sold and had a run away success with it. the second big hit was the history of philosophy and that book stayed a bestseller for two years. between the work of high intelligence that range is the same today. >> host: as president and ceo what is your job? >> guest: my job is to make it possible for everyone else to do their job and do it well. i consider my job to ask the people on the line doing the work the question they have not thought of themselves so they are confidant in the decisions they are making. i get involved in a lot