the speech there, you know? i'm sort of opting out to a different way, but you could also force them to try to have free speech standards. and there is a precedent for telecom companies having to abide by some standards for first amendment. so that's a possibility. >> we, unfortunately, have to end. i could continue this all afternoon. you and your book by talking about reforms, you're skeptical about the consent model because you think people might sell their privacy in exchange for a toaster, and once they sell it for a quarter of a cent, they might not be able to get it back. but you like transparency as louis brandeis did, and you like the fair credit reporting act, and you have five questions that should be asked of every digital dragnet to decide whether it's fair or even legal. shall i read them, or -- >> yes, you can read them, because i might get them wrong. >> does it provide individuals with legal rights to access, correct and dispute the data?

is it too intrusive? does it benefit society? does it fall into the abyss of racism? can it withstand public scrutiny? these are wonderful questions that i think jurors would have asked. tell us more about these principles and how optimistic you are about them being adopted. >> i wish i was more optimistic, but i feel like i'm sort of asking for not that much, but probably people would disagree. i just feel that i wouldn't mind trading my data for services if i could have some assurances that if it was used against me, i would have some rights that i could challenge the data, that i could see it, that i could sue over it and that it was being used in the public benefit. it wasn't being used against me. so i basically came up with these standards as my own thoughts about what would i want in order to trade my day and feel confident. because i feel like we are in an information economy, and it's going to be -- although i've

tried to opt out, it's not actually practical. what i would rather do is participate freely and have some assurances that i won't be harmed. this is -- cars are incredibly dangerous, but we get in them every day because we have some assurances that some safety measures have been taken, and we have redress if something goes wrong, and i want a similar standard for treatment of my data. >> wonderful. ladies and gentlemen, and our c-span audience as well, please, come, first of all, downstairs and buy julia's wonderful book. on c-span, go be to amazon using anonymized browser like tour -- [laughter] and buy the book. come to the national constitution center.org and please join me in thanking julia angwin. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> booktv is on twitter and

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university in malibu, california, part of booktv's college series. bruce herschensohn sat down with booktv to talk about his long political career and american foreign policy over the past half century. professor herschensohn also provided his take on president obama's foreign policy issues over the past five years. this is about 45 minutes. >> host: well, joining us now on booktv is bruce herschensohn, a professor here at pepperdine university. professor herschensohn, how long have you taught here, and what do you teach? >> guest: i teach u.s. foreign policy and started teaching here in the beginning of 1998. really when the school of public policy opened up for students. before that i sort of had an affiliation with pepperdine since the mid, early 1970s. >> host: what kind of af