>> i am from chesterfield county, virginia. the constitution and most regulations have never found tax breaks they did not love and a regulation that did love. as a result, we bear the brunt of rising waters in the seven parts of our state. in norfolk, virginia beach, the asman capitol of the world, the united states anyway. and consistently in the 10 percent of the wealthiest inconsistently in the 10 percent of the states that provide the least benefits to our citizens.

and to show you an example of the problem we are faced with what like to talk to you a little bad about a problem that we have in chesterfield county. the last six months of so we have been fighting the import of fly ash that would be used to build burns, to augment our soil for products that we use on ground and over 250 people came to our county to complain about this, to complain about water being polluted by the toxic chemicals and nothing has been done about it. the apartment of energy quality decided that fly ash is not toxic and will not hurt us and will allow the company to continue to import this.

the reason we have to ask ourselves, airways are flooded, newspapers are flooded with articles and commercials basically talking about the nonsense about global warming. if we had regulations where going to affect jobs, benefits. and there really isn't a way for a foundation, educating people about the dangers of the environment. the here these repeated over and over again. so i am here really to say thank you to. we look in our situation and say who speaks for us? there is absolutely no one that speaks for us. don't have the power to be effective. 210

i live in takoma park maryland and i am speaking in support of the rule.

i also want to think that epa and president obama for creating a rule to reduce carbon pollution. i'm very grateful to you for that. i'm a wildlife biologist and they work for the national wildlife federation. i'm a birdwatcher and bicyclist. bicycle accident, broken arm and feeling well but i'm a member of a synagogue among other things and i would like to talk a little bit about how it relates to climate change and the need to reduce carbon pollution. first as a biologist which i've worked in this field over 30 years and there is no question the climate is changing and impacting wildlife now but on the adaptation side we are working with many government agencies including the epa and other conservation organizations to prepare and cope with these impacts create we published a guide called climate smart.

climate change isn't enough now and these agencies will have to manage and the people that benefit from the outdoors and the water now have to be managed with this in mind. it can no longer be managed looking at the past and how we used to be at restoring habitat and what is the climate going to look like in the next 50 or 100 years and that is a change for the wildlife conservation movement to crackle with how do we deal with this? so we have to put out a 300 page document if and we are doing training across the country. we can make a difference and let them continue to thrive that there will be a tipping point. we are having the impact now. if we can stop the carbon

pollution than we have a fighting chance and we can implement the adaptation principles but if we do not do that then we will reach a tipping point there is no going back. they provided by helping us clean the air and the water and it will no longer be available to us so while i believe we have to take action now. now i want to say something as a mother. my son just turned seven and when he was as young as five, he and his son came up with an idea they want to be inventor is when in vendors when they grow up they came up with an idea they would create the sky cleaner.

they've held on to this and had this idea they were going to have a little machine that goes up in the air like a vacuum cleaner and cleans the air and they are going to attach it to the back of cars. they are serious. they think this is what is going to do it. so i encourage them and they think they are going to make a lot of money and do things for the environment but this is what our children are growing up thinking the world is like and they can't understand they routinely say to me how come they don't just stop it. it is a hard question to answer. that is his primary invention is the sky cleaner described cleaner but i do hope he can create it.

we have a green building and it is about taking care of the earth and that is our response ability and all faiths have something to do with that. we are creating in a storm water basin which was created in the 100 year flood which is happening we are filling it up now on to greater frequency then we ever did. we are creating wildlife habitat to hold more carbon and water and create this program all over the country to deal with churches and synagogues and to deal with climate change. i see my time is up but thank you for the opportunity.

we will resume at about 3:19. >> thank you for your patience. we are going to resume. i don't plan to recapitulate them but if anybody has any questions you are asking you to be respectful of each other's testimony and speak up to five minutes for the list of people that want to speak of a chance to we are going to keep to that as best we can. i would like to invite now come to testify pleased.

>> good afternoon. thank you for providing these sessions that indicate your love for and belief in democracy. thank you for your patience we are hearing over and over. hopefully provide support to go forward as most important proposed rule for finding the best systems for co2 emission reductions. i live in manassas virginia and i serve as practice as a masters prepared by the sight of pediatric nurse. in 2004 the master's thesis was entitled to the health the health effects of global

warming. i was laughed at by my professors who claimed that global warming was not a health-care concern. a-alpha climate change became the political football that it is today i also think you their representatives for acknowledging the climate change is real. in your introduction i oppose this proposal as an important step to achieving the greenhouse gas emission reductions needed to address a serious threat of climate change. the pollution threatens the american public by leading to potentially rapid, damaging and long-lasting changes in the climate that we have to have a range of severe effects on human health and on the environment. co2 is a primary pollutant that accounts for nearly three quarters of the missions and 82% of the emissions. the 2014 report of the climate assessment concluded the impact manifesting them.

on the weather events in recent decades in the agriculture and projects continue increases and impact on the sector's and ecosystems. as a nurse for vice all the people trapped in the dome for days with no water and no where to put human waste. children are my passion. imagine with me again as the earth no longer our mother that cares for us but a child who is in danger of co2 toxicity and asthma struggling to breathe and to be free. children are among the most vulnerable. i'm here to speak up for them. they are is a significant

reduction in the carbon pollution from power plants first time in the nation's history. powerplants are responsible for the pollution country in the climate disruption. there are limits on the amount of mercury, sulfur, arsenic, cyanide but until recently there've been no limits on the pollution. in the reductions to the power sector there were approximately 30% of the levels in 2005 and would result in a climate and health them to the 82 billion. i'm deeply concerned that proposal will not see these reductions until 16 years now in 2030. in the introduction, the proposal speaks to the the healthcare cost health care cost savings as a result of the emissions reduction that this point doesn't repeat the sections the section from sections on the cost-benefit analysis of the various alternatives.

thank you for your work and developing the building blocks. i agree that best system to reduce emissions as for is for the states to use elements of all four blocks. i do challenge the low expectations of renewable energy overall. germany is very committed to the renewable energy. i quote from wikipedia the renewable energy sector is among the most innovative and successful worldwide. the share of electricity produced has increased from 6.3% to the national total in 2000 to about 25 in the first half of 2012. in 2011, 20.5% of germany's electricity was reduced to the energy sources and more than the 2,010th conjugation of the gas fired plants. in the first six months of 2014 almost 31% of the electric power came from renewable sources mainly wind, biomass and solar. this is more to eat in 2010

investments totaling 26 billion were made in the renewable energy sector. germany has been called the world's first major renewable economy. the chief executive bbs germany is targeting 35% of its electricity by 2020 is achievable. i understand we are focusing on carbon emissions but does that mean we turn a blind eye to the environmental degradation resulting from natural gas and nuclear energy? i invite you to september 21 returning to the best -- thank you. >> i believe you submitted a paper copy. >> i did because i also have a question about the best practices but i'm done. >> we will make sure those are reflected in the record.

>> i would like to follow. i started my career -- i'm a witness. i don't bring any scientific peepers and i'm not going to staple of the facts you've heard over and over again. you know the science. you're doing a great job. i started as a peace corps volunteer and went to the paul russell the hell -- himalayas and got interested in the resource management and excited by what i saw i wanted to see what we could do to protect those wonderful mountains and decided to try to get an advanced degree and i took the graduate record exam is coming off into cornell, got a phd after some struggle and i've been working in the field ever since. 1975 i went with my family to try to reverse the decertification. we were there for five years.

my family started there. my son was born in southern africa. came back 15 years in new england where i worked on the watershed council to protect and turn around the disaster of the river which was a toxic waste dump some years ago and now you can swim in it. while i was there i posted and moderated a workshop at the jfk school at harvard university for climate scientists together with media people sometime ago, 1985 to alert the media to the problem of climate science and that it's time jim henson and scientists out there doing the work were unanimous than and more now. they've been joined by hundreds of thousands of other but we saw it in the 1980s and we need to remember the clock is ticking.

i went back to the himalayas and my family lived there eight years and i've been a witness to some real changes. we did introduce some solar power technology in africa and solar power technology in the paul. we have electric taxis in kathmandu and solar panels on water and electric over southern africa and get our own embassies in other parts of the world are not even using those kind of technologies. i was with -- witness and i was recently in jordan where i saw the dead to see the treating a catastrophic rate not only from climate change but for many in the water.

i brought engineers to the united states to see what we did in the central valley and the wonderful fantastic irrigation and how we we turn to the lower end of the central valley to a toxic waste dump in the reserve where the park rangers have to wear protective clothing and blow off shotguns to keep the wildlife on the verge of settling in the part the park otherwise they will buy with your children will be deformed. i was in afghanistan and pakistan and recently and solve what's happening to that beautiful hindu crush. i was working in the himalayas and i came back to work on the natural park reserve social community for history community owned national parks and we were able to in my short life span here to actually demonstrate increased for station of the

himalayan watershed. there are more trees today than there were 40 years ago and yet the glaciers are still melting and they are molting seriously and 12 of my friends died because of that climate induced secondary effect. i also saw the scene in india. the programs planting thousands of acres of forests and yet the problem continues. i worked with african women who planted hundreds of thousands of seedlings will need to see the problems continue to. i was recently back in africa and i saw what is happening to

kilimanjaro. kids better see it because it won't have a snow cat anymore. i've seen the sea level rise in bangladesh killing hundreds of thousands of people, sri lanka and even what's happening in new zealand and the pacific islands and my granddaughter was born just recently in new york city and she was lucky to get to the downtown medical center because it was completely under water before she was born. seeing the science in the public information i studied the history of science never in the history of science has there been such a consensus. they did back to galileo but there's never been a consensus

like that. why are we still struggling to bring coal under control. it's terrible we have to make this testimony and you have to wage the battle. raise the bar and keep on raising the bar. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i would like to invite dean hubbard and jeff hine please.

>> if we burn all fossil fuel -- >> will you please introduce resulting spell your name for the reporter? by name is jeffrey hayman. doctor james hansen predicts that if we burn all fossil fuels, we could cause our planet to become not only ice free but human free. i imagined the point of no return that guarantees the near-term extinction must be similarly less than all of the fossil fuels. i hope that we haven't crossed that point already. if we want to avoid the dangerous limits of the global warming, we need to keep at least four fifths of the reserves of fossil fuel carbon in the ground forever. at the current rate yourself to

blow past the limits within 14 or 15 years. i'm seeing the end of humanity. the unmitigated global warming means the total annihilation of everything of the value but the value in this universe. president obama has said that global warming is one of the most important issues of the generation and not to global warming down the line and most important presidential priorities. it is the single most important history issue and doctor hensing has said that the upper limit for our safety of the co2 in the atmosphere is 350 parts per million. if we could stay below 400 parts per million, we still might be able to get down below 350 by that means like reforestation but if we go lower than the 400

we will no longer be practically possible. we are now at 400 parts per million and we need to act with urgency. we've already caused a certain amount of damage to the planet that we will not be able to fix and we can all agree on the damage we caused already. there is further warming in the pipeline that we will not be able to prevent that there's a potential even greater damage that hopefully we still can prevent if we act. humans have accomplished many great things across the history of our civilization. i think it would be nice if we could choose to continue to survive on earth so that we might be able to remember the achievements of the past as well as to continue to do more great things in the future. if we survive global warming in the short term the short-term short term there is longer-term risks to survival on earth. things like the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and eventually our sun will buy.

we could work over thousands of years to survive threats by doing things like mars and other planets around other stars that we need a stable home base to work for. people that go to public service for a career are interested more in serving the public good more than personal enrichment. serving people who you have never met and never will meet i want you to consider that potential people of the future generations will also never meet out outnumber and outweigh the number of people alive today. i don't have children of my own that i have enough uses as the drought increasing sea levels rise i worry if they will be able to always be secure in their ability to obtain food. i wonder if they might be above the last humans to survive on earth before our extinction.

this planet is a baby step. go ahead and take baby steps but don't imagine it to be more than what it is. we need a total war efforts to mitigate global warming and this is not to that. we need a plan that causes global carbon admissions from all sources to be reduced by more than half within a decade. we need the high rapidly rising global price on carbon. as the fossil carbon industry is squeezed we can expect the carbon free energy alternatives like wind and solar panels and nuclear power to grow and expand and make gains and efficiencies that we cannot rely on future medical technologies that haven't been invented yet to solve all of our problems if the major world governments do nothing now and refuse to treat global warming with the word

gravity. take steps and go and do more. >> my name is dean hubbard. i'm the director of the sierra club labor program. i've been in the lieberman is meant for nearly three decades as an organizer and attorney and educator. during these hearings you will hear folks are giving that we should be protecting the environment and you will hear other folks arguing that we need to protect the jobs. but i would like to talk about today is the fact that the plan allows us to do both. from the union perspective the clean power plant presents a tremendous opportunity to create good family sustaining jobs in every state of the nation.

that's because the epa structured the plan in a way that gives the states enough time to comply in a way that is best suited for the local economies. they spurred the creation of the new ones while producing. we need to come together to talk through our differences and find common ground to get this done in the best way possible. that's because the clean power plant is not really about jobs versus the environment. it gives us a chance to work together to create good jobs and healthy communities on a living planet as we protect workers and communities who are affected by the transition to clean energy. as you know the tools the states can use" increasing renewable energy sources and increasing energy efficiency is.

there are far more jobs than the fossil fuel including natural gas. specifically, the clean energy investment agenda creates more than three times the number of jobs in the united states as does spending the same amount of money in the fossil fuel sector including the natural gas sector. even better than the median salaries for jobs with $8,000 higher than the wages across the broad economy. if done properly, the retooling for the clean energy would lead to the massive expansion of good jobs. we do know that the market alone will not protect workers or create a fair clean energy

economy. that's why the sierra club and partners support a strong and just power plant. that means that we are asking the epa and all federal state agencies to work with us to insure for things. first, we want to make sure that the workers and communities that are affected by the phasing out of the fossil fuels are treated fairly and justly. the plans the job creates are good family sustaining jobs. third, we want to make sure that the disadvantaged communities receive their fair share of clean energy related economic opportunities and forth, we want to make sure that clean energy can be affordable. ..

hundreds of lives, thousands of jobs, and hundreds of billions of dollars. we cannot afford to wait any longer act. the well-being of america's workers, the nation's economy, and for the health of our planet now is the time for the labor and environmental movement to come together in support of a plan that dramatically reduces pollution for america's power plants, increases good jobs introduces the threat. thank you. >> thank you both.

>> do you have hard copies of the testimony? >> at the registration table. >> thank you. >> nextel would like to invite up carter and olivier wreath please. >> car wreath. do you want my sister's name? and. >> if you would like to testify together. >> my name is olivia.

>> hi. so i wanted thank you for letting us come to speak about this important issue. thirteen years old. this is my fist -- my sister will be turning tall at the end of august. together we started our own nonprofit organization called one more generation release to educate kids and adults during that bp gulf oil spill we learned that environmental issues such as pollution and the ocean acidification are major contributors to the demise of many species around the world. specialized in teaching kids about pollution, very much concerned with what is happening to our air and oceans which is are we are here today. climate change is something that not everyone yet country inns and to be honest i don't think we fully understand everything connected with it. it is something that scares me.

already seeing temperatures get warmer, polar icecaps melting at alarming rates and more and/or young, elderly, and economically disadvantaged are becoming ill. where's the epa to strengthen the draft carbon ruled for existing power plants which are responsible for as much as 30 to 40 percent of the carbon pollution causing global warming they clean power plant will close loopholes and limit carbon pollution for the first time prefer that we want to say thanks and hope they will help assure our generation has plenty of clean air to breathe. thank you. >> again, thank you for letting us come and speak today. we are so glad to see some many people who genuinely care about our environment and how we are helping to ensure a next generation as clean air to breathe for years to come.

also mentioned that we know more about toxics of pollution and reduce global warming. actually here in washington to meet with undersecretary and presented her in a curriculum that we teach to kids and adults to take some of of the issue of toxic pollution. global warming is something that affects all of you. nearly half of all americans live where quality is on safe to breathe and a clean power plant is something that is long overdue. thank you for allowing us to come and speak our concerns and grocer for all your doing set to keep a plan and save. >> think you both very much. appreciate. [applause] >> thank you. next please.

big shoes to fill. >> my name is richard mccourt cool. good afternoon. i would like to thank the epa for this opportunity to speak in support of a clean power plant. i am from the philadelphia area originally, and for the past 23 years i've lived in delaware where smog levels are and healthy and as masochist 27,000 children and 7,000 adults is your. while living here i noticed the weather has become more and more erratic with each passing year. we have been experiencing more

temperature swings and extreme rainfall events which caused widespread flooding. delaware has been declared a disaster area for time since 2000 due to severe storms and massive flooding. in 2013 delaware state wide precipitation for june averaged nearly 11 inches, 7 inches above the 30 year mean and a new statewide record. wilmington set a new record with 13 and and a half inches. on july 282013 more than 7 inches of rain fell during the four hours. a new daily record for the city was set with the rainfall total for that day exceeding 8 inches. the following day all american airlines morning flights over 530 and canceled or delayed due to the storm's impact. one day into vargas philadelphia set a new summer rainfall record with the seasonal total already

245% of the climatological average for the entire months. we may argue about whether a particular weather event is caused by climate change but there is no disputing the fact of a warmer atmosphere holds more moisture. looking at temperature extremes the did not drop below 70 degrees. the longest string of days at or above 70 degrees since record-keeping began in 1872. here in washington d.c. the temperature fell to drop below 80 degrees for five straight nights to also on the record. in december of 2013 the mid atlantic experienced a heat wave with temperatures rising above 70 and breaking records in many areas. the most unusual aspect of that

december heat wave was the amount by which records were broken by 10 degrees in some areas along the east coast. just one week ago we learned that a new global heat record was set for the month of gen. the world's oceans were the hottest ever recorded regardless of the month. consider also that a 2013 study revealed that during the past 100 years the temperature rose at a rate that was 50 times faster than the rate of any other temperature changes the last ice age which and 11,300 years ago. it seems a likely of achieving the goal of not exceeding 80 degrees celsius temperature increase is remote at this point. as we continue to fail to act scientists are now predicting that the global average temperatures will increase by at least 4 degrees celsius and possibly as much as 6 degrees due to our inaction. today greenhouse gas stations have fuel global average

temperature increase of about 1 degree celsius. try to imagine the climate chaos associated with a 46-degree increase. the living in the coastal state of delaware i am concerned about sea level rise, coastal towns, ports, low-lying farm land will be lost. i am sure many in this room peace and joy beach vacations. chances are it will be gone by the end of this century if not sooner. natural saturation is beaches and dunes migrate and lead with rising sea level. most beaches we enjoy are backed by urban development of less society is willing to abandon these developed areas and retreat and and we will be left with seawalls instead of beaches and dunes. those who are opposed to this plan will try to make arguments on economic grounds. what about the cost to society.

whether and climate related disasters have caused over 2 trillion in economic losses and nearly 2 million deaths globally according to a new report. in my opinion anyone opposing these rules on economic grounds does not have a leg to stand on. the cost of solar and wind power have continued to decline, and these renewable energy sources like the externalities' of traditional energy sources. my time is up. oh, i'm sorry. okay. all right. i would just like to add, i agree with some of the folks who spoke earlier. i do not feel that this plan goes far enough in terms of its carbon reduction goal, the timeframe for full implementation is to slow and natural gas is not a bridge fuel. we must transition as quickly as possible away from fossil fuel. thank you. >> thank you.

>> my name is more anderson, was built just like it sounds. i want to say thank you for allowing me to speak today. next would like to tell you that i am also from delaware. a clean power plant is important to my family because we already suffer from poor quality, very poor. delaware -- you are nodding your head. you know. all were consistently receives an f in air quality. there are dozens of days each year that the state of delaware issues alerts for ozone levels and air quality. dealers warned us not to pump gas. they tell us that the most sensitive populations should stay indoors. on these days whether it is yellow, orange, or read i am afraid to allow my seven year-old outside.

most of delaware is below sea level and the sea level rise has been a challenge. there are several roads we cannot travel on during high tide. not just during a storm or after a storm but during high tide the roads cannot be driven on. i live in a city that has passed an ordinance that is against vehicle idling. my family conserves. we recycle, compost. my son is adopted. even by most of our clothing used. my family and others are trying but it is not enough. if every family adopted the best and greenest practices it still would not be enough. our tax dollars have gone to bail out several communities that constantly flooded. these dollars would be better spent reducing the carbon emissions from our electricity sources. supporting the claim power plant

would support the economy by creating jobs. i know everyone wants to hear that, but i am sure you guys heard a lot of that. it is true. green energy jobs would be good american jobs. would help protect everyone sells. thank you. >> thank you. >> i would like to invite up michael and mary. hello. my name is michael, and i serve as vice president of the consumer energy alliance. and nationwide association made up of energy consumers and producers working to advance and all of the above energy policy that will lower energy costs for every american.

access to affordable energy is of utmost importance to our members because every dollar spent on energy is a dollar that cannot be spent on capital investment, apparel. in order to create economic growth is important for the government to implement policies that will insure affordable, reliable energy supplies for america's family to of farms, factories, and all small businesses. undoubtedly causing reliability and affordability concerns from many states, particularly those that utilize coal for a large portion of their electricity generation. this is particularly acute problem for many states in the midwest and southeast regions of the u.s. where the majority of

states rely on coal power generation for more than one-third of their religious in needs. as proposed these regulations would force states to enact policies which would require utilities and the electric co-ops to prematurely shut down coal-fired plants either through the implementation of fuel switching requirements or renewable fuel mandate which will likely lead to higher electricity prices for energy consumers. given the nature of our electric grid that changes in our energy mix particularly ones that have not been contemplated throughout the development of a great or reduced its bets options and disrupt the fueled diversification that has been critical to lower electricity costs. additional plant closures will continue to have a real and negative impact on states and local economies. for the most vulnerable

including low income families, seniors, living on strict, highy costs cannot easily be as orbitz in essence they are a regressive tax. while natural gas, nuclear, alternative, renewable generation have become a much more important part of the fuel mix and are certainly capable of increasing their contributions to the grid developing additional capacity from these sources and the necessary infrastructure to realize is expansions will take time and likely come with significant cost to consumers. we would also like to point out that the epa aggressive time line allows states only one year to develop a very complex plan that will need to address a series of adjustments to the electricity generation consumption and energy infrastructure that will come from forcing a change in the energy tax.

states have a story we've been given several years to develop and implement regulations for criteria pollutants that are a tiny fraction of the size and scope of the proposed regulations we are discussing here today. forcing through regulations of this magnitude in such a short time frame will limit the ability of states and stakeholders to about fully prepare for the grass to -- drastic changes this rule will cost. this administration is comfortable spending more than five years evaluating the keystone xl pipeline it should feel comfortable making -- taking its time to craft a powerful role that fully evaluate the consequences of its proposed action. at a time when electricity consumption is projected to grow it is important that government regulations and policies avoid electricity supply disruptions or unnecessary price increases. as the epa considers such a move toward research the agency to

keep electricity consumers in mind cannot promulgate rules that will adversely affect businesses and family budgets. as a nation we should strive to have more of all forms of energy and not simply put one form of energy resource against another. we hope that the epa will consider the potential economic impact on consumers across the nation of these regulations as it takes the next step in developing these regulations. thank you for your time. >> i live in washington d.c. around 20 years old when i first heard making of the decisions of mike transportation. instead of driving to the bus stop by would take the extra time to walk. seven taking the bus i would like. the surrounding states.

around 21 years old when i started making healthier choices i was also around 20 years old. it feels like there is about that is about to close. it usually happens when my mama n mama run or a bma run or a bike ride consistent with the exercise induced asthma it starts with just a typical almost as if i could get rid of it. then it gets worse. i am left alternating unable to take a full breath of air. it is terrifying. when i choose to walk and like i do so because it gives me mor

energy kabyles me maintain a healthy weight and saves me money. it is supposed to be a healthy choice. when i breathed heavily i am also breathing in dangerous pollution particles fuelling asthma and poisoning bonds. i love living in washington d.c. but not that i and damaging my health. i don't love that the american lung association rent d.c. as the eight most polluted city. there are hundreds of thousands of people like me who experience adult onset asthma. it is even scarier to think about the children who develop asthma at a young age. the consequences are worse for young kids, elderly americans, people with chronic diseases and those who live closer to major power plants. we need to do all that we can't. the clean power plant will help protect public health by limiting the carbon pollution that makes air dangerous to

brief. i urge the environmental protection agency to set a plan within a year. anything less. thank you. >> i would like to invite. >> i am speaking on behalf of the episcopal church. it was the end of the arctic

summer when charlie first show me. a hunter in the arctic village of alaska, a settlement so remote that it can only be reached by plan. i am a policy analyst for the episcopal church was in his bill is to reconnect with the community, a native people within the church has enjoyed a longstanding relationship. like the rest of his village charlie depends on caribou meat to survive and offered to take me to his hunting ground, the arctic national wildlife refuge. charlie showed me what the scientific community considered visible effects of climate change. it he indicated a bright -- wide swath of riverbank, spruce trees once on the tundra he pointed to a large ominous cracks in the land 2 inches wide and spreading across the plain.

he simply said, the permafrost is mounting. next he showed me force of railroad, a tree species. the caribou warns catch on the branches. they cannot get through and are changing their migration path away from our hunting ground. if they don't come through how will you eat? he sure did. he did not know. climate changes one of the great moral issues of our time and scientific evidence was to carbon pollution as a driving force. according to researchers and stanford if unchecked kara pollution could lead to 21,000 climate change related deaths. we see these tragedies occur round the world is buzzing population, sickening children, and rendering species and cultures nearly extinct.

inspired by a growing body of evidence to mastering a transition to a low carmen society is both feasible and economical and equipped with the knowledge of carmen plants contribute to 40% of carbon pollution causing climate change the episcopal church supports carbon pollution protection for existing power plants. we thank you for your attention to this issue and urged swift action to finalize the plan power plant proposed rule emphasizing a shift to renewable energy rather than a transition to lower carbon fossil fuels. we ask this on behalf of our congregation on the coastline and is still recovering from devastating hurricanes, for those on the plains and deserts to suffer from harsher summers and winters every year and for all communities to bear the undue burden of climate change. finally, we ask this on behalf of our brothers and sisters in the arctic so that come winter charlie and his village can survive. thank you. >> thank you.

>> beautiful. i have a much shorter one. my name is kathleen. i live in maryland. i want to thank the epa for making this plane powerplant and holding this hearing. thank you for listening to us. the lived in maryland for most of my life since and have seen the congestion. and i'd fear for my children's health and livelihood and future one recent summer as i worked in

my air-conditioned office i realized that my young boy was outside and summer camp on our cold day. and i moved closer to work so that i could ride my bicycle and save money and gas and get exercise. that is fine in the winter, but when the summer comes sometimes i have to resort to driving or in the whole month of july i have a cough. we are paying a heavy price for air pollution, carbon emissions and it is the job of the epa to protect our environment, health, air quality. so our support to the epa in making strong rules and

regulations and in forcing them to reduce carbon pollution and air pollution and water pollution. thank you so much. >> thank you. banks are would like to invite up abilene. >> i am a senior policy specialist at the national are live federation. like many people live in the chesapeake bay watershed i feel a deep attachment to the streams to marches command shores that provide critical habitats for wildlife in this region. i do not think will ever tire of seeing their glossy ibises that

gather in great numbers in our wetlands during spring migration i cannot foresee a time when the future when it will bring a smile to my face or when catching a glimpse of a great blue heron. it does not make my day just a little bit better. i have six young nephews who live in the chesapeake bay watershed. seeing them begin to explore the natural world as an amazing thing. just this weekend my nephew told me about how he was learning to fish. we did not catch in the big fish but i got to look at crabs and shrimp and just can't wait to go fishing again. one island my nephews are beginning to love faced with an unprecedented threat right now. climate change threatens the habitat that these vulnerable species depend on.

that is why we need action now more than ever before and why i support efforts to protect wildlife from the threat of climate change. the epa has proposed limits on industrial carbon pollution and is critically needed to protect wildlife from the worst impact of climate change. to protect the chesapeake bay and outdoor heritage from future of generations of who must act now. as this room moves forward it is important that it be implemented in a way that ensures biomass energy is done right and when it takes into account wildlife and carbon sequestration. we need biomass that replenishes forest habitat rather than degrading. there is information available now that can be used to achieve that. we also need biomass the retains storage in the near term and not far off into the future. it biomass is included under the rule in missions and reductions must occur by 2013 and no later.

power plants account for 40 percent of the current pollution in the united states contributed significantly to climate change. if we continue as as we will face a future of more frequent and increasingly violent extreme weather events sea level rise and stressors that will threaten public health and destroy and great wildlife habitats. i note that there will never be a time when the spring migration does not bring animals to the chesapeake bay watershed. one of future watch life thrives and my nephews and go fishing and continue to discover new wonders. that is why i believe we need to act on climate change today. i support the claim power plant. >> thank you. >> thank you for the opportunity to testify today. as a supporter -- i am actually

here today to read a statement for the record. this is a statement. and i am made licensed new hampshire fishing guide. not counting the time spent in my grandmother's campus i support the epa efforts to curb carbon emissions from power plants. all these years we have seen tremendous changes and not that many have been positive. as a kid and remember always before new year's day. go out on the eyes of a holiday. the incredible schools of salt water snow to feed and run up a great day fresh water tributaries.

in the 1960's it was my duty to patrol this community often as many as 500 portable ice fishing houses. there were some that came from as far as 100 miles to fisher. many supplemented and come. in the earlier days they drop through the ice. notable but not rare. what is the practical disappearance has winters of war . in 2012 there was no good winter. we have lost a tremendously important winter fishery. i find that ducks and geese are migrating. we actually had to get the state fish and game department to adjust to end in january rather than late december as had been

traditional. compacting our hunting and fishing opportunities and the economy. i applaud the epa for taking action to combat the root of the problem and hope you will do everything you can. >> thank you. >> good afternoon. i work for the national wildlife federation northeast, the program. i speak to you today as an individual and citizen and particularly as a coastal knowing wonder. thank you for the opportunity to

testify. i live and work in the beautiful coastal city of newbury port massachusetts which has been honed my family for four generations. last year neighbor report made national headlines. and while it made for a dramatic video what is missing is the rate at which we got there. when i looked at photos or still when i look at photos i notice that the scenery is eerily consistent. it looks much like our beaches to for most of my childhood, but the past decade of those still a dramatically different story. the same points that i used to sit on to apply sunscreen before crossing the border october is a hundred yards needed to be. the approaching high tide would take it with a clean break to avoid structural dennis announced. that house survived is now

neighbor by three empty lots with no indication that it will now leave the same footprint. when i considered an ally would allocate my few minutes of your attention to their wrote a first draft of cummins the nine often used to underscore the importance of decreasing reliance on carbon politics sources of energy. then i spoke to my friends about my trip to a hamas. nearly and painfully aware that we live on the front lines of climate change and that many share company and decided to deliver their most united message. maybe you have not heard that today. we have responded to the impact of climate change. out of necessity that is where we need to be. the new reality and the results of will produce in the coming years need to be part of a much larger and more holistic passage -- package that must include a

strengthened clean power role. with this rule and the collaboration that will follow we can know that the big picture is getting brighter. local populations race before the weather and the storms ahead we are in power to know we're working with in a larger and concerted effort to learn from our stores and build them and to what will be a pivotal moment. yes, i am here out of fear for the problem we face and what it means for coastal new england and all the lying communities and because it's the single greatest threat to what life and because present and future generations to serve the clean air and water that life on this planet has to offer and we will all benefit greatly from protecting immediate near and long term. yes, by terry for the challenge of combat the effects of the decade if unchecked from pollution steered me toward the final work in a very young age.

the first and foremost reason i'm here today is my confidence and ability to rise to the challenge of climate change. not only because we have to and because we are making, some progress but because we have our atlantic offshore and power capacity finally beginning to tap the estimated 1300 gigawatts of electricity generation and for to his proximity to some of the largest east coast markets. in effect it can attract can changing demands to deserving clean energy solutions that will create local jobs, stabilize energy prices, enhance the nation's competitiveness and protect future generations from dangerous impact of climate change. we cannot afford to be anything but determined to reach a clean energy future we are entirely capable of securing. i am grateful for the

opportunity to add my voice and inspire many of the words that i have heard today. i urge you for the sake of a coastal waters and wildlife and future generations for coast to coast to commit to making this will the best as can be. >> thank you. >> great. thank you very much for this opportunity to testify today regarding the epa proposed clean power plant. my name is barbara bramble. i am attending this hearing in washington where i was born and raised. i am here to convey my strong support for the momentous action that the epa has taken to combat climate change by setting limits on carbon pollution from existing power plants. all of us have an obligation to protect our children and future generations and especially the vulnerable human communities of low-lying areas around the world

who will bear the brunt of more violent storms and sea level rise. weekly have an obligation to protect wildlife and our natural resources which will see the impact of runaway climate change the disruption of climate is presenting one of the greatest threats to wildlife today and as a lever of gardening and an avid birders i applaud the epa for taking action to combat the root of the problem. i have witnessed the the damage of extreme weather including hurricanes that have affected my friends and coastal north carolina and new jersey and out of control wire fires for a bit too tough threatening the homes of other friends. the changes that have already affected wildlife, wild bird migration and planting season, we will need to take strong action to reverse the course we are on, and i applaud the epa for taking a significant step. a clean power plan is, indeed, many major step of the right

direction because the plan will help speed the way toward investment in wildlife friendly source of clean energy. just as important this new rule well convince other countries that we are at last serious about climate change which will in turn encourage them to take their own importance stepped. as you probably know, our procrastination for all these years has enabled other countries to hide behind our ownership. by lowering reliance on coal burning for power production the clean power plant also of course step to protect wildlife income a particularly reducing harmful emissions. as you finalize the standard i ask that you work to ensure that it achieves the deepest reductions possible by requiring

states to use wildlife friendly renewable energy such as wind and solar and energy efficiency and not burning more natural gas were using biofuel. the epa should strengthen the standard to reflect this potential. others have spoken in this hearing today about the health and economic benefits of the proposed rule. i will not repeat those points. but i wanted to mention just one. while the solar and wind industries already employ more people than the coal industry you should not forget that there still are thousands of people depend on those jobs. they should be provided opportunities for a positive future and that new energy economy. looking for to working with you to finalize and implement. we urge you to do everything

you can to ensure it is strengthened. wildlife and future generations are counting on your lead. >> next up. >> green and clean power tomake. i also want to help the sustainable environment. we also have to be rational in terms of our majority powers. hybrid technology sustained power. we will talk about why it

needs to be more relaxed. those areas have such power to actually produce to read every pipeline is producing able to give 300 to 600 dozen homes every month for their resources and upon the hydro turbines that will take months for approval. organizations. reducing technologies.

[inaudible] a good initiative might produce those cars? strung hundred cars use 150 gallons. compared to 150 gallons up to 25 megawatts per hour that can be used by over 7,500 pounds per month. let's put it this way, 6 gallons make up 1 megawatt per hour. consumed 300,000 alums. next up of want to talk about, where is the other two-thirds coming from? what can we control more emissions and focus on new energy technologies being

used to make focusing time on technologies. 1 megawatt per hour. comparison to solar and wind and we don't have these resources. the rational results. i we can get all the solar wind resources. shutting down power plants that actually have areas where it can produce power. technologies need to be appreciated. >> thank you. i work at the national wildlife federation here in washington d.c. i am originally from michigan and am reading testimony on behalf of

deborah hansen also of michigan. my name is deborah hansen. i work at sinai grace hospital in detroit. every day to see the human costs of pollution. in this tree in an incinerator. and an abnormally high percentage of patients suffered. my former hospital is located in the third most polluted zip code in the u.s. the coal-fired power plants all the air. last november i had the pleasure of travelling to chicago with 135 people. an epa hearing on the proposed a new standard. a number of couples brought their children along. many were testifying for the first time. it was exciting to hear their voices, dreams of a mad love for their children and communities.

these people are rarely heard. i want to act of their concerns. it is people like them who have the least political power and the fewest resources to have to live and raise their families in these power plants. i now live in beautiful northern michigan. i wrote that bows to chicago because my power co-op was determined to build the last clean coal plant in the state. the epa was proposing an exemption for the plan. this year mercifully they scrapped plans for that facility. shocking and frightening to see my country lacking mind others. we are already feeling the effects of climate change. it is time per bold action. this new standard for power balance is a critical step to move us away from coal, and proven the quality of air and mitigating global warming. i come to you today with one

request. the epa is holding hearings on the proposed standards for refineries in california, texas, but not in the heart of the great lakes. come to detroit and give some kurds to the disheartened living through bankruptcy. i am ready. i want my kids to grow up without so many breathing issues. we depend on you to provide the needed and opportunities to insure a livable world. we commit to help building the political will temecula. thank you. >> thank you. next i would like to invite up.

>> and going to be reading a statement on behalf of beverly a. newman. thank-you for the opportunity to submit formal testimony regarding the epa proposed clean power plant. i am writing to you from california to express my strong support for the epa historic action to combat climate change. here in california the starkest reminder of our changing climate is the current historic route which is compromising access to mariculture, and a lively of the people and wildlife the call california home. in the san walking valley community wells of gone dry

and residents have been forced to purchase bottled water for drinking and cooking and bathing. in northern california unprecedented wild fires threaten homes and communities throughout the winter. for wildlife this drama is been devastating. wandering further and further away from habitats and urban and suburban settings in search of food and water. migratory birds have your wet places to stop and eat as they fly over the state. dry riverbeds threaten the collapse of fisheries and the extinction of species. climate change promises to make drops like this more common and more severe. i applaud the efforts to reverse the course we are on hand for taking action to combat carbon pollution and protect our natural resources for communities, wild life, and future generations. the u.s. epa clean power plant is a positive step toward the future that relies on climate and wildlife resources rather

than fuels that pollute our air and water. a clean power plant will go beyond reducing carbon pollution protecting fish populations from mercury poisoning and reducing the need for coal mines that test for wildlife habitats and pollute our rivers and lakes. a clean power plant will also stimulate investment and innovation a clean energy technology and protect america's natural treasures for outdoor recreation, an industry that contributes $730 billion to the u.s. economy annually. as you finalize the stand and ask that you were to ensure that it achieves the deepest reductions possible by requiring states to use wild life friendly renewable energy and energy efficiency and not simply more natural gas burning. california has long been one of the engines beyond america's clean energy company producing more energy from renewable sources than any other state nevertheless 80 percent of

our power generation comes from nonrenewable and resources. the epa should strengthen the standard to reflects potential. thank you for the opportunity to comment today, and we look forward to working with you to finalize and implement the clean power plant. please do everything you can to ensure that it stays strong throughout the process. communities to wildlife, and future generations the company. >> join us later today for live coverage of the debate between canada is to be north carolina's next senator here's a quick look at some of the political ads running in north carolina. >> tired of being disgusted by the news? washington has completely lost touch with working americans. the federal budget is a joke . i am tom kelly. i came up in the real world.

the senate could use more people. i approve this message. >> i and k hagen. one of the things of love about of carolina is that unless you're talking basketball he don't have to pick a team. and so i get results. republican or democrat, and and you works, i am all for it. i approve this message because i was so proud of the nonpartisan making me the most moderate senator. not too far up, not too far right. it. >> a look of some of the political ads running in north carolina for the state senate race. live coverage of today's debate between the democratic incumbent and a republican challenger. in august under way tonight at 7:00 eastern.

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courtesy of capitol hill. he pled guilty to corruption charges and spend 12 months of along your sentence in prison before being released to a halfway house. he talks about going from lawmaker to lawbreaker. this is about an hour. >> former congressman, you called pretty ellis the most covert, manipulative, coning , stealth, vicious, cold-hearted instrument of evil that they had. what are you referring to? >> guest: i must have left out a couple of things. alice fisher. a very interesting person. she received some attention, basically she had never

particularly tried cases and was criticized for that shot. in the criminal division. she went over to work and was basically directly placed your. an extreme political operatives in a business where there of politics. she was -- i don't want to say a political hack. ..

she was not just the person that was an attorney, she was in the power position to be able to know. torture, we will let that be suppressed to bed. c-span: so, you plea bargained and what was the plea bargain, to her? >> guest: she was head of the criminal division. i call her pretty alice for personal reasons i stayed in the book. when we would be sitting there we would see press conferences. she would put on this red dress and she would be dolled up and smiling for the cameras and i would look up and say there is pretty alice. i incorporated that into the chapter.

i didn't connect these dots frankly until later during my prison time and afterwards at the exact integral part of ali alice, john boehner at that time the majority leader, barry jackson who was his chief of staff who worked for karl rove in the white house and my former chief of staff. i didn't put those pieces together but wanted up happening was she was being criticized by senator levin were not enough trial experience. tom delay was close to jack abramoff and under scrutiny by the justice department which faded away. and the other part was she had been part of this cover-up of torture. now her appointment was basically in trouble as everybody knew from senator levin on the florida senate. at some point in time when john boehner in august called me and cut a deal with me, the majority leader at that point in time when he said i had 24 hours to consider this deal or it would be irrelevant that in fact i

would be able to get a job comparable to the salary and made in congress and he would help me raise equal defense money to quote put this behind me this problem i had with the justice department if in fact i pulled out of the election. i didn't have to resign from congress but needed to say publicly i was not running. they would then get a replacement which congressman named. c-span: what you would this have been? >> guest: this would have been 2006 in august. i crewmember john boehner saying it again except the deal is off the table and we won't have us do again. i called within 24 hours after a lot of soul-searching and i said fine i will take the deal. comparable salary you find me a job and help me raise equal defense money. to fight this thing and put it behind me. i had just won the primary in 2006. i was full steam ahead. a nurse call made a significant difference in me getting out just in time so they could find someone to run in my place. after that i announced an

officially semi-letter to the secretary of state of ohio i couldn't get a janitor in john boehner's office to call me back. soon after that in september or so timeframe my lawyers had contact from the justice department that was full steam ahead indictments multiple indictments or a plea take your pick. at that point in time i made a decision to take the plea. by september 13 or so alice fisher solved her lack of prosecution on the abramoff case and that was me. all of a sudden the plea was led out. they had a plea in process. alice fisher goes on to her appointment process and that's where if you read the book i believe the dots connect. c-span: here's the one you referred to is pretty alice. >> international and domestic trips such as a trip to scotland with others valued at $160,000, a trip to new orleans valued at

$7000 a trip to lake george valued at $3500 thousands of dollars of meals, drinks, tickets to concerts, tickets to sporting events and use of a box suite to conduct fund-raisers. in exchange for this stream of benefits as congressman ney admits he agreed to perform a series of official acts including agreeing to insert for separate and unrelated amendments to election reform legislation. statements into the congressional record and agreeing to support jack abramoff's clients in obtaining a multi-million dollar contract. and then he can feel these actions from the public and from the house of representatives by filing inaccurate disclosure statements. c-span: anything she said was wrong? >> guest: yes and this is fascinating. first of all let me make it crystal clear i committed

illegal acts, unethical acts, improper acts. i took free food from jack abramoff. i took free booze from jack abramoff so i don't deny any of that. i created this problem for myself. however she mentions the lake george trip. i was not indicted or asked for a plea on that trip. that lake george trip i paid. the people that want on the trip no bad. the people that they downloaded some of my former staff they know that too that trip was the basic bulk of it was a personal trip. for friends trip. four friends took it and i paid my way on that trip. as far as the thousands of dollars which the justice department estimates $6000 of my staff and i bet we partook in food and alcohol, that's true in the estimates 6000 i would disagree with that. over at period of i think three years. that's accurate. what she fails to mention and when i would go to jack

abramoff's restaurant i would have to show the bush staffers aside to get a drink at the bar. they were getting free drinks too which is fine. i am my own problem on this but when she mentions, kind kind of highlights it in minutes. this is the one that really gets me though. amendments, inserting amendments into the help america vote act. i inserted no amendment for jack abramoff into the help america vote act. the first official election bill given with the federal government in part of the nations history was an important bill. i did not insert jack's amendments. i was on the congress committee with senator mcconnell and senator.and those folks would verify at no point in time did i say here's an amendment for jack abramoff. it simply didn't happen. and i agreed to consider an amendment with jack abramoff for the bill? yes absolutely. i am probably one of the first

members of congress in this country's history in modern times to plead a felony for agreeing to consider an amendment to a belt. if they would go to the hill hill today in charge of felony some people that are considering amendments to the bill there would be barely anybody left on capitol hill. c-span: when did you know you're doing something wrong? >> guest: they were bright lines across. for example when jack abramoff came into my office and said i have an amendment for the help america vote act he said members of the senate weren't interested. members of the senate were on board. i is a member of the house said clearly to jack abramoff that i would consider this amendment which is my felony i guess for considering the amendment. i would consider this amendment. the other thing is that the senate wanted this amendment of course. i need that bill. senators want that amendment and it doesn't ruin my bill i will consider it. at that point in time though i didn't know what was in the amendment. we didn't have an actual amendment and that in itself is

a problem. to just generically consider something that the lobbyist wants whether it's abramoff or not and say yes i will consider that then i think that's a problem in itself but the bright line is when we received a member of my staff received an e-mail and it said if you want to go to jack's restaurant and if you want to the eat and drink meaning myself and the office although staffers would take responsibility, then it's going to be taken care of. whether it's by jack or my former staff that work for jack or whoever were the lobbyist that was a crossing brain of the bright line. the other was the scotland trip in the senate of the book i came back and at that point in time i should've written a check because i knew that did not smell right. there were bright lines i cross. when did i know? i operated like d.c. operates in some ways but there were definite signs probably within a six month period of meeting jack abramoff that i should have said

that it doesn't look good. c-span: how long did you spend in congress? i was part of the contract with america class so i came in 1995. of course in january. i resigned november of 2006. c-span: how long did you spend in prison? >> guest: i was in prison 17 months. i was behind the wall as we would say for eight years period and in the halfway house so i did 17 months. i was sentenced to 30 months in my plea deal was 18 months. c-span: when you think back on prison and i know you do a whole chapter on prison and a halfway house, what comes to mind first? >> guest: first is people their warehouse. it's a warehouse. anybody that thinks its rehabilitation, anybody that thinks it's anything other than preparing people to get back into society, it's a warehouse.

c-span: what was it like getting there the first day? who was with you and what were the first couple of days like? >> guest: i did something i didn't want to do. my friend said you must come to d.c. and you have to sit with webb hubbell. remember webb hubbell when he walked into her hearing room, we were looking at whitewater and the president. we had webb hubbell brought out of prison and i remember seeing him an anti-round in the legislative services committee. they took them back to cumberland maryland prison. i am here in washington d.c. and spent four hours with webb. he prepared me for what was going to happen. he was a former assistant attorney general of the united states former chief justice of the arkansas supreme court. he said this is what's going to happen. that was the preparation. when i went to prison i didn't take my family with me.

it was dramatic and emotional as it was. i took two of my, one current staffer and one who had quit and gone on to an operations media firm. those two staffers went with me and dropped me off at prison and i went in and i walked into the kiosk. i said i am bob ney here to report. a guard came up and he said i knew one of your campaign managers in ohio and i said okay. i got down in there and that guards said you have some hate mail. it was from california and massachusetts you have hate mail waiting on you. you go to the most embarrassing part of the stripped-down and then i got the intake, walking to prison down into the courtyard. the warden and i won't use the language i did in the book but the warden told me -- the man to get away from him if he can find his own way and i'm sitting there not knowing where to go in what close to get with these new

because they called in my pajama pants. one of the other prisoner said where's your s corp is supposed to take you around? i said some little guy in his suit yelled foul language. he took made about where the laundry room. i walked in and the man is sitting there and he said are you the congressman? i said used to be. he said you are a republican argue? i said while republicans put me in here you know. i have to pull in some humor of the situation. i was the mayor of east cleveland. i will give you some clothing. c-span: he was a prisoner. >> guest: he said where's your unit? where's your escort? some little guide yelled foul things in the guy ran away in the end of the day i found out that was the warden who was standing behind me screaming letting me find my own way to teach me a lesson. i walked towards the mainline t the next day and my mind is

racing. how am i going to when i get out of here get a job. i lost every dime i have her own. one of them about my children, what about my family and what can i do? a prisoner turned to me and said you co-authored the sudafed love. you put me in here and i realized i have to get through this place. forget the house, forget the job. i've got to get through this place. i sat down and from that day changed my attitude. that was my first 24 hours. c-span: what prison was a? >> guest: morgantown federal corrections. c-span: was a close to? >> guest: mortal and -- morganville west virginia. born in west virginia race in ohio went to prison morgantown west virginia and i want to make a choice to be buried in ohio. c-span: you said you worked for eleanor rattner.

this audience knows eleanor rattner from her periods is here. before we talk about her because she's mentioned or your book and i want to run a clip. this is just her appearance about the same time this was happening. it has nothing to do with you but just to see what she looks like. >> i was a bit marcher in the 60s right over here on the small, many marches of the last big one. not the last march i've participated in but the biggest one was in november of 1969 against the war all those lbj and hey hey what do you say about that. i won't even repeat what we used to say but i have been a big dissenter my whole life. c-span: eleanor rattner in my recollection could not be any farther away from you politically. >> guest: in the day in congress in those days there was a road that eleanor rattner and i agreed on, zero politically. today we might agree on some

things that still today i call her lovingly the queen of the left. ellen is a pure true liberal in all the sense of being liberal. we have been friends since i walked into the doors of congress and politically we are closer here and there today but in the congressional instance not one but we would share. c-span: what did she do for you? >> guest: allen did several things. we not only became friends, we have this i call it karmic relationship in the sense that she changed her birthday, birthday party her big 50th and has a result i didn't want to go to a scheduled event i had in new york city where i was to open nasdaq go to open nasdaq go into the tower in some kind of fund-raiser and close the stock exchange and i had our office at seven for september 11, 2001. ellen change her birthday party. we think we can make a september the fourth so one week earlier i'm looking over the crisp day

of new york. that was a cosmic bind. i had been in the towers that day had she not changed her her birthday party so there's something bill and ellen rattner that's more than a friend. she visited me as a prisoner. she said you need to work for newsradio. i said i don't want publicly to do anything. i just want to work a job. she said you need to get back in the saddle. enough things to offer. what ellen did for me not only did i work for her but ellen was my friend, counselor psychiatrist tough love. as you know ellen rattner doesn't let you get by with anything. she will tell you right now in an unfiltered tone and i mean it with all flattery. ellen has been a wonderful friend. c-span: where do you live now? >> guest: near columbus ohio which i used to share -- are narrowed governor and the current congressman pat t.

berry. c-span: married twice, divorced twice. current relationships? >> guest: no. c-span: kids? >> guest: two kids and a grandchild. right to go back to the prison. the thought of public officials being in prison and the experience is rarely written about and you put it here on paper. what was it like in the first couple of days am a kind of a cell where u.n.? you mentioned there was a toilet in the cell with you. it does serve the people? >> guest: the toilet is if you are put into solitary confinement. the shue as i mentioned and i mention that because if you get in trouble that's where you are placed with another person and is not a good place to be. c-span: did you ever get in trouble? >> guest: i do get in trouble once because i want to do some laundry and the one officer said what are you doing? i said laundry and it's hard to explain that the tvs were

turned which may pick it up and walk around. here they had turned the tvs off so we thought we could get up and walk around. i said, i can't repeat what he said to me on tv. i know who you are congressman and blah blah blah but i never got cited for it. as far as what the prison was like, i was married to my second life in my children and you are going into prisons a walk in there and everything you have ever known is behind you. i tell my friends i went from capitol hill hello mr. chairman hi mr. chairman would you like a drink mr. chairman to no you were not getting a second round of old male mail, move on so it's a bit of a different attitude in prison. when i went in i immediately met some people and i'm going to be frank about this. i became friends more with the people who were in there for drug offenses than a white-collar crime people. i had white-collar crime friends

but became friends with the people who were in for drug offenses. first of all that in the wind as much about prison. they were more street savvy and they were people who had a lot to share. they never would have had a chance to meet a member of congress. they would never and a lot of them told me that, a lot of minorities african-americans and latinos said we never would have had an opportunity to meet you and we would love to ask you questions. i would answer questions and some of the classrooms and talk to them about jobs and resumes so i received a lot back from them but the first initial part is terrifying for anyone especially myself because i went from a lawmaker to allow breaker. some some people in prison said you made the laws that put me in here. you did that to me. of course you try to say what you broke the law but yes i created the law. some. c-span: was at the country club security? >> guest: ricky campbell has

written two pages in this book. ricky campbell was a prisoner in something fascinating as to say he was in longer than i was in cap better notes. as ricky addresses the club that thing barbara walters did a club that interview about swimming pools and how these are club feds. this was a minimum so it wasn't a camp. c-span: there were no bars? >> guest: that's correct. open cubicles and things like that. they lock you you in an item they are officers but you could get up to go to the restroom or something. there are no particular cells unless you get in trouble and then you go into the shu holding area. as far as the club fed attitude it's prison. it's punishment. you will do this at a certain time. you will do that at a certain time. you will follow the rules.

if you have an emergency at home too bad. if someone dies you hear ney to the chapel. you go to the chapel and this is a particular case from two friends your mother died in by the way you a $22 your account. that is how you were told. i know i did wrong and their people imprisoned that did wrong but there's a human quality that if you want to psychologically root rebuilds someone who has committed a crime you would undertake this in a different way so prison this note joyride. but the club fed years ago when i did that whole club that thing he gave the country club attitude to the place. yes there are maximum-security places i wouldn't want to be where there are hard-core people that may be committed murder or such types of crime but minimums are no picnic ride where you are free to stalk deer family and pick up the phone and do what you want to do.

c-span: who was charles mosier? >> guest: charles moser was my probation officer. he was assigned to me in columbus ohio. had an interesting situation because whether intentionally or whatever he was in fact calling to the prison and the prison the gentleman in the prison that oversaw that part of the probation when you leave would call me and just would scare me to death. what do you have? do you think you or something congressman? i would say i don't know charles moser and i never heard of the man. the gentleman in imprisoned told me i'm going to take care of this. i'm going to call his boss. the calls and created a massive heartburn and as i also show in the book they called me and asked me who i was working for which would be ellen rattner and how much money i was going to make which i didn't know at the

time and all these details you normally are put through all prior to getting out of prison. i was not released from prison on the due date. i outline in the book how i biaxin was able to get a private call to my attorney. c-span: how much of the book can be written yourself? >> guest: the entire book myself except for the former staffer of mind that put together what i would call the chapter in the book. i had an editor sherry johnson, a wonderful woman who was part of my conscious to say this is what i think and i can make the final call and she would fluff up some of my writing style but the actual book itself as farce the thoughts in the book i didn't have a ghostwriter who gave me the material but i wrote them myself. sherry as editor would help me. c-span: where did you write? >> guest: i wrote the book in india.

angola at the beach in india. it's called goa and dharamsala india and i was five minutes from the dalai lama's residents. i wrote it basically in 60 days. c-span: how did you write it? longhand or did you dictated? >> guest: i had one of those i don't know what you call it you speak into this mic and i would sit down on the computer, go to either down by the ocean would go to the t. jobs and i would send it to sherry and it was to start after my outlined start chapter by chapter. i would return and do editing from my return which would have been around may 31. i returned and did editing up to january when we push the send button and produced the bill. c-span: changing labs press in

cleveland. did they publish? >> guest: that's ellen rattner opened her own publishing company. she has published for five books and she would be a lot to it herself and right now they have mary l. hemingway and published a book by sherry johnson who is my editor a book about her daughter who is ellen's partner and i think they have to two other people so it's a new publishing company. there's another media person in media person and you're besides ellen rattner that you write about. john brezhnev. you don't care a lot for john brezhnev -- breznahan. >> guest: breznahan at that time sent to my press secretary and e-mail. brian brought the e-mail in and it clearly said in their some bad language of what he was going to do to mr. ney.

when i said to brian i want the e-mail, it's one of those e-mails you don't want to have in the hands of other people but brian gave me the e-mail. i've been told by some of abramoff's people than john breznahan was getting information from jack abramoff and the whole thing was going down because jack was secluded from the press as you can imagine after the "washington post" and "the new york times" and everybody else is was going after him. breznahan was doing stories that at that point in time i was told pointblank by jack abramoff's people that jack was angry at me. i had used a word that he duped me and tom delay was still standing up for him and as a result breznahan was helping to do some stories that would cause me heartburn. jack was feeding him items of what we did and what we did etc..

the second is the fact that the whistleblower who really started this everybody says emily miller started this. the whistleblower was tom rogers. he's a native american and has been involved in native american issues. he was the first woman covered with rightfully so the deals of jack abramoff and the indian tribes. tom rogers confronted jack abramoff not long ago at the press club within last year and said your people were in cash games and high-stakes card games with reporters. members of congress and mostly staff lobbyist. jack said i can't recall. at that point in time i played cards with breznahan and paid breznahan money in the last year that i was in trouble and i knew they had card games. i felt that was important to reveal in the process. i didn't think that it should occur and i felt reznor hand the way he would carry out stories

on people yet he himself is a reporter was making terrible violations of the rules and the ethics and the smell of the ethics involved with staffers and lobbyists in this card games. the other thing is there was an arrangement of jack abramoff and i said to buy the hell magazine and breznahan become the editor and jack had this plan when he could control the media and stories written against other lobbyists that he was dealing with. >> what kind of worry did you have? you accused john breznahan of taking money. you say in the book that you let them win a card games. >> guest: i don't say the breznahan knew that. i'm sitting there, i'm in trouble. i'm sitting there whether right or wrong in a card game with a reporter and i have a pretty good hand. i'm going to fold at hand and lose 268 dollars.

that's my intention. i'm not saying bresnahan said to do that. c-span: what has he done wrong than? >> guest: i don't think is a reporter you should be in cash games with members of congress or cash games with lobbyists. how many lobbyists are folding hansa would make somebody happy? c-span: i wrote down you talked about the money in d.c.. who are the money for his? >> guest: i think the system itself and i came to this conclusion that the system itself is dysfunctional read john mccain was going to clean up the system. we were going to not have money as we noted in the system. it proliferated into a nuclear war of campaign funds. the feingold campaign finance reform did zero and created loopholes for 527th. i believe a lot of it is the race for money.

i am asked constantly on radio shows today about members of congress and there are plenty of good members of congress on both sides of the aisle and there are some people that we know since i've gotten into trouble for unethical activities but the system itself is doomed to corruption. anything jack abramoff -- i.e. drank booze with james -- jake tapper mocks anything jack abramoff and i did is codified in united states law. if i'm a lobbyist and brian you are a congressman today, i give true examples in the book that it happened. i put these examples in the book sometimes with names omitted for a reason. if i want to i can take you to alaska and we can hunt. we could have a three or 4000-dollar dinner better food than jack abramoff had. i can raise to $75,000 in and take you a staffer in some of your family flight he was a congressman to