during which he was extraordinarily forced about the influence of the industry and how they were able to get the port of lawmakers in sort of layout to me the details of how they had pushed the bill through the legislature in the previous session and i kept thinking, why are you being so forthright with a? >> i told you i was a reporter. i'm going to write this down. >> guest: exactly. that is what i kept thinking.

i was taking notes. not like i was making -- but it turned out at the hand of our interview retired for several hours and when i got to build a given my credit card to pick up the tab, he said you really don't look anything like i expected. i thought you were paul. i immediately knew what it happened. there is another ken silverstein in west virginia who writes a lot about the oil industry. he writes her trade industry publication and is very, very i would say more sympathetic to the industry and circumspect than i am. so i felt obliged to say i think there's been a misunderstanding. but because of that misunderstanding, i did hear a lot of very interesting stories. and to her great credit, even afterwards she clearly was surprised when i said i am not

that ken silverstein. as she continued to talk to me all along although it was originally the chapter is based on the piece for harper's magazine and has spoken with are much than then. >> host: so you close within. why? >> guest: truly because it's an interesting and funny story i think. neil bush is the brother of george w. bush and the son of richard bush senior of course. he just had a curious and really astonishing career in the oil industry, which certainly hasn't been based on his success because he's failed repeatedly time and time again. you'd see a track record unblemished by his success. and yet people over the years have continuously partnered with him and it's really hard to understand why it is because his

family name. he hasn't done as well in the obama years. i would think that a star would rise. truly it was because i thought it was a funny story and an interesting story and reflection in the way not just go businessworks aired it is the way the world works. the way the business world works. >> host: chelsea clinton had a number of astonishing career opportunities. >> guest: getting paid an astonishing amount of money. i thought it was a funny story. the truth is my editor and i discussed it and it didn't really fit anywhere else and we didn't want to lose. so that is true that how it ended up being in the last chapter. >> host: i was going to ask this in you provided one sort of a lot of people talk to you on the record. how do you make that approach? >> guest: i don't know.

i'm always surprised at why people -- in some ways by people talk to journalists although i also think it's a smart thing to do. i think even though i'm critical of the industry, i generally was good to my word with people. i told them if they ask him i'm pretty critical of the industry. i also think i spoke to a lot of people who are competent and powerful and having some with a lot of doubt. but it will also feel like they've done a lot of interesting and important things and they are not embarrassed by what they've done and they feel they have a big stories to tell. but frequently as a journalist, you know, you may be writing a story and you think why even bother? obviously never get to return.

people talk to you for a lot of different reasons. and has expanded me. sometimes it's pride he had sometimes because they're open-minded. sometimes they are confident and usually it's some combination of these things. that was far outnumbered the ones who did outnumber me. >> i've always loved the excuses. i once had a company tell me every single person to work for the company will be traveling for the next month and a half. they said no, no, everyone is traveling. very busy schedule. >> guest: the best turndown aycock, mostly i just never heard. i requested interviews with

glenn corr and they were very busy. usn quite as extreme as in your case, but it did seem like a very long time no one was available no matter where i was going to be here was willing to go. >> host: well, i think we are out of time. thank you were spending an hour talking to me and thanks to the viewers for spending an hour listening. >> guest: thank you. >> that was "after words," booktv signature program in which the nonfiction exerted by journalists, public policymakers and others familiar with their material. "after words" airs every week and i'm a tv at 10:00 p.m. on saturday, 12:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. on sunday and 12:00 a.m. on monday. you can also watch "after words" online. go to booktv.org and click on

"after words" in the booktv series and topic clips on the up right side of the page. >> ucla's balerie matsumoto sat down to talk about her book on the "city girls" about the second generation of japanese-american women and the years surrounding world war ii. this 20 minute interview as part of a tedious college series. >> host: valerie matsumoto, when did japanese immigration to the united states began and really take off? >> guest: well, the first to come or students in the 1890s and they were seeking western tip knowledge he nhtsa knowledge to strengthen imperial rule. but actually they were soon followed by a huge number of

workers who are looking for economic opportunities. so the first went to hawaii, but by the 1900s, more were coming to the continental united states. >> host: how big was that wave? >> guest: we are talking -- it is easy to work backwards, but by the eve of world war ii, there were 125,000 japanese-americans cover 22 thirds of whom were american war and in the continental united states and about 150,000 in hawaii. post go again, on the eve of world war ii, 120,000 japanese americans in the united states. just as there were several thousand in the east coast. >> guest: eisai means literally first-generation. it refers to the japanese immigrants.

nisei been second-generation and it refers to the u.s. generation american-born children. >> host: so is there a third-generation as well? >> guest: >> guest: there certainly >> guest: there certain names. the sensei. i am in fact one of the third generations. >> host: so your grandparents came to the state? >> guest: they did. >> host: what do you know about them? >> guest: my mother's father came over 100 years ago in the family story is to get conscription into the imperial army. certainly seeking economic opportunity coming from a rural family. he went back when he was about 21. i take that back. he went back inside later when he had earned enough money to bring back a life.

my father's spirits were both teenagers from a small fishing area who came i think when they were about 15 and 17. >> host: about 100 years ago is when they came as well? >> guest: day came in the late 18 teams. >> host: nearly 100 years ago. did they become citizens? were they allowed to become citizens? >> guest: the japanese immigrants were able to become citizens in 1952 with the walter act being passed. i believe that one set of grandparents chose and once said of grandparents never got around to it. >> host: what about your parents? when were they born and did they live here in southern california? >> guest: my parents were born in 1826 in my father's family lived in orange county. but he actually was born in

russia and oregon where my grandfather had done a range of things. he worked -- he was a lumberjack for a while and he did many things. they ended up farming in southern california. so my mother was born in northern california in oakland. >> host: valerie matsumoto is a professor at ucla and booktv is on location at the university of california los angeles talking with professors about their books. you didn't know we were going to do your family history prior to getting into your book i'm a which is called "city girls." during world war ii world war ii, were your parents? >> guest: my mother's family was first incarcerated in the center and then they were sent to the topaz camp in utah. my father's family was sent to the santa anita family center and they ended up in the largest of the camp in arizona.

as luck would have it, both of those began as racetrack. so in both camps people that seem only just recently vacated by the worse. >> host: did your parents -- did they talk about this? >> guest: my father did not talk about it. but my mother has told me many stories about her experiences. >> host: who were the city girls you are talking about in your book? >> guest: the city girls are the urban japanese-american second-generation who got to have falsified that my poor rural parents did not have to have because they grew up having to work from dawn until dusk. the city girls are the second-generation nisei girls and young women who grow up in southern california who were able to participate in a wide range of extensive youth clubs. many of them sponsored by

churches, the ymca, ywca, girl scouts, u.s.a. and a host of other organizations. >> host: professor matsumoto come your book western 1920 to 1950. the japanese-americans didn't get citizenship until 1952. or is that just the nisei? >> guest: that is the first generation of the immigrants because of the united states first-rate citizenship, their children come in second generation were american citizens by birth. so it was they who were able to gain title ii land and never the ones able to vote and participate politically. >> host: with a total california girls? >> guest: absolutely. this particular group or the terry finance. they were the group founded

under the auspices of the union church in newark pileated with the ywca. they have lots of parties and dances. they are active in social service and community organizing. >> host: -- >> guest: i get is an poor tend to think about why they formed. the 192730 through actually quite a difficult period. there's a great deal of racial exclusion. residential segregation and certainly our young people this vary from school to school and district to district at the level of acceptance and exclusion. i think the fact that by 1940 there were something like 400 nisei lovesick as testimony to

the difficulties they faced an acceptance on the larger society and >> host: what is the long-term effect of these clouds? >> guest: i would like to mention these clubs are not just a southern california phenomenon, that there were clouds from seattle, sacramento, los angeles and san diego. their others in bland but i'm not so familiar with. but these clubs have been tremendously important. many scholars have wondered why the japanese-american community was able to reveal relatively steadily after their perspiration during world war ii. i think that of course this is glossing over a lot of the hardships they experience but i think it's important to think

about the underpinning, which was a vast array of youth clubs that help train youngsters in getting all kinds of organizational leadership skills from the time they were in junior high school because many, many urban poor in these clouds then i learned how to organize sales and fun race and put together a plan for the year to set goals and to reach them from a very early age and the net work continued on for high school students for those who were either going to college or who were college age, young singles and on. and so, i think that we can see women participation been particularly prominent in the same way we can see that there are very, very active in the postwar period. one of the most interesting manifestations is how many women he came very involved in the postwar redress movement of the

1970s and 80s. both on grassroots levels mobilizing community groups, but also been involved in legislative lobbying. >> host: was your mother a nisei? i mean, was she in the club? >> guest: now, my mother wishes she had been in the club, but again she grew up in rural east oakland. so she was doing a lot of farm work. they didn't have the access to transportation like the city girls that i've write about. so she was not able to do those things. >> host: are these nisei girls still friends? do they still get together? >> guest: yes. certainly the younger groups during the war and after the war were some of in the 70s. many of them do get together. there is a group called the jugs, which stands for just us girls for sports and dancing and

may still get together. and they meet regularly to play poker in a code to gather to las vegas once a year. >> host: how important are these clubs to the girls during world war ii internment camps? >> guest: i think the clubs are very important and i think their importance continues over in the prewar period. not only were there limitations on their acceptance of the larger society, but they had really strict immigrant parents who frowned upon and click dating and possibly be insane. the way to give parents approval for the activities they wanted to try was to join the club, often under church auspices but that eisner's and chaperones. this enabled the nisei to

experiment, to gain social experience, to enjoy all kinds of things including going out and go into places that their parents were not familiar with like museums and libraries yet so there's a range of the duties that the clubs opened up for them. this also included however opportunities to study japanese culture and language as well as western abdicate and cooking. they really did it range of things but second-generation multis, but also a chance to claim modern community and american identity. during the war when people were demoralized they were the parent comment tuscola situation and there are very few resources. they were just living in the tarpaper barracks. they have nothing. they lost everything.

there was not only the sense of trauma, but also for young people a great sense of boredom. there was a lot to do there. they felt like they'd been exiled in the middle of nowhere. so the older nisei began to organize clubs for the younger. some of the clubs continued, the new clubs formed to give them something meaningful to give them an outlet for their energy. they were filled with sports activities, dances and the things they were trying to do to maintain more out. one of the interesting clubs is one founded by yuri kochi on. she became rather famous as an activist who is a friend of mathematics. during the war she was in the family center and then she was sent to the drone can.