it is not what distinguishes gospel writers. what distinguishes them is a bodily form after he died. he was effervescent. he was strong. if they'd seen a man who served on the cross as many scholars said they would've never followed him because they would have known he wasn't resurrected , but he was just one step from the grave. the truth is he was the risen christ and they base their faith on seeing him. ..

♪ >> thank you, david. as you know we have a lot of speakers and we do our best to keep everyone on time. we do have a timer in front of us and you know what it means when that red light goes off? not very much. [laughter] earlier this morning as he was

walking off he said i'm sorry it went so long and i'm thinking now what do we go into the way back in time machine to get that back lacks [laughter] aren't a good speeches and aren't we grateful for the speeches that we've heard? [applause] all right. now we are going to bring up the cleanup last speech of the afternoon came and who was born in who was born in baton rouge louisiana to immigrants from india and would one day become governor of the state, isn't america wonderful? first elected to congress in 2004 and then reelected in 2006. 2007 he won the race to become governor, and after his first term of dramatic reform and political ethics in louisiana on education reform and business improvement, he was greedy was really elected greedy like that in 2011 in a landslide. ladies and gentlemen would you please welcome from louisiana, governor bobby jindal?

's ♪ ♪ thank you very much. thank you for that generous reception. it's so great to be here with you in washington, d.c.. actually that's not really quite true. [laughter] it's never really great to be in washington, d.c.. washington, d.c. is a very funny place. i've had the opportunity to work here now five different kinds. first time i was an intern. there is no job too lonely for them to give an intern to do. learned a lot about the copy machine, the coffee machine and was kind of things. i worked in the private sector and the third time i was here i was in the national commission

on the future of the bipartisan commission for the future of medicare. we came so close to finding a bipartisan solution strengthening and reforming medicare. i believe we were torpedoed because president clinton couldn't control his luck and that torpedoed the commission thanks to the scandal. québec a fourth time i was an assistant secretary in the bush administration. it was an honor to work with president president bush by also saw firsthand some of the waste and wasted federal government, how they spend our tax dollars. but the most interesting time i came to dc was the fifth time. i had the privilege to come here as a congressman. and let me tell you when you come as a congressman, is a whole different experience. it's like somebody gives you the secret password. when you first get elected they give you this pain that allows you to go anywhere you want in the capital. then they give you a license plate for your card and it's interesting as age and it has a number on it, the lover of the

more important you are. you find out very quickly with license plate you are allowed to park wherever you want. i was circling the building and i couldn't find a parking spot and they came out fighting for and what are you doing? i said there is no parking spot and he said it's not for you, you park wherever you want u. don't worry you don't worry about those signs. then they give you about a million dollars to run your office and you can spend it however you want. it's an amazing thing when you get elected to congress and they give you the secret keys. your jokes get funnier when you're smarter, better looking. [laughter] i told my colleagues when you go to the office the next day the next group of lobbyists that come to see you i want you to say the dumbest thing you can think of. [laughter] you tell them the sun rose in the west this morning. [laughter] i guarantee they will try to agree. they both say that the smartest

thing i've ever heard. i saw the sun rise in the west. [laughter] i know because i lost my first election and people tell me what is the difference between losing and winning? when you lose you have a lot more friends. when i won my election i remember there was one that endorsed one of my opponents, the elected official going on tv could size me and he came to see me after i won and he said i was secretly for you from the very first day. i said i don't even know what that means. i want you to be secretly for the other guy and publicly for me. the reason i tell you all that is that dc is a very funny and dangerous environment for the elected officials. i think we need to change how we pay them. they complain we don't pay them enough i think we need to pay them per vm exits every day they leave washington rather than every day they stay in washington. [applause]

everything in washington, d.c. is about politics and political slogans. remember a few years back bill clinton ran for president with the slogan, it's the economy, stupid. the point he was making were economic concerns are all that matters. i certainly agree the economy is important in his campaign won but i think that was a very flawed view of america. every political strategists .-full-stop candidates focus almost exclusively on economic issues. i disagree. i think the key to a strong america is economic strength. in our democratic system of government. here is what i believe. as america's culture goes, so goes america. i'm glad we've got a free market economy. free-market economy. i'm glad we have a democratic system. but it's not the economy stupid, rather it's the culture, stupid. [applause]

don't get me wrong i'm all for capitalism and a stronger economy that capitalism and free enterprise will fail in the country when people don't respect the rule of law. they don't care for each other or share the common view of the dignity of all mankind and god's creation but simply, culture matters. don't get me wrong i love democracy, but even democracy will fail with the collective intentions of the governor bans on selflessness and something getting others. democracy only works when you rely on the bedrock foundation of the culture where people do the right thing and complained by the rules. otherwise democracy simply becomes the will that relies on the hopi culture. the culture that admits that some things are right and some things are wrong. the culture that respects life. it honors the dignity and the

values of our judeo-christian ethics. there is no magic for the free enterprise system or the democracy or the military. it cannot be undone by men behaving badly. that is an unfashionable sentiment in the society. many wanted to believe that a completely secular society is a desirable goal for america. if the culture is sick, capitalism, democracy and military minds will not save us. the countries of western europe have weakened themselves by adopting a secular worldview that pushes the matter of faith to the side. i've got no interest in seeing america go the way of europe. as for me, i think that clinton got it wrong. as for me i think it's the

culture and that brings me to what i want to talk about today. there is so much this president, the obama administration has done that worries me and worries the culture. i worry about $18 trillion of debt and obamacare becoming putting bureaucrats between us and doctors and i worry about the epa smuggling or economy and about taxes and borrowing and regulations and the growth of the federal government for the conservative leadership we can reverse much of the damage. the thing that worries me the most common thing that keeps me up at night is this president's relentless effort to change the definition of the american dream. you see it in his actions and speeches. you listen to the president long enough you understand what he means about the american dream it's all about envy and class warfare and dividing and redistribution. it's about growing the federal government to make it bigger, more expensive, more expensive and more like you are more involved in our lives.

it's not the american dream that our parents taught me. the american dream i learned about was an america where we are forever young. an america where our best days are all ahead of us where the circumstances of your birth don't determine the outcome as an adult in america. but we are not guarantee equal outcomes, we are guaranteed equal opportunity if you work hard and get a great education, you can do great things. [applause] now, the reason this is so important to me is my parents as my parents have lived the american dream. i've had is the only one of the family to get past the fifth grade. literally grew up in a house without electricity, without running water. i know because we heard these stories every single day of our lives. [laughter] good luck trying to get an allowance from a guy like that. here's the amazing thing.

nearly 50 years ago might have my appearance came halfway across the broad baton rouge, louisiana. they've never been on a plane. they've never been to louisiana. they'd never even met anybody who had been to louisiana or was from louisiana. you can't ask what's the weather like where the food were the people yet my dad brought my mom halfway across the world because they knew in their bones even though they've never visited they knew that it was a special place and if you got here -- [laughter] [applause] and by the way mr. president, it's not that hard. we don't need a comprehension though all we need to do is secure the border. that's all we need him to do, and get it done. [applause] dot they knew if you can get here and if you work hard, you

can pursue the american dream and pursue even more opportunities for your children and grandchildren. there is freedom and opportunity in this great country. my dad got here. my dad was in their apartment and didn't know anybody. he wanted a job, he didn't want a handout. he started calling company after company in the yellow pages and i love what happens. he keeps calling and calling and calling him a day after day and hour after hour. finally, he wears somebody down. [laughter] finally there is a guy that hired him sight unseen and says to them you can start monday morning. i love my dad said and because the new boss hadn't even met the man, that's great he said i don't have a car or driver's license, you have to pick me up on the way to work monday morning. [laughter] only my dad could get away with that. he was so taken by his desire to work that he did exactly that.

six months earlier i was born. i was what he would call a pre-existing condition back when i was born. [laughter] i created their insurance coverage. and here's the amazing thing. i was born at the same hospital where years later to will be gone. when a kids were born we had to fill out hours of paperwork. when i was born, there was no insurance to cover me. my dad went to the doctor come he didn't sign a piece of paper, he didn't apply for a government program. he went to the doctor and said i will send you a check every month until i pay this bill in full, and that's exactly what he did. he shook hand with the doctor, two men in the hospital shaking hands making a commitment to pay that bill. [applause]

i don't believe that would work today. that is a simple time that i ask how do you pay for a baby on lay away. how layaway. how does that work. [laughter] if you skip a payment, do they take it back? [laughter] what do they do? he assured me don't worry worry you're paid for nobody is coming to take you. [laughter] i mentioned two of our three kids were born there and the third was born at home. i don't have time to tell you the entire story i will just tell you one thing i learned from that story. every man man and hear coming you need to go home and thank think your mom, wife, sister, daughter. there is a reason that god in his infinite wisdom doesn't allow men to have babies. [laughter] the dumbest thing i heard was a weak leader in church -- because we didn't plan this. it happened so quickly my wife delivered in the bedroom just two of us and everybody is congratulating me. i just caught the baby. i didn't do anything. [laughter] a week later a guy says to me the same thing happened to me.

[laughter] how did the same thing happen to you? he said i had kidney stones, it is the same thing. [laughter] that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. [laughter] i wouldn't go home and tell my wife that. i will tell you this -- married for 17 years. i've only lied to her once and it was that morning. our baby comes out all pink and wrapped in a blanket but it's not like that in real life. [laughter] so she's asking me how does he look, how does our sunblock? if i was honest i would have said he doesn't look like he's done, let's put it in for a while longer. [laughter] if i was really being honest and thinking is i would have said he looks like your site of the family, doesn't look like my

side of the family. [laughter] i like being married so i didn't see any of those things. i said he is a handsome boy, ten fingers and attend those. she was in pain and in distress and the first time i handed her our son to hold for the first-time -- and we had been through this two times before -- the first time she held her child, she forgot about her pain and her distress. i fell in love with her all over again when i saw mom holding bv come and this reminds you what a miracle of life, what an amazing gift to be there and to be a part of that. [applause] going back to the american dream it's funny mark twain said the older you get the smarter your parents to come and it's true i hate to admit it the older i become i'm becoming more and more like my dad. i say things i swore that i would never say. [laughter]

my dad used to tell us if your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump off a bridge? no idea what that meant i still save to my children all the time. [laughter] my dad loved to tell us you're not in a democracy when you're under my rules under my roof and the dictator of this house. i tell my kids that all the time really are not voting on that. i said so. one of the things my dad used to teach me growing up he would say i'm not giving you the famous last name or inheritance. but i will make sure that you get a great education. because in america there is no limit to what you can accomplish. the second thing he would tell us all the time would be this. he would say you need to get on your knees every night and thank god almighty that you were blessed to be born in the greatest country in the history of the world, the united states of america. [applause]

i want to fight to make sure that our children and grandchildren can see that same prayer of gratitude as well read i was thinking about what we have done in louisiana. we've done a lot. i could talk about cutting the budget 26%, 28,000 state jobs and the strongest economy in a generation. i could have talked about the fact that we are ranked the most pro-life state in the country year after year. [applause] our strong second amendment protections. but the one thing i want to talk about briefly as we have worked hard to make sure that we give parents an educational choice in louisiana. whether kids are homeschooled or public school or charter school, we want to empower parents and the one reader sent in louisiana

parents don't have a clue when it comes to making choices for their kids to. that was a debate we face today. on our side we trust the american people to make their own decisions. they don't think that we are smart enough to pick up her job in schools or our own health insurance. they don't think that we are smart enough without the government telling us how to live our lives. and here is the amazing thing. in our scholarship program, 93% of the parents are happy with the program. we are saving tens of millions of dollars. academic performance is getting better year after year yet the thanks we got from the program is eric holder and isn't it a great piece about to be out of the job? [applause] my only request is the next attorney general actually reads the constitution before he takes the job. [applause]

eric holder took us to federal court to try to stop our choice program. i came here to dc at the national press club and i denounced the obama administration and the eric holder lawsuit is being hypocritical. i don't think that i'm being invited back to the christmas party by the way. [laughter] but the reason i said that is that it's wrong for the federal government to try to interfere and micromanage the educational choices being made in louisiana and it is wrong for them to try to trap the schools and to say they know better than parents held their kids should be educated which is why we are in federal court right now suing the federal government saying they should give common core out of the state of louisiana. [applause] it is a violation of the tenth amendment and federal law to try to make curriculum decisions in the classrooms and beyond a

philosophical point i am by prince to actually look at the reading text associated with common core. look at the math problems. it makes absolutely no sense. there's no reason to give these old eurocrats the right to dictate how the classrooms are run and baton rouge or louisiana or any other state in the united states of america. [applause] but you may wonder how to get to the point the federal government feels like it has this power. for once i agree with david axelrod. he was trying to defend president obama at one point and he said it was in the president's fault. i don't remember what scandal, there've been so many. but he said the federal government is so bad and so expensive, the president couldn't possibly know what was going on. that is exactly right. that is exactly the problem. the federal government is so vast and expansive. remember when bill clinton famously said that era of big

government was over? never before has somebody been so wrong about something so important in our modern political history. if i could go back and i are speaking several years ago on the stage and if i were to ask you to predict what happened in the country, you wouldn't have believed it. if i'd gone back in time and said what you believe would you believe that the irs to go after conservative groups would you have believed that? no. if i were to go back and say what you really believe the department of justice and the other reporters but you have belief that? no. 18 truly in dollars of debt to create a new entitlement program when we cannot afford the ones we have now would you believe that? no. if i had gone back and said that our ambassador was going to be killed and would play in a youtube video, would you believe that? no. if i were to go back and said defense secretary clinton would so get exasperated having to answer questions about this but he would you would say what difference does it make?

what you have believed that? no. there are so many of these things but maybe this is the most dangerous. we are seeing now the unprecedented assault on our religious liberty rights right here in the united states of america. [applause] i was happy this up in court ruled 5-for and they don't have to spend over a million dollars in fines or the government simply because they don't want to use their own money to pay for the border sanctions. i have a question for the border. why was it a 5-4. why wasn't it 9-0 in the united states? when this president, when secretary clinton, when they talk about the freedom of religious expression, they mean you've got to write on sunday morning and wednesday nights to have your religious views.

that is not religious liturgy. that's not what the founding fathers intended. what's dangerous about this there is no freedom of speech or freedom of association without religious liberty in this country. you may remember when the whole duck dynasty controversy happened one of the first people to come out and speak in defense of phil and the robertson family was the governor of louisiana. [applause] you may have thought i did but simply because they are friends. that's not why i did it. you might have thought i did it should louisiana. that's not why i did it. you may think i did it because my little boys are huge fans of the show. [laughter] and by the way, isn't it great to have a tv show that you can watch with your kids without having to be embarrassed for once? [applause] that's not why i did it either. i did because i'm it because i'm tired of the left. they said that they tolerate

diversity of the views that they like different opinions. the reality is they are unless you happen to disagree with them. i'm tired of the hypocrisy and it's time to take a stand and say enough is enough. [applause] i knew this president didn't like the second amendment to the constitution and i thought he would leave the first one alone. we keep saying president obama is a smart man and constitutional lawyer. there is one lawsuit i would endorse. i think the president should sue harvard law school to get his tuition back. i don't know what he learned in those three years. [applause]

there's one thing i wish the president would hear loudly today. the united states of america did not create religious liberty. religious liberty created the united states of america and is the reason that we are here today. [applause] the president spoke to the national prayer breakfast in the town a few months ago and it was so odd for these folks he spoke eloquently about the plight of christians being persecuted overseas. and he was right. there is a shooting war going on overseas. it's a silent for. they are not the same. but it was jarring to hear the president speaks of eloquently in contradiction to what his own administration is doing here at home. yet, once again there was a grand canyon sized opportunity to what he does and what he

says. if you didn't hear the speech, this is what the president had to say. the president is concerned about religious liberty. and if you like your religious liberty, you can keep your religious liberty. [laughter] i can't close without mentioning one thing that is frustrating. you see it everyday the administration is the weakest one comes to foreign policy. it makes america not only weaker but the world a more dangerous place. this is a president that doesn't believe in american exceptionalism. he simply waited while i sit gathered and called the junior varsity team less than a year ago traded this is a president who after the beheading of james foley peeking out and express our grief well but didn't lay out a strategy. indeed at the time they needed to be contained and we never

heard them say they need to be hunted down and killed and destroyed. this is a president who doesn't seem to understand that when erica is strongest, the world is safest. that isn't just a saying. that is a true statement. [applause] i know that doesn't sound familiar to those that occupied the administration but sometimes it is about sophisticated sometimes it is pretty simple. our enemies do not fear us or trust us anymore. not only is the president making isis stronger but it's making us more vulnerable and america weaker. this president believes the multilateralism as a goal, not as a tactic. we must not give veto power over our own national security and foreign policy to the capitals of the world.

i was going around in 2012 saying that this president was the worst since jimmy carter. after the election i came here and apologize to jimmy carter. [laughter] jimmy carter was just incompetent. [laughter] but he believed in american exceptionalism. this president doesn't be beat america isn't only the strongest most visible but the longest and most consistent defender of human dignity and freedom into the world needs america. we are the indispensable nation and liquor he realizes there is evil in the world that must be confronted, defeated, exterminated but simply a comedy that are negotiated with the sooner we will resume our rightful place in world affairs and the sooner we will be protecting american people and our allies. the sooner that we stand with israel unambiguously when i try hamas. [applause]

the sooner we start drawing artificial red lines and threatening actions that never come to pass the sooner we stop inviting russia to go into crimea and ukraine and we know they will then be leading from the front and not from behind. now, i could talk to you all evening but i want to close with one final thought. i will talk today about the growth of the federal government and the endangerment of the american dream into this administration is doing is giving it a foreign policy that has led me to ask this one simple question. when viewing the obama administration are we the same the most incompetent administration in our lifetimes? or are we witnessing the most extreme ideological administration in our lifetime? i thought long and hard about this question and the only satisfactory answer that god is support secretary clinton.

what difference does it make? [applause] but i will close with a final thought. my dad was right. we are blessed to live in the greatest country in the history of the world, but it's not inevitably forever so. every generation has to choose for itself as the president reminded us now is our time and that gives me optimism and hope is this the founding fathers got it right. what makes america great or not the buildings in washington, d.c. where these monuments but they trusted the american mother and father and the american family out there creating something out of nothing. we are ready for a hostile takeover and we are going to take the country back.

god bless you and the united states of america. [applause] >> thank you very much. ♪ >> bobby jindal. i asked one of his staff did you think do you think he will run for president and he said i can't say. i said are you saying you can't say or you can't say and he said i can't say. [laughter] i have some important announcements. please don't leave because that hurts my feelings. [laughter] remember the straw poll which is open until seven today and you can vote any time online of course using your code. voting is open until seven tonight and then it will be tomorrow from seven to noon i

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virginia's tenth congressional district stretches from just outside washington, d.c. to the west virginia border. congressman frank wolf is retiring from the district after 34 years in congress. republican state delegate barbara comstock and fairfax county supervisor john foust, democrat, debated this week in leesburg virginia. here's a short look at some of the debate. >> voted against governor mcdonald's transportation plans. it was hailed by some as once in a generation infusion of money for transportation in the state certainly here in the region

where transportation problems are significant a moment ago your opponent referenced it as a game changer. can you explain why you voted against the bill and would you do so again today? comstock: i would not? comstock: i would note that there was bipartisan opposition and i know this was a difficult issue and we did all work together very civilly on it and you know in the business community that i did meet and discuss this with you, but i was concerned about the disproportionate attacks in northern virginia. we got a higher tax than anybody else and there were all kinds of additional taxes that were put on different businesses in northern virginia so i know that it was a tough call, but that was the call that i made. now that that has passed, what we do in virginia unlike in washington and what we need to do instead of the name-calling and the attack, we immediately came together and said how are we now going to make up both work and an important part of the bill coming and we have had previous legislation, was to

focus on the congestion relief and make sure that money goes to congestion relief and not just things like the arlington trolley that is already getting tens of millions of dollars which this is what is going to happen. i was told that that will never happen. now you see it going forward. so, we need to now try to revise that and i will work with all of my state and local colleagues to nick sure the money doesn't go to things like that but comes to places like loud and where we are getting shortchanged on the transportation money and i will fight with you every day to make sure that's why all these business groups who did support the transportation bill still supported me because they know that i'm the person who works to get things done. >> moderator: supervisor foust for one minute. foust: thank you. the transportation bill literally is the game changer. and yet it costs more in northern virginia because we get a whole lot more. my opponent is now apparently

taking credit for that after voting against it and it is -- once they think that she is somehow making this work -- let me tell you that though helps support the dollars and of course they showed up for the ribbon-cutting she did not support the funding for the project. this is the type of thing that you have to look for. are you willing to be there and take on the challenge or are you just wanting to show up after the fact and cut the ribbon and take the credit? that is unacceptable. transportation is too important to play political games with in northern virginia. >> this weekend on c-span a debate between the two candidates seeking to replace iowa senator tom harkin, democrat bruce braley and republican johnny earnst you can watch that sunday at 6 p.m. eastern.

nebraska second congressional district for the republican incumbent terry was with ashford last night. nebraska sent only two democrats to congress in the past 30 years. congressman terry who was first elected in 1998 eight won reelection in 2012 by 2%. in a few moments, the debate from last night but first, some of the campaign ads from the race. >> i'm from allah nebraska. at one point in time our homeless veterans decided to contract with the united states government and said we will go to battle you will get our life if necessary. >> when you talk about homeless veterans and the va hospital and a veterans cemetery to you here lee terry's name, no other senator or congressman's name. lee terry, thank you for caring

about our veterans and giving us an opportunity to serve them. >> i am lee terry and i approve this message. >> my dad flew a p. 26 bomber over france on d-day. he taught me early in life never forget those that serve our nation. i disagreement with congressman terry aren't personal but his votes against veterans sure are. congressman terry shut down the government, defended his own pay while soldiers were on the battlefield and protected congressional perks like taxpayer paid healthcare for life by a cutting veterans care. i am brad ashford and our promises to veterans are personal and why i approve this message. >> lee terry is fighting to keep our neighborhoods safe and strong. he secured grants to strengthen community policing. and he fought for the violence against women act, supported the new laws to crack down on human trafficking and lee terry passed passed the law in power in the neighborhood activist who started the new fm radio station giving voice to the community working to stop street violence.

lee terry, working hard to keep us safe. >> i am lee terry and i approve this message. >> i'm not running for congress to represent any political party. i'm running to make a difference for nebraska. reducing partisanship in washington isn't one easy step, one single day or electing one new member. i'm going to work from day number one to create a collision of 25 members of congress who set aside partisanship and focus on solving problems. just like i've done for 16 years. i am brad ashford and i approve this message. >> brad ashford, working together, changing congress. >> from the campus of the university of nebraska and omaha, the race for the house a debate for nebraska second congressional district, sponsored by the omaha world-herald and produced by un no television. candidates running for the second congressional seat are republican incumbent lee terry, who is 52-years-old and lives in a law. he has been nebraska second congressional district

representative since 1999. he's married and has three children. the democratic challenger is brad ashford who is 64-years-old and lives in omaha. he has been a nebraska state senator from 1987 to 1995 and from 2007 to the present. he is married and has three children. posted moderator for tonight's debate is robin, the senior political reporter with the omaha world-herald. >> moderator: hello and welcome to the debate in the race for congress in the nebraska second congressional district. im robin, senior political reporter at the omaha world herald. i will be your moderator this evening. thank you for joining us. we are coming to you from the university of nebraska in omaha campus. the debate is sponsored by the world herald and the staff and students at unl television. we look forward to a robust exchange of views between the lee terry and the incumbent democratic nominee brad ashford,

nebraska state senator. about the format, we are going to take the order of questions the candidates will get, who will go first in answering the questions and they will each get about 60 seconds to respond. in the middle of the debate the candidates will get to ask each other a question, otherwise i'm going to ask the questions. i also will determine if a follow-up is in order. this response should be no more than 30 seconds. we have a light to keep track of time. when you see the red light on the gentleman, wrap it up. the campaign shows numbers to determine who will begin and end. mr. brad ashford coming you get the first crack at the first quest and you're also going to get the last word in the closing statement. if everybody is ready let's get started. you are both veteran lawmakers. tell us about your single biggest legislative accomplishment. terry: first of all thank you

for being here at moderating this debate and moderating this debate and thanks to unl and the omaha world-herald. it's been a great experience for me to serve in the legislature where we have no ideals. we have no political parties. the most important thing i think for me and my experience over 16 years is to develop how to work together on tough issues. i suppose if i were to pick one thing, the one thing that i think is plaguing nebraska for so many years is the tough issue of juvenile justice and a juvenile crime. over the last three to four years, we in the literature working across party lines unanimously passed major reform of the juvenile justice system. the goal is to keep young people in their homes come in their schools, keep them out of trouble, keep them out of detention when necessary and make this state a better place to live for them. so, i think that would be the number one -- there have been so

many wonderful experiences, but that would be the one that i think of. >> moderator: that's great. mr. lee terry. terry: i want to thank the omaha world-herald for hosting this and be unl staff here at stunning wonderful job in the past with us. and i passed a lot of bills in my time in the united states congress. in fact, currently right now i'm rated number six in the number of bills that are passed into the top 2% have actually -- the bills that i've written and passed have actually had senate cosponsors, in equal equal on the senate side in all of them have been bipartisan and they've taken a vote based on bipartisan. one of my goals for the prosperity of the future of the country is energy independence. independent. so a lot of the bills that we are proud of have to do with energy. making the resource is accessible but also in the world of renewable fuel as well.

the research of the hydrogen vehicles as well as others. >> moderator: so the hydrogen hydrogen to list hydrogen bill was the top just with the compassionate? terry: their brothers like keystone pipeline that have gotten more compassionate. but breaking through the hydrogen barrier to get to the future energy of the world, i think that in the long term that is going to be one of the top those. 20 years from now people will look back at the ability and how it changed the world. >> moderator: thank you. the next question goes to mr. kerry. as veteran lawmakers you don't have to cap difficult vote. tell us about a vote that you regret, what was the vote, why do you regret it and what did you learn from it? terry: that is a good point because you take so many votes and spend the time to research and you call people and get the feedback from the experts in your district.

i think the one vote that you look from sunday morning quarterbacking but my vote on iraq, that is one that probably if we had all of the facts, most of my colleagues and i would have done it differently. no child left behind is certainly not implemented the way that it was written, and frankly we need to change that come and we passed the bill in congress this year to take it back, and to take the burden off of the public school systems. >> moderator: mr. ashford. ashford: i would agree i've had thousands and thousands of bills that i've had an opportunity to vote on and many bills that we vote on of course in our system is a nonpartisan legislature that we have three rounds of debate on every bill and there are plenty of votes that i've taken that maybe i would like to get back.

>> moderator: just one. ashford: that is a tough question. i think maybe the one vote that i would like to take back is lb 1059 and that goes back a number of years. that was a bill that eventually i did vote for the amendment on it years later, the basically what lb 1059 did was it lowered property tax by broadening the tax base for school finance, and had i thought more about it at that time -- that was in 62 or 63 -- 92, 93 species. the -- that they vote i might have done differently. >> moderator: thank you very much. we are going to turn to foreign policy. as you know there is a lot going on in the world. mr. ashford coming you get the first question. the first question if you could keep it kind of short, 15 to 30 seconds. i know, but we are going to go

deeper into the foreign policy as we go. the first question, what criteria should the u.s. use in determining when to risk american lives on foreign soil? ashford: the number one criteria would be the safety and welfare of the citizens of the united states. that's the criteria we use. i do support going on now with the airstrikes in. and iraq and isis in my view clearly is a threat to the people of the united states and building the coalition i think is the appropriate mechanism at this point. >> moderator: thank you mr. ashford. mr. terry? terry: it has to be in the national security interest of our nation. so, if you are under threat of attack, then i think you have to respond. and certainly with isil and the meetings that i have attended, they are a clear threat. >> moderator: thank you.

the next question goes to mr. terry. the war in afghanistan has gone on for 13 years. it has cost the u.s. more than 2200 servicemen and women. and it's a dollar cost could stretch into the hundreds of billions. looking back, do you think a long-running ground war in afghanistan was the right tactic in the war on terror plaques why and why not? terry: was it in our national security interest interest and after 9/11 to remove the taliban and al qaeda that was stationed at working out of afghanistan absolutely it was necessary to go into afghanistan. that has been a long process, but i think that we need to stay, we need to work until afghanistan can stand on their own two legs and defend themselves from the taliban. >> moderator: so you are not for the withdrawal -- terry: i wanted to withdraw two of -- -- team come in one of

the lessons in iraq is that is that when you pull out too fast and create a vacuum because the government isn't ready yet, that vacuum is going to be filled coming into that vacuum in iraq is built by isil command that could happen again in afghanistan if we pull out quickly. >> moderator: mr. ashford i'm going to give you a few more seconds they are. ashford: okay. so, what's amazing to me is the effectiveness of our military in the middle east. and i agree with lee on this. we should maintain our presence in afghanistan until we've made progress on the new government that has just been elected in afghanistan. that has been a plus but we have to act when the terrorism occurred to a great extent because of what was going on in afghanistan before we invaded. i think we need to stay a little longer and i agree that leaving afghanistan or the way that we approached afghanistan after the

invasion did create a vacuum, left a vacuum in iraq and we see the problems with isis today so i think that we need to stay in afghanistan until the democracy is set. >> moderator: thank you very much. i believe this goes to mr. ashford first. some critics critics blamed president obama for the current people in iraq saying he should have kept the soldiers on the ground in the country. do you agree? ashford: hindsight is 20/20. one could say that having left troops on the border with syria we could have maintained some training mission in support of motion on the border with syria theoretically and in and around baghdad and other parts of iraq. that train has left the station at this point and i don't see -- i really don't see us coming

back into iraq with that kind of force now or in the future. >> moderator: mr. terry? terry: i agree that hindsight is 20/20. the reality is the foreign policy is not helping with the establishment of the government and pulling the military out too quickly so they were not trained in when the government started in essence punishing segment of the society then they left to join isil. we should have been much more involved than that to prevent that from happening. if we would have been more active we might not have had isil. i support the president on his strikes and i think that is the right thing to do. we have to do with it is in our national security interest to do that but we have to make sure that this government and military -- they are the ones and the kurds should be as though well and i appreciate the

germans owning. they are good fighters. i think the boots on the ground in iraq should remain iraq he. >> moderator: okay. you did recently vote against arming the syrian rubble. can you explain your position on that? terry: thank you for loving me to do that. i was the only one that voted against that and that was to arm the free syrian army and train them and i have seen too many instances where we trained a group of people and then they turned turn their weapons on us and see re- edits one of those places it is difficult to find just because they are fighting us that doesn't mean they are our friends and so i worry they would turn on the united states when they would get a chance and the chance and we would have trained them to do that. >> moderator: do you agree? ashford: it is impossible for me to know about the vote because i wasn't briefed and i

don't know about the intricacies of that but what i do believe -- and i don't understand this, how congress could have left washington after four days coming back from summer vacation and had a vote on training this year even moderate rebels without a thorough discussion and debate about where that was going to go and i think those questions need to be asked and the authority needs to be debated. i would say stay in washington at least a couple of days. there's only four days of congressional meetings after the summer recess. i think it should have been thoroughly debated over the weekend after that vote. >> moderator:, db2 terry coming you get a chance to respond. terry: the process was that

the congress asked to make the authority and he wanted it in a continuing resolution and we had a deadline because of the continuing resolution. that's the answer. ashford: the american public deserves to understand not only that but the further appropriations that will be required before the incursion of the invasion of iraq or do we need a new resolution that could have been designated debate at the time. >> moderator: i think we will move on if that is okay. we are going to talk a little bit about jobs and the economy. mr. terry, i think you are up first. years ago, america emerged from the recession that the wages continues to stagnate and in many cases they are not keeping up with inflation. what would you propose the congress do to boost family income? terry: first we have to continue to expand our economy,

and there's a lot of things we should be doing to make sure that our economy is growing. jobs create pressure on wages. in fact i'm seeing wages in our metropolitan area going up, so there's open manufacturing jobs right now that are $20 per hour, where maybe a couple of years ago they would have been far less than that. but in order to expand our economy, we've got to reform our tax code and use the energy resources that we have so that we don't have to spend the money to bring it in from foreign countries that don't like us. we need to teach the skills that are necessary. .. we need to unleash

the economy. we have been in congress for 14 years. we have not had corporate tax reform in 14 years. we have to bring the $2 trillion dollars that is located outside of the united states. it is lodged outside of the united states. bring it back to america. get our country moving again. >> do you want to comment on the corporate tax reform in

>> yeah. as a matter of fact, it has to be reformed and that is one of my goals in congress. we had our president talking about making the corporate tax code flatter and simpler. the rest of the world has gone this way. we have an old code for a different time and it has to be modernized and we need the president and senate to get engaged. the ways and means community drafted a flatter bill and harry reid said they will never take it up. >> i think we will move on. mr. ashford i think it is your question. do you think the growing income in inequality is a problem and if so, what if anything should the federal government do about it? >> the gdp has increased by 40 %

and the median income has increased by less than 8%. there is a gap. we need to push equal pay for equal work for women.

you are a single mother and struggling we want to make sure

you have the skills necessary to earn $20 an hour and those jobs are open in omaha, nebraska. >> same question to you. minimum wage. it is on the ballot. yes or no? >> if we have demand on jobs they will go up higher and naturally higher than $10. >> how will you vote? >> i am not going to support that because i think we can do a better job of providing skills necessary for them to earn a much larger pay than what the minimum wage would bring. and my son, who was a baker at bakers as a 16-year-old, he is kind of hoping it goes up. >> thank you very much. brad, did you want to add? >> i think 70% of americans on minimum wage are women. a lot are single mothers. and yes they want to earn $20

and that is correct. we need to have job training and vocational training but we are talking about people trying to get off welfare and need to get paid a fair wage. >> 4% of them earning hourly wages are earning minimum wage. >> the next question is on social security. they are capped at $17,000 and some say it is time to scrap that and tack higher income levels or get rid of it all together. would you support this? if not, how would you shore up social security? >> we have to deal with that issue. there is no doubt about it. but social security is a social

promise. we need to make sure the seniors know they are going to be kept hold. by 2040, as the social security administration says, if we do nothing, robin, then there will be a 25% automatic reduction of everyone's benefits and we have to stop that. my goal here is to put everything on the table. so yes, increase the cap. increase the age. we should be looking at every solutions and the solutions is going to be republicans and democrats working together and holding hands together and coming up with the solution. each side is going to have to give on something and accept something else the other side wants to get this fixed. so far only the republican side of the aisle has been willing to move in some direction. >> just to recap, you would raise the cap and retirement age? >> i think everything should be on the table and negotiate those. >> mr. ashford?

>> here is the problem. if congress does nothing, by 2040 you are right, i mean the two trust funds will be less. that is the problem: congress does nothing. the only thing we get out of congress is a proposal to priveatize social security and that makes no sense to me. i agree with lee. we need to work together and find a solution. we just raised the retirement age to 67. i don't see that as a viable option but we do have to look at all of the options but we to take prioritizeing it off the table. we don't pass anything in congress. >> do you think, mr. terry,

support of privitization? >> there was a vote in the budget to privatize social security. there is nothing on the table. >> okay. >> during the bush administration -- >> president bush did tout that. >> you said take it off the table. it hasn't been on the table for eight years. >> it was on the table during the bush administration and you got behind it. whether you did or didn't, maybe you didn't, i am saying it should be off the table. >> you are telling people it is on the table. if the democrats would come to the table on this we could get it fixed >> gentlemen. >> that is the problem. we have to get rid of the animosity and stick together. >> you started with the

privatizing. >> would you consider raising the cap? >> i think it has to be on the table. i don't think raising the retirement age is necessary. we just raised it. i agree it has to be done in a bipartisan manner and that is fine. but, no, i don't think raising the retirement age at this point is necessary. i think we can take the two trust funds and this is the b bedrock of the social system and that is retirees having social security. so that is what i would recommend. >> i think we are going to move to the portion of the debate where you two get to ask each other a question. mr. terry, you get to go feminist. >> brad, i am curious about an

area you are certained about and that is coddling prisoners. you refuse to let new prisons be built, and you sponsor the good time law and that takes what the court sentences and cuts it in half and you fought the governor on the bills he supported that would reform good time which is now half time. and one of the reforms was you have to earn your good time and you fought the governor on that and you refused to let it come out of your committee. why don't you want reform to good times and why would you do that when violent criminals are being released. >> thanks, lee, for the question. 20 months ago the department of correction came to us and said we are 140% of capacity. the law provides when we get to

140% capacity in corrections the governor may call an emergency. he did not call it. we took the issue and reformed the prison sentenced. we had no no votes on the massive reform. we did that following a significant reform in the juvenile justice system. the department of corrections didn't follow the good time law in effect so what they were doing was putting them in administration segregation and not adding on additiadditional . the department of corrections didn't follow the law. we are not coddling prisoners when we increase penalties for sex offenders, gun crimes and that resulted in a number of new

inmates in the prison system. >> mr. terry, would you like to comment? >> the reality is there are two issues. one is with the miscalculation. and the bill you passed cut every sentence in half without having to earn that. >> no, it didn't. >> there is two issues here, brad. and that was some of the reforms the government wanted and the bill i referred to it never passed out the committee. >> we have seven different good times laws that have been past over the years. the governor asked for a more leanant law seven years ago to help with prison crowding. every judge, and you know this,

every judge -- all of the district judges, know what minimum and maximum sentences are. they can make them as harsh as they want. it was used in the prison sentence not by the department of corrections. >> okay. mr. ashford. i apologize. mr. ashford, it is time for you to ask mr. terry a question. >> lee, we had a discussion about wages and the middle class and it still today women's salaries, what they earn, is not equal to mens. and in 2010, or at least 2009 the lilly ledbetter fair pay act passed the house and you voted

no. in 2013, the paycheck fairness act, which would have eliminated the discrimination against women, failed and you voted no. how do you justify those votes? >> first of all, i want women to make fair wages. we have a constitution and a nebraska legislation that requires this. so if there is someone who is receiving less wages for the exact same job they have a legal route to go through, both the courts and the administrative way through the government. so the remedies already exist. the lilly ledbetter fair pay act was to take the statue of limitations off and you know there is reasons because we are lawyers and graduates of

creighton law school. there is a reason you don't do a civil case 20 years later and that is what that bill was trying to do. the paycheck fairness act was another act dub tailed into a democratic motion that was a procedurer one and we voted against it. >> when you are an employee and the victim of discrimination of your pay, if you are a woman and paid less than someone working next to you, it is unlikely if you need that job to feed your family, it is unlikely during the course of employment you are going to threaten yourself with a lawsuit. all of this does is after the final paycheck is received they have 180 days to file suit. i don't think that is

unreasonable. >> i think you misunderstood that. there is time when you discover the point and it wasn't 120 days after the last paycheck. she learned about this years later and they wanted to remove the typical civil case, statue of limitations or repose, on that. if it was 120 days there wouldn't have been an issue on this. >> i think we are going to move on to health care. i believe it is mr. ashford. you are up next. you were on record supporting only some of the provisions in the health care law including the requirement that insurance companies cannot deny coverage for a preexisting condition but you oppose the mandates in the law that pay for many of the poplar provisions in the bill. how can you get the provisions without the mandates? >> first of all, the affordable

care act has passed and i would not have voted for it. it wasn't a bipartisan bill. it was to be big to have it just go through with just democrats and not republicans. so having said that, i don't support the employer mandate because employers have a tax benefit for providing insurance already, they have the employees who receive the insurance who are not paying taxes on the income and frankly, i agree employers might make a full-time employee a part-time employee and it isn't worth it. there are $150 millions covered by insurance. as far as other mandates, what bothers we about the tax if you don't pay the premium as an individual, i think more needs to be done on that and there were amendments in the senate before the bill passed that would have triggered relief for

policy owners when the pre-news goes up. i do support pre-existing coverage. >> thank you. the one thing i want to bureau into this is a lot of folks say you cannot have the preexisting without the mandate because if i am not required to have insurance i am going to wait until i am sick to get the coverage if the company is required to take me on. >> i don't think you need an employer mandate because you have the exchanges and that is where people are buying the plans on. prior to the senate bill being passed, before it went to the house, there were efforts made to if a premium, you have to buy insurance and you pay a tax.

if the premium goes up, there is a trigger mechanisms in place. i think there is plenty of money in the system to provide the insurance for pre-existing conditions. it is 17% of the economy. i don't think that one prohibits the other. >> thank you very much. mr. terry, you believe the affordable care act needs to be repealed. what would you tell those people who are now able to afford health care because of the new law or those people with pre-existing conditions who are able to purchase health care because of the law. >> i do think it was a horrible law and caused a lot of damage to the economy. i have met people who have gotten advantages from that but far more come up with the high

cost of care and businesses changing from full-time to part-time or if they don't get relief they might go out of business. doctors especially. i don't know how many times i have met with doctors. it has changed the way i work with the patient and the doctor-patient relationship. anything that is replaced will be replaced immediately. and pre-existing, i will admit, if republicans would have taken the pre-existing issue and worked with it instead of thinking the states are going to do it with their high cost funds we would not have this bill today. pre-existing will be part of any replacement bill. >> picture yourself sitting there with somebody who can not afford health care because of the law what would you tell them? >> well, that they are going to have health care.

if they are low-income they will have medicare but they may have a better policy with what we are able to give them. and there will maybe be some types of rebates that will be allowed to make sure the next level had access. but the reality is the way obamacare is done now it is driving up the cost of them. brad and i don't need maternity care but we are paying for it. there are thousands of those types of things driving up the cost. >> mr. terry, thank you. i have to be stricter here. you are running over. >> can i just -- >> quickly. >> lee, my point is there are lots of things that can be done but voting to repeal it 56 times instead of solving the problem is where i have the issue. i think we need to solve it.

we need to get it done now. we need to have certainty in the system and the way to do that is to work across the aisle and find a way to fix it and not wait four years to do it. >> the 56 times, i think 3-4 were repealed, the other number you are trying to talk about was make changes. like instead of 30 hours you move it back to 40 because that is one thing causing employers to force people to part-time. the other 50 are those types of corrections. >> okay. let's move on here. i think this one goes to mr. ashford. let's step back a little bit from this whole debate about affordable care act. the key reason the law was passed was to provide coverage for uninsured americans. do you think it is the federal government's job to make sure

all-americans have access to affordable care act? >> yes. >> mr. terry? >> is it a right? it is something we should do. absolutely. there is a variety of ways we could have worked within the system without reshuffling all of the chairs on the titanic. i like the medical home that reduces the cost of the patient. >> we will wrap up and head to the next question. mr. terry, it is your question. i am having trouble this evening calling you mr. terry and mr. ashford. i apologize. gallop polls suggest that trust in government has never been lower. even lower than watergate. what can congress do to regain the trust? >> i think you gain the trust by showing you can get together and work on the major issues that have to be done. every bill i introduced and

worked on, i worked with the democrats from the beginning. that is why a couple years ago i was named one of the top-10 republicans to work with. my leadership style is bringing everyone in at the beginning and working with the issues. one of the most liberal members of congress is my ranking member on the subcommittee and we worked together and came to an agreement that got to the president's desk and was signed in a law >> the question has to do with trust and people loosing trust in the government. how would you regain that trust? >> i am as equally frustrated as they are. it is so frustrating to change the bill, for example, where obama requires 30 hours instead of 40. but we have a dysfunctional

entity not allowing that bill to go through the sentate. >> mr. ashford? >> two wrongs don't make a right. aca should have been a bipartisan effort and taken a little longer and the people would have had trust in the resolution of that had that occurred. but we needed to get back to fix it and we have not fixed and four years has gone by and trusting the government has eroded because of that and other things. what i see happening is an intense partisan divide in the congress and that is what i hear people saying to me. i don't think it was that way. i don't think it was that when tip o'neill and johnson signed to civil rights act. i think things have gotten worse. i don't know the reason. maybe it is citizen's united or

whatever. but i think members of congress need to work hard to cross the bridge and put solutions over party. that is what has to happen again. i am not saying it capt can't but the trust is gone because of the polarization in my view. >> we will move on to immigration now. mr. ashford, you are up. at the heart of the immigration debate is how to deal with the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living in the country. we know both of you think more work needs to be done to secure the border but after that do you support the pathway to citizenship? if so, why? >> the state of nebraska has had to pay for freight for the lack of action by congress. we have to pay the cost of foster care and passed bills that are state responsibilities.

the immigration system is a federal constitutional system that has to be amended or reformed by congress. every time we get to a debate is it is all about the border. i think we should take the senate bill that is passed in a bipartisan manner by the senate. republicans and democrats alike pass the bill. it provides more money for border security. >> did it have a pathway to citizenship? >> it had criteria that had to be met before obtaining and talked about legal status and defined what legal status was whether it was a young person or adult and how they got here. speaker boehner won't but it up for a vote and we are getting killed in nebraska because the congress will not act on the bill. so yes, there would be citizenship is in the senate bill but it is a 13-year

provisional residency, work permits and visas. i am not saying that has to be the end result but there needs to be a debate on the house floor >> mr. terry, you get a few seconds on this. >> well, first of all, i don't like the senate bill and i don't like the absolute reward of citizenship/pathway to citizenship. but there is no -- so -- much we agree on but the senate says unless there is a pathway to citizenship they will not discuss anything. we agree on security and employers checking to see if they are here and we know repairs to the system has to be made because even legal

immigration, which i support and we need, including keeping the s.t.e.m. college-educated people here, these are things we agree on. why don't we get together and pass what we can agree on? >> mr. ashford raises questions about the compromise being instead of full citizenship maybe a legal status where they could stay here without full t citiz citizenship. >> i think that should be on the table. that would be a guess worker statute. if you have been here and not committed any crimes there maybe a different way to deal with you. >> mr. ashford, i will give you a few seconds >> we have dealt with immigration across party lines

and passed bills on it. if a guest were -- what i would like to see is let's deal with the children first. those who came as babies, went to high school and going to college in nebraska and hopefully they will become part of our economy. let's at least give them a pathway to citizenship first. let's get it on the table at least. lee, it hasn't been up for a debate and i think your points could be debated but let's debate it. >> gentlemen, we are going to turn to the quick question portion of the debate. >> that is a relief probably. >> we are not asking a yes or no question but we are asking you keep it in a 30 second range. and i believe i will go with mr. terry. do you think the keystone xl

pipeline will be built? >> it needs to be build. it is important to our national energy security, it is important to our economy, it creates jobs here in nebraska, but i don't think it is going to be built until we change presidents a. >> after that will it be built? >> i think it will be. >> what do you think? >> i think it will be. we took this up in special session and approved a process for the pipeline. environmental concerns were met. lb1 in the special session. and once the process is completed on the federal side i think it will be approved and built. >> mr. ashford, what nation do you think poses the biggest long term threat to the united states? >> iran. >> why? >> israel is our strongest ally

in the middle east and have been since 1948. we have been embroiled in conflict in iraq and afghanistan for legitimate reasons because of the taliban and so forth. but i do think to some extent the two-state solution that they have been trying to work out has been retarded because of the american focus. are we off the clock? i think iran is the number one. >> i kind of -- i asked the follow-up so i will take that one. what nation do you think poses a threat? >> absolutely it is iran. now, i think they are deceptive and enriching and that is scary.

>> mr. terry, did you believe climate change is manmade? >> i believe we have an impact on our environment. that is why i drive a hybrid and i want to lessen my impact on the environment. i believe we are in a period of climate change as the earth always is in a flux. but i believe we have a right to reduce our impact. >> so you believe? >> i believe we are responsible for some of it. >> mr. ashford, did you believe climate change is manmade? >> yes. >> we are moving on to, it is mr. ashford, do you support president obama's decision to send 3,000 soldiers to west africa to fight ebola? >> that is a tough one. i think -- when i first heard

about it, my reaction was the african union should be primarily responsible for security and for keeping track of what is going on. and sending medical help is what i would support and the african union providing the security. that would be my initially reaction. >> i think the ebola crisis is real and we have to support it so i absolutely support the 3,000 troops sent to build facilities. >> name your favorite member of congress. >> john dingle is my favorite and he is retiring. he is from the detroit area. we don't always agree because he is on the other side of the aisle.

but i love how he works with everybody -- republican or democrat. i am working with him on a data security bill and he is such a baste of knowledge and a decent guy. >> name of congressman, past or present, that you admire. >> without question it is tip o'neill. i always admired ronald reagan because of his ability to communicate and o'neill had the ability to work with president reagan and do amazing things. that is gone. that whole way of doing business is gone. so i guess one of my hopes is should i be so lucky to be elected is hopefully go back to those days when tip o'neill and ronald reagan made things happen in the congress. >> it is time for closing statements now. prior to the debate and after

drawing cards it was determined mr. terry would go first. >> i think the reason i am running for congress is i want to secure the future for our children and grandchildren. we need to do basic things do that. make sure the economy is stable and we remain competitive. also, realize we have an asset with our energy and need to be internally energy independent. our tax code is next. we solve the inversion problems and don't have to worry about head quarter said going overseas. my opponent has raised taxes 12 times. we need to teach the skills necessary so that people earn good middle income wages. the other is rules and

regulations and in my hearings i hear about the stifling rules on small businesses and gallop even says there is less start-ups than shutdowns in the first time in american history and we have to deal with our debt obviously. i have been hit by my opponent for voting for the republican budget and not the democrat budget. but we are the only budget that said we will balance the budget within ten years. i went there to make sure we had a balanced budget amendment and i am still working for that. but at least i am going to detroit a budget that is going to -- vote -- to get us there. >> thanks, robin. this has been fun and thanks to you and the world herald and thank you lee for this discussion. i am running for congress because i believe congress has failed the american public. it is so divisive and polarized

we cannot make decisions on tough issues. we cannot decide the immigration issue, we cannot fix the health care bill, we don't have an environmental policy and we talk about individual parts but we need an energy policy. it is time get back to o'neill and we need a change. it is time to do things the way they were done 25 years ago. here are my promises. number one, i will never ever vote to shutdown the government. i will never asked to be paid, if and when the government is shutdown. and the day i get elected to congress, i will find 25 friends, this is my pledge and we will pick priorities, make change and decide real issues. we will pledge that politics has

to take a back-seat to solutions. that is why i am running and i respect your vote. thank you, robin. >> that will have to be the last words. thanks to our sponsors, the world herald, uno, and the viewers for turning in. look for analysis of the debate in the herald. it will be available in the coming days. we encourage all of you to vote in the november 4th election. the issues matter and so does your involvement. good night. the ongoing airstrikes on the

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journ journalism in the state. here i. >> welcome to the gubernatorial debate. i am matt mcdonald the ang -- anchor at news channel 1 and i will be your moderator. we have john kitzhaber, a democrat seeking his 4th term as governor. first elected in '94, '98 and

2010. his republican challengers dennis richardson served in the oregon house and he is a retired business owner and vietnam veteran. both candidates agreed to a set form for the debate. each candidate has two minutes forop foropic -- for opening remarks and three minutes for a closing remark. the questions have been submitted and vetted. you get one minute to answer and a 30 second rebuttal. the order for opening remarks as well as questions has been set. at this time, representative richardson you have two minutes for your opening remarks. >> i am dennis richardson.

i am the republican and independent candidate for republican governor. i am the son of a carpenter who taught me how to work hard. i learned from president kennedy about the importance of military service so when i was old enough i joined the army and flew helicopters in vietnam. after returning them, i was lost and met kathy who helped me find new purpose. she is here with me today and after 41 years of marriage we continue to grow closer every year. we have one son and eight daughters so we know how to keep at it and work through hard times. i served on the city council and was elected in 2002 to become a representative leader.

i was nominated by the republicans and democrats to be the speaker protim and then i worked across the aisle balancing the budget in difficult times without raising taxes. i am hear today to ask for you to give me the opportunity to serve as oregon's next government. this isn't about republican versus democrat but the past versus future. the government served through terms of high unemployment, low school achievement and continuing distrust in the state government because of the radical abuse of your federal and state funds in the greater oregon and columbia river crossing debacle. we deserve a government who will

restore the economy, education and trust in the people. >> governor kitzhaber two minutes for opening remarks. >> thank you for sponsoring this debate. my career is built around one belief: we all want the same thing. we want to meet our basic needs of ourselves and family, strive for potential, hard work to be warded and leave the world a better place for kids. there are two ways. one is leaving people on their own and if you make it great. the other belief is based on the assumption we are all in this together and there are things we can do as a community, state and state to lift us up and i mean all of us. i believe in the second view and fought for it my entire life. as an er doctor, legislature,

governor and every day as a father. that is why i ran in 2010 and running again now. remember the dire straights we were in four years ago. polarized state, high unemployment, big budget deficit. the things most people thought it would be similar to wisconsin. i saw an opportunity to reach congress the divide and take the problems seriously that face us and that is what we did and have been doing. in 2001 we erased the budget deficit with bipartisan sport. a year ago we had a special session as the government was shutting down to raise revenue for schools and small business relief. and i negotiated a stand down in business earlier this year. we have tackled tough problems

in the last four years and did it together. i am looking forward to a serious discussion on the serious problems that face us and how we will achieve them. >> we will move on to questions and being a news guys i like to follow the things happening in the moment. over the past week, the secretary of state's office said it will be fining the richardson campaign for missing two deadlines for reporting contributions. a story came out that the kitzhaber is phasing accusations and not reported the work of an a political consultant. the question is how will you assure us your administration will operate in an ethical manner? >> i have a long career of acting ethical and never had

charges filled except during the campaign. we are reported others in accordance to rule and that will be available on september 30th. i think in this day and age with the level of media scrutiny that is brought to anyone in public office, we are transparent. i have a long career of transparency and i am more than happy to discuss that at any time or any place >> thank you, governor. representative richardson, i will repeat that. how will you ensure us your administration will operate in an ethical manner? >> the secretary of state's office has challenged us because we are living in portland with a friend and they had we didn't say that on the friend giving contribution. they don't charge rent but we want to comply with that because we want to com ply with the law.

but this is outrageous. a woman working with the government, giving him counseling and advise about the columbia river bridge project and at the same time she is getting $554,000 worth of pay from the primary contractor on the contract. can you imagine advising the governor while being in relationship with the contractor but he never dug a shovel of dirt on the bridge. >> do you want to respond? >> when patricia shows up things happen. she is attacked for that. she is a powerful women and has been a valued friend and we will

continue to seek her advice when appropriate. >> representative richardson, lawsuits, technical failures and losses on the line. how will you and the cover oregon ensure the state doesn't have similar problems on future it projects? >> thank you for asking this. cover oregon is the case study in fraud waste and abuse. we wasted $300 million on a website project and the governor says we signed up all of these people on the website but most of them would have been signed up under medicaid anyway. he is saying we provide this coverage but we have almost a hundred thousand individuals who have to be reenrolled by the federal government. that is a waste of time, effort and money. the way you avoid that is by being connected.

the governor was in learning about other things and we were in session trying to learn about cover oregon. stop this by having a governor who pays attention and shows up. >> one minute for you. governor kitzhaber how wild you end the debacle and make sure they have -- don't have similar problems? >> we have implemented steps for this. we have something that will assign responsibility from the very beginning. the second is a stage gate process where each project has to go through a stage gauge where we look at its progress and it can't get the next round of funding until it clears that

step. we have instuted it throughout the state. we have only 5% of residents without health insurance and the remaining functions will be moved to a state agency to ensure countable. >> representative richersond you have 30 seconds. >> it is great to keep your eye on the ball but we need to keep our eye on the money. we have 300,000 wasted on this. the governor was involved in the department of motor vehicle fiasco where we lost millions and now we are loosing over 300 milli million. the way you solve this is we have leadership that will pay attention and see that we do not

have projects that are just started and then continued without oversight. >> thank you. question three. governor kitzhaber we will begin with you. recreational marijuana became legal in washington and colorado and it is on the ballot in oregon. if pot is legalized here in oregon, do you favor individual communities having the right to ban marijuana-related businesses? >> you know, i think we need a state-wide policy on marijuana. i don't support the ballot measure and not because i have anything against marijuana. i am concerned we don't know enough or have the public safety, law enforce. and educational framework for it work. it seems like we should wait a couple sense and learn from colorado and washington's experience. it is difficult to do that once it passed.

the time to have a discussion about local preemption is before the bill passes. i think it is coming. it inevitable and i think we can serve the people by taking the time to put a responsible framework in place. >> representative richardson, if pat is legalized in marijuana do you favor regions having the right to ban the substance? >> i believe the best government is that closest to the people. i see no reason why a state should determine if a local community should have pot. i think local is the way to approach it. i agree we should delay, if we could, implementing the law in oregon, until we see what takes place in washington and colorado. we can learn from their mistakes and successes and that would

make for a better program. but regardless, once the voters speak, i will take the oath to support the will of the people and make sure that happens. the governor takes the oath to honor, obey and enforce the constitution of the people. our governor isn't doing that with capital punishment and when it comes to this law i will see it is done. >> governor kitzhaber, you have 30 seconds to respond. >> we will stick with it there. representative richardson, what would you do differently immediately to improve high school graduation rates in the state and be specific. >> oregon's education system is the second to last in graduation rates and we have the second highest rate of absentee

students. we will not bring in another rudy crude to waste time and another year in the lives of students. first, we need to ensure education is funded 1st. it is too often a political football in the budget process and the kids are suffering. we should fund education first. we should use common sense and not just common core. we don't need to have the federal government and bureaucrats telling us what is bes. we need local control, listen to the parents and teachers because they know what is best for the students. we need to make sure we have common sense in the schools and our teachers are allowed to teach. >> representative, thank you. governor kitzhaber, came question to you. what would you do differently to

improve education in the state? >> we started four years ago. it will not happen overnight. we viewed kids as non-existent until kindergarten and were loosing a lot of them. we have kindergarten readiness and third grade reading levels. and redirecting the kids to technical education, computer science and giving them the ability to be pulled through school rather than being pushed true. funding the schools first is begging the system that you are funding. it will leave out the ability to leave out the services that kids need to be successful at home and in the classroom. ...

all of our students and not just those that are heading to college. >> moderator: we will move onto on to our next question. governor kitzhaber oregon's minimum wage will be $9.25 an hour. in your view should it be higher or the same and wife or stay the shame -- this day the same and why? kitzhaber: this has been a core value of oregon for over a century. i do believe the minimum wage

which is something that the other states do not have. we need to focus on effective minimum wage is supposed to be an entry wage. we should not just looking at how we are going to be able to raise the minimum wage, what we need are more jobs. family wage paying jobs in our state and that requires us to focus on those things, the barriers that prevent us from having good jobs in oregon. i want very much for us to expand our gross domestic product because when there is greater demand for products and services that create more desire for those products and that creates jobs. minimum wages and entry-level wage. we need to provide more jobs that will allow people to raise their families and pay their mortgages and have a future here in oregon. >> moderator: governor kitzhaber you have a couple minutes to respond.

kitzhaber: we have the fastest growing economy. people tracked minimum wage job with no way up in a way out. no one can live on minimum wage. try to take your family on 18 or $19,000 a year and it's impossible to do. we care about each other and care about the future we will pay people in the state a wage that allows them to take care of themselves and their families. >> moderator: governor kitzhaber thank you. representative richardson i want to ask a clarification on that question. the question was in 2015 oregon's minimum wage would be $9.25 and already talked about that being entry-level wage. could you tell me if you think it should be higher or stay the same in 2015? kitzhaber: i think the minimum wage should stay within the same program we have now because it's indexed but what we need to do is not focus on minimum wage would focus on wages so people can get beyond minimum wage and that takes a vibrant economy and in the three terms are and have it. the unemployment has been higher

than the national average for 18 years. that's unacceptable. >> moderator: thank you. representative richardson the next question would begin with you. in 2013 the legislature made changes that are currently under judicial review however the potential unfunded liability remains insignificant. do you think additional reforms are necessary and what specific reforms would you make? richardson: is one of those issues that keeps coming back in right now we are waiting to see what the supreme court does with the most recent reforms and by the way those reforms contrary to popular belief did not solve the first problem. lowered the increase. we need to determine what is contractual and what is the decision of the legislature. not everything the legislature does as part of the employee contract. it's going to take the supreme court to make that determination. we need to maintain the contract so our civil servants can't solve, live their lives and count on having a funded

retirement plan. to do that though we need to solve once and for all what is contractual, what isn't, make the reforms if it's not contractural and honor the contract we have two retirees and dedicated public servants. >> moderator: thank you. governor kitzhaber were repeated question. do you think additional pers reforms are necessary and what reforms would you make? richardson: the answer to the question is no. you need to remember these benefits were trained by these people and often they were accepted in lieu of pay increases however because of the market crash and the loss in the fund the cost of the unfunded liability is taking dollars out of the classroom so i led our state into a special session rather difficult to do with some of my party and address the issue in a fair and responsible way. i believe we have a strong case to win at the supreme court and i think we have made a big dent in the unfunded liability and we need to move onto other things like raising the minimum wage,

like ensuring we reduce income inequality in the state. we have hard-working public employees. they have done their share. they have taken a reduction in the pers system and now time to move onto other issues. >> moderator: representative richardson you have 30 seconds respond. richardson: women talk about the pers crisis that continues to be a plague to our state that what isn't discussed is the problems with pers came about during john kitzhaber's term as a present of the son of the legislature. he created the problem and now we are left to try to solve it. we should have had it to begin with but now we are stuck with it and we don't need four more years of excuses and blame. >> moderator: governor kitzhaber we will begin with you. what are the fundamental problems with oregon's tax structure in this governor what would you change? kitzhaber: the fundamental problem with the tax structure is narrow and relies on personal income taxes. i have in the past put forward a

consumption tax. the question is if you can't add that link what can we do within the tax structure to make it more rational and there are two things. on the bottom and i referred to earlier fix the benefit cliff so when people get more money in their paycheck they get more money in their pocket to spend on the economy to take care of themselves and their families. the top and we know most of our job growth comes from small business that are growing rapidly. currently many those small businesses when they get big enough to have a liquidity event they essentially leave the state so it targeted capital gains tax reduction in the state of oregon would be the second part of a reform package are whispered. >> moderator: governor thank you. representative richardson wanted to fundamental tax structures and this governor what would you change? richardson: one of the fundamental problems with the tax structure is there is never enough money. with government you have an addict and the drug of choice is money. when you have to cycle at them and bust bust and recession in improving the economy we always

spend everything we have got and then let me have the inevitable reduction in recession, there's never enough money so and up having to lay off teachers and cut schooldays. when it comes to our tax structure we have what we have and there's not going to be a change in that until the people decide to do that. we can look at other states and see what works and what doesn't work. we can learn from experiences of those states that have a growing and vibrant economy because they have incentives to attract business and attract growth. right now what we have is barriers and attack structure which has a negative impact on growth and so we have high unemployment and low development of innovators and entrepreneurs and inventors in our state. >> moderator: governor kitzhaber would you like 30 seconds to respond? kitzhaber: i'm not sure what his answer is that i would add because of the changes we have made to medicaid 1 million people are on the care model growing much less then average.

we will have cut general fund expenditures by $4 billion. we will have eliminated the structural budget deficit we have had since measure five so that's a part of tax reform. basically there's two sides of the equation. how you race in how you spend it and we will adjust the those. >> moderator: we will return to the topic of health care and i won't say the words cover organ in this question. representative richardson? representative richardson we will start you with you. a shortage of primary care physicians providing care to patients at oregon and not just in remote communities. how can we reverse the trend and increase the number of general practitioners in our state? richardson: we are going to have to change the model not nearly getting more practitioners. what we need to do is turn to a team approach where you have doctors working at the top of their license and then you have

nurse practitioners and you have physicians assistants and you have those that are willing to make contact with good people skills and they follow chronically ill patients to make sure they are doing their meds, that they are doing blood tests and they don't keep showing up in emergency rooms. unless we change the way we do business in medicine we are not going to change the outcomes that we have. in addition we need to have the incentives for to be consumers. right now when you are a patient you go in and it's like going to have a menu in a restaurant and there's no prices. yeah i think i will take steak and lobster. we need to come up with a system and either plan how we can do this there's an incentive for the patients to ask the question as to why i need to have this mri, white is its $450 here in $1200 across town and what about prescription drugs? i cost or generic? we need to have incentives for the patience patients to be involved in their own care. >> moderator: governor kitzhaber

i will repeat that again. how can reverse the trend, referring to a lack of primary care physicians an increasing number of general practitioners in our state? kitzhaber: i would agree with the representatives analysis. care organizations in which a million people enrolled out of the state of 4 million people. we are using a team approach with a physician at the top doing what he or she can only do because of their training. physicians assistants and nurse practitioners focusing on chronic conditions and where they asthma during the costs are and that -- this model is not only reducing cost of positive health outcomes for people in state of oregon we intend to move this not only to the private sector which could be a game-changer for businesses in the state if their health care costs weren't going of three or 4% it creates massive investments in human resources and plant equipment. this is a huge success story and

we are leading the nation in redefining and changing our model for delivering health care. >> moderator: would you like 30 seconds to respond representative richardson? richardson: to continue this joint discussion because we are in agreement on how to approach this. we need to make sure the community care model does what it's intended to do and it's not just how you spend money differently and act like a managed care organization to work with individuals help them to see the importance of changing lifestyles. we can help people lessen their smoking, lessen the obesity problems, lessen their dependence on drugs we can help them not only have a better life but also have lower expenses that will help the whole system. >> moderator: it's refreshing to see some agreement here during campaign season. governor kitzhaber we will start with you. senator senator ron wyden a sponsored bill to double the timber harvest in forestland in oregon. some groups would say would allow too much logging and

others will say not enough. where do you stand? kitzhaber: probably right in between them. everyone will be upset but this bill. i have been in a conference call at this senator and representative ociio last week. there is a pathway here to allow responsible increase in harvest on those onc lands that still provides a significant conservation lists. it's not impossible. the issues really are not the word fee as much to me is the certainty that whatever the board has arrived that you can count on and we bring some revenue to the counties that they can also count on. this isn't about letting the endangered species act and rolling back environment laws. it's about as scarce as can we do a better job running a pathway to get more value off of that specific 2 million acres of land in southwest oregon is certainly needs it and managed in a way that dramatically improves the conservation value

and again we can get from those resources. >> moderator: governor thank you. representative richardson this about senator ron wyden's bill to double timber -- in southern oregon. where do you stand on it's being enough or too much harvest of our forestland? richardson: at the bill is flawed because it doesn't do the certainty that the timber industry needs. we have lost over 100 mails in recent decades and what do we have to show for it? promises, discussion and occasional payments from the federal government. what we need is to be able to count on there being certain timber that can be utilized by our mills. oregon is a natural resource they stayed in yet and arra communities especially we have been languishing in depression that's because we can't utilize the timber. but we need is a governor who will be back in washington d.c. who will lead a delegation of other western governors and bring our case to not only the congress and the president of the national media to show that

we cannot allow citizens, americans in oregon to be languishing in poverty and in depression when there are other americans that don't know about it in the east. we are all americans. we need a governor who will bring this to the people and not settle for just more talk by senators are our representatives. >> moderator: governor kitzhaber 30 seconds to respond. kitzhaber: we are doing a lot of those things in oregon. there's a tenured stewardship agreement in timber supply that is cap the last smell and has fed the cascade mill in the grand which is adding jobs. there are creative things we can do to find that middle ground that improves the economy improves the health of the forest and keeps people back to work in the woods. we have done it in eastern oregon. we save the last smell in your district by finding a creative way to get his timber supply and we will lean on that issue and we will make it work.

>> moderator: representative richardson should undocumented immigrants have driving privileges in oregon as allowed under ballot measure 88 and why? richardson: this is a very sensitive question because it affects lives and decisions that are made, it really does have an impact on families and their ability to have transportation. i take it very seriously. i think it's a mistake though for us to grant those driving privileges because we can learn from the experiences of other jurisdiction. tennessee had kind of a program and a repeal that because they had busloads of the illegal residents coming to tennessee so they could get that government card. in new mexico governor susanna martinez said that she had the power to repeal it she would repeal it for the same reason that they have a certain number of immigrants in the boundaries of their state that they have

issued cards that are much more than they have in the state. we need to learn from the experience of others. driving is not a right, it's a privilege. i've got a bunch of teenagers and i understand it's a privilege and not a right. >> moderator: governor kitzhaber i will repeat the question. should undocumented drivers have driving privileges under ballot 88 and why? kitzhaber: absolutely yes it reduces the number of uninsured and unlicensed people on the road so there's a safety issue here but this is part of a much larger commitment to opportunity in the state. these people are working in oregon. they are paying taxes and they are the backbone of the nurse or -- nursery industry. they are hard workers and they deserve the right to be able to drive to and from work to and from church and keep there -- take the kids to school. if this is a nation that believes inequity and opportunity that we were created equal may have certain rights life liberty and the pursuit of

happiness than surely the pursuit of happiness must include the ability to drive to work and to take care of your family. to me this is an issue of fundamental equity and equality and i believe deeply we should have allowed these individuals to be able to drive. >> moderator: representative richardson have 30 seconds to respond. richardson: i appreciate it governor's. richardson: i appreciate it governor's passion but that the question of independence was not dealing with illegal immigrants that are in our state and are here breaking the law. this is not an easy discussion. it's not an easy issue but ultimately you have to have certain principles. either we enforce the law and we live is the law or remake special exceptions for special people. we the other problem. if the federal government problem and that's on the border but we have to live with what we appear. we have to make a decision. do we allow people to have special rights because our hearts reach out to them or do we have allow where we enforce the laws for everyone? that is where we need germane. >> moderator: thank you

governor. we will start with you on this question. should oregon employers provide paid sick leave to all workers including part-time employees and why or why not? kitzhaber: i believed in a paid sick leave policy. obviously it has to work for small businesses and we have to make sure that it doesn't result in others being dropped. the fact of the matter is if you are low income worker in the state you have absolutely no margin. if you have to leave to go to the doctor, to get sick and let's say you earn minimum wage and you are making 18 or $19,000 a year and you get sick. that can devastate them if they are working in a fast food restaurant. they can lose their job. what happens then? they come onto the state welfare system. it's a system that doesn't make sense. paid sick leave is a rational response to how we support people in our labor force particular people at the low e end.

>> moderator: representative richardson said it should oregon employers provide part-time employees? why or why not? richardson: i believe they should but i don't believe it's the governments place to pass a law that would punish people with the threat of confiscation or imprisonment for not keeping a log by the government. i think it's what employer should do. i did that as an employer myself than i've done that for years in various businesses which have been involved. i think it's an important thing for us to do. i think you need to be training and publicity about it but we crossed the line when we say the government is going to pass a law and threaten people if they don't comply with the way the government think something up to be done. >> moderator: governor at 30 response. you will pass on that one. governor richardson a sponsor you.

will as well will. i think it's important to allow the government at any level to give mandates and not show how it's going to be fine. the government especially as they government should be a resource to local and county government and not a dictator. i think we have room to improve in that and we should ensure we are not giving mandates that they can afford to enforce. >> moderator: what is the stage role when counties are school districts are unable or unwilling to fund things that are mandated by the legislature. kitzhaber: we need to be careful about remanding things that we

can't pay for sony to look at that. the larger question is when people are unwilling and what we have in parts of southern oregon has a crew safety crisis where one of the lowest tax rates in the state people are unwilling to raise those rates. there is no one force men to an account anymore. it's very dangerous situation. we have passed legislation to address that so we can levy some increase matched by the legislature should the county commission requested of the legislature. that hasn't happened yet. our options are to send the state police in but at some point you have to ask you the rest of the state the essentially supporting the public safety services for counties and willing to pay for themselves. there's no easy answer. this is not going to just affect that county but it's coming to curry counting coups county and it's an issue we have to take seriously to address. >> moderator: representative richardson 30 seconds response. richardson: the reason i

counties are not able to pay the expenses of law enforcement, it goes back to our policy on timberg. if you have a county that has some 60% of its land controlled in timber and they can't cut, they can develop their economy, they don't have the clusters we have in the northern part of the state so what we really need to do is to ensure they have the resources, the income, the revenue, the economy that will allow them to make the payments that are necessary. >> moderator: governor want to ask a quick question to clarify. he said it's not an easy topic to tackle and not an easy decision to make but do you feel it's appropriate for the state to send state police to police these areas when committees are unwilling to fund themselves? kitzhaber: we are already doing it so the short answer is yes. a state police are underfunded under budgeted and they are stretched. that's not a long-term solution unless the legislature is

willing to pump up the state, the funding for state police. if we are going to have counties if you are going to be county there are certain basic services the county needs to be able to supply and state police is a short-term stop measure that is not -- >> moderator: the next question begins with you. but what a good transportation package contained for the next biennium assuming it contains a revenue component and where would you propose that revenue comes from? kitzhaber: in the short-term the most likely revenue would be some kind of a gas tax increase in the transportation coalition is looking at. unfortunately that's not a long-term solution because the gas tax is bringing in less money as people drive west as vehicles are more efficient. we need to look at a long-term option. we have a vehicle miles traveled pilot to change the way we finance transportation. it would capture alternative fuel vehicles which i think we'll be coming that we need to figure out a way in my estimation to figure out how to attract private institutional

capital and finance public infrastructure projects. we have something called the west coast infrastructure exchange which is a partnership to do just that. i think the models called partnerships b.c. and canada have done $10 billion of public infrastructure projects financed with private resources. that's probably the most fruitful avenue because we can come on the federal government to finance the basic highway trust fund. >> moderator: representative richardson what would a good transportation package contained for the next biennium assuming he contains revenue component where would you propose that revenue comes from? richardson: infrastructure and transportation is a basic requirement of government. for instance we need a bridge. we have a 100 euro bridge going across the columbia river and we need to have that be a priority where the legislators and governors worked together to come up with a system that's going to be able to have a

project that will create a bridge and not just insured cronies get paid their money and millions of dollars gets wasted. when to also focus on what are called statewide transportation improvement packages. every region of the state has their own priorities. they need to have the funding and they need to have the ability to have their projects funded as well. how do you do that? at the combination of focusing on high priorities for infrastructure projects not getting whatever's left in utilizing debt and rational way. when you are fixing a bridge it's a long-term project. it's a capital improvement you need to be able to fund that using debt. >> moderator: governing of 30 seconds to respond. kitzhaber: just one thing. i think the change in the contracting model which is what we are talking about you can bring these institutional dollars and richardson build a bridge right now it's a design build contract. you get the lowest bidder.

you get to maintain and operate over 30 or period which gives you a different kind of contract. we have a trillion dollar infrastructure hole on the west coast and we will not fill it unless we figure out how to aggressively create that public-private partnership and bring those dollars to beared. it's critical to the public sector and the economy. kitzhaber: and requires tolling. >> moderator: representative or genetic special goodie. what ideas would you propose to assist the rural economies that are behind? richardson: we can focus on the great success they're having there. every area of the state has attributes. look at the aviation interstate and eastern oregon.

but it's not enough to have great products. you need to be able to sell those so a governor should be the ambassador for the aviation industry of eastern oregon. i have organized 10 trade missions to china as a legislator. i took legislators and businesses and we went there to help consumers in china understand oregon is in business and we have things they want to buy. as a result we brought back contracts for over a million dollars that have helped companies to expand and develop. what we need to do in rural oregon not only deal with our natural resources but also make sure that our products are expanded and sold internationally. >> moderator: i were picked a question governor. what ideas. what i does what he proposes as the economic recovery in the rural counties in oregon that are well behind in the recovery process? kitzhaber: spence said if you have seen one oregon county have seen one oregon economy. which is why we set up the

regional solutions project we have. to essentially prioritize development processes and bring to that of their state federal local and not-for-profit resources. we have a four institution right here is the result of a regional solutions process. the blue mountain timber project on the east side is another example of that. we are producing tangible results right now all across counties. we need to remember however the commonalities of trying to build on it -- and natural resources industry for the resource economy. for example marrying the department of four straight with the department of architecture at u. of o. to figure out how to innovate and create multi multi-buildings and other ways to utilize this wonderful mineral resources we have an in abundance in the state of oregon. >> moderator: governor a 30-second response. suborbital and to bring in new money to our economies especially rural oregon we need to be able to sell their

projects. as far as a specific thing that can be done out of my office budget as governor i will establish a lieutenant governor's position his focus will be solely on international trade, developing the relationships that we need. oregon is a gateway to the universe, a gateway to the wor world. we can sell our products if we have somebody that's working to do that and has actually established offices in our various countries where we have the greatest opportunities for export. >> moderator: i complement both of you for staying so well on time on these questions. so we have reached a point where we are at our final question of this debate and governor begins with you. what are the first three things you will accomplish as governor that will impact the voters of oregon on a personal level? kitzhaber: first i will continue to expand the access to quality and affordable health care.

secondly we will continue to lean into her early weaning -- early learning delivery system which will have a big impact on children and families before they get to school and there are will implement the low-carbon fuel standard which will create activity around the state of oregon and diversify our few opportunities visualizing bring thousands of new jobs to the state of oregon reduce the export of billions of dollars we send outside the state now to bring in fossil fuel and create jobs in better economic opportunities. >> moderator: representative richardson what are the first things he will accomplish as governor that will impact the voters on a personal level? richardson: first i'm going to implement pay equality. it's not just something to be discussed that women deserve to be paid the same as men for the same experience. the governor's office pays 79 cents for women for every dollar

he pays for men. that's wrong in the first thing out of his governors to make sure my office sets an example for equal pay and equal work and equal experience for men and women. secondly focus on education. we cannot continue to have an education system where we are -- where graduation rate is second to last in the country. that is unacceptable. where losing a generation of our youth so i will focus not just on getting kids to go to college because you have 100% of your effort focused on that than 25% of the kids actually go. when to make sure we have mentors and technical and professional opportunities for kids, using the unions and trade sectors to help provide those kinds of training for those kids are going to go to college. we need mentors. every child deserves a mentor and an education and an opportunity for our future. finally we are going to restore trust in our state so that people can trust a government and we will continue to lose.

>> moderator: we are running a little bit overtime with this question i want to give the governor 30 seconds to respond. kitzhaber: first of all my office does provide equal pay for equal work. a reporter whose article you used has repudiated the way you have done this. it just seems to me a little cynical that you would discover equity for women after an 11 year history in the legislature were very few votes suggest you believe in that. >> moderator: gentlemen we are going to move onto her closing statements. by the flip of a quite representative richardson you will have the first closing statement and you have three minutes. richardson: oregon is a wonderful state. consider for a moment you and your family, take yourself back 170 years ago and you want an opportunity and you care about oregon a place where there is tall timber and deep soil and lots of water and land, a place

where you can plant your roots and provide a legacy for your kids and grandkids. we call these people pioneers but if you were that family you wanted that and you put everything you had into it -- into a wagon and you wrote on the side of that oregon or bust and you start walking 2200 mil 2200 miles. why? because you want an opportunity, a legacy of freedom for your family and for generations to come. that is what we inherited. we drink from wells we didn't dig and yet where are we now? we have high employment. we have low achievement in our schools. we have a distrust in our state and in our government and what is the answer? it a vice seems to be eligibility and qualifications. we have put 300,000 more people onto health care. we want everyone to have health care health care but it always seems to be subsidized health care and what happens when you

can't get a doctor because now you have a card but you don't have the money to pay for your deductible and your doctor can't treat you and give you a break on the price because he would be breaking the law. we don't need the government to try and tell us how we should live our lives. if we want a legacy for our children like we received from our parents and those that came before us than we need to change the way we do business. we need to restore our state. we need to reboot our economy. we need to reform our education system sora kids aren't next-to-last but have a world-class education. that's what they deserve and we can afford to lose another generation. we need to restore trust and confidence in state government. as governor i will be a people's governor. i will reinstitute office hours. i will do with senator wyden is doing a good every county, every state every year and have the opportunity for people all over the state to bring their questions to the governor.

i want us to have a governor who will help restore confidence, look to the future and not be focused on trying to make defenses from what has gone on in the past and hope that we can do better. i say to the governor if you have had three terms governor ended and baseball it's three strikes and you're out. >> moderator: governor kitzhaber three minutes for your closing statement. kitzhaber: values matter and a are -- my opponent and i differ greatly on the issue of the woman's fundamental right to control her own reproductive health choices. we differ on the right of oregonians to marry the person they love and embracing oregon's growing diversity whether through tuition equity or supporting immigrant children and we disagree on the importance of maintaining oregon's natural wonders the foundation of our identity and our economy. our state is a vastly better place now than it was four years ago and that's largely to the

fact that we didn't allow the great recession or high unemployment or divided legislature to tear us apart. it reflects change at the top and it reflects leadership that has delivered for oregonians. we came together as oregonians over the past four years and found common solutions to very difficult issues. we erase their budget deficit and balance the books with bipartisanship. we set out to pay 25,000 new jobs and we have exceeded that goal. we have secured huge capital investments in our major surgery industries from intel to die my trust. we created two data centers and facilitated the expansion of the central oregon trucking company. we have kept timber mills open in umatilla and josephine county and we are working together to bring more water for agriculture to the umatilla basin. across the state communities are coming together working on outcomes for kids.

kindergarten readiness in third-grade reading. we added a billion dollars to the school system allows for use in the first tuition freeze in 14 years. today 95% of all oregonians have health insurance coverage. tens of thousands of them from the very first time don't have to choose between the utility bill and taking their child to the doctor. they are happier and healthier and more productive on the job. together we still have serious challenges. the economic recovery has left large portions of her stay behind. people in. [roll call] parts of our state. meeting those challenges requires two things. first are quite leadership based on values and based on the belief that we are all in this together based on the belief that oregon will be a good place for any of us to live unless it's a good place for all of us to live in second requires the ability to bring people together to tackle these problems as a community. we have brought her stay together and together we have delivered for oregon. we are well down the road to much more prosperous future and

cannot allow ourselves to turn to the divisiveness of the past. this campaign is about two things. it's about values, it's about the ability to deliver. i am john kitzhaber and i'm asking for your vote on november 4. >> moderator: this is a rarity in today. we actually have a little bit of extra time so i'm asking you each one additional question and i ask you to keep it less than 30 seconds. one of the oab members suggested this to me yesterday. representative richardson can you tell us one thing that you like about your opponent in this race? [laughter] richardson: the truth is we get along fine. this is competition. he wants a fourth term and i think i can do better so we will both be glad when november 5 comes regardless of the outcome. i think john is a very affable guy. i think colin belsky had it wrong when he was asked the difference between you and governor kit tauber and he said i like people. john seems like he likes people.

it's not about personality but about the ability to leave and we have a different background and a different focus on what the future is first aid. >> moderator: governor kitzhaber one thing you like about your opponent. kitzhaber: we are past the base i'm not going to debate anymore. dennis and i come he was one of the first people that i ran across when i walked across his office during a divided legislature. annuities work together and we worked very well together. dennis and cospeaker have one and courtney were largely the reasons we took what appeared to be just a toxic environment and made lemonade out of lemons so thank you for that. >> moderator: gentlemen i perceive and he got a positive now. that concludes our debate this morning. on behalf of the oregon association of broadcasters and the voters of this great state i want to thank both of you for being here and for everyone at home for watching and tuning in and making an informed decision.

i will remind everyone in the room and everyone watching and listening at home last day to register to vote is october 14. election day of course is tuesday, november 4. your vote does indeed matter. thank you so much for being with us today. [applause] today president obama spoke about the spread of the ebola virus and how to prevent future outbreaks. his remarks were part of the gathering of international health officials in washington d.c.. this is 20 minutes. >> thank you for joining us to advance a cause that touches us all. the health of our people and the security of our nation and of the world. today of course our thoughts and prayers are with the people of west africa and i know that some of you have been there in the

heroic work -- work in the fight against ebola. you have seen first-hand the tragedies that are taking place. liberia, sierra leone, guinea, people are terrified. hospitals, clinics, treatment centers are overwhelmed, leaving people dying on the streets. public health systems are near collapse. and then there are the secondary effects. economic growth is slowing dramatically. governments are being strained and if left unchecked experts predict that hundreds of thousands of people could be killed in a matter of months. that is why i've told my team that's fighting this epidemic is a national security priority for the united states. it's why he recently announced a major increase in our efforts. our military command in liberia is now up and running. we are standing up an air bridge

to move health workers and supplies in the west africa more quickly. we are setting up a field hospital, treatment units and a facility to train thousands of health workers. this is an area where the united states has an opportunity to lead and make a major contribution. yesterday at the united nations i joined with secretary-general ban ki-moon and dr. chen and said this has to be a global priority. over the last week culminating in new york more countries and organizations have announced significant commitments including health care workers and treatment facilities and financial support and today i want to thank in particular the government of japan which has pledged to provide some 500,000 pieces of ventilated protective gear, headgear, gloves, boots to keep health workers safe as they treat patients in the region. so we have got to now keep up this momentum.

this epidemic underscores vividly and tragically what we already knew which is in a world as interconnected as ours outbreaks anywhere even in the most remote villages and the remote corners of the world have the potential to impact everybody, every nation. and though this ebola epidemic is particularly dangerous we have seen deadly diseases cross borders before. h1n1, sars, mersmack and each time the world scrambles to coordinate a response. each time it's been harder than it should be to share information and to contain the outbreak. as a result diseases that spread faster and further than they should have. which means lives are lost that could've been saved. with all the knowledge, all the

medical talent, all the fans technologies at our disposal it is unacceptable is because of a lack of preparedness and planning and global coordination people are dying when they don't have to. so we have to do better especially when we know that outbreaks are going to keep happening. that's inevitable. at the same time other biological threats have grown, infections resistant to antibiotics to the terrorists to develop and use biological weapons. no nation can meet these challenges on its own. nobody is that isolated anymore. oceans don't protect you, while still protect you and that means all of us as nations and is an international community need to do more to keep our people safe. that is why we are here.

we have have to change their mindsets and start thinking about biological threats as of security threat that they are. in addition to be -- being humanitarian and economic threats. we have to bring the same level of commitment and focus to these challenges as we do when meeting around more traditional security issues. what i've said about the ebola epidemic is true here as well. as a nation that has underwritten much of global security for decades the united states has some capabilities that other nations don't have. we can mobilize the world in ways that other nations may not be able to and that is what we are trying to do on ebola. that is what we will do on the broader challenge of ensuring our global health security. we will do our part. we will leave. we will put resources but we cannot do it alone. that is why back in february before the current ebola

outbreak we launched this global health security and the push this agenda at the g7 meeting because we could see something like this coming. we issued a challenge to ourselves and to all nations of the world to make concrete pledges towards three key goals, prevent, detect and respond. we have to prevent outbreaks by reducing risks. made to detect threats immediately wherever they arise and respond rapidly and effectively when we see something happening. so we can save lives and avert larger outbreaks. the good news is today our nations are going to answer the call. to call. two together are countries that made 100 commitments to strengthen our security and the work with each other to strengthen the security of all countries public health systems. now we have got to turn those commitments into concrete action starting in west africa.

we have got to make sure we never see a tragedy on this scale again and we have to make sure we are not caught flat-footed because you know better than i do that not only can we anticipate additional outbreaks but we also know that viruses in large populations have the opportunity to mutate in ways that could make them even more deadly and spread more rapidly. so first we will do more to prevent threats and outbreaks. will partner with countries to help boost immunization rates to stop the spread of preventable diseases. we work together to improve biological security so nations can store transport and work with dangerous pathogens safely. here in the united states we are working with our partners to find new ways to stop animal diseases from crossing over to people which of course is how

ebola started. and with the executive order signed last week we now have a national strategy to combat antibiotic resistant bacteria to better protect our children and grandchildren from the reemergence of diseases and infections that the world conquered decades ago. second, we will do more to detect incidents and outbreaks. we will help hospitals and health workers find ways to share information more quickly as outbreaks occur. we want to help countries improve the monitoring system so they can track progress in real time and we will intensify their efforts to diagnose diseases faster. technologies now exists today that diagnose many illnesses in minutes. one of the things we need to do is work together to find ways to get those new technologies to market as quickly as possible and distributed as quickly as possible. too many places around the

world, patients have to wait sometimes for days to find out if they are sick which means in the meantime they are infecting friends in affecting family. we can do better on that. we are going to keep working to get new technologies to hospitals and health workers are needed so they diagnose patients quickly and do more to save lives at the earliest stages of disease. finally we will do more to respond faster when these outbreaks happen. united states will continue to help countries create their own emergency operation centers with rapid response teams ready to deploy at a moments notice. just like her military conducts exercises to be ready we will need more training exercises as well helping countries stress test their system and personnel so that in the event of an outbreak or a biological attack they know how to find the source, they know how to save lives. they can institute best practices. in many bans countries we take it for granted under the cbc this is their job. if they find something out there know how to isolate it rapidl

rapidly -- rapidly and conducts epidemiological studies and they now what protocols to follow. every country has -- because a lot of time it's not high-tech and doesn't require huge resources but it does require planning and preparation. as we are often seen in west africa often the greatest needs in a crisis is personnel that are trained and ready to deploy. we will work to strengthen the global network of experts. when a crisis occurs there are enough special standing by ready to work. today i'm pleased to announce a new effort to help health workers respond to the diseases like ebola. as many of you know first-hand the protective gear of the health workers wear can get incredibly hot especially in these environments of today we are issuing a challenge to businesses to better -- if you design them we will make them. we will pay for them.

our goal is to get them to the field in a matter of months to help the people working in west africa right now. i am confident we can do this. so here is the bottom line. no one should ever have to die for lack of an isolation tents or a treatment that which is happening in west africa. no committee should be left at the mercy of a horrific disease. no country should be caught by surprise if an outbreak starts to become an epidemic. we have got to act quickly and we have got to meet the commitments we are making here today and track our progress and hold each other accountable. so you can anticipate that i will be bringing this up but the heads of state and government that you report to. i especially want to thank the government of finland and indonesia have agreed to lead this effort going forward. i want to thank south korea which will host this conference

next year. i want to keep the momentum going. as we go forward let's remember what we are working toward. more families, more communities, more nations that are better able to provide for their own health security. and one thing i want to point out because all of you have been working in the field for many years and understand these issues far better than i ever will. even as we are working on preparedness understand the u.s. commitment and hopefully the world's commitment to just building a better public health and infrastructure generally remains. it's one thing for us to make sure we can anticipate diseases, identify diseases early and respond to them rapidly but as everybody here knows, if the body is strong, if communities

are strong, if nations are stronger than their enemy and its systems are strong so part of what we also continue to have to do is make sure that children are well fed and that they are getting their immunizations, that people have opportunity to get out of extreme poverty. that's also part of a long-term agenda. so we have a very narrow specific issue in terms of how we respond to potential outbreaks of epidemics like we are seeing in west africa. i don't want people to think that somehow that distracts us from some of our broader public health issues but right now what we are focused on today is to make sure that we have the opportunity to succeed in a situation where success will never actually be seen. it will be the attacks that we have prevented and infections

that we have stopped before they have started and the outbreaks that don't explode into epidemics. the scenes we are seeing in west africa are heartbreaking. they tear at our conscience. but even now in the face of unimaginable suffering there is still hope. there is hope in people like dr. melvin from liberia. i know he shared his story with you earlier here today. i think it's important for the world to hear it. for those of you who are just tuning in, when the ebola outbreak first began in a different part of liberia from where dr. corker lives he and his colleagues didn't think they were at risk so they kept seeing patients including some with fevers and as many of you know one of the tricky things about ebola is sometimes it presents itself early with symptoms that could be malaria or typhoid so

he and his colleagues didn't have enough latex gloves to use on those illnesses and they save those gloves with things like surgery. one of those patients turned out to have ebola. a few nurses got sick and after caring for them melvin tested positive as well. he lay in bed surrounded by other patients, forcing himself to e and drink even though he had no appetite and watching others died. he fought off despair by reading his bible and try to stay calm. he says as he describes it, i said to myself i was going to make it. i said to myself i was going to make it. the days passed and doctors and nurses gave him the best comfort and care that they could and melvin pulled through. he survived. he says it was like being reborn. and now nearly two months after being declared disease-free he is counting down the days until

the hospital reopens that he can get back to work in just a few weeks. your story reminds us that this virus can be beaten. because they are strong people, determined people. these countries who are prepared to do what it takes to save their friends and countrymen and families but they need a little help. at this very moment there are thousands of health workers like him in west africa on the ground in cities, neighborhoods, remote villages doing everything they can to stop this virus, whatever it takes. and we have the tools to help them to save lives. we have the knowledge and the resources not just to stop this outbreak but to prevent something like this from happening again. it is our moral obligation and it is in our national self-interest to see this work

through, to help them, to help ourselves. they the commitment to make sure our nation and our world is more secure it and the determination to work together to protect the lives of people. we have to be as strong and as determined and is driven as melvin. thank you all for being part of this critical work. the united states is proud to be your partner and we are looking forward to making sure that all these experts here get the support that they need from their leadership and hopefully as a consequence of meetings like this translated into action, we will be saving lives for many years to come. all right, thank you. [applause] ..

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