>> i'm not quite sure which side of greenland the way the heck up, and -- >> probably the polaris. that's where he got his baptism in the arctic. he was on an expedition looking -- to either on the vessel or looking for the lost vessel. this was the theme. >> and it came out okay an actual at a triumphant return to new york harbor i think. >> that was another one.

tim kaine and his expedition. there's been three or four. >> this is a lot of data. these people get stuck up in the eyes. >> this is what they stop going to greenland. they were thinking it must not be greenland. it's got to be somewhere else so let's try the bering strait. they kept coming. be higher me, the great iron is there looking for the open oversee the didn't exist at the climate folks are telling us in the next 50 years there will be an open polar sea, at least during the summertime. maybe they were crazy. they were just victim of bad timing. >> related question may be. on any of these trips, i think on one of them at least, anyway, sql people played a role because they help keep people alive. this is on this whaling voyage of 1898, a little later maybe that became a movie but it's accurate.

>> command of the north, or something like that. >> that's a documentary but this is a fictional movie based on fact that stars timothy bottoms and two other famous hollywood stars, and i can't remember. but anyway it didn't make big ag splash but it's a terrific movie and i wondered if native people on either side in siberia or in greenland, if it came upon them in playing any role in this story? >> there were two hunters who were taken aboard the ship and alaska who came on board and were hired to be hunters and dog drivers. they proved to be essential to the well being of the ship, especially this guy, alexi, and amazing hunting. they are never in want of polar bear, walrus, seal. so yes, absolutely. he was very good about paying attention, to their knowledge of this world. they had lived up there and,

obviously, knew a lot. unlock a lot of these expeditions which they said what are these guys can what do these guys know? we will do it our way. so thanks for your question. one more question. >> with a good knowledge of what happened to melville afterwards. to ever knowledge of what happened to the other survivors, how they progressed? >> we know exactly what happened to the budget to read the book. [laughter] you can be one of two things. you need to read a book or you can just read "the new york times" review that was in sunday's paper that was her plot summary. everything who lives, dies, where, when. but i'm very careful about this because i found that an leaders found that an leaders have told me last when the pictures are a lot more powerful and moving and haunting and meaningful if you don't know. this tour is just obscure enough and the way it all plays out it has a certain power if you just don't know. so don't google -- you can google