these groups threaten order, not just in the middle east but in many other parts of the world, and they threaten our homeland security. as we know they attacked us brutally on 9/11 to begin this period of history. in my opinion they clearly do not represent anything beyond a minority of the muslim world. when these groups, like eye cities or al qaeda take organization most of the muslims run because they don't want to live under that kind of resuppresssive regime. so we have to try to work to defeat them and also to give people within the muslim world the courage to stand up and fight them. the group i'm part of forming, very excited about, called the cep, the counter-extremism project. it's focused on one trying to

cut off funding to these terrorist groups, and, two, trying to develop essentially counternarrative for young people growing up in the muslim world, to vote for freedom and opportunity, and the moderate world and not go for violence and extremism. and i'm really glad it started with a couple of americans but we now have a former ambassador from pakistan to the u.n., former head of spell generals from germany, and i think we'll surprise people with the support we're going to get from within the arab world, which is now understanding that they are the first targets of these extremeis, whether iran or isis. >> and i know president obama made it clear. that needs to be a lot more support from that part of the world. >> i think one of the most significant things to happen in this fight against our most serious threat to our security, is the fact that saudi arabia,

qatar, bahrain, uae and jordan, flew at part of the first air attacks on isis and n syria. some of them fracturely -- their participation was in a way symbolic but the fact they're there, it's a turning point hopefully we in the private sect you're group i'm in, and the -- sector group i'm in, and the government can keep this going. it's the only way to keep this going. >> it's good to see everybody. we were able to meet some folks in the extra room there, having a lot of fun. it's good to see joe again. joe was a meantor and friend, we served on armed services together and spent a lot of time together. gait to see you, joe. we need to step backs' and see why we're here. why i isis? i isis? isis is al qaeda of iraq, and win we left iraq we signed a letter asking the president not

to leave iraq as is, leave a transition force, quick reaction force to allow the iraqi government to be there to lean noncase they needed to, and the president did not listen, do not do a status of forces agreement, and left, and who came in? criminal elements and terrorist groups, and that group then morphed into isis, which is now the size of new england, and they're bank robbers. they have gone into the mosul banks and robs banks and get the money, hire mercenaries, steal equipment we left there and now can use that left -- their mission is to march down pennsylvania avenue and plant a flag on the white house. well, with all due respect, what's our goal? to make sure it doesn't happen. and what we have noticed, what i have noticed as a former senator and someone in the military, is that there is a lack of trust with us and our alis, and a lack of fear and respect from our foes, because of the president's incoherent and cop fusing

policy. we said with syria, i'm drying the lawn. i'm drawing the lawn. and also saying we're not going to use ground troops. i'm not advocating ground troops but why throw the telegraph pass and let them know what you're doing you think isis is taking anything off the table? of course not. we have the greatest military in the world and it is a tee dent if we athey're there in case we need them. so there's a lack of coherent policy and sends a very bad message, the only way -- let me just step back and say one thing. i want the president to succeed. as an american i want him to succeed. i don't want him to fail because if he fails, near trouble. how do you do it? go after the command and control structured, work with the european and arab league partners to find ways to push them back.

allow -- arm the kurds and allow them to push on one side. allow the iraqi army to re-establish -- they have to have the will to fight. they're five miles from baghdad. they have to fight for their existence. i believe we didn't need to be here. >> you mentioned boots on the ground, something that people are unsure about. is that something you said you don't think we'll need that? >> i never said that. i said we shouldn't be taking that off the table. we should never take our options off the table and telegraph when we're leaving and what we are doing. that decision should be made -- according to general dempsey, me a make that recommendation. the president already took it off the table. so the 58 lies are confused. our foes are emboldened. so i rely on the generals on the ground to make that determination. the iraqi veterans who have left blood, limbs and friends on the battlefield, are so disgusted and upset as to what is happening there, it's a real

problem. and sends a very bad message. >> i agree tote live with what scott just -- totally with what scott just said. if we feel so threatened, as we should be, by isis, and the terrorists, and particularly after this unbelievable beheading of two americans and people from other countriesed, and our goal is to defeat them, degrade and defeat them as the president said, then you can't start that by saying, we're going to eliminate any possibility of ever using ground troops. none of us whatnot -- want to go back into the iraq war again but there may come a time to protect our own security, when we're going to have to put a limited number of special operation forces on the ground there to defeat isis, and i don't think you want to tell your enemy what you're not going to do. you want your enemy to be

frightened about what you're going to do particular live if you're the strongest country in the world. >> may i add something? joe and i have a lot in common. we know for a fact there are over 300 american citizens who have left america and are fighting alongside of isis. by all reports, some of them have come back, upwardded of 100. they are not here, folks to buy a house with a white picket fence. they're here to hurt and kill us and change hour way of life. joe and i had the foresight back a couple years ago to file a bill that would have stripped their citizenship, not allow them to hide behind the united states -- the rights guaranteed by our constitution. not use that passport freely to come back and > let me just add, it was filed again in this last session, and before they went on their second

vacation, they did not do two things. did not close the border and deal with the very, very serious border threats, and they did not also take up that very important bill to -- as u.k. has done, as france has done and other countries are doing, because they recognized, let's keep them there, let not let them hide -- wire not saying, oh, we think sort -- these are people on facebook, on twitter, on youtube. i'm so and so, i'm from so and so, i'm here fighting with my new friended and i'm going to come back and kill you. and the beheadings is personal. and all the rhetoric in the world, with joe biden saying we're going to the gates of hell to get them. with all derespect the gates of hell has already shown its face in new hampshire, and people are tired of rhetoric. we want action, and this lack of coherent responsible action, and

that's what is -- that's the problem. >> part of this is political, and we'll get to that later. but scott and i are of a similar mind, which is, if you agree with somebody, a colleague in the senate, on something, you got to be really irresponsible or dumb not to work with that person just because they happen to be from the other party. and this is one i was proud to work with scott on. [applause] >> i was the most bipartisan senator. 50-50, if it wasn't for joe, the insider trading bill never would have passed. it was my idea after "60 minutes," harry reid was getting in the way, politicizing it, an joe and susan collins brought it up and we put that thing through in roared time and did something to hope re-establish trust between the american people and the members of congress, and unfortunately, joe, when we

left, they weakened it. >> they did. i believed it in so much i began to claim it was my idea. >> i thought it was mine. >> you can share. let's tie back to immigration. you talked about the need to close the borders and i assume that's not just for these lone wolf terrorist but concern about children coming across the border from central america, and you both, i understand, hey been pretty involved in trying to tighten up themes laws. >> of course -- the immigration laws. >> we need secure the border. it's going on with other presidents. it's everybody's fault. the bottom line is we need to close the border, because right now, the president expanding the definition of rev few. >> allowing most -- refugee, allows young children others to come to the border and saying, come on in, it's okay, send as very bad message.

we need secure the children, treat them comp passionately and return them home to their home country. we already have mechanisms in place through the embassies to deal with this issues. number two i voted on two separate occasions to secure the border, and i believe you've did as well. i also voted to send troops to the border as a safety net there to address the concerns. that being said, i know there oar issues affecting immigration, but until we get to the core problem, which is opposite and for allx

immigrants, except for the native americans. we all are an -- our ancestors came here from somewhere else. it's the strength of our kin -- country, but there's immigration law, and people who come here illegally violate that law. so we have to do -- the whole system needs)o8 to be reformed t we have to better secure the border and then we have to make it easier for people to come in legally poo -- who are people who have the capability to be here. one thing that has to be part of an immigration reform bill is that anybody from a foreign country who gets a graduate degree here in science, engineering, math, ought to get a green card automatically. they will create wealth in our country. this is all -- basically -- scott is the kind of guy, the two of of us were in congress --

this is my fantasy -- we could work out these problems. >> we did. >> if you have most members of congress in a private room and talked about how toí3 solve thi, most of them would agree, it has to start with a promise to do everything to secure the border. then you have to deal with the ten or 11 million illegal immigrants and figure out a way that they come out of the shadows, pay any taxes they owe, they have to learn english, have to making clear they don't happen a criminal record, and they pay a fine, and then you put them on a path to get a green card and then open up the system to people of talent and capability from other parts of the world. this can happen if people are willing to compromise. john boehner, the spoker of the house, said a while ago he really wants to do immigration reform. i think he has something in mind like this. the president is frustrated and

the president says he is going too do something by executive action after the election. boehner says, if you do that, mr. president, all deals are off. the hope the president, particular live if it turns out the republicans control both houses of congress, after the election, hope the president invites the speaker, the majority leader in and sits down and says, okay, let's act like grownups. let's finally negotiate a( compromise and reform our immigration laws. [applause] >> i take it's further. i think anyone who goes to one of our colleges and wants to stay here should have the ability to get a diploma and the ability to stay here and work and continue with their education. if we have sale -- seasonal workers no, problem. some quotas with some countries, the irish and others are very low.s we need to modernize them. there's 4.6 million people following the law, trying to get through. what's the problem? is it computers? approving authorities?

let's fix it. and that is the major road block right now. so what the president is doing by creating an additional class of people, putting them ahead of the 4.6 million people who are following the laws, it's a disincentive for the people to actually follow the law, and whatever we do for me personally, whatever we do, i can't reward that illegality by providing them with ebt card or preferential housing during the so-called coming out of the shadows period. so we can't continue to provide those benefit because they're not entitled to. the is there an opportunity done to road? i'm listening but it's not going to be done until we take care of the basics. [applause] >> i want to give you a piece of good news. earlier this week i had dinner new york with a foreign minister of an asian country, and he started out saying -- he had been here for a week for the

u.n. general assembly and he said, i know you have some problems here in america and i know, number one, the government is dysfunctional, but he says -- [laughter] >> i said, relic hadn't noticed that. so he said, but i think you have stopped appreciating the good things that are happening in this country. incidentally, one of them, he said, we have suddenly become an enormous -- we're general rate our own energy now and it's going to skyrocket to a point where our economy will continue to grow and grow. but the second thing he said was, there is no'ynñ country ine world -- he said -- not from china, another country asia -- including china, where people of talent, from my country and everywhere else around the world want to go to america because they still believe -- and it is the land of opportunity. so, we have a lot to feel good

about. >> that's a nice way to -- nice point to make. [applause] >> i want to switch a little bim nor. wore talking about trying to secure the borders. one thing young not secure bordered about is disease. i'm sure you all know the first case of ebola was diagnosed in dallas, someone who traveled from west africa, not contagious when they traveled, but diagnosissed a few days later and was in critical condition, has been upgraded. that brings to us health care so we have the ebola crisis and then also today marks one year since california's version of the affordable care act, covered california, began. so i wanted to ask you about ebola and i believe you were talking to the governor of texas -- >> this was senator cornyn last night, and got the call at the dinner table, and they said that -- you know all the facts and they socñ to have it contained at this point. obvious live it's a concern. who would have thought/ñah it wd be that rampant, but it just

goes to show the health care and the ability to quickly respond in that part of the world is not up to par. with regard to health care, i think people know where i stand. i'm a states rights guy. i believe we can do it better in the states. i don't believe the federal government can do it as well as we can in the states. i look at the va and obamacare. obamacare is the virginia senator a couple -- the virginia in a couple years. i voted five times to repeal and it would repeal it again. people say, you don't want people to have health care? i do. i voted on a plan that worked for a state. may not work for carr or new hampshire but we can develop a plan that addresses all concerned and we detect better, more effectively, and be quicker and less top heavy and we can i think really step back from the bureaucratic nightmare, and we have the business mandate after

the election and that's the number one wet blanket. i don't dare where you live, employers are keeping their hours under 30. my mom, when she was lucky, had a job for 40, 50, 60 hours, and she could stay and spend a little time with us. we witha dysfunctional family, a little bit. and now she can't do it because employers are keeping those hours down. now she has to work two or three jobs to make that time. the family time is gone. the benefits are not as good. she is paying more for gas prices because they've doubled. so i believe we can do it better. we have the ability to do it better, and i look forward to getting back and repealingó] it. >> quickly, on ebola, it remind us that we live in a world that

where all diseases can occur and can move quickly because we all move very quickly, and this case in texas is a classic. this is a man who went very quickly from liberia to the u.s., as people travel all the time around the world, food moves all around the world. and we have to be careful. i think the good news for us here is that we have a great healthcare system, and so far we have seen from the ebola cases affected americans who have come back, they have survived. it can be treated in an advanced healthcare system like ours. my wife is in a panic about it, and she sent me two e-mail is got when i come of the plane today. be careful about[á shaking hand with people. i'm sure a lot of people out there feel that way. so, i'm just saying there's reason to be concerned and

careful, but -- and incidentally. at the texas hospital, for all i know, really handled the situation badly and as a result the state -- there's no hospital in america from now on that's going to have somebody come into the emergency room and report the symptoms that the gentleman felt and say, just here from liberia, and they say, hello, tweak aspirins and call usjpin the morning. without making a speech, -- >> no, not you. >> not me, no. >> always a danger in inviting former senators because we lost the right to filibuster, and i'll just say briefly, this is one scott and i disagree on. i voted for the chaz kaz kaz act. it wasn't -- affordable care act act. it wasn't easy but i felt we needed national standards too. many people in our country didn't have health insuringan, and the rest of us were paying

for it because they were going to the hospitals and getting treated. we were paying through our own insurance or medicaid. the second was that the cost of health care was going up dramatically. it was a tough decision because it was clearly an imperfect bill, and i will say that president clinton came in and spoke to some of white house were waiverring toward the end, and in classic clinton logic he said, you al are all now the current system is inadequate and you all know this bill is imperfect, but get it as good as you can get it because you're going to come back for the next 25 years because you can't get it right the first time. unfortunately, today, because of the partisanship, when there is a problem, people don't find it possible to sit down across party lines and fix it. the one thing i feel good about.

i demanded they pull something out which was called the public option, which in my opinion was an opener for a government-controlled healthcarr system, health insurance healthcare system in america which could have reduced the quality of health care and bankrupted our government. so we have work to do on it. give it a c-plus or c so far. would have given it a d minus but it's covered 10 million more people. but scott is right. so of the most controversial -- >> say that again. >> i better be careful. scotting right about what -- scott is right about what i'm about to say. which is, as in the business mandate, a few of the most controversial but most important parts of the affordable care act have been delayed by executive order, and when they come on,

well, we'll see what happens. >> i love you. like a brother. >> like a father. >> like a grandfather. 18 new taxes, three-quarters of a trillion dollars cut from medicare to help pay for another program. the business mandate is not come in yet. it's devastating businesses right now. the plans have gone down, the]s deductibles have gone up. the coverage are not adequate enough. and you said it right now, we have the greatest healthcare system in the world. because of a lot of the reimbursements doctors are being short changed. our rehab and nursing home facilities are not getting adequate reimbursements and moms and dadsed are being hurt and pushed out of the hospitals and pushed out of those rehab facilities earlier. with our veterans -- a letter came back from the va, they're slashing the reimbursement for veterans in the facilities, and,

have to be honest with you, i think people should have access to health care or the ability to purchase insurance to get health care and i believe we can cover people on medicaid and others who need it. a state that it worked in prior to this passed 198-2, and because of the federal plan, that plan now is a mess other. states have tried to do it their own way and address all the things every wonts, preexisting conditions, catastrophic care, covering kid, having competition. you can do it in the states. i'm not saying let's not help people. i'm talking about, let's do it offers. we can do it better. look at the post office. i love them but they're billions -- look deva. if you think the federal government do it better than us, we'll respectfully disagree. >> we patterned the national -- >> we didn't raise 18 new taxes, joe, and we didn't cut three three-quarters of a trillion

dollars. maybe there was a lose association -- >> who was the governor of the state? >> governor romney who, by the way, was right on russia, he was right on own kaz and right -- on obamacare and right on the economy. >> i was reading "consumer reports" did an analysis on the health care, and it's the best in the world but there's a lot of issues. reports that show you can get much better coverage for much less. some places youdi pay $800 for a tylenol or something like that, and that's just -- there's got be a better way. >> common sense stuff to fix. >> one thing you brought up and this is something when i covered the inauguration, i spoke to nancy pelosi and, my big question for her is, what can we do about the dysfunction in congress? and you both have mixed there's just this partisanship that seems to be so chronic and seems

nothing can get done. so as someone who wants to get back into the senate and -- next month, what do you think needs to happen in order for the congress to be able to move forward? >> that's easy other. i'm an american first, a proud patriot and an american. one reason i want to go back there i was listening to harry reid, and chuck assumer and the president mislead the people about the fast and fewer you benghazi, the irs scandal, what is happening in allies and syria and iraq, and i was complaining you know what and get back involved, and the key is, you need bipartisan senators. now, i was 50-50. you can't argue with facts. i 50- 50, and many people onif both side wrote 99-98% of the time with their party. that's out in how to solve

problems. one thing dish mean this wholeheartedly -- i trulied adme and respect about you're, he was the most thoughtful, compassionate problem solver when he left the united states senate lost somebody very, very special, and it's people like him and senator collins and joe manchin is coming along in a good way, there are good democrats and republicans in the middle, those moderates, fiscal conservatives, the good people on both sides of almost every issue, but they forget about being an american first, and our country is in trouble. it really is. we're in economic malaise. we have an energy policy that is being problematic. we have border immigration problems. our view in the world is not respected. we have to restorers in and the

only way to do that is to send independent problem solvers back or support those teams of people, not only in washington but in your city councils, selectmen, your assemblies and state houses as well. >> scott is -- [applause] scott described the problem really well. i was so struck and disappointed by the fact that most people work so hard to come to congress, the good people, they want to serve the country, and yet they get there and they get divided into these strange, almost childish warring teams, and washington, our first president, warned in his farewell address about the danger of factions, political parties and the word the future americans would put the interest

of the political fashion ahead of the interests of the country, and we're living washington's nightmare today. each party used to be quite diverse. every year, one of the magazines in washington -- i think "national journal" rates members of congress in three areas: social policy, economic policy, foreign and national security policy, and rate them -- us on a liberal, conservative, scale. for years most years, you'd have in theñ÷ middle about 20 or 30 people, which was a mixture of democrats and republicans. the last -- the recent years, you can't@v find a democrat whos more liberal than any republican -- die have that right -- no. the other way around -- republican -- see what an independent i am -- you know what i'm saying.

it's like warring camps. here's the bottom line. people -- the main point is scott's. are you a republican, a democrat, or an american? and obviously you have to put america first. the second thing is, you have to be willing to compromise you. can't get thing done without compromising, and i don't mean a compromise of principle. i mean when you two into a negotiation on a piece of legislation, you can't say, i will not vote for this unless i get 100% of what i want. if you get 50%, okay. maybe you'll get 60% or 70%, even better, and that's not happening. we have some enormous problems. the deficit remains -- the debt remains an enormous problem. immigration is an enormous problem. and the question is, is congress going to get together and solve those problems before they become catastrophes? and ultimately, as the great

george bernard shaw line, the wonderful thing about a democracy is that in a democracy the people get the leadership they deserve. well, it's up to the people. >> let borrow your quote. i miss them. >> pull one out. >> i appeal to you, say to your candidates for elective office, i want you to go down there and do what you think is right to get something done, even if i disagreeal with you on that one, because the country needs to solve our problems. >> is that something you think is still possible? seemed like there's extremist on both sides that are holding the party hostage. >> aim a glass half full guy. i believe in america. i believe we can restore america to the greatness. it's a great country. but i think we have some, who to do in certain areas. they don't talk. they don't work together. they leave at 12:00 on thursday, and come back monday night for a fake judge vote.

if was the leader i'd tell them, we're not going home and we're going to do a couple of retreats together and get to know each other and your families and reconnect. [applause] >> we have some questions from the audience. you gentlemen are willing to -- and one we talked a little bit about. tell us your best ideas, senator brown, for addressing income inequality. >> one of the ways to kind of risei everybody's boats, we need repeal obamacare and get that wet blanket off businesses and individuals. [applause] >> if you look at the challenges right now of -- just so you know, my mom and dad were married -- my mom was on welfare. a lot of challenges and arrested at 12. it wasn't easy. i remember my first job as 13 years old, dunkin' dough it it in -- doughnuts. do you have these out here?

my mom struggled to keep obviously provide for our family, but when you are looking at how to actually get ahead, i remember like it was yesterday when i was 18 years old and had the challenges that ronald reagan said we're a pert of opportunity and if you work hard, you join forces with a friend and you create a business, a corporation, that corporation can actually hire people and grow and expand and you can fulfill the american dream. so when we talk about income inequality, i want everybody to have the opportunities i had that ronald reagan put in my heat, and you have to do it by allowing our job creators the ability to create jobs. obamacare is the biggest wet blanket. the high cost of energy is out of sight in new hampshire prices are doubling this winter. we have a situation with the unelected, unaccountantable bureaucrats, putting more and more regulations -- the highest

corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. i was driving from the airport, listen to the radio and they're talking about tree taxes, in this area, because they can't afford to maintain the trees. they gave it to the home owners having success so they whatnot to do a parcel tax. every time you turn around this, government, whether it's state, local, federal government, is looking for more and more movement if you think the federal government doesn't have new money, you're wrong. there's plenty of money. let's find way to do that streamline and come -- consolidating, do the father, waste and abuse, fix the tax code, find ways to do it like we do in our homes and businesses. then if there's a question and we're still short, then dom me. the only way to address income inequality is to allow people to have jobs and right enough it's flat. >> there are certain sectors. that are doing well, but all in all things are flat. there's a log of regulatory and tax certain di. businesses and individuals are very, very nervous right now.

>> i would say -- you hear this a lot in washington -- -- the simple answer to income unequal is to raise tacks. that's the wrong answer. if you look at our tax system it's a very progressive system. 50% of the people essentially pay no taxes and we have earned income tax credit which helps people at the lower end who are working to be able to save a little more. i know this is a slogan butñf i think it's the truth. the best way to end income inequality is to get the economy growing more. >> amen. >> just the way it happens, and to me, the most significant thing weeing do to get the economy growing more is to have a long term debt reduction plan for america because business -- jobs don't come from government. jobs come from the private sector. a lot of the private sector is sitting on an enormous amount of cash because they don't know what is coming -- >> can't get it back.

can't bring it back. >> from abroad. right. some are sitting on it here because they don't know what the future is. i we create stability, if we put ourselves on the road back to some kind of balance in our federal government, then that's the best think we can do to end incomeñinequality. one other thing, during the last recession, certain number of people lost their jobs who will never get those jobs back. they're not there. and we have got -- and a lot of them are not so old. 40s or 50s. we have to think about targeted ways, to retrain those people for jobs that exist. >> i want to bring up another question. someone brought in our satellite room. i touched on at the beginning. senator lieberman, you have special insight talking about intruders breaking into the white house, and obviously that was one very public event on

friday but there have been others as well. you had secret service when you were the vice vice presidential nominee. drew think the secret service has weakened? >> all my memories of that relationship with the secret service in 2000 are positive. these are extraordinary people. they put, as everybody say, put their lives on the line. a few times walking through a crowd, i remember, the first time it happened -- i suddenly feel hand going into the back of my belt, and it was a guy named mike who was one of my chief of my detail, leaned forward and said, i'm just going to hold on to you. there's something i don't like. he saw something in the crowd. he got closer to me than -- about as close as you can get. that's the way they are. and so it's been actually disheartening for me to watch

this series of events going back to the business with the president's denail cartagena and these lapses. so something is going wrong there. there. these are good" but something has gone wrong, and i hate to use the word but the culture of the place, and it's not up to me but i think maybe secret service is ready for a new director from outside, and maybe somebody from the military who has that kind of executive experience to shake it up and make it work again. >> i heard someone say that since the change it used to be run by the treasury and now run by homeland security and there's so much bureaucracy involved -- >> i don't think that's the problem. it's really within the over. here's something else. the secret service still has historic responsibilities which ought to be taken -- they still investigate cases of

counterfeiting of money, and they've got so much to do to protect the president, visiting dignitaries, et cetera, that it ought to go to somebody else who can happen it, like the fbi, and let think focus on security. >> joe has much more experience. i'll defer to his expertise on that. >> senator brown, another question from the audience. has the international opinion of the u.s.a. improved or declined under president obama? >> i think it's -- because of his confusing foreign policy and -- it's absolutely declined. there's a lack of trust not only between our allies and the united states, a lack of fear reexamine respect for our foe -- fear and respect from our foes s and a lack of trust of or citizens of big government, including members of congress, and they're upset about the difference function, upset about the -- dysfunction, upset about the lack of transparency when you're talking about bench

georgia si, fast and furious and looking at agencies being used as political arms, the irs, the justice department, with the what was happening with the+w targets or lack of prosecution in areas. so, as i said, we live in the greetest country in the world, democracy, as joe referenced, is messy, so i'm hopeful we'll get it together and some folks will say, okay, we had our fun, let's go and take back our country and get things back on track. >> amen. surprisingly in the polling i have seen from around the world we are thought of less well, and it's unusual because when president bush left he wasn't popular in parts of the world. president obama came in there was tremendous hope around the world. but that moment is lost and i do

think that scott said, a lot of it is because we send an uncertain message. the fact as we see every day in the newspapers, on tv, et cetera, it's a dangerous world, and it's a world in which if you're the greatest country in the world, which we are, unless our enemies fear us and our allies trust us, the world is going to be a much more tñvw.á]z place, and that's where it is today. just go bag to to this prime minister from an asian country, and i heard this over and over. most of these problems have happened in the middle east but we asked them the other night, what is the opinion of the u.s. in asia today? and he said, you know, there's great respect for your economy and everybody wants to go to america, but really, we don't know whether we can rely on you anymore. big and threatens a lot of souse we watched what happens in syria with the red lines, and we said

to ourselves, wow, if people took -- he wasn't from japan -- if the chinese move on these islands which are japanese, the japanese believe -- what will the united states do? so, the president began to turn this around in a speech at the united nations. he said some things really he should have said five years ago, about just some places in the world where you have to use force to protect your interests and your values. i just hope the sticks with it. in the "60 minutes" interview he said things that undercut the strength of that and as scott said -- i've ban critic ofú2 hi. i didn't support him in 2008. i supported hi friend, mccain, but we need him to succeed. he is going to be president for more than two more years, these are going to be very critical years. happy he continues on the themes he struck at the u.n. that day

and in the speech to the nation about isis. >> listen, the speeches are over. people don't want speeches. they want direction. we have world on fire. look at israel and hamas. the worst relationship in the -- since the startling of the state of israel, and that relationship is terrible. we have what is happening in ukraine, crimea and russia, putin has another two years to push the envelope and will do. so you see what is happening in

syria, iraq, afghanistan, potentially, fortunately they signed status of force agreement, and then we see what is happening in africa with boko haram. we sent a bill to the forerelations committee, asking boca haram be deemed a terrorist organization. they did nothing. so, this constant lack of understanding and comprehending what the problems are, sending terrible messages and it's coming back unfortunately to hurt us dramatically. >> the foreign policy, there's also growing unrest in hong kong because of the chinese control of elections, and i was also wanting to get your reaction about israel and hamas and is that something that is ever going to be settled niksch peace in the middle east? >> first about hong kong, this is a remarkable moment, and it

continues to happen. it happened in the arab spring, short-lived, that was really moving, these people were risings up for their freedom and economic opportunity. happened in ukraine when the ukraine people said they want to be part of europe, don't want to be part of being dominated by russia anymore, and here's hong kong. this is all bat promise china made to hong kong when it took back hong kong essentially from britain 20 years ago, almost 20 years ago, it was 1997 -- that in 2017 they'd get -- the people of hong kong would get to choose their president. so, now china say, yes, you'll choose your president, but we will choose the candidates who you choose from. so, -- they go out into the streets. this is a real test of the leader of china.

cheng chui ping and i'm afraid it's going to end up with the government using force. if they were smart, what is the big deal? let them choose their leaders. now, on -- take too long on this but the situation in the middle east. what we have seen in the last three or four years is that we were focused on the israeli-palestinian conflict, the larger and more consequential conflicts are now between the modernizers, and the extremist, the violent extremist, and in some sense unfortunately flowing back to the old classic sunni versus shia conflict. but the israeli-palestinian conflict, if it could be solved would help everything. it's just -- when you have a group like hamas, which is openly committed to terrorist action against israel, and the destruction of the state of

israel, the israelis are never going to sit down at the table with them. air fault changed what -- arafat changed what he said about israel and they did sit down at the table with himself at least they schad some step -- they had some steps forward. it's hard to be optimistic about and it part of the larger problem now in the muslim world because the palestinian authority leadership is relatively moderate. and we voted to support them financially and politically and congress but they're now being threatened by people like hamas, who really are part of the muslim brotherhood and the cousins of isis, and as long as that happens there won't bev anything like peace in the middle east. >> israel has every right to defend itself. hamas is there to wipe israel off the face of the earth. you see the rocketed and missiles lined up at the police facility, child cair facilities, underground bunkers it's no way to live and it's about smaller

than the state of rhode island, and they're under siege from all directions. so i certainly support their efforts, and i think that leads to iran and what is happening with iran. i never would have allowed that deal to move forward without absolute, positive steps for them to stop enriching ewan rainum. the fact that -- urainam. the fact the president that given them an extension and got nothing in return, the lack of commitment. he should have said we're immediate live put sanctions in. that's why i'm look forward to hopefully getting back and lead the charge. >> speaking of hopefully going back you can't look at kris school balls but the election is coming up in less than five weeks. i assume that you are confident the senate is going to turn and become republican. >> i'm not confident about anything. i take each day. i'm not one of those. i'm a person who thinks -- i deal in fact, and i'm going to wait until november 4th,

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now, no. surprisingly -- rot roberts and kansas looks like he is in some difficulty. the independent candidate -- asaw a poll six opinions ahead. so who node. i if you put it all together looks like -- the other thing to notice, probably spent to much time reading this stuff -- what deals i have to do now? as my wife says from the pain of personal experience, living with me, politics is an incurable disease. so, there's an interesting factor that you see in some of the polling which is that commitment to both is much higher among republicans than democrats so far. in other words, if you ask people, do you intend to vote, how strongly do you feel about it, it's much higher this year emergency republicans. so if that holds and the turnout hold that will favor republican majority. >> could i add something to that? that means that harry reid this

minority leader and we actually take those -- upwardded of 400 bills and put them on the president's desk and then you can say, why didn't you sign that bill on border security. why didn't you do the visa bill? why didn't you approve the keystone pipeline, and he has to answer and respond instead of blaming other people as he did in the "60 minutes" piece why he didn't do these things. we have 400 bills hari held up and it means we have the ability to get things done. go back to regular order. how about that, joe. going through the committee process, the appropriations process. getting back to allowing people to file an amendment and actually get it heard. he only brought up seven amendments this year from republicans and only allowed seven, and every one of them failed. there are good people with good ideas, and part or the problem is when you file a bill you find out we're going to change the

entire structure of the economy, going to do it in an hour, moves for cloture, doesn't allow amendments and force to us say we're not going to dive witness don't get any amendments because we have some ideas. let's talk about energy. some great ideas, energy efficiency, keystone pipeline, allowing and modifying and updating our tax codes. but he doesn't do that. when head did it with the insider trading bill, passed almost 100 to nothing. the crowd funding bill, passed. the veterans bill passed. when he allows to us go through the process and everyone's part of the process, is passes. that's the problem. >> let me give us a hopeful -- very hopeful scenario if -- of what might have i senate goes republican and congress is republican. something told me an old joke i hadn't heard for a long time which relates to what i'm about to say, which was, when

elizabeth taylor got married for the seventh time, think, somebody said, what that was was the triumph of hope over experience. [laughter] >> so i'm going no now give you the political version of that. there have been occasions in our history, i must admit, occasions when washington was not as divided along partisan lines as today, where when congress is controlled by one party and the president is of another party, they actually end up negotiating agreements. >> bill clinton. >> a classic. when gingrich brought in the crowd in the house, if anybody said these two people, gingrich and clinton would be able to work together, but they negotiated agreements on welfare reform, stronger criminal laws -- >> ronald reagan.

>> reagan and o'neill. that's he hope here. it will take the president -- the president now is going to be in the last two years. he has to be thinking about what mark have i been able to make in the positive way on this country? and what it's going to mean he has to separate himself from some in the democratic party to negotiate compromise agreements with the republicans, and hopefully the republicans in turn will be willing to compromise and meet him somewhere in the middle. >> the next two years will be interesting to see. >> maybe better than he think. >> eternal opt mist. so, that -- opt miss. -- optimist. which two candidates would you like to see run for president in 2016 and why? >> it's too early. you're going to get -- there's so much happening right now -- >> hillary clinton is a fait accompli? >> i'll leave that to the political pundits.

i believe it's too early. people are so focused on 2014. people don't care about 2016. we need to deal with the issues right now. and that's where my head is at. [applause] >> well said. i mean, it's too early to say who i think but i guess you'd have to say if you invite me to be a political commentator, if hillary clinton runs she is going to get the democratic nomination. she'll get the nomination. >> the question is, will she run. >> that's the question. if she doesn't you'll have in both parties -- the interesting race will be for the nomination of the republican party. a lot of candidates, and in a presidential primary, actually the one time when our parties nationally define themselves. we write platforms for national

parties that don't mean a hell of a lot. i'm sorry to say that. the reality is when the voters come out in the primaries they decide what kind of party they want to have, and the challenge for the republicans, i. i may say so as an independent, will be to nominate somebody who is seen as a problem-solver and not an extremist, if you will. and a more practical political sense, somebody who can get the support of moderate voters. to me, one of the most stunning numbers in the so-called exist polls after the last presidential election -- was that president obama defeated mitt romney among self-described moderates by something like 16 points. so president obama most people don't think is a moderate but he -- i think what happened among mod rats he looked relatively moderate compared to the republican romney.

romney actually generally is a moderate, but the perception of the party. so it's going to be a fascinating couple of years. if hillary doesn't one, the exact same contest will occur in the democratic primary. no clear favorite and a real battle for what the party stand for. >> and i think it's going to be interesting to watch, get through the 2014 election, and then it's open field from there. so just to -- before we wrap it up, i wanted to ask each of you, since you have had some illustrious positions in your career, want to know what would you consider the highlight of your professional career so far. senator brown? >> being a dad. that's a professional career. i just had two daughters get married in the last five week. >> wow, that was an expensive proposition. >> and gail and i have been together for 30 years.

you say professional -- listen, being a parent is a profession. it's one of the hardest professions to make sure you can find the balance between being a husband and wife and loving and caring for each other and drying to raise kidded and give them good morals and beliefs and just kind of push them out the door, give. the enough room to grow, and -- i'm gonzalesed. i would say that, and to think someone like me could ever be a united states senator with the background i have to represent the greatest country in the word to be one of the 100 people to make the decisions was an honor, and i look forward to having hopefully the honor again. ...

>> cpac. >> [applause] i still keep in touch with

al gore only by e-mail occasionally. [laughter] he did intend to the internet. [laughter] - - invent the internet but to be fair, choice of a vice-presidential running mate by the presidential nominee is probably the most unilateral exercise of power in politics the president gets to choose to he wants so single-handedly you may say both took the risk, but also we had the confidence of the american people to feel that would not hurt his chances and i will tell you a funny story i am telling too many stories but you will get a kick at of this one. i decided i wanted you to be

my running mate but being responsible asking a small number of people is america ready for a jewish person as vice president? he said bassam christian friends and jewish friends and guess what i found? but to say all the christians said no problem. [laughter] so he said there are so many more kristiansand jews. [applause] estimate that wraps it up for the evening. thank you. [applause]

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♪ >>moderator: the evening will come to this special 2014 addition to the ratio is a debate sponsored by clean election really hear from candidates who will be the next governor this is not the formal exercise is the open exchange of ideas for give-and-take between candidates between the top office interjections and interruptions are allowed provided all sides get a fair shake and we will do our best to see that happen is a former candidates are competing in alphabetical order state treasurer mr. ducey. mr. duval on the board of regents be a libertarian mr. hess a businessman and elect candidates mr. mealer also a businessman. each candidate will have one minute for opening and closing statements we drew numbers to see who goes first and that goes to mr.

duval. duval: good evening. i grew up here we raise our children here and we love this place by running for governor because we are worried that arizona is headed in the wrong direction the deep cuts are too severe we're losing jobs and opportunities. to make us a clear statement of full stop i will use a veto if necessary but no more cuts not another dollar not to another penny as the voters have voted the supreme court made the decision and the voters instructed the legislature to invest in school and i believe we should enforce this decision immediately and reinvest in children's schools. other candidates disagreed with the most important thing we can do to turn our economy around is invest

into the opportunities of the future. >>moderator: now we turn to mr. mealer. hess: at --. mealer: as independent constitutionalist here is my opportunity. i do agree with the education meetings have to prepare i would detail a way to pay for this budget cuts are one way but i believe we need to increase revenue. and i truly believe arizona needs to run arizona not groups from d.c. that unfortunately is from both parties. i am an independent and i would like to serve you as governor. >>moderator: thank-you very much. mr. ducey? ducey: i went to be your next governor my wife and i

have been married 24 years with three sons jack and joe and sam i am running on their real world experience as a small business owner ed ceo and current state treasurer managing over $12.5 billion of arizona state assets. i have a clear agenda as next governor to kickstart the economy for hard-working arizonans to determine their career to restore our educational system and i want to take charge of what to be the independent voice and i am proud to a nantes' -- announced the democratic state legislator katherine miranda you can tell how they govern by how the campaign i have reached out to catherine she has joined

the campaign i am looking forward to be governor of the people. hess: i am not and mr. thomas but i can tell you what will happen the democrat will tell you he knows how to spend your money raise and educate your children better than you can. a republican will tell you he knows how to spend your money but this is silly thing you can do. but to continue the fund the program we're not getting our money's worth. washington d.c. spends twice the money elbowed out of place in this day we will see a lot of differences between us but my mind is focused on the rights of the individuals to protect you.

that is why i want to be your governor. >>moderator: let's get the discussion started how we'll balance the budget with the inflation adjusted education funds? how we pay for them? duval: the supreme court has a rule to pay back the money. the rate a day find was built on the backs of our schools we need to use that of the multi-year commitment then go through a variety of other steps to make sure we to make many possibilities that we must establish a hour priorities but the absolute priority is no more cuts. we have cut severely in with

a sustained balancing the budget passed to step. >>moderator: how will be paid for that? duval: to make sure we spend the money is a the proper places i want to go to funding to focus on literacy the state has $1.7 billion cash to $454 million in a reserve account earning interest well-balanced of budget one fiscal year at a time to see what can happen with properly spending said dollars sarah best serve our children, teachers and parents teeeighteen that money will have to be accounted for how we balance the budget? ducey: talk about the different state agencies i will go through the budget

line by line dollar by dollar we have 27 percent of the state's work force outside of education eligible for retirement in the next four years you don't have to let one person go but through discipline hiring and use of technology can find savings efficiencies that is what i will do as governor. >>moderator: okay john. not 1.6 billion a back payments had to balance the budget? >> it is detailed in a booklet i have on my website how we can take the trust to break it down to a taxable property. they have been knocking on the door for 25 years we need to bring them in and allow that property to be taxed.

>> i think if we have a surplus we pay off now. doesn't that make sense? my plan calls for using the radio gave fund to sell it for the purpose of education but what i will be striving for is asking the voters to repeal mandatory spending it is not about money. we have seen that we have to cut spending because the education budget and swords almost 50 percent of the budget it is ridiculous. i would like to go back to 20%. >> but the first is the notion that we could capture hundreds of millions of dollars but i was part when we created that effort to do that we lost services in the process i don't want to see that loss of accountability and the notion as they

become open is a foolish risk are we not going to replace children welfare services that is a dangerous idea. >> there should be with not collect public safety first is the distortion of what i you talking about 87 industries representing over $1 billion of the annual spending in anyone who does not think the government cannot tight than its pelted we cannot do better? we need to review everything we're doing with the core functions that is why i talk about our education system to kick start our economy and we can do a lot better than we are doing today. >> fed governor pushed for a temporary sales tax hike she thought was necessary that one time but would you push

for of tax hike of freight -- of any kind if it became of burden? >> we will find education we have the dollars available but we have to kick start our economy to move to the right direction. me one candidate is endorsed in the national federation of independent businesses this is the way to grow our economy to reform our tax code and simplify to tighten regulation to make kurtis less on a small-business owner. >> he is proposing we take the income tax at zero that means cuts at k12 medicaid is voter projected. you will have to cut techcti

education. >> that is not accurate we should improve the tax code rhaetian simplify the tax code flat since it to make it more fair my opinion is it is the viewers monday. they earned it i want them to keep it became deal with a better direction with our tax code. it will take a term as governor and a growing economy and the effective government but he proposed $4 billion in additional spending. >> three will not raise taxes explain how that works to make that is a ridiculous notion we should force the supreme court decision that they are clear in their intention to pay back the schools for those cuts. you look for every opportunity not to invest. that question started.

>> i am not for a tax increase. >> every opportunity you had >> i sat on the board for teacher america in the state senators school board so to get us to the classroom to support the teacher good lord. [laughter] but what we need to talk about is redefining education is down there in the world agrees to be number one. they have got away from competitive schools that is the way innovation and imagination and comes into play and i am sure we will talk about common corporate talk about finding it is not about money by restructuring.

when we have lots of money going into the schools because of jan brewer how that translates use the students who were ubiquitous is a lot smarter m.i.t. started it you cannot argue with them was distance looing showing you can get of far better education without spreading of disease, bad behavior, of logistics', a security and the other things with some the schools to -- the government's schools. >> you better have an idea some economic this plan is what i created to take people with the dream of growing their existing business to put them into the five-year plan to go public if they wish to retire to become ceos my

plan is that good. the head of the industry -- the of hemp is not the smokeable plant that that replaces a rubber or biofuels that is well into the trillions of dollars. >> what about putting attacks on marijuana itself? >> we should do that as well. just as we do alcohol teeeighteen the national average seems to be dropping as poverty rate is increasing and job recovery is not the national average. what is going on out there? mealer: these issues should weigh on all of us. these are seniors, a single mothers and children and it is unacceptable. my commitment is to serve all of arizona to have a better future.

you do this to have an economy that is growing resisting businesses are growing hanging out help-wanted signs they look as the perfect place where to do business i am tired of politicians talking about job creations rhetorically a want to go to california to bring new businesses here. the businesses go to indiana and texas that is how we get the economy going in the right direction to lift people out of poverty. >> it is higher than the national average in the job recovery is slow work. >> four points above the national average in unemployment they're going up in arizona but down the rest of the country. we're headed in the wrong direction our economy is not recovering. when i hear from businesses

is they looked at the tax rate and the regulatory environment but then the core question will my employees have the talent i need to be successful? will we have good schools to go to? we have to answer that question to show a commitment in these cuts there are 500 classrooms with no permanent teacher. we're not making the assurances business needs tusis been talking about tax cuts repeatedly the growth is zero with the budget deficit and schools closing in koses closing, is that what we want? >> talk about arizona and texas and florida in the parable states where they

are moving. we have three of the top 10 high schools in the country were there any of their stay in the nation it has that fracking rate we have $10 million to educate our schoolchildren and we know how to do a weld over the last decade there has been a decrease in percentage of resources going to the classroom to support our teachers going in the wrong direction i want to see education that is true that makes the difference. >> can you compare arizona with texas or kansas? >> my plan calls for eliminating the tax even if they come with a gun and status for the children. how to raise the money?

i raise it to a transaction tax combined with a single tax on business. that will create the environment and the many here. we cannot have politicians taking in choosing who will visit we have to create an atmosphere for your business friendly and open and honest that is important along with that we have to fund education but we have gone overboard trying to teach all of our students everything we should narrow the focus to have the skills to learn to allow corporations to come in for what they specifically need to make better sense to pinpoint education and day and to teach everyone everything.

>> so comparing apples to oranges so can you compare arizona to a texas with kansas city not there like a sore thumb. >> all different states of geographical differences. the students do not compare the tax code cannot compare because there are different needs. i feel very clearly how we can take someone called stone needed funding i.d. tell exactly. the water company? yes a show where that comes from to create that water company and i show you how to be a global company if you want teeeighteen it is

important to get government out of the way california repealed one lot to create 1,000 businesses in three days that is how government creates businesses to get out of the way to allow us. >> kansas is no warning sign and there is a complete collapse to disinvestment schools the schools have taken massive cuts we want to stop the cuts to get back to investing in our children's future. >> there are nine states in this country with a marker for a full tax code that only like wyoming and new hampshire we are competitive governors compete their leaving california looking

for a place to go this is a great place to live and work and play to get an education we have touse stop the blame arizona first mentality i will talk to leaders and business owners to drive the economy in the right direction. >> i hear what you are saying. devil is on the west coast always at the top of job creation. companies are moving to california to benefit that seems what we debate like education. >> california is driving people and producers out it is not a well run state largest growth is net migration from california.

it is a beautiful state with innovation but they do everything they can hit may not be good for the country but intel reach straight in the direction they should take full of vintage one company last week they could not take the tax burden. >> how do we explain said job creation and the the metrics? >> invested in universities with kids that keep giving going after innovation based on san diego and silicon valley. that is the connection we need for investment in education the idea they have will taxes they capture revenue someplace else i dunno if he is proposing up

property-tax or a sales tax but if you repeal 40 percent of the state's revenue or you will raise taxes. >> but now we have the clear choice. i will take the path of rick perry you can take the path of jerry brown. texas is economic development business relocation not want to be your next governor. >> i believe arizona can be. in investing in education is going to work. it is time to make sure we have the skill to succeed in life. >> i want to see the

dollar's go into the classroom. >> he would be alright if the lawsuits were settled? >> but the base line is important to make sure how we can be responsible so this is a hypothetical but i would like to settle this with the appropriate amount of money in case techcti education -- k-12 how to best serve teachers and children. >> the baseline is important

i am open ended i want us to have the smaller base line to protect the budget going forward. at least at my house but your house they believe that i know you because there will no be many -- not be any money left spinning my sexual got it. -- my six year old got it. >> talk about graduation. they just get a lot of them because of legislation. they are not long-term high-paying jobs. >> as opposed to a standing outside picketing.

>> it requires higher taxes and more legislation. >> not with me. >> picking states i picked arizona if we did not have party politics getting in the way. just to get a vote to make something happen. >> john is right to ever since i got here in 1980 the border issue is exactly the same. not a democrat or republican has changed anything but the same is true of the education system. we have to step back to reshape the government it is critical.

>> i asked in every room is seems like 70 or 80% that is the market speaking we need to bring businesses and maximize the population of economic development and job creation. and the chief executive who is a leader can make it happen. >> get government out of the way. >> we hear a lot about this cutting income-tax republicans have been in power for quite a while b.c. these going forward. when will we get the arizona turnaround? >> when we break the gridlock to take sensible action literally i am the only one that can walk the aisle without fear of political repercussions in

to bring all the groups together in a historic moment over 35 years to put four days citizens referendum on the most egregious losses to steal the elections we turned it back on them that is important because it took everyone i was the only one that could bring that together. >> i am the other guy that has no ties and has the plans written down. it is a long shot but i am not elected but everyone agrees with the omnibus plan it is the only thing to save arizona right now. the omnibus plan.

>> but bad mouthing arizona. what is the image around the country? but yet people keep moving here. >> i love arizona i am passionate. we have an opportunity to remind the rest of the country how innovative way are with our start of the economy and denigrate environment but we have to answer the question of public education to get the job growth we had in the past. >> does it have an image? >> i do not we have very real issues but when they have moved here from all across the country a place that is warm and welcoming and optimistic but those to communicated issues to take

charge there is anyone candidate at the table that is known and loved around the country. i want to communicate that out. >> there is no attempt to repair? >> we have to be here before we were there in 1995 striking down martin luther king day. we will have us in january were the eyes are focused on the state nothing like a governor to set the new town and a new direction. >> i wish the governor moved more quickly this somehow we could renegotiate these are cultural the divisive and

bad to describe who we are. we need to celebrate our diversity to make sure we communicate a place of talent can succeed. >> would you look again? >> i said i would veto that i will bring people to the table i said this is democrat city state legislature catherine has joined my campaign reaching across the aisle i will do what is in the best interest at opportunity for all i'll the governor of the people you can tell by how they campaign i said i will listen to everyone to sleep listening to parents and

teachers across the state. >> and includes hundreds of republicans those with whom i have worked in the democratic governor with access some of the greatest bipartisan achievements we were growing and is succeeded and i carry that experience through my life i am a problem solver to demonstrate my capacity just to say bipartisan there are more than two of them. that arrogance is pervasive but talking about the reputation of arizona most people separate wore colorful personalities from arizona itself. we have great weather.

>> businesses here that? >> not so much we have to get kids you can learn so have a competency test that makes more sense it doesn't matter where you get your education we don't care we just want to make sure that you are educated so you can work on them without the whole blanket idea we have to bring businesses here we will do something bold or different here is what we consider bringing your schools to teach your kids what we need to know. >> ken day work if it doesn't have the image to attract business? >> yes. they're not all want to sit around with minimum-wage there are millions of people

that want to create the jobs we have dodd/frank that blocks we need to get beyond that to squash that loss. >> with government executive order the idea of the rule of law passed to be applied at some point. >> this is a mistake for the state's allow them to drive and there are important reasons. as part of our community their successful and served in the military it is said interest they contribute to our economy and the first thing i do as governor to repeal. second it is important they

be insured for everybody safety. this is a way to treat members of our community. >> i need to step back to how we got here it is not just one party's fault this is the federal government i have agreed with the governors decision because i will have respect and compassion for everyone but those that kept those working for taxpayers as a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws many people say that is counter productive? >> what are you doing on the southern border?

we have the state that has a wide open and unprotected border this has been going on for years we have border patrol agents by the thousands in the state but not inside our acuities so i would like us to see natalie work with county sheriffs or law enforcement agents to address issues then deal with the other issues around immigration. >> not counterproductive. >> talk border security than immigration. >> counterproductive? >> it is an mean-spirited we want to make sure they can fully contribute to economic growth their part of the community it is important we give them a tool to succeed

spinach should they be deported? >> i never said that. that is a type of governor want to be by have talked about the priorities. >> i said start with border security. >> i got the driver's license so we can get insurance for crying out loud people will still drive all the uninsured that is a big issue. and not just the dreamer's anyone shed come here on a visitor's pass we can tag them with 5% for the non nationals to go into a fund if they want medical care or whenever. rather than impose upon the taxpayers that is the distinction because

unfortunately it does not run like a business but the opposite then it is scary have to know how to spend money with government behalf to know how to make money. >>. duval: a run like a business? >> there is the difference we cannot run it like a business because there is not a profit a government cannot make a profit we can break even that we cannot even do that but as i stated before it is not normally taxed teeeighteen running government like the business? dc government should look harder? to read their elements that apply that is said different function is creating a climate but no question and

to bring accountability i did that with the board of regents moving to the productivity based model those metrics that come from experience are applicable -- applicable teeeighteen businesses in the business of making up profit but government is in the business of service. >> their intended to grow or make a profit but what you can do with the government there are business principles to pay attention to the people in which it serves the hard-working taxpayers to live within your means a budget actually mean something so those principles of read what you say and to pay attention in

this case is the best principles of government you can have from the business community. >> the arizona voters deserve to know who pay for the ads attacking you and you. do we deserve to know that? >> yes. i wished there was full disclosure of those engaging in dark many please join me to call out the dark many don't come here. no one took me up on the offer but this has become very corrosive to our ability with an exchange of ideas and those you don't know the candidates. >> but to try to get through these things? we should have state and

federal laws the arafat going away under the protocol. >> i would like to see more transparency is interesting with the person that collected the money i am just curious as your position. >> millions of dollars spent to attack meet in you did this to tear down your opponent. this is about in informative agenda. >> this has been a positive optimistic approach job creation message people need

to know what i have done with my career. the democratic tag command. >> you know, my background completely opened. use sold the business. what happened is that arbitration and? we deserve to know where you accused? >> the people the purchase goldstone greece said there was complete satisfaction. >> would you disclose your list of clients as a lobby? could you tell us your list of clients? >> there on your tv ads.

>> i would like to know what happened in that arbitration >> you did not answer the question to complete satisfaction. >> when we talk about dark money is not to be coordinated i would think there is the great penalty if any groups that have a right to expression if they did coordinated would disqualify a candidate in even more so there is more dark money that there are two debates that john and i were excluded from that is in kind advertising for republicans than democrats that is as dark as it gets. >> when it comes to these

ads shouldn't we be able to know who is behind an ad? >> republicans and democrats >> we could find those individuals that is where the trouble comes from and where it will stay. >> let's move on. access and restoration. did arizona do the right thing? >> they have done with a half-dozen speaking about aggressively with the obamacare it is a monumental failure but as our governor i want to focus on the budget situation to spend a the proper dollars for k-12 and education i am not a fan of any expansion of government the right now we

have the three year guarantee, something our next governor will have to look for ways to improve fans some ideas are more price transparency in health savings accounts. >> is there a repeal? what would you do hypothetically? >> looked at the budget the first job is to protect arizona taxpayers. because we do have the guarantee we do not want to do that civic the opportunity is for reform. everyone wants to have access to a superior health care system i one that as well i just don't think the federal government has done a good job to deliver that. >>moderator: day did what they did. >> i am running on the issues of the future i am

not as huge fan but some have gone for waivers or block grants but i do think our governor was not delivered with this very. >> is that's a good knife -- a good enough answer? >> this is of legislature that once to repeal the next. [laughter] to make up a decision he was silent on medicaid than against it what is done is done. i have had one position into my life i helped to build access in the '80s as a national access the ticket to the white house to get the first waiver to do the

successful model the restoration with a bipartisan team were correct to devastate of hundreds of thousands of health care that is harmful to do. >> everyone was to get on access the $1,000 of month or more it becomes a burden to the taxpayers. with the risk to be alive like we used to you do have to scale back access it is not a plus it is like a welfare program. that is the abysmal failure we don't want people on the government dole because they

shut down for a week to drive people into a panic because now they were dependent upon government i want to get back to the self responsibility to encourage others so when the power goes out we have a battery pack. that for word thinking is a smart idea i want to make arizona a fun place to live not just to hold onto the past. >> we can do better. cutting people off like my wife who has cancer and treatments are cut off. that is where we sit. we cannot build that type of the system can have a very detailed plan that explains how we can get the best insurance for everyone plus.

>> i think it should be health care though whole argument was switched i want to revitalize the county hospital program. this is not the government's responsibility for crying out loud. >> more people are insured because of the expansion. not a bad thing for arizona? >> and that is a good thing but what happens over the course of time? and what about putting in charge of the relationship? there is a lot of opportunity for improvement with american health care in

without that destitution system really just a redistribution of insurance benefits. why do we want to put more people on the insurance program? we can do better. that is the plate. >> the circuit breaker is of a good idea. i am confident the federal government will not walk away. the reimbursement rate is very high. if so we have the circuit breaker. we have a 90% reimbursement rate. >> did he say he was confident that the federal

government will not walk away? [laughter] >> i believe we need to move forward. they are here to help us. >> but what i do believe it is the right tool we should not use the fear to not take a fantasia of this opportunity to stabilize our economy with this type of reimbursement to make it makes sense to get out of people's health care the estimates are between 60 and 80% for all aspects in these are from people who are with compliance. but we could handle our health care ad of our pockets makes more sense then in fat -- inventing of convoluted insurance programs.