level of readiness at the right time to meet the response. the way we do that in the army reserve, and it's pain. , is i have to take money and resources dedicated for other units and push that forward or to the right to make sure i'm focus ld on getting the unit out the door for contingent or a combat mission. .. >> my question relates to

leader development. you mentioned that is one of the most important components. [laughter] >> leader development. >> s. leader development for you. [laughter] >> and why was that? and we also looking at the program, professional military education that occurs? currently having just gone through this and other active officers attend resident courses. could this also provide cost savings by integrating the dl forces to the active component to get cost savings for them and integrate the training that we achieve? >> did you understand the question? [laughter]

i did not get the actual. >> sounded like the yankees fan. >> of hate. next question. i'm just kidding. >> using captains' career fuller says an example they're is a audio component and a resident component. your question was, could we maximize opportunity for integration and collaboration, perhaps if we had guardsmen, perhaps more attending residence and also some active component experience a learning. and all of those courses throughout our pnc. >> yap. so i don't want to let speak for the general. i think there is merit to that in terms of my collaboration and integration between the components. as we all know, when you are in training together in

resident education together you build bonds and partnerships that lasted less time in some cases. the same thing could be true through, perhaps, cost savings and upper genevese. you also said something that is something that i wanted to drill in two. distance education. using captains career force this is a reserve components to my perspective on this. as we continue to partner with trade-offs on what is the contents or, excuse me, not the content, but the duration of those forces. captains' career forces, if i'm current right now, and 80 our distance learning phase couple by a two week president phase double by another 80 our and another to lead residents face.

so reserve component officers, the net effect is to complete that training, that critical training and the professional development . for two years, particularly if there are a company commander or in another position in trying to provide c2 for their unit. so it is an issue from the army national guard that we continue to remain engaged. how do we best organize the professional military education forces to recognize the customer base that is participating in those courses? >> and all kidding aside, great questions. it is really a question for trade dot. i have this discussion with general colin and general perkins, the current commanding general for sure enough. and i have had a discussion with the chief. some my opinion is -- and this actually, two and a half years ago, he as me,

why did the units fail? and i said, well, a couple of reasons. one is the culture of our army. the second is it was just too hard to integrate. the and integrated process is over the last 13 years, fighting, but think about executive education. the best way to learn and to change the culture of a large organization like the army, to make it a total force cultured is education. so you need to have a one school system where the faculty are active guard and reserve and the student body are active guard and reserve. that is the only way. my opinion to the chief, yes call we can get some operational function command, but the better place to put the energy is of a multi compote approach. and that may mean we have to look at the new pli can make it more distance learning friendly which will actually save you money. and so have the same active guard and reserve, whenever

it is, it does not matter. you're the one school. everybody gets cross pollinated. both faculty and students. they look at that very heart, but that is one of the things in order to help change our culture and promote better policy. >> we appreciate it. and i will talk to you outside after words. i will be. >> we have a question on the right. >> okay. i like the yankees. there my second favorite team. >> congratulations. i was thinking about the yankees. >> giants. sorry. [laughter] >> that is too narrow. >> yes, sir. i am the commander of the 47th combat support hospital. there are nine active duty

combat support hospitals that are part of force. as far as i no there are 13 other reserves side. and tell about the mid 2000's it was standard for combat support hospitals to do it harc rotation's once every other year. this was a means of specifically in sharing that the combat support hospital could, in fact, do is protect and defense in conjunction with the medical requirements in addressing civilians on the battlefield so we relied on those rotations to ensure that all of the combat support hospitals on the active and reserve side had standardized means of being certified he essentially to do their jobs. but those rotation's went away. and having now been in command at the 47th for six months to my can assure you that on the active duty side to protect and defend smell has been largely ignored the to, support hospitals falling in.

eventually in afghanistan. i personally deployed to haiti in 1995 where we execute our own force protection in somalia. the first one to use containers to establish its perimeter and likewise in bosnia. so i actually guess i have a request as opposed to a question. that is that their jay our qc rotation or at a minimum some kind of ctc rotation be reestablished as a standard for combat support hospitals. we have been trying to get an in d.c. rotation. unfortunately we need to be requested. they don't want to request is because we are a space hog and have lots of -- lots of equipment that has to be moved. i wonder, gentlemen, if at a minimum you would take this issue back. >> let me toss it over to jeff for his immediate

answer. let me take a look at it. you're going to have to swear allegiance to the patriots. [laughter] >> the patriots and say go red sox. say it three times really fast. [laughter] how bad you want this? >> go red sox, go red sox, go red sox. >> i will take it on. [applause] >> i will honestly take a look at that. talk to you a little bit about the combat support hospitals and their reserves. >> a great question. the short answer is committed as nothing to do with medical service corps or combat hospitals but how we get our nailers into the box. this has been a problem historical for a long time. it doesn't matter. it's a question of not having enough bandwidth to get them all into the box at a ctc rotation. so in order to do that we would have to expand and

increase the number of rotations that were conducted. we cannot currently find that in the army based upon sequestration paresis sequestration is going to hurt all three components. so what we are doing is, the army reserve and first army general miller mentioned that cst yes, and these are not large, enabling exercises. , support hospitals. and they are often connected to ctc rotations. just work with me here. first army is supporting that. the plug and play and participation with the construction program where your part even though you're not in the physical location. that is why we are doing now

to give you that better experience. dear charging eventually get you into the box itself. that won't happen likely for most of our inhalers and so we see some relief from sequestration. it is not the answer you want. >> let me also just if i could. if you could help address. the strains with the combat support. >> duct into the microphone. >> it does not matter. and system as described, they replicate the battlefield of the way back to communications. and number of exercises where we can get you to those exercises. with the outpouring that we provide to my have my own

medical training taskforce that is specifically designed to overcome the nation. and the reserves. to help evaluate and give you all of the outpour and opportunities you want to protect it and evaluate the medical skills. so there is opportunity out there. that is what total force policy is all about, looking across the stovepipes and looking across the components and leveraging the capabilities of all three. >> i need to apologize. for some reason i am thinking of general miller. forgive me. thank you. >> this past summer we had to deploy out there simultaneously. they have a battalion. they give him a company of engineers to do again.

it was awesome training, and we will sustain that. >> said about 20, 25 minutes left, an effort to end too many questions or 21 minutes questions. >> i, my name is derek smith. thank you, general command everyone in the panel for your discussion. i am glad that he jumped up here for a second. wanted to piggyback off of what he said. [laughter] >> part of the services like company offers and productive of provides medical readiness. was worry if he could expand have that is force protection. >> medical readiness and how that fits into the forest policy you have been discussing today. >> of the individual soldier rory talking about units of.

>> for the soldier. >> the individual whom. >> of the italian. >> you want to take that on? >> i can give even a perspective on that. first and foremost, the army national guard assisted about eight @booktv 87% medically record to five medically ready today. the highest of all three components so i can get that in there. [laughter] >> yankees fan. the lions as well. >> i would offer that if i understood your question, the linkage between an eds total force policy, the things we have been talking about, i think there is a direct link between the medical status of our men and women the surf and operational employment and engagement. if you don't have one, it's

difficult to have the other. so we have, and after this issue over 13 years to that historic high that i just talked about. so sitting here today if the general lee to reach out to an army national guard unit he can have some assurance that the soldiers in that unit are medically ready to deploy, and that is operational readiness, that is part of being an operational reserve that the army national guard is for army. it is critically important in my opinion that we continue to sustain the medical readiness in the army national guard because the cost to rebuild that readiness when needed would be so much more. so i think the investment to sustain it is worth it. in terms of operational employment of the army national guard. >> medical readiness, the highest it has ever been for

individual soldiers and the unreserve. it is going to go down. i have to cut the support for individual medical readiness support to individual soldiers, which means i will rely more than ever on general tucker and first army. i may have to cross level more because i could not take individual soldiers that are not medically ready . remote sites and rely on general tucker tell me get them to that level of medical readiness. the bottom line is it won't be as responsive. i don't know if you want to add in. >> you know, we touch these type of subject very carefully. this is a unit chain of command responsibility. first army is not the unit chain of command. we conducted assistance on behalf of the force, commander. and so leave with it involved with medical wettest as we beginneth a

notice of mobilization and begin to do but we call a joint assessment with an organization as they prepare. so we do a joint assessment and began analyzing their readiness as a unit commander says. we do to of those year. we did 37 -- 38,000 this year. i will do about 21 and a half next year, about 15 the following year. of course, some things may change, but specific to the point is that we get after individual medical readiness, the joint assessment as a unit gets mobilized, and we track that with the unit commander and his chain of command present all the way prior to mud and then through the mobilization. >> just one point on that as far as the individual medical readiness is concerned and prior to, let's say, a mobile base to

the mobilization alert at which time the alerted reserve component member would then be eligible for try care prior to that and at any time during their the reserve component can enroll in try care. and for $50 a month, you know, you can also address your medical readiness that way. so that is something that needs to be considered we're talking about individual medical readiness is the availability of try care reserve select. >> question at the front. >> wicked red sox fan. >> on the question -- my question has to do with medical readiness functionally of the units themselves. i, too, was a combat hospital commander and a

brigade commander. the one enter service workings that i saw work well with the medical units when the bullets hit the ground as far as surgeons doing trauma surgery, assistance learning how to assessed about a pass instruments. and years ago, not that many, we had a number of initiatives with kings county, new york with miami-dade trauma center. i presently serve as the ambassador. and i am very well acquainted with a lot of the institutions who have expressed interest in having a reserve component physician and fs t members drill for lack of a better word under their auspices and the trauma centers. but it seems to have fallen into some sort of disarray. this was the type of thing that is an ambassador.

the guidance on this type of training. >> so is there the possibility for potential now for reserve components positions to train alongside their active component counterparts in centers except for? tell a let's just take that on. i am not as familiar with it as i probably should be. >> you are new. >> yes. thank you. thank you, general. >> he is the director of the partisan initiative. we're actually doing is pretty have selected reserve units that have developed for our relationships with public hospitals, private hospitals, and they already knew the exchange and the training, coordinated battle

sundries and locating various folks with a train at the hospital, the private public hospital and in units. so we are doing is an expanding pizza to your point. >> the plethora of trauma centers. we're always looking for them. >> you are to enable individual training. >> and talking about individual training or sending the f testees as an example. of three in new england are on a diploma roster. and it would -- and everybody, if they could drill as a functional entity rather than wait until we come across. >> we're doing that for the mission, but from an operational perspective the jump in right there to your left, he is my 357. so he's got it. we can take those units and look at how we can plug and play into uses as a civilian capabilities in the boston area as a prep for missions.

>> thank you. >> volunteer for service. that's good. >> we have another question in the center. >> question about the lagard reserve. does it force, anticipate the commission on the army structure? and do you think -- >> is forced, anticipate what? >> that congress will ask for permission on the structure of the army overall. >> i have no idea. i am. so therefore i do not know if congress is going to commission. but maybe there are others out there. again, i don't know. steve has no? >> i have heard topic of it. i cannot speak for congress. i don't have any specifics to it. maybe one of you guys. have you seen anything?

>> a bill and the house and the senate. live up becomes law which we have established, they will report back this up to the elected leaders. i don't know whether it will become law or not. >> i don't know. i don't know if this going to happen are not. i don't know. >> another question? >> said on have any satisfactory answers for you. >> another question. >> british army exchange officer. hq ba. i would like to talk about in strain if that is okay to all the panelists. currently the projections for the 2015 and 2017 and got forbid the sequestration and 2019 all have the upper portions of the active component, the national guard component, and the army reserve component almost identical at around 46, 34, and 20.

the wrong order but the right numbers in percentage terms. barry broadly agree and endorse those percentage split between those three components? and if any of them have an opinion as to whether there is a tipping point below which they would tend to disagree that they should stick with that percentage split. >> jack, i mean, first of all, there is no one up here that is as adonis. so we can't predict for certain whether a sequestration will happen and not. so what the army has done, was secretary mccue has done and chief on the near has done for the total army is establish fundamentally which offense. we have options. depending on the conditions that occur. we do know that if sequestration continues the numbers are going to not be good, but it won't just be a numbers game preserve will be numbers and strengths.

what we are -- but it will be a lot of those things to readiness, so on and so forth. all of that collectively will suffer. is it that support? add all know. i hear that term all the time. i read the book. but all have a lot of time for concepts like that, but i don't know. the whole point of the book is you can't predict that to depart ahead of time. canallers are getting from my store perspective and realized he just went through to pinpoint. so you can't figure it out ahead of time. that is part of the book. so i don't know. i cannot predict if that would be a tipping point. i do know that in my estimates, in my estimate in this situation as a senior leader, commander that sequestration would be not good for the readiness of the united states military at large and the readiness of the united states army in specific, and that is all components of the united states army. with respect to the options going forward, the numbers going forward, you know, the

number access and the number why and the number see and their numbers after that. i would almost say at this point you are almost rolling the dice as to which one of those numbers will become the real number. and there is a lot of room between those numbers that people would talking about. right now we are for active component, i will use that as the example, the we are also working the national guard and reserve component pieces as well. but we figure that the base case for 90 in the active component side and then there's the possibility come with a significant possibility of going to and active component. and if sequestration continues you could see it go lower than that. and i have seen a wide variety of members tossed out. the proportions between guard and reserve, the guard

reserve and active component, that is a great question. right now the options we're looking at keep them, roughly speaking, around the same. but depending upon the situation, depending on conditions, depending on what is required in the world, depending on what we've foresee in terms of resource and down the road, those proportions could change depending on what the senior leaders want to do. and there are lots of options out there. i would say that right now it is too early to tell in terms of specific numbers for those particular years. if you were to ask that same question in february, next february, i could give you a better answer as to what direction it's going beyond. probably about 90 days to rally in terms of giving you a specific answer to that, at least from where i stand.

and i will let these guys take a swing at that one as well. maim want to make comment on it. >> well, the numbers. >> now. >> to general tally first. >> avoid contact mode. >> i think the short answer is -- and i have testify this before congress a number of times. if we stick with the president's budget the army reserve would go from 205 to 195. and that is manageable risk. that is risk that we can accept and still meet emission requirements. if the budget control stays all of the land and does not change, i will be driven down to 185 for the next three, four, five years. add 185, that is a significant risk in terms of my ability to support the army because the army

reserve allies oppose the army but the total force purely as i already said up front, combating command. and general miller, you said we are about 90 days before you have some clear visions as to what the congress and elected civilian will do on that issue. what i would say is, it is not so much about the inner strength of the army reserve it is about the readiness of what you've got. so when i have people talk to me about, well, the sky is falling. you're going to reduce your in strength if sequestration stays in place. that is not the real issue. it's what do i have and is it ready to go do something to help our army and the nation? answer you can keep my in strength at 205 which is what it is as of right now, and strength the objective to 05. it will drop to 202, but even with 205, if that isn't

ready than the yen's strength becomes kind of a new discussion. sir you cannot separate the and strength and discussion apart from the readiness. >> and i think the key thing is what they just mentioned, ready to do what, and i mentioned that in my comments this morning. readiness for what. talking specific numbers is almost an exercise in futility lsu related to some sort of strategic purpose for strategic objective for which the united states is trying to achieve progress of those numbers might be perfectly fine for a range of military operations, but if you start looking at other type potential things the united states could be involved in and you have to start asking ourselves some serious questions. and i don't know if you have ever read a book, this kind of war. the subtitle is a lesson in unpreparedness. and it is written about the korean war, 1950.

and it talks about the 21st infantry, a guy named lieutenant colonel smith, american lieutenant colonel smith and the army in japan at the end of the war, a member of the 24 the infantry division. and he was a tank and in the 21st infantry regiment. so you although the story, 25 july 1950, austria attacks across the border south korea with about 80,000 north korean soldiers who are extremely committed to their communist cause. they come across. the south korean military was fundamentally constabulary, but rudimentary light infantry forces, some american advisers were there, but there was not a significant amount of combat power there to resist the number three attack paris of the united states at very short notice, within days, president truman decides to go ahead and commit the u.s. forces under u.n. mandate to the peninsula of south korea.

so he commits the 24 activision under the general teen. anyway, he comes over, crosses the straight and gets into the south korean peninsula. the south korean or the 24th division starts working its way up the road. and they get out around the 21st industry to five infantry regiment and they get up there and start setting up this defensive perimeter to form an engagement area to stop the north korean onslaught coming down the western corridor. in lieutenant colonel smith is looking out. he sees north korean tanks, tea 34 spirited start shooting rounds at him. rounds start paying off. to make a long story short, colonel smith gets over run. in fact, the 24th division got hammered pretty hard. the north korean arms lot continues.

macarthur does is left hook. one thing ways to another. war settles out after about six months in this battle, a stalemate. three years later after 38 does americans killed. but there are a lot of skills to most of those 38,000 killed were killed in that war of movement at the beginning. and the united states army in 1945 was unparalleled in the world. the united states military was unparalleled. the navy, the air force, marines, the army air corps. but in 1945 it was on parallel with power. you did say that the soviet military was pretty significant and had a lot of numbers, did an awful lot of damage to nazi germany, but the united states military was something to be old in the fall of 1945 after the signing of misery, the

japanese. five years later, only five years that military is 10 million strong, 300 aircraft carriers plus 50,000 b-s, 89 combat divisions to be that military is five short years from the most powerful organization on the face of the earth to an atrophied organization that was in the army of occupation of japan where platoons had three strong as ours was to have three and ended up having to, companies are supposed to have three platoons and ended up having to. where company commanders and the tenants instead of captains and the tightness or captains and majors, there was not enough ammunition to go out and shoot on the rifle range. there were doing in some regard garrison tidy and went out there aggressively training, bordering the nation was not up to date. anti-tank weapons and so on and so forth. and they just heard them

talk about drops. and the blame of all of that is equally shared at the national level, a civilian and military at that time rehab policy failures and so on and so forth. and also but at the tactical level, the company commander, the battalion commander, the regimental commander who were not forcing standards of readiness at the time. it was all shared, and what did it end up being? what is the cost of all of this to the real message of sequestration? my messages warning. be careful. it does not take long to rip and army apart. be careful what we ask for because what happens when you reduce the readiness of your force, it is the size and/or the readiness, you pay the butcher's bill eighth. he paid:00. you paid in the blood of american soldiers and say it was chairman and marines.

they've been dead bodies to men they are our dead bodies and it is paid in time where it takes a long time to recover where you might have to take months to retrain or regenerate a force that can counterattack. so we have to be careful as we go forward. we have to be very, very careful. that is with the other service @booktv not just him, and the secretary of defense and the secretary of the services, the bells are all ringing. people paying close attention to what the service chief in the service secretaries are all saying, they're saying be careful, united states, united states people come the united states congress. be careful as we go for it because having a defense budget is an expensive proposition. if you want to be a global power you have to pay for a command the only thing, the only thing that is more expensive than fighting and winning a war is fighting

and losing a war. that you don't want to do. you don't want to be fighting and losing a war. readiness matters. the exact size is going to be open to lots of puts and takes over the next amount of months and maybe your to combat readiness is fundamental. we have to maintain the readiness of a level to achieve the national security objectives call whenever those happen to be as directed by the national authorities. so it is a tough situation we're going into. there's a saying when i was a captain. there was a saying called no more. and that was drilled into our head by then chief of staff of the united states army, general gordon sullivan who now happens to be the head of a usa. that stuck with me, that is where the story comes from. and that book was required reading of all of us in the basic and advanced courses back in the day.

i encourage you to read it. it is all about unpreparedness and it is a good morning today as it was then. >> not on the money. >> again, these are -- these numbers have been around for a while here. fyi 15, the army national guard will come down. three and a 50,000. by the end of 17 under the current budget it will be 335,000. should budget control act to amend a law of the land, which it is common 19 would be 315,000 for the army national guard. and so characterization's of risk against strategic guidance has been characterized for all three components, particularly at the dca level.

but to general motors points this is about puts and takes over the next time and it is an uncertain world. >> yes. think i will let the chief officer speak for himself, but publicly and in testimony if i recall he has characterized the risk. sequestration, i think he has stated, i think the secretary has as well that the national security objectives as outlined in the current national security strategy would be placed at risk. and some very difficult choices would have to be made by senior civilian leaders as to what it is you're going to do and what it is you're not going to do okay. next question. thank you for that question. >> yes, ma'am. >> you bt, very small business. we have about 200 employees. and when the sequestration had last year what i did was

before i could give my employees their paychecks are made each one of them write a letter to our local senators and congressman asking them to stop sequestration because it was close in terms of our employees getting laid off because of the more of the basis. what else can we do as small business is it kind of talk. >> i don't want to give a cop out, but i will give you a cop out. members of the executive branch, and i can give advice as to what political actions you take or home to lobby to do what say all of us are not in the business of saying stop four-star sequestration. we are saying, if sequestration continues then the following other things happen in terms of risk and readiness. tried on know if you remember the movie.

so anyway, there was a guy they're named joe friday. so we're like the facts only kind of guys. so we can't -- we should not render opinions, so the speak, and it would be inappropriate for any of us here to say we think he should do the following to generate political momentum in congress to start or stop political action. that is not our charter. we don't do that. but i do appreciate the comment and the question. >> the second question. >> yes. >> thank you again for your service. >> i tried to dodge that. your wrong to carry me again. [laughter] >> excellent. >> i must say, you do look very serious, but you have a great sense of humor. thank you. >> yes. [laughter] when in pain is always good to have humor. >> it does take more muscles to frown than it takes to smile. but my next question, a

small business does a lot of technical planning to put the soldier in theater or locally. we have been trying to get new technologies to make anything that makes it easier for the soldier to prepare either the tank technically or to do well to service it. but we seem to be familiar know, still living in the old basis where they want to see our drawings. and i just wanted to know what he thought. >> it is interesting you mention that. because i actually looked into this with the last few weeks as commander. and to me know, perris sample, p.m. c.s. manuel. no. he is moving upper. but the requirement on any piece of military equipment is still to conduct before, during command after

operating shacks. so if i'm driving a vehicle or generator, whenever. the problem is we no longer print those manuals, as an example. so now we see the combat training centers, we are a maintenance that has degraded as a result of not having a manual that gives you the technical checklist to gut and a conductor before, during, or after operator checklist. said the idea that we have to get electronic devices in as -- now, some soldiers are out there with their iphone is telling that stuff, but that is not right. that is their own personal stuff. so we are taking a look at some things in order to harm the soldiers or at least the leaders of the capability did do what they're doing

down here in order to have electronic manuals and electronic checklist's out there for something as simple as technical manuals and something as simple as doing operator checks. and we're also looking at printing smaller camino, and said the printing the entire manual maybe we just printed checklist. so there are a couple of work around as we transition from an industrial age paper base military to a much more complete information space paperless military and sometimes in the distant future, and we are somewhere in between and having to come. but the effect is real and that the equipment, you have to have a guide or checklists to go by when doing those things. i appreciate. i don't know if you have any comments on that. >> well, you know, this is a

huge problem for the total force. and the young soldiers today i challenged. tinia picture that points to that linkage or whatever it is that needs to be adjusted checked. they did not spend a lot of time around mechanical things as other generations have been written so that need to have a picture that shows them what to check. at the same time the mid managers in the army over the past ten plus years have relied a lot on contract maintenance when deployed. and so we have not been deployed on not necessarily our war fighting equipment. and so now that they are back, and we are generating readiness at home station and prove that our combat training centers and other exercises, we are challenged to maintain readiness of the level we used to. the entire army is really,

really challenged without to maintain our equipment so that our fully mission capable rates are commensurate with our total army readiness. it is a real challenge. >> go red sox. [laughter] >> okay. so we have time for two or three more questions, and then i will have to start turning down. is there another question? over here to the right. the man who is exiting. he's leaving, going back to new york. very good. so other questions? >> i was rooting for the red sox last year. what lessons do you have for our friends and allies? >> he said you're a senator? >> worked for senator dan coke. this one to make sure wasn't talking to a senator.

>> lessened learns to you have for our friends and allies who have struggled with the same issues of the total force? >> well, it is interesting you say that. we as force commander are looking the army forced generation process. and the process is broadly where her was seven or eight years ago, 2005, something like that in that range. jittery brigade combat teams cannot generate more of them in order to deal to provide forces in afghanistan and iraq. and it was very latest arrival basis. a very predictable modeled in -- it became that we knew where we were going and were put on a conveyor belt.

and we, as leaders, check our units and we got to trading. instead of training our units we got to train by the bigger army. and me or put on this treadmill and then we were deployed over to afghanistan we were very well-trained. so we knew where we're going and we knew the time line. so we knew it well ahead of time. and then when we returned we had a big ready this clip where we would drop our readiness levels and status and cycle back through that system and bring their readiness back up. and that was kind of what we did for, i guess, the last a-plus years of so. so we're looking at how to do this differently as we go forward. across all of the components, and it is not a

easy problem. one of the things we did his look at other armies. so we ask ourselves, how does the british army divorce generation? has the french army doing, the german army, the israeli army, the japanese army, have various armies. we look in all these different models. look at the u.s. army, the u.s. navy air force marines in special operations forces. we're still in the process of analyzing it. we have not come to a final magic solution. but here are some basic things that we know that we're going to have to have, some characteristics in this revised model were forced generation process as we go forward. we know that the output, the product, the force generator, you know, the units, we know that we're going to have to produce a product as global.

so your the chief of staff of the army say camino, the globe poll, globally responsive or global force, you hear that the route. regionally engaged. so we know that we have to have a force that is global and we have to have a force that is regionally capable of being regionally engaged in combat commander face zero operations. so we know that. we know that the force has to be agile. so we know that the force, the product we produce has to have the ability to move quickly and respond to different situations. it has to be agile. as to really respond to the left, to the right. the future is unknown. there are a couple of other seminars of the army operates concept, and one of the key fundamentals and the army upper in concept is, we have to plan for the unknown and when you have to plan

for the unknown we have to look at the situation around the world and not bank on any given particular area of operation. it could be mountains, desert, a jumble, this, that, the other, places. we have to be very agile, very flexible, and very adaptive in our capabilities , and that we have to tailor those capabilities at the last minute to whatever the situation is. and the other thing that we have to have this because we are the united states of america and we have global responsibilities, one of the key tenants that the general wants us to implement with this model is that we are to not only partner with the reserve component and the national guard with the active component, but to facilitate the connective tissues of what we call the

land powered, the global lan support network. so we see officers in this room here, noncommissioned officers in this room from other countries' armies. those countries are generally speaking friendly to us. otherwise they might not be in this room. so we want to build the relationship to those armies so one of the tenants of this model is that we are generating forces that are capable and have an understanding of other countries' armies and that we are working very, very closely together in order to build a global manpower network. so the short answer is, we know that if it is a no hitting more on the one hand on the range of military operations or if it is something like responding to an ebola crisis. we know full-service that we, the army, are going to go multi component. national guard reserve and active. full well we will the joint,

army, navy, air force, marines. and we also know we are not going alone. the stars and stripes and not going to do stuff because it does not make any sense. we will go with allied partners and/or friendly nations that want to participate in whatever is we're doing. it is fundamental, a key that we work with our allies and friends. my last command was in afghanistan as the international security assistance forced joint command or i jaycee as it is called, the ground force in afghanistan. we had 54 nations in that. my commander was chairman. my chief of staff was british. planners from all kinds of different countries. and then we command-and-control american units but also been taught to of italian, german, french, british, so on and so forth, all of the yunis

the robber in afghanistan. fifty-four might not be the number for west africa. might not be the number. by the ten nations are five nations are a hundred 504. i don't know, but we do know that working with other countries is going to be fundamental command a product we produce is also going to be adaptable and flexible enough to work with other nations military's because they bring all kinds of expertise to a battlefield that we may or may not have. it is important. i've got time for two more three manage questions or three too many questions. >> thank you for being here. i am a retired army person. and i was in in my. this will piggyback nicely on what you were just saying by the way, go bruins.

when i was in service we never had enough linguists. we never had enough for an area officers. so the point where i get pulled out of dia one day to go to you, for the partnership for peace, estate partnership program, and it was a marvelous program. think it is still working. my question or comment is hell are we doing on beefing up people with the foreign knowledge in the four experience? and not going to go into embedded people. add all think it has to reach that point, but people who can really work and understand our allies. several times i had to pull my boss of a meeting and say , sir, you really can't say that to these people because of their history. his response was, dammit, we are paying for it. that is totally immaterial to their culture. >> i don't have

unfortunately. she is agee to. and they have this type of things. let me take a stab. first of all, i concur that we, the united states, in general as a society and as a military in particular to not leverage our cultural and specifically linguistic skills to the level that we should. we don't require as mandated amongst our officers, you know, secondary languages. so when you're dealing with a soldier in the german army or the swedish or the cynosure of a norwegian oil wherever you will find in a european army that they will speak of the languages. you will find many of the asian countries will at least speak english as a second language. so many features officers speak at least two and in many cases multiple

languages. so that is important for us, i think, to improve our ability, our office specifically among the officers to our ability to speak languages. on the flip side, we are a nation of immigrants. we are a nation, a polygon nation of people from every country in the face of the years. and within the boundaries of the united states we a people that speak every language of the entire earth and within the army we have that capability as well. so one of the other things that we have to do is make sure that we have an accurate inventory of who amongst us in uniform speaks a variety of languages as a native speaker so if, in fact, we have to go to haiti you can just dial up your data base and get all the creels speakers out of the army, navy, air force, marines and test them for a meal six week deployment. so having an inventory of

all the soldiers and not just shoulders but to of soldiers throughout the entire military of this piece for languages, and it is remarkable how many people we have in uniform that a native speakers. they don't need 1 ounce of language training. their native speakers. we cover every single language on ours. i would say that the program has been strengthened recently to my belief, not only through its training programs and its professionals asian, but we have also strengthen the program through x promotions which is not insignificant. if you look at some of the general officers elections, you will see that represented. but i agree with the general premise, we have plenty of room to and approved as a military and as an army specifically, specifically in the language training. i actually think we're not too bad cultural understanding. we have got a lot better at

it commander think we're pretty good with working with allies. but that is all we have been doing. we have some big institutions built up, but the language training is different. that is very specific, a hard skill, it is not something that we as a society have really develops of the levels that uc in other societies and we certainly can do better. anyone else have a comment? >> i would just also add that i do think that we have an incredible capability and capacity in the army at large, but i will speak to the army national guard in capability, you know, our 300th military intelligence brigade, and with that offers the army is so we're already doing which is total force policy where those soldiers with the skill sets, it takes an incredible amount of time to evolve and mature. the ability to bring that capability and capacity to bear both in the title ten

status but also entitled 32 status on our normal drill weekend or annual training would reach that capability and to the 300 to the ascc. it ..

but we have a great army and my guys as you may have heard there is nothing that we won't do that we must consider in everything we do the total force the national guard reserve into the act every single day as we go forward in training our leadership development. thank you very much. see appear if you have a sidebar specific question for just a few minutes we will be happy to answer that one but i don't want everyone later than we already are. so thank you very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

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now up to the first debate between illinois democratic governor pat quinn and republican challenger bruce rauner. governor quinn served as governor since 2009. after then, rob dugway of which was impeached on corruption charges. a list of the race as a tossup. if the debate took place in a p. r. e. a illinois comes courtesy of wptv. >> life from the wptv studios on the river front of this is the illinois gubernatorial downstate debate. this program is produced in partnership with the public broadcasters of illinois into the league of women voters.

>> good morning i'm proud wsiu public television and i will be the moderator of tonight's debate between the two major party candidates for governor of illinois. candidates are incumbent democratic governor pat quinn of chicago seeking a second photo whereas the chief executive command of the republican nominee bruce rauner the libertarian candidate chad graham is not taking place. the place he received less than 10% in the nonpartisan poll prior to the event. the minimum required for the presentation. the candidates will be questioned by the journalists and they are amanda in the statehouse bureau chief for the illinois public radio, wilson of wp tv and the executive director of the illinois issues magazine and a radio. we are going to start with a one minute opening statement, the order of which was determined by an offstage claim costs and the

statement will go to governor pat quinn. quinn: good evening everyone. when i took the oath of office five years ago, it was a pretty tough time for illinois. we had a former governor in jail and another one going to jail. we had to face tough laws. we also had the great recession to cause great harm to many people that lost their job and a huge deficit. i'm grateful for them but we've been able to make hard decisions to help the state move forward. we were able to cut the budget and remove the funding by about $5 billion. we've also been able to make important fiscal reforms and made the states that are along the way i had to suspend the legislators pay checks including my own and we got the job done for the people. right now the state has a unemployment at its lowest level in six years. jobs are up, unemployment is down and it's a very important that we keep together and work

together investing education we've been able to increase the investment in education and that has helped the state grow jobs. the best way to go is to stay in this correction and do the right thing. >> moderator: mr. rauner? rauner: thank you to the people of peoria and the people joining us tonight. i'm here because i would like to work with you. i loved illinois and i would like it to become the best run state in america. i've been blessed in my career for terrific result working for illinois teachers and police officers by investing in the pension money and then giving back to the schools. the red cross, the veteran services. we've driven results and i want to do the same now to turn the state government around. over the last 12 years the state has lost its way. a small group of chicago machine politicians got control of the government in springfield and they led us down a bad path. high unemployment, crime, low

wages, deteriorating schools, high on employment. we lost our way in the state and the need to turn around. i can't be bribed or intimidated. i can stand up to the special interest but i'm not going to take a salary or pension and i'm going to dedicate my work to to restoring the prosperity for the families of illinois and bring back the american dream for every family by growing our economy and having the best schools in america. i look forward to going to work for you. >> moderator: the candidates each get a minute to answer the question at the first comes from amanda for bruce rauner. >> moderator: i hope this will be an easy question to begin the evening. in this age of hyper partisanship the governors are also seen as a dirty word in some political circles, so which member of the opposite party who is currently either in or is running for office do you most admire or feel like you can work with and why? rauner: through the process

the last couple of years as i've been running for governor i've taken the time to get to know the members of the general assembly personally. republicans and democrats. i spent a lot of time getting to know the democrats and works closely with them to solve problems on a bipartisan basis. i highlight jack frank the representative from the mchenry area and i look forward to working with them and troy hudgins in the leader of chicago white look forward to working with her on education and other issues and i have a proven record in the private sector working with people from all backgrounds to solve problems and get things done. i was asked by the mayor in chicago to take over the changes that were needed as a board member to make sure that we are competitive for the convention business and we make the changes they are and restore the conventions and we put in a new staff and marketing and today chicago is one of the fastest growing. i work with republicans and

democrats and weevils or problems together. quinn: i get along with everybody and i believe in civility. i really than somebody that is from my hometown that it's going to be the head of the regional transportation authority. we worked at a junior high school in illinois and our folks got along with him. we don't always agree on every single issue that we worked on important reforms. the pension reform was bipartisan and we had a democrats and republicans working together. i think it's important to do that and the best way to go is to do what we've done to get the state back onto the job track and in the recession to build roads and bridges in the water systems into the schools and we did that and a bipartisan way i work with the legislative members of both parties >> moderator: anything else since he's no longer a senator?

quinn: i think that's certainly the leader of the republicans in the house worked with us in the pension reform and i enjoyed working with him. >> moderator: mr. rauner, anything to add to that? there were many members of the general assembly and i will work very closely with them on a personal basis the website of conduct questions from the public and the number one topic that they submitted by far was about jobs not surprisingly so that in mind caterpillar is one of the largest economic drivers in the state of illinois. the company deleted the announcement of the corporate headquarters but hopefully stay. some are manufacturing at the plant out of state. if you are elected governor, what would you specifically do to ensure that the manufacturing firms across the state stay and

create private-sector job growth and illinois? rauner: we worked with other manufacturing companies because we had so many auto supply jobs in illinois as well as companies like christ where i became the governor with chrysler and belvidere we had a 200 jobs and we now have 4,500 manufacturing jobs. the same way for him this time to be the same the same set of chicago. now they have three shifts around the clock. mitsubishi heavy normal product line and they worked with each and every one of the companies and it's important to have skilled workers, well-trained workers we provide the training wherever possible and incentives are not only for big businesses by small businesses and there's a reason why so many small businesses have begun to grow in the last five years. we emphasize education and working together with these companies. and i think that is the best way to help the company's growth. >> moderator: mr. rauner?

rauner: since he came into office illinois has lost over 40,000 manufacturing jobs. i was very honored to receive a personal endorsement of the ceo of caterpillar early in the selection. he's been an outspoken critic of the business climate in illinois for the hospital to the manufacturing firms with regulations and taxes and as long as that is true we can to grow our economy and solve the problems facing us here in illinois. manufacturing jobs on average of about $64,000 in pay and benefits and create another two and a half jobs on average but manufacturing economy is critical. i will work closely with manufacturing firms to make sure they stay here in peoria and i would make sure that they invest their headquarters by making sure the business economy is strong and thriving and i'm honored to be endorsed by the association and the chamber of

commerce. we need to make israel progrowth in order to fund our schools and countries and into the state around. rauner for bruce rauner. they would play a large role implementing to cut carbon emissions. do you believe climate change is happening and is man-made and what is your take on the obama administration plan to cut the carbon given that the state directs most of its electricity to cold? rauner: we need a broad-based portfolio option in illinois. i do not belief that think too much on any one sector is prudent. we need a broad-based and we need the energy independence for america and would like to see that also for illinois. i believe we can have the renewable energy resources. we could have and should have the further development of the windfarms for the solar energy and renewable resources by also believe that we can be prudent in our energy development in the more traditional resources. we have incredible energy opportunity in southern illinois

was cold and oil and gas in hydraulic fracturing. it can be a massive job creator and tax revenue generator if we have a broad-based portfolio of options and every capability in that regard. quinn: we do have to reduce emissions and take on the climate change. we just have to care about tornadoes and other places in illinois the severe weather is something we have to pay attention to and reducing the emissions as part of the job for all of us and since i've been governor, the state has erected many wind turbines across illinois and wind energy and solar energy but on the roof of chicago where they have the solar collector's world-class we also have to believe in energy efficiency and we have invested in that in illinois. our only stated the only one that is in the top ten of energy

efficiency states in the country and we have been able to do that and in my time as governor we invested in the efficiencies of one of the best ways to reduce emissions and help grow jobs these are clean energy jobs that create good paying jobs for people by reducing the need for energy wherever possible. and i think that the state of illinois can be a leader in this area. we have good workers that are well-trained. >> too many incumbents are running for office and are more concerned with the higher tensions give the voters. the quote from you in 1994 in january when you were campaigning to bring the term limits to illinois now you are running for office to complete what would be ten years as the governor and the consecutive years and the executive branch. what has changed coming up for you you often brag about the lack of the government experience name one time you hired someone to serve at the

executive level as the ceo and how did that go? quinn: i led the efforts and we collected nearly half a million signatures. having the term limits for each office is a good thing for illinois and i think it demonstrated early on my support for term limits its never wavered and impact in 2008 when there is a vote was a vote for the constitutional convention one of the issues was the importance of term limits for each and every office and also we've been able to pay the constitutional amendment for the recall in illinois as well as reducing the sides of the legislature of those were amendments we put on the ballot and got past. i don't think anybody should be in office for too long. i think it is important to have reasonable term limits for each and every office and we work hard on that everything disappointed that my opponent here didn't help us in 1994 when we were petitioning for term limits we went over the state and he had a great opportunity to join us and he refused to do it then and all of a sudden this

year he was a born-again term limits advocate, so i think that it is a good policy and i look forward to getting it passed. it took me 32 years to get the recall somebody got it done. >> we need term limits. i will never give up on this issue. they had the chance for six years as governor to drive the felt of the general assembly for the term limits and it has been completely silent on the issue. as the governor i will drive the term limits in the general assembly to get on the ballot and let the voters decide it's one of the most important reforms we can make and that alone with redistricting that i will push as governor can transform the country. he was asked a question earlier about experience. i've been a ceo for decades. i've lead and built the most respected investment organizations in the world and driven great results for the taxpayers of illinois and the government workers of illinois and many other states in later than great results and many other organizations in the

not-for-profit world as well and they worked in the government for the education reform, for the pension reform, for good government in many regards. i've proven the ability to solve problems, get things done and i will work on a bipartisan basis to do it. >> have you hired somebody to that little experience to work for one of your company's? quinn: i think we can look at nick schneider who became the governor and won the first election in which i will also do and turning michigan around the lake around very well. he was a successful ceo and the company. he was turning that around and we look at michael bloomberg is a successful ceo who won the first election and was mayor of new york and it is an important dramatic reforms of new york. business leaders and ceos can solve problems and get things done. it's all about executive leadership and teambuilding.

rauner: my opponent talks about results please been involved in the bankruptcies involving other companies come and baseman six of his executives indicted and convicted and sent to jail. the two of them are under indictment now and they've got 150 lawsuits against the nursing home chain and a billion dollars worth of claims of wrongful death in the nursing homes against his company. so those are terrific results with senator. >> moderator: let's get back to the format. let's turn to education. statewide advisory question on the november for the ballot asked if the school district should receive additional revenue based on enrollment from an additional 3% tax on income greater than $1 million. do you support the proposal and if so, how would you assure that

the money would go to the schools if you don't support the proposal, what sorts of what you think would you think that additional money for education? rauner: first of all, the politicians in illinois that every time they want to raise taxes for schools. he put the lottery into illinois in the schools. money doesn't end up in the schools. the current governor waited at the income taxes 60 to 70%. then he could have a billion dollars in the school funding. politicians use the schools as an excuse to raise taxes. i am opposed to putting up for the income further income tax on the families of illinois. we already have income taxes that are too high. i would like to see the income taxes will back to where they were in 2010 and two other tax refunds to generate the additional revenue. and the biggest reform would be becoming a pro- growth state where the growth of generate tax revenues generates the tax revenues and i'm strongly a believer that we have been increasing the overall education funding. other things, wasteful spending can be cut at education must be

increased in its support. i will make that the top priority for the taxpayers dollars as governor. quinn: my opponent makes up things. we've increased in the classroom by $500 million. independent fact checkers have indicated that. we also paid teachers pension prior to my arrival as governor that didn't happen. as we paid attention and increased funding in education. i think we need to do more. there is a referendum i find it to put on the ballot asking other or not millionaires should pay a higher income tax and all the money by the constitutional amendment would go to the school districts and classrooms of illinois. i think it is a good idea. my opponent to the billionaire didn't want to raise his income tax that he wants to//funding all across illinois. the budget plan would buy $4 billion. they would lay off one out of six teachers in illinois and

cause great harm to everyday people. he wants with his plan to million dollar tax cut for himself and education funding all across illinois. i don't vote for that and i think it is a good opportunity for the people of illinois at outbox to send a message to the millionaires and billionaires that they ought to pay more. >> moderator: while we are on the topic of the funding, many of the school districts can't make it on the state aid alone because the tax bases are so low that they can't provide the minimum amount of spending needed for people. the new proposal by the democratic senator would redistribute more state dollars to the district is based on their ability to pay. do you support the plan or is there a better way of ensuring they have the funding they need to provide a decent education to every student? rauner: we need to educate the investment and fund the schools more. one way to do it as the referendum that we talked about in another way is the budget

that i proposed earlier this year that would put more money in the classroom education within any other time in illinois history. also performing into the early childhood education as well as the scholarships for students to go to college. with respect to this particular proposal, i think it needs a lot of oversight and review. it passed one house in the senate. it really needs more debate. i do not favor reducing the funding in a particular school district to its disadvantage and so a much better way to go is increasing the funding for all of the school districts. that should be done first and foremost. rauner: i haven't studied the detail on the bill and i probably wouldn't support a particular bill although my dvd that we should come up with a new state education funding formula. we are ideally 48 out of 5058 state for the general support for education. that's not right. we should increase the state

support for the schools. my wife and i believe that education is the most important thing we do together as a community. there's nothing more important when you look at the challenges we face as a state and as a nation, unemployment, low wages, high crime, poverty, the challenges we face education maybe is not the solution but the major part of the solution. my wife and i have dedicated our lives to improving public education and early childhood education for decades. we are very active in this issue. governor quinn on the other hand has been in the government for decades and he has been a zero on education completely lacking any regarding education except and he cut education funding. we need an education governor and i will leave that process. >> moderator: you both claim the state cannot afford the current level of the public employees. do you think the framers of the

illinois constitution made a mistake by including the pension clause that says retirement benefits shall not be diminished and should illinois and then to the constitution now to remove the commandments plaques rauner: i don't think it is a mistake at all. i think that the contractual obligation and what is agreed to should be paid into and honored by all parties. i was opposed to the changes that were put through last november because i believed that they were unconstitutional. i don't believe that it's right to change the payments to the retiree after they are already retired and that is what the governor did in the pension reform bill. i don't think that is the right thing to do. but i've argued from the day number one is is i think that a fair thing to do and a constitutional thing to do is to freeze the pensions where they are today. don't change anything today. pay the benefits.

but for the current and future employees we should create a second pension plan that are flexible and affordable in the defined contribution. it doesn't save a lot of money in the short term it saves billions in the long run. the quinn: my opponent wants to privatize pensions in illinois. a very risky plan that has 100 billion-dollar hole. i don't think that's the right way to go. the position of the constitution protecting pensions is a good one. we did pass a bipartisan pension reform bill that i find that's now going to be in the supreme court ultimately and they would make the decision on that regarding the constitution. i do want to go back to one thing that my opponent persists in the state. we have raised funding for education despite all of the hard times we've raised our funding for the classroom education by almost $500 million. half a million dollars. and we have paid attention

amounts every single year for teachers and all public employees. governors before me did not do that. i have done that. i've complied with the law and i've invested in the pension system properly and that's why it's the best way to go if we move illinois forward. >> moderator: if the supreme court does find that the pension law that you did sign and find unconstitutional because of the clause should it be removed for the constitution? quinn: my dad taught me a long time ago don't take an aspirin until you have a headache. i don't think that it's wise at all to take something that both of the legislature the legislature and i feel or constitutional provisions before the court acts. if it acts in a way that is contrary, take necessary steps obviously but the bottom line is we have to deal with the liability problems i inherited it. i didn't create this problem.

>> moderator: wilson has a question for governor quinn. >> moderator: re: question number one on the ballot asks if the minimum wage for the adults over the age of 18 should be raised to $10 per hour by january 1. the congressional budget office says that the minimum a minimum wage of $10.10 per hour what would cause the nation to lose a minimum of -- 3,000 jobs. you describe yourself as a java governor. how does that square square the position command for mr. rauner if it is approved will you seek to implement such a change at the level i or why not? rauner: face to speculated there would be a job loss, solid academic studies that indicate that raising the minimum wage is the best way to help create jobs and help our economy. 70% of the economy is consumer spending. i favor raising the minimum wage. i got it done in 2003 and in

2007. we are going to do it again in 2015, january 1. there is a referendum on the ballot but i signed into law to give people the chance to vote for a 10-dollar an hour minimum wage. all across illinois went across the state say eliminate the wage. a person taking in $53 million a year running around illinois saying to eliminate the minimum wage is adamantly against the minimum wage. i am for raising the minimum wage. it's the best way to help thousands of people to do our jobs living from paycheck to paycheck that's give them a raise at the best way to have social justice and help people that are the heart and soul. >> moderator: rauner: pat quinn has been the governor for ten years and he has not increased the minimum wage in the period of time. if he were serious at the secret of thought than done. he's playing political football with peoples lives and economy. here's the way to deal with it.

illinois today is not competitive. we need to grow our economy as the first and foremost issue. he's been a failure on jobs under his administration. we become the lowest state of job growth in any state of the middle west. there are two ways to be competitive and raise the minimum wage. one is to increase the national minimum wage above illinois so that we are all at the same level and it's more competitive. the other way is to raise the minimum wage over time as high as $10 but do it it and come junction with the pro-business reforms tax reductions, workers comp reforms of the the small business owners afford to pay the minimum wage and the competitiveness is there and that will help our families. >> moderator: i have a two-part question as well. you like to point to the success play to the success of the governors in other states. but kansas governor cut income taxes and the effort to make the state more business friendly and

now two years later job growth is behind the rest of the country and has to cut funding as a budget shortfall. explain how your proposal to lower taxes and cover state revenues with the resulting economic growth would have different outcomes in illinois, and governor quinn you've rejected the proposal to expand the sales tax to some services even though as the sales tax on some could be crafted to avoid being raised aside -- i'm sorry, regressive idea you oppose what is seen as the change to make the revenue structures stable in the future? rauner: governor pat pat quinn s playing football on this issue. >> moderator: i would like you to address the cuts in kansas. rauner: i don't agree with the policies put in place. i would not do that. but i've advocated is that we look at our entire tax code in illinois and we reform our entire tax code to make us more

competitive. we have got to grow our economy that we cannot solve the problem by just raising taxes on families like the current governor has been doing. we need to grow. we need a pro- growth tax code and thus states have a broad-based low race ideally we should work the rate down and and broaden the base and expand the sales tax to include some services that are more business oriented rather than by the low income working families that we need to close the corporate welfare tax loopholes and modify all to become pro- growth. >> it should be on the ability to pay. nobody likes paying taxes. i don't thought we should have a tax on the ability to pay. my opponent and proposing the service tax is on the services including the garbage pickup.

people will have to pay a tax on garbage pickup with an adopted child go to someone to have a well made. those are unfair taxes. so the folks that are millionaires and billionaires always want to shift the burden onto everyday people. my opponents plan will give opponent plan will give himself a 1 million-dollar tax cut. it will shift the burden to have to pay a tax on their garbage pickup and that isn't right. we ought to have a fair tax system that invests in education. my opponent plan will cut $4 billion out of our education budget. how do you grow jobs if you are cutting one out of six teachers stops in illinois and a slashing classroom spending all across the state. >> moderator: governor quinn campaign supporters suggested that mr. rauner is trying to buy the black vote with a million-dollar donation million dollar donation to the credit

union on chicago's south side. how is that any different than the taxpayer-funded construction program for example like the neighborhood recovery initiative? quinn: i've been to washington illinois on many occasions after terrible tornadoes demolished 1100 homes in this area. and i think it's important that the state rice the state rise to the occasion to help people in by your need and the disaster in this case with respect to the violence in chicago it's important that we act and i will never apologize for making sure that we hope to keep families safe and we help keep kids on the right track. i was so happy with the little league success of this year that showed when parents work together with their for the common good, great things can happen. so it's important that we invest in those kind of things, the

afterschool programs, weekend programs from a summer job programs come and that is the best way to fight violence into the best way to help families. >> moderator: mr. rauner, can you explain why you haven't made an investment to the federal credit union before running for office and if you are elected as governor can you plan on continuing to use her pocketbook to make those investments and what do you say to those that say that it could be a conflict of interest? rauner: it's not a conflict at all. the difference is i'm using my personal money and pat quinn has been trying to use taxpayer money both in his program and in his various other programs has been running around the state using taxpayer money dropping it in certain communities to try to get the voters influence. it's wrong but that's politics in illinois. my wife and i have been very involved in the african-american community in and around chicago and other cities for decades. we are major donors to early child education.

i personally donated to find a full professorship at morehouse college in atlanta georgia which is dedicated to educating african-american leaders throughout the united states. my wife and i care deeply about the african-american community here in illinois and around the u.s.. we have been involved for decades. it's not politics. i learned about this particular credit union in the campaign trail someone brought it up to me at an event that sounded like a good program and i made an investment and i am honored to have done it. >> moderator: talking to business leaders across the area they express much more concern over the workers compensation than the tax rate. to reduce the workers compensation cost would you support the bill for the state fund to the competitive marketplace for the employers to purchase cheaper insurance policies and 25 other states have done? rauner: i driven $145,000 in

every county meeting with tens of thousands of voters. small business owners told me the number one problem in illinois is the workers compensation system. it's broken and it's full of abuse. i will make it a priority to drive real workers comp reform. the concept that you have laid out in the question is interesting. i don't know enough to say for sure but that is a program that i will pursue but it sounds very appealing based on what i heard about it so far. but i know that we can drive the workers comp like the other states do. our politicians in springfield including governor quinn said they did the workers comp a few years ago as in the reality it wasn't the real workers comp but even today the ceo of caterpillar who is trying to wrestle with whether they built their headquarters told me that it cost five times much more today. we have to change that.

>> moderator: governor? quinn: in a bipartisan way i work with the manufacturers association and the retail merchants. as a matter of fact the reforms have reduced the amount paid for the workers comp by the businesses by $450 million. of 19% reduction we are always interested in working more. we want to go back to one thing that you mentioned about the african-american community that is cared for them. he has 51 executives that have invested. not one was an african-american. i don't think that's right. i think that if you really care about the community of illinois, everybody -- nobody nobody was left out, nobody should be denied an opportunity to work in an investment firm. there are many well-qualified african americans and i think it's important that we understand our state goes forward because of our diversity because we are strong and i

don't think it's right the folks behind and that is what my opponent did. >> moderator: would you support a marketplace for cheaper policy? quinn: we need as much competition as possible. i have directed the director of insurance to try to ensure that these insurance companies are truly competitive. the more competition the best rates we can do for the business. >> moderator: would you support that? rauner: it sounds like a very appealing program. i helped to give a negative answer with something like that but something like that can make a lot of sense. >> moderator: genii done for governor quinn. >> you supported cuts to the medicaid system that were supposed to save billions that the changes failed to meet their targets meanwhile mr. rauner opposes the medicaid expansion under the affordable care act with some states have an expansion as much of the residents are currently uninsured. how would you ensure that they have access to medical coverage

and who also keeping medicaid from squeezing out funding for other areas such as education blacks rauner: we had to restructure the medicaid program and it was difficult and we passed the bipartisan bill to do that in fact did was able to make great economies. at the same time in the past year we were able to restore a member of the programs to our medicaid program because the economy is getting much better. having said that, i did sign the bill to make sure that we got money from washington to ensure that in the healthcare system under the affordable care act 685,000 people have received health coverage under the affordable care act which i support. my opponent would have the night of the funding for state. he would have sent hundreds of thousands of families who now have health insurance under the law he would have denied to them just like in texas and over in indiana and wisconsin. >> moderator: how do you plan to keep the costs in check?

quinn: the reforms are very good and they keep the cost to a reasonable level and at the same time we receive more money from washington to cover more people and i think it's important that we have this far-reaching health care coverage as we can in illinois. my opponent would have the night that. 400,000 people -- rauner: an opportunity to answer that? as i said i would not have expanded medicaid under the affordable care act the way that it was done. i don't advocate rolling back what i do advocate is restructuring to eliminate the waste and fraud. it's a mismanaged program under governor quinn. i met with nurses that work inside of the department and they told me they wanted to meet in private because they would get fired for sharing with me what's going on. the waste and fraud in the program is out of control.

some of that came to light when there was a private investigation required in the legislation to check on the enrollment in the system. they were finding that as many as 40% of the enrollees were entitled to get the benefits they were getting. governor quinn stopped the private investigation. there is waste and fraud costing taxpayers huge amounts of money. we we need a good medicaid program and i support a substantial high-quality well-funded medicaid program, but we don't have that in illinois. what we have is massive mismanagement because we do in many departments. >> moderator: certainly both of you like to talk your accomplishments and frankly, i don't blame you as some of my colleagues have however done a good job displaying some of your failures in both your leadership positions. you as a ceo, what is your biggest regret or mistake?

rauner: not every company succeeds and that is unfortunate. i wish that it were true that is the free enterprise system. occasionally and rarely some executives engage in bad behavior, unethical behavior that's unfortunate but it's a fact of life. where we found that to be truly try to take action to correct and punished those responsible. overall the track record for success is outstanding. one of the top track records in the united states and we have invested on behalf of illinois and 22 other states who generated 25% compounded annually for the teachers retirement system and we've also managed money for correction officers, police officers and

government workers in illinois that have done an outstanding job generating the retirement money. quinn: i don't think any human being is perfect. we have one regret along the way as the governor. to try to get the important fiscal reforms in the state we have to get it over again and i would have done it earlier. i think it would have made a bigger difference and save more money. i think it's important to take responsibility as anything that's going in the wrong direction. the challenge i have is the governor that is the way to go. by contrast, my opponent never takes responsibility for the things that went wrong in his empire. the nursing home scandal where people lost their lives and where they in where they have $1 billion worth of verdicts for the wrongful death of seniors fill the nursing home's or he does is take the money. he never took responsibility or did anything to straighten it

out. the same with obese businesses that went wrong under his watch and i think it's important to understand understand that six of his executives are now in jail for their bad behavior. >> moderator: what current state services does illinois need to reduce them eliminate or privatize is a savings in order to help the state meet the fiscal constraint and please, be specific. quinn: i honor the work of our public employees. my opponent is the primary demonizing public employees and i honor all of those who are firefighters, police officers, all of those that work for the public are teachers and certainly not for privatizing our teachers and all this about the charter schools. i deleted the public education that is what we should invest in. i think it's very important to understand that tonight we took in over three to $50 million in just one year he's not for

raising the income tax on millionaires like himself instead what he wants is to have the same tax rate that he has for a minimum-wage worker and he wants to reduce the minimum wage. >> moderator: what service what you cut, governor? quinn: we have cut $5 billion in the state since i've been governor in the budget and the budget level today is that the 2008 levels. this has been one of the worst run states in america. we have the ramp is spending if the waste in the system. one large example is the department of central management services. this bureaucracy is supposed to run state government. even governor quinn's on people and staff have said that if there is over a half a billion dollars of wasted spending in

the procurement process inside of the in spite of the central management services. governor quinn doesn't do anything about that because that is a part of the cesspool of the cronyism and patronage that sold the insider state government. he relies on that for his election and for the campaign cash. and that is rampant throughout the department. he's been caught increasing patronage hiring a legally inside the department of transportation. changing patronage and cronyism into the corruption to save a lot of money. experts at the uic estimated that we pay over half a billion dollars in the corruption tax because of the type of bad behavior that the governor and rob blagojevich engaged in. >> moderator: just the retirement benefits aside, should the state continue on the current pension payment schedules or should the state consider extending it into the future somewhere to the amount that has to pay command should the state consider loading the funding level for the 100% target to 70 or 80% target

should the state continue on the current payment as well at the schedules or should we consider extending it refinancing debt and taking some of the pressure off. should the state consider reducing the 70 or 80% funding level to ease the strain on the budget blacks speak a takes to create a second pension plan for the future. that is constitutional and fair to the workers and taxpayers. >> moderator: but where do we make the payments now should we change that? should we change the schedule that puts a lot of pressure than the current year in the state budget? rauner: here's the problem, the politicians have been playing kick the can down the road for decades. we shouldn't do that anymore. it's not fair to the workers would've the tight areas or the taxpayers.

what the politicians do in illinois is make promises to the workers and then they don't honor them by paying. we have to change that. the fair thing to do is to freeze the current system, honor the obligations that have been approved and paid into that create the second pension plan and a second plan can have options for the employees. more defined contribution, more defined benefits that it should be very different than the one that's been historically done, or affordable and flexible and more employee control. that is a key thing. >> moderator: every single year that i've been governor and the first governor in anybody's memory to did exactly that the previous governors didn't pay the proper amount and that is why the liability grew to $100 billion. we have to do something about it to pass the reform bill and i signed it before the court. this time we paid the appropriate amount every year. i'm definitely not for what my opponent is advocating. when you read between the lines and read all of the details

committee wants a risky four o. one k. system that does not have any proper funding that will cause great harm to public employees and the people of illinois. the whole crowd that caused such a great havoc to the economy they were the ones coming up with these schemes. >> moderator: how did you consider the current pension scam? quinn: i pay the proper amount every year in order to be actuarially sound. i'm the first governor to do and i think you have have to do it for the public employees but also for the taxpayers. we enacted reforms in a bipartisan way that will i think the best for the people of illinois. >> moderator: amanda for governor quinn. >> moderator: know that you proposed what he said with a balanced budget that relies on the extension of the current income tax level, but that didn't happen. you yourself called the spending plan submitted by the general assembly in complete and said that it postpones the test

decisions. minus the small veto you signed it into law nonetheless why did you not to veto it or call the assembly back into the special session and did not have anything to do that with this campaign for the reelection? quinn: at the 365 day here exercising we have to go back to the budget for this fiscal year after november 19 when they resume in springfield. what i want to do is make sure the schools were open and everyone was receiving proper healthcare so we had to start the budget year on july 1 and i believe as they said before that the budget that i proposed in the legislature was the best one for illinois. the three credit rating agency said that it was affordable and reasonable and that it would pay our bills and properly invest in education and health care, help our veterans and able it will get illinois to a good spot. i think using the income tax to fund the government is the fairest way to go. my opponent has a tax on services like picking up your

garbage. that's what the billionaires do. you take tax breaks for themselves, a million dollar tax break in its case and keep the higher your tax burden on everyday people. that's not right and so i think that in the course of this budget year we have to get a fair budget properly invest in schools. >> moderator: mr. rauner? >> moderator: feel free to address with some of the governor said there. but but the side of the own campaign, nobody seems to be able to meet the members of the budget blueprints add up. you said you want to get more money to the state parks, to education, to higher education. why ... and kind cutting the revenues and rolling back the income tax to 3% in four years. so, let's try it again to make that add up, please. rauner: we have to set our goals and priorities and manage. we need a competitive tax code. we will get there. we need to reduce the income tax and we will get there. we need to grow the economy which is the single most

important thing that we can do and we are failing miserably under pat to grow the economy and create jobs. nothing else will get fixed unless we are growing and creating jobs. i will drive that. we have been controlled now for 12 years by a group of chicago machine political leaders and those three controlled the government and its lead to massive debt, deficits, unemployment, brutally high taxes, deteriorating schools. we need a big change. we have to come at this on a bipartisan basis with outside of the box thinking and drive the results. we cannot fix our problems just by raising income taxes on the families of illinois. that will not solve our problems. >> moderator: the last question is for bruce rauner. >> moderator: mr. rauner you

proposed reopening some prisons and you have closed some prisons mr. quinn. rather than talking about opening and closing, what do you propose to truly rehabilitate inmates in order to reduce the recidivism? rauner: we need to reform the collection system in illinois. it's broken and mismanaged under governor quinn just as most of the department of departments of the government has been under quinn. we have a tragic situation in illinois. we have unsafe prisons. we have corrections officers with their life into their personal safety at risk. we have inmates with their personal safety at risk because we haven't properly staffed the correction system. we also incarcerate nonviolent offenders very often here, and we do a very poor job relative to other states for providing alternative routes to deal with nonviolent offenders in ways that they are more likely to receive help and avoid falling back into the life of crime and helping them find ways to get

back into the society. we don't think outside of the box. we do good innovative programs like other states do. we have to change our system. governor quinn is feeling on this cut correction officers are at risk and inmates are at risk and we have to change this. >> moderator: governor quinn? quinn: your correction officers endorsed me, not him. that's important to understand. with respect to the respect to the correction system we have a number of repeat offenders reduced. we use adult redeployed. we invest in the front end of trying to keep people out of the state prison and an alternative ways of punishing people for bad behavior. so they don't have a life of crime. we have invested in it. i've done that in the budget and the opponents were completely wrong about that. in addition when people do come out of prison, we have programs of reentry to help people that have made an offense and pay their deficit to beat podesta society committed a job and please been able to do that as well.

we have invested greatly in debt and we give tax credits to hide near the offenders and we have had expansions of the nonviolent crimes to help people get a job and those are important things. in the areas of juveniles have reduced the number who are incarcerated for using these creative techniques. so, my opponent is wrong and he has proposed a budget that would make radical cuts in our corrections budget and bob hope this budget at all. >> moderator: the candidates are now going to make a closing statement, the order of which was determined to be earlier drawing. governor quinn will be the first closing statement. quinn: i proceed the opportunity for being here. i particularly thank all of you that a volunteer for important causes in illinois. we are here in washington illinois and i was inspired by the people that volunteered to help their folks get back on their feet after the terrible tornado. at the heart of illinois and at the heart of america is the heart of the volunteer in our state we have had lots of people volunteer. when i came into office we were

going in the wrong direction and we are now going in the right direction. we have had our unemployment go down faster than any other time in 30 years come straight declines in unemployment and jobs are up. that's what we want to have in illinois. my opponent is someone that is a job outsourcer. he has led companies and and leadoff people and outsourced jobs, american jobs to the foreign land and he's opposed to raising the minimum wage and wants to cut the education budget. i don't think that's the right way to go for illinois. i want to have a future for the kids and invest in early childhood education and k-12 and the community colleges and in the four year universities and scholarships at the right way to go. >> moderator: mr. rauner? rauner: i'm honored to be here tonight and again thank you for all of you for hosting us. i look forward to working for you. i'm here because i love illinois passionately. this is how we raised over 20 and i was born and raised here and