are responding from a place of fear and maybe messages not having been crafted in a way that may make a difference in the public health response. we have that on steroids is a challenge with regards to research. they are certainly the research ethics challenges about when we will start rolling out vaccines, who gets them first, do we test, this is a place where sophisticated methodology and public health compassion can all be aligned but it takes sophisticated thinking and i had a conversation yesterday that really made me convinced that adaptive designs are the way to go so we feel confident that we are learning whether or not the treatments work while to maximize its this seems to be effective.

we know from the ethics including as we work for the last 15 years on these challenges that there is so much suspicion about medical research when it comes from the west. we saw what happens with polio and meningitis and we go in with the best of intentions thinking that you're going to hell. whether the research is sort of just taking blood for all of these virology studies, which can make a tremendous difference, we all know that it happens when we take blood and then people die and then the rumor started. where the messages have to do with them trying to understand what a placebo is an what you're coming from the united states in giving people nothing and i think that there are people -- there's more and more people trying to help your, but there's a lot of challenges. >> is there anything you'd like

at a maximum has wanted to take the opportunity to talk about the kind of research that we are doing in liberia and as i said, being part of hopkins, people look to us for behavior change and communication change as experts to be able to attribute the effects to the interventions that were designing. so the kind of things that we are trying is a media monitoring system to see how messages are trending, we are involved in knowledge and attitude mounted in collaboration with the government and multilateral agencies. we are also trying to innovate a quick system to look at a few indicators to get some information from key informants quickly back to the comment that was made before about the virus and having to adapt our methodology in order to get very

quick information. all of this as we try to uncover the key factors in terms of norms and behaviors that are affecting people's risk behaviors and confidence to act. >> having heard that, what is your level of confidence that we would have a vaccine that we would be able to develop an approach that could engage the population and retest it? >> well, first of all i want to be clear, i don't think it's going to be an easy issue. i think in the middle of a crisis people will tend to overcome other issues of fear. but i think that we have also seen one of the issues that i've having to learn very quickly, and i think that we all need to learn, is socially and culturally and i invite people who know more about this than i

do, we are talking about these three countries as one kind of place and it's not. very different populations. why were those individuals killed? and to understand the background that is actually quite hard to understand how they could, and these are important individuals that were attacked and had to get into a number of different issues. so i think that will be complicated and this is where i talk about rolling up a vaccine, i talk about inviting and mandating that any program have that research and input component to start understanding that and i think we have a big outbreak in nigeria with this, you are right, the polio vaccine issue in northern nigeria, why would we expect not to have some kind of issue there is not so i don't think it'll be build it and they will comment on the

other hand i think that we have an opportunity here to put our best foot forward if we start thinking about it now and don't handle it like a bunch of public health epidemiologist but a social cultural event that really needs all of us on board. so i want to make sure that i get the vaccine first and you can't do that as of yet. but we need to get that in. >> okay, go ahead with questions. i think we're going to start either way. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you very much. this has been a very informative situation. i happen to be the president of the library and this is the asian and most of what you have said is true. i think we need to talk about the information we can use with our community and our people back home. her question has to do with one

of the presentations and one of the presenters and testing on animals and how it has proved not to work and so recently there was a report of a doctor in liberia who is demanding at one of the treatment centers. he had 15 ebola patients in his care and just studying it and trying to understand without the right tools work with, he discovered that it is actually could destroy the internal organs. and so he decided to use what he

had end of the 15 patients, 13 of them survived. there were two who died in the two who died were patients that were taking five or six days after they had contracted the disease. and so my question is, have you given that a thought or is that a possibility that we are to have a vaccine that could possibly help fight this and would you be willing to talk about this as a possibility at this time. >> thank you for asking that. i think that we heard from some and maybe this is part of this

to you as well. i don't know if there's anything further that you want to say what anyone wants to further comment on that. did i get that right? >> let me just say that we were aware of the report and the although we suspect that this would not work, it is the reason we did the testing as i showed in the data. and those two drugs have one of virus replication and its presence than in its absence. that's not to say that every drug shouldn't be tested. but from our standpoint we were unable to confirm whether those might have worked. >> thank you.

it reminds me that one of the critical functions is not only to work with our health care institutions but also the community that is connected to west africa and the governor is asked to reach out and we are reaching out here in maryland. and we will be talking about ways to support them in terms of giving them information that can be helpful and also anything else that they need that we can provide. either comments or thoughts about school or the health department and how we are connected to people in africa? i'd be very interested. >> one of the challenges that we are seeing right now, and i come from the twin cities as you heard earlier, we have the largest library in liberian population outside of the country of liberia presiding and

it's a community that has been incredibly concerned and organize to try to address this issue and they've gone through a great deal of pain, many living in minnesota knowing what is going on back home. the big issue and it has come up with individuals and also in the private sector jobs are tuition, someone wanted to go back home because their mother and father are now dead and they have to eat younger siblings may want to go back into that issue and then come back to the united states. and it's been a very heart-wrenching experience to say are you going to take more risks and what's going to happen to you and what can you do with your siblings and such. we don't have answers for that. this is one of the concerns that has come up and we have seen businesses that are actually looking at for lowing people for at least 21 days after they return from west africa. if you do that without pay, it's

likely that you will not find out and if you pay them how are you going to follow this. so the policies are always a day late and a dollar short of the odds look at these kinds of things now. we're going to have the same thing. so this is a huge thing right now particularly in the united states and other countries as well when we run into this. >> i think also is as private as well. [inaudible] >> it's hard to believe because we are so short on this and it's actually only the second worst problem over there. and the major problem will be once they are built and they will be inadequate once they are built. the number will be inadequate. they don't have the people to

stop them. so any physician or nurse or other kind of health care worker who feels like they can go over there and do something, i think that they should try to find a way to do so because that is going to be the number one issue. and so the one thing that provides a glimmer of hope is when the resources and training and leadership for their, liberians are taking those jobs and a lot of that is a matter of the economy and they are taking high-risk jobs of any money. and they are stepping up and taking very dangerous jobs to try to combat this crisis and we need folks of expertise who can come over and run the facilities and train people and i say that that is probably their most serious need. >> that's very helpful and i would also emphasized in west africa as well as here, the critical need is obviously very

critical. >> just adding one thing, just think about this. yesterday the liberia national health care workers all went on strike and they went on strike because of the 80% of them do not have certain things and they are being asked work in these settings are twice that happening two you know? we can deliver iphone's from asia in 24 hours. why can't we deliver masks and goggles and gloves to others. that is the part that frustrates me because losing that group of liberians right now is huge. they are the backbone of what is being done as you saw over there. and yet i know how hard that is for them to strike because they want to be there to care but they don't have that and that is the part that is the disconnect about bureaucracy time and we have to get those two together

and they are not. >> you might notice actually more so, but it's not really getting the equipment even before the u.s. and various governments donated all sorts of institutions and withdrawing all types of this and getting it over there and there's been a tremendous amount all the way back to august. because the person who arranged that was the oppositional leader and not the government. but the distribution model that exists in these technically failed states are tremendous. so we are left with a plea that we need health care workers. and we have a go to the has been

trained to go into these conditions. and we are left with a gut wrenching decision would we really center teams into a dangerous situation where ppe can be assured and then the next week you have another type of ppe and we're only now is the intensive training starting to ramp up, what are the security arrangements, can we get you out if you are there. there's a huge number of logistics and yet everyone is looking for health care workers and you might have a fighting chance that there's other ngos and groups that are looking more health care workers and it's really just not quite as simple as it seems on the surface. >> let me go to the next

question. >> hello, thank you. i'm a student here and i think this discussion certainly highlights my question about what the department of defense will play nice and we talked today about the financial situations. if i heard correctly i believe that note military personnel will be involved directly with us and we can all understand the complexity of that but i would love to hear the panel's decisions as we talk about the severe shortage in training health care workers and why they are saying that people won't be involved in helping. >> first of all, let me just say that one of the historic nature is is the fact that we now have urged military involvement which after all those years has given

you an idea just how far we have come. we need him and i think he was getting at is, we need with adjustable supply chains are welcome and we also need command and control and "the new york times" piece caught a lot of flak. everyone said well, it's broken we can't fix it up. but we need at least a mission so that we can have a command and control capture where the u.s. and the japanese and the chinese, the cubans and the russian people, the canadians, the eu and the countries can all have one hopefully command and control structure and it's still a problem. but the key thing is if they can bring this, that is great. that is a key issue that we are going to have.

and so often we get into the public health crisis just like us and then they tend to be short-term. this one could go on a long time. so we are going to have to realize that we are in a sprint and a marathon. how we staff is going to have to be looked at. maybe one or two recruitments over there, how do we get people to stay and how do you support this emotionally or psychologically? we need a much greater global commitment. and i just want to echo the fact as i said earlier, i'm proud that the u.s. has done as much as they have both from the government standpoint and from the your philanthropic standpoint. where is the rest of the world two why are we not seeing that and to obama's credit, he's been saying that over and over again. where is the rest of the world to secretary john kerry,

who said that the other day. if you don't care about that, shame on you, but this is in your self interest. go to worry about terrorism and the infrastructure and so that i can't understand. >> i would just sort of pick up on that and i would think that it would be they be worthwhile with the professors here, they are eligible and i think that the question and your answer raises the issue of global leadership and there's a lot of different things that are moving in the same direction or who and its role and how does this casts a light on international health or other important situations as

well. >> i had a completely different idea. >> okay, i will come back to you. just from an international health perspective, this is a huge challenge right now and so feel free to come up. >> you have raised a question that can't be answered and 10 seconds and i will say that by all evidence court nation that needs to be there and that governments are pleading for really hasn't been there. one of the unprecedented things that has occurred is that the u.n. has created a mission for the response. this is the first time that this has been done for a public health event at and that is

meant to serve as the structure which brings all of these different players together working toward the same goal. but that's not to say that it's completely set yet because it is not. that is what is meant to happen. and so the u.n., that is leadership function and the u.s. military doesn't want to and doesn't need to play that role. they can't come in there and take that role. and they are doing this even within the u.s. government structure. but they do provide this critical logistical and other support that was mentioned by doctor michael osterholm. and i think that there is a lot more to do in terms of generating the coordination necessary to get the resources going when they need to be there. >> i would agree with that and i think that we are in the process

of will rebuilding the coordination approaches as the epidemic is ongoing and the aftermath is to re-look at how this is done. i think the coordination center is being set up in terms of command and control and we are a long ways down from a coherent approach. when the time comes we will have to look at how we do that. there's a lot of leadership both within countries and i think that this is a good one and a good example as well as undergoing the epidemic but i think that there will be a role for looking at new ways in which we can have preparedness and response to these kinds of epidemics in the coming years. >> last question and then we will go on. >> one thing is that the risk is controversial.

i am absolutely convinced that this outbreak is the 9/11 of who. and that i think that the future of who is in question in terms of how it will act in the future. and i think there's a to be a lot of consideration about this both in terms of civilian response and authority and financial support, coordination and all of these things. everyone talks about when these regulations came through and i'm not saying that it's going to be gone, but i don't believe this is the same one that we have seen today that will be here years from now. i think that this will be a very important time for reconsidering global health and how we respond to the global health crisis. >> thank you. [applause] >> all this discussion about global leadership and supplies

and infrastructure, i just want to comment on the kind of issues that david was talking about earlier in the day and the importance of local leadership and the experience is one hopeful sign in liberia where the cases there peaked at about 790 cases in august and have been going down ever sent and we talked about this last friday in monrovia with what happened and what didn't. they highlighted all of those issues. local leaders that were committed, mobilization through women's groups and youth groups and burial teams and other teams to trace cases. there are some hopeful signs when we focus on the local level interventions and local leaderships unsocial mobilizations that can uncover

those resources at the community level. >> question? [inaudible] >> for all members who have studied ebola. we are talking about people from three countries that have been included in this group. we are talking about people on the ground already when an issue started and they don't send troops, they send doctors.

and just recently. so we have all these troops on the ground right now until we have been in america since 1822 and we were the first to fight world war ii. and the relationships have not been beneficial. monologue but what about when we know something about it. [applause] >> thank you. >> question? >> first i would like to thank all the speakers in regard to

all that is needed. >> could you speak a minute? >> i will try. >> okay, so there's currently 3000 people working in the three main countries. and we have 690. we have admitted and i have just done a lot and so that means there is not enough staff and there's not enough of everything ..

>> >> [applause] people want to know about those efforts specifically but what else could people be doing? >> people pushing politicians.

there is a lot of promises. so to push the politicians for public health to evaluate quickly to make them available and affordable. the access issue in the affordability issue. >> comments? >> so very briefly something that will help the entire response. last wednesday we launched a website called ebola of communication network.org it

has over 4,000 hits and 170 materials on that the whole purpose of this site is to share experiences with materials so i just wanted to quickly since people of listening on the web for concrete things they can do but to share their experiences so thanks for the chance to share that. >> the question on vaccines vaccines, what is the pathway to a messenger for the ebola vaccine?

>> look when i worked at the fda we responsible for licensing. there are some people will be working closely with those to think it is necessary of efficacy and safety. i think hit may well be the case you need to have all the people figure out two's set the standards so it can be done quickly with those creative designs. this is a challenge but

knowing the people there is one of the best deals for me. and our kids. >> and mentioned it briefly but i will say it again. n i h is about to launch a comparison with the clinical trial. 30,000 people and we will hope to have the results of that study analyzed. >> a quick story on the vaccine at that time with

that experimental vaccine pushing to get the data for the licensor. it would be a lot better fit to be licensed so i think the framework is very important rather than just saying the risk is on new so i think the idea to design it with nih so few rule something out you're standing behind the product.

>> there is a problem that is great to have had you have evidence of that with 15,000? and to engage those country partners because having hundred thousand doses of vaccine is not that easy to think about health care workers is a group to target as well but there will be lots of issues of equity about it is being used and trying to figure out the outbreak. >> we may be winding down. this may be the last question. >> i am from the bloomberg

school and i have two questions presley have trauma centers with the first institutions that they might be overwhelmed to respond who had traces of ebola? times speaking to the u.s. and other developed nations. yes. >> the recommendation was to a shelter in place and then regardless and then to give some insight to what that means.

a concept sealing off all other patient areas and stand-alone. with 4200 half of them are under 100 beds. but we're likely to go to that direction to have as a designated site on hospital. and with those specifications with the nih and emory that preemptively funded this over one year ago at a very high cost. talk about the public health

system with public and private hospitals that are now faced with i want to play i want to contribute our one to be dead designated type. we have to figure out to do it quickly and pay for its. by the way what about my other patients? where do they go? the ebola hospital? also facing the same issues with hiv is think we have overcome them and to be a major hiv treatment center and today we see all the benefits of that. but all the patients will run away and what happens to the business model? or the system that could shore that up?

but to go in that direction with the concept of the designated centers with a highly trained group of people. would you add to that? >>. >> and just a little extension for a couple more questions. we can turn the microphone back on again. >> and the family medicine doctor and of resident here at the school of public health. on september 13 the fourth zero the own doctor to pass away from a bullet and it

occurred when there was a hospital ready to receive her the who declined transportation she is just one of the number of the irreplaceable assets of this epidemic of local doctors on the front lines. in support of considering transferring local doctors to the outside facilities to get the foreign aid workers out when they become sick? >>. >> it is a great question. i want to separate the question if that is who's responsibility.

but least so far employers have made commitments to their own employees but to heirs of them out if they are sick is not unusual. but it is essential but johns hopkins will send people over there have to be guaranteed to be well trained and if something happens they will be airlifted out that somebody from the "washington post" or abc news was covering the war in afghanistan their baking is blown off you assume cbs will air lift them out so with the international people is is that you see what happens in sierra leone.

for transparency right now there are those that are willing to contribute the extraordinary amount of money as a wealthy foundation trying to figure out what to do that would be helpful particularly in the context to donate a lot of money. so what could potentially be set up? what is the role of who i don't know what that is that is a slippery slope that has to be anticipated with the number of health care workers that are infected and what the budget would be it is not just one person airlift did battle lot of people that is a lot to take

on it is an important conversation to raise and something to think about addressing but i want to separate that from the role of who. >> digest 12 follow-up i agree 100 percent but at that time the air frame movement was dramatically impacted for refusal of landing rights and there was a problem even to get certain aircraft than and some contracts for who could come in and out we had a problem with the aircraft that was available if you and the medevac for 12 hours since deal you off that was the only contract that existed. upon the hill one of the first briefings i didn't there was their congressmen was angry to bring the

individual back to treatment. and i realized i had no live wire but i actually painted out to understand first of all, a service man issue if we send somebody in harm's way as a country are we willing to bring them back? but the biggest problem we have right now is getting people to go there. not that they are afraid if they are sick someone will bring them home. he said i never thought about it now becomes one of the strongest supporters. we have decisions as policy makers and funders why it is

important it is about a standard to say we will bring our own home not with just u.s. but that is one of the few fringe benefits you might get to give a precious part of your life to do this. that is huge. we will bring you home. >> one thing i have been surprised about just with the general population is they know health care is more available outside of liberia. because they checked their infrared thermometers you thought you could wait all year and that would very easily cleared of be heard jack. most people -- most of the things holding him back is

but something that is so whole other situation. >> i am not an expert with the ethics but we can move the medical response cutoff to talk about people coming out but also it is important to change the discussion how much we should be offering people in of field. but with those interventions we can improve the outcome of the merit of health care

workers that are there. so thinking about a from a public health point of view i really feel this is part of our messaging that we need to change the paradigm to really think about that we may not have the funds to bring betty out of africa. >> follow-up on that. >> the dative it is strongest with dehydration even some of the work done with doctors without borders and other people that you give people a colorado like dyer bse you have to aggressively hydrate them with the electorate

replacement and this is been done in this setting even with these testing machines to allow was elected electrolytes to do it rationally or with a more developed setting. that is something you can manage there not russia prepare you can manage their fever. there are things that we're doing in developed countries that turn not necessarily that expensive but can bundle of care. also to prove how can we incorporate some of that into a bundle of care. >> entity suggests that you turned it isn't terribly

expensive but there is also a huge discussion going on when a patient comes in should the insurer we are not talking about fancy stuff or extra of machines. we are talking about but to treat this as a diary. but is it is about what you said earlier in your remarks which is the big deal about cases where people learn not

preventing with -- presenting with fever. i heard that back in july. and i heard the comment a couple of times since then. looking at the literature from a the cdc or other organizations you don't see that. fever and a hope the other symptoms. so can you shed some light on this to make me understand what's going on? been a figure for that question. i think it is sending the cannot be afraid to ask the question. >> it is so tightly to a policy that is so richard --

richard they said republican we need to keep an open mind most patients have had a fever. do they think there is of some such thing group yes. what is the implication? they are real. i am reiter that we have another black swan and doesn't have ahead but they will say public health didn't tell us the answers. me to send this. i don't understand that i have spent too many positions and some selected

period 90 percent of the fever sumacs have a rather say that we have a crash -- a threshold and they have been calling us around the state. we want to be open to with never heard have been so the net debt first i want to sink it put showing all of the different an incredible resources that can be bought. it is the interval path we

research and not just to understand but also our but we cannot afford to fail. and now for the rest of the day. >> but i can only imagine

how busy you are. >> and for your duty this is a bowl of a sarah manson and his principal bad bet but i would point people to the twitter feeds from the school and various others from me and others that are summarized. and on our schools who so they are a renewable powerplant her someday insightful comments but they

would not just do that with the public health workers spin in prayer was the man. >> we tried and failed and apologize for that. i think they called this the test.

but mike said did you a joke has changed but we will always change if you think about we now have vaccines about to go into clinical trials it shows maybe not in fibrous time that we are not where we were to read three years ago we saw how saar's changed and my hope is this current test will make this better. said in a thank-you who also has said they job to be here today. [applause] and our officer of external affairs we had a mere 2500 people watching and the sound quality was excellent.

that is important to get this information out. the interest in people show about today is how some of them are framing the insights. but it was a tour day force. but of course, everyone came from several countries away. and bernie came back from liberia and is here with us. but insight said we are remarkable provide did want to mention but it is also on

the web site. >> please pick up a copy. in fact, we are having a live event this afternoon if they're still in the building, of life kickoff with refreshments to talk about the articles in there. and again my thanks to everybody who did a phenomenal job and to rededicate itself and the emerging diseases. thanks very much. [applause]

later, senate armed services committee chairman carl levin on the war in afghanistan. >> now live from london, prime minister's question time. each week the house of commons is in session we bring you prime minister david cameron taking questions from the house of commons, live wednesday morning

on c-span2. we invite your participation on twitter, prior to question time members are finishing other business. now live to the floor of the british house of commons. >> quarter. questions for the prime minister. [shouting] >> prime minister, thank you, mr. speaker. ahead meetings with ministerial colleagues and others and in addition to my duties in this house i have further meetings later today. >> everyone is breathing a sigh of relief that the government has at last committed extra money from the conservancy's. will he now received the widespread public local concerns on reversing the government's

1.2 billion pound privatization? >> can i welcome the right hon. lady's welcome to the fact that money is being put forward to help with the university trust is doing because there is at 256 million pound investment including 80 million pounds of capital funding that is going in to making sure this project can work and work well. i have been following the situation closely and will continue to do so. i would say a number of people are being referred to cancer treatment under this government is up 50% and we inherited the worst cancer survival rates anywhere in europe and they are now at record levels. >> my right hon. friend agree with the opinion of one member of the house sitting on the opposition benches a gino's who he is but the only way to get

the vote conservative. [shouting] >> if i may, leaking down judgment. >> i can't think who my hon. friend is referring to but if it is true, you are not satisfied with the way that the e.u. is working at the moment if you want change, if you want reform, if you want renegotiation, if you want a referendum, for the british public to decide in or out there's only one choice and that is to vote conservative. [shouting] >> mr. speaker. i said at the outset i am speaking -- wouldn't have missed this meeting with the prime minister for the world.

every time someone gets the job it is good for them and good for their families. can he confirm the latest figures show wages are filled, failing to keep pace with inflation. the longest living standard for a century. >> let me charge the right hon. gentleman, we wish him to get well soon with his sore throats. of the get the doctor's appointment we hope he doesn't forget. to show up on time. i am very glad, i am very glad he has asked me about unemployment because i think the figures show long-term plan is working. we see unemployment give the 2 million and the claimant count below 1 million and we have seen the biggest annual fall in unemployment since records began.

long-term unemployment, reduced unemployment along tributes unemployment, women's unemployment are all down but there is no complacency and to answer his question directly, yes, of course we have seen stagnant wage growth but that is because we are recovering from the longest and deepest recession in this country's history. let me remind him the institute for fiscal studies, we had a great big recession. we had the biggest recession we had in a hundred years. it would be astonishing if household incomes haven't fallen and earnings haven't fallen. of course that has happened and we know who is responsible. >> mr. speaker, i knocked a couple of paragraphs in my speech. i have noticed, i have noticed, i have noticed that since we last met, there were key members

of parliament. [shouting] >> let's talk about what he said at a conference. the last election said this. you can't talk about tax reduction unless you can show how it is paid for. the public are not stupid. mr. speaker, when he announced his 7 billion pound unfunded tax cut, he must have had a plan to pay for it so what is it? cutting public services? >> people don't have to look in the crystal ball, they can read the book. we have cut taxes for 26 million, we have taken 3 million people out of income tax altogether. week have raised the allowance to 10,000 pounds so if you are on minimum wage week at your income tax bill by two thirds but we have only been able to do that because we remembered

something important. we have a long-term economic plan and we have to cut the deficit. we do have a plan. the deficit is down by a third. the imf is the fastest-growing economy in the g-7 and with a record like that you can afford tax cuts, the people deserve. >> we have seen the record. cut the tax credit. working families and the bed room tax. that is the record of this prime minister. he can't be straight about tax plans because maybe he could be straight about his plans for tax credits. can he confirm as a result of his plan a one earner family with two children or 25,000 pounds a year will lose 500 pounds a year? >> the best way to help people lose to take some out of income tax altogether. next year you will be able to renton thousand 500 pounds before you pay any income tax altogether. we think it is better not to take people that take money of

people in the first place. you wants to compare records and after all this is the labor party so let's look at the record on labor and here it is, women's unemployment is up 26% under labor, down 7% under this government. youth unemployment of 44% under labor, down 22% under this government. the economy is growing. the deficit is coming down. we are getting britain back to work, the long term plan is working but one thing that could wreck it is a labor government. >> he didn't answer the question or confirm the figures. let me tell him, the chancellor's own figures show -- pecan even admit that. one specific issue about disabled people in the minimum wage which goes to these expenses. in response to a question, a conservative party conference, the welfare reform minister said this. you make a really good point

about the disabled. there is the group, actually as you say, they are not worth the full age. >> absolutely not. disabled people should be paying the minimum wage and the minimum-wage under this government is going up and going up in real terms. it is 6 lbs 50. we will be presenting our evidence to the low pay commission calling for another real term increase in minimum wage. let me give him the chancellor's figures. inflation of 1.2% five year low, the biggest annual fall in unemployment since records began. the fastest growing economy in the g-7 and next year pensions getting 150 pounds a year. the chancellor's figures, those of the government's figures and we get mayhem from labor. >> to be clear about what the welfare reform minister said.

didn't just say disabled people were not worth a minimum wage, he went further and said, quote, he was looking at and i quote, when there is something we can do, if someone wants to work for 2 pounds an hour. mr. speaker, surely someone holding those views can't possibly -- >> those are not the views of the government or anyone in the government. the minimum wage is paid to everybody, disabled people included. >> passions are running high. the prime minister must be heard. >> i don't need lectures from anyone looking after disabled people. i don't want to hear that. we paid the minimum wage, we're reforming disability benefits, we want to help disabled people and help more of them in to work. what does he get back to talking about the economy?

>> i suggest if he wants to protect the rights of disabled people he reads carefully what his welfare minister has said because they are not words of someone who ought to be in charge of policy. in the dog days of this government the conservative party is going back, unfunded tax cuts. and undermining the minimum-wage. >> i can tell him what is happening in this government. the economy is growing and the deficit coming down. the government is on the side of hard-working people and he told us about the forgotten paragraphs in his speech. i got a copy of the main here. they came under the heading of hard truths. what a hard truth for him, he is not up to the job.

>> mr. speaker, hundreds of thousands of people across the united kingdom, by nuisance phone calls every day of the week. these calls -- does the prime minister wants to tackle the problem of money support stronger for the purpose? >> happy to look at what my hon. friend says. we have the t p s service that helps people of little lot of these calls but i have heard pressure to be done and happy with what he says. >> they are great in point.

they can't recruit. the prime minister didn't have a clue about the nhl is reforms. will he acknowledge it is harder to see a gp on his watch. >> everybody knows of course there are pressures, big decisions on becoming the government wishes to go on spending on the nhl's which is 12.7 billion more in and the bureaucracy so there are 20,000 fewer administrators and 6,000 more doctors at the thousand or gps, we need to go on to make sure the reform plus the money eases the pressure on the service to continue to see the success we have in our h s today. since the conservative party and only the conservative party will deliver referendum and renegotiation, will the prime minister tell us his intentions of bringing to this house the red line issues that will feature negotiations and give us

a preview of those today? >> some things need to change, safeguards for the single market, ability to block new regulation, making sure britain comes out and crucially as i said in my conference have to address the issue of immigration of 54 to addressing all those issues in the months ahead. >> given the very serious spread of the ebola virus worldwide with reports there could be up to 10,000 new cases per week by two months time will the prime minister as part of the meeting centered today, at ensure that he works closely with the authorities in northern ireland given we share the frontier with other jurisdictions in relation to taxes on people coming into the u.k.? is a serious issue for northern ireland and the rest of the united kingdom. >> absolutely right. there will be another meeting chaired today by the foreign

secretary. i will be chairing one tomorrow. we will look at all these issues about where people are arriving to and cooperating properly with all the authorities. it is worth stressing there are no direct flights from liberia, sierra leone ore guinea into the united kingdom so we are talking people who coming here in directly and to be rolled out more as the day goes by. i am absolutely convinced we will do everything we can to keep the country safe. we will make sure properly days on this, the republic takes place. >> thank you, mr. speaker. youth unemployment over the last couple years, cut by 53%, and employment by 43 percentage, and went up by 82% and thousands of lower earners. the signals so we are the true

workers party now. the union movement for hard-working people. >> i congratulate my hon. friend for the work he does locally to promote jobs and promote apprenticeships and promote training. he is absolutely right. 56% decline in unemployment in his constituency but let me stress there is more work to be done. we will stick into our long-term economic plan. we are not immune from the pressures including problems in the euro zone. we will do what we can to get more people back to work. >> thank you, mr. speaker. in the light of the national audit office estimate, 715 million cost to the taxpayer for the sales of royal mail. what measures will be taken to in short this city gravy train will not be taken the taxpayer

for a ride. >> let me say to the hon. gentleman there wasn't a cost to the taxpayer for the sale of raw mail. there was a benefit to the taxpayer, first time we had a receipt for the sale and we no longer had as we did in the navy years lost our loss after loss. we have expressions of interest for the business that he referred to and we will make short, many for taxpayer to involve the private sector. >> the 1997 joint declaration committed britain and china at to preserve the freedom and stability and high degree of autonomy for hong kong for 50 years, and the people of hong kong have real concern over proposals to the election of the chief executive. does my right hon. friend agree with me we should do everything

possible to assure governments of hong kong and china to find ways for the widest possible choice in the important elections and that is vital to the stability in hong kong and the interests of britain and china? >> i agree with my hon. friend is important democracy involves real choices and i also think we should be clear about the importance we attach to the 1984 joint declaration because that joint declaration makes very clear that the current social and economic systems in hong kong will remain unchanged including of the lifestyle ended talks about rights and freedoms including those of speech, the press, assembly, association, travel, movement and of strike. these are important freedoms jointly guaranteed through the joint declaration and most of all we should stand up for. >> the fort telling -- the cost

to as a gp practice of victoria and any special mention of constituents for police car and my constituency, what can the prime minister ever do to my constituents that he has given to what they say? >> what i say to the hon. gentleman is we are not cutting spending on the na chess which is what his bench recommended in the beginning of this parliament, their spending 12.7 billion pounds on the nhl as and if we look at his own clinical commissioning grew in east lancashire, the fund of 490 million pounds is going up by 2.14%, an increase of more than inflation. that is our policy, that is not the policy of the labor party.

>> thank you very much. the palestinian ambassador has described a vote on the recognition of the palestinian state as a momentous vote. indeed it was. he also said now is the time for the u.k. government to listen to a democratically elected parliament and take decisive political action by recognizing the state of palestine and the upholding its historical, moral and legal responsibility toward palestine. does the prime minister agree? >> i look forward to the day when great britain will recognize the state of palestine but it should be part of the negotiations that brings about a two state solution. that is what we all want to see. a state of israel living happily and peacefully alongside the state of palestine and that is where we should do the recognition. >> in my constituency, an extra

30,000 because of the closure, is this accessible? pitt >> what is happening in terms of any just funding is the funding is going up, the clinical commissioning group, this year's funding is an increase of 2.14%, that is more money for the na jazz but to local commissioners to decide how to spend that money but more money under this government where they would have had less under a labour government instead of spending more money on the nhl's which i say is irresponsible. >> will my friend agree there are too many people who cannot be described as a bridge confined themselves caught up in inheritance tax? will he also agreed this is not only unfair but this is not what the tax was originally intended to do and we need to reform it as soon as possible? >> i agree with my hon. friend.

it was a step forward when the thresholds, and husband and wife which makes it 650,000 pounds rather than the 315 that it was before and that only happened because of the pressure from the conservative party when it was sitting over revers. and the chancellor and his budget, we all want to see a system over time and this may have to wait some time, but we all want to see a system where it is only the rich to pay inheritance tax and not hard-working people. >> this summer darlington march 3, '00 miles tiexiera rested his government's wasteful mismanagement of the health service. does he agree -- i sat down with the premise there, darlington is in the northeast of england.

does he agree, it seems a member of his own cabinet spending 3 billion pounds on reorganizing the and dhs was his biggest mistake? >> what we did at the beginning was make sure we cut the bureaucracy and put in the extra money but let me say this to the hon. lady the only way you have a strong national health service is having a strong economy. let's look at the country that ignored the deficits. grease cut it by 14%, portugal cut their any chess by 70%. they have something in common with her leader. they all forgot the deficit. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i welcome of the 300 million pound investment. with my right hon. friend recognizing substantial improvements at stanford in

recent years and fireworks there. and confirm when the nhl is england led review of consultant led services of stanford and consultant will take place. >> i am delighted to add to what my hon. friend says about the hard work being done at stanford hospital. the extra money that has been put in gives an opportunity for a fresh start. obviously like him i want to see as many services maintained that staffordshire hospital and i know local people who live in stafford or have their children in a local hospital i quite understand that. >> steve reed. >> thank you. does the prime minister agree the 11 million pounds wasted on a botched and abandons reorganization of an age of services would have been better spent providing more for my constituents who don't have to wait over two weeks to be a

doctor. >> dimensions waiting time. let me remind him of one thing. when this government came to office very 18,000 people who were waiting longer than a year. that is down 500. that has happened because we have run the health service and run the economy effectively and the reorganization was by getting rid of bureaucracy. 20,000 fewer administrators, 6,000 doctors, 3,000 nurses. that is a record we can be proud of. >> one in four bed in our hospitals are occupied by a patient with dementia being treated in ordinary wards can cause them stress and confusion hampering their recovery and that of other patients. would the prime minister agree with me and with health practitioners that patients with dementia should be cared for by specially trained staff and

where necessary in separate wards and would he support my campaign? >> we face an enormous challenge across the world's. we have this condition and likely to get it. what this government has done is increase massively the research going into dementia. we trained millions to build more dementia friendly communities and trained 100,000 staff to better treat people with dementia. 50 million pounds in hospitals to help them with the way we treat dementia sufferers but the more people we can treat in the community to maintain at home the better because very often, it is not the right answer for someone with dementia. >> and local heroes, we ignored

his own safety. and we believe this noble sacrifice recognized in some way. and support these ideas. >> i will look carefully at the suggestions she makes because i think she's absolutely right that alan henning was a hero. he went to serve others and with no thought of his own safety but it was about helping other people in their time of the need. to is an entirely innocent man and the fact he was murdered in such a brutal fashion demonstrates the dreadful mess of the people we are dealing with. i know the people miss him greatly, i spoke to his wife and family have been incredibly brave any makes a great suggestion. >> thank you, mr. speaker. in congratulating the excellent

conservative run of the council in securing the 30 million pounds from the government, which will help improve economic regeneration in certain areas taking into account the youth unemployment, unemployment overall is down, bridges should side down, finishing the long-term economic -- across the country. >> the claimant count in his own constituency is down by 36% which is a huge advance over recent years, he wrote about the importance of the local growth field, this will mean transforming in and around midway. and in the months and years and

weeks to come. >> my hon. friend will be pressing amendments to ensure the recall bill makes it meaningfully accountable to their constituents. and to support these amendments and other profits, in 2010. >> we may clear we wanted to see recall bill in front of parliament and be voted on and i am delighted we are keeping that promise and second reading of the recall bill will be happening in this house. i will it carefully at all amendments that come forward. getting this bill together we have come up with what the minimum acceptable recall, but there is a lot of good arguments to be had about how we can go further and i look forward to having them in the house of commons.

[shouting] >> 2010, invested in schools, and last week announced the church of england, in-my right hon. friend show me the situation of massive investment, hugely benefiting my constituents with my children. >> we are spending 18 billion pounds on school buildings, that is more than labor in the first two terms of office combined and i wanted to see that continue. what we are seeing in our schools, and the culture and leadership, and school after-school saw the results. and we carry on with this program and our reforms and make sure we give more young people the chance of a good start in

life. >> today, along product improving integrated sites, people are understandably concerned about this. will prime minister meet with myself and a third-party group whose communities are affected by this decision to make sure there is a bright future for long products in the u.k. which underpins british manufacturing? >> i am happy to meet with himself and that this and this important issue. what we have seen in the last four years is the development in the steel industry not least with the reopening of red, but i want to see a strong feature for steelmaking. i know how important this is, we are engaging with partner steel and the important company, we look forward to those discussions and also what we took action to ease the burden

of the energy intensive users. we have seen recovery of manufacturing with the car industry and we want to see the steel industry as part of that. >> we do not forget the deficit. and these tax cuts. to continue the perception that we received under this coalition and tax cuts for higher earners. >> the truth about all these things is we can only afford a strong school system and strong health system if we maintain a strong economy. we mustn't forget the deficit as the leader of the opposition did is we want to make sure we get the deficit down and killed the country back to work but the truth is as we stand here today the british economy is growing. more people are getting in to work, we are making good progress on our plans, we face

real challenges in terms of what is happening in the rest of the world but the biggest threat to the british economy is sitting few feet away from me. they would borrow more and tax more, they would take us right back to the start. >> thank you, mr. speaker, the people in northern syria are desperately fighting off attacks from isis. the secretary general asked for immediate action for its support for the beleaguered civilian population. what has the u.k. government doing to try to deal with this? >> we are taking action over the skies and in iraq but we support the actions that america and other states are taking including arab states over the skies of syria which has had some effect in terms of the town about which she speaks. i think there is a case for

britain doing more but i recognize what we have to focus on is the air power over iraq, the training of an effective syrian national opposition because in time the right answer for syria is the same as the right answer for iraq, government that can represent all of its people, armed services that can fight on behalf of all of their people and britain should play its role in making sure that happens. >> will the prime minister join me in thanking the 45 organizations who attended my fourth jobs fair and last week? would he also sang several colleagues for putting on the event and the staff at selby john center plus and welcome back unemployment is now down by more than half since the last election. >> i congratulate my hon. friend on holding these jobs fares. is an effective way of helping people who are looking for work

to get those jobs if we look at best, across the year we see a $46,000 reduction in unemployment so it does demonstrate that unemployment is coming down right across our country, a long-term economic plan that is delivering. >> order. >> you're on c-span2 we will leave the british house of commons as members move on to other business. you have been watching prime minister's question time aired live wednesdays at 7:00 a.m. eastern when parliament is in session. you can see this week's session again sunday night at 9:00 eastern and pacific on c-span. for more information go to c-span.org and click on series to view every program we aired from the british house of commons since october of 1989 and we would like your comments about prime minister's questions via twitter using the hash tag p.m. q.

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democrat and longtime attorney nels mitchell takes on the republican incumbent senator jim risch, seeking his second term. during the next hour the two will debate the issues face-to-face in their only scheduled debate before the november 4th election. what will it take to win your of the? decision 2014 starts now. here is news channel 7's mark johnson. >> moderator: welcome to the debate for u.s. senate. i am mark johnson. the candidates for election, democratic challenger nels mitchell has been a practicing attorney for more than 30 years and received his law degree, he worked at the associate regional director and regional trial counsel for the securities and exchange commission. alongside republican senator jim risch, previously served as idaho's lieutenant governor and governor. he sits on five senate committees including energy and natural resources, for in

relations, intelligence and ethics. thank you, gentlemen, for agreeing to participate in this important gathering. is my privilege to serve as your moderator today. before we begin monday introduce you to our panel, political analysts dr. jim wetherbee is here with anchor and reporter justin cooler. prior to today's debate we drew for the order of one minute statements and we begin with jim risch, your name came up. the floor is yours. risch: thank you very much. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for watching today. i am sure you are watching because you want to make a choice as to who you should vote for in this important race. it is going to be really easy because the choice is going to be crystal clear. we are two very different people. if you want a the liberal democrat, you have my opponent, mr. mitchell. if you want a conservative person, a republican conservative, i am that person. i will tell you everything you

need to know about the two of us in this race. 68% of us, you and i, fought to keep barack obama from opposing his fundamental, cultural changing agenda on the united states. we were doing that. this gentleman was funding the other side. what he did was contribute thousands of dollars of his own money in that effort, first trying to elect hillary clinton as president and then working to elect barack obama obama and putting a lot of money into it. if you are happy with the way president obama is trying to take this country, this is your guide. i have every confidence he will be enthusiastic assistant to the president over the next 837 days. the choice is clear. we are two very different people. with that i yield the floor to the gentleman from california. >> moderator: mr. mitchell. mitchell: i was raised in boise, attended boise high school,

graduated the anniversary of idaho law school. i love my state and my country. i am running for the u.s. senate to replace a career politician with someone who represent idaho values, honesty, responsibility, and hard work. as your u.s. senator i will work hard to create economic opportunity, good paying jobs for people in idaho. i won't waste your money by shutting down the government as jim risch did last year. jim risch often says one thing in idaho and votes another way in washington. i will vote the same way in washington as i talk in idaho. like you, i am sick and tired of the gridlock and dysfunction in washington. we can do better. thank you. >> moderator: gentlemen, on the issues, we begin with education and the first question, jim risch, we begin with you. what should the role of the federal government be when it

comes to state school system, one of the primary topics right now on capitol hill and in idaho? mark sweeney -- risch: have teachers from idaho, parent teachers associations from idaho and a lot of other people who have different interests in education, go back to washington d.c. and meet with me and i meet with them when i am here and i hear from them over and over again the biggest challenge they have as far as washington d.c. is concerned is every time washington d.c. does something by giving them money or something else they attach all kinds of federal strings to it. i couldn't agree more our teachers are very adamant that they don't want these rings attached. i believe in idaho teachers. i believe in idaho people. we can run the school district ourselves right here in idaho. legislature can do this. they do not need washington d.c. tying strings to. >> moderator: mr. mitchell.

mitchell: the idaho public school system needs help, no question. we spent less per pupil than any other state in the country. that is less even than mississippi. idaho schools do need help. i agree with the senator that when we get help from the federal government we need to minimize the regulations and strings that are attached to the money that comes from the federal government. the programs are well intentioned but often times with the federal government there is excessive regulation. one of the things i bring to the table is having worked inside the federal government, having worked at the sec i have an understanding of these runaway bureaucracies and agencies and how we need to keep them in check and not let them overregulate various aspects of our lives including education. >> moderator: we begin with dr. weather be. you will direct your question

beginning with nels mitchell. >> mr. mitchell, my question is what kind of democrat are you? and including your answer, tell us someone in the senate you would identify closely, philosophically or ideologically. mitchell: i am an idaho democrat. as an idaho democrat i do not necessarily ascribe to any type of california or massachusetts liberal agenda. i will represent the values of people in idaho. people in idaho do tend to be conservative but we are most important independent minded and we don't want people in massachusetts or california, those types of liberals telling us how we should live our lives. in terms of the people that i admire in the u.s. senate two of my heroes growing up in idaho were william borah and frank church. i think that they both served our state well, represented the

interests and values of the people of idaho. >> moderator: your follow-up. >> ideologically where do you stand on the political spectrum? mitchell: that is silly. i am not a liberal democrat. i think oftentimes these labels are a substitute for actual discussion of the issues. by calling me a liberal democrat, i haven't been called that since i was 19 years old. it was interesting to hear that today. i wouldn't characterize myself as a liberal democrat. i would characterize myself as an idaho democrat and somebody whose independence and will represent the values that we hold important here in idaho. >> moderator: you have an opportunity to respond. risch: oh yes he is. go to the web site and compare what he says with what harry reid sense, what barbara boxer

says and dianne feinstein. i work with these people every day. i know them and listen to them and i know what their court is. you compare what they write compared to what he has written, there's actually no question. everyone says i immoderate, a am not a liberal, i am this or that. the fact of the matter is the issues, the way he is talking about the issues is what i hear every day from the far left liberal organizations that is running our country today in the united states senate. >> moderator: a quick follow. >> international journal survey identifies you two years running as the most conservative united states senator. i think many people remember in idaho you were viewed as a pragmatic conservative. now you appear to have evolved into an ideologue. what happened? risch: i disagree with that. i do vote conservatively.

ten or a dozen of us vote conservatively and this will be a great shock but we are from a conservative state. i represent arguably the most conservative state in the united states and those of us who come from conservative states, whether it is utah or wyoming or oklahoma or texas, south carolina, we vote conservatively and when they do these polls i wind up at the conservative end of the spectrum. if i am reelected to the united states senate i will continue voting conservative lead to to represent the conservative values. 60% of idaho as you know in the boise state poll done every year, 60% of auto identify themselves as either very conservative or somewhat conservative. i feel i am doing exactly what idaho wants as far as representing the nick conservative fashion. >> moderator: from ideology to

the issues. >> 15 seconds. the conservative ratings are due fee. i don't understand -- i don't understand whether it is "national review" or who is putting this label of conservative because conservative should not include somebody who participated in shutting down the government, wasting $24 billion of taxpayer money. that is not conservative. that is to feed. >> moderator: more on the issues with justin. >> the campaign send questions for the reddick candidate. we will start with a question from nels mitchell for jim risch that goes like this. why did you vote against the federal legislation co-sponsored by senator crapoats to reduce domestic violence. risch: everyone degrees domestic violence is a cowardly despicable act.

i heard my speeches and sit on the senate floor, i have done something about domestic violence, started by public service as a prosecutor, participated in the north side rapist it, personally put michael highs our in prison and put lots of people in prison for domestic violence. is a terrible thing. everyone of us can agree with that. this is not a federal issue. this is a state issue. the constitution, article 1 section 8 is clear the central government is supposed to be a very limited authority. i hate domestic violence. everyone hates domestic violence. i have done something about it. the federal government has no business taking over is this issue from the state. belongs in the state and this is why we have this bloated large federal government we have today. >> moderator: mr. mitchell? mitchell: if i was in the senate i would have been a co-sponsor of the extension of the violence against women act with senator

craig pope -- crapof. violence against women act h . violence against women act has a number of good features and has several editions in idaho. is a serious problem. i would have worked with senator crapo to co-sponsor of the expansion of the act. in terms of this tenth amendment argument that is just silly once again. my opponent is cosponsoring legislation that would federalize idaho's ben carry permit law. you can't have it both ways. you can't hide behind the tenth amendment and vote against extension of violence against women act and then try to federalize the carry permit law.

risch: i started my career because of violence against women. the board was letting them out as fast as i was putting them in. when i went to the legislature back in the 1970s that was one of the biggest pushes i had. i got rid of the entire parol board, fired sam, now we have common sense keeping these people locked up the shouldn't be locked up. >> moderator: on your gridlock comment from a moment ago, excluding schools which we opened the debate with today, what is the biggest issue facing idaho and dovetailing on the grid lock reference, can congress do something about it, mr. mitchell? mitchell: congress conduce something about it but first of all in congress we have to get past the shrill partisanship that we currently have in the senate and in the house. we must move beyond that.

we must have people back in congress who are willing to work across the aisle to try to address the problems we face in idaho as well as in the country. in terms of the major problem we face in idaho, it is jobs and the economy. it is jobs and the economy. we have the lowest, the lowest income per person in the entire country. in the race to the bottom we have passed mississippi and arkansas. we need somebody back in washington, somebody in the senate who is going to work to promote jobs and the economy of idaho. and the senate and the opponent to bring the jobs coma act. we lost 18 jobs to china since 2000. just eliminate the tax break,

and shipping jobs overseas. c-span2 the thing facing 9 of families is something every american should be focused on. and the deficit spending, federal deficit spend $11 billion a day, $11 billion a day, first four years, about $4 billion to pay the bills then. the last couple years because of the tax increases obama has gone through with obamacare and others. only borrow in $2 billion. the national debt was $10 trillion over there and today $7 trillion and today 22 in dollars when barack obama leaves office. we got to get this right. i am dying to compromise on this issue. i want to talk to people to compromise on this issue. compromise got into this $3.8 trillion year spending, compromise that will get us out of this but when you talk about cutting back in washington d.c.

we got three hits. this nonsense has got to stop. >> moderator: dr. wetherbee the >> such a popular topic. on want to talk about the debt. with the senator considering what the federal budget is for social security, medicare, defense, what you pay for that there is no room if any to cut, what would you cut and is this a problem where the ceiling continues you can come away. mitchell: let's talk about what we won't cut. i promised when i ran for the united states senate i would not cut benefits the you have learned, social security, medicare and veterans' benefits. i will not cut that. i don't believe congress is going to cut that but there's plenty of room in the federal budget to start cutting and we need to start cutting. that will get as to where we need to be, but we can't just

look the other way on this. i am unhappy to report we don't get the discussion we need on this margin in d.c.. four years ago everybody was talking about a and nobody did anything and we moved on and the debt continues to pile up. >> you have an opportunity to respond, mr. mitchell. mitchell: i agree the federal debt is a problem but we have to look at where the problem started. the problem started in the bush administration was two unfunded wars. we can't simply blame it on the president and the current administration. they are still trying to pay off the two unfunded wars that were started by president bush. in terms of dealing with the debt it is something we need to address, but by going back to washington and voting no against everything, that won't help solve the problem. we need to come together and have a bipartisan solution to get the debt down. >> any ideas on how to increase the money coming in to the federal government? >> certainly.

is very easy. we need to close the loophole, we need to reform our current tax laws, close the loopholes benefiting the special interests and we can make great strides in reducing the debt. risch: the enthusiastic certainly? that is what we get from democrats all the time. let me translate this. tax increase. that is what they want. i promise you that i wouldn't do that. i won't raise your taxes. america has a spending problems. that is what america has got and that is what we need to focus on. >> moderator: dr. wetherbee. >> i begin with senator jim risch. in 2006, the legislation you pushed through the legislature that shifted the funding of education from the property tax to the sales tax, there has been a lot of commentary and about

the negative effects that shift has had on public education affecting the flow of the revenue source to public schools as well as throughout the state of idaho and equalized tax, what is your response to wears that legislation is today and its impacts on i hope? risch: that is a really good question. there has been some discussion on that. in 2006 when i became governor i've lived through two four decades of fighting against property taxes. i called a special session of legislation, you used the word push. you know better than when you try to push something in the legislature. two thirds of legislators voted for that. we took the millage off of the property tax for maintenance and operations lose when they did is it reduced property taxes 20%. we also put a penny on the sales

tax and millions in the rainy day fund which incidentally helped us through the very difficult times we had. i said we weren't going to do that unless people would sign off. we put it on the ballot, 72% of auto, every precinct in the state voted for that. here is another clear difference between the gentleman and i. if i am reelected i promise you i will use the influence of this office to see the your property taxes are not increased. this gentleman along with the man and the democratic side for governor has promised you he will work to increase your property tax 20%. if you want higher property taxes, if you wanted 20% increase this is your guy. >> moderator: mr. mitchell. mitchell: it is the lawyer trick with the senator is doing. he blames me for things that other people like doing, he tries to link me with other people because he does not want to address the issues.

in terms of the tax shifts that decimated our public education system in idaho the senator goes the students in the state and the parents in the state and apology. as i traveled around the state this year, it has devastated public education, a lot of our school districts can only afford to stay open four days will week. a lot of the programs have been cut because of that. it created a whole that our public schools never fully recovered from. we do need to approve our education system, that is clear, but as a u.s. senator i am not going to be focusing on raising property taxes. that is silly. it is something that i agree we need to focus on education in this state because right now we are spending once again the lowest amount per pupil in the country and it is a legacy of the senator's short-term as

governor. mitchell: at talk about the gentleman -- risch: had nothing to lose funding education since 2006. every january, for the rant but the legislature meets they decide what they're going to tax and what they're going to spend. what we said to the legislature in 2006 is we can use income-tax, sales tax, income from public land, liquor funds, lottery funds but you can't use property tax. state is that every year. it is a difficult job. you have to balance that that has nothing to do with the whining they have been doing about lowering property taxes. we actually lowered property tax. mitchell: the property tax is for the average person in idaho. they are only low because we have a homeowner's exemption, their lower for people with

large land holding. it didn't impact, it did not have a positive impact on most of the people in idaho. it is the single reason why our public schools are in the sad condition they are in today. risch: that is not true. >> moderator: okay. jim risch protected 9.3 million acres and became a state in the collaborative rulemaking process. the you agree with this process? how would you change it? risch: i have no argument with that collaborative process. mitchell: my disagreement with the senator is he has blocked the collaborative process representative simpson started in connection with attempting to protect crowds. the proposal was the result of collaborative process. it is my understanding when the

senator was running he said he would support representative simpson's proposal but since he has been back in washington he has been the reasons that the protection is not going forward. ..