be at the port of entry or even before they get to the hospital. . .nd we don't have a lot of proper equipment. sometimes the nurses are not informed about the extent of the illnesses or the disease. and some in the room are unprotected because you're not prepared of what you're going in the room to deal with. sometimes there's only gloves. and if you try to say well, i want to put on something extra, a gown or a mask or something like that, people get offended. they're so hurt about the look of how it would look to the families or the other people in the facility until they won't even let you protect yourself even if you wanted to because it's not something that they really honestly to be frank with

you, it's not something that they think is that important or they care that much about. host: jean ross, what's your response? guest: he's correct. he is correct. he mentioned, he's a nurse's adrian -- aide. we had to check is she a nurse. in many countries nurses aideth areat called that because that's ine kind of system they have got. you mentioned intake. intake is so important i will tell you we have had to fight mightily sometimes day by day with hospitals as to who actually does the intake triage. it should be a registered nursea butt again if you are looking t the bottom line many hospitals and systems are pushing people who don't have a nursing degree, are not nurses aides either.

they are people that you hand a algorithm and ask this question and we should be able to bring in the information that we need. this is dangerous. you want health careille professionals doing your triage especially a time like this. >> host: gainesville.wa >> caller: good morning. i want to ask if she's familiar. with me -- the fema training center and a former arms base where they have been doing for at least 15 years all training just for situations like this where anyone in the response community where this hospital worker or administrators can come down. they can actually work in an environment where they actually use where they simulate a

biohazard and actually have youa operate a respirator and i justs wanted to know if she was aware of it and w also this is 100% funded from travel lodging and meals open to anyone. >> host: are you saying thatshoe program should be drastically expanded here? >> caller: should be expanded. y it's woefully underused by the response community because it's not well-known. way it's about an hourhe and a half from the cdc in c.d.a atlanta and the cdc -- and this functioning as of september. elf >> host: jean ross are youwi t familiar with this? >> guest: iha myself am not familiar with that particular one however we do know that we can learn a lot from the people at fema who do this kind ofhi thing routinely.

when i mentioned the kind of equipment we need we also need proper training and proper training for us is people that know what they are doing having hands-on training with us and showing us and drilling, constant drilling down in practice. you have people come in and volunteer and we have to, we are told what the natural disaster was and water main burst in chemicals. we should have been practicing for accepting ebola patients. we weren't listened to up until now. >> host: we are talking was jean ross with nurses united. she has been a nurse for over 35 years in minnesota long-standing member of the nurses association. she is with us for the next

scene 15 minutes or so. we want to get as many calls as we can. we have a special line specifically for nurses. carol is on that line calling from connecticut. good morning. >> caller: good morning. this is very interesting. i'm glad i turned it on this morning. i have been a nurse for over 30 years and i have gone to many different places. another nursing population in the hospital is the largest expenditure in the hospital but a lot of times they do what things are available to us. i was just reading on line about their using gloves and masks and gowns. as jeanne just said you see what these other people are wearing and they are fully covered. i have never seen that in the hospital and i can see the hospital that i'm working and presently not putting money out there to do that. it is frightening and also going back to the person, the nurses

aide in the health care workers a lot of times they don't get the equipment either when they go into the room. >> host: tell us about the training you receive at your hospital when it comes to ebola. >> caller: as far as i know it's only the emergency room that got it. we are in like an areawide system and we have heard nothing about it. we did get some papers to the internet and that was about it. nothing has been given to us about it. >> host: what type of nursing do you do carol? >> caller: i work in the research unit. >> guest: again totally correct him when i talk about training for example as you recall we were told that the nurse had contracted ebola had training and now we are finding out what the training is and what she mentioned being given a link to the cdc web site where

they enter hospital web site is not interactive training. interactive training means you are facing you were teaching me. i have the ability to ask questions and i should. you need to depend on your nurses. nurses know what's best for the patient. we are the ones who do that work and in order to protect the other ancillary staff that were with us including the nurses aides we need to be listened to as to what is appropriate and what we need now. >> host: this is an example of some of the information available on the cdc web site, several page question and answer from the cdc questions and answers for nurses and health care workers. how do i protect myself against ebola in dealing with travelers and infection control? let's go to lilah waiting in washington d.c.. lila good morning, you were on with jean ross.

>> caller: good morning. this is a great conversation. if i used to work in education home health care and particular and i was thinking about this from the standpoint of h.r. policy. i know that a number of individuals i work with have family members that are from west africa and i don't think that we are thinking about it from the personal responsibility standpoint or even from each organization having a specific contingency plan if -- what if. if from an h.r. policy would does it look like? we can just necessarily depend on the individuals to be responsible enough to do things that are right. most people will put you will always have one that won't take things seriously. it what does that mean for the people working there and what does it look like in the school

system and it's really unfortunate. i feel for the nurses. i know in education, i work with charter schools i know first-hand what it looks like to work in an environment where you don't have a union and when he sound the alarm you are looked at as a bad person or an alarmist or you are just over the when things like this happen. with those nurses have lost their jobs if they said they didn't want to -- what would that look like? with added then defended? i also think terminations and point we have to look at it a responsibility from each individual business and what does it look like from the school system and what does that look like and really just use their brains and think. i have to protect myself. i have to protect the people i serve. i have to do my part. >> host: jean ross several questions there from lila. >> guest: you are right,

that's a lot of questions. she seems to have a really good handle on what it's like to protest and have a fear for your job. for nurses as well as teachers. it's not just a fear for your job. it's also a fear for your license. it's a very real fear. i mentioned it earlier and i can't stress it enough. the nurses from dallas who came here are -- and i understand because people do get fired for coming forward and doing their job which they are ethically and morally required to do which is to speak up and protect the patient. as far as personal responsibility i'm not sure where she was going with that but i will tell you this. you remember in the beginning they said did mr. duncan -- that he had been traveling back and forth. i hate it when we go there.

try to put yourself in his place. let's pretend for a moment he didn't know or suspect. you know, if you might be infected with a life-threatening virus the survival rate we are told is anywhere from 50% to -- the nonsurvival rate 50, 270 to 95%, would you say to yourself i stand a better chance going somewhere where i think they know what they are doing? i was planning to go home to see my family in the country. i think it's expecting an awful lot of people to say yes they should fully understand them but they might've been in contact with. >> host: a call waiting in anniston alabama. charles, good morning. >> caller: good morning. first i would like to say hats off to all the nurses and doctors and hospitals are really

making a difference in our communities and states and what role would you suggest or do you know that those federal emergency management agencies does play currently and if you don't know what would you suggest that they do and in response to demand a call before concerning fema what programs are available to state hospitals or private hospitals for training for nurses or doctors and who is responsible for allocating that money to a hospital when they were turned? >> host: ms. ross. >> guest: i really do not know and we are concentrating on the best education.

if the employers, at the cdc whoever says this is the best way to provide it, fine. what we are asking for is that they do their job, their due diligence and provide it for equipment and training so i cannot tell you what's in the works to cause that's not in our purview. >> host: registered nursing united states there is a little over 2.7 million registered nurses in the united states. courtesy of the bureau of labor statistics. the median pay $65,000 a year. that works out to about $31.50 per hour. we have time for more calls on this topic. going to sean waiting in sunnyvale california. sean, good morning. >> caller: good morning. i just have something i want to say by what she said earlier about fema. that seems useless. look what happened with hurricane katrina.

that was just a natural disaster, not even in ebola type disease. but also whoever looks over the mask orders and the masks and scrubs for the hospital shouldn't those people be under scrutiny for not supplying the nurses with all the equipment that you really need to serve the patient and also, you deserve the proper equipment and then some by the ebola is the serious and it's not airborne just put a t-shirt over your mouth. put on some gloves. that's a patient's life in there. you can just be in the hallways spinning circles. >> host: jean ross in our last minute or so here. >> guest: we are going to have to protect the people who care for the stations and fully protect them optimally.

if you don't you are going to definitely -- to stem this in any country. it's time to start listening to us. we warned you. this is what has been going on. we are not going to stop and we are going to insist that we are protected before we going go into care for these patients. >> host: jean ross is the co-president of national nurses united and nurses united.com and at national nurses if you want to follow them on twitter. we appreciate your time this morning. texas democratic congressman gene green will join us.

next the debate between the candidates for the arkansas second district seat in the u.s. house. democrat patrick hayes republican french hill and libertarian candidate debbie standiford are vying for the seat being vacated by tim griffin is running for lieutenant governor. the rothenberg political report rates this race as leaning republican. this is an hour. major funding for election 2014 debate is provided by aarp arkansas. ♪ ♪

>> moderator: welcome everyone to debate week here on a aet and the arkansas educational television network. i am steve barnes at this hour the race for congress in arkansas second congressional district. the candidates in alphabetical order patrick hays of north little rock the democratic party candidate, french hill of little rock the republican party nominee and debbie standiford of north libertarian candidate. the nominees will be questioned by a panel of arkansas journalist including michelle lederman, nathan vandenberg of ku a our public radio and steve bonner and independent journalist for each candidate will have two minutes for an opening statement. each will have two minutes to respond to a question while rebuttals are limited to one minute.

in the conclusion of tonight's broadcast each candidate will have two minutes for a closing statement. the order of opening statements, questioning the rebuttals closing statements all determined prior to the broadcast via drawing in which the candidate and his or her representative participate. our time team tonight is elizabeth of aet m. and with that our first opening statement is from mr. hays. hays: thank you steve barnes and the panelists good to be with you on behalf of my family, certainly the campaign that we waged today three weeks and one day the voters will be going to the polls. one week from today early voting begins. and let me add about today i would like to ask everyone to join me in helping me sing happy birthday to my middle

granddaughter isabella who turns 10 today. harper my grandson turned six five days ago and one year ago what happened in the honor of their birthday of course and i'm being a little facetious, the government shutdown. 16 days, nothing happened in washington and as i fought back in what we did at city hall for compromises that we made and how we worked across party lines how we didn't really care how we solve the problem other than dealing with the problem in making sure the last of the people that live in north little rock and certainly arkansas were made better was the top of our priority. the kinds of things that were going on in washington just sort of bubbled up in my soul and thinking about those three grandchildren and what their lives were looking for. i couldn't sit on the sidelines.

the cyan lines weren't an option. the history that i had in balancing 24 budgets and trying to make lives better every day for the citizens of our community just swelled up and made to the point where moving in a forward direction had to be something the sidelines was acceptable to me. we made a commitment to move forward to run for congress and to try to make the last of our kids and grandkids and future generations better and that's why i'm running for congress. >> moderator: mr. hays thank you very much. ms. standiford. standiford: first i want to thank all the candidates in the debate. i appreciate being here. by now you are probably familiar with my opponents in this race but you probably don't know very much about me. you are probably hear my opponents bickering over their minor differences as republicans and democrats always do.

and their solutions will undoubtedly be more and more government. but i would like to tell you about the real solution to this bickering. absolution is called the nonaggression principle and as a basis on which libertarian party was created through the nonaggression principle simply states that it is wrong to initiate force. the only legitimate use of force is in defense of our natural rights to life liberty and property. each of us has the same equal rights and each of us gives up a small portion of those rights to government that will collect -- protect all of our rights together. all laws no matter how small, with the implied threat of force against those who did not comp comply.

that is why it is so important that the force of government be reserved and restrained to protect the individual's rights. as we go through the topics i will attempt to demonstrate how to get government out of our lives and back into the role of defending our rights were it belongs. thank you. >> moderator: ms. standiford thank you. mr. hill. hill: thank you for the debate, aarp and of course dcaa and thank you pat and debbie for joining on the stage tonight. today i would like to type i'm running for congress. i'm running for congress because after 30 years in the private sectors i felt a calling to bring common sense business solutions to the challenges facing our country. for 30 years i have brought people together and i've helped businesses rickerman helped

other people form businesses create jobs grow my own business and focus on helping people make a better life for themselves whether planning a new church starting a doctor's practice or starting a small restaurant. that is what i've devoted my life to be the last two decades here in little rock as a banker. i want to go to washington because i want to bring that common sense leadership and problem solving to the challenges we face in the economy because here in the second congressional district there are fewer people working than there were seven years ago. the biggest challenge that i have heard a have heard as i have traveled the district for the last 10 months is about jobs and about economic opportunities. i think my experience, my leadership techniques can help create a system and congress that will give us more opportunities, fewer government mandates fewer big government one-size-fits-all solutions because that is what has gotten us into trouble with the career politicians that have won the congress and executive branch

for the past few years. if i have the trust of the people in arkansas i will take that common sense leadership to washington. >> moderator: mr. hill thank you. time now for the questions to begin. michelle lederman has the first question goes to mr. hays first. >> good morning. the united states is a world leader in the research and discovery of new products, medicine and business systems however the -- is mediocre. our young people on average do not demonstrate proficiency in many areas. in other countries you've have easy access to universities and lower tuition costs. what would you do to improve the level of student proficiency and access to schools of higher education and how would you fund this education? hill: you are absolutely right.

the foundation for the job production is skill training and what young people need to know to be able to go into the increasing changing job market. education is an absolutely critical part of future for what we have to do. the cost of education is exorbitant. one of the things i think that would be a great opportunity for us as her example in terms of student loan rates that kind of a burden that our young people have a hanging around their necks when -- they leave college is incredible. i don't understand why maybe we don't charge the same interest rates for student loans as with the fdic charges or banks which would obviously lowered interest rates significantly. it would make paying back your student loans a whole lot easier. the grant program, pell grants for example is another approach that can help our young people. increased emphasis on technical education, the kinds of job skills that people need to do to

find good quality education to take the skills and to go into the workforce. technical college during the 24 years that i was at city hall we partnered with the various different aspects of helping them grow and helping them foster the increase educational opportunities. they went from over 4000 students to somewhere in excess of 10,000 students so the road -- the role that congress has to play in partnering with state and local government and our educational system is critical and we are going to have to do more to do that partnership and reduce the cost of higher education. without that we are not going to have the skill levels of the applicants who need to have to have good-paying jobs that will help the economy grow. >> moderator: mr. hays thank you. two minutes mr. hill. hill: is a good question michelle and i think our country suffers at the k-12 level.

i think state and local governments must do a better job of trying to connect the jobs of the future with a good quality education. for example we need to have people have an aspirational track when they are in middle school and high school. i think it would be useful or not every student to recognize that not every student is college-bound and that there are many good jobs that are afforded our college and high school graduates in the vocations. we need those workers. we need them for an advanced manufacturing in over 50% of spam related jobs in arkansas are in fact available to people without air for your degree. also the workforce training programs in washington are broken. like a lot of things in d.c. those don't work. we spent something like $18 billion on workforce education across some 47 different programs scattered across the government.

those need to be reduced in total scope and just sent back to the states and perhaps the form of a block grant to governors and let governors work with local businesses to decide what kind of job training would be best for people in their local state. or take those dollars and turn him into a tax credit for employers to do their own training and get the kind of training that would be relevant for their own jobs and their own locale whether it's manufacturing or health care or whatever the growing business opportunity are in that local area. >> moderator: mr. hill thank you. ms. standiford. standiford: has been outpaced that throwing more money at education has not worked. what we need to do is to allow parents to make the decisions about educating their children. we need to institute school choice and allow the free market competition to improve the

products that our children are receiving into lower the costs. my children currently go to private school. i pay about a third of the cost at the cost that it costs to educate the public school child. the classrooms are less than half the size of a public school. they are allowed to emphasize in the areas that they want to, deemphasize in other areas. not every child will be great in math but they may emphasize other areas and excel in those areas. so rather than waste their time equally across all of the subjects, it would be better if they were allowed to focus. so my answer would be to include free market competition, school choice and as far as college education goes eliminating subsidies. if the subsidies that allow higher education costs to explode while the rest of the economy has remained stagnant,

education and health care are the two areas where you have seen this phenomenon and it's because of the excess government subsidies. >> moderator: ms. standiford thank you. mr. hays one minute. hays: one thing we have a mention in terms of education and i think it's absolutely important that we note that teaching community were the people who interrelate into other students every day whether it be higher education elementary and certainly technical education. my wife is a teacher for 34 years, 35 years and the kind of support that the teacher community gets, i think that ought to have a real focus on it. the kinds of things that they do every day interrelating with their students. i'll give you one quick example. my wife had a student. his name is jeffrey and she pulled them out of classrooms to give them extra reading. she tried to get them to read a sentence one day. she kept asking him to do it and

they wouldn't do it. finally he broke down into tears and he said ms. hays, i'm hung hungry. she took into the cafeteria and he had three bowls of cereal. the teaching community needs support and we need to work with them to make sure they are an effective partner of our educational system. >> moderator: mr. hays thank you. next question goes first in mr. hill. >> arkansas is leading the nation and reduce the number of its citizens without health insurance. what if anything would you change about the federal health care law? hill: thanks nathan. he gives me a chance to talk about some of the challenges we face with the presidents affordable care act, an important topic. in my view the affordable care act try to do too much and it's too complicated and a typical example of a one-size-fits-all solution to challenges in our health care system. we wanted to help people with pre-existing conditions have

better access to health care. we wanted to extend health care to the most needy across our country and we wanted to make health care more affordable rate those were the objectives i believe for the affordable care act and i think we did not succeed. it became too big and too complex. we didn't need to redo the entire health care system to tackle some of those issues. for example pre-existing conditions, we have 50 state pre-existing condition pools. they were essentially federalize. what we could have done in a much less expense to the taxpayer with a lot more focus on state and local government involvement would have been to ask governors what's not working in your pre-existing condition pools and let's see how we can work together to make that better. just as a key point about the difference. we also have an insurance distribution system across the whole country. we do need to create the expense cumbersome and complexity of the

affordable care act healthcare.gov. finally we don't need the mandates to mandate companies or by the health care or individuals have to buy health care that they might not want because those mandates make that more expensive. i've had several people walk up to me during the course of the campaign and talk about how the affordable care act has hurt their budget. it's more expensive, higher deductibles, double the price per month as they have attempted to buy health care in the new government system. >> moderator: mr. hill thank you. two minutes ms. standiford. standiford: as recently as the 1960s would it have affordable health care for almost all americans even for those with pre-existing conditions. what has happened since then has regulation and subsidies and the more regulations and the more subsidies that have been added to this industry the higher the costs have gotten.

once again government stepping in and trying to regulate the free market and ending up doing more damage than good. the subsidies like medicare and medicaid have made costs soar. the regulations that doctors and hospitals have to follow have also made costs soar. my solution would be to allow free market competition for insurance companies across state lines that would reduce cost of insurance and also to institute health care savings accounts. that will introduce an element of the free market to this industry as well. people aren't aware of how much their medical costs are costing them. so they don't shop around. they don't treat the medical industry as they would any other industry. with cell phones we have managed to improve the product and lower

the cost year after year. that does not happen in the medical industry and it's because there's not any free-market competition. >> moderator: ms. standiford thank you. mr. hays for two minutes. hays: if i were in congress i would have voted for the affordable care act. it's too complex and it cost too much and i think it as we all know the rollout was absolutely terrible. one of the things we can do is to try to do things that would reduce cost. we can allow medicare to try to negotiate better drugs prescription funds rate we try to reduce legislation that i was talking to some doctors recently and they had to hire two additional employees is six dr. firm simply to do the paperwork that they had to accommodate with regard to the complexity of the new regulations that were required. in fact if someone had a cut on their arm there are six different codes they would have to come into as to how a --

whether it be a scratch, it's incredible what some of these regulations are now causing to accelerate the cost and explode. there's one thing we need to remember and that is when a democratic governor with a strong republican legislature came up with a solution. the private option is one of the things that we came together to cover thousands of arkansans who have never had coverage before. our hospitals who were likely to have serious financial challenges are now receiving the coverage costs that patients are now going into the stores. the private option is an example of how people can work together to solve the problem, to help

arkansans and that's the message i will take to congress. we all hear about the same thing and we have got to do better. >> moderator: mr. hill 1-minute rebuttal. hill: first i think the suggestion of reduce hsa's and competition across state lines among insurance companies would be a big source of a much better more competitive plan for that suggestion. i would say to pat hays he really can't have it both ways. he can't be against obamacare of but for the private option saying it is obamacare in arkansas. i think what has happened is regulatory cost is the direction the obama administration has gone. it's a job-killing approach. it's actually an impediment to create jobs because the public here. it causes people to work fewer hours and create this part-time economy that we have. it causes small businesses to say i don't want to get above 50

jobs in order to have the burdens and costs associated with obamacare. so it's absolutely not the affordable care act. >> moderator: the quest next question goes to ms. standiford and it comes from. >> in a survey by the pew research 19 options for reducing spending not a single one was favored by the majority of americans. given the american people's aversion to spending cuts how would you balance the budget? >> i would balance the budget by eliminating a lot of the large department so we don't need. we do not need a federal department of education. we need to return those powers back to the parents and allow parents to make the choices on how to educate their children. i would also eliminate things like the department of hud, the department of the interior. there is no reason that the

federal government should own land and so to have the department of the interior that covers that is simply a waste of time. i would also eliminate much of the military budget if i were completely my choice. if we cut the military spending in half we would still be by far the largest -- ours would still be the largest military in the world by far. the cut in half again we would still have the largest military budget in the world. they cut it in half a third ti time, reduced it down to an eighth of what we are currently spending we would still have the largest military budget in the world. we need to bring our troops home and return to a system of national defense rather than a system of international offense. >> moderator: ms. standiford thank you. mr. hays. hill: first of all i would do what it did at city hall for 24

years. while you balance those 24 budgets and when we created jobs. we took things line by line and went over the things that we felt were essential to raise the quality of life and to do with public safety and to build a community that would attract jobs. those are the kinds of things we have to do in congress and then we cut waste. it's incredible, right now there's $1.5 billion being spent on real estate that is not needed, vacant real estate that the federal government is writing a check for every year and it's unneeded and it's unnecessary. there's a map that we have out now that talks about how we spent $600,000 to generate facebook lines. reagan supported a puppet show in long island and those are the kinds of things that we would take a look at and reduce the cost of government because it's there. there is plenty of ways that it

can be dealt with on a quick and frequent basis so we would go line by line just like we did at city hall. we would find things that we would invest in that would build jobs and create an added benefit to the economy and we would cut spending that's unnecessary. >> moderator: mr. hill for two minutes. hill: the budget is one of the key problems of our country. we are now at $17 trillion in debt and climbing and possibly in fy16 we will spend a trillion dollars on just interest on the national debt if interest rates continue their slightly upward trend. it's disturbing and that's why i support a balanced budget amendment because i don't believe you can get this group of career politicians and the american people together on how to cut spending without having a goal in mind, having an objective. i also support a constitutionally drafted and approved line-item veto to help residents cut out unnecessary spending and bills and do that

in a constitutional way. the real thing we need to do to get our budget priorities in line is prioritize the demand accountability and that's what congress needs to do. he needs to be dependent -- demanding of accountability and not every day have everything centralized at the federal level. i also think as it relates to our deficits and trying to get to the point where we can try to pay down the death of her grandkids and move this country forward we have got to get this economy growing again and it's not growing and it hasn't been growing. i've talked to you about fewer jobs in seven years ago but across this country there are 13 million fewer people working than in the economy at this stage in recovery. if we get our economy growing, if we get revenues coming in we can then have the kind of deficit reduction in long-term debt reduction that this economy needs to keep us a strong viable

economic leader in the world and offer educational opportunities that you talked about. michelle talked about the health priorities for our poorest citizens that we ought to do. we can't do that if we don't have a healthy growing economy. >> host: >> moderator: back to ms. stanford for a one minute response. standiford: we cannot balance the budget by tinkering around the edges. at this point it's going to be significant cuts. has to be significant cuts and it has to be in significant areas. the military and department of education for two easy choices to make where the american people would feel those cuts the least and would enjoy the benefits the most. i think that's it. >> moderator: thank you miss standiford very much.

our next question mr. lieberman goes first and a question goes to mr. hays. >> the united states as a country is founded on immigration. there are about 12 million immigrants and most of them are hired by american employees. congress has been reluctant to normalize this equation. it's an impossible task and building a continuous wall on the southern border could cost billions and doesn't guarantee that they will stay beyond their visa date. what would you do to solve this reality? hill: first and foremost we have to secure the borders. there's no question about having to do that. that's got to be our priority but i also believe at the same time you know that we can deal with some of the issues that have to do with the real economics of the benefits of a guestworker program for example.

i mean, there are numerous examples of crops rotting in the fields because they don't have enough workers to do the harvest so there are things that we need to do and both sides, the republican side in the democrat side both sides are committed to trying to find a way to deal with immigration program and certainly both sides feel very strongly that securing the border. there are bipartisan answers to this if we can just get some of it out of the way and sit down just like i talk about what we did at city hall. we didn't care about republican and democratic governments. what we cared about were problems that needed to be solvent needed to be dealt with in the future of the country is relying on. the economic benefits of trying to come up with a reasonable and certainly administrative approach to dealing with those security borders as well as doing the administrative and

dealing with the issues that have to do with the economy need to be done and they can be done jointly. they don't have to be done one at a time. it's his two-sided approach in a bipartisan way and those solutions are there to be found. >> moderator: mr. hill, two minutes. hill: immigration was one of the issues that split our parties and splits the congress. it's been a frustrating issue. president obama is my judgment has not been a leader here like he hasn't been a leader on a lot of things. he has not been able to bring both sides together to focus on the security of our border and to solve this humanitarian crisis on our american mexican border in my judgment can be laid at the foot of president obama and his administration why encouraging poor families to take the risk of coming to the border with their kids. it breaks my heart to see those kids there and it's a real humanitarian crisis. i agree with mr. hays that

securing the border is the top challenge. there is agreement on it that we have to move beyond that. we have to solve this humanitarian crisis. we need to do with democrats and republicans in the house and senate want to do which is amend the law that allowed those young people to get to the border in the first place. that is something that there is bipartisan support support for and the president was supposed to just playing politics in my personal view. he is not providing leadership there. we also need to encourage people who want to come here and work both in the trays as well as for ph.d. and research. we need to make it easier for them to come into our country legally. people wait in line for years to come to this country. they wait in small rooms in hong kong. they wait years to come to our country and its long -- ron to do anything except for legal legal immigration we need to figure out a way to promote

legal immigration and secure our border. >> moderator: thank you. miss standiford. standiford: well i'm certainly not for building a fence along our borders. there are two sides to a fence. one would be keeping us and then one would be keeping other people out. i don't want to be kept in anymore than i want to keep peaceful people out. whenever millions of people break a law, millions of peaceful people break the laws usually because there's something wrong with the law itself. and this law over strict immigration that we have is akin to prohibition. it has created millions of criminals quote unquote and it has created an entire underground of criminal activity. making people in, people

sneaking across the border and they are desperate to get here once they are so there's a lot of criminal activity at the border. we can either redouble our efforts which are not working to secure our border create a national i.d. card, increase this invasive application that we now have four jobs that requires you to prove your citizenship before you are allowed to work or we can change the law itself. our economy is depending on these laborers. the laborers want to be here and if we don't change the law we will simply spend more and more money on this problem without fixing it.

>> moderator: back to mr. hays for one minute. hays: this is a perfect example of what we can do to when we work together instead of trying to promote discord and rancor and in fact the reason i indicated i first wanted to run. you know we have got a commonality of purpose and one of the first things when i was asked why he was running for congress and what would be the first thing that i would do when i got to washington by answer was i would find a republican member of congress and make a friend. there is too little relationships and too little working together and recognizing that the future of the country is much more important than the future of the next election. parties need to come together and recognize that we have got things so we have got to do and we don't have time to waste in getting them accomplish. >> moderator: mr. hays thank you.

ms. standiford has the next question. >> minimum wage is receiving significant support. would you support increasing the federal minimum wage and why or why not? hill: i do not and the reason for that is i believe that all labor markets need flexibility in raising that minimum wage deters creating stepping stone type jobs for the youngest people in our society who are trying to develop skills for greater work, dignity for greater work, moving their lives forward for better and higher opportunities and raising that minimum wage deters that work. the cbo says if it could cost between 500,002,000,000 jobs if we raise the minimum wage to the proposed level. that concerns me. it also raises consumer prices because while small businesses might deter hiring new people

without wage rate and force their existing employees perhaps to work longer it will also raise consumer prices in both of those things help the least among us. they make it harder for people to have extra work to bring in extra revenue for a home that needs it and it raises costs for people who are on a tight budget. so i'm concerned about it from my point of view and i think the cbo laid out those arguments very persuasively. >> moderator: mr. hill thank you. miss standiford. standiford: well this is another example of government intrusion into the free-market trying to set arbitrary floors on wages. wages are a private contract between an employer and employee and employees and employers should be allowed to bargain further prices that they are willing to pay and prices that they are willing to work for.

what a false floor in the minimum wage does this simply push people out but don't have the skills to get the lowest paid jobs. implication is always that people are trying to support a family on minimum wage. that is almost never the case. the vast majority of people that are affected by minimum wage are upper-middle-class young people. those are the people starting out working those minimum-wage jobs through high school and early college, so it almost never affects those people that are actually trying to support a family on this income. so to set arbitrary barriers to keep kids from getting the skills they need to move up the ladder is one more example of a field good law or government steps in and it feels good to

say we should waste -- raises minimum wage and pay people more but if raising the minimum wage will actually have a positive effect than let's go ahead and raise it to 10, 15, $20 an hour. it's obvious that a certain point why we wouldn't do that. so it should be obvious why we shouldn't have the minimum wage to begin with. >> moderator: thank you. mr. hays. hays: to me it's incredible that we aren't in favor of personal raising your kids on minimum wage. the vast majority of arkansas voters support raising the minimum wage to $6.25 an hour. over three or period or period are what got $8.50. there was a young lady on this campus last week but said she had a 480 dollar -- 40 hour we

week. that's less than a thousand dollars a month before taxes in terms of arkansas's minimum wage. one of the lowest in the country is not the psychomohsin i support raising the minimum wage. i have signed a petition to do that. i think it's an incredible travesty for people to work full-time and still be considered in poverty. it's hard for me to understand where my two opponents are coming from. it actually helps the economy. it helps put people or give them the ability to be able to earn a livable wage and to build city care of their families. maybe they can on $6.25 provide for their families but with at two or three jobs with that rate. i strongly differ with the two candidates that are to my in terms of the minimum wage. arkansas deserves a raise of me to go to the polls to support that. i'm strongly in favor raising

arkansas's minimum wage in the application we raise arkansas's minimum wage to $8.50 obviously that would raise the federal minimum wage. i don't know what the magic number is on the federal minimum wage. i would hope we get it together in a bipartisan way but my implication in raising the menace -- arkansas minimum wage would raise the federal wage in terms of my support. spare and strong and i hope arkansas joins with me and make it happen. >> moderator: 1-minute rebuttal mr. hill. hill: this gets down to what's the best way to help young people develop skills and develop opportunities and a better career and what's a way to help our families do better? if a family is truly in poverty that minimum wage is not the answer. it discourages jobs and discourages advancement and work. the earned income tax credit is a much more effective idea to help poverty families grow in their ability to earn more

income and have more opportunity. we need schools that don't fail our kids. we have public schools that fail are kids and i don't get the education. that's why supported literacy efforts in our public schools. we need to tackle the workforce improvements we talk about a many to change or tax code in the state of arkansas nationally to encourage economic growth. bring more money back from overseas and develop our manufacturing base and our economy here for more jobs and more opportunities. >> moderator: the next question goes first to miss standiford. >> what should be the american policy regarding isis and what sacrifices should americans not in uniform be asked to make to pay for that policy? standiford: americans not in uniform? i think america's response to isis should be to as thomas jefferson said friendship with all countries and in tangling

alliances with none. we should be in the business of defending our citizens not going around the world policing the rest of the world. so i don't think the average american should make any sacrifices in order to deal with isis. government intervention once again has created most of these problems. we have funded many of these dictators before we then had to go in and take a dictators in the middle east. said government steps in, tries to solve the problem, creates a worse problem and it has to go in again and again and again to try to solve that problem. the problem never gets any better and we end up spending and more until our military budget is absolute bankrupting us. what we should do is pull our

troops back, all people dislike foreign troops on their soil. we are creating blowback with these policies. we need to pull our troops out of those countries and bring them home, keep a strong defense and that's all. >> moderator: miss standiford thank you. mr. hays, two minutes. ..

>> >> the situation that we experienced with 9/11. so the world is too connected or that our borders are ones that we can save when we put people in harm's way we have done that before but eidenshink we need to have those from the geographic area that we are protecting our homeland and they have a greater stake than we do to combat the terrorist. hill: i will echo the part of the armed forces and their talent while they protect our national security interest the

terrorism problem due to lack of leadership but i think his decision when syria created a booming spot for isis allowing it to explode in syria into iraq the president's lack of leadership to negotiate its status of forces agreement with the government of baghdad leading strategic ground and air support and the coalition forces allowed it to blossom to make it clear and present danger to our interest into the country. therefore we must be behind the curve for a strategy to hold back isis to think of a

clear strategy that will achieve that's the to support the american people and congress then has the overwhelming chance of success and if we put that together i think america's leadership can roll isis back but this problem blossoms due to lack of leadership from president obama but our people are in harm's way we have crews on the ground there they're risking their lives for our country and our way of life it is something that can be worse in the west. we saw in boston, a ft. hood and out here. rehab examples of terrorists getting into our country to do us harm. standiford: of the interventionism is similar

to stirring the hornets' nests the more we stick in the state cannister the more they swarm we have been in the middle east intervening in national security interest that is a euphemism for oil we are there because of our security interests of oil. recant create safety by going around the world to carry a big sticking and threatening people. these people aren't being free and terrorism is visiting us because of what we have done decades past. and an example of an isolationist is north korea in an example of non interventionists is switzerland we have peaceful countries around the world that doesn't have the problem with terrorism that we have.

>>moderator: we have reached a point in the evening where we are prepared for opening statements by the prior agreement by random selection mr. hayes those first. hays: into those said is watching every shade my wife and my daughter her husband and three grandchildren who inspired me in large measure to get into this race because their generation is not being taken care of your thought about in congress when you have the arab discord and the dysfunction alidade that washington displays we don't care about problem said washington and we care about party and partisanship and it is absolutely wrong for 24 years we've balanced budgets and to care a solving problems we did not worry

about democratic republican the there was a problem that needed to be solved. that is exactly what i and we need to do in washington we don't need to worry about the next election but the next generation and that is what i intend to do. to take those 24 years dealing with people from all parties to take that experience of bringing people together to solve problems to make the country a better place for all of us to live for those three grandkids and their generation. tomorrows a better day that has to be the problems we are facing a much too complex to not worry about being together how we solve our problems and that is what i intended to urdu every day that i get up to work with other people to make sure good things happen to the united states of america and those in the

second congressional district want to work for jobs in the future of the country and we will do is to. god bless america. thank you for listening. standiford: from ebola to teach auntie government health care they always tell us about government and disaster will be fall as you heard candidates said they believe the way the federal government should step in to fix the economy and immigration but none of those have anything to do with defending our rights. this past weekend i met a couple who had immigrated here from poland and i shared with them and was running for congress into little nervous to be here today. they told me because of the things they had seen they

wanted me to be here and speak against overreaching government they wanted me to me that voice. i am honored and humbled by and here today to speak for them. i've also honored and humbled by and here to speak for my children because i want them to use have more freedom not lessen their lifetime but the freedom to make mistakes, bad choices and learn from them. i am here to speak for those on board and jewelry are burgeoning with massive amounts of debt without their permission we do not have the right to burgeon people who does that ever write jews speak with themselves so i am speaking for those please stop thinking government is the answer. government is forced to defend your rights and that is all.

thank you. hill: i care american indian states to serve the public eye spent 30 years bringing people together as an adviser to president bush 41 as a civic leader as a volunteer a children's hospital and a volunteer with the boy scouts in the community banker i have told people bring their dreams to life. there in the church adopters practice i help them achieve their dreams i believe strongly in our country in the freedoms and i can be a change agent of the people of the second district sent me to represent them in washington. know how to cut down the regulatory burdens to be on the frontlines of under regulation and how to cut

back from the executive branch and as the business person to encourage work and savings and thrifty and investment to get the economy growing again i know i represent a clear contrast of this election, as somebody who has been there and done that to create jobs, help community and understand the burdens of washington led by obama over this economy. i am not a career politician or tax-and-spend liberal i want to get up to do something to make our country better the fewer mandates, more choices. less government one-size-fits-all solution more opportunities for all people. that is the kind of person of the second congressional district want to represent them who comes from the community as a job creator in a business person to take

common-sense conservatism to washington. >>moderator: thinks to all three candidates and also to the panel of journalists for your contributions and a special thanks to the university of central arkansas and the ruml's performance center. thank you for joining this. this concludes our program in our debates for the second congressional district. there is more coming up. good night. ♪ ♪

>> super pac support ec some commercials here and there but the specific question is made in those for and against from cedar rapids iowa city in dubuque will begin the of congressmen. >> ag very much. is great to be here tonight. much has been said about the

advertising so i have been given the assignment to review to some of these advertisements the super pac particularly these have millions of dollars of money coming from outside of i was that you have no control over at all but driven by fear and scare tactics. survival jay z orders lately because of gun-control i heard in added day congressmen that nra political victory fund that you are going to take away my second amendment rights and title like that what is the answer? >> i have never met michael bloomberg. [laughter] i have no idea what these ads are based upon the other than a theory i will bring balanced common sense to try to come up with reasonable solutions to reduce gun

violence like i have working with a republican named tim murphy from pennsylvania we held a lot of hearings on the connection between our failure of mental illness in this country. through those bipartisan hearings we look see the largest mental health treatment county in united states is a lawsuit those county jail but when joni ernst is asked what to do she was asked about her add that she ran in the primary she shot a pistol into the camera let me take game at obamacare she called it an unfortunate accident right before the shooting in santa barbara that was none an accident to the victims and their families. >> that is a horrible tragedy and i have stated that already. but where you have stated

you will work for mental-health reform, we have actually done that in the state of iowa working to a better system and easier access for the most vulnerable in our population to received care they can walk into many places to discover where they can go for treatment. with their world or in a populated area. we want to make sure there is easy access for those that suffer from mental illness to get the care that they need but i will always be a strong supporter of the second amendment. the state monitor -- keeping with our state motto.

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>>moderator: to candidates are looking for the seventh district in congress ami bera and challenger doug ose they will debate here at the television studio the broadcast begins now.

♪ sponsored by capital public radio fulsome college, kvie day public television and "the sacramento bee". ♪ >>moderator: voters will decide who will represent the seventh district in the house of representatives that is situated in eastern sacramento county includes the cities of falls of and cordova this close race has attracted national attention the only scheduled debate between incumbent democrat ami bera and republican challenger doug ose the representative was elected to the post in 2012 doug ose

represented the third district 1999 through 2005. but the past to capitol hill goes through our studios tonight. i am your moderator for the evening we have a panel of three journalists that will question the candidates. the managing editor of capital public radio. "the sacramento bee" bureau chief and from folsom lake college online newspaper also with us a studio audience they will save their applause until the conclusion of the debates. is made -- my job to ensure questions are answered and keep an eye on the clock so we will begin with opening statements those were decided with the coin toss starting with ami bera. bera: my story always starts

as my parents immigrated in the '50s they settled in california my wife and i have been married 23 years living right here in elk grove for the last 19 our daughter just carter senior vice goal so i ran on three simple promises to introduce no budget no paid if members of congress do not do their job they should not get paid i kept that promise and i promise not to take any pay raises and work across the aisle to get sacramento county working again i did that and promised not to take a pension in keeping it from being privatized it is my honor to be a doctor in our community and to be a member of congress the past year. >>moderator: now time for mr. ose opening statement. ose: when my wife and i talk about the future for our

children are the children of the country we think of an optimistic view focusing that the individual can make a difference and hard work pays off we're all in this together. said the today my confidence in our country shaken because washington is broken. the economy is not creating jobs and is very uncertain if it ever will. obamacare is not working and costing us jobs. my hope is we will fix those things. putting politics before people advocating for things adverse to this district the canada from 2012 asking him to solve these problems is asking a burglar to stay in your house when you're out of town and expecting things to be there when you get

back. >>moderator: we appreciate these opening statements that is time to move on to questions. the candidates were not shown questions in advance and no say to decide the topics. each as the seconds to answer also 30 seconds for rebuttal we only have one hour so i will be strictly enforcing those time limits. the first question goes to doug ose. >> starting with health care you mentioned obamacare or the affordable care act you said you support the repeal but we keep certain aspects such as coverage despite the pre-existing conditions but what is the plan for the millions of californians that have insurance under the exchange what would you do for them? ose: obamacare is failing it is costing jobs for all sorts of sectors with the small business.

the president promised we could keep our doctor and that promise is not true and promise the price of health care would go down and that is turned out to not be true. and although within the 3,000 pages of the affordable care act that have merit the vast majority of the bill is not consistent with the needs of this country what we need to do is make sure people can have coverage for pre-existing conditions to shop across state lines to get the best deal to pick their own doctor. the problem is obamacare is killing jobs. if you don't have a job you cannot afford to pay for the health insurance if you desperately need. i'm in favor to repeal and replace with something that works that does not kill jobs. also what concerns me is the

administration stripped billions from medicare that is a safety net our seniors rely upon and that is bad policy purpose simply bad policy if i were a senior the representative was defending that i would be seriously concerned if they were really worried about my interest. >>moderator. bera: i will address the claim first two years ago the congressman made that claim and it was called malaya. how many times does somebody have to call it a lie until you stop telling the? now i look at the affordable care act from the perspective of the doctor with i have taken care of far too many patients to have lost jobs and you can

see the fear on their face and i am frustrated but the affordable care act is not the solution i would have come up with that now let's make a better. that is why work across the aisle with the no-nonsense solution that lowers the cost to the average sacramento family $600 per year on average back into their pockets. but mr. ose wants to go back to the time with health insurance companies were in charge or a pre-existing condition could be denied. was make a better and move forward. ose: he has subscribed to the talking points that

nancy policy has given him. the affordable care act stripped $716 billion of medicare funding going forward that is the cbo number. not mine. in addition the consequences of the affordable care act that doctors refuse to take medicaid because reimbursements are too low. >>moderator: again this is blatantly false we will leave that up to those set looked at this earlier this week but if you want to keep repeating that we can look at it. this is about as doctors taking care of patients at '01 to go backwards where when a person comes down with cancer they can be denied coverage or want to move forward.

>>moderator: the next question anger comes from dan smith. >> by helping small business california unemployment rate was still 7.4 percent the fourth largest in the nation. what have you done in the last in years to create jobs and what will you do if we send you back to washington? >> too many families are still struggling as america was hit hard and people can talk about the economic recovery but so many lives month to month and paycheck to paycheck that is why i would not take any pay raises until sacramento county was working again and i kept that promise. i got full funding for folsom dam that is the biggest federal project in the country right now with hundreds of construction workers to help us protect

our community. my office has done dozens of small business workshops that is the backbone we have shown those owners how they could access to capital and use census data to plan their expansions and then also work with major employers those are major manufacturers believe were close to get the biggest automotive contract we still have a long way to go because we were hit hard by this recession and mr. ose suited for tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas. we have to create those jobs right here. >>moderator?

ose: last week congressman bera spend federal dollars to advertise a small-business workshop to meet with small-business owners to educate them about to close the federal government has and what they can take advantage of but this means so much he did not show up for the workshop. item no how 90 percent of the job in showing up you did not show up for your own workshop be spent federal resources with all these small business resources then did not show of to take their testimony or input to small business is the backbone of this economy i am a small businessman i have been a small-business owner since i got out of college and i know what it takes to do the job and what remains. it is not easy. small business is not

getting the assistance it needs from congressman bera in that needs to change i know people also and as an aside programs you have been advocating for a bike the affordable care act with there was a bill to weeks ago for $25 million because they provide health insurance to the employees that was a tax. bera: we have to get people working again. the jobless rate and unemployment rate is still too high around 7 percent. to many families are struggling it is important to my office to work with small business owners the rework on behalf of those who live there. i am proud of that.

ose: he spent our tax dollars to advertise a small-business workshop with 15 small business owners showed up and he did not. this is representative government for a reason if you call small-business owners you should give them the courtesy teeeight 90 the next question goes to mr. ose the. >> you have two daughters and colleges a you know, there is a signal to the challenge to pay college tuition. what steps do you think congress should take to help those who cannot afford college? ose: that is a great question for, you and your daughter is your age. week the to get this economy going so cases to they can finish their education to

come not to find a job in their chosen profession right now this economy remains uncertain and jobs are at risk it is a function of the policies that obama is the policy and congressman bera continue to pass. there are five things:to mention the need to get the economy rolling to give the chance to create the jobs. in to figure out what it is what we need in this economy in juniors, basket weavers? what do we need? then find a way to incentivize those disciplines that allows us to advance our economic needs. we need to find a way to know he shares my view but u.s. - - to see change in admissions process to increase the number of overseas and out of state solicitations for a moment.

played a minute we pay for the uc system they should be for our kids not for someone out of state i am sorry my time is up but we have to get the economy going to get good jobs to pay the debt. >> that is a great question. in a year's worth of community college work and our daughters in high-school it does not cause that today. kids are graduating hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. lee have to make college affordable again the promise of higher education if they have the desire and the ability were guaranteed to go to college is one of the

greatest assets are best brand. so we have to fight to keep interest rates down on student loans but how did it go from $393 from a public university to what kids paid today at $40,000 per year or higher? we have to get to the root cause to bring the cost of education down that is an investment i am only here because of the education i received i worked hard to get where i am but that opportunity aces did that made the investments will be invested again from your generation. ose: talk about the value of the uc system we are both

graduates of the system. member of congress has the opportunity to use their influence to reverse the disproportionate students slots to add a state students and have the ability as congress to exercise the ability to control cost that is the appropriate role for a member of congress. bera: i agree this is a public university and was part of d.c. part of admissions medical school our students should be given priority to go to the school. i cannot tell them what to do but absolutely i do use the bully pulpit and restarted with one of my colleagues because this is california public higher education contest because we

have to advocate. >>moderator: the next question? >> as you will although california is in the midst of the three-year drought. but yet there is still no agreement in washington you mention the folsom dam project that would also you doing to help the region and thus they cope with the drought? >> we're in the worst drought of life it affects the food prices. we have been working with a one to address the threat. in the lakes are at the lowest levels in we can keep them down that folsom dam when completed that will allow us to hold onto more

water during the dry years and then obviously we have the flood risk saluki to communities safer. we absolutely agree on a lot to increase storage capacity , dozens of workshops working with those in the community and what they can do. and they should be proud of themselves we have introduced consumption by 20 percent. long term we have to make sure we fight against proposals and we have taken the lead because it does not create additional issues. what has changed we, mia opponent thinks the climate has changed but we have to come up with new ways to

move the ladder. >> of course, you are not sleeping a wish congress had the ability to make their brain but they don't but they do have the ability at the time we are at historic lows in terms of rainfall. for the past 15 months to talk of reducing the outflows from folsom dam because the very real possibility we will need the water and here we are. congressman bera has declined to make any effort to reduce the outflows. he has today or recently come out in opposition to the tunnels. the opposite of 2010. and to protect resources to stop spending or stop sending a south.

but said diem to constitute taking water to send it south to los angeles. congressman bera has not spoken upon this were picked up the phone to talk to the bureau about reducing all flows. that is why we send out thousands of feet more. that has to stop. >> tell the truth. that we have kept the levels at very low lovell's with the consent basis that there

is not enough. and to move it south to support the plan? >> and members of congress don't usually contact us but that was in direct response and after i made then you said nothing. in the members of congress has the ability to do that and congressman bera has not stepped up to do his job. >>moderator: if anybody does and how to make it rain but does no. [laughter] moving on to the next question. >> california business groups called for the house republicans to support the immigration bill that natalie secures the border

but provides the past for legal status for undocumented immigrants will you encouraged of leadership to support this approach to please tell us why or why not. >> this speaker supports reform of the immigration and has been very clear. congressman bera knows that and i know that. but the first-ever queeney to take on immigration is as secure border imports of entry to have additional individuals coming in we don't know who they are or were they come from. the problem is the fault some leadership on the democratic side today the last time our country tried to take on reforming immigration part and parcel after the '86 reform to not implement the republican side of the deal so what we have there is no faith that

they sit at the table to do both sides of the deal that is what they're worried about is the comprehensive immigration that congressman bera will talk about it is undefined in does not allow us to control who comes in. i know congressman bera parents immigrated here from india that is a good thing they came here legally by and for legal immigration consistent with our laws i am delighted his parents are here even given the circumstances but the fact is we have a legal system to enforce our laws and we need to start securing the border bera: i was glad my parents are here as well. [laughter] we are a nation of immigrants and build says sen nation of immigrants one group after another but we have to solve the

comprehensive immigration bill we agree less secure the borders and i and a co-sponsor of the comprehensive immigration bill that passed in a bipartisan way at of the senate is a no-nonsense bill that also starts to address the larger immigration and issue we should want the best and brightest to come here but also stay here to build their companies here. this is a bill of the cbo says will add over $100 billion to our economy. it is a good bill supported largely by the business community and the farming community you're actually denied a as a question of you would support and co-sponsor that immigration bill i think it is the smart approach in the right thing to do. ose: what does comprehensive

ming? with congressman bera it means all the folks who are here illegally are given an amnesty in citizenship. that is when he is after i am not prepared to go that far. i want the border security and day:discussion about how we improved our immigration system. that is how the system works best and how we move forward. >>moderator: we will close up this conversation. bera: means address a broken system to secure the borders to get the best and the brightest to come to america but we let them stay here to build their jobs here and address those working on farms. passenger of a comprehensive immigration bill by everyone pretty much. >>moderator: now is time to move on we will let each candidate ask each other a

question agreed to by both candidates and doug ose goes first teeeight nine has a chance to respond. go-ahead. ose: n10 times you have voted to protect legislation the $716 billion for future funding of medicare recipients. that is just bad policy. bera: we will leave it up to the immediate touche decided that claim is no lie or not. but when it comes to medicare my parents are on medicare. we have to do everything we can not just to protect medicare but to make sure it is they're not just for today but our kids and grandkids. that is why i fought against attempts to cut medicare. my own party wanted to cut

medicare vantage i stood up as a doctor to push back because medicare advantage is actually working and diagnosing views earlier to keep people healthy. so both democrats and republicans would push back and we won because this is about protecting medicare. congressmen use supported a budget that turns medicare into a voucher plan and seeing the guarantee as you know, it to. this is for our parents to have the care they need. >>moderator: you have an opportunity to respond. ose: no way around you voted to cut $716 billion from medicare the cbo cbo, congressional budget office that works for congress where you work said this bill cuts $716 billion

for medicare funding. i don't understand why you cannot say why you stripped that funding. 10 times my parents are your parents or neighbors will all be thrown or who knows where they will be thrown teeeighteen we need to move onto the next question. bera: with your three terms in congress where do to stand up to crosstree bankers? ose: first was when the wall street bankers decided they wanted to hide behind the campaign finance laws and not disclose who was giving money. was a co-sponsor of making fine gold that allowed americans to know where the money comes from. bear with me.

on contrast congressman bera has made a career to take money from wall street and in return granting the exemption with the affordable care act. the other items that i stood up to wall street have to do with their desire as special treatment and tax laws and provisions for the unique enterprises. something you have routinely and regularly voted to defend. i car -- an anomaly carved out the exemption for yourself with the affordable care act as also for wall street. i don't understand what is cheaper loyalty to wall street?

bera: he cannot even set up with a meeting of wall street bankers because he is protecting them he voted to do deregulates when they became too big to fail. will stand up to the middle-class protect our seniors and that is what this election is all about. >>moderator: it is time to move back to our panel. and it will be asked. because just adopting the yes means yes law that all campuses but the absence of snow does not mean consensus. sexual assault is not just a california issue by national. do you think best guess means yes. this is domestic violence that has got a knot of control we have to get a

handle on it. we agree. we're both stemming he looks at the same way but we have to redress that is why i posted monday balance floor. and keeping an eye out including the threat of violence against women and i am delighted that the governor signed the legislation which has been an that we can act -- inappropriate to savor the

night was one of 60 votes in favor of that. with title ix a provision that requires different campuses and universities provide reports on the incidence of such crime. some comply and some do not i think it is appropriate for members of congress to insist that universities comply with the title the provisions. the reason they don't have to do with the fact they do not want to put out in public adverse information for future students to consider when they get around to thinking about college. this is something that strikes at the foundation of representative government perk he will stand up to address this quarter be honest. >>moderator: this sounds like yes means yes should be

nationwide? >> absolutely. >> no disagreement here. bera: it shows that we can agree and are willing to work together to put our kids first to get things done. >>moderator: we are moving on. >> the ebola crisis became more real for americans today and the first person to be diagnosed died also today the above administration announced it would screed before the disease at airports. what additional actions to the government take to make sure it is safe with hospitals and transportation systems? >> dealing with the challenge of ebola is extremely difficult. in but the point of which was to allow it but trying

to keep it from coming into the united states but in 2010 much to the dismay of many the obamacare administration repealed those to what we're those survivors never airlifted out there was none a single question posed in then schuster take those oral threats and then worry about

the small pox bet to get ahead of its like triage. virus soon. >> we are safe here but we do have to step up the spending. i support.

>> but to reassure those developing symptoms of life. but if you want to get ahead but it is incredibly important. that we have the infrastructure here this is self clinic in. >> i stipulate that congressman bera knows more than i do but is set for

public hearing on the subcommittee dealing specifically with testimony from ebola victims that were airlifted for treatment and he did not ask. >> again i have been at the forefront working with the cdc and to get ahead of this. there is the preeminent health care organization in the world. better than the who and they are taking a lead. >>moderator: now we're moving from ebola but what will lead you support?

>> but hopefully the cdc will not share with us the will: - - but those that are contesting but this is a very serious threat that cannot be dismisse because she did not read your briefing or do not ask questions. this is something you need to get in an open and the in

conversation with the sec. >> now we will move on to question corrects. >> has not updated the war authorizations but this is the worst of the worst.

that said this is a challenge that has to be dealt with by the people in that region. the a jordanians is the saudis. i did support the president limited air strikes. against isis we have to combat them and shut them down but i am against ground forces in the middle east again we have been down that road before. the people have to be willing to fight for their country we cannot send our men and women. the syrians have to be willing and the saudis and others. i also believe the 2002 has expired we have to repeal that if we do this it has to be limited authorization. we were at a farm two weeks ago and the same issue came up.

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