the american people would feel those cuts least and enjoy the benefits the most. i think that is it. >> moderator: thank you. our next question goes to mr. hays. >> the united states is a country founded on immigration. legally and illegally. there are 12 million immigrants and most of them are hired by american employers. congress has been reluctant to normalize the situation.

the porting 12 million is an impossible task and building a continuous wall on the southern border would cost millions and doesn't guarantee the committed won't cross through canada, buy seat or stayed beyond their visa expirations date. what would you do to solve these existing realities? hays: we have to secure the borders. there is no question about having to do that. that has got to be our priority but at the same time, we can deal with some of the issues that have to do with the real economic of the benefits of a guest worker program. there are numerous examples of crops in the fields because we don't have enough workers to go in and do the harvest so there are things we need to do. both sides, republican and democratic side, both sides are committed to trying to find a way to deal with the immigration

program and both sides feel strongly that securing the borders, there are bipartisan answers to this if we could just get the rollout out of the way and sit down like i talked-about what we did at city hall. we didn't care about republican crime and democratic garbage. we cared about problems that needed to be solved, needed to be dealt with and the future of the country is relying end the economic benefits of coming up with a reasonable and administrative of roche to dealing with securing the borders as well as the administrative, deal with the issues that have to do with the economy need to be done and they can be done shortly. they don't have to be done one at time. is the two cited approach in a bipartisan way, both solutions are there to be found. >> moderator: mr. hill, two minutes. hill: immigration is an issue that splits the party, splits

the congress, it is a frustrating issue. president obama has not been a leader here like he hasn't been a leader on a lot of things. he has not been able to bring both sides together to focus on security of the border and to solve this humanitarian crisis on the american/mexican border that in my judgment can be laid at the foot of president obama and his administration by encouraging poor families to take the risk of coming to the border, it breaks my heart to see those kids and it is a humanitarian crisis. i agree with mr. hays that securing the border is the top challenge. there is agreement on it but we have to move beyond that and solve this humanitarian crisis. we need to do what democrats and republicans want to do which is amend the law that allows young people to get to the border in the first place. that is something rare is bipartisan support for and the

president was a -- opposed to, just playing politics in my personal view. he is not providing leadership. we need to encourage people who want to come and work in the trade as well as for our ph.d. and research, make it easier for them to come to our country legally. people wait in line for years to come to this country. years. they wait in small rooms in hong kong, they wait years to come to our country and it is wrong to do anything except support legal immigration and we need to figure out a way to promote legal immigration and secure our borders. standiford: i am against building a fence around the border. one would keep us in and one would keep people out. i don't want to keep people

people out. whenever millions of people break a law millions of peaceful people break a law is usually because there is something wrong with the llama itself. this lot of restricted immigration is akin to a prohibition. it has created millions of criminals and it has created an entire underground of criminal activity, taking people in. people sneaking across the border. and desperate, there is a lot of activity at the border. we can redouble our efforts which are not working to secure

our borders, create a national id, i'd, increase this invasive application we now have for jobs that requires you to prove your citizenship before you are allowed to work. or we can change the law itself. our economy is demanding these labors, the labor wants to be here. and if we don't change the law we will simply spend more and more money on this problem without fixing it. >> moderator: back to mr. hays for rebuttal, one minute. hays: this is a perfect example of what we can do when we work together instead of trying to promote the scourge and meringue court and the reason i indicated i first wanted to run. we have got commonality of need, we have commonality of purpose

and one of the first things when i was asked why i was running for congress and what would be the first thing i would do when i got to washington my answer was i would find a republican member of congress and make a friend. there are two little relationships, too little working together and recognizing the future of the country is more important than the future of the next election. parties need to come together and recognize we have things we need to do and don't have time to waste in getting them accomplished. >> moderator: the next question to mr. hill. >> arkansas's proposal to raise the minimum wage is receiving significant support in the state. would you support raising the federal minimum wage? why or why not? hill: i do not support raising the federal minimum wage and my reason for that is i believe all labor markets need the ability to have flexibility.

raising the minimum wage deters creating stepping stone type jobs for the youngest people in our society who are trying to develop skills for greater worker, dignity for greater work, moving their lives forward for better and higher opportunities and raising the minimum wage deters that work. the cbo says it costs between 5 and did thousand dollars and 1 million jobs to raise the federal minimum wage to the proposed level. that concerns me. it also raises consumer prices because while small businesses might be termed raising or hiring new people at the wage rate and force their existing employees to work longer they will also raise consumer prices and both of those held the least among us. they make it harder for people to bring extra work for extra revenue for a home that needs it and raises costs for people who

are on a tight budget so i am concerned from that point of view and the cbo late out of those arguments persuasively. >> moderator: debbie standiford. standiford: this is another example of government intrusion into the free-market, setting arbitrary floors on wages. wages are a private contract between an employer and an employee and employees and employers should be allowed to bargain for the prices they are willing to pay and what they're willing to work for. what a floor on the minimum wage does is push people out that don't have the skills to get the lowest paid jobs. the implication is always that people are trying to support a family on minimum wage. that is almost never the case.

the vast majority of people affected by minimum wage are upper-middle-class young people. those are the people starting out, working minimum-wage jobs through high school and early college so it almost never affects people trying to support a family on this income so to set arbitrary barriers to keep kids from getting the skills they need to move on up the ladder is one more example of a feel-good law where government steps in, it feels good to say we should raise the minimum wage which pay people more, but if raising the minimum wage had a positive effect, let's go ahead and raise it to $10, $15, $20 an hour. is obvious at a certain point why we wouldn't do that. should be obvious why we shouldn't have a minimum wage to

begin with. >> moderator: mr. patrick hays. hays: it is incredible we aren't in favor of freezing, talking about the arkansas minimum-wage, there appears to be growing for the ballot, the vast majority of arkansas voters support raising the minimum wage to $6.25 an hour over a three year period we go to $8.50 and there is a young lady on this campus last week that said she had a 40 hour week job and still couldn't make ends meet trying to go to college. that is less than $1,000 a month before taxes in terms of what arkansas's minimum wage, one of the lowest in the country if not the second lowest. i support raising the minimum wage. i signed a petition to do that. i think is an incredible travesty for people to work full time and still be considered in

poverty. it is hard for me to understand where my two opponents are coming from. it helps the economy. it helps put people to -- give them the ability to be able to earn a middleweight and be able to take care of their families. and $6.25, maybe they can provide for their families the only with two three jobs at that rate. i strongly differed with my two candidates to my right in terms of minimum wage. arkansas deserves a raise. we need to go to the polls and support that and i'm strongly in favor of raising arkansas's minimum wage and by implication we raise arkansas's minimum wage to $8.50 then obviously that would raise the federal minimum wage. i don't know what the magic number is on the federal minimum wage. i would hope we could get together a bipartisan way, by implication raising the arkansas minimum-wage would raise the federal wage at least in terms of my support.

is there, is strong and i hope arkansas joins me in making that happen. >> moderator: french hill. hill: what is the best way to help young people develop skills and develop opportunities in a better career? what is a way to help our families do better? if a family is truly in poverty than minimum wage is not any answer. it discourages jobs and discourages advancement and work. the earned income tax credit is a much more effective idea to help poverty families grow in their ability to earn more income and have more opportunity. we need schools that don't fail our kids. we have public schools that fail our kids, they don't get the education which is why i support literacy efforts in public schools, we need to tackle the work force improvements and change our tax code in the state of arkansas nationally to encourage economic growth, bring more money back from overseas

and develop our manufacturing base and our economy here for more jobs and more opportunity. >> moderator: next question for debbie standiford. >> what did the american policy regarding isis? what sacrifices americans not in uniform be asked to make to pay for that policy? >> americans not in uniform? i think america's response to isis should be to, as thomas jefferson said, friendship with all countries and tangling alliances with men. we should be in the business of defending our citizens, not going around the world policing the rest of the world. i don't think the average american should make any sacrifices in order to deal with

basis. government intervention once again has created most of these problems. we have funded many of these dictators before we then had to go out and take out dictators in the middle east's the government's steps in tries to solve a problem, creates a worse problem and it has to go in again and again and again to solve that problem. the problem never gets better. spending more and more until our military budget is bankrupting us so what we should do is put our troops back -- all people dislike foreign troops on their soil. we are creating blow back with this policy. we need to pull our troops out of those countries, bring them home, keep a strong defense and that is all. >> moderator: mr. hays, two

minutes. >> the safety of the homeland, the security of our people is critical. we witnessed on 9/11 one of the greatest travesties that has ever taken place on the homeland. we can't always protect ourselves simply by trying to do things within our borders. we have to reach out like we are reaching out now. the goal of isis is to attack us, try to do damage and injury and terrorism. in the united states. i had a chance to serve in the military. i was proud of that service and from of the men and women who serve in our armed forces. right now we are using our technology and trying to do battle in their area rather even have the come over and create the kind of situation we experienced on 911.

the world is too connected for us to simply say our borders are ones we can stay behind. whether we put people in harm's way, we have done that before. we have to have par issue, we have to make sure those with a stake in the geographic area, are the ones that are partners with us and the we are aggressive in protecting our homeland in any way we know how and certainly with partnerships of those with a greater stake in combating terrorism. wikipedia >> moderator: mr. hill, two minutes. hill: let me echo of pride in our armed forces and their talent in trying to protect our national security interests, suggest that the isis problem and the terrorism problem has been made worse over the last couple of years due to again a lack of leadership from our president.

i think his in decision in syriac created a blooming spot for isis and allowed isis to explode in syria and move into iraq. the president's lack of leadership in negotiating a status of forces agreement with the government of baghdad leaving some strategic air and ground support of american forces and our coalition forces in iraq allow it to blossom. and make it a clear and present danger to our interests and to the country and therefore, i think we must think behind the curve, support, finding a strategy that rolls back isis putting together a coalition, thinking through a clear strategy that will achieve that, what will should the american military pay in that strategy, what support the american people and congress can have in that strategy and have an overwhelming chance of success and if we put that together

american leadership will be essentials in rolling isis back. again this problem blossomed due to lack of leadership of our president obama. i would also say our people are in harm's way. we have. on the ground. they are risking their lives for our country and our way of life. it is something that can be worse in the u.s.. we saw it in boston and fort hood, out here, terrorists getting into our country and doing harm. >> moderator: one minute rebuttal. standiford: this is akin to staring a hornet's nestle is the more we stick the stick in and started the more common in the middle east for decade after decade. entertaining and national security interests. it is a polite euphemism for

oil. we can't create safety. carrying the big stick and threatening people. terrorism is coming back to visit after what we have done for decades past. i am not an isolationist agenda example of isolationist would be north korea. an example of a non interventionist would be switzerland. we have peaceful countries around the world that don't have a problem with terrorism the we have. >> moderator: we've reached the deck of our evening where we are prepared for opening statements and by prior agreement by random selection patrick hays goes first. hays: thank you, steve and those of you who are watching.

i want to express my address she asian to my wife and daughter and her husband and three grandchildren who really inspired me in large measure to get into this race because there generation is not being taken care of. is not being looked at or thought about in congress. when you have the record and discord and diss functionality washington is displaying we don't care about problems in washington, we care about party and partisanship and that is absolutely wrong. for 24 years we balanced budgets in iraq, took care of solving problems, we didn't worry about whether crime was democratic republican but whether there was a problem and a problem that needed to be solved. that is exactly what i need to do and we need to do in washington. we don't need to worry about the next election. we need to worry about the next election and that is what i

intend to do, to take those 24 years that i added chance to deal with people of all parties and all income levels and to take that kind of experience of bringing people together to solve problems that will make the country a better place for all of us to live and particularly those three grandkids i have in their generation. tomorrow is going to be a better david has got to be better day. the problems we are facing a too complex and not worry about being together in how we solve those problems and that is what i intend to do in congress not today but tomorrow, the next day and every day i get up to work on working with other people and making sure good things happen for the united states of america and those people in the second congressional district. we want to work for jobs in the future of the country and those three grandchildren we are going to do it. god bless america and thank you for listening. >> moderator: 11, two minutes. standiford: from ebola to isis

government sells fear. always carries the implication that without government disaster is about to default us. you heard those of my candidates describe ways that they believe federal government should step in to fix the economy, fix immigration, not serious things. none of those have to do with defending our rights. share with a-running for congress and nervous to be here today and they told me because of the things they had seen they wanted me to be here. they wanted me to speak against overreached in government. they wanted me to be that police. i am honored and humbled to be here today to speak for them. i am also honored and humbled that i am here to speak for my

children because i want to see them have more freedom. not less. i want them to have the freedom to make mistakes. make bad choices if they want to and learn from them. i am here to speak for the unborn children who we are burdening with massive amounts of debt without their permission. we do not have the moral right to bear in people who did not have the ability to speak for themselves so i am speaking for a lot of silent places that are asking please stop thinking that government is the answer to the problem. government is force. it is meant to defend your rights and that is all. thank you. >> moderator: mr. hill, two minutes. hill: i am in this race because i care about our community, our state and want to serve the public. i spent 30 years bringing people

together as an adviser to president bush xli, as a civic leader, chamber's chairman, volunteered children's hospital, volunteer with the boy scouts and as a community banker. i helped people bring their dreams to life, their new business, their new doctor's practice, their new church. i helped them achieve their dreams. i believe strongly in our country, the freedoms of our country and i know i can be a change agent for the people of the second district who trust me and send me to represent them in washington. i know how we cut down the regulatory burden. i have been on the front lines of being under regulation and knowing how to cut it back in the executive branch and as a business person. having that tax policy that will encourage work, savings, thrift investment and get this economy growing again. i know i represent a clear contrast in the selection. somebody who has been there and done that, who helped build

business, create jobs, help our community and understand the burden of the washington blanket led by president obama over this economy. i am not a career politician. i am not a tax-and-spend liberal. i want to get up and do something to make our country better in the area of fewer mandates, more choices, less government, one size fits all solution, more opportunities for all of our people and i believe that is the kind of prisons the people in the second congressional district wants to represent them in washington. one of them who comes from the community, is a job creator and a business person and can take common-sense conservatism to washington. >> moderator: saying you. thanks to all of our candidates for appearing on our debate. our thanks to the panel of journalists for your contributions and a special thanks to the university of central arkansas and its

performance center. with that, thank you for joining us. this concludes our program and debate for the second congressional destroyed. there is more coming up. good night. ♪ >> major funding for election 2014 is provided by aarp, arkansas. >> c-span's campaign 2014 is bringing in 100 debate for the control of congress. stay in touch with our coverage and engage. follow us on twitter on c-span and like us at facebook.com/c-span. >> coming up tonight the third debate between the iowa senate

candidates, congressman bruce braley and joni ernst are running for the seat violated by tom harkin. that is their last debate. >> moderator: super pac support has mentioned prior to the debate, a couple commercials here and there for and begins each of you, specific questions on claims made against supporters and candidates for and against, ron steele from tw w l, cedar rapids will begin questioning for bruce braley. one minute on response. >> thank you, welcome, bruce braley, great for you to be here tonight. much has been said about the advertising so i was given the great assignment to give you a chance to review it some of these ads, super pac adds particularly, coming, millions of dollars in money from forces outside of iowa. we understand those of which you have no control but are driven

by fear and scare tactics so i will begin with this one and change my order because of the gun control you talked about. i heard and add today, bruce braley. the political victory fund incinerating you and michael bloomberg are buddies and you will take away my second amendment rights and i don't like it. what is the answer? braley: the answer is i never met michael bloomberg. i have no idea what these ads are based upon other than a fear that i am going to bring balance, common sense, to try to come up with reasonable solutions to reducing gun violence like i have, working with a republican from pennsylvania named tim murphy. we held lots of hearings this year and the connection between failure to address the needs of mental illness in this country and throughout those bipartisan hearings we learned the largest

mental health treatment facility in united states is los angeles county jail. we know that we have to do more and when joni ernst was asked what we can do, she was asked about her at that she ran in the primary where she was shooting a pistol into the cameras saying let me take aim at obamacare, right before the tragic shooting in said the barbara. was asked if she regretted it, she called it an unfortunate accident. i don't think it was an accident to the victims and their families. debbie standiford 18 that is a horrib tragedy and i stated that, working toward a better system and easier access to the most vulnerable in our population to receive care. they can walk into many places now lends discover where they can go for treatment, whether

you are in a rural area, living in a populated area we want to make sure gary is easy access for those that suffer from mental illness and receive the care is a need. ..

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district in congress. incumbent ami bera and challenge her doug ose. those two men will debate here at the kvie television studios. the one our live broadcast begins now. ♪ ♪ sponsored by capital public radio, the center for california studies at sacramento state, folsom lake college, kvie public television, the los rios community college district and the "sacramento bee." ♪ ♪ >> in less than one month voters will decide who will represent how the 47th district in the u.s. house of representatives. the seventh district is situated in eastern sacramento county and includes the city of elk grove,

rancho cordova andy coulson. this close race has attracted lots of national attention and this is the only scheduled debate between incumbent democrat ami bera and republican john to doug ose. representative bera was elected to the post in 2012. doug ose represent california's third district from 1999-2005. the past -- about the capital goes to our studios to me. thank you so much for joining us. i'm jason shoultz, your moderator for this evening and we have a panel of three journalists will be questioning the candidates. let's meet them now. also with us tonight, steady audience and they have been asked to say that applause until the conclusion of the debate. it's my job to make sure the rules were followed, questions are answered and to keep an eye on the clock. with that in mind let's get

started. we will begin with opening statements and we decided with a going toxin start with representative bera. your one minute. bera: i want to thank the moderators, the audience and those watching at home. by story always starts with the story of my parents who immigrated here from india in 1950s. they settled in california and this is where i've lived my whole life. my wife and i've been married 23 years living right here in elk grove for the last link in. our daughter just start her senior year in high school. and iran to congress iran three simple promises. i promised to introduce and help has no budgets no pay. a lot of sense if members of cars don't do their job and pass a budget they shouldn't get paid. i kept that promise. i promise not to eat any pay raises and work across the aisle to get sacramento county working again. i've kept that promise and i promised not to take attention and make sure we protect social security from being privatized. i've kept that promise. it's been my honor to be a

doctor in our community for the last 19 years and to be your member of congress these past two years. >> moderator: not time for mr. ose opening statement. ose: when my wife and i sit and talk about the future for our children and our country, we focus in on an optimistic view for america. one that focuses on three or four things. and individual can make a difference. hard work pays off. we are all in this together, and we need to get to work. sadly today my confidence in our country is shaken because washington is broken. the economy is not creating jobs and its very uncertain whether it ever will. obamacare is not working and it's costing us jobs. our waters are being sent south. my hope is that we'll fix those things. congressman bera has put politics before people and advocating for things that are adverse to this district. to paraphrase candidate from

2012, trusting ami bera to solve these problems is like trusting a burglar to stay in the house while you're out of town and expecting things are there when you get back. >> moderator: thank you. your time is up. thank you. appreciate the opening statement. there are no rebuttals for opening statements. it is time to move on to questions from the panel but the candidates were not shown these questions in advance and had no say in deciding the topics for tonight's debate. each will have 90 seconds to answer the question. they will als all for 30 secondr rebuttals. we only have an hour some going to be strictly enforcing those time limits. our first question by going talks goes to doug ose and will be asked by marianne. >> let's start with health care. you have said you support the repeal of it but we keep certain aspects such as covering, coverage despite preexisting conditions. i'm wondering what your plan is for the millions of californians who now have health insurance

under the state's health care exchange with expansion of medi-cal. but which are going to for them? ose: obamacare failing to address her health needs but it's costing us jobs through all sorts of sectors dealing with small business and the like. the president promised that we would be able to give our doctor, and that promise has been proven to be untrue. president promised the price of health care would go down. that has turned out to be not be true. and while there a couple of things within the 3000 pages of the affordable care act that are, have merit, investment duty of the bill is not consistent with the needs of this country. what we need to do is make sure people can have coverage for pre-existing conditions, we allow them to shop across state lines to get the best deal, we allow them to pick their own doctor. the problem is that obamacare is killing jobs. if you don't have a job, you can't afford to pay for the

health insurance that you so desperately needed. i'm in favor of repealing it and replacing it with something that works, that doesn't kill jobs. the other thing that concerns me about obamacare is that the legislation strips $716 billion from medicare which is a safety net that our seniors have come to rely upon. that's bad policy. it is simply bad policy. if i were a senior and my representative were proposing that in defending that, i'd be seriously concerned about whether they really were worried about my interest. >> moderator: congressman bera, the affordable care act. bera: let's address that claim first. three years ago congressman made that same claim and the "sacramento bee" called it a lie. your ad has made that same claim. it's been called a lie. congressman, how many times as some had to call something a lie and they stop telling?

now, i look at the affordable care act from the perspective of a doctor and as a doctor i taken care far too many patients who may have lost their job and they show up on volunteer at her frequent for the last 19 years and they may show up, maybe they found -- you can sit here under face and you want to work this out. i'm frustrated as a doctor when you can't. the affordable care act is not the solution i would have come up with as a doctor in a health care expert, it is now the law so let's take this law, fix it and make it better. let's address the cost of care. that's what i've worked across the out to come up with no-nonsense solutions working with republicans like a small business and family relief that lowers the cost, six oh dollars a year on average right back into the pockets. contrasts the that with what he wants to do pretty want to take us back to the time of health insurance company were in charge when women could be charged more than men, or if you had a

pre-existing it was you could be denied coverage. that's not progress. that's because backwards. let's fix this, make it better and let's move forward. >> moderator: mr. posey, your opportunity to respond to have sex congressman bera has described to the washington, d.c. talking points that nancy pelosi is given. let me share them with you. the affordable care act strips $716 billion in medicare funding going forward. that's not my number but that's the congressional budget office number. in addition the consequences of the affordable care act is that people get moved on to medicaid and doctors refusing to take medicaid now because the reimbursements are too little. you are costing people coverage. >> moderator: your chance to reply. bera: again that is blatantly false. we lived up to the people. again if you want to read keep achieving that why you can go do. this is about doctors being able to take care of patients but

this is about making sure people getting health care they need to i don't want to go backwards when women can get charged more than men, if a person comes down with cancer they can be denied coverage. i want to move forward. >> moderator: next question comes from dan smith for congressman bera. >> congressman bera, two years ago you pledged to create jobs by slowing overseas job loss and by helping small business. california's unemployment rate is still 7.4%, fourth largest in the nation. what have you done in the last two years to create jobs in this region and were -- what we do if we send you back to washington? bera: that's a great question. too many families are still struggling to the middle-class was hit hard by this recession and people can talk about an economic recovery, but for all of those families there still is month to month paycheck to paycheck and the economy has recovered. that's why when i ran we ran on this promise. i wasn't going to take any pay raises until we got sacramento

county working again. i've kept that promise. i got full funding for full some damn. that's the biggest federal project in the country right now it's but hundreds of construction workers were. it's going to help us with a cut and also help protect our committee. i've also, my office has done dozens of small business workshops. small businesses really are the backbone of creating jobs. we have joined the small business owners how they can actually access to capital through the small business administration, how they can use census data to better plan their expansions of business. we have worked with major employers like seaman, intel, vfp. those are major manufacturers and, in fact, we were close with siemens to get local motorboat of contracts and they got the biggest contract. that will create hundreds of jobs. we have a long way to go because we are hit hard by this recession. congressman ose voted for tax

breaks or compass that ship jobs overseas. that's not going to help us recover. we've got you greater those jobs right here and reward companies that fill jobs in america. >> moderator: mr. ose, what needs to happen to good jobs? ose: the question was about his pledge to great jobs. last week congressman bera spend federal dollars to advertise a small business workshop. the purpose of which was to meet with small business owners and educate them about tools the federal government has and things they can do. take advantage of. the problem was it such an important thing for him, this pledge means so much he didn't show up for the workshop. i don't know how else, 90% of his job is showing up and you didn't show up for your own workshop. you spend federal resources to bring small business owners in and you didn't show up to take their testimony or input and i don't understand it. small business is the backbone of this economy.

i'm a small business owner. i've been a small business owner since the day i got out of college. i know what it takes to great a job. i know what it means to sign the front of the paycheck. it's not easy. small business is not getting the assistant it's needs from congressman bera in today's environment and that needs to change. you mention vst. i know folks over at dsb. just as an aside, the programs that you been advocating for like a formal care act, human be aware of this at dsb just got the build two weeks ago for $25 million just a tax because they provide of insurance to their employees. bera: we agree, we've got to create jobs to get people working in the sacramento county with kris over 30,000 jobs with the jobless rate and unemployed is still too high, right around 7%. too many families are

struggling. it's important to my office and it is core to our job to go out there and work with those small business owners so we do workshops. we invited them. my staff stretch is to be there of a half of the people who live there. i'm proud of that. that is part of our job. >> moderator: mr. ose from one last rebuttal and six congressman bera spend yours and my taxers organize an advertising small business workshop 10, 12, 15 small business owners showed up and he didn't. >> moderator: this is called representative government for a reason. the few call small business owners and you want to give them the courtesy of going and listening to their testimony. >> moderator: thank you. the next question goes to mr. ose. >> mr. ose kanye $2 in college so you must know that this is the challenge for many families to pay for college tuition. what steps do you think congress should take two of those who can't afford college?

ose: this is a great question that i appreciate you mentioning. i know my younger daughter is your age. first thing we need to do is need to get this economy rolling so the kids in high school and college today can finish their education with the certainty that when they get done take it to come out and find a job in their chosen profession. right that this economy remains uncertain and jobs are at risk. this is a function of the policies that president obama, nancy pelosi and congressman bera have passed and continued to pass that are adverse to our interest. there are four or five things i want to mention. we get the economy rolling. that gives us the chance to great the jobs for these young people. we figure out what it is that we need in this economy. we need engineers, doing to basket weavers? what do we? then we find way to incentivize those disciplines that allow us to advance our economic needs. we need to find a way where --

congressman bera does anything to do with this. the ec system bracelet change its admissions process to increase the number of overseas and out of state solicitations they make for student enrollment. i went wait a minute. we paid for the use the system to those lots ought to be for our kids, not for somebody out of state. i'm so much comes a. i could talk about this quite a ways but the point is what got to get economy rolling so the kids in school can be able to come out, get good jobs of the can afford to pay the debt that the otherwise incurred. >> moderator: how can college affordability be addressed? ose: that's a great question. bera: that's a great question. i do years worth of community college work along the way. i went to undergrad and med school. i paid $393 a quarter to go to med school. can you believe that? our daughter is a senior in high school and we sit down and it doesn't cost that today. kids are graduating with hundreds of thousands of dollars

in debt. we've got to make college affordable again and that was the promise i grew up with in california. this promise of higher education, but if you have the desire and the abilities you a guaranteed the ability to go to college. the you see system is one of our greatest assets in the state. it's one of our best friends. so yes, we got to fight and comes to make sure we keep interest rates on student loans but the biggest question is how dido they go from $393 a quarter that i was been going to a public university to a kids today are going to go to medical school, $40,000 a year and may be higher than that now. will get it is we have to get to the root cause and start bring the cost of education down. that's an investment that is me. made. i am only here because of the education i received and i know none that was handed. i worked hard to get or am but that opportunity existed.

this nation made those investments that we've got to start investing again in a generation. there's no greater investment that we can make and in our young people and for thank you, congressman. ose: i want to go back to this but i think were in broad agreement about the fight of the uc system and things like that. both are graduates of uc system. a member of congress have the opportunity to use their influence to reverse this disproportionate assignment of the student slots to out of state or foreign students. they also have the ability as a member of congress to exercise the ability to control costs. we need to do that. it's an appropriate role for a member of congress transfer congressman bera, what do you think? bera: i agree. these are public universities. i was an associate dean of admissions. we're paying for the public universities here and our students in california should be given priority to go to those

schools. i can't tell the region's what to do but absolutely i did use the bully pulpit. in fact, we started the use the caucus for the public and, when my colleagues because, and this is the california public higher education caucus so at 1430 colleges because we got to advocate transform advocating for education. thank you both. marianne russ, your next question is for congressman bera spend as you on the california is in the midst of a three-year drought. farmers are leaving feels unplanned come wells in about are running dry, ogle said online the on ground water. yet there is still no agreement in washington on legislation to assist california. you mentioned the fulsome dam project but what else it until the region and the state cope with the drought? bera: we're in the worst drought of our life and this is unprecedented it's affecting every family. it's affecting our become. it's affecting food prices. we been working from day one to try to address it is a drought.

we are working with folks with the various water agencies. we been able to keep them down. folsom dam as you mentioned, we cut the funding for folsom dam. when completed that will allow us to hold onto more water during dry years and then we also have a flood trip here so in years and really what it will keep working there to marseille. we've got to do more. congressman ose and i agree on a lot. we've got increased storage capacity. we've done dozens of workshops working with the residents in the committee in the water district. to let people know they can do as well. sacramento county residents should be proud of themselves. we have reduced our water consumption by about 20%. we've got a ways to go. long-term though we have to make sure the fight against proposals like the titles the governor wants to build. i've been working with my colleagues and we've taken a lead against that because it doesn't create additional water.

we also have to smart plants. the climate has changed. we've lost our snowcapped. my opponent thinks the climate science is sketchy. he doesn't believe the climate exchange. i think it has led to come up with new ways to catch water, story and move the water. ose: the question is about drought. i wish the member of congress had to build to make it rain but they don't. and member of congress does have the ability to get the bureau to reduce the outflows from folsom dam at a time when we are at historic lows in terms of rainfall. when i was in congress before i worked on that. for the past 15 months i've been talking about reducing the outflows on folsom dam because of the very real possibility if we're going to need that water, and here we are. we need the water. congressman bera has declined to make any effort to reduce the outflows from folsom dam. he has today, or recently at

least, come out in opposition to the tunnels which is an opposite of what he was in 2010 when he was in favor of the tunnels. my problem here is we need solutions. we've got to protect our water resources and stop spending it, excuse me, stopped sending itself. understand, please, additional releases from folsom dam constitute taking our water and sending it south to los angeles. congressman bera has not spoken up on this. he has not picked up the phone and talk to the bureau about reducing outflows. that's why we're sending out thousands of feet for our more than are flowing into fulsome. that has to stop. >> moderator: congressman from reducing outflows, your chance to respond. bera: let's tell the truth there back in january we went straight at fish and game. we kept the phishing season short and the reduced folsom dam

outflows to the lowest level as possible. we've kept thse levels at very low levels and we talk on a constant basis with the bureau, with the various water agencies and work with them to guide. there is more water and folsom late today than it was back in january but there's not enough. year in a severe drought. that's why i fought against the republican plan that i chose to take water into the south. do you support that plan? try for your chance to respond. ose: i remember when the bureau of reclamation spokesperson was fraud out in front of them and said members of congress, it usually contact us to talk about water releases. that was in direct response to direct comments i have made, and after i made them you said nothing. we need to say this water, and a member of congress has the ability to do that and congressman bera has not stepped up and done his job. >> moderator: thank you, gentlemen to if anyone does not to make it rain, please let us

know. let's mov move on to our next question. dan smith for mr. a was. >> mr. ose, california business groups have called for the house republican to support an immigration bill that not only secures the border but provides a path to legal status for undocumented immigrants. if elected will you encourage the house republican leadership to support this approach? please tell us why or why not. ose: senior member of the house, speaker, supports reform of our immigration and she's been very clear about that. congressman bera knows that. i know that. it's in there. i think the first step that we need to take on immigration is to secure our borders and our ports of entry to prevent additional individuals coming in here that we don't know who they are our where they come from. the problem is that the folks who are in leadership on the democratic side today was in attendance the last time our country try to take on reform immigration in the mid '80s.

they were part and parcel after the passage of the 86 reform in not implementing the republican side of the deal. so the problem we have here is that there is no faith that mrs. pelosi or steny hoyer or any of the others are going to actually do anything, that they will sit at the table and actually do both sides of the do. that's what republicans are worried about is this comprehensive immigration that congressman bera is about to talk about, it's an defined. it doesn't allow us to control who comes in. i do want to add one thing. i know congressman bera's parents emigrated from india. that's a good thing. they came here legally. i'm for legal immigration consistent with our laws but i'm delighted his parents are here, even given the circumstances, but the fact of the matter is we have a legal system. we need to enforce our laws. we need to start by securing the border. secure the border. >> moderator: congressman

bera. bera: on glad my parents are here as well and that they were able to emigrate. look, we are a nation of immigrants and we've been billed as a nation of immigrants. we've got to solve this comprehensive immigration bill. and problem. we agree, let's secure our ports. i am a cosponsor the of the competence of immigration bill that passed in a bipartisan way out of the senate. it is a no nonsense bill that does have plenty of funding in there to secure our borders but it also starts to address the large immigration issues. we should want the best and brightest to come into we should also want him to stay here and build their companies and create jobs here. if you look at the bill, this is a bill that the cbo says will add over $100 billion to our economy. it's a good bill. it's supported largely by the business community, by the farming community. it pass and a bipartisan way and it is a good bill.

congressman ose you didn't answer the question as to whether you support and cosponsor that competence of immigration bill. i think it's a smart approach and i think it's the right thing to do. >> moderator: mr. ose, have an opportunity to respond. ose: i just need a definition of what comprehensive means. in congressman bera's view that means all the folks who are here illegally are given amnesty and citizenship. that's what he's after. i'm not prepared today to go that far. i want to have this border sector and want to have a calm, dispassionate discussion about how we improve our immigration system. that's how our system works best. that's how we need to move forward. >> moderator: we will close out the discussion on immigration with 30 seconds for you. bera: let's address the broken immigration system. let's secure our borders. let's make sure we get the best and brightest to come here to america, but we let them stay here, build their jobs. let's address the issue of folks working on farms and so forth.

let's pass the conferenc conferf immigration bill for of immigration bill for december but this is, by the farming community, by pretty much everyone. >> moderator: thank you, gentlemen. it's now time to move on. we will give our panelists a break and let each candidate ask each other a question. this is agreed to by both candidates, and by going to ask doug ose does get to go first. representative bera has 90 seconds to respond with a 30-second response available for mr. ose. go ahead. ose: congressman bera, 10 times you voted to protect legislation that strips $716 billion of future funding for medicare recipients. ytd that? that's just bad policy. bera: déjà vu all over again in the same debate. we will leave it up to the bee in the media to decide whether the claim is a lie or not. when it comes to medicare though i look at this as a doctorate my peers are on medicare. we have to get over the weekend not only to