how can i get lockheed martin to move me jobs here, how can i get northrop grumman to move more job here? who's going to travel to make sure i get more jobs? number two, it's like my mom. she said, rick, get a good education. education funding was cut when charlie was governor. when he left, both per-student and overall k-12 education was less than it was when he started. so, and third, they want to live in a safe environment. so what i work at every day, jobs. better education system. make sure you can live in a safe neighborhood. >> moderator: governor crist, do you want to address the nastiness of this campaign and the negative ads? people are just turned off by them. crist: yeah. well, of course they are, so am i. i've had about $50 million dollars of negative ads thrown on me, do you think i'm not tired of it? [laughter] ..

it's important to be focused on the sunshine state doing what's right for our people and make sure that a fighting chance and a fair shot than somebody who will fight for you. scott: this is all talk versus action. charlie have a job. he didn't want to do the job. he didn't want to call on the companies. what's interesting is why wouldn't he want first to move the corporate office? why would you want northrop grumman to add jobs, average

income wanted to thousand dollars. we have to under 61,000 jobs opening in the state, average income in the top 25, $27 an hour. that's not what charlie wants? >> moderator: the next question will be to governor crist. >> governor crist, we are on a college campus right now where we have college student to hear to worry about tuition and debt. it. use under the online universities to raise tuition 50% a year. governor scott has prohibited further increases and has pushed state colleges to offer four-year degrees for $10,000. what these safety kids now burdened with so much college loan debt? crist: let's look at all facts, ellicott. what governor scott did in addition to what you said, the first year he allow tuition to go up 15% so the premise of the question isn't correct. number two, i think it's

important to point out to college students that if you had the hope of going to college on a bright future scholarship, 50,000 of you are not able to do so today because of rick scott. i don't know why they reduced them that much. i only know that those what the facts are and facts are stubborn things. if you want to have the opportunity to go to college and to do so in a way you can afford it, i would seek your vote because i will restore those cuts to bright futures scholarships because you need them and you deserve them. there's a young lady here tonight named marcella. i went to her house in miami just over a week ago and sat down with her and she was upset because she couldn't get a bright futures scholarship and she had a 4.7 grade point average. that's unbelievable to me that is because of the cuts that rick scott has brought education. [applause] >> moderator: thank you, governor. governor scott? scott: so charlie is not concerned about the facts. he will say anything but if you

want to get the facts go to facts for florida not come. facts for fordo.com. you can follow the truth. first off bright future to the legislature both under charlie in the race eligible the. but because of charlie 15% plus inflation tuition increases every year when you think you get a free ride to bright futures you don't anymore because of charlie's increase. charlie, you think about predicting about a brand-new parent. i'm going to save my money, which are much can go to university. was $102 when charlie started. when he left it was $253. we today have the highest stomach for -- spending for colleges and university niche of this day. we stopped charge tuition increase so now 18,000 families this month got back $200 million, $200 million back in their pockets.

[applause] >> moderator: governor crist, your rebuttal cut by just. you know, rick talks about having the truth. that's an interesting thing to assert from a guy who just ran a company who had to pay the largest fine for fraud in in the history of the united states of america. [applause] the truth hurts sometimes. and rick, this is also a fact. you pled the fifth 75 times so you wouldn't have to answer the questions involved in it. [applause] that is not the kind of leadership the florida deserts. >> moderator: audience, please hold your applause we get as many questions in is possible. the next one to governor scott. >> governor scott, environmental us aren't happy that you cut the budget for water management board, eliminated the department that regulated agnew housing departments, and in a record high budget year he gave only $70 million to the public

landmine program, florida forever. aid budget says a lot about a leaders priority. where does the environment rank in yours? scott: is a we've accomplished so far. when i took office it was a big surprise to me that charlie sat on his hands while we had a decades old logjam over the decades -- everglades. i went down to the department of justice, epa, corbin just to try to fill the loss of your archive environmental on border i got the bag on board and with a record settlement. i went back to the legislature and they invested $880 million to restore the everglades. something that charlie didn't lift a finger to do. on top of that we put $100 million to protect our core reads, something charlie didn't and i'm into. we have record funding forced springs, something charlie wasn't willing to do. what charlie was willing to do on the everglades is go by land that we couldn't use to store the everglades, stop projects that would've helped us.

on top of that even on florida forever as we turned a budget around we started investing. want to charlie duke? spent less money every year. >> moderator: thank you, thank , governor scott. the governor crist. [applause] crist: florida is a special place, and you need to somebody who really cares about the state to protect our in farm and the everglades. margery douglas wrote a book called the river of grass but in the book she put forward at the thought that if you want to protect the everglades you have to buy it. we started doing that during my first term as your governor. we got a lot of it done. we were able to get about 26,000 acres that we can now make pristine and hold and preserve and restore the natural floor of water self. what happened after rick scott got in? what happened is he started the discharges that were coming out of lake okeechobee and polluting the river near fort myers and cape coral as the st. lucie river on the east coast of florida. when he went to the east coast to look at on the treasure coast

and what was happening in the indian river lagoon he wouldn't even get out of talk to the people. they were so upset to 500 of them showed a. he wouldn't choke to talk to them or answer their questions. it's a pattern. [applause] >> moderator go to fax for fordo.com and you'll get the truth. charlie stopped at the state -- statement to would $70 million of your tax money was spent on reservoir anyone. charlie stubby. if we finish that river for none of the water would've been able would have to be discharged out of lake okeechobee. so if charlie would've done the right thing, maybe, sometime trying to restore the everglades but he did nothing on the environment. [applause] >> moderator: florida has

refused to accept $51 billion over 10 years to expand medicaid, hospitals want it, doctors want it. a lot of other people are asking for it, some states have found a way to accept it. florida has not. governor scott said he was against it and then he was for it but he didn't push for it with legislature. should we accept that medicaid money and did so under what arrangement? would we take it or have a unique way of doing it the way some other states have done? crist: this is an important issue. medicaid expansion means an awful lot to about 1 million of our fellow floridians who are truly not getting the health care they deserve. and more importantly that they need. they're not getting it because sadly rick scott will put the figure to get done at i don't know why. what i do know is that they deserved to have those fund. we deserve to the governor who will enact making sure that we get that medicaid expansion money. it's money you've already sent to washington and you simply deserve to get back. people are hurting and their something. in addition to the $51 billion

it would bring to the state over the next 10 years, some studies indicate would create about 120,000 jobs. that's the right thing to do. talk about, you know, all talk and no action. he said he supported it. we don't have it. no action. >> moderator: governor scott? scott: let's go back to the facts here. charlie was governor. he was sitting in the governor's office. it was a legislative session going on. when obamacare past. did he go to the legislature and say let's pass this because it's such a great idea? no. he called a special session that day. giddy at that point, did he say this is what -- i want to get medicare, medicaid expansion done? no. obamacare is a bad law. people are losing their doctors, losing the plans. [applause] what i said is, as long as the federal government wants to be

100%, i would not stand in the way but i'm not willing to do what charlie did and bankrupt our state. >> moderator: governor crist, rebuttal? crist: welcome he's been governor for years but i think you would understand you don't bankrupt the state to get a balanced the budget. it's in the constitution. we did it every year of my four years as governor. [applause] >> moderator: thank you, governor scott. thank you, governor crist. this concludes the first half of our debate. and remember, our debate is interactive. our social media panel continues to track your reactions and comments. the candidates will answer your question when we come back after a two-minute break. ♪ ♪

>> moderator: welcome back to our debate at bailey hall in broward college. want to ask the audience here at bailey hall to please hold their applause so we get as many questions in is possible. right now i want to toss it over to my colleague at cbs for, anchor erica sergeant was with our social media panel. >> thank you. hundreds of you are interacting with us on facebook and twitter using the hashtag flgovdebate. the three top trending topics our economy and jobs, the cost of higher education and the third drinking topic is climate change. and its impact on florida. we want to turn back toward social media panel of going to turn over to patricia with "the miami herald." what is the question you now have for governor crist?

>> governor crist, it seems like a lot of viewers want to know how it is you think of how you can solve problems. both you and governor scott. my question is when science is at odds with religion when you're faced with the question where science is not consistent with your faith, how do you deal with that problem? if someone asks you, as the earth 4.5 billion years old or 6000 years old, what do you say? crist: my religion is very important to me. i have a very deep faith in god, and every morning i read the bible. it's important to keep center, to keep focus on the. so i take it very safely and also tried to utilize science and learn as much as i can. on the issue of climate change, it's pretty clear to me that man is computing to this problem. we are in south florida tonight and it seems to me that in south florida as well as the rest of the state, we are ground zero

for this issue. my opponent doesn't believe in it or says he's not a cyclist or whatever. but i believe it's happening. i think we have an obligation to try to stop it. that's why i held a climate change summit in the past and signed executive orders to reduce emissions to address of the year on miami beach tonight and to go, you'll find that many days it is actually flooding when it's not raining. that tells you all you need to know. we need to address it. [applause] >> moderator: governor scott. scott: well, i grew up in a methodist church. my mom made sure i went to church a lot. my mom and my grandmother were devout christians. jesus christ as my savior at a very young age. i read the bible. i like to listen to sermons, and my faith is very important to me. i know it's very important to my family, my wife.

now, when i think about problems i think about solutions. let's take global warming. what we done since i got elected is focus on the solution to we spent $350 million to deal with sea level rise. we spend $100 million to do with protecting our coral reefs. we've increased funding by 45% for beach nourishment. on top of all the other things, ma springs, trying to move water south. $880 million into the everglades. but my faith is very important to me. i believe in it but i'm also going to try to solve any problems i see need to be solved. [applause] >> moderator: governor crist, rebuttal? crist: i don't have a rebuttal to the. we all have the right to feel that we feel about our creator, and i respect that different people may have a different point of view. for me, i happened to be a methodist the babies don't think we agree on tonight, rick. [laughter] but faith is very important. science is important. my father happens to be a

medical doctor, and so is when my three doctors and medical doctor. i think the combination of science is important in the core beliefs of your religion are more significant than anything. >> moderator: thank you, governor. rosemary? >> governor scott, you say you're against discrimination but the courts of sai have said florida's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional because it is discriminatory. do you think the ban is discriminatory? scott: let's think about where we are. none of us believe in discrimination but i clearly don't believe in any discrimination. in 2008, part of our democratic process, led by charlie, there was a constitutional amendment passed the said marriage would be between a man and a woman. while i believe in traditional marriage, we've got to understand people have different views. it's going to the cour court sy. minus 10 it's going directly to the supreme court. whatever the supreme court

decides, they will decide what the law in florida is. i will abide by that law. but what's important to me is we need to understand people of different views. we should not feel will because people have different views. we have to remember all this was started with charlie as governor. >> governor scott, i'm not sure i got an answer to the question. i'm not sure that an answer to the question but do you believe the ban is discriminatory? scott: i don't believe in discrimination in what looked -- i can say i don't believe in discrimination. i believe in traditional marriage. the courts are going to side. this is a decision for the course and they will make the decision. >> moderator: governor crist? crist: i don't believe in discrimination either, and i don't believe in it so much that i believe that gay couples should have the right to marry. [applause]

i think the best way to capture this, rosemary goudreau to get an answer, it's difficult but i think the best way to capture this is to understand that who is it for us to tell other people who to love? and what is it in our right to tell other people who to marry? i think we've come to a place in american society and certain i think florida is leading the way with the decisions have been made. this is the right thing to do. scott: charlie houston told you his belief today, a charter member of a given entity about this before he said he took his prior positions for political expediency, meaning as a way to win office. we don't actually know what charter believes in this issue because he's taken every side of this issue. [applause] >> moderator: okay, thank you. our next question is from frank denton. >> governor crist, education

research shows that of all the factors that affect a child's academic success, two-thirds of them are outside the school, mostly in the family and in the community. especially in poor communities, success in school can be undercut by poor parenting or some other part of a unhealthy home life. should the state have a role in this crucial part of educating our children? and if so what should it be? crist: the state defamation. the state always has. i mean, when i went to high school i played high school football. it was an afterschool program, if you will. we had banned, we have music, art, sports. one of the things that really saddened me when governor scott cut education funding by $1.3 billion his first year is that some and our schools had to be shut down. you know, after school programs across the state had to be mothballed. in my home county of pinellas,

ap classes had to grow their class-size by almost 30%. that is not the right thing to do to help a community, go to school or to help a child. so i think we have to do as i said at the outset, reinvest in education because of the dramatic cuts that rick scott has brought about. those are the facts. they are stubborn things but we need to move forward. >> moderator: governor crist that is investing in schools. the question was about does the state have a responsibility to family life, teaching people how to be better parents for preparing kids to go to school so they can perform? crist: the best way is to lead by example. any of us do that in our communities. whether you're working with the boy scouts are working with whatever your position might be, i think it's important that all of us played a role in that, whether it's the state or the private-sector. >> moderator: governor scott. scott: first of all i believe in parental rights. i was blessed on imam who is willing to go through a painful divorce while she was pregnant

with me because she was married to an abusive man. but i believe that unless we see problems, we need to give parents the opportunity to raise their children that everybody has different goals for their children. they don't have to did soccer what we think, but we had goals for our daughters and our daughters have goals and their husbands have goals for our grandchildren to i think we need to leave as much parenting as we can to parents. and at school our job is to educate them so they're going to be solid citizens and they can have great careers. but i believe in parental rights. [applause] >> moderator: we will move onto the next question. governor scott the next question is to you. watch everything that evolve around the shooting death of trayvon martin at the trial of george zimmerman, do you think justice was served in that case? scott: well, i'll tell you, here's what i did, i first sat

down with trayvon spirits, sabrina and tracy. i wanted to make sure that the code will law enforcement wanted a proper investigation. then i sit down with them to was brought down the special prosecutor to try to make sure they were comfortable that justice would be served. it went through the system. i respect the system we have in our state. i want to really thank trayvon martin's parents, because some issues that they've had in missouri we didn't have a. a lot of it was because of his parents. i mean, my heart goes out to them. i can imagine losing a child, a grandchild. but i want to thank trayvon spirits, sybrina countries because they did a great job vacation we did have problems that we had in missouri and for governor crist, was justice served? crist: it's hard to see. neither of us were on the jury

so we don't know the facts as well as the jury in that case know the facts. i used to be the attorney general and i spent judging from afar is not a very good idea. what i do know though is his stand your ground law needs to be fixed. it's a problem. [applause] i know that we have the right to defend ourselves. i think everybody believes in the american premise and it's the right thing to do to be able to defend yourself and your property. but when he gets to the point edge of a statute on the books that allows the initiator of an instigation to end up killing another human being after they started the incident, there is something fundamentally flawed with that law. i believe that we can protect the right to defend yourself and make sure that we don't have laws on the books that end up with the tragic death of trayvon martin. >> let me follow. governor, would you change the stand your ground law? >> i would not change the law. i think death is a tragic death public the right to defend

yourself. i mean, i can imagine losing a child like that, but i've talked to sheriffs and police chiefs. they've endorsed me, and i stand with them that we need to have existing law in place. [applause] >> governor crist, florida is the sunshine state yet we are not in the top 10 for solar power development. georgia installed more solar power last year than florida has installed in the past three years. why isn't florida aspiring to be a leader in solar energy? crist: floor should be. we should be the global leader in solar energy development. my goodness we are the sunshine state. it does make any sense not to do so. you have to ask why aren't we doing that? we started doing that during my it administration between 2007-2011. unfortunately, with rick scott's administration they are the friends of the utility industry.

they are funding his very campaign. i have laws on the books that make it incredibly difficult for companies who want to develop solar energy in florida in the sunshine state to be able to do so. how do you fix it? you elect a different government who believes in energy, belief in wind, elysium renewables and the cleaner energy sources. is not beholden to the utility copies the keep jacking up your bills like duke. it's just wrong. indeed, have a governor who is on your side was a bright idea, no pun intended, about solar energy in the sunshine state because of simply the right thing to do. >> governor scott? scott: first of all, charlie, worried about the fact that what he was going to tell the cost went up 30%. they went from below the national average to above the national average. since i got elected the utility rates have come down to the%, now we are below the national average. with regard to solar, we need to have an attitude that we want

everything, but it's got to be reliable and it's got to be cost effective. if charlie had his way we would go the path of california. what's the path in california? it's a 40% increase in electricity. if the average person saves about $208 in electricity a month, that would be and $80 increase. charlie can talk all these things he would like to do but it's going to come out of your pocket. a 40% increase because he wants to do, every member when he was there, a 30% increase in utility costs. [applause] >> moderator: let's get back to the truth. crist: the increase in your utility bills has happened under the last four years. you i don't watching tonight know if your bills are going up under rick scott. i know mine is and i'm sure yours probably as. you also know your property and should bills are going up under rick scott. you may not know this. he actually signed into a

recently a long that says that the office of insurance regulation cannot regulate insurance. does that make sense to anybody? it does to the insurance companies. scott: cannot respond to that? it's not true. crist: oh, it's true. scott: here's the fact. charlie's obamacare law has the federal government hhs decided all the rates for those plans. why would the state do the exact same thing? they wouldn't do the same thing. they have no power to do the same thing. hhs is signing all those rates. and charlie signed legislation that allowed companies like duke to pass on costs for power plants that were never built. crist: that's not true. that was jeb bush. [laughter] [applause] >> you can go to factsforflorida.com and they will explain and they were sure the bill's charlie signed. >> moderator: the next

question. >> florida is seeing a revote over testing or school to the federal government has played something of a robe florida lawmakers have added even more tests and tie them to teacher pay. are all these test needed to prepare our kids for the future? trek but i think we all believe in his will to make sure children get a great education scott: we know measurement works. it does work but people, people concerned about how much test do we have. the latest concern is how much the federal government is involved. there's a lot of areas including education. a little over a year ago i said to the target will not use the federal assessment standards for. we worked on legislation, got a pass us and the federal government will not data mining r students. on top of that we said the curriculum decisions will be made at the local level. then we moved to florida

standards, and this next year what i'm going to do is go around and look at all the standards we have because some of the standards are at the state and so the standard of the district, just to make sure everybody knows what the standards are composed in and do have the right standards. >> moderator: governor crist. crist: there's way too much testing and are schools today. there is. [applause] and the reason that is is that rick scott signed a bill his first year in office that i had vetoed. i vetoed that bill because it put too much of an emphasis on teaching to the test. these learning centers have now become testing centers are schools. that's not right and it's not fair to our children. we need to have somebody like me as governor who served as education commissioner and understands these issues. under rick scott we have had for education commissioners in four years. we got to get her education system back on track but we need someone who understands it, and went to our public schools. i will do that. i'll make sure it's fun to

probably. we've got to get it right. [applause] scott: let's look at the results. our fourth graders are number two in the world in reading the our fourth and eighth graders have the highest achievement gains i in the last three yearsf the largest in the country. hispanic since have some highs graduation rates in the united states. the overall graduation rates for high schools are up by around four or 5% since i got elected. african instance of highs student achievement gains of any state last you. the national council for teacher equality come to service and rove says florida has the high school the teachers in the country. when charlie was governor and 3000 teachers got laid off. including a teacher that got laid off in 2000 because of charlie's cuts in education. she called his office and he wouldn't even return her phone call. >> moderator: i have a question for governor crist now. governor crist, under your administration and under governor scott's administration, scores of children have died

under the supervision of the department of children and family. why are we unable to keep kids safe? crist: it's tragic. your type of the challenges and difficult at the department of children and fellows. even if one child dies it's a tragedy and its awful. but this is an area where i decide to reach across the aisle when i got elected governor in 2006 i reached out to bob butterworth from a former attorney general. one of the smartest thing thingu can do as a leader things you can you as lead a search on december the best and brightest. bob butterworth was great and it was followed by george sheldon is running for attorney general, did a tremendous job behind. what's important is to be transparent. there's a story in the paper today about a lack of transparency on this issue from rick scott's administration to i can't understand the. maybe he will talk about it in the rebuttal. but what is important is you have to be clear, got to be open or you can't fix the problems to begin with. one of the first questions i got

from bob butterworth when he was secretary when we had a challenge with a child very early in the initiation, he said what you need to do? i said call the press conference, let's shine a light on the we can't fix it. let's -- >> moderator: governor scott. scott: it's a tragic. right after the bell shootings i went and met with the survivors of that family, and my heart goes out to them. great grandkids. we don't want anything to happen to her grandchildren. here's so we did it when i came in the first thing we did is we increased the pay for our child protection investigators, charlie had kept funding for child invested but we also bought in the casey foundation rebuilt we're doing. they made recommendations. i want to legislature and us are more investors and now we've 270 more. they are going to spend, they're going to be up to spend more time per family to hopefully stop this. but here's the positive.

the number of child deaths has come down since charlie was governor. it's not as you. i it was easier because every child death is a tragedy. >> moderator: governor scott, thank you. [applause] governor scott, governor crist from now without the lightning round with some shorter questions are just 20 seconds into the question i will ask you governor crist and ask governor scott a different question. the first question i want to ask you, governor crist, is why did you insist on bringing a finger when you're camping you this would be a contentious issue? [applause] crist: why not? you know, is anything wrong with being countable? i don't think there is. having compassion with other people. we did fine. thank you, elliott. >> moderator: why the delay coming out over a fan? scott: he said he wasn't going

to come fashion he said he's going to come to the debate. so why come out until he was ready? >> moderator: governor scott, governor scott, why do you keep your assets in a blind trust? scott: the reason is i don't have a conflict. charlie crist did a grand jury when he was governor and to the right thing to do with you at jeb bush. charlie didn't do it but you're asked to do a blind trust slate of the conflict. i don't know what assets they have. a third way runs as assets and that's what i've done. >> moderator: governor crist him say something nice about governor scott. [laughter] crist: i'm happy to. i want to commend him on how he has handled the ebola situation. i want to commend him. [laughter] crist: it's better to be prepared than panic, really. >> moderator: governor scott, say something nice for governor crist transit that was very nice of him.

[laughter] >> moderator: on that night ashman notes the lightning round is over. we were short on time. gentlemen, that concludes the question and answer portion of this debate. the candidates will now have 20 seconds forward slash i'm sorry. we will have one minute for closing arguments. and governor crist will go first. that was determined by a toy cost to one minute for closing statement, governor. crist: figure much. i dislike think people watching it on tonight. using the differences between rick scott and myself. i care about education and i grew up in the state and i love florida. i want to do everything i can to make sure the middle-class has opportunity to boot and then you're doing under governor scott. i want to make sure we invest in florida businesses first. if they have a chance to employ more people instead of a corporations from outside our state. i want to make sure protect our beautiful environment. i love the water and a loving out on the water in tampa bay and my home. and i want to make sure for

future generations they have the opportunity to enjoy the beauty of this great state. i'm asking for your vote. i would appreciate what the vote by mail, vote early or you vote on november 4. god bless you, and god bless our florida. [applause] >> moderator: governor scott. scott: i want to again thank my wife for standing by me through thick and thin. my mom is watching from heaven. i want to thank her for being willing to divorce an abusive husband or i want to thank by daughters four, jenna, for being such great members of our family. four years ago my mom called me a good boy and i ran a campaign to get our state back to work. 7000 jobs over seven years. we are on a roll. it's an honor the new governor. it's a great honor. i would love to get your vote. i'll tell you i would of the again to make sure this is the state you can live your version

of the american dream. [speaking spanish] >> mucho gracias, good to be here. [applause] >> moderator: governor scott, thank you very much. governor crist thank you very much. that concludes our debate. don't forget to vote on tuesday november 4. governor scott, thank you. thank you very much governor. [inaudible conversations] >> tonight more c-span's campaign coverage. will take you live to iowa for the third and final debate in the race for iowa u.s. senate seat between democratic

congressman bruce braley and republican state senator joan and. a quinnipiac poll released ms. burns to leading with 47% to 45% of voters. live coverage tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span. another u.s. senate race taking place in arkansas were income and democrat mark pryor faces republican congressman tom cotton. tuesday they held their second debate and here's some of their debate. >> i'm always getting criticized by my democrat the let's talk about the government shut down. i did not support the. i thought that was terrible. congressman cotten did by the way but i did not support the. mayor in mind that when we reopen the government, when we reopen the government i was part of the group in the senate that brokered that it was an important moment in the senate. because the government back open. i have to give a lot of credit to republican of maine, susan collins but she called me and

said i have some ideas. we government office and talk about? that was the beginning of it and we got the government opened again. one of the things people in washington know about me is i was trying to work in a bipartisan way. that's leadership to me. that's getting things done. that's getting things done for arkansas. it's something you all know about me. it's my trademark if you will. is what people in washington know, and the good news is i continue to work with republicans, and i always will. >> mr. cotton? >> mark pryor says he does bipartisan -- bipartisan way. time and time again is that barack obama over the interest of arkansas. casting the deciding vote for obama to voting for one from dollars into debt every single year. standing up to be expended in washington is one example where i guess i do stand up to my party. earlier this year we passed a big spending bill that brokered spending caps that were nine months old. how did they pay for that?

senator pryor and barack obama into the republicans try to balance the budget on the backs of veterans, cutting the pensions can elaborate on opportunity. been extended those spending caps out nine years. big spenders in congress can't have some spending discipline for nine months and i don't think they can do it nine years out. that's just in keeping with senator pryor's record of rubberstamping the obama agenda time and time again. you say you voted against your party some, which of the 93% of the votes did you cast for barack obama's agenda do you regret? >> i would remind you the question ask him when did you vote against the party line. >> i mentioned a few of the times i vote against party line and and there's been many, many, many of the sense of innocent. the reason is because i represent you but i don't represent a party or a nicer to oppose or oppose the president t i take officially. they people who watch the senate every have ranked me, and this

is folks who know the senate, watch how we vote, not all the ads, but all the rhetoric, that they rank meet every year as the most are one of the most independent senators in washington. i'm independent because a listen to you. >> moderator: mr. cotton, last rebuttal for you. what did you voted against the partyline? >> i didn't many instances of senator pryor voted against barack obama, immediately does when barack obama gives information to begin with. if you want to go back to the government shut down, i along with every other congress than for our kosovo for every spending bill to keep the government open, to reopen and then open finally. senator pryor kept voting against the people of arkansas. iin the end those bills only two provisions. one, senators and congressman had to follow obamacare, and getting a debate a tax if you can afford your plan. senator pryor thinks congressmen and senators should a special perks that you should have to follow obamacare. >> in georgia senate race saw second debate between democrat

michelle nunn, republican david perdue, an independent amanda swofford all competing for the seat that we left open by the retirement of saxby chambliss. "the cook political report" rates the race a tossup. the rothenberg political report recently changed its rating to leans republican. >> good evening and welcome to restart renewed at the georgia national fairgrounds and agris and. for tonight's debate about the three candidates to this into the vacant u.s. senate seat in the state of georgia. we want to thank all of you who are watching live on tv, those will be watching this on a tape delayed basis and those who turned up tonight at the arena in support other candidates. thank you very much. [applause] my name is frank malloy, news

anchor. i will be moderating tonight's debate. obviously, the purpose of tonight's biggest a what are three candidates have to sit on the issues and why they should be the next senator in the state of georgia. and why we appreciate your passion for politics, those of you were here tonight, we are going to be able to need to hear what the candidates have to say. they wanted to hear what each other is saying. they will have to be able to hear what the panelists are saying so we appreciate your cooperation in that regard. at this time it is my great pleasure to introduce the candidates left to right, this is a position that drawn beforehand, republican candidate david perdue. [cheers and applause]

democrat of the -- democratic candidate michelle nunn. nunn. [cheers and applause] our libertarian candidate, our libertarian candidate amanda swofford. [applause] the format of the debate is as follows. each candidate will give a one minute opening statement. they wouldn't answer questions from our panelists who will i'll will introduce in a minute. they would then be allowed to question one another. then more questions from our panelists and then a one minute closing statement. that is the format. our panelists tonight again going left to right, special projects editor with 13 in

making, mr. randall savage. [applause] host and reporter, ms. leah fleming. [applause] >> news anchor reporter mr. jeff hullinger. [applause] and veteran writer and columnist, mr. jim galloway. [applause] candidates, panelists, proud, thank you very much for being here tonight for your officially underway. will begin with a one minute opening statement as drawn, mr. purdue, you have the honors. perdue: thank you. wow, great to be home. welcome to perdue country. [cheers and applause] folks, this race is not about

michelle nunn. it's not about me. it's about the direction of our country. we have a full-blown crisis in america today. we have fewer people working than any time since jimmy carter was president. middle-class wages have dropped dramatically. and just in the last six years we put 4 million women into poverty under the failed administration of this president. [applause] no wonder, no wonder 70% of america believes we're headed in the wrong direction. we can fix this, but my opponent, democratic opponent will be nothing but a rubber stamp to this failed agenda. [applause] >> moderator: opening statements. ms. noem, your turn. nunn a key. thank you. thank you to our panelists. thank you to david and amanda and most of all thank you to our

rockets and enthusiastic crowd. [cheers and applause] i am really grateful to be here in my hometown, and just a few miles -- [cheers and applause] just a few miles down the road from our family farm. and here at the fair where my kids love to come every single year. it is great to be here. i am very proud of my 26 years of living and working in georgia and mobilizing millions of volunteers, growing an organization from a few thousand dollars to $30 million budget. [applause] i know that we can change washington, change the dysfunction if we send someone who is committed to collaboration and creativity, and george about his. [applause] -- georgia values.

threat for ms. swofford, your turn. swafford: i am amanda swofford and you may not have heard about me in this race but i'm the candidate that stands for true freedom. i am bringing to responsibly, responsibly to this race running for united states said because i believe it's that important or i'm holding down my full-time job running for united states senate because i believe in the american dream and they deserve a real choice in the united states senate race. we know it makes no difference which party controls congress in washington because both parties have controlled us for decades. it's time that we get serious about electing a candidate for united states senate who understands the power and responsibility of the individual lies with to liberty, not with big government. i hope you'll keep an open heart and an open mind to listen to our message of true liberty

tonight. and i thank you so much for the honor and privilege of participating in tonight's debate. [applause] >> moderator: thank you, candidates. at this time will begin questions from our panelists. the first question will come from randall savage. you were directed to mr. perdue, please. >> let's begin with foreign affairs. not so long ago isis was in a household word but it is now. how do you feel about the way the united states is handling the situation and do you think ground troops should be used? perdue: lets put this in context. this all started in 2011 when our president did not heed the advice of many expense people in the military about taking care of -- [applause] he created the vacuum that allowed the rise of isis. and today, i believe our security at our national border needs to be taken into account because all of a sudden figured out our board is not just an immigration issue, it's a

national security issue. i have said many times that i want to deal with this over there, not over here. thank you. >> how about ground troops? perdue: i think right now what we need to do is make sure with a plan and a mission. we don't have that right now. when we put boots on the ground we better give them a chance to win. and by that we don't have that. will try for our next question is from leah fleming. >> good evening, ms. none. the world has definitely been outraged by the beheading and the murders by isis. and i wanted to ask you, you said in an immediate isis is a dangerous terrorist organization and it has to be defeated and that we must take the lead in that. if elected, how would you vote on the issue of isis? nunn first of all i've said i think it's in a crowded

dangerous threat. i'd like to go back one year ago to when we were asked, all of us as candidates what we would do about syria. and david perdue said that we should do nothing. i said that we should intervene and lift up the moderate forces. [booing] there's a big difference. [applause] in this race and this is about leadership and it's about having some foresight, and it's not about political expedience. it was a popular thing to do a year ago to say we should do nothing. it is not a popular thing to do to say that we should engage. but we do nude -- we do need leaders who do the right thing, not the popular thing. i think we need to continue with airstrikes. [applause] and we also need to make sure that we have congressional authorization for long-term engagement. [applause] time for mr. perdue, to what 30

seconds to rebut? perdue: i would like that, thank you. times have changed in a year. this president a year ago, he to an line in the sand. any backup from it. he had no plan then, he is no plan now. this is a very dangerous time in our history. we've got to get serious about our national defense. right now because of our debt we are threatening our ability to protect our own national security. the greatest threat to our national security is our own debt. thank you. [applause] >> moderator: next question will come from jeff hullinger. you will ask it of ms. swafford. >> we want to thank the candidate for being here. of the story in the "washington post" last week that a big trend around the united states is for candidates not to appear at these kind of debate anymore, particularly there's one in minnesota much like this, and it has been canceled. so a big round of applause for the candidate for being here

tonight. and give yourself a round of applause for caring enough about government to be here tonight as well. [applause] spent ms. swafford, i would ask if you are elected to you would be the only libertarian in congress. and with that would be an issue of where you would caucus. would you caucus with republicans, democrats, or neither? transit i think if i'm elected as the first libertarian in this country to the united states senate, i would have to ask which party would want to caucus with me as the true candidate for liberty and reduced government and u.s. a solid record working in government. i've been elected on the local government local and i have a record of reducing government and giving our citizens more freedom. which party would want to caucus with me? i think that's the trick question. but let's be clear but i would not support any of the leadership that is currently in place because congress and the leadership has done a dismal job. dismal.

[applause] >> moderator: next question will come from jim galloway. you will directed to mr. perdue. >> mr. perdue, you have been quoted in a 2005 deposition as saying that you've spent most of your career outsourcing. u.s.a. -- let me finish, please. let me finish. you would say services, others would say jobs. you said you were proud of that. let's take the next -- we'll be talking a lot about this this evening i think so take the next minute and lets you begin to make your case. perdue: look. don't be confused. is another attempt by my desperate opposition to use one line out of 186 page document -- [applause] out of a 186 page document to define a career. let me tell you what the issue is -- [booing] the issues of the past 30 '04 years we decimate an entire industry because of bad government policies. tax policy, regulation policies,

compliance issues. what i have fought for in this campaign is to get this economy going again. i believe that we have got to stop the nonsense washington but it doesn't work. we've got to reform our tax code. we've got to reform our regulatory overreach. and, finally, we got to unlock our energy resources. that will help us compete with the rest of the world. if one man can define an industry and kill it, that's not possible. what i am here representing is a way forward to get our economy going and putting our people back to work. thank you. [applause] >> jim, do they follow up to ms. nunn? >> i think he invoked your name. nunn: david has said he has the unique experience to really get them opportunity to serve in the senate with 10 other folks that

a business expense. but i'll tell you, he would be even more unique than that. he would be the only senator that from his own words has built a career around outsourcing american jobs. [applause] that is not the experience that we need in washington. david, in his deposition, talked about 16 countries, thailand and singapore and india, pakistan, but not once did he talk about creating jobs in the united states. [cheers and applause] >> moderator: we are going to move on. randall savage, the next question goes to ms. nunn, please. >> ms. nunn, viewers sent in questions that we have a ton of questions about immigration. they range from cutting education --

>> rather, i think were having trouble hearing you. yes, sir, thank you. >> anyway, they range from amnesty to illegal immigrants getting american citizens jobs and the costs of educating children of illegal immigrants and providing health care for them. if you're elected to the senate, what would you do regarding amnesty for illegals and providing those costs? nunn: i am in support of a bipartisan immigration framework put forward by marco rubio and john mccain, and 14 republican senators, and a bipartisan coalition of democrats. [applause] it is also advanced by the u.s. chamber of commerce, the farm bureau, and it is a framework for investing in our border security, 20,000 security agents on the border as a part of this bipartisan bill. so when david talks about our borders to go to, let's talk about what we could have already accomplished around the.

it also gives folks a pathway, not amnesty, a long journey go into the back of the line, paying back taxes, security checks, learning english, and it gives us the opportunity to create jobs, over 1 million estimated jobs, and to cut our debt. [applause] >> randall, follow up. >> ms. and mr. perdue looks like he was foaming at the bit. did you want to respond? perdue: oh, yes for 30 seconds. perdue: limited which long with the. i would've thought against some of my republican counterparts because of two things. it did not define amnesty properly and it gave the department homeland security discretion about securing our border. now with isis we see that that's not acceptable. my opponent is nothing but a proxy for this president in

terms of not enforcing the laws of the land, in terms of securing our border. >> moderator: next question will come from leah fleming directed to ms. swafford. >> the libertarian vote could actually sway this election. at least by causing a runoff. how could you get above that 3% threshold is predicted to show up at the polls and possibly secure a win? swafford: i think i am a true, real choice for the united states senate, that we really don't have a senate that represents working-class americans who actually go to work every single day. and i thought when i was involved on the city council where i held elected office it makes a difference on the legislation that's put in front of you if you have these real concerns. you are sitting there in the living room and trying to decide, do i raise or lower the thermostat? these kinds of things make an impact. i think if we have an electorate that is tired of the same old promises from both parties.

we've had a conference or -- congress for decades that have been toughest promised tax of them spent reforms that have we got a? both parties have controlled congress and raced times for the last 20 years with majority. what have we gotten out of that? ..

i would like to ask you what do you think the federal minimum wage should be specifically? >> let's talk about the minimum wage. we have proven time and again that this is about jobs from a supply and demand. if you get the economy all of the rates go up because we have more people working. the problem right now is that my opponent wants to tear me down in terms of the business career so let's talk about what she'd really stands for. she supports obamacare, the federal control of education regulation of energy and the economic policies that caused the crisis we have today where 4 million women have been thrown into poverty in the last six years. 32nd rebuttal. >> you didn't answer my question

in a single day of working at dollar general you made what it took one of your employees making minimum wage a whole year to make. let me ask again do you believe that we should have a federal minimum wage and specifically what you think it should be? perdue: this minimum wage if you increase minimum wage the way this president is already doing you have killed jobs in this country. that's why this president wants bigger government, higher taxes, more regulation. this should be a plan that my opponent supports >> moderator: we are moving on. next question. folks i appreciate is that i can't even hear what they are saying and in order for me to find out if there's time for a rebuttal i need to be able to

hear if they are attacking one another and i think our panelists are having trouble hearing right now, too so we are going to have to move on. i know that you are passionate about the need to hear what everyone is saying. ms. swafford you have the next question. swafford: my question is for ms. speedy wedding. the democrat party finally put a plank in their platform allowing the individuals freedom to structure and decide who they wanted to marry. were you in favor of the platform before the time or do you now support that platform that allows the individual the freedom to decide who they want to marry? nunn: . wartime? swafford: in 2012 the democratic party finally put a plank in the platform allowing individuals the freedom to decide who they wanted to marry. were you in favor of the government of the democratic party before 2012 or argue in favor of it now?

nunn: through the campaign i said i believe all people should have the same right as my husband and i. [cheering] that's been my position throughout the campaign. >> moderator: mr. perdue? perdue: i grew up in middle georgia working on the family farm. you said some very positive things about agriculture yet indoor plant you rank agriculture as number 18 on the list of priorities. in issue number 30 by question

to write is gore campaign just a well-funded efforts to deceive the voters of georgia? nunn: for you to question my credentials is somewhat ironic. i've been born here. i am a ninth generation and i served in the same organization for 26 years. while you were spending your career outsourcing jobs according to your own deposition so i learned my georgia values of service and integrity and commitment from georgia and i worked alongside while you have been outsourcing jobs.

i wouldn't say that as a part of the american enterprise system i just don't think that it's more of what we need in washington. [applause] >> a 32nd rebuttal for mr. perdue. perdue: you know, michelle coming back at you. you didn't answer the question at all dearth 17 more items more more importantly the farmers in the state. nunn: where did you get that? perdue: out of your plan. nunn: that's not true. the [cheering] there is no plan that has not listed and i will tell you that over a year i talked about serving on the agriculture committee and i might put it to you this way. the farm bill was the most important piece of legislation for georgia and its citizens and get used against it. every single farmer that i

talked to said they were for the bipartisan compromise that you were against it. perdue: in my boardroom we had to answer questions. this doesn't explain why you have 17 items more important than in this state. [applause] [cheering] >> moderator: we are going to go to panelist questions now. the next question for mr. perdue >> moderator: since we can hear some of it coming in the about ten or 15% of it, the issue of immigration and one of the images with television on amnesty but the reality here in the state defined by a culture even in times and was hovering

around 11 or 12% we couldn't get anybody to pick crops. there were all kinds of fields that went unharvested. does that not constrict the agriculture business in the state? perdue: let's put a context on this. the issue is a very complex issue. i think we need to break down the components in the first component is the border. it's not just an immigration issue. we have to secure the border to ensure our own national defense. [applause] second, to your point though, the farmers in this state have a hard time getting legal labor because the bureaucratic nonsense in washington doesn't work. the program only has about 14 farmers in the state that can use it because it is so expensive. the number one thing we need to do in the state of georgia for agriculture is help the farmers

where they can get access to legal labor. thank you. [applause] >> moderator: next question please. >> moderator: the state court of appeals judge has been called in the senate because the vote cast in favor of the confederate emblem on the state flag and the opposition while the legislature in atlanta. if you are elected would you support the nomination? nunn: let me go back for one minute and talk about agriculture because i do want to ask david -- [applause] you have misrepresented my position on agriculture and i just want to make sure that people know that. the nomination is one that i

think is problematic and i have concerns about as a member of other senators do. as any senator would want to have a conversation and a dialogue with them but i have serious reservations about the nomination. [applause] >> next question please. if you were elected he would support legalizing medical marijuana throughout the united states lacks nunn: right here we have unique cases where we have seen families struggle with the issue of a known substance helping them with their children so that is a very well-known fact we have families having to approve their life and moved to different states and of georgia doesn't get progressive about these issues issues with a lot of other states around us that

while -- and the families are just going to leave georgia and that is leaving jobs, that is leaving a lot of economic vitality to the state. so yes, i think that's very important in order to allow that to happen. we need to definitely allow the legalization of marijuana for medical purposes. [applause] >> next question. this week the treasury department released the figure for fiscal year 2014 which ended on september 30 and the total deficit over the period is expected to ring in at more than $9 trillion. i know that you said if elected getting the national debt under control and balancing the budget with your top priorities. how would you do that and how would you do it without raising

taxes? perdue: it's a crisis that pulled us into this race. today this is a serious. today we are borrowing over a third of what we are spending the last five years. we have almost an 18 trillion-dollar debt. they sold a bill when they said they would cut the debt in debt in half and and it is on track more than doubling. right now that debt is $1 million per household, per household. the way to get out of this is to cut spending and grow the economy. the best way to grow the economy is to cut taxes, pull back the regulators and unlock our energy resources. my democratic opponent was handpicked by barack obama. do you think that this is going to go against his failed economic policies that created this mess we have fewer people

working today than any time when jimmy carter was president backs of moscow >> moderator: ms. nunn to you wish to respond quick nunn: i think david and i would agree the long-term debt is a serious challenge and we would disagree i believe that it would only be result in resulted in a collaborative approach bipartisanship out by republicans or democrats but by working together and actually focusing on compromise and growing our economy revenue neutral tax reform and cutting out the waste and fraud and abuse but at the same time curbing for instance the medical expenditures we have our work cut out for us but it has to be done through collaboration. [applause] >> moderator: you have the next question directed to nunn please. >> moderator: you have said repeatedly that your role model and the senate should you be

elected should be your father that served the state for many years and you said you would reach across the aisle and you wouldn't be locked into certain ideology or dogma that you charge the course where you could go to both sides but in reality and by your fathers on your father's own image and the senate is a radically different place than the senate that he left when he came back home to georgia. it is so partisan at this point is it possible to reach across the aisle and if you attempt to do so, your party will penalize you for sort of operating in such a way. do you agree or disagree? nunn: my father said many times he never passed a single piece of meaningful legislation without republican support, and i agree with that. i believe we have to have bipartisanship and i will tell you when david was asked is there a single democratic idea that you can support, he failed

to think of one. that's not what we need. in washington. [applause] idb leave i do belief that we can send people to washington to work across the aisle and the only way we are going to change washington is the leadership and through people who were focused on relationships and on things like campaign finance reform. again, david has rejected that but we can change washington but only by sending people who are committed to work across the aisle. >> moderator: do you wish for 30 seconds? perdue: thank you. i don't know about you i'm getting a little bored working across the aisle when nobody on the democratic side has decided they want to work across the aisle with the republicans in the united states senate. [applause] we had 300 -- we had 384 bills stuck on harry reid's desk. the first will be for harry reid the senate majority leader. we cannot stand two more years

of possibly ten more years of this direction. you say you want to be 18 and older, but you he will not bite the hand that feeds you. >> moderator: next question? you have to pardon me if this question has been asked. monday's supreme court decision not to hear the appeals of the lower court rulings -- let me finish or do contend to let the issue be determined by courts or if elected to the senate would you contemplate some sort of congressional intervention blacks nunn: the primary purpose is to preserve and protect our individual rights. the government should not be involved in the decision of how we structure our individual relationships. the libertarian party has been on the record since the very beginning on this very issue.

individual power and responsibility is at the core of what we believe. and we believe that you should be able to make that decision because if you're not, how do we trust the government to make that decision for you? it makes no sense. absolutely the reason the government got involved in marriage in the first place if you go back and look that up if it's not a very good reason and it's a very sad history in the nation's history. for the very purpose of the government is to preserve and protect the individual's rights. so, we need to be responsible and a loud laugh with individuals and how they structure their marriage response ability. [applause] >> moderator: next question will come from randall savage directed to mr. perdue, please. >> moderator: on the website you said that you would repeal the affordable care act or obamacare. [applause] in light of the fact that obamacare is president obama's

baby and if you try to reveal it, he will veto it. how did you want to try to get that done back nunn: thank you. first this is one of the worst walls that has ever been passed in the united states history. you have to vote for the bill to find out what did it and allow the government to manage 16% of our economy. this is failing. costs are rising. a sensibility is down and jobs are destroyed. almost two thirds of americans will businesses have cut back employment. this is the wall that has to be repealed. congressman tom price of a perfectly good bill in the house and if we got it barely gets past it. the difficulty the next two years i think we need to delay the mandate mandate january 1 of 2017 and let the people of america vote in the presidential election of 2015 to add a

referendum about obamacare. [applause] >> moderator: usa next question direct you to nunn. >> moderator: i know use that obamacare is not perfect, but do you support the affordable care act? nunn: i have said time and time again there are things that we need to fix and things we need to build upon. so, when it comes to fix it i think we need to add more insurance for individuals. i think we need to extend tax credits to businesses and repealed the cuts threatening the hospitals and i don't think we want to be having this argument the next six years. there is a plan for prosecuting and attacking the other side. if you want to have people that

are going to work together pragmatically to do things that will matter in people's lives if you want to put the people of georgia first then i would ask you to look at my candidacy. [applause] >> moderator: do you wish a rebuttal? thirty-second rebuttal. perdue: thank you. let's think about obamacare for a second. my opponent talks about all the work across the aisle. we take a look at republicans and democrats adhere to the libertarian principles.

but they don't seem to like the candidates. using to be attracting back as well. at what point do they break through and become a challenge for the republicans and democrats in the second part of the question and maybe the third part will it happen in our lifetime? nunn: if you look at the election we had a candidate i was able to take a million in georgia the libertarian party has actually had a candidate in 2,012,000,000,000 i am a candidate running for the united states senate in had the experience of the government. i have a record for voting with the government and the freedom. we went to the national convention this year and i can

tell you we have a whole new theory they are standing up and getting tired for voting on the same old because we've been through this time and time again. everyone is tired of the irs and fair tax yet congress has never given a fair tax. why not, you have to ask this question. it's time and the american people here in georgia we are ready for the cover in response ability of the individual. [applause] >> moderator: jim galloway you have the next question. >> moderator: let's talk about saxby chambliss. he's been working with mark warner in virginia finding acceptable ways to peer down a 17 trillion-dollar deficit through a combination of reduction in entitlement spending and increased federal revenue by closing the federal

tax loopholes and perhaps decreasing the corporate tax rate at the same time. you have rejected that approach even though you say the federal deficit is the nation's greatest national security threat. tell us what your approach would be. perdue: first of all, we have low hanging fruit. to solve the crisis we have to cut spending. we have $480 billion of redundant agencies of the government, not my number, this is a general accounting number. that's the first place i would go. second, in terms of rolling the economy but we have to do is put people back to work again and that's what i'm proud of in my job. what we have to do right now in my opinion is reform the tax code and finally unlock the energy resources. this country has the best

workers in the world. the bad policies are keeping us from putting them back to work and competing because this administration doesn't understand how to create jobs. my opponents tonight. more taxes and more regulation create jobs and i am living proof that is not the case. >> moderator: if we could get time on that same question please. nunn: can you clarify the question? >> moderator: how to reduce a 17 trillion-dollar federal deficit do you do that through a combination of spending that's and revenue increases? nunn: the government is bad at picking winners and losers and if you're not connected to the

right people or you don't have the most effective lobby you are at a disadvantage in this environment. the solution is a three-step process. you have to strip the government of the power to manipulate the enterprise, reduce the tax reform and bring spending in line with the actual budget. these are simple things. why haven't we done that already? i might have been the only person that is said and complemented saxby chambers for his work with mark warner because it is essential that we have bipartisanship and that we do need to grow the economy, cut spending and reform our tax code. david talked about his experience in actually creating jobs but i want to remind folks that just yesterday he said he was proud of a career in which he spends the majority of his time outsourcing american jobs.

so that's cost quite a lot of people paying. we will wrap this up with a 32nd rebuttal. nunn: let me tell you what i'm proud of them proud of seeing my career creating and saving real jobs. michelle's pe 11 will not change any of that. >> moderator: next question for ms.'s pe 11 please. >> moderator: two parts, first do you support a balanced budget amendment and a second, since the congress ignored previous attempts to implement the amendment if you are elected to what you change their mind and get them to approve the referendum on the budget? nunn: i do support efforts

like the balanced budget amendment and i think it is time. i've set also we should ask every member of congress to say they don't get paid unless we pass an annual budget so i do think that we could create more fiscal discipline and give an opportunity to restore regular order. we do not need the kind of dysfunction that leads to a government shutdown. david perdue ignore the shutting down the government as a political tactic and that is not helpful. it cost the economy billions of dollars. 77,000 people in georgia were furloughed during would furlough during the government shutdown. so, again we need principles come efforts and ideas on the balanced budget amendment, but we also need to send people to washington but i'm not about attacking and that are not about paralyzing our government.

>> moderator: mr. perdue? perdue: it's interesting that my democratic pundit says she would support a balanced budget. we couldn't get here he read into barack obama to reconcile for five years. the decision in every 70% of us know that we are headed in the wrong direction. we can sit here all day and put people back to work in the country again. thank you. >> moderator: you have the next question for ms. swafford. >> moderator: congress has 39% approval rating, something both democrat and republicans have prescribed as a dose of stability to restore washington. if elected, what is one issue

you can agree with president obama? swafford: i would agree with the open and transparent government, but he's not doing it. i would like to push him to be more open and transparent across all levels of government i don't think that we know enough about what goes on in our government. look how long the program existed before he knew what went on. how many things in the government does he really not know what is going on? the federal reserve? we didn't know what happened until 60 minutes for the first time showed us on tv what was going on. there's so much in the government of the don't know about so i agree with the president's efforts to bring transparency to government but i would just like to see more effort on his part and to do that also on the brotherhood initiative he's got to support families and bring more openness and family support to the

community. i would like to see that platform support that because it is an annual program and he doesn't speak about that enough so those are two programs i could get behind. >> you have the next question. >> moderator: let's talk about outsourcing that has resonated through the reporters come your candidates, your opponent. you have said before that washington is the solution for outsourcing. if that is correct or should the public policy be about the subject that is very divisive in this country? perdue: first let's get this straight what causes them to fail is because they can't compete. right now we have a history of an industry being decimated by government policy, bad government policy, apparel

electronic even if it where bad managing on the part of any individual. don't be misled about full statement about what i said or haven't said about my career in a document from ten years ago. but we have to do is get america working again and that's why we have to focus on tax reform, regulatory reform and get the energy release. this is critical to the stage for the new era of economic growth in america. our kids deserve better than we are giving them today. [applause] >> what do you feel that the public-policy? nunn: david has talked about failed government policies, president of him and harry reid and i'm not sure that he recognizes he's not running against kerry reid or barack obama.

he's running against me. this outsourcing took place over 40 years, period. to blame this administration what happened during the work when he was outsourcing thousands of jobs there've been a lot of folks creating manufacturing jobs in georgia at the same time. [applause] >> moderator: mr. perdue a rebuttal for 30 seconds and then we need to move on. perdue: i have a lot of respect for you but you are dead wrong. i'm absolutely running against barack obama and harry reid. no amount of false advertising

will move the fact that barack obama is mentoring you. do you beat me to you will not bite the hand that feeds you -- >> moderator: we are going to stick with that topic. you have attacked mr. perdue for his comments on outsourcing and many of your supporters would argue that the north american free-trade agreement is to blame. do you think that we should rework that trade agreement with canada and mexico cracks nunn: we should always pursue that we are creating an equal playing field. i talked to talk to business people, unions, farmers and over and over again they said we don't need a special favor we need an even playing field.

i think we need to continue to work towards that with every form of trade whether it is with the trans-atlantic trade or the transpacific going forward we need to make sure environmental protections are in place and workers protections are in place but that we have created an opportunity for the export of the product. >> moderator: to the time to ask mr. perdue the same question? [applause] perdue: i'm sorry that we do not have a level playing field. jobs are being lost because this administration is making it hard for small businesses to compete around the world.

this failed agenda put more people out of work. [applause] >> moderator: a 32nd rebuttal. nunn: i'm not sure what that was a response to. did you address a question about nafta? i didn't hear it. again i would just go back to the fact david has said he's prosecuting the president in this case and harry reid. he's running against me. my name is on the ballot, amanda's name is on the ballot and that's the choice people have. we have two more years of president obama and if we have another president we need someone who is going to work with and respect whoever is the president to actually get things

done on behalf of the american people. >> we have time for one more question. one more question before closing statements. randall savage will direct that question to ms. swafford, please. >> moderator: president clinton declared the war on drugs back in the 1970s. as a senator, what suggestions would you make to win that war x. swafford: in this country every 48 seconds we are using precious law-enforcement resources to arrest someone for the possession of marijuana every 48 seconds. individuals are being sent to jail for just possessing marijuana and those are precious resources that we could be housing the truly violent criminals. i would look at that first of all. i would look at the industrial complex of prison. prisons are really did business in america now. federal prisons especially. and that's huge.

so i think we have to get serious about looking at everything the federal government is raising. has it made a difference all of the war? of the government is really bad at all most everything it tries to do. maybe it's time we take a different approach and offer some alternatives and go to treatment and look at some options that more appropriate from the alternative perspective >> moderator: it is time for closing statements. we need to be able to give them the 60 seconds to hear them. every time you clap or interest they have to stop and take it away from their time. they only have a minute and we need to hear it, please. let's start with you. >> moderator: nunn: thank you to the panelists for your good questions and a special thanks to a passionate crowd across the spectrum binky for participating. [applause]

i want to tell you everywhere i go people tell me that they know they need they are fixing to change washington and that it's broken and they know that we need a different kind of leadership in order to do that. throughout this campaign he is evidence that he doesn't have the leadership that's necessary. whether that is opposing bipartisan immigration, the farm bill in for the first ad in all of america painful is the name that was given so i have the aspirations to get things done in washington to serve people in georgia and make a difference in their lives and i ask you for your vote and your support.

[cheering] >> moderator: mr. perdue house one minute for closing statements please. perdue: michelle tells us i'm not running against barack obama but he even said this week that his policy is on the ballot this year in this race in georgia. he handpicked her and undid her. he supports her. do you think that he isn't going to support him when he gets there? the decision of this race is very simple. if you like what's going on in washington, voted for my opponent to cause she will be nothing but a rubber stamp of barack obama and harry reid and nothing will change. but if you are as outraged as i am about the failed policy and by the debt on the backs of our kids and grandkids, then stand

with me and let's take america forward for everyone. i'm asking for your vote and support. one final closing statement. [cheering] >> moderator: she needs to get her closing statement please. nunn: all they want to do is rearrange the government and makes a big make the big government more efficient. at its core ilb i am believed the big government solutions work. most parties have controlled progress for decades. can you name one government program that they've given us that actually worked? can you name anything that they've done to produce government interference over the

personal freedom to ask lex take a look around you. government politics is big money. a lot of you came out here on the buses that were provided at no cost and that is provided to you by both parties. it's time that we get serious of electing a candidate that understands the responsibility of the individual to the government. i hope that you'll consider us on you will consider us on november 4. i am honored to be here because i will work for your vote. thank you very much. >> moderator: david perdue, amanda nunn. thank you very much. audience, thank you for being here. thanks for watching. [cheering]

the closely watched senate race in new hampshire and jeanne shaheen is trying to hold onto the seat against former senator scott brown. joining us to talk about that race out of manchester good morning. tell us where the race stands today. >> guest: last september in 2013 we had a hypothetical matchup between jean shaheen and scott brown still living in

massachusetts at the time but she was beating him by six points in last week we had the poll showing jean shaheen beating scott brown by six points. so there is essentially some double digits and in other places closer but the race has been stuck for a long time. i would say that it's done by the university of new hampshire the most respected poll in new hampshire that others have shown the race to be tighter. there is a point clearly in the margin of error and a single watch in the race is not just to the independent undecided voters. what you need to watch are the voters with a ten-point gap or

enthusiasm democrats supporting jean shaheen. there are questions about scott brown if people can vote republican than scott room has a good chance of winning but right now that hasn't been the case. >> host: where do the questions come from plextor they come from having served as a senator from massachusetts? >> guest: you would think that the carpetbagging argument has been sort of a proxy stated for other things you just don't agree with and you will say that in conjunction with the real reasons you don't like him so if you are a conservative and you don't like the fact that he is pro-choice or the fact that he hasn't had a perfect voting record when it comes to guns, those issues very big in the republican primaries. >> host: are there any issues for scott brown coming back from the primary?

it was a pretty easy walk for him correct? >> guest: he had the two main challengers and if you compare that it's basically tied. so it's kind of misleading. i think the thing to watch here is not just the republican voters but also the negative feelings people have towards scott around. he is around negative 19 in the favorite ability. that is a very rough spot in terms of people that don't like him more than do like him. a lot of people are still beginning to learn about scott brown and people are thing to have this moment. i talked to voters all the time about this if they are on the fence they can imagine themselves walking into the voting booth and they are going to have shaheen and brown and if

they want a protest with obama about 35 to 38% approval rating in the state which is like george w. bush territory back in 2006, people are very upset with him but the voters say they are going to have to take apart and look at scott brown and ask themselves the question and i really going to do this this guy that just moved to new hampshire this year that we don't know a lot about that in terms of issues it's been pretty negative over the last couple of weeks were the last couple of months and interestingly it's been abortion. republicans fought this wouldn't be issue. the first statewide republican nominee since 1986 to be pro-choice and democrats have been using this issue year after year after year to bring out the women's vote and it is generally a pro-choice state yet here we

are he says he's pro-choice but had he voted in the past on something that's been the subject of three different campaign ads in the last week two of them from shaheen, one from scott brown. >> host: the director out of manchester we will check back in before the election is over and keep watching. >> guest: thank you. >> host: good morning to you. >> guest: good morning. >> host: gives the status of the race with three weeks to go. what do we know about the chance of holding onto the seat? >> guest: he had momentum early in the seems like in early september he lost the lead and the republican is holding a small but significant lead for planes, three points, six points, depending on the pole but poll that you look at.

>> host: what will be the key battlegrounds looking into the last three weeks of the campaign? where will this race to be decided? >> guest: the outside money into the campaign seemed to be focused quite a bit on the anchorage while the hometown of the former governor sierra pale in is a conservative area that i think a lot of the energies are focused on and labor has a very big push into anchorage area for get out the vote. >> host: we have been trying to bring our viewers the issue is playing out in the campaign along with the national issues as well. what is pebble mine? >> guest: pebble mine is a proposed mine of western alaska. very large and it has booths in the area and also fishermen

around the state. very concerned and in general both parties from both candidates are trying to say that federal overreach is a bad thing that we keep hearing in this campaign how i would stand against federal overreach. it was a bold move supporting the epa ruling against the mines. it's been called a preemptive veto because it hasn't actually applied for permits yet. but begich said i i supported because it would be bad for the western alaska and there might be some native groups and commercial fishermen.

it undermines his ability to say i stand tough on the fed backing the epa indicates. the today's >> host: >> guest: he's been called the guide with a golden resume with the ivy league education. he worked in the bush white house, he worked in the state department under condoleezza rice, he's a marine reserve active-duty marine and marine reservist and he was alaska's attorney general for a brief time and also a national research commissioner which you can imagine is a big job in alaska and the campaign is pushing seeking to alaska as an

adult for that then spread throughout this campaign. >> host: one of the figures in alaska playing into this race is the other sender lisa murkowski. here is a recent ad mentioning senator murkowski. >> we have over 3,000 to begin thousand ~ can indication jobs and mark begich is thought to protect them and the ceo of one of the largest companies. i worked with mark when he transformed the economy. he's done the same thing helping expand the telecom industry. and we are one of the only states with both senators on the appropriations committees. we can't afford to lose that. i voted for lisa and now i'm voting for mark. >> by mark begich and i approved this message. >> host: joining alaska public radio networks the dc correspondent pounded lisa

murkowski feel about being mentioned in the mark begich add? >> guest: it was the second added that he used, the picture -- there was a picture that ran with it showing the senators smiling at each other or smiling in her office and senator murkowski issued a cease and desist letter to get the campaign not to use her image and she said that they were implying that begich had her support when he does not. she's backing dan sullivan. >> host: and she cut an ad for him. talking to the camera talking about her support for dan sullivan here is that add. >> we are all tired of the negative ads and i'm especially disappointed by the dishonest attacks on dan sullivan. i need a partner in the senate who will work to advance alaska's interests. alaska needs dan sullivan.

>> host: liz ruskin joining on the phone we have six debates coming up in nine days later this month in alaska. what are you expecting and what issues will be the key issues? >> guest: it's hard to say because we haven't seen many of the debates between them. i don't know. i can imagine fisheries will be a hot topic, who stands tougher against the epa and the federal government. it's hard to say. i think there've been two debates between them so far. >> host: and also not a whole lot to go on. a a few polls in alaska. why is it so hard to pull alaska tax >> guest: they are far-flung communities people a little bit off the grid.

one conservative candidate said that his constituents didn't like to answer the phone for the fear that the nsa was listening in. he was joking but there is a little bit of not being so friendly to the telephone pollsters. it's hard to say. >> host: liz ruskin is the correspondent for alaska public radio network on her way back to alaska today. thanks so much for your time this morning. >> guest: thank you.

>> obamacare nearly 10 million americans unemployed. now barack obama says writebol i can make no mistake these policies are on the ballot. every single one of them. >> the candidate greg orman a vote for greg orman is a vote for the obama agenda. >> make no mistake the policies are on the ballot. >> pat roberts is attacking me and that is exactly what's wrong with washington today. they would rather attack opponents than the problems we face. i tried both parties and like many i've been disappointed with both. as an independent, i won't answer to either party. i will answer only to the people of kansas and stand up for the best idea regardless of who thought of it. i'm greg orman and i approved this message because while the attack and try to label me to the country's problems only get worse. >> hello, everyone. in case you forgot and i am bob dole and i want to talk about my

good friend pat roberts. supports generations to share our values and fight for kansas every day. from protecting the national security to creating thousands of new jobs, pat roberts is a workhorse in the senate. the stakes are high, the choice is clear we need to keep pat roberts in the senate. >> i'm pat roberts and i approved this message. >> when pat roberts first got to washington there were 1 million illegal immigrants in america. 40 years later it's only gotten worse. today there are 11 million illegal immigrants. instead of working on a solution, he's come back to kansas to lie about greg orman. the truth coming truth committee opposes amnesty and full support a plan that is practical to taxpayers. >> i approved this message because while they attack and try to label me for the country's problems only get worse.

live from the ksnw-tv studios in wichita the decision 2014 kansas senate debate. now i'm here is the moderator gary. good evening and welcome to the ksnw-tv studios for the kansas senate debate with ksn news and i will be the moderator tonight between senator pat roberts and independent challengers pe levin. as we get started, here are the rules. each candidate will have a minute and a half for opening remarks. each person will have one minute to answer each question of the panel as well as a 32nd rebuttal. we will end with a minute and a half days ways and remarks from each of the candidates. we have our media partners for tonight's debate we have brian from the wichita eagle, doctor bob from the ksnt in topeka, the topeka capital journal command greg andrews from the roberts: eco- ksn news. we want you to follow along and send questions -- tag #ksdebate.

we will be taking some of those questions but let's get started right now with our opening remarks. we did a coin toss before the debate and mr. orman will get to go for go to syndicate the first question from the panel. mr. orman cover the floor is yours, sir. orman: thank you and to everyone at home watching tonight. washington is broken. we all know it. we are sending the best of both parties there, that care more about pleasing the extremists and the special interest in their own party than they do about solving problems. page off-line in the sand and refuse to cooperate. as a result of an action has replaced leadership and in solving the most pressing issues. and we have serious issues to solve. from health care and higher education affordability to the stagnant wages to living within our means of the country. i am concerned if we don't start solving these problems are standard of living and/or status in the world into the very existence of the middle class in america is at risk.

i tried both parties and like a lot, i've been disappointed. tonight senator roberts is great for you president of him and here he read are the reason washington is such a mess and you know what, he's half right. but the other half match ms. mcconnell and pat roberts. the truth is both parties are more interested in playing games in solving problems. and both parties are failing kansas. that's why i'm running for the senate as an independent. i'm a fiscally responsible business man that wants to go to washington and focus on solutions and not party games and i will embrace the best ideas wherever they come from so that we can start solving problems again for the american people. the ..