but let me go back to the border. there should not be any amnesty. we have 167,000 convicted felons just committed by the department of homeland security that are illegal in the united states. we have isis, ebola. we have to secure the border. we cannot have amnesty. >> a point of clarification. he asked about the 66,000 children that have come up to the u.s. border. what are we going to do with all of them? we can't shut down the border, but they are already there. what should the u.s. do with it for a policy? >> well, obviously they have been working through the system and obviously are not going to deport 66,000 children. but we have to secure the border to prevent other

situations like that from happening again and, yes, we can work with the central american countries to make sure that they understand, that there will be like mexico and canada and that they cannot do this kind of thing again. there are also drug cartels involve just as well. >> moderator: thank you, sir. rebuttal. >> first, i am not sure what the senator said there because of the first-aid but he said coming humanitarian deportations. it is a statement he said we should not support the spirit and not clear what the answer was. i believe we need to secure the border, but i also believe we can secure the borders and have a humane immigration policy command i hope we get an opportunity throughout this debate to talk more about immigration because i think it is an important issue for kansas, particularly for western kansas to force it to roberts, a bottle. roberts: he will get immigration policy, majority leader of the senate. he used immigration as a political tool.

so until we put harry reid out to pasture and you get a republican majority then really consider immigration. but, again all the stops when you consider we have to secure the border. that is the first thing. in addition, with a bowl of, or whoever comes across the border, the one under 67,000 illegals, convicted felons, that shows you we have to secure the border, and we cannot support amnesty. my opponent supports amnesty. >> moderator: thank you, sir. our next question. >> let's talk specifics about possible immigration reform. if the u.s. work to create a pathway to citizenship for immigrants who entered the country illegally, what criteria should those immigrants meet to qualify for potential citizenship? >> moderator: said to roberts. roberts: obviously we have to

secure the border first. i mean, let me explain that one more time. the department of of that security just announced that 167,000 convicted felons have come across the border. we have no idea where they are. no secondly, if you are going to deal with immigration problems you have to secure the border first. house of representatives sent a bill over to the senate which the senate is a place where good bills go to die because harry reid will not allow any consideration. but that bill did two things. it gave money to secure the border and really secure the border and changes the law so that every country knows that it is the same law applies to canada and to mexico and that illegals when you come across the border go back. if we do that then we can get

to immigration and all of the complexities. first half to secure the border. >> moderator: thank you, sir. orman: i talked at length from the beginning of this campaign about my policy and immigration. i believe the policy needs to be tough of a practical, and fair. believe we need to secure the border. increase the number of border security agents of the last ten years for about 10,521,000, and i think we need to maintain that commitment. but it needs to be practical. of the will find and deport 11 and a half million people, nor would it be economically advisable. there are whole industries in kansas to the dairy industry, the meatpacking industry, the agricultural sector would be absolutely decimated. how do we make it fair to taxpayers? i think we make it fair by sega if you are here on an undocumented basis you have to register with ice, pay a fine will perform community service.

indeed to hold down a job, pay taxes, obey our laws, and that's the key should be able to stay here and work. i will point out, this is the same plan that 14 republican senators signed onto, including many that came here to support senator roberts. >> moderator: rebuttal, senator robert? roberts: again, you are not going to make any progress with regard to immigration as long as the majority leader, harry reid, stays in power. president obama has threatened or at least it has been reported in the press that he could, by executive order to yet another executive order, declare amnesty for illegal aliens. also, his total immigration policy. now, that is something that i think is absolutely wrong, and it involves securing the border an amnesty before anything else, no amnesty before anything else could happen. my opponent cannot stand up

to the obama read agenda. he would vote for that. >> let's get over bottle now. >> as i said throughout this campaign to my do not support amnesty. you just heard my immigration policy commanded it is with allowing people to work here who are here today and follow a certain set of rules. with that said kucinich roberts wants to talk about how the senate is a place where bad bills go to die or bills go to die. delray exactly what he said, but the senate is actually the only body that has acted on immigration reform. fourteen republican senators approved it. it is still not happening. i would also stand up and say that president obama should not act by executive action to but that is what is wrong with washington today. nothing gets done. >> moderator: thank you. senator, let me ask you real quick. if these people are already in the country now to we need to change our policies? there will be working in the system already.

what would you do? you can't really deport thousands. roberts: i think that we ought to be able to say no to amnesty. now, my opponent in the first debate in hutchinson said he was for amnesty. he will save time and time again that he did not say that. watch the tape, great. orman: they gaffle journal. thank you. in regards to foreign policy first with a u.s. invasion of afghanistan and iraq justified? second, outline your preferred response to the new isis threat. orman: well, in terms of afghanistan at think we needed to do something there to root out the muslim extremists there and make sure that they did not have a safe haven in a base to attack us again. in terms of the invasion in

iraq time is now suggesting that we might not have been deaths of lesley should have been. i think part of the challenge we have right now is we have spent thousands of lives lost thousands of lives, add tens of thousands of people critically injured, spent hundreds of billions of dollars and will spend hundreds of billions of dollars more if we honor our commitment to our veterans all in an effort to prevent muslim extremists from having a stronghold of the middle east. and the vacuum in iraq and a civil war in syria's allowing them that. many to be aggressive in terms of rooting out isis. many to follow the air campaign to protect a diplomatic assets of the ground commander need to train the iraqis to be able to solve that problem in their country with our support. >> a cue, sir. >> afghanistan, but i worry about afghanistan. the president repeats what he did we will be in the same kind of situation. the real mistake with iraq

has been not having a support agreement. when we left and left a vacuum. and maliki was not exactly the best with regard to leave that country. but now we have iraq try to establish. this really goes to a larger problem. this president has tried to lead by following with regard to national security and foreign affairs. when you lead by following there's a vacuum. and there's a vacuum that people fill them, and if you don't deal with the bad people it gets worse, much worse, and that is where we are today. we have a situation where just today the president said, we are winning with terror to iraq. we are not. the iraq savage terrorist group is within about 20 miles of back and airport. we have the big red flag. four under and 50 members there. we have 050 marines there.

now, before we go any further the president has to it -- i'm sorry. >> moderator: was going to say, you reached your time. let's hear a bottle. orman: again to what i did not hear an answer from senator roberts as to whether or not we should have gone in the first place. i believe that we might have been a little bit overly optimistic to think that we are going to go in there and in ten years to people who have been fighting for 15 centuries and former properly functioning democracy. i believe that iraq end the war against iraq has got to change. it can no longer be considered a u.s. war against muslims. it has got to be considered a middle eastern war to root out extremism. we have to have more support from allies in the region, and many to back them up to address this issue. >> moderator: thank you, sir. senator robert. roberts: was going to point out the president is conducting a war right now. for a constitutional standpoint the congress ought to weigh in.

the president ought to come to the congress of explain and explain to the american people. if we're going to send more troops in to iraq to contain or destroy isis, and there's a bigger debate going on as to what we should do, then the president has an obligation to come and explain what a victory is. he has not done that. he continues to say, we're going to stay put, do exactly what we're doing. right now we are losing. and intelligence reports show that is a dangerous situation. >> moderator: our next question. >> as social media question. it is from keith ashley. senator robb's, how do you think the united states should deal with the ebola epidemic? @booktv well, again, the ebola epidemic along with isis shows you how we should secure the border and not be granted amnesty.

but i issued a statement just a couple of days ago. why can't we do now we know we will have to do down the road, have a quarantine of west africa, stop the plane traffic, the air traffic from west africa to the united states. we also ought to get our best and brightest in that country as fast as we can be read the world health organization just said that if we do not take action within the next 60 days we could lose 10,000 people a week. that is a humanitarian disaster. again, this all goes back to isis, a bowler, and the other problems that we see. we must secure the border and secure the national security of our fellow americans. >> moderator: thank-you. orman: ebola is obviously a serious issue, and we'd have a serious, coordinated public of response to which that does include sending the best and the brightest over to west africa to deal with that

problem. i also believe that we should suspend air travel with west africa for the time being until the crisis is contained but this goes back to a crisis in. center roberts has come back and made some very strong statements. but it just came out the other day that when he was in washington last month he skipped the hearing. and so i think it is inappropriate to talk. yet when you have an upper to the to do something about it, senator, you chose to skip the hearing. if that is a real problem for kansans. >> moderator: said it to roberts. roberts: the hearing was held out of session. nothing of substance came of it. we have a crisis of with regard to this whole situation. i think the administration has been two steps behind and

asleep at the wheel. we ought to do now -- aegis said that he will have a much more aggressive program. we don't know what it is, but we will have a much more aggressive program. it is the president that we have to look to for this kind of. we're looking for his plan a strategy. we have to do this. we have to do it now. orman: again, the crisis of in washington is on both sides of the aisle. what you did not attend a hearing on the ball up, it is also, that he did not attend to of the three hearings in the agriculture committee, a committee that you want to lead sunday. so i think that crisis is one that you share. >> thank you, gentlemen. next question comes. >> kucinich roberts, mr. armey, but that europe spent a good chunk of your adult lives outside the state of kansas.

your own homes and other states. please discuss your sense of connection with kansas. >> you know, i did grow up in southern minnesota, but my father owned a furniture store in kansas since 1971, and i spent a lot of time as a teenager. kansas' working in a store, learning the value of a dollar, learning kansas' values. when i got the opportunity to move back to kansas in 1996i took it. ultimately my friends are here, my family is here. and the kansan. maybe most importantly my wife is a lifelong and her mother lives here. if you wonder where our spend my time it will be in kansas. >> moderator: said roberts. roberts: i have spent most of my life in kansas. i am very proud of it despite all the hoopla about it. and let me say that i have been border to border and corner to corner and all 105

counties time and time and time again. there is no public official in the history of this state of kansas that has been in more communities talking to more people about the issues they're worried about with their future and their daily lives and the problems that i have. bob told jokes he is trying to catch up with me. so basically, i know kansas. i know kansas is conservative i know kansas wants answers to people who will not repeal or replace a obamacare. restrict the first and second amendment, basically will not support the keystone pipeline . my opponent is in fact a liberal democrat, not an independent. >> i say a lot within the information age so much as the misinformation age. what you heard there was a series of misinformation from

center roberts. i am happy to address them one at a time during the debate, but what i would also suggest is, i care more about the way someone votes. senator roberts, in your case you come back and talk about supporting farmers, and you voted against. you talk about supporting veterans that he did not even have the courage to go to washington and vote on that the reform bill. i think that is more important command at the kansan's know that. >> moderator: rebuttal. roberts: in the farm bill we achieve the number one priority. yes, i voted against the farm bill because it was once again, seeing farmers now farm for the government as opposed to the market. i had received the endorsement from the kansas farm bureau, the kansas livestock association, and every other major farm organizations. they endorse me cannot my opponent. so in every case i have been the champion for farmers and

ranchers. >> moderator: thank you both for your answers. before we move forward, a reminder to the folks of how. sinister questions on-line. you can tweet them to us. we may read your question on their next question is from giant -- brian from the wichita eagle. >> the aviation industry in utah has seen a 37% decline in employment since october october 2008. can this industry be saved? if so, what role should washington play? >> moderator: senator. roberts: i'm sorry. >> moderator: cuts a carry. @booktv easy. stop aviation taxes. this administration and the president can reverse the general aviation. i reminded him of that in this city where his mother is from every 27,000 jobs are involved when it comes to

aviation. the aviation industry for a good long time except for this illustration again and again tried to put aviation taxes on the aviation industry. it is not so much harder to do for you as with the can do against. consequently, have been the champion of general aviation every time the president has said fat cat corporate jet that was down on the floor saying, sorry, this is the general aviation industry. that's not right. we even had a personal discussion about it. orman: the only person on the states to create a private-sector job, i think i am probably uniquely qualified to talk about what private sector businesses need. and i put forward by small business plan to abandon a plan that talk about a number of things. number one, we need to rollback the dodd-frank regulations on community banks and regional banks. what the people involved in causing your financial industry reached the brink of

disaster. we should not be punishing him and punishing companies that service industry like the aviation industry. we have also talked rolling back regulations and having a review of regulation every two years and acquiring the cup -- requiring it to come back for an up or down vote to make sure that the kind of regulations that we are imposing on businesses are doing what they are intending to do and not stifling innovation. so i think those are some of the things we need to do for businesses, and they will help the aviation sector as well. roberts: job creation. job creation, indeed. my opponent is the recipient of a $3 million grant, taxpayer money, to start a short form in the middle of the desert in nevada. i think the supposition was that somehow people eat so many shrimp cocktails and vegas of which she spent much

of his adult life that there would have a shrimp farm in the middle of nevada. bear, that is a grant of $39, and i would like for him to explain that. i have the endorsement of the national federation of independent business, the endorsement of the chamber of commerce. >> moderator: here's your chance. your address is room for a. orman: i am proud of my private sector track record of creating jobs and of rigidity for people and value for shareholders. i have been involved with as an investor in over 40 businesses. senator robertses is reviewing the fact that he spent the last 47 years in washington because it does not realize not every business succeeds. not every business is a success. if they were everyone would be running a big businesses and we would all be successful. we do run into these issues. i am proud of my private sector track record. >> moderator: we ask these candid a question that a lot of you have been asking.

residency. we asked about personal wealth and how you can relate to him. you can find the answers to those questions on our website ks in dot com, kan. dot com, ks in tea, cj online not come to the vesco back to our panel now. >> i have glass half full question. last month the u.s. economy added 248,000 jobs. unemployment fell to just under 6%, the los as july of 2008. what is the u.s. government done right says the great recession of 2008? what should it continue to do going forward to keep this recovery going? ♪ the challenge we have had with this recovery is while we are creating jobs we are not necessarily creating middle-class jobs that have talked a lot about how we get this country going in. first and foremost, we have

to get washington back into the business of solving problems. i can't tell you how many business owners i talk to have said, we need to deal with health care affordability. if we could just have an honest and meaningful discussion about how to address health care affordability and change the incentive to drive cost out of the system we would be in a far better position to create jobs. i have had people tell me we need to deal with immigration reform. number of businesses have suggested the need that they would add jobs if we simply got congress and the president to get their act together and pass some sort of immigration reform that gives them certainty. we also have to get the government out of the way. that is why we put forward a small business plan to help get regulations out of the system and business grow again. >> moderator: senator roberts. roberts: i was going some time back to one of the other questions. have the endorsement for the

national federation of independent business. these are folks to represent all the small business is up and down the state and also the chamber of commerce. the chamber of commerce takes a look, and we meet with all the chambers in kansas. they get those issues to the national chamber and score you on real job growth, less regulation, less spending, providing certainty to the best that we can to the obama rita ministration. they endorsed me. not only did they endorsed me , all the small businesses, the took the extra step of the fighting my opponent and his record. his record of job creation as a liberal to regret. that's what they did. >> defining some of the job creation record in liberal or conservative terms. i think the senator is

misstating once again. frankly, senator, it feels a little desperate and it feels like something that is beneath you to stand up here and misrepresent the facts. i met with chambers throughout the state when i can tell you from those first and meetings that there are a number of chambers in the state that would love to see me get elected to the united states senate. >> moderator: thank you, sir. senator robert. roberts: name them if you can. the national chamber of in their endorsement of me in the national federation of independent business and/or endorsement of me took the extra step, again, of defining my opponent as a liberal democrat. it is basically on the issues with regarding business and the obama-read the agenda and all of the regulations that have come out. we are drowning. we have so many different regulations that you cannot keep up. one farmer told me, we end up

being governed, we are being ruled. there the ones, your job creation, not only the shrimp farm. teefor let's go back to our panel. thank you for your responses. >> both of you have mentioned the affordable care act receiving. i believe you have indicated that it is flawed in some manner. how should the federal government intervened in the health insurance market to control costs without restricting access? >> moderator: center. roberts: number one, you won't have a repeal of replacement of the affordable health care act. and i believe that he should repeal and replace the affordable health care act. my opponent will not do that. he also wants to restrict the person's second amendments. i do not. he is against the keystone

pipeline. i am not. the list goes on. .. >> >> i actually president obama and harry reid are

part of the problem. but i also believe senator your part of the problem to. you have been in washington 47 years to undocumented people in this country has grown from 1 million to over 11.5 million the debt has grown from under $1 trillion to over $18 trillion. in the last decade to even voted to support funding for the bridge to nowhere in alaska. it has been very clear from the beginning i did not support a the affordable care act when it was passed to talk about my campaign contributions in 2010 i gave the contribution to use scott brown who was supposed to be the deciding vote against the affordable care act because i thought it was expanding a broken system. pay for quantity enough for quality. we need to fundamentally change the incentive to deliver better quality care at a lower price.

>>moderator:. roberts: harry reid he contributed money to am president obama whom he voted for and contributed money to describes that hca as the first-ever to national health insurance. that is the wrong way to go. we must be peeled and replace with more market-oriented solutions you will not get there from here unless you elect a republican majority in the united states senate working with the house we can do that. the senate has passed a bill after bill after bill to be helpful to replace obamacare coons: again, as i said from the beginning i was not an initial supporter of the affordable care active idle believe it was the right decision. but right now we have the health care affordability issue we had before that

ac&r have it today. washington talks about the affordable issue which tried to make it a political football and ultimately it prevents them from having to make the hard decision we need to make to secure america's future financially >>moderator: now let's go to the next question. >> before abortion and chances of a woman must have an older say around with the option to view the image and get counseling then wait 24 hours. do agree with these regulations and should ultrasounds before abortions be mandated nationwide? coons: as a man i will never have to face the hard

decision that women face. the women of kansas are smart and can make decisions on their own about their own reproductive health. with that said we spend a lot of time talking about this issue in three have over the last couple of decades and i think it prevents us from talking about other important issues. i would like to see us start focusing on the big problems that we absolutely need to get our arms around if we will pursue the american dream and financial future. >>moderator: pro-life or pro-choice? orman: pro-choice. roberts: it is obvious. pro-life. if i am correct its past the guaranteed of life for those at the end of life?

you cannot say with any degree of confidence or as i am concerned it was the state's issue but federal mandates i dunno almost any federal mandate that i a agree with coming out of washington to take over states' rights. but abortion you have to move past it. i think that is impossible. i really do. coons: justice robbers in his confirmation hearing referred to this issue as that old law. no question i just think we spend a lot of time as a country debating and it is time to start debating other important issues as well. roberts: it is not settled because we had a big fight over hobby lobby and individuals eighth to say i'm sorry we will not accept

obamacare because it strikes at all religious beliefs. and hobby lobby one. so it is not settled that is what i am proud to receive the endorsement for the national right to life they support me and they don't think we ought to get past this issue. >>moderator: and we go back to social media for the next question from twitter. what is their stance on gun control and if you are a gun owner? senator roberts. roberts: i am not a gun owner the last time i had one was the united states marine corps. to support the harry reid legislation that would have been tearing apart the first amendment. neither harry reid nor my opponent looks very good.

but i a believe the the first and second amendment and my opponent is not that is one of the issues that proves he is a liberal democrat and not an independent. first amendment and freedom of speech you should all be concerned about that. and he would have had the congress decide to what f+i

>> >> has spent dishonorably discharged from the of military or sentenced one year or more from getting up a gun. i don't want to see them having guns but the law

abiding citizens who are willing to go through a background check by support their right to bear arms. >>moderator: the next question is from the wichita eagle. >> kansas ranks as the top five states affected by drought according to t

>> >> as a small-business owner myself i recognize getting deeply of all this business is that is why i have my small business plan to roll back regulations with that said we have the crop insurance program that provides for premiums that farmers have to pay if they have to pay more to insure something they're less likely to plant it i don't want to discourage them from

planting lower intensity crops because i think it would be good. roberts: we just had one heck of a time with the last farm bill to put together saving and improving crop insurance. here you go messing around with water usage telling farmers what they can and cannot plant that will directly affect the crop insurance program that we improved. along with senator kerry from nebraska a bipartisan effort we improved it and saved it. the number one priority. when we did crop insurance nobody said somebody could come out from the federal government due to water usage we will encourage you to go to a different crop. >>moderator: now to our panel from ksnt-tv. >> washington d.c. the next

to kansas for expertise on the farm issues. so what would each if you like to see in the next farm bill that is not in the current farm bill? roberts: with that farm bill obviously you have to see if it is working. the farm service agency folks meet with regards to the farm bill headed in the wrong direction. having said that we need a shake up and an understanding that farmers and ranchers mean a lot 83% it now goes to snap for food stamps. and to support anything like

that it is of primary concern for barack obama and harry reid. this has exploded in spending it will cost over $800 billion in the next 10 years. will be sought to stop and think about greater export programs. >> we will talk about that with your rebuttal. orman: talking about the food stamp program ultimately we need to see economic growth because we need to create the jobs where people don't need to be on food stamps. talking about how we have a new american paradox. how it is harder than ever for america to get ahead but easier to do nothing with

your life looking at those means tested programs and asking one simple question does it promote accountability or complacency and dependency? then we need to adjust demand improves them the 40 my amendment during the farm bill was 36 million of eligibility to take advantage of the loopholes but it was defeated by the democrats. because president obama would not go there. the go back to production and agriculture the farmer and rancher feed in not only this country but a hungry world. we will have 9 billion people on the planet in the next couple of decades and our farmers and ranchers have to be looked at in that context to have usda pay more attention to them than

one that will christ of for reforms. >>? delay took away 15 seconds. orman: we need to reform those programs they are encouraging upward mobility and not complacency. i would point out from our first debate at the state fair i actually got the thumbs up now we have a different story apparently that does not make sense anymore. >>moderator: the question and from the night will come from me and you have 30 seconds with no rebuttals. say something nice about your opponent. orman: and i appreciate senator roberts service to

our country and in the marines and every time i have had an opportunity to talk privately with the senator he has been a gentleman with the great sense of humor. roberts: thank-you. the marines take the hill. i would say you are very well dressed. [laughter] i admire your accumulation of wealth. the question of how you got there but that is the american dream i hope we to make that possible for everybody for every kansas community. and you have a very nice smile. >>moderator: you may disagree. i believe we have come to the part of the debate with our closing remarks we will start with mr. orman.

orman: thank you to all the sponsors for having us here tonight and who took the time to listen. and to my wife and family for their love and support. the question tonight is simple is washington working? if it is and then i am not your guy but i believe it is broken and sending a senator back to washington who has been there 47 years is not the answer. i am asking chances to join me tonight twos and a message to washington that the status quo is a law under acceptable and kansas deserves better. we put a man on the moon and harnessed the power of that adam that took the computers that would fill a room on the head of the pin and those people can solve any problem if they put their minds together and work together. but we will not get there if we keep electing bitter

partisanship instead of problem solvers. change can be safely -- scary but deep parties use seem interested to see the other party failed than our country succeed. this is an opportunity for chances to send a message that if you don't roll up your sleeve and start solving problems, we will find people who will it is an opportunity to send a message to the nation what is right with kansas. i am asking for your vote on november 4th to send a historic message to get washington back in the business of solving problems for every american. roberts: thanks again to ksnt-tv and ksnw-tv. president obama said one week ago that the official election was a referendum on his policies and his program and his agenda.

his legacy. that is true. there is only one way we will stop the obama agenda to elect a republican majority. many different leaders across the party is the future of the country because they know i will vote for republican majority with the gridlock of harry reid to stop that agenda this time tomorrow night my opponent will have dinner in new york at $5,000 a plate fund-raiser with george soros family. and the endorsement with the afl-cio. celebrating that began airing going to the george soros fund-raiser i have

never know that family to endorse an independent they endorse liberal democrats such as the afl-cio. >>moderator: thank-you to senator roberts and teeth 17 -- mr. orman and also the wichita eagle and ksnt-tv van ksnw-tv be will have much more on the debate coming up at 10:00 get out and vote. thank you for joining us tonight. >> we appreciate it. ♪ ♪

and the director of the national institute of infectious diseases at the national is a shift health the testified before the house energy house oversight committee on the response to the ebola outbreak on washington internal to a gene green calls for the resignation of dr. friedman. >> joining us is the democrat from texas from the energy commerce committee also serving the city and houston to talk about that hearing today would be hoping to hear?

>> this is a work in progress to find out what authority the cdc has to order a health care provider to do certain things i know advisory typically also how we can fix this problem in dallas at texas presbyterian should not have happened we don't want to replicated so we need to fix it and we have a good handle today a lot of regulatory agencies have the authority to do with it so i hope we do that but oversight investigation is not a legislative committee but all of us to survive their serve on what it is legislated so if we need legislation we will come back. >> is the handling the situation well? >> he understands the issue

is evil thing and he is trying to do that. and what has recently happened they did not have the teams their quick enough to have the resources whether dallas texas or houston or anywhere else. we also don't have enough that texas presbyterian did not have let every as a university of nebraska even in houston and texas did not have that now hospitals are talking about that we made to assist them. >> members of congress said dr. friedman needs to resign >> i think tom has done of a good job since a 1997 and i have seen a lot of officials come and go. i think he is serious and also a problem solver.

>> as far as travel bans would you support that to keep the possible spread from occurring in the united states? >> the administration is slowly tightening it up. we may do that if we see people come out of countries with the epidemic. they have to have a the visa to go to the united states and then you have to go to a the consulate. with the experience with the gentleman who came in who falsified the application we don't need those just shut it down. we may be there tomorrow. but people coming through europe to the united states whole fleet the presence of those airports will deal with that. >> so then that is something you would support? >> yes.

i if we cannot deal with it like we are now. we have worked with these countries historically actually we have had relationships with these countries we want to help them that is heavier there now building hospitals in these countries. >> what about funding for the cdc? both sides say the other side is responsible where do you go from here? >> in congress because that budget deficit is down historically in the last few days we have always had to deal with budget cuts. with the national institutes of health even cdc even other states try to tighten their belts may be that circus away from being

prepared. >> to do support those cuts initial the? >> i support expansion of medical research for writing we ought to do more with health care instead of less. >> calling for restoration of cuts will congress take that up or will there be other issues? >> i thank you will see that but we also have isis anti-black and syria also budget adjustments to pay for what we're doing over there. powless so there will be opportunities to look at the health care budget. we're under a continuing resolution right now that will have to be renewed in december that is the opportunity to adjust the budget to reflect the needs for today. >> should there be a single

person heading this up? >> i think the cdc will i don't know if we need of new czar if you treat bureaucracy you lose the people who are in charge berkeley of cabinet officials and agency heads if they do their job we don't need somebody over them. >> "the washington times" talks about the czar idea his name is present obama that is in control of the processes to oversee america is health. what is his performance? >> was into his divisors -- listening to his divisor's we have had czar fax your ronald reagan and republican presidents that the president needs help and he should have somebody but somebody who is appointed not confirmed by the senate

those officials to are confirmed and somebody does not need to be above them. senator kuhn's one a special election to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of senator biden who left to become vice president. this race is rated as solid democratic. this is about one hour. ♪

♪ live from mitchell hall at the university of delaware this is delaware debate. >>moderator: on behalf of delaware public media 91.1 fm and university of delaware center for political communications we have delaware debate 24 teeeight made possible with financial support of the foundation of delaware and the american cancer society cancer action network. during the two:moderate is lindsay hoffman university of delaware professor of communication and political science. we have the democrats kevin coons and kevin wade. tonight's debate is into parts with the one minute opening statement from each

candidate we will pose questions to the candidates responses are limited to one minutes 30 seconds with a one minute rebuttal then you have the opportunity for moderator discussion. the second part is questions from students from the university of delaware and dollars a university. responses are limited at one minute and each will have one minute for a closing statement. hear from mitchell hall theater week understand there will be no applause during the debate. we held the coin toss to determine our order and that determines we will begin with chris coons opening statement. coons: thanks to the university of delaware and delaware public media for hosting. running for my first full term in the senate because i want to continue working for creative solutions to the

real challenges here and across the country. i worked hard to bring the delaware way to washington. is a very frustrating place. congress spends most of its time fighting over manufactured crisis. but i work with people of both parties. on things that matter. helping the private sector to grow middle-class jobs and increasing access to college and skills training to have a fair shot at the american dream. we demand principle compromised and values results without fighting. the things that america is - - americans expect from elected officials. also where we hear from candidates in person in a civil discourse to learn about visions and priorities and i've looked forward to that conversation tonight. wade: i am kevin wade my opponent chris coons will speak of his four years in washington and will mention

it again and again his programs and legislative record. he will speak of subcommittees' but will not talk about his success to solve problems of delaware. we will have a different conversation. tonight i will be speaking about us and of life that we share here in delaware. i was not lucky enough to be born in delaware but i earned an electrical engineering degree right here at this university and my wife on campus for 36 years is a nurse and a professor to maternal and child health helping newborn babies but tonight is about you we talk about the problems in common-sense positions to get through these difficult times together. >>moderator: it is my job

to keep us on time but that is my responsibility. the first topic is the question to mr. coons about foreign policy. as a concern for the nation put a pin on the map of coble and rest it would not be easy to figure out. but perhaps a good place for us to start with the implications of u.s. actions. the opinion piece in "the new york times" asked the question of syria will be president obama is vietnam's. if the u.s. has air strikes on isis to that new phase of military involvement of the region? coons: we are part of that new race starting airstrikes in iraq and syria but congress has an important

constitutional role to demand the strategy that has the support of the american people. to make sure there is a clear and important victory against this group to demonstrate the massacre of civilians and the head americans for our interest regionally and globally perk up to make sure it is not another vietnam we on the senate foreign relations committee have an important tool to insist on a clear strategy to be laid out to take up and go to the authorization of use of force to stay actively engaged in the oversight of combat against isis. wade: to put a pin on the problem put it on washington d.c.. the past four years we have a world that had some elements of structure and common sense and security with the world that is

beginning wildly out of control i don't know how we consider our foreign relations at this point but it is very dangerous coming from every direction. ebola in this country. i have not heard of a plan that is a success in the middle east. i have heard something that looks like eisenhower with of little big horn. i will not until the year we have a plan for success and then the people i unified and ready for the long and bitter struggle that follows >>moderator: now we have a moderator discussion. moving into a national security issue with the ebola crisis two-thirds of americans are concerned about a widespread epidemic but to texas health care workers are infected. how can you reassure that it

is under control? >> we have a consistent -- a significant range of the crisis it is under control as we can responsibly make it i have spoken with both the head of the cdc's dr. tom friedman and also faults from the united states and delaware's response to hospitals and and nurses and those keep being delaware's save we have a significant concern and we need to invest more to make sure we have the equipment and training to effectively respond. >>moderator: there is no time except for the full discussion minutes you may contribute at this point. wade: is not money or equipment but a lack of leadership. my opponent chris coons told america not to freak out about a single death in america from ebola no to

more people. >>moderator: i will clarify. coons: this was affording an article entitled don't freak out. but let me be clear we should take seriously even a single death in the united states. the of the larger point of that article was we need to tackle a below where it is in control at the same time we invest to make sure the united states is prepared to respond where there are instances of people love being brought to its united states. >> said you compare the response early from ebola? >> we don't have a confirmed united states surgeon general that has been held open by an acting surgeon general for nearly one year. that is not the role of the house is a constitutional role of the u.s. senate.

the spot has been empty and we don't have leadership in washington that falls directly on you, senator harry reid and the democrat congress. >> the exact reason we do not have a confirmed surgeon general is the republican obstructionism they've made a comment about gun violence to be a public health crisis in the united states and he has been blocked from getting a vote by republicans. i would agree with mr. wade is a challenge we cannot fill senior positions in this administration for years because republicans have refused to allow us to get to a vote we do need a surgeon general there is a nominee who was competent and qualified and can lead in this crisis. >>moderator: mr. wade with foreign policy issues becoming of big part of the national conversation and jobs and the economy is one of the four most issues.

a recent poll 41 percent of americans report to economic issues being the most important problem they have. what would you do to ease concerns? wade: now but between 32,005,000 workers to work for welders and pipefitters and electricians. i run a business i know that two plus two equals four. 150 miles north we have north america's largest natural gas reserves the cheapest in the world. we are report stage uniquely positioned across the ocean a 300 million customers waiting to buy our natural gas. put this together and create between five and 10,000 jobs in delaware to solve the problem with leadership and common sense. coons: i spent eight years and a successful manufacturing company here and i have learned from that

experience and also visited with manufacturers to develop a bipartisan agenda. i have introduced bills and had hearings that have been turned into law. the best way is not just focusing on one particular niche but a broader approach to invest with skills and training to strengthen the overall economy. >>moderator: now we will turn to the economy's. >> we are in the days of the economy. that unemployment dropped below 6% for the first time since before the recession is this still the trip 13 economy? >> get the stock market

dropped 300 points today and everything looks good and to you find out 275,000 jobs were part-time. people cannot get by with part-time jobs. of the affordable care act is behind a lot of the separation of a full-time america and a part-time america. i intend to fix that. coons: he misunderstands the impact of the affordable care act providing health care access to the first time to those who were working that seek to get up on the first rung of success but you make a good point with the hundreds of thousands of jobs created with the steady drop to point to a strengthening economic recovery. year over year we have succeeded to make tough choices that cut the deficit by two thirds and we succeed the with the private sector needs to grow more strongly

i am optimistic about our future but we have not made enough progress for all americans. >>moderator: but if if you increase the minimum wage employers will do more with less. >> there is a point you can raise the minimum wage to much i support raising it it has not been raised in years to the idea that folks should work full time to be in poverty defies basic common sense with those values of underlying the american economy. the smarter thing is not just raise the minimum wage but indexed to inflation so we don't go for decades where it stays stagnant then loses buying power. wade: the smart thing to do is create jobs we have a version of middle-class income and the impact of the affordable care act one congressman said he had to do a carved out to save 500

jobs because of the affordable care act to have a tv commercial i salute you but why did you help the rest of the people? my small business had health insurance canceled we carried it 30 years the canceled because of obamacare a friend of mine in june had his final coverage expire because of obamacare. people are forced to pay for policies they don't want with prices they cannot afford that is the nature of this two-part economy. >>moderator: he needs a chance to respond. coons: he mischaracterizes the impact of the affordable care act but the work i have done across the aisle to make sure the unintended impacts was the important effort made possible bye-bye partisanship there are things with the impact but broadly speaking 8 million

more americans having health insurance and access is of good thing. >> it is washington's unicorn it looks really good on paper and it is popular with the constituency but is a realistic considering the uncertainty and the political climate in washington? >> and never heard balancing the budget as a unicorn that is a new mental image. [laughter] but i will say that balancing the budget which we lasted in 2000 excuse me we had a surplus, will take the enormous sacrifices and difficult choices. at a time we go back to the middle east with a significant number of veterans returning home and an aging population we have significant cost on the balance sheet. the progress we made to make

a sustainable deficit i think is well worth noting that going for don't expect us to achieve a balanced budget in the next five years because the changes we have to make to medicare/medicaid social security are unacceptable and unsupported by the american people and it would be equally unsustainable items see a balanced budget in the future. wade: we cannot balance in the short term but we can start over the long term are proposed a plan that asks washington end to do what moms and dads to over the next two weeks to cut 1 penny from each dollar federal spending and do that once a year. 1 penny of of each dollar and 12 months than the second penny and the second year 1 penny by 1 penny we

will see about it -- revenues increased and between 60 and 10 years we will have zeroed out the deficit that we can get to work of the problem of the 50 year plan to eliminate the federal debt but it needs to be based on common sense that is the penney plan. >>moderator: now we're in moderator discussion. coons: that plan that was first proposed from the senator from wyoming is appealing in its simplicity but misses the point that we have steadily increasing cost facing the federal government. to take the baseline to cut from their misses the fact simply to meet our obligations to seniors and veterans and medicare and medicaid and social security that is more than one-third of all delawarians does not

just come from cutting from the baseline. >>moderator: sequestration talk about elephants and the unicorn bug to reach a deal and deficit reduction has left the automatic defense cuts. given the increasingly violent nature in syria should that be from the armed forces? >> yes. sequestration and talk of a chain saw to something that needed as scalpels washington had months and years to address spending problems but instead they reached a quick deal that the president was behind then complained about to beat our army with fewer troops than in 1940 and a navy smaller than 1915 as problems swirl around the world. there are cuts to be found in defense. everywhere. waste fraud and abuse throughout the government it

is easy but we have to do thinking to come up with real priorities for our nation today in this crisis and down the road into the future and we're not getting that out of washington. >>moderator: what about infrastructure? 495 was not caused by neglect to maintain but the civil engineers say the clock is ticking and freer on the verge of a huge infrastructure crisis of the nation's highways. will this day on the back burner? coons: i hope that we manage to get a bipartisan bill passed in the recent senate and we do agree we need to increase public investment and leverage private investment that a catch up on antiquated infrastructure but we are not getting there fast enough. but the central issue is the investments we need to make for america to be competitive again against china and that invest heavily in world-class modern infrastructure. united states needs to

invest in education, research and infrastructure to be competitive. wade: the only engineers sitting here i will remind the audience 2009 from $850 billion fund of the taxpayer money was authorized for a stimulus program with a focus on infrastructure. what happened to the $850 billion? we need new management not more of the same but taken the path. >>moderator: moving on to the next topic. talking about health care and let's move on to this topic. explain your position. wade: i started at the kitchen table of the small business it gives me the purpose -- a perspective to come up with solutions that work. in september of 2013 after 30 years of providing high-quality insurance to our employees at no cost i

received a cancellation notice i call my broker to see what is going on? it is obamacare. and the president told me if i liked my insurance i could keep it. they said the insurance industry is in chaos and you and many others are canceled. i hear this story around delaware it is not a benefit to those people. the result thousand policies canceled. speaking to an iron worker one week ago there were $2,400 a month now senator you could assign a partial waiver for your staff and you but still their needs a waiver. all of us need a waiver is a beast and it needs to be put down and his people today and tomorrow. obamacare needs to be repealed to bring back the market based insurance system and also to provide a

way for people who want insurance but don't have it to earn it by volunteer service. coons: that is a lot for one minute. go back to where we were before the affordable care act to remind went 90,000 residents had no insurance and those that did have health insurance through their employer only discovered it did not work when they really needed it. pre-existing conditions. those who survived cancer would be denied insurance as a reward. women would be discriminated with rates simply for being women and pregnancy is a pre-existing condition parents can give birth to a child only had a lifetime or an annual cap the insurance program that was so terrific before the affordable care akkad significant problems. there are challenges for small business i am working with the insurance commissioner to introduce

legislation to deal with the impacts on small-business. the larger goal to expanding access to high-quality health care it has made progress. >>moderator: about the neighbor health program people who have lost their jobs should obtain health insurance with the volunteer program for they would volunteer 20 or 30 hours per week. wade: is per month. but they threw leadership than talking to my colleagues you can knock on the door of the white house we have an idea that america wants. people who lost their jobs have not lost working skills. can you understand that? you still have bookkeeping skills you still have electrician skills every community has needs. so put the people that have those job skills to work in the community.

if they choose that's and after 20 or 30 hours per month we will pay their health insurance premium. it is not a low-cost it is free but it is voluntary. it allows us to get back to what we can afford. if obamacare was so good why did he ask for a waiver and then getting a car about for some? >>moderator: we want to time for discussion. coons: day untruths both about but members of congress we had to switch to buy our insurance for ourselves and our staff to the exchange i had the experience to go on line and burning of the frustrations of the initial enrollment period. the affordable care act enacted two years before i got there is not perfect but it has made significant unrealistic progress to a major goal with the insurance that many of us during work when we needed

to provide access to affordable insurance to those who do not have the previously. >>moderator: how can you approve -- improve says? >> one the senator that is the lead makes the bigger tax credit so they can continue providing health insurance with a minimum coverage requirements mean you have to provide broader and more robust coverage and you would have before. so to make them affordable is the key piece that we're still working health the details. i also join with senator pryor to make exemptions for religious organizations the data access the modern health care system i was disappointed the two republican co-sponsors walked away but i hope after the election if i am reelected i can work across the aisle on different ways

to deal with the part-time and full-time problem, the employer challenges and cost for small business. >>moderator: now we have the next topic this is about education. common core is under fire. even though it was initiated at the state level by the national governors' association it is seen as a precursor to what some view as a federal takeover of the public education system. some critics called it obama pour so how do you see that this could be argued it is on point the goal of common corps is to have the base line standard? coons: the baseline national standard for the skills people should get her upon completing high school, where the standard has been developed in a collaborative conversation with governors does not frighten me. what i fear from educators and manufacturers and

employers throughout the state there is a yearning for a clear road map for what it is people should be learning a different stages to measure skills and progress. this is not a washington mandate or a takeover of education but it is important to be attentive to that as the concern that we don't have a centralized natch -- national bureaucracy it is funded internet the state level. it is best to have a secretary of education and the union that represents most teachers have worked well to gather to implement significant changes i am optimistic as long as we keep importance of educating children and respecting teachers and still providing for their private sector the education that produces the skills we need we can keep making progress. calling, core is try to

sound like a cynical take on education something started at the state level. wade: of a bite to ask the senator was state level was it applied it is is national recipe to stage the same kid the same thing without distinguishing between florida or alaska or louisiana. we return them at home from the mood we did not have common core dash laid delays algebra from ninth grade. accusing the other countries are delaying algebra? bill gates is a brilliant man and a college dropout i would add but the most important take away is bill gates says his children to one of the most exclusive private schools on the west

coast and the school says we don't teach, court -- common core. >>moderator: you do not need to wake you can discuss so what education increases have you made for your family? care have your children attended school or your grand children as well? what is that landscape? . .

they want to do what they can to get out of the public school system they are disappointed with common core as they now understand it and that's taking place across delaware because it is a centralized system designed by washington and -- >> a poll that the diversity has done and has released today finds that they give mediocre grades to the school system of higher grades to the public school system. what would you do to ensure a good education for all children in delaware? wade: i proposed is very simple, equal opportunity universal vouchers. every parent has one chance to educate his children.

one chance. cost $14,000 a year to educate a child in the delaware public schools even under common core, a 10,000-dollar voucher available to every child allows them to have a full range of opportunities while my daughter has and the centers of children have. coons: what would i do to ensure equality and strengthen our schools? continue to invest in teachers as professionals and respect teaching as a professional. my mother and grandmother were teachers at different points in their career. they gave me an award for my leadership of the parent-teacher engagement and introduced to try to strengthen the investment on parent engagement centers and schools and what we are teaching in the schools whether it is in

the traditional high schools or in the charter schools or private schools we need to have a better sense of the skills are what their skills are that are needed in the modern workforce and make sure the parents are aware of the cost of higher education and making access to coverage more affordable and more equal. >> moderator: over to the next topic. mr. wade, last month a gallup poll released to the members of the ratings of congress and the approval rating is the lowest measured before the short-term elections and 74. republicans gained control of the senate the commentators can expect to see even more partisanship on capitol hill for the next two years great how do you plan to fulfill your campaign promises coons: i'm not going there to be the republican senator from delaware i tend to be the independent voice. my opponent voted with his party leadership 97% of the time and

that isn't being bipartisan that is being part of the log jam. i work as an engineer as anyone that has a solution, liberal, conservative senator, democrat, republican if it works we need commonsense common sense solutions and that's my promise to delaware. wade: i have a record talk about here. legislatively or with my classmates 13 of whom are republican and i was recently named the third most bipartisan senator. i introduced legislation with 35 members of the republican caucus. my opponent might cite a racing in terms of how many times they vote with my leader. we talked about confirming the judges and ambassadors and in some ways the vote that matters most will be the votes cast on the first day. will he be voting for mitch mcconnell?

i expect he will. will i be voting for the democratic caucus? i will because i stand by the values. dealing in the economy gap and investing in manufacturing and strengthening the economy. >> moderator: one thing that falls along party lines as birth control in the same court ruled that the hobby lobby could often out of providing the coverage to the employees for religious reasons. personally do you agree or disagree with the decision mr. coons? coons: i disagree. at the recent developments with the supreme court says and united in hobby lobby to extend to corporations first amendment rights that were previously understood as attention to real people is. it's not a family craft store is a multimillion dollar nationwide company and while i respect the strongly held religious views of those that own the company i think decisions about a woman's access to contraception should

be made in her dr.'s office, not in a corporate board room and i don't follow the logic of the supreme court in this case or citizens united where they insist -- wade: multi-single woman was denied because of that. it was a decision about freedom. it was a decision about freedom. it was about freedom and since you mentioned the first amendment money bring up the point that george will, one of the most respected columnist and columnists in the country that writes for the "washington post" named eve as an extremist for attending in the senate to redefine the first amendment of the constitution.

i joined them in supporting the constitutional amendment that would restore the balance of the citizens united on the campaign contributions. citizens united took out more than a century of precedent and has opened a floodgate to literally hundreds of millions of dollars of secret campaign contributions from corporations, labor unions and very wealthy individuals. to suggest that i'm an extremist trying to restore some balance and to get back to the place where the flood of campaign cash shouldn't be allowed to influence elections i don't think it's extreme. coons: >> moderator: you have raised $9 million in the past four or five years and i would like to ask the audience to raise their

hand -- >> moderator: we are accusing the audience. wade: i will use the tv audience raise your hand if you are $9 million better off and i think it is interesting that he brings up the cash and politics. coons: you exaggerate my status quite a bit. that is an inaccurate sizing of the public record. all of my decisions are available when and where they are unemployed and with citizens united made possible his millions of dollars of secret contributions where the public has no idea. >> moderator: okay we are going to move on to student questions at this point. that's the end of the first part. from the first student question if freshman political science major from the university of

delaware. >> in light of the white house recently launching the islamist campaign what can congress do to support the movement against assault and rape on college campuses? >> moderator: your answer? coons: it's important that the congress join campus leaders making the campus is safe for young women and young men to insist on accountability and transparency, to make sure the campus is often largely rely on federal funds whether grants for higher education or investments in research that is a liar by the law and investigate and deal responsible with sexual assault on campus. so this is an important initiative. wade: what to expand. i had a great opportunity to speak to an inspiring young woman. she was out there supporting the women that have to prostitute

themselves because they have no place to go. they live in the world to violence and fear if we are going to provide a safe summer for women let's make it everywhere, senator. that is a good question but with expanded everywhere. >> moderator: now we will go to the second stupid question on the question on the immigration reform and the question comes from the senior political science major at delaware state university. >> what is your review on immigration reform and what is going to have an elected into office lacks >> moderator: mr. wade, your response first. wade: i learned a great lesson by going to the border weeks ago. i had my boots in the ground with the sheriff's office and we had a broken border and its hurting people on both sides because we don't have effective border security has created a

vacuum and that is being created by the gulf and the data cartels that occur and everyone that crosses maybe hundreds and thousands of dollars were carried drugs that explains part of the flood that is touching so many homes and neighborhoods in delaware. we have to get realistic about that needs to be done first. coons: we have a border security issue that needs to be addressed and we work in a bipartisan way with senators like john mccain and colleagues in my party to introduce, amanda, strengthen and pass a broad bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform bill frist to the judiciary committee ended in

the senate of the united states and invests significantly in strengthening border security and nearly doubling the size of the border patrol also providing a pathway forward for the nearly 12 million people in the united states illegally that allows us to identify, contain and deport those who are dangerous and set in place those who are here and can pay the fine, learn english and go to the back of the line and this is a bipartisan compromise worthy of the continuing to advance. >> moderator: we are going to stick with this for a follow-up question and then go to mr. coons first. some of them are finding refuge in delaware. what can be done and what does that tell about the immigration policy? coons: we have situations in the law and the border and in the last couple of months the number of young children coming from the central american

countries where there's a huge amount of drug and gang violence has dropped precipitously partly because it would strengthen the border patrol and partly because we have invested in speeding up the immigration reviews so we are shifting out of those with legitimate asylum claims from those that need to be returned to their home country and partly because we have invested in educating their parents that were not guaranteed to stay here and that they do not have a free pass to citizenship for residency. what do they need to do? we need to respect and enforce the law that requires those that present legitimate asylum claims in the best spiritual traditions of the united states get a chance of being refugees and those that don't have legitimate asylum claims get heard and returned to the countries of origin. this is a difficult situation but one where i am proud that the united states has acted in keeping with its best traditions while still working to secure america. >> moderator: mr. wade? wade: the first player to 300 million americans who would like to be first in their own

lives the priority is to stop details of the border. the sheriff was with me and found it covered a piece of paper worth of the rio grande. there was a freshly printed note to the bank why is it being founded in texas because we have a broken border. it's time to get americans first. >> moderator: dispenses federal and local law enforcement and comes from michael a. business management

major. >> should the government provide military style police? wade: we don't want to militarize the police. they should be representing the best nature of those in society. the original meaning is to clean up the area and bit nicer to police the area. we don't need armored vehicles into some of them are out of the country are building a wall of separation, a wall of tension between people and their police forces. we do not militarize the police. coons: it's important that we understand the premise of the question. ferguson was a situation in missouri where the image of the police response to the protesters was one where they were seen to be aggressive and militarized. but we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. there's a long-standing

grantmaking surplus military equipment and providing it to local wall enforcement as someone as cochairs the caucus and has met with police chiefs up and down the state i can tell you some of that equipment has been a central to delaware safety at response to natural disasters. so in some communities where a humvee is provided it is used to evacuate super storms and the bearing down. is that over militarizing? i don't think so. i think what we need to do a separate out of that equipment that is uniquely military but probably shouldn't be provided to local police and that equipment which helps provide capacity to a stop pump to the crisis whether man-made or natural. >> let's stick with this and have a follow-up on this point. >> moderator: let's talk about the gun death in the united states. the study revealed they had more gun deaths than any other developed country in the world. what can we do to reduce gun violence and uh with his first

mr. coons. coons: i stand with law enforcement: for a stronger system of background checks making sure we don't allow those that are mentally ill or that have been agitated or who are intent on causing harm to others we have to balance the fundamental freedoms of the amendment which is an individual right with keeping our communities safe. nobody wants to take away the guns of those that have been personal protection or law abiding citizen. but we can and should do more to knock down straw purchases that allow those that are prevented from buying guns legally to give them a legally, to work strongly with local communities, to combat the things that lead to violent crime and to ensure that we are not allowing them to be in the hands of criminals as easily as we currently do. >> moderator: mr. wade? wade: i'm glad we share a respect for the second amendment. the tragic outbursts of violence we've seen around the country tidy and in most cases directly to the untreated into serious

mental illness. the problem is not the national rifle association or the second amendment. it's not lawful ownership of a firearm. the problem is we have too many people in this community and the communities across this country that are seriously mentally ill and they can't get the treatments to help them prevent harm to themselves into the community. it's a mental health issue and leadership issue and public health issue. >> moderator: the next question is from a junior environmental and energy policy major here at the university of delaware. and this is about the sea level rise. >> i was wondering if you could elaborate on the plan to mitigate the effect of the sea level rise. >> moderator: is the first response mr. wade. wade: i live in an old town called newcastle and they have expressed god made the world but

the dutch made holland and that was the first thing they did when they came to newcastle 300 years ago is david built to drain some of the swamps. the struggle by demand has with the rivers and the seacoast is never-ending. it's always been with us. as an engineer that needs to professionally follow the science and the data i remain a very informed but a very skeptical person in terms of man-made global warming driving the sea level. there is a study that's been used in i and i truly mean unfortunately by some people in delaware to a long people about the rise in the sea level. i've read that study and become clued to the sea level is rising off the coast of delaware but not off the coast of new york city. and i can't balance this has good science. coons: too much to respond.

god may have made the world climate is making it steadily changed. we experience something off the coast of delaware that is causing the land to go down at the same time the water is rising and that accounts for the distinction of what is happening off some of the northeastern coast and what's happening off the coast of delaware. comes like new castle, delaware moving up and down the street and is the elevation of the state in the country we will face significant impacts from climate change in the coming decades. i worked hard in the senate and my first two years to propose new ways to finance renewable and clean energy and ways to responsibly step up and deal on an international basis with the challenge to the future of the world presented by climate change. it's my hope that we can find a bipartisan path going forward but those who claim to be well-educated and well grounded scientists are still set takes over step takes over an area there is an overwhelming consensus are disappointed

because they stand as barriers in the way of progress. >> moderator: moving on -- wade: speed i would like to respond -- >> moderator: the interest of the rules i need to ask you to make that point in your closing statements mr. wade. i need to move on. i need to move on. it's out of respect to the rules we all agreed on. the question from ethanol's future comes from a biochemistry major at the university of delaware. >> you have the first response. >> i am very optimistic other forms where in number of companies are real leaders and will eventually replace gasoline although the scale is dramatically are in the most early stages of developing widescale production of things

like ethanol and there will be a long time before they can replace gasoline but i'm optimistic that plant-based rather than petroleum-based in the long-term fuel will be the most reliable and most sustainable source of fuel for the future. as the only engineer sitting here it will never happen. it outstrips our ability to raise corn. i believe in the energy policy includes all sources that they have to complete. washington can't pick winners and losers because it always gets them wrong. we have in abundance. we become the world's largest oil producer. at the starting wage, not the minimum but the starting age of north dakota is $15 an hour. this is what the economy does but we can't close our eyes to

the possibilities that the treasures lay the ground here in this country. i like pipe dreams but only in children's novels. >> we will move onto a stupid question at the university of delaware from the international relations major and the question is about fall into the college tuition rates. >> up a student at the university of delaware i am concerned with the rise in tuition rates and i was wondering your positions on how to cope with that. >> moderator: mr. wade you have to first response. wade: wade: we need to ask the administration colleges across the country don't understand that someone's money is being charged for the tuition. they have allowed the costs to rise and it's a reaction to people desperately trying to find a path forward in their lives because the lack of

blue-collar jobs and they are living to pay anything to get that degree but unfortunately too many people graduate not only this school but others unable to find a job much different than they would have gotten coming out of high school but burdened with the debt we need to talk to our leaders in academia and ask them to to do a little bit more with a little bit less. coons: we need to strengthen the partnership and providing funding for higher education. as the federal government continues its historical goal providing the programs billions of dollars every year to make higher education affordable, states across the country have actually receded in terms of their support for higher education so we have a difficult situation where conditions rise. the amount of aid for the state universities like this one continue to drop and the cost of the higher education and its importance in the economy only go up. i've cosponsored legislation that would give access to lower interest rates come a federally

subsidized or guaranteed loans and it would take to frankly penalize those for-profit colleges which are not doing their best interest of the students. there's more we should do to address the rate of the tuition but frankly sustaining the federal global providing access to affordable quality education is my first priority. >> moderator: we have issues we would like to follow-up on but we are at the point now for closing statements. each of you will have one minute for a closing statement and we begin with you, kevin wade. you have the first. wade: thank you for the questions i enjoyed it. the problem today in america is that the leaders in washington no longer be leaving us. but we be leaving each other and all of us together will see that we get our way through this most dangerous disturbing time that we are in with ebola and the crisis.

i climbed right here in delaware. every good thing in my life happened because the client. i spent 40 years of manufacturing to the board room. i know how to create high wage blue-collar jobs and i know we need to get parents the choice in education and that is a voucher i know we need to secure the border. i know how real the threat of ebola is and that islamist terrorists there and here and i know that we need experienced leadership in washington. on election day send the message we are going to set things right. we won't live in fear and we won't be deceived. god bless all of you and may god save the united states of america. coons: thanks for everyone who watched and listened. tonight i hope you learned a bit more about my vision for delaware and my record of service i.e. i'm seeking the

first full term. i i'd be leaving the workers and i believe that we can invent and grow things and make them in the state again. i belief everyone deserves the same opportunity to succeed which means making sure that more kids get to college and can't afford it when they get there. it's not easy to get things done in washington but when i'm able to break through the gridlock and help the volunteer service get relief in the healthcare wall or secure funding to safety advocacy centers i know that i'm making a difference and in the lives of people i care about. the only way we are going to get things done his work together. if i'm fortunate to earn your vote on november 4 i will keep working to find common grounds, reach across the aisle and get things done for this great state of ours. >> moderator: thank you to lindsey and everyone for joining at the table earlier. also to the audience.

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leading by two percentage points. that is within the 2.3% margin of error. we will have that live at 8 p.m. eastern on c-span. today's house hearing on evil with thomas friedman director of the cdc and doctor anthony fauci. they testified before the house subcommittee on the u.s. response to the ebola outbreak and we have that at 9 p.m. eastern also on c-span.

wisconsin is known because we make the most and the best cheese. we have the homestead where each farm family makes cheese and was recognized as we had an ideal environment and cheese was a way to take the product before the refrigeration that only lasted three days up to three days if you make the cheese into the can last a decade. this was the late 1880s when the industry got started in wisconsin. generally far worse in the